From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 00:03:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12030 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:03:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g015Xgd01094; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g015X1Z28207; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g015WKZ28069 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.f.20721f53 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:32:56 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/21/01 9:30:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I just got home from the very best movie I've ever seen. Really. Lord of the Rings is everything that I personally could want it to be. It was so worth waiting for, and we did wait for a very long time. The cinematography, the casting, the music, everything about this movie was complete magic in my eyes. The costumes were gorgeous, and absolutely right on for each of the characters. Yes, this is just my opinion, and someone else may see something different, but I can honestly say that this is one movie that delivered far above what I expected. Now, if I can just find out how to move to the Shire...... and get me one of those really neat hobbit holes with a round door! Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA >> Yes, I found myself feeling "enchanted," like a spell had actually be woven upon me. I've seen it twice now, and am waiting for fiance' to get another day off to see it a third. Having read the books as a little girl, I'd never thought a human could play Frodo the way I'd fleshed him out in my mind --not just his looks, but his emotions. I was wrong. Thank you, Peter Jackson, for disproving many "impossibilities." Anyway, how does this all relate to costume? In the Sci-Fi Channel special on LOTR, they show Liv Tyler as Arwen in a dress that had black and a deep red or maybe cranberry color. That must be in a later movie, though, since I never saw it in Fellowship. Lucky I taped the special! In any case, I've decided to make the dress for my Maid of Honour, since my wedding will be renny/fantasy and those are perfect colors for her. Also, she admires that actress, and fell in love with the elves (she's new to the genre) to the point she's decided to learn to speak elven. I'm making it a surprise. :) --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 00:46:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12091 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:46:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016Gqd03026; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:16:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016G2Z06325; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016FBZ06155 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.14.202d84d2 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:15:41 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <14.202d84d2.2962ae0d@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Margo's LOTR commentary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:15:41 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/01 2:05:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << No character developement, no motivation except a general feeling that Evil is a bad thing. An endless travelogue of interesting settings, populated by Things that Want to Kill You. Swordfights. More pretty scenery, more Things That want To Kill You. Another swordfight. More scenery....and surprise, here come some Things That want To Kill You. And on and on, until the three hours are up, fade out, and wait till next year when we'll do the whole media circus again. >> But Margo, many of the characters of the Fellowship did not get developed until the 2nd book. It takes time travelling together for each character's qualities to come out, much like it does with coworkers who later become true friends. Also, most of the Fellowship characters will change over time. I do not think it a spoiler to say here that Gimli and Legolas eventually throw off their racial prejudices to become best friends. You also come to know The Enemy better over the course of the trilogy. Tolkien doesn't give you all the info at the beginning because he doesn't want you to feel comfortable with them; humans are much more afraid of the unknown. Of course, you need lot like it because I say so, but I just wanted you to know the next movie will NOT simply be a repeat of the first. I know this from the books, which I got through quite happily. I admit they start very slow. The pace picks up at Weathertop, though, and pretty much becomes a page-turner from there (IMHO). --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 00:48:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12099 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:48:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016Jgd03216; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:19:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016J1Z07005; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016IcZ06924 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:18:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.c6.4403256 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: elvish Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:19:11 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/01 2:05:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << What is that "Elvish" from the movie, please? Sindarin or Quenya? (Only for hard core Tolkien fans.) >> Don't know yet, but "The Languages of Tolkien" is being shipped to me as we speak... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12131 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016Vfd03737; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:31:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016V0Z09505; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016UkZ09469 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:30:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 22:31:21 -0800 Received: from 203.56.239.111 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 06:31:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.56.239.111] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2002 06:31:21.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED526A90:01C1928D] Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 17:01:21 +1030 Status: RO





Happy New Year!!!

I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?

My name is Rebecca Anderson and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I started costuming less than 2 yrs ago. I've always been interested in history, then about 2 yrs ago I joined a historical re-enactment group and have been a costuming nut eversince.

 

Rebecca Anderson

aka Lady Adele Anders

P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics and I'm totaly stumped.


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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:10:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12157 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:10:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016ffd04012; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016f0Z11256; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016e5Z11101 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9A82850268; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 00:39:36 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c1928e$95249ae0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: elvish X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:36:00 -0500 Status: RO On National Geographic they said the language was made up from a small community that spoke a variation of Finnish. If I remember correctly the community is in rural Russia. The language is not 100% the same, but is close to this community. The language in the community is only spoken by the elders. This community while not exist for very long. All the citizens are very old. The younger generations moved off into the modern world. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12161 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016g5d04049; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016fOZ11354; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016eVZ11180 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.94.1f2a8308 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:41:03 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <94.1f2a8308.2962b3fe@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Maura's LOTR commentary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:41:02 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/29/01 7:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I don't think Boromir's tunic is beaded. I think it's embroidered, but the design would lend itself well to beads. >> I'm hoping to see it a 3rd time, but I did think those were beads on the purple short sleeves. It would make sense, since he's the son of the acting leader of Gondor and quite wealthy. Did you also notice his face was clean compared to Aragorn's in his final scene-- subtle, but a lovely way to contrast the nobleman to the ranger. <> Yes! 50 meters! And my fiance' wants me to make him that costume! The price may just kill me. Anyone know where I can get black guaze real cheap? Also, it seemed to me that I'd have to make it shorter if he won't be mounted, since there'd be cloth trailing all over the floor. I also make carved boiled leather armor, so he wants me to replicate the plate armor of the King of the Nazgul. (I do chainmail too sometimes.) I'm wondering what other small requests he'll be making of me...LOL As for the hobbit bodices, I figured they were just going for a wenchy look, to suggest hedonism. I do like Maggie's theory though about expanding waist sizes. I mean, that's why the style is so popular at renfairs, no? <> Now I have to go again just to look at Galdriel's sleeves! --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12193 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:23:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g016sgd04774; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016s0Z14006; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g016rpZ13970 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p67-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.67]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA10528 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:54:27 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p67-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.67] claimed to be user Message-ID: <000c01c19290$53b066a0$43d4adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <177.19d150f.2962809c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:48:29 +1300 Status: RO > Another uninformed guess -- Ngaio Marsh's novels sometimes include phrases of > Maori, and the phrases I can recall certainly resemble the lines from the end > credits. I suspect it is Maori, but have no idea what it would mean. Does anyone remember the phrases? I might be anble to hazard a guess, especially if it's thanks to say local tribes for use of land etc.. it's not on the official sites or anyone fast enough to get it on a personal site? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12260 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017Kgd05866; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017K1Z19181; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017J2Z18994 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.11c.a05c0d9 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:19:26 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <11c.a05c0d9.2962bcfd@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cat's LOTR commentary Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:19:25 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Boromir: - Maroon under tunic has metal coiled threadwork embroidery on the collar and on the sleeves. >> Ah, like in India! Yes, I would have misktaken that for beads. And thanks for the screensaver suggestion! Because I don't use screensavers, I never would have thought to go there for costume pics. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 01:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12269 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017Ngd05986; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017N1Z19658; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017MpZ19615 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:22:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.194.91b1b3 (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:23:29 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <194.91b1b3.2962bdf1@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Galadriel's dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:23:29 EST Status: RO I guess I do need to watch it again, since I did not think Galadriel was wearing lace at all. To me, the outer layer looked like a burnout that you'd find in the special occasion dept of a fabric store. Burnouts are usually not actually burned nowadays, but the look of sheerness between solid shapes is still called that. Curious now... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 02:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14154 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017bgd06424; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:37:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017b0Z22102; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017aWZ22005 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.79.20aeba5d (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:37:01 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <79.20aeba5d.2962c11c@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:37:00 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 02:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30347 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:26:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g017vgd06883; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017v1Z25435; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g017uMZ25277 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:56:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.116.9fd4d0c (18555) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:56:53 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <116.9fd4d0c.2962c5c4@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: maori? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:56:52 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:40:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I didn't stay for the end credits or else could tell you what it said in maori (if it was). I'm going to see the movie again before I make any other comments. >> Yes, please Sharon! We all can't wait to hear what will most likely be just a "Thanks to John Doe for everything." Sadly, I really do want to know... --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 02:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07922 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0189gd07276; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:09:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01891Z27422; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01880Z27249 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.14f.6935bdc (25917) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:08:35 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.6935bdc.2962c882@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: more LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:08:34 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/31/01 2:40:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << TV serials are too choppy for me (commercial breaks -- ack, ptui!), I never see every episode, and they cost a fortune on video tape. I'd have loved a longer movie, with an intermission -- more time in Lothlorien to show the inner temptations and the gifts would have helped, and the timeline from BagEnd to Bree was off, somehow. A friend used to work in a movie theatre -- she said that movies have to be 3 hours and 45 minutes to get an intermission. >> The good news is, we'll likely get to see more scenes when it comes out on DVD. They shot more footage than the 3-hr limit allowed. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 03:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01703 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:10:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g018ehd08133; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:40:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g018e1Z02341; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (wellington.concentric.net [207.155.252.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g018dLZ02239 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 01:39:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-luy-vty2.as.wcom.net [216.193.20.2]) by wellington.cnchost.com id DAA26679; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:39:59 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200112311902.fBVJ2fZ07143@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Details Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:36:53 -0800 Status: RO Quoting and answering questions from a number of folks Hobbit Females - Did find the pointy front in the front of just one bodice. It was very shallow… and by the way the bodice bows out at the waist, I’ll guess pollyboning was used. Backs and sides look solidly interfaced and probably has enough boning to hold the seams solid. The bust shapes are round and covered by the square necked bodices. All are square necked. Guess on pattern. Probably darts, partially because the heaving interfacing and bias binding to finish the edges are all theatrical tricks I used to use. (Amazing the details you can see w/ a jeweler's loop! ) - Not all the women have bodices, just the close up ones. The bib apron is used on a few. (Though the bib apron is also used with people w/ bodices.) - Fabrics: nothing is matching from the photos I checked (though I think I’ ll catch the movie again). Some times they use two shades of blue, one underskirt one bodice. I think that since the apron is so fully gathered, on some it almost looks like the top skirt. Hobbit Males: <> Yes, and pockets and waist are also placed high. This also changes how hobbits stand. It’s off kilter just enough our ‘eye’ notices. Galadriel's white dress: << 2 photo's of Galadriel's white dress the *same* dress?>> Both dress are beaded. Looked at all the photos, also beaded. Necklines are different, given how expensive that beading is, it might be the same dress modified. Pattern looks like it “might” be the same. Can’t tell. To muddy the water, here’s another eleven dress. The neckline matches, but I’m not sure the sleeves are the right pattern. Lighting makes it impossible to identify the colors. Anyone got any clues which dress this is if the other beaded dresses match?????? Questionable: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2301 Old links: http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2143 http://www.ringfan.com/~mbass/www.tolkienmovies.com/images/characters/imladr is-galadriel.jpg. -- easy way to look at detailing on the dress if you don’t have Photoshop. Copy and paste the picture into a Word document and then increase the magnification to 200% or 300%. Just FYI, I'm going though the Casa Loma pictures and pulling out all the costume ones I can. I'll have the links as labeled as I can within a week. (This is fun, if hard on the eyes.) This just proves.. never give me a week off... I find new obsessions. Happy New Year! -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 07:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28955 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:14:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01CeOd19405; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:40:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01CdaZ06272; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01CZGZ05519 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:35:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16LO95-000PeW-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:35:56 +0000 Message-ID: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions In-Reply-To: <018801c1910d$70ea7320$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:28:44 +0000 Status: RO Are these people related to wine critics? "A multicultural red" ..." a hueful neutral" Do you think we'll be able to tell them from western imperialist red and light grey? Jean >Overall, Color Directions for 2002 are fresh and clean, >yet the colors are fascinatingly adaptable. Hues are ambiguous >with mixed undertones that allow them to cross color families >without being wholly defined by one. > >The 2002 Consumer Color Directions Forecast includes: > >Rosa Roja: A multicultural, non-synthetic red with a strong >Latin influence. A romantic red that comes alive for both men >and women. > >Langostino: >Bridges orange, pink and red, yet it's softened and veiled. > > >Tiger Lily: A complex and multidimensional orange combining >the vibrant florals of nature with the satisfying glow of a quiet fire. > > >Tangy: A natural, yet clear orange. > > >Eureka: A cool yellow drawing its influence from Morocco and >Vietnam. It's supernatural and strong, yet provides an energized >contentment. > > >Pineapple: A pale, luminescent yellow with organic overtones. >It bridges spring into winter with a softness that is almost a >neutral, but is able to maintain its color placement through >a sense of light. > > >Lemoncello: The hybridization of nature and technology into >a sophisticated yellow, with a calming green influence. > > >Gingko: The botanical green of dried grasslands, bridging the >fresh excitement from mustard greens with the relaxing feel >of a forest's treasured mosses. > > >Mesa Verde: The return of true green, heralding a move away >from recent acidity lime-greens. Strongly influenced by an >undertone of blue, it is natural and refreshing. > > >Oxygen: A blue sky as seen through glass block. >A breath of fresh air representing a silver influence on aquatic blues. > > >Blue Bayou: The shift of classic navy toward an updated >techno-version of blue with a metallic, watery sheen. > >Fathom: A key bridge of green into blue, it addresses the >continuation and evolution of teals inspired by blue. >Its sophisticated coloration completes the mind's need for peace >and serenity. > > >Essence of Lilac: An extreme, pale botanical blue with a hint of >lilac. It supports the desire for translucency across all market >segments. > > >Moon Shadow: Provides a respite from technology and >reflects our fascination with atmospheric grays. >A hueful neutral that allows other colors to retain their >individual appeal. > > >Chocolate Raisin: With its blending of brown into black, >this saturated hue has a strong horticultural influence. >It is complex, captivating and elegant in its richness. > > >Sycamore: The evolution of a classic neutral brown. >Edgy but luxurious. > > -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 07:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29008 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 07:39:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01DAGd24042; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:10:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01D9XZ11280; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01D5MZ10670 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:05:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.251]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020101130602.IRLU11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:06:02 +0100 Message-ID: <3C31B45C.3030905@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [lace] Gold lace in Costume Institute Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:06:36 +0100 Status: RO I got this news from the lace list. Some of you might be interrested. I wish i could go and have a look! Bjarne Dmt11home@aol.com wrote: > There is an exhibit at the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan > Museum of Art right now called Extreme Fashion. While the exhibit is > interesting in its own right, the most interesting part to me was an > Elizabethan era collar. It is a very transparent muslin, flat and > square shaped, with gold bobbin lace around it. There is very little > gold bobbin lace left because people recovered the gold by > "drizzling", as I understand it. The collar is so nicely lit that the > gold really stands out and you have a good idea of how splendid it > must have looked. Also interesting, is that you can peer behind it to > see the "supportasse" behind it. I was surprised at how pretty this > support was. Gunnel, the lace expert, pointed out that the support > would have been fully visable from the back since it made the collar > stand straight up. > Devon -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 08:07:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29073 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:06:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Dbld24810; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:37:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Db0Z15414; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20301.mail.yahoo.com (web20301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g01DX0Z14895 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:33:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020101133340.31681.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.98.177] by web20301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 05:33:40 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:33:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Anderson wrote: So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume Well, for me it was enlightened self-interest. I was, until recently, a 300-lb. singer/harper.* Since my field is Very Early Music (pre-1400) I like to perform in costume and couldn't find anything to fit me! Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" *now I'm a 210-lb. singer/harper! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 08:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29084 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Dhgd24956; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:43:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Dh0Z16259; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Db0Z15415 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01046 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p12.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.140]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA09778 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:37:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201011337.IAA09778@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] redingote In-Reply-To: <3C2FED56.9010009@accessus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 08:33:45 -0500 Status: RO My advice would be to get the Janice Ryan patterns for this period: http://www.jpryan.com/ Her patterns are well-drafted and have clear instructions. When I'm making clothes for my hubby or for friends, I ask them to buy these patterns as a base from which I can work. The fall-front breeches, men's waistcoat (it says 1750s, but would work fine for 1740s as well), and 1750s coat (ditto) would be a good set of patterns to buy. If I had to change one thing to back-date the patterns, I'd cut the coat fronts in a straight line, rather than cut slightly back from the waistline to the hem; that's an easy enough alteration to make. A close second for 18th c. clothing would be Mill Farm patterns from Burnley and Trowbridge, but I can't find that catalog and their web site seems to be perpetually under construction, so I can't suggest any specific patterns. Cheers, Mara At 10:45 PM 12/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: >A couple of my friends and I are doing costumes for Costume Con in 2003. > The gentleman involved is not confident enough to draft his own >pattern, so he wants to know what commercially available pattern is the >most accurate, easiest to use, etc. The ones he is familiar with are: >1. Richard the Thread: http://www.richardthethread.com/patterns.html >(the Restoration one) >2. the ones on this site: http://www.harriets.com/Colonialmen.htm > >Could you let me know if either of these are any good, or if there are >others he should consider instead? He is looking for a 1740's look (to >match his wife's outfit). Thanks. > >Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 09:49:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29599 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:49:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01FJhd29225; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01FJ0Z02281; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01FFmZ01226 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m27.in-tch.com [216.166.191.27]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g01F5Jb22868 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:05:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 08:20:38 -0700 Status: RO Hi, and welcome.... I live in Missoula, MT (USA), and have "made" things since I was too little to speak in complete sentences, so the sewing and embroidery are just part of me. I got into costuming because it was my job --seriously, I worked for a couple of years in a costume shop for my work-study job in college. I got a taste of historical-ish stuff then, but didn't get into it, really, until, like you, I joined a group (the SCA in my case), and then I went nuts. This was all well over a decade ago, and now my fabric/books/trim stash threatens to take over the house. ;-P The single thing I like most about this list, besides the amazing variety of people, is all of our divergent interests, which have really enlarged my perspective on clothing and textiles in the time I've been on the list. (since I don't say it nearly often enough, thanks everybody ) While I haven't actually ever made a gable headdress, you can find some links to ideas/instructions on Drea's website: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/general.html Have fun..... Sue Rebecca Anderson wrote: > > Happy New Year!!! > > I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that > there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are > you all from and why are you interested in historical costume? > > My name is Rebecca Anderson and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I > started costuming less than 2 yrs ago. I've always been interested in > history, then about 2 yrs ago I joined a historical re-enactment group > and have been a costuming nut eversince. > > > > Rebecca Anderson > > aka Lady Adele Anders > > P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot > of pics and I'm totaly stumped. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 10:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30085 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:54:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01GPid02582; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:25:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01GP0Z15014; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01GNkZ14675 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.5a.446b933 (4185) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5a.446b933.29633cb3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:24:19 EST Status: RO --part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Riverdale, Maryland, a suburb of Washington DC. Always been interested clothes--made paper dolls and doll clothes as a child. Majored in home economics in college. Made many of my own clothes through the years. Got into various things such as lingerie and active wear. (I still have boxes of fabric from these phases!) Went to the University of Maryland for a Ph.D. in historic costume and textiles. (Sorry for those of you who are interested in advanced study--the program is now defunct.) Worked in some area theater costume shops but at the peon level, so I didn't get to do any design, which is what I really enjoy. Then fell into a job at an early 19th century historic house museum, where I finally, after 5 years, have a full-time, professional position. My main responsibility is programming, and living history is always popular, so I have gotten into early 19th century costume. I'm a member of the Costume Society of America and have presented papers and posters based on my research. My husband is a square dance caller, and I still make square dance clothes, too, although I have given up on daywear. When I figure in my time, I can't make a pair of lined wool slacks for $30, which I paid for a pair yesterday. For the square dance attire, I've developed what I call a template--use the same pattern all the time with minor variations and easy fit and construction--no zippers and I serge all the seams I can. One thing that early 19th century and square dance clothes have in common is that I get to play with trims, which I dearly love to do. Ann Wass --part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Riverdale, Maryland, a suburb of Washington DC.  Always been interested clothes--made paper dolls and doll clothes as a child.  Majored in home economics in college.  Made many of my own clothes through the years.  Got into various things such as lingerie and active wear.  (I still have boxes of fabric from these phases!)  Went to the University of Maryland for a Ph.D. in historic costume and textiles.  (Sorry for those of you who are interested in advanced study--the program is now defunct.)  Worked in some area theater costume shops but at the peon level, so I didn't get to do any design, which is what I really enjoy.  Then fell into a job at an early 19th century historic house museum, where I finally, after 5 years, have a full-time, professional position.  My main responsibility is programming, and living history is always p! opular, so I have gotten into early 19th century costume.  I'm a member of the Costume Society of America and have presented papers and posters based on my research.
My husband is a square dance caller, and I still make square dance clothes, too, although I have given up on daywear.  When I figure in my time, I can't make a pair of lined wool slacks for $30, which I paid for a pair yesterday. 
For the square dance attire, I've developed what I call a template--use the same pattern all the time with minor variations and easy fit and construction--no zippers and I serge all the seams I can.
One thing that early 19th century and square dance clothes have in common is that I get to play with trims, which I dearly love to do.
Ann Wass --part1_5a.446b933.29633cb3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 12:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30650 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:59:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01IUjd09418; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:30:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01IU0Z08807; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01IPnZ08044 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p103.directcon.net [209.79.209.152]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17767 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:25:54 -0800 Message-Id: <200201011825.KAA17767@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR - Rivendell (artists) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:25:54 -0800 Status: RO At 02:47 PM 12/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Ah thanks, from the discussion I thought maybe they were con artists. my >mistake. Well, Kincade is something of a con artist, in that he's managed to convince so many people that his work is Art....Oh! You meant SCIENCE FICTION CONVENTION artist! Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 15:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31277 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:45:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01LGSd21412; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:16:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01LFYZ11036; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:15:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01LCaZ10397 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0897.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.135]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g01LDHe96068 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:13:18 -0500 Message-ID: <00d901c19309$bedc9380$8755fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:17:39 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year!!! I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that = there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you = all from and why are you interested in historical costume? Hi! I'm Moira, and I live in sunny Florida, USA. I've been = interested in cultures, languages and costumes for as long as I can = remember, and have been trying to do it myself since early 1994 when I = joined a group called the SCA and realized I couldn't afford to buy = garb/costumes for the (then) 4 of us, but knew how to sew. Now it's 6 = of us, and my almost 4 year old is a garbhorse. I'm presently trying to = come up with something beautiful but practical for being in a wheelchair = and a herald.;-} Yours In Service to the Dream, Moira bean Eoin (Heather modernly) ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

Happy New Year!!!

I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?

Hi!  I'm Moira, and I live in sunny Florida, USA.  I've been interested in cultures, languages and costumes for as long as I can remember, and have been trying to do it myself since early 1994 when I joined a group called the SCA and realized I couldn't afford to buy garb/costumes for the (then) 4 of us, but knew how to sew.  Now it's 6 of us, and my almost 4 year old is a garbhorse.  I'm presently trying to come up with something beautiful but practical for being in = a wheelchair and a herald.;-}

Yours In Service to the = Dream,

Moira bean Eoin (Heather modernly)

------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C192DF.D4F9FD80-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 17:13:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31598 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Mijd27024; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Mi0Z29857; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Mf8Z29288 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g01MeLr09595 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:40:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020101144107.01799bf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Maura's LOTR commentary In-Reply-To: <94.1f2a8308.2962b3fe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:48:16 -0800 Status: RO I do like Maggie's theory though about expanding waist >sizes. I mean, that's why the style is so popular at renfairs, no? No. There they just do it to look wenchy, and because it's easy to wear. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 17:15:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31606 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Mkfd27219; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:46:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01MjvZ00569; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:45:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01MfBZ29305 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g01MeJr09592 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:40:19 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020101105737.01795ba0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Tudor hood Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:27:10 -0800 Status: RO P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics and I'm totaly stumped. I started with a square-backed linen under-cap which tied under my chin, like in a Holbein drawing I saw. Everything else got fastened to this. I added a "turban" made of a two-inch strip of striped taffeta crossed over in the front (visible in the paintings). Then I added the gable part, which was a decorated two-inch strip lined with something stiff. I did later-period, so I pinned the lappets up after I made them. In the back of the gable I put a square-backed velveteen part like the under-cap has but with two tails so I could do that 'whelk shell' wrap over the top with one of them. As I said, all the hood part got pinned to the under-cap, which was securely tied to my head. But the fit was so good (finally) that I almost didn't need to pin anything. Look into Holbein drawings. There's one of the front and the back of the same lady, and that was very instructive. But my standard advice is to play with muslin/calico or paper till you get it looking right, then make a real one. (I've been doing costuming so long that I can sort of detach myself from the glitz and look at the topology of what I am seeing, which helps.) Use a Styrofoam wig stand, so you can pin the parts to it. > > I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there > are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from > and why are you interested in historical costume? I live in California near San Francisco, a part of the USA which has lots of costumery going on for various reasons. As for why I am interested, I liked to create costumes from a dress-up box when I was a kid, so my mother gave me my first costume book when I was 8. > > My name is Rebecca Anderson and I live in Adelaide, South Australia. I > started costuming less than 2 yrs ago. I've always been interested in > history, then about 2 yrs ago I joined a historical re-enactment group and > have been a costuming nut eversince. I spent 3 days in Adelaide, on an SCA trip I did in the early 80's. I remember being overflown by a flock of wild budgies, and I remember brush fences and Stobie poles. Nowadays my morris side does a dance called 'South Australia', and I'm the only one of us who's actually been there. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 17:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31667 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:33:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01N4jd28651; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:04:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01N40Z04838; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01N2ZZ04556 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:02:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPA81H00.O5B for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:03:17 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c19290$53b066a0$43d4adcb@user> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:59:59 -0800 Status: RO I've been looking on vcarious fan sites and can't find any mention. But they do say that Maori shamen (or whatever the correct term is) blessed the various shooting sites, so it may be safe to say it's either a thank you or a blessing of some kind. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of michaela > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 10:48 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again > > > > Another uninformed guess -- Ngaio Marsh's novels sometimes include phrases > of > > Maori, and the phrases I can recall certainly resemble the lines from the > end > credits. I suspect it is Maori, but have no idea what it would mean. > > Does anyone remember the phrases? I might be anble to hazard a guess, > especially if it's thanks to say local tribes for use of land etc.. it's not > on the official sites or anyone fast enough to get it on a personal site? > > michaela > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 18:16:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31792 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:16:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g01Nkkd02176; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01Nk1Z12966; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01NjEZ12856 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id 7.141.73b401b (3853) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:43:10 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <141.73b401b.2963a38e@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Alix's dress questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:43:10 EST Status: RO <> Alix, This style would have laced in the back only. Think about it, if you do the belting as pictured then side lacing would clutter the image. As for underarm gores, if this dress is like the 10-gore I am thinking it is, then the side gores go all the way up to the underarm so that you don't need separate triangular gores in the armpits. A historical 10-gore would indeed have a waist-high gore in front too, but I think you could skip that if you are doing renny-fantasy and prefer the smooth front look. The train I'd recommend as a semi-circle (1/3 to 1/2 a circle with a diameter equal to the width of the dress at the hemline) which will make it come down much longer than the front hem which is only slightly curved. The sleeves would prbably be easiest for a beginner done as tubes for the upper arm stitched to separate lower sleeves. (Trim will cover the seam.) I really can't think how to describe the shape of the lower sleeves... But for the upper sleeves: Measure the circumference of the top of your arm at the underarm arm and again above the elbow. Measure the length of your arm between those circumferences. Mapped out on your scrap material or pattern paper, this should give you a slightly trapezoidal shape. Now measure the hieght difference from your underarm to your shoulder top -- about 5 inches for medium arms. Find the center of the top of the trapezoid and draw a mark directly above it the number of inches you just measured. Now draw a gentle arc that connects the right point of the top of the trapezoid to the center dot to the opposite trap corner. (Your seam will be under your arm when sewn together.) On the fitted undersleeves... Although they were probably a separate fitted smock/underdress, you could easily do mock-sleeves sewn inside the bottom of your upper arm tubes to save material. It'd be a bit cooler for summerwear. I'm not a silk expert, since I'm more of a brocade and velvet fiend, but some sort of silk would look delicious on this dress I think. And green is always a good choice. :) On lacing, you'll want to poke holes through the material with an awl (available at most fabric stores in the notions dept). The awl moves the threads aside instead of cutting them, which means little fraying of your material at the eyelet. I also suggest fusing a strip of interfacing to the inside of the silk where the holes will be, to reinforce it. Grommets with washers are better than eyelets, cuz they don't rip out often. Make holes about every inch on one side, then do the same on the other except start your row 1/2 an inch down from where you did on the first side. That will set your holes for spiral lacing, which simply means lacing a single cord in a zigzag down both sides. Knot one end to keep it in place, then slip on the dress and tighten. Then tie off the other end. Pic below (Drea's maybe?), though it doesn't show how the eyelets should be offset: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lizpics/lacing/splacing.jpg The false braids would look wonderful with gold cord or maybe green ribbon to match your dress braided in. Hope this helps, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 18:34:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31844 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:34:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0204qd03513; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:04:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02040Z16979; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g01NxEZ15666 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 15305625 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 19:05:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:59:50 -0500 Status: RO I took Ben's first class and LOVED it. Wonderful info! I haven't been able to make anything from it yet except a pair of small brooches, but am itching to get started- on the jewelry, at least as much as the clothing. I loved the wealth of pictures! I'd love to sign up for the next one but just can't spare the time again so soon after the first. I'm hoping it'll be offered again, though.... -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 19:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31987 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:22:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g020qkd06482; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:52:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g020q0Z27331; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g020kkZ26348 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:46:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.177.1a10763 (3853) for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <177.1a10763.2963b282@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: how I got into historical costuming... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:46:58 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/1/02 3:42:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Happy New Year!!! I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?>> My Elizabethan name is Gillian Tedcastle, and I live in Boston. I sewed the doll pillow that came with Simplicity sewing machines in the 80's, but when all the threads pulled right out I decided sewing wasn't for me, hehe. I didn't know to backstitch or knot back then. Today, I am a seamstess. So how did that happen? Well, I went off to college, and in a moment of boredom I decided to go to a meeting of the Medieval Guilde-- a club on campus. That was 8 years ago. I'd always been a reader of fantasy, and loved tales of knights, etc. I ended up returning for more meetings, until the president announced an event was coming up and we had to "make" garb for it. Me?! Sew?! But she held some workshops and brought her sewing machine for all to use, and I eventually made the most horrid piece of costuming ever. I switched colleges after that, but my interest in sewing period garb continued. After much practice, and learning sewing techniques--I highly recommend the "Vogue Sewing Book" -- I began to sell my creations at local LARPs. I now do corsetry, modern gothic design, and renny garb. I am still learning about historical patterns, so most of my comissions and sales to date are Dark Age or Renaissance-inspired fantasy. <> Hello Rebecca! And welcome to our lil list of obsessors. *grin* <> Well, below is a site for period headress of the same time period. No gable hood yet, though. Simplicity has a pattern including a gable hood, but I doubt it's accurate. Perhaps you could combine the French hood by McMasters with the Simplicity pattern # 9929, since I do know the french evolved from the earlier gable. But if Simplicity tells ya to use cardboard, don't. Use buckram over a wire frame for historical accuracy, or plastic canvas for costume that won't get ruined in rain. http://pweb.jps.net/~patterns/patterns.html Incidentally, Simplicity has also come out with a pattern group inspired by Maulin Rouge = # 9899 Happy New Years! Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 20:15:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32144 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:15:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g021kld10390; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:46:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g021k1Z10143; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g021fmZ09288 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:41:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.138.71]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020102014225.IWCY13869.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:42:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3C326668.626A1991@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:46:16 -0500 Status: RO --------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Happy New Year!!!I've been lurking on the list for some time now and > I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for > curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in > historical costume? > > Welcome and Hello! I'm going to come out of 'lurk and comment briefly' mode to pipe in my reasons why..... To introduce myself, my name is Crissy Brillant. I started sewing as soon as I was old enough to pick up a needle. My earliest costume memory is of my mother sewing ALL the costumes for our church's production of Jesus Christ Superstar when I was 5yrs old. I fell in love with all the shiny sparkly bits that were left over that she let me play with. Soon enough I got a toy sewing machine that really sewed, but I wanted to use the "big one " like Mom. I was told I could use it when I could reach the pedal. The next day Mom came out to see me at the machine trying to thread it. I had put the pedal up on several encyclopedia volumes so I *could* reach it and I had already wound the bobbin! At this point she decided it would probably be easier to teach me how to sew rather than argue that I was still too little to use her machine. I have always enjoyed playing with color combinations and embellishment options, but as a result I end up with things that are "historically inspired" most times rather than "historically accurate". I went to my first Ren faire when I was 14 and fell in love with the clothes. I started researching Elizabethan outfits and after a few years found the group called the SCA. I joined soon enough. Also, throughout High school I always entered the Tech Competitions in the Theater District Competitions as well as designing and building several shows. I went to college for Theatrical Design , but I found that I just worked better on my own schedule. I didn't like the pressure of doing four shows at once, with not much shop help. After three years I quit and ended up at Jo-ann's Fabrics. At least I get my fabric fix daily and I *don't * have to bring it all home! I still play quite actively in the SCA and I sew costumes for lots of friends that perform in the local Ren faires and in the SCA. I sell "historically inspired" outfits at RenFaires ( costume flavors for the masses...), but I have found myself edging towards more accurate fabrics and styles for myself. This still gives me an outlet for those wonderful color combinations I started with in the first place...... And as to how I got the nickname SewingGoddess... well... I did one small "Midwinter Medieval Festival" in sunny ol' Florida one warm February day. At a Nudist resort. Very interesting. I went with an open mind and with the intent to have a good time that day. Even if I didn't sell any clothing. Was I ever wrong. The nudists bought as much garb in one weekend as I ususally sold at a regular small faire. But they didn't wear complete outfits... more like ... parts thereof. Like I said....very interesting weekend. So I ended up with the nickname SewingGoddess, because I can and Have sold clothing to Nudists. Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend..... Crissy --------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 
 
 

Happy New Year!!!I've been lurking on the list for some time now and I've noticed that there are a lot of costumers on it. So just for curiosity where are you all from and why are you interested in historical costume?
 

 

   Welcome and Hello!  I'm going to come out of 'lurk and comment briefly' mode to pipe in my reasons why.....

   To introduce myself, my name is Crissy Brillant.  I started sewing as soon as I was old enough to pick up a needle.   My earliest costume memory is of my mother sewing ALL the costumes for our church's production of Jesus Christ Superstar when I was 5yrs old. I fell in love with all the shiny sparkly bits that were left over that she let me play with. Soon enough I got a toy sewing machine that really sewed, but I wanted to use the "big one " like Mom.  I was told I could use it when I could reach the pedal.  The next day Mom came out to see me at the machine trying to thread it. I had put the pedal up on several encyclopedia volumes so I *could* reach it and I had already wound the bobbin!  At this point she decided it would probably be easier to teach me how to sew rather than argue that I was still too little to use her machine.
     I have always enjoyed playing with color combinations and embellishment options, but as a result I end up with things that are "historically inspired" most times rather than "historically accurate".  I went to my first  Ren faire when I was 14 and fell in love with the clothes. I started researching Elizabethan outfits and after a few years found the group called the SCA. I joined soon enough.   Also, throughout High school I always entered the Tech Competitions in the Theater District Competitions as well as designing and building several shows.
   I went to college for Theatrical Design , but I found that I just worked better on my own schedule. I didn't like the pressure of doing four shows at once, with not much shop help.  After three years I quit and ended up at Jo-ann's Fabrics.  At least I get my fabric fix daily and I *don't * have to bring it all home!
    I still play quite actively in the SCA and I sew costumes for lots of friends that perform in the local Ren faires and in the SCA.  I sell "historically inspired" outfits at RenFaires ( costume flavors for the masses...), but I have found myself edging towards more accurate fabrics and styles for myself.  This still gives me an outlet for those wonderful color combinations I started with in the first place......

And as to how I got the nickname SewingGoddess... well... I did one small "Midwinter Medieval Festival" in sunny ol' Florida one warm February day.  At a Nudist resort.  Very interesting. I went with an open mind and with the intent to have a good time that day. Even if I didn't sell any clothing. Was I ever wrong.  The nudists bought as much garb in one weekend as I ususally sold at a regular small faire.  But they didn't wear complete outfits... more like ... parts thereof.  Like I said....very interesting weekend. So I ended up with the nickname SewingGoddess, because I can and Have sold clothing to Nudists.

Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend.....

Crissy --------------23D40EF22028A3562C8C78A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 20:39:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32222 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:39:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g022Akd12341; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:10:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022A0Z15763; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0224PZ14766 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:04:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0876.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.114]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g02258n40940 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:05:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c19332$82cceb00$7255fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <3C326668.626A1991@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:09:28 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So.... does this mean you're going to be at Peasant's Revolt this coming = weekend? Moira ps did you go to Hero of the Chalice this past weekend? Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend..... Crissy ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So.... does this mean you're going to = be at Peasant's Revolt this coming weekend?
Moira
ps did you go to Hero of the Chalice this past weekend?

Sewing like a madwoman...another faire this weekend.....

Crissy

------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C19308.992D7880-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 20:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32237 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g022Gkd12852; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:16:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022G1Z17099; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022AIZ15819 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14247 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:58 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Wools and a little silk Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:58 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I've just posted a bunch of fabric for sale to the h-cost marketplace list. If you missed out on the discussion of this, you can join at . Or, if you prefer, email me directly and I'll send you a list of what I have available. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 21:27:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32325 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g022wkd16664; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g022w0Z26487; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g022quZ25525 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:52:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 81332 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jan 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-94.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.94) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 02:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c1932f$7db75f40$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Where we're from and how we got started MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:47:51 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to the list, Rebecca! There are plenty of fellow costume addicts = here to share your passions. ;-) I am from Southeast Alabama (well, originally from Virginia, but moved = down here this past September). My husband and I do American Civil War = (Confederate) reenacting with our three little boys, and we've also = dabbled in Regency and Colonial reenacting. I started sewing by hand for = my dolls when I was five and on the machine when I was eight. I hated = sewing on the machine and quit doing it when I was ten, swearing I'd = never learn to use patterns or sew for anything larger than an 18" doll! = But when I was 14 and saw "Anne of Green Gables" on television, I begged = my mother to make me dresses like Anne's. She wryly pointed to the = sewing machine, and that's when I determined to conquer it. I've loved = it ever since. I made countless vintage-style outfits for myself before = I ever sewed for others, and I started my own costuming business back in = 1996 when I was married. Now, with three little boys requiring lots of = mommy time, I just make patterns for others and sew for myself and my = family (with occasional exceptions when a project comes along that I = can't resist!). My favorite era to wear is the English Regency, but the = Edwardian era runs a close second. I love reenacting, but I usually end = up frustrated with the yards and yards of material involved in sewing = mid-Victorian fashions. ;-) Right now I am working on a new tailcoat and narrow fall trousers for my = husband for a Regency evening party we'll be attending in February. Then = I'll make a new ballgown for myself. I just finished an 1830s day dress = inspired by one of the outfits in A&E's "Wives and Daughters" = miniseries. I just published a 1940s "Swing" dress pattern that I began = work on in 2001. The next pattern on my drawing board is a 1914 = afternoon dress, and I am currently doing the finishing work on a = Regency spencer/pelisse pattern that I hope to publish this Spring. Again, welcome to the list, and have fun! Cheers, Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome to the list, Rebecca! There are = plenty of fellow costume addicts here to share your passions. ;-)
 
I am from Southeast Alabama (well, originally from Virginia, but moved down here this past September). My husband and I do American Civil War (Confederate) reenacting with our three little boys, and we've also dabbled in Regency and Colonial reenacting. I started sewing by hand for my dolls when I was five and on the machine when I was eight. I hated sewing on the machine and quit doing it when I was ten, swearing I'd never learn to use patterns or sew for anything larger than an 18" doll! But when I was 14 and saw "Anne of Green Gables" on television, I begged my mother to make me dresses like Anne's. She wryly pointed to the sewing machine, and that's when I determined to conquer it. I've loved it ever since. I made countless vintage-style outfits for myself before I ever sewed for others, and I started my own costuming business back in 1996 when I was married. Now, with three little boys requiring lots of mommy time, I just make patterns for others and sew for myself and my family (with occasional exceptions when a project comes along that I can't resist!). My favorite era to wear is the English Regency, but the Edwardian era runs a close second. I love reenacting, but I usually end up frustrated with the yards and yards of material involved in sewing mid-Victorian fashions. ;-) =
 
Right now I am working on a new tailcoat and narrow fall trousers for my husband for a Regency evening party we'll be attending in February. Then I'll make a new ballgown for myself. I just finished an 1830s day dress inspired by one of the outfits in A&E's "Wives and Daughters" miniseries. I just published a 1940s "Swing" dress pattern that I began work on in 2001. The next pattern on my drawing board is a 1914 afternoon dress, and I am currently doing the finishing work on a Regency spencer/pelisse pattern that I hope to publish this Spring.
 
Again, welcome to the list, and have fun!
 
Cheers,
Jennie Chancey

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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C19305.9442A640-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 22:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32479 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:12:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g023W1d19293; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g023V0Z03846; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g023UsZ03821 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:30:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2200.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.200]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32283 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3C327EA5.654F624B@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorcerers vs Philosophers... References: <200112281359.fBSDxiZ28639@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Dec 28, 2001 06:59:44 am" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:29:42 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I think the German is the closest to the intended meaning, as the stone in question is intended to turn any base metal into gold. The English usage is generally termed "Philosopher's Stone". I am glad that J.K. Rowling did her homework, and Nicolas Flamel and his wife were included. I knew I was wierd when I knew the answers to all of the questions that Professor Snape asks Harry (the answer to the first question is not Draught of the Living Death, but a vermifuge and antidote against the stings of spiders and scorpions). Don't have any costume content to go with that...Mike T. > Barbara Maren Winkler asks > > > >Oh, another useless question -- when and for whom (England, America, > >Australia, New Zealand?) is it "Harry Potter and the Philosophers' Stone" > >or "Harry Potter and the Sorcerers' Stone", and does any of that have the > >connotations of the German "Stein der Weisen", which was supposed to be > >the ultimate ingredient in alchemy to produce gold, and is proverbial for > >some ultimate good you search but never achieve? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 22:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32636 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:56:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024PJd23171; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024OHZ14263; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024CdZ11936 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g024Dru03227 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:13:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <3C31B45C.3030905@post12.tele.dk> References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:17:42 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be approved? How does everyone feel about that? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 22:56:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32640 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:56:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024Qnd23274; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024PnZ14584; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024G5Z12683 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2200.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.200]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10298 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:16:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C328943.49A9C886@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011227235326.02448ae0@radiks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:14:59 -0500 Status: RO Hi. I believe it was the Maori language, although what it's proper name is, I don't know. I loved the little detail on the boats. The paddles were of a type found in the South Pacific, but I suppose the art director thought they looked Elvish, being leaf shaped and all. Everywhere, John Howe's influence could be seen (Gothic plate on the Ringwraiths, a sweet 15th Cent hand-and-a half sword with byeknife for Aragorn, a great 15th/16th Cent lantern carried by the gatekeeper at Bree, etc.) John and his compatriot Gerry Embleton have one of the best (if not THE best) 15th cent. reenactment groups in the world (The Companie of Saynte George). You can see them on their website http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/index_1.phtml If you go to the Gallery page, and look at the picture entitled "Swiss in snow above Grandson", you can see John (the guy in the middle). Mike T. (We are not worthy...We are not worthy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32657 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:02:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024XUd23845; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:33:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024WiZ16108; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:32:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024MKZ13932 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:22:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2200.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.200]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29629 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:23:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3C328ABA.568C69F0@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits References: <002201c190f8$db511da0$5030c818@videotron.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:21:14 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. The studs on Boromirs tunic looked different and asymmetrical to me. One looked like a diamond, another like a bird. They might have perhaps tried to create different types of spangles of different shapes. they looked to me like the metal fittings from the Sutton Hoo shield, some geometric, some animal based, and the stuff on the sleeves looked to me like embroidery in bullion. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32699 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:17:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024mld25067; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:48:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024m0Z19235; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024hXZ18342 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020102044412.GFOG1920.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:44:12 +0000 Message-ID: <061401c19348$1d77bf80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:37:30 -0600 Status: RO What is the point of being a part of a community if you do not disclose who you are or how to get a hold of you? My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list > Greetings, > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those > who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community > administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site > do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up > (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be > approved? How does everyone feel about that? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32718 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g024skd25516; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:54:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024s0Z20758; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g024rAZ20586 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:53:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1b-237.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.1.237]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24717 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:52:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3294EF.78035997@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <061401c19348$1d77bf80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:04:49 -0700 Status: RO I agree. Put up or shut up. MD/Marged Chiara wrote: > > What is the point of being a part of a community if you do not disclose who > you are or how to get a hold of you? > > My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. > > Sincerely, > Franchesca Havas > McKinney, Texas > €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€Ù _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32744 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:35:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0256ld26205; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02560Z23299; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0251TZ22328 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:01:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0252hu13242 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:02:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101230510.00a83880@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: <3C3294EF.78035997@costumemag.com> References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <061401c19348$1d77bf80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0251TZ22328 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:06:28 -0600 Status: RO Well that was easy. I happen to agree. I just didn't want to be autocratic about it. The person was declined with a message saying that the community was designed specifically for members of this list. cheers, Danielle At 10:04 PM 1/1/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I agree. Put up or shut up. > >MD/Marged > >Chiara wrote: > > > > What is the point of being a part of a community if you do not disclose who > > you are or how to get a hold of you? > > > > My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. > > > > Sincerely, > > Franchesca Havas > > McKinney, Texas > > €º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€ø€º°`°º€ø,¸¸,ø€º°`°º€Ù _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 1 23:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00308 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g025Npd27283; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025N5Z26792; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from commzero.com ([199.246.107.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025HbZ25597 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [199.246.107.30] (HELO mail.commzero.com) by commzero.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 10000817 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:15:44 -0500 Content-type: text/plain From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Subject: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:18:50 -0500 Status: RO For those of you who missed the invitation for the communities the first time - here it is again. Cheers, Danielle Your invitation to join: "HCostume fabric sell or swap..." TO JOIN, CLICK HERE: http://www.communityzero.com/hcostume/index.cfm?key=633-RUX After clicking on the above link you will see the community's welcome page. Click the 'JOIN THIS COMMUNITY' link found on the center of the welcome page. Your invitation key is: 633-RUX ---------------------------------------------------------------- If you cannot click on the link, cut and paste the Web address into the "Address" area of your Web browser. Note that the invitation key is NOT your user name. You must select your own user name and password when creating a new account. This is a private and interactive website for the group. Registration is free and your privacy will be respected. You will not receive e-mail SPAM after registration. If you experience problems using the above link, please ensure it was not split into two lines. If so, cut and paste the full Web address into the Web browser's "Address" area. This invitation was sent by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg. CommunityZero by Ramius Corporation ------------------------------------------------------------------ Build your own communities for free today! http://www.communityzero.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00339 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g025ald28047; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:36:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025a0Z29723; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g025ZtZ29707 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:35:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC227A70146; Tue, 01 Jan 2002 23:35:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:29:02 -0500 Status: RO The Color Marketing group is actually the largest color organization for people in the color related industries. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00421 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:49:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Kqd00566; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:20:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026K0Z09116; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026FKZ08179 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A55438D039E; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:14:44 -0600 Message-ID: <008801c19353$dfa0a3a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:07:59 -0500 Status: RO Hi Rebecca and welcome!!!! I have interest in most areas of costume, historic, fantasy, wearable, film, bridal, holiday, and current and futuristic fashion. I do have a special fondness for historic costume, film, and wearable art. I do have favorite areas bustle & 1890s eras and Egyptian. I research color history in fashion and have a blast trying to predict fashion trends. After three decades and having six kids, I finally finished my degree in fashion in 1997 with emphasis in costume design, marketing, and computers. I am a member of Costume Society of America and served (past tense) as their webmaster for three years. I have been sewing since 4 y.o. I got into fashion because of home ec. in 6th grade. I stayed in that study for 6 years. I also took a lot of art and mechanical drawing classes. I got into historic costume study the last time I went back to college. I did my internship in a museum's costume collection... so that really hooked me on historic costume. I got into film costume because I married a film major. I love fantasy costume because I grew up around Mardi Gras. I got hooked on wearable art clothing five years ago at an annual show in Williamsburg, VA. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:50:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Ldd00613; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:21:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026KrZ09289; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026I2Z08790 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPAS7A00.92P for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:18:46 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:15:27 -0800 Status: RO It really is for h-cost members. You should probably post an invitation to the list (as you just did) on a monthly basis or so, because our population is constantly changing. When you returned the "rejection" notice, did you send the h-cost signup address? We don't want to lose good new members just because they're knocking on the back door :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Danielle Nunn-Weinberg > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 8:18 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for > the list > > > Greetings, > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those > who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community > administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site > do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up > (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be > approved? How does everyone feel about that? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00452 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Qmd00930; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026Q1Z10203; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026OAZ09851 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from compaq (dv241s77.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.77.241]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g026Osv11509 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:24:54 -0600 From: "Margretta de Vries" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <79.20aeba5d.2962c11c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:26:00 -0600 Status: RO You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will look. Margretta (delurking) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Azelana@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:37 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 00:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00456 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026Qud00940; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026Q9Z10241; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026OAZ09853 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from compaq (dv241s77.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.77.241]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g026Osv11512 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:24:54 -0600 From: "Margretta de Vries" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] new year's needlework resolutions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20011230160017.00cd1840@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:26:01 -0600 Status: RO My needlework resolution is to finish one project every month. I am trying to expand my civil war reenacting wardrobe, and this is the only way it is going to get done! Margretta de Vries deluring (again) in Lawrence, KS -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 6:18 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] new year's needlework resolutions The new year begins Tuesday. One needlework resolution is to finish the macrame purse I should have finished this year for my ship-captain's-wife Dickens' Fair character. I finally got all the string measured out... This character also needs a collar and cuff set, petticoat and drawers and chemise lace, and maybe a breakfast cap, all in crochet. But I don't know if I want to encumber my resolution list with those or not. None of my other historical characters, nor dolls, are screaming for needlework at this moment. (I'm sure they will when I'm in the middle of something else.) Does anyone else have new year's needlework resolutions? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 01:04:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00507 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:04:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g026ZLd01432; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:35:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026YYZ11796; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026VuZ11302 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9473EA0268; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:31:35 -0600 Message-ID: <00ff01c19356$2968f760$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C326668.626A1991@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C1932C.3F001A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:24:38 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C1932C.3F001A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome Crissy!!!! 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------=_NextPart_000_00FB_01C1932C.3F001A60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 01:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00561 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:31:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0272ld02634; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02720Z16839; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g026w3Z16111 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF6728C0208; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:57:43 -0600 Message-ID: <017c01c19359$c4a7fac0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Please check Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:50:29 -0500 Status: RO If you came to the Costume Classroom and filled out a registration form for a class and you have NOT heard back from me, please go to www.costumeclassroom.com and fill the form out again. We have had some major problems with our form for the past month. We finally have it working properly. Drea's class, 16th Century Women, is very close to filling up and I don't want some of you to miss out on it. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 01:46:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00590 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:46:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g027HJd03166; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:17:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g027GXZ19444; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:16:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0279jZ18374 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:09:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-17-83.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.83]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACJ27364; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:10:19 GMT Message-ID: <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:14:00 -0000 Status: RO >I took Ben's first class and LOVED it. Wonderful info! I haven't been able to make anything from it yet except a pair of small brooches, but am itching to get started- on the jewelry, at least as much as the clothing. I loved the wealth of pictures! I make early Anglo Saxon brooches see www.pastclass.com Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 02:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21581 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:31:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0282ld04552; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:02:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02820Z27213; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ajax.cnchost.com (ajax.cnchost.com [207.155.248.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g027vTZ26319 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:57:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-lvw-vty12.as.wcom.net [216.193.25.12]) by ajax.cnchost.com id CAA07750; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:58:11 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201020637.g026bKZ12339@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Detail Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:55:01 -0800 Status: RO Ring Wraith details: Here's a couple of photo of the horsemen not mounted http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2351 - full shot http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2207 - 3 quarter, w/ hobbit bed Here they are as the witch king http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2390 http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/2200 - full shot, little fuzzy The best pictures are in the silly little Insider Guide. There are a couple of photos (well lit) of them at rest where you can even see seam lines Another thing is check out the toys to get an approximation of what the costume is "perceived" to look like. Re: finding black gauze... the fabrics look distressed and over dyed. For a really good look you might try to die it and go for different blackish colors for the layers. Maybe even start with some layers almost close to cheese cloth. (All guesses here.) If you live near a bit city, head for the garment district and look for damaged fabric... you want this dusty, stained, torn, etc. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 03:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21761 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g028cmd05857; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g028c0Z03446; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g028XTZ02745 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-98.frys.com [66.121.20.98]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g028Wbr18066 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:32:37 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020102000923.00aa79b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <00d901c19309$bedc9380$8755fe3f@ccc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:40:46 -0800 Status: RO > >> >> I'm presently trying to come up with something beautiful but practical for >> being in a wheelchair and a herald.;-} > Once I saw a book on sewing for wheelchair folks. One thing it suggested was leaving open the seam from waist to hem in back (if the person never walks, this is OK). Another was to always make the fit loose enough that there was no binding, no tight spot, anywhere, especially if they had trouble dressing themselves or with arm motions (I gather you don't have a problem here). My favourite suggestion for wheelchair folks is to decorate the chair itself. This will tend to frame the sitter whatever he/she is wearing. The simplest way is to hang a banner (or a nice piece of cloth) down the back of the chair. Cloth slipcovers for the arms don't hurt the looks either. If you do Renaissance, look at the chairs in Ren. portraits for ideas. (I was at a Science Fiction convention, and someone had decorated her chair like a futuristic transport pod, which went with her space ship uniform.) My housemate will always have to use a chair, and even tho the thing is really high tech and motorized (and cost more than my car did) he still looks really good wearing his evening clothes and sitting in the chair at Dickens' Fair or historical dances. He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 03:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16844 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:55:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g029Qmd07842; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029Q0Z11477; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029LiZ10726 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:21:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA01371 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:22:21 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005301c1936e$21521e40$d0cfadcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Details MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:16:13 +1300 Status: RO - <)>> Not too sure, having worn costumes made up by the same people, darts are almost certainly out. All the costumes I wore and saw in the costume rooms at PR were flatlined, and used seams for shaping. We are talking from ancient fantasy(Xena) to 18thC fantasy(JoAT) to furturistic fantasy(Cleo). She did not like darts:). Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted and yes, polyboning is about the only thing you can get in NZ (but it's not Rigilene) Grommets are used and a placket sewn to one side of the laced openings. Boned bodices were lined in calico and a double layer for the boning to sit in, then the linings sewn to the fabric (and overlocked) and then seamed together. The cording sewn after this, then hand basted inside. It's how I make my costumes: neater, closer fitting, easily adjustable to size fluctuations and stong.. that's the big thing. Costumes were in wardrobe for several years worn by many people and washed many times, so had to last:) And yes, I was strongly influenced by what I saw in the department. And there was at least one woman with a buttoned front bodice, relatively high curved v neck and in a dullish colour. Reminded me of a riding habit actually. And I loved the waist coats of the male hobbits:). It was exactly what I imagined.. as I thought the desciptions in the book were very "country gentlman in his home" feeling:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 04:07:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16955 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:07:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g029cld08153; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029c0Z13415; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g029b9Z13306 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:37:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA02186 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:37:53 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p462-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.207.208] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005401c19370$4cc9d340$d0cfadcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - end credits -- again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:31:46 +1300 Status: RO > I've been looking on vcarious fan sites and can't find any mention. But they do > say that Maori shamen (or whatever the correct term is) blessed the various > shooting sites, so it may be safe to say it's either a thank you or a blessing > of some kind. Tohunga:) Elder rather than shaman. But it's a thank you to the people (Maori) of New Zealand (Tangata Whenua o Aoteroa) not specific individuals. The blessing is usually to lift a tapu, maybe someone had died on a site (we had a blessing at the Mt Wellington RSA where three people were beaten to death and a women in ICU) and automatically becomes tapu. And there are a lot of sacred sites, ancestors burials etc. A lot of land was taken illegally or by underhand methods in the colonial days, and in recent years it's been attempted to be recified. The Treaty of Waitangi is a veru controversial document as there are several versions ... some say one things some another, definate differences between the maori and english translations. So thanking the Tangata Whenua of the land goes some way to recognising the injustices. Rather than just taking for commerical material gain, it's been properly asked for and thanked. It's only just recently that the majority of Pakeha accepted that there are wrongs to atone for. Or even accept that the word Pakeha does not mean white pig or some derogatory term. aroha michaela Whenua is pronounced fenua, each vaowel pure like italian, wh is only pronounced w in certain parts of NZ.. and then some areas use double vowels... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:37:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17285 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02B8nd11279; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B80Z11584; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B3XZ10630 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g02B2lr19355 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:02:48 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020102030520.01788d10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume In-Reply-To: <008801c19353$dfa0a3a0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:06:52 -0800 Status: RO I do have favorite >areas bustle & 1890s eras and Egyptian. Egyptian from when? I used to be big into the earlier Dynastic stuff, but now I prefer the later Coptic stuff, especially the weaving, and the 19th century 'ethnic' stuff. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17291 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:38:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02B9Ud11324; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B8gZ11683; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02B3fZ10656 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g02B2jr19352 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:02:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020102030114.00920100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> References: <3C31B45C.3030905@post12.tele.dk> <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 03:02:20 -0800 Status: RO Should people who sign-up >(not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be >approved? How does everyone feel about that? I'd say no to that. They could be collecting addresses for some SPAM list, for all we knew. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17328 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02BHLd11503; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BGXZ13024; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:16:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BCIZ12306 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B8CA93A8045 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:13:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014401c19386$e7338aa0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <106.ae403c8.29622c03@aol.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:13:35 -0600 Status: RO We are talking about exchanging either money or fabric here (not sure which is more important!) I would feel funny about sending money to someone who won't even disclose their name or email! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list > Greetings, > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For those > who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my (the community > administrator's) approval. However, those who signed up through the site > do require approval. So, here is my question. Should people who sign-up > (not through "invitation") and don't disclose a name or email be > approved? How does everyone feel about that? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 05:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17332 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02BHQd11516; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BGcZ13049; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02BCdZ12359 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLDS6Y33400D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLDS6KDK200C9JF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:15:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:11:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:10:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:10:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen clothes In-reply-to: <200112231023.fBNANZ108955@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C0861F5540@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:10:43 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > That's terrible! A holiday nightmare! I wish there was something to > be done, but I can only suggest watching all the local consignment > shops for the next 2 months. The thieves will want to make some money > off the venture, and consignment is the pawn shop for fancy clothes. What's a consignment shop? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 07:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21799 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02D8nd15462; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:08:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D80Z03212; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D2AZ01437 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:02:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLHLZ5RHS00CV98@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:04:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLHLR4JGQ00C9JF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:00:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:00:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:07:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR In-reply-to: <200112291904.fBTJ43Z24343@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B3D5D2746B@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:07:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > After all the raving, maybe it's time for a different opinion.... > > I was looking forward to LOTR, becasue I've never been able to get > through the books, and I was hoping the movie would show me just what > it is that so many people love about this story. Unfortunately, the > movie took what I didn't like about the books and made it more so. I'm not a great fan of the books - too much long boring description of endless travel through meticulously described countryside which could all be cut and make it one book instead of three and still tell the story. It was a much better read the second time around as I knew which bits were nothing but travelogue and could be skipped without missing them.... I *did* like the film. All except the Elven Bint's dress... I sat there thinking "Surely a powerful elf could come up with something better than white nylon lace with spangles - she looked like she'd just stepped out of a bad 1980's medieval fancy-dress party..... Other than that, I thought it was a wonderfully *lose yourself in the on-screen action* film. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 07:38:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21806 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:38:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02D9Kd15501; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:09:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D8XZ03332; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02D2nZ01757 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLHMSK90000CV4X@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:05:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLHMKEF6Y00D0KO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:05:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:01:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:00:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:45:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Opps In-reply-to: <200112280120.fBS1KGZ25644@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B3D8711759@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 11:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Unless you have typical baby-fine northern european hair. Then the > > silky stuff looks stiff next to your own hair. > > Actually, I do have baby fine northern european hair, and it's > extremely difficult to do anything with it at all. I can vouch for that - Stevie's hair has that lovely baby-whispy texture that looks great but must be hell to do anything with. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 07:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21850 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02DNLd16193; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02DMXZ06307; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:22:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02DHdZ05377 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from linda ([24.6.180.44]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102131825.VDNX6214.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@linda> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 05:18:25 -0800 Message-ID: <005501c19391$62bd5200$2cb40618@vbch1.va.home.com> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <1C0861F5540@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen clothes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:28:37 -0500 Status: RO Hi Teddy, Happy New Year! A consignment shop is a type of resale shop. If you have an item to sell, but don't want to go through the hassle of advertising it yourself, then a consignment shop will accept the item for sale in their shop. Length of contracts vary, but are usually around 90 days. The one I go to locally starts to mark down after 30 days, and then again at 60 days, trying to move the item. They get a percentage of the sale price for doing virtually all of the work, but it is a really easy way to sell off furniture, better clothing, jewelry, electronics, etc. My local shop carries quite a bit of formal wear, so it's very possible that your stolen costumes may turn up in such a place. Linda ---- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: stolen clothes > What's a consignment shop? > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 08:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21912 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:13:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Diod17448; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:44:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Di0Z10510; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02DhoZ10459 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA07149.; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:51:52 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:44:34 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g02DhoZ10459 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:44:08 +0000 Status: RO I seem to remember reading that Montrose's army (Scots Royalists in the "English" Civil War) on ce fought a battle in a heatwave, when the Highlanders took off their heavy plaids and fought in their shirts with the tails knotted together. I'll see if I can find the reference when I get home. I've also seen a list of clothing issued to English soldiers at this period, including shirts but not drawers, which made me wonder idly whether the common man perhaps didn't wear them? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:14:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22312 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:14:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Eiod21558; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:44:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ei0Z24030; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EciZ22717 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:38:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21105 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:35:33 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112300025.fBU0PRZ12809@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:33:35 -0500 Status: RO I heard a radio interviewer ask this very question. The answer is not that Americans are too stupid to know what the philosopher's stone is, but that the marketers thought "sorcerer" would sound more exciting to American kids than "philosopher." I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. The same person being interviewed (I forget who it was) said that the film called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" -- British folks, please enlighten us. The US marketers left off the III because they thought Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel -- you know, coming after "The Madness of King George II." Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:16:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22397 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:16:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02El7d21697; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EkJZ25153; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EhpZ23997 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:43:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA09734.; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:51:55 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:44:37 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g02EhpZ23997 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:44:14 +0000 Status: RO There's no accounting for taste - what I like *best* about the books is the imaginary geography and the adventure story. I read Vol.1 from the library when I was a student about to spend a year abroad, and HAD to buy the omnibus edition to take with me as I couldn't bear not to know what happened next. I know the mythological part was most important to Prof. Tolkien, but personally I find it rather tedious. Costume note; I haven't seen the film yet, but I notice from clips that not much seems to have been made of the hobbits' famous hairy feet. I thought they were supposed to be so thickly furred that the hobbits didn't need to wear shoes or stockings, which must affect the males' choice of legwear? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22408 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Eqwd22092; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Eq2Z26920; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EltZ25550 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLLB2NL5S00D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLLB1Y5P2009VJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:46:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:45:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:42:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] redingote In-reply-to: <200112311348.fBVDmAZ13457@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B5979A61D4@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:42:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > A couple of my friends and I are doing costumes for Costume Con in > 2003. > The gentleman involved is not confident enough to draft his own > pattern, so he wants to know what commercially available pattern is > the most accurate, easiest to use, etc. > the ones on this site: http://www.harriets.com/Colonialmen.htm > > Could you let me know if either of these are any good, or if there are > others he should consider instead? He is looking for a 1740's look > (to match his wife's outfit). I used 47A shown on that site for my red and white brocade coat that was stolen before Christmas. The coat came out OK in the end but the pattern was less than helpful (no instructions for a start), the sizing was "small, medium or large" and there was only one size of sleeves (the largest) which needed several inces cut off both seams in order to make them anywhere near narrow enough for the medium size.... and fitting the sleeve-head to the armhole was a nightmare. The fullness of the skirts, on the other hand, was wonderfully swirly. Just my opinion of it.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22416 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:25:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Eu7d22421; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EtJZ28245; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:55:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EltZ25551 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:47:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLLB2NSOW00DM4M@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLLB1Y5P2009VJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:50:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:46:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:45:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:25:05 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: <200112310733.fBV7XJZ05375@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B5980757A7@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:25:05 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail > and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the back "tails"). Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22420 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:25:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02EuFd22437; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EtQZ28295; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:55:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9803.mail.yahoo.com (web9803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g02EopZ26545 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:50:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020102145137.66647.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.216] by web9803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:51:37 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c1932f$7db75f40$ac37fea9@jchancey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Where we're from and how we got started Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:51:37 -0800 (PST) Status: RO One of my earliest memories is being in my Gran's NE Ohio home sitting on the floor watching the wheel spin while she worked the treadle on her old Singer sewing machine. It absolutely fascinated me! By the time I was six, I was making my doll clothes--so I began sewing fairly early. My first costume attempt for myself was sometime before I was 10--I tried to make a Little Bo Peep costume by myself. When I was in my early twenties, a friend and I discovered science fiction conventions and fantasy costuming. My first (for her) was a "Pre-Reform Vulcan" that looked more like an escapee from a harem! :-D Much later, after I got married, another friend invited me to come visit her in Germany. Needless to say, I jumped at the chance to go--a free place to stay--I only needed my air fare and spending money! Anyway, she was in the SCA and there was an event going on just about the same time that I arrived, so I needed to bring a gown to wear. I borrowed someone's Known World Handbook and made a gown based on its the instructions (ugly thing too!). She helped me make sleeves for it when I got there. The day of the event (Drachenwald's investiture of a new Prince and Princess), I was stunned by the breathtakingly wonderful clothing I saw--ladies in Cavalier, gentlemen in Landskenect (sp?), Italian Renaissance clothing--that was it, I was hooked! I've been doing 16th century Italian gowns ever since (almost 12 years, now). It gives me a *reason* to collect all of the nifty fabrics that I love so much! :-) Where ever I go, I keep an eye out for appropriate fabric and buy it when I find it. You just never know when you might need 10 yards of deep green brocade! The gown that I made for my first SCA event lives on and is worn occasionally by a friend of mine...It's an olive-y green silk blend that will never die! ;-D If I weren't in the SCA I'd still make costumes of some kind, even if they weren't for real people. I make cloth dolls that look like children and love to dress them in period styles of clothing (ranging from the Renaissance to Edwardian mostly). I've only made a few in recent years, but I still have the patterns and hope to find the time to make more of my "kids" when I graduate in a couple of years (computer science and technology). Kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:28:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Exmd22799; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ex0Z29619; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EqaZ27113 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:52:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.172] (pm5-172.eos.net [205.133.149.172]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25410 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:49:27 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200112311902.fBVJ2eZ07125@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re:LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:47:01 -0500 Status: RO I didn't think Galadriel's dress was made of lace fabric. It was pretty huge up there on the screen, and it looked like a sort of beaded gauze scarf from India that I used to have and love. It hung like gauze, anyway, not like lace. My particular scarf had spangly things glued to it, or maybe glittery things in the glue, but this might have been actually hand-beaded, of course. And Boromir's cote seemed to be made of an Indian sari fabric to me. I also wouldn't call it Pre-Raphaelite in style. It was much simpler even than that -- the P-Rs liked smocking and other details. Some of the other costumes, however, had that influence. I enjoyed the costumes very much, even if I did't care for them all personally. What a nice job everyone did. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:31:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22450 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:31:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02F2Vd23060; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:02:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02F1hZ00901; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:01:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02EvfZ29116 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 07:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from linda ([24.6.180.44]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020102145828.JMOM4569.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@linda> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 06:58:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001301c1939f$558d6ee0$2cb40618@vbch1.va.home.com> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:08:28 -0500 Status: RO The hairy feet were there, and they looked great. None of the men hobbits were wearing any kind of footwear and the pant legs were of the "highwater" style. I remember reading an interview with Elijah Wood, he said that the prosthetics were a pain, they kept coming off at all the wrong times. With all the action that the hobbits did, from running, climbing, swordfighting and even swimming, I don't think I ever saw them not look like they were real. I guess that's just the magic of post-production work. Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR > Costume note; I haven't seen the film yet, but I notice from clips that not much seems to have been made of the hobbits' famous hairy feet. I thought they were supposed to be so thickly furred that the hobbits didn't need to wear shoes or stockings, which must affect the males' choice of legwear? > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:43:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22543 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:43:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02FELd23992; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:14:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FDXZ06249; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02F6OZ02919 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:06:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA10619.; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:14:28 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:07:10 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g02F6OZ02919 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:06:48 +0000 Status: RO Alan Bennett's play is called "The madness of George III". According to www.snopes2.com, the reason for the change of title for the film was not so much the oft-quoted "people would think it was a sequel", as a perceived need to add the word "King" for the benefit of American audiences. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> gailscott@eos.net 01/02/02 02:33pm >>> I heard a radio interviewer ask this very question. The answer is not that Americans are too stupid to know what the philosopher's stone is, but that the marketers thought "sorcerer" would sound more exciting to American kids than "philosopher." I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. The same person being interviewed (I forget who it was) said that the film called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" -- British folks, please enlighten us. The US marketers left off the III because they thought Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel -- you know, coming after "The Madness of King George II." Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 09:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22559 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:46:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02FHnd24276; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:17:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FH0Z08097; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FEMZ06692 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLM8SV2DS00D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:17:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLM8SC6DK00DFXT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:17:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:12:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:12:29 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:53:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - Elvish and costumes In-reply-to: <200112311902.fBVJ2qZ07210@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B609AF4C78@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:53:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > when Galadriel first descends the stairs to meet the travelers -- > all bright, shimmery and opalescent. Yummy! Sorry to disagree - but I thought it looked cheap and tacky.... it was the one jarring part of the entire film for me (I got elbowed by the person sitting next to me for squeaking, "Ugh! Nylon lace!!") Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 10:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22781 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:17:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Flud28007; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Fl7Z22455; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02FghZ20120 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCLN7ZQG2800D9TU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.52.12]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCLN7ZFTOE009VJE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:45:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CPQ-TEMP1/SpoolDir by mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:41:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CPQ-TEMP1 (Mercury 1.48); Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:40:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:20:01 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question In-reply-to: <200201020637.g026bQZ12351@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 15:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For > > those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my > > (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed > > up through the site do require approval. I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field and I don't have one. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 10:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23080 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:58:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02GTod03479; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02GT1Z11654; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02GStZ11606 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5348F60146; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 10:28:36 -0600 Message-ID: <006201c193a6$872b4a60$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020102030520.01788d10@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:59:47 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, My interest is very broad over the entire culture. My husband has traveled all over Egypt. For our 30 wedding anniversary, we are planning to stay in Egypt for a month. Since we are only at our 23rd year presently, we have a lot of time for planning. Did you see the four hour special on A&E last night about the pharaohs? If you did, do you have any opinions of the show? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 11:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23145 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:10:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Gfnd05180; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:41:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Gf0Z17246; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02GeLZ16909 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17610 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:56:07 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:56:07 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Teddy wrote: > I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field > and I don't have one. Maybe, for the purposes of the list, you could use Evilbunny? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 11:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23402 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:52:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02HNnd10624; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:23:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HN0Z07490; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HI1Z05121 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g02HIlU03493 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020102084246.00a769f0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions In-Reply-To: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <018801c1910d$70ea7320$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4008359==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:20:35 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_4008359==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ever looked for a deep blue shirt in what appears to be a sea of the same french blue shirt? Ever walked through a mall looking for a certain item in a certain color and noticed that every seems to have the variations on the same garment but not in the color you wanted? When I was in school and I had to designs lines or groups, these books were essential! These subscriptions sell for thousands. I was lucky in that I had free access to these during my school days. But when I graduated and began really designing for a living (not costumes), I really felt out of the loop if the company I worked for didn't have them available. If you work for a larger garment producer, they will have all these volumes in their design libraries. Trust me, when you have to spec out lines 18 months in advance, you really love these services. There are similar subscription services for silhouettes and fabric trends, along with just the color forecasts. These are forecasted out 2 years in advance in quarterly segments. Now not everyone follows these forecasts exactly. Sometimes a designer will add color options into a line that were nothing near the forecasted colors. This is a calculated risk. If everyone is doing chinese red turtlenecks and you offer the only deep eggplant turtleneck out there (provided the costing points are relatively the same), you should see a nice rise in sales. Or you'll end up with a ton of these turtlenecks going to outlets, whence the calculated risk. There are lots of ways the calculated risk can pay off besides increased sales of one item but I'll leave all that to the merchandising folks. At 06:28 PM 12/31/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Are these people related to wine critics? "A multicultural red" ..." a >hueful neutral" Do you think we'll be able to tell them from western >imperialist red and light grey? > >Jean > > >Overall, Color Directions for 2002 are fresh and clean, > >yet the colors are fascinatingly adaptable. Hues are ambiguous > >with mixed undertones that allow them to cross color families > >without being wholly defined by one. Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_4008359==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Ever looked for a deep blue shirt in what appears to be a sea of the same french blue shirt? Ever walked through a mall looking for a certain item in a certain color and noticed that every seems to have the variations on the same garment but not in the color you wanted?

When I was in school and I had to designs lines or groups, these books were essential!  These subscriptions sell for thousands.  I was lucky in that I had free access to these during my school days. But when I graduated and began really designing for a living (not costumes),  I really felt out of the loop if the company I worked for didn't have them available.  If you work for a larger garment producer, they will have all these volumes in their design libraries.  Trust me, when you have to spec out lines 18 months in advance, you really love these services.

There are similar subscription services for silhouettes and fabric trends, along with just the color forecasts.  These are forecasted out 2 years in advance in quarterly segments. 

Now not everyone follows these forecasts exactly.  Sometimes a designer will add color options into a line that were nothing near the forecasted colors.  This is a calculated risk.  If everyone is doing chinese red turtlenecks and you offer the only deep eggplant turtleneck out there (provided the costing points are relatively the same), you should see a nice rise in sales.  Or you'll end up with a ton of these turtlenecks going to outlets, whence the calculated risk.  There are lots of ways the calculated risk can pay off besides increased sales of one item but I'll leave all that to the merchandising folks.

At 06:28 PM 12/31/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Are these people related to wine critics?  "A multicultural red" ..." a
hueful neutral"  Do you think we'll be able to tell them from western
imperialist red and light grey?

Jean

>Overall, Color Directions for 2002 are fresh and clean,
>yet the colors are fascinatingly adaptable. Hues are ambiguous
>with mixed undertones that allow them to cross color families
>without being wholly defined by one.

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis
--=====================_4008359==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 12:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23479 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:05:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Hand12408; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ha0Z14478; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HV6Z12088 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.44.18c5e0dd (4256) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <44.18c5e0dd.29649e05@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:31:49 EST Status: RO --part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somehow I missed out on the original and didn't get signed up (at least I don't think I did) and now they are making me go through the whole application thing. I did it, but have not been "approved" yet. What a bummer. If I am not approved I will just forget it. Does that tell you how us "outsiders" feel? Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somehow I missed out on the original and didn't get signed up (at least I don't think I did) and now they are making me go through the whole application thing.  I did it, but have not been "approved" yet.  What a bummer.  If I am not approved I will just forget it.  Does that tell you how us "outsiders" feel?

Lalah
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--part1_44.18c5e0dd.29649e05_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 12:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23483 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:08:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Hdhd12985; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HcsZ15989; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02HWSZ12700 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.166.688b00c (4256) for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:33:04 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <166.688b00c.29649e4f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:33:03 EST Status: RO --part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 11:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes: > My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance. > You might want to add to that NO SPAM Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/1/02 11:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes:


My answer is no. No shirt, no shoes, no name, no email, no entrance.

      You might want to add to that NO SPAM

Lalah
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Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
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--part1_166.688b00c.29649e4f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 13:22:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23960 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:22:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Ir0d23484; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Iq0Z24198; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02IpXZ23974 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:51:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p150.directcon.net [209.233.107.150]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14387 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:51:40 -0800 Message-Id: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:51:40 -0800 Status: RO At 02:25 PM 01/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >> I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail >> and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. > >That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the >back "tails"). Okay, this brings up a new set of questions. Those who do not enjoy explicit discussions of anatomical detail may wish to move on... (Move along, you lot. Nothing here you want to see...) In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, but the center front openings of the slops appear to meet behind them. What's happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded circular bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question....does just the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow supposed to hold the scrotum as well? And just how does one accomplish that wrapping the shirt tail around it first bit? Sorry for the graphic nature of this post, but the question's been bugging me ever since I fiest saw the book. What that says about me, I don't think I want to know.... Margo (Blushing) Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24248 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:16:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Jl0d01293; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02JkAZ20991; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02JWjZ14872 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:32:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201021328.AA698679576@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Cynthia Bucheger" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:28:11 -0600 Status: RO >In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their >functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, but >the center front openings of the slops appear to meet behind them. What's >happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? > >Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded circular >bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question....does just >the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow supposed to hold the scrotum >as well? Okay, I don't have the right plumbing to really answer this with any real authority, but I have heard stories that that pocket behind the codpiece was just that, a pocket, to put stuff, like coins, etc, not one's uhm-person. I have always understood that the codpiece was just a cover of the split in the slops, since early in the tudor period they weren't using buttons. Alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24343 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:21:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Jppd01920; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Jp2Z23377; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02JmMZ21926 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21085 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:49:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Maura's LOTR commentary In-Reply-To: <94.1f2a8308.2962b3fe@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:49:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > Yes! 50 meters! And my fiance' wants me to make him that costume! The > price may just kill me. Anyone know where I can get black guaze real cheap? > Also, it seemed to me that I'd have to make it shorter if he won't be > mounted, since there'd be cloth trailing all over the floor. I also make > carved boiled leather armor, so he wants me to replicate the plate armor of > the King of the Nazgul. (I do chainmail too sometimes.) I'm wondering what > other small requests he'll be making of me...LOL Sounds like it's time for him to learn to sew / make leather armor / make chain mail! ;D -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24470 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:36:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02K6pd03841; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02K61Z00705; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02K4GZ29721 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:04:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA23492 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:05:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? -- Mara On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > For those of you who missed the invitation for the > communities the first time - here it is again. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 14:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24548 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:42:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02KDod04844; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KD1Z03818; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hagbard.io.com (IDENT:root@hagbard.io.com [199.170.88.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KCeZ03650 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:12:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (chiara@localhost) by hagbard.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g02KDJM04655 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:13:19 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hagbard.io.com: chiara owned process doing -bs From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:13:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Ya know. I opened my mail this morning and expected a lot of spam and got none. BUT my alternate email address got spammed out of h - e - double sticks! :( -- Sincerely, Chiara Francesca chiara@io.com On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? -- Mara On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > For those of you who missed the invitation for the > communities the first time - here it is again. > > Cheers, > Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24705 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:04:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02KYud07731; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:34:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KY1Z14268; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KX8Z13889 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Ls5C-000O8a-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:33:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1LI$3EAS42M8IwWZ@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - intimate details In-Reply-To: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:31:14 +0000 Status: RO Lady, you need to find you a man :-) I'm more familiar with earlier codpieces than Elizabethan, but as far as I'm aware, they don't really contain the genitals, they just hide the gap. In some cases, the hose really are open in a V at the centre front, so the codpiece is the only thing preserving his modesty (thus the need for shirt or underwear). In other styles, the hose / slops are closed and the codpiece is mostly decorative, maybe functional just because the closure could gape when he moves. The fancy, puffed, elephant trunks etc are just advertising and are stuffed with padding, not with ... him. I think one of the reasons codpieces developed is that hose were tied to the doublet. You can't make a fully closed front without it crossing, and then you would have to untie it from the doublet to open it, which is a pain. The codpiece is separately laced to the top of the hose, not the doublet, so it's easy to let down. I love the idea of wrapping it in his shirt tail, I have a picture of wrapping it up like fish and chips! JEan In message <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net>, Margo@Margospatterns.com writes >At 02:25 PM 01/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: >> >>> I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail >>> and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. >> >>That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the >>back "tails"). > > >Okay, this brings up a new set of questions. Those who do not enjoy >explicit discussions of anatomical detail may wish to move on... > >(Move along, you lot. Nothing here you want to see...) > > > >In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their >functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, but >the center front openings of the slops appear to meet behind them. What's >happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? > >Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded circular >bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question....does just >the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow supposed to hold the scrotum >as well? > >And just how does one accomplish that wrapping the shirt tail around it >first bit? > > >Sorry for the graphic nature of this post, but the question's been bugging >me ever since I fiest saw the book. What that says about me, I don't think I >want to know.... > >Margo > >(Blushing) > > >Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns >margospatterns.com -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24757 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:14:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Kiqd09191; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ki1Z19308; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.146]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Kg2Z18373 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:42:45 -0800 Received: from 32.103.32.77 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:42:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.103.32.77] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wools and a little silk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 20:42:45.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[08646DB0:01C193CE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:42:45 -0800 Status: RO I just added an unfinished elizabethan outfit that desperately needs a loving home. I spent tons of time on it only to find it wont quite fit even without the extra 20lbs I've added since cutting it out. I just want a little materials money for it since it isn't completely finished(undergarments) but I'm a compulsive and wont make one the right size with this floating in my shop. I will take pics if anyone is interested. Jennifer Sena stant Designs "mystash" >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: Historic Costume List >Subject: [h-cost] Wools and a little silk >Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:25:58 -0600 (CST) > > >I've just posted a bunch of fabric for sale to the h-cost marketplace >list. If you missed out on the discussion of this, you can join at >. Or, if you prefer, email me >directly and I'll send you a list of what I have available. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:20:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24806 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:20:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Kopd09844; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:50:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ko1Z22202; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldaccessnet.com (bluedot.worldaccessnet.com [207.14.97.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g02KmlZ21613 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:48:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27912 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 20:53:46 -0000 Received: from max4-21.worldaccessnet.com (HELO premiombquant) (207.14.99.73) by mail.worldaccessnet.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 20:53:46 -0000 Message-ID: <008201c193d0$2a16c320$89a0fea9@premiombquant> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: "historic costume" , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:57:58 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball at = the Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, what = recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? I = probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village = curtains here I come). Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or = those carry-on-a-stick variety? ANY HELP? Thanks, Sidne/ In the SCA, Estrelda ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to = be a masked ball at the Art Museum.  Since I have never been so brave as = to go there, what recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse = to wear?  I probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value = Village curtains here I come). 
 
Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with = elastic things or those carry-on-a-stick variety? 
 
ANY HELP? 
 
Thanks,
 
Sidne/
In the SCA, Estrelda
------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C1938D.1A69D5E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 2 15:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24834 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:29:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g02Kxpd11112; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Kx0Z26633; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe61.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02KwMZ26320 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:58:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:59:04 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [128.95.177.85] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume From: Cruiskeen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008201c193d0$2a16c320$89a0fea9@premiombquant> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2002 20:59:04.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FCDE9E0:01C193D0] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 12:59:03 -0800 Status: RO I heard that the ball was for members at the $150 level only... is that not true or are you a big museum donor? Or is this a different event-- please tell. > From: "Sidne Kneeland" > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:57:58 -0800 > To: "historic costume" , > > Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume > > Greetings, > > For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball at the > Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, what > recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? I > probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village curtains here > I come). > > Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or those > carry-on-a-stick variety? > > ANY HELP? > > Thanks, > > Sidne/ > In the SCA, Estrelda > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30030 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037ITd21498; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:18:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037I2u03596; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01f.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.236]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g02LSeu03684 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10875 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:21:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jan 2002 21:21:54 -0000 Message-ID: <00ee01c193d3$97f6c900$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <008201c193d0$2a16c320$89a0fea9@premiombquant> Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:22:33 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Portland Maine or Portland Oregon? or another state yet? I could go to Portland Maine. Rowena ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidne Kneeland To: historic costume ; KitchenPicnicTable@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume Greetings, For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball = at the Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, = what recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? = I probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village = curtains here I come). Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or = those carry-on-a-stick variety? ANY HELP? Thanks, Sidne/ In the SCA, Estrelda ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Portland Maine or Portland = Oregon?  or another state yet?
I could go to Portland = Maine.
Rowena
 ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C193A9.AEB2E400-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30034 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:50:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037KRd21580; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037KMu04115; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Ldou10024 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:39:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-23-240.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.23.240]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR11268; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:39:43 GMT Message-ID: <01ab01c193d6$828938c0$e8294ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Mano Mexican jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:43:25 -0000 Status: RO Remember the mexican jacket I was looking for a pattern for ? Well I made it ! Unfortunatly my reched son has grown since I started it so I'm putting it up at auction so I can buy more leather !! Thought you might like to see it b4 it goes ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1685307526 Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30043 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:53:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Nid21690; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Ncu04876; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g02Maqu10610 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:36:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-357.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.97.103]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g02ManD40391 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:36:50 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Loonie King George the Threeth Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:38:37 +1100 Status: RO the film called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" The US marketers left off the III because they thought Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel Yep, the sequel fear is true. The film is based upon a play called The Madness of King George III, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30047 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Opd21817; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Oju05231; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g030EAu01067 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:14:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19992 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:29:06 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:29:06 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? I haven't had a noticeable influx. Also, it's not a mailing list. I chose the option to get a weekly update on what's been posted to the site, and I read messages on the site. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30051 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037P1d21825; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Ovu05277; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:24:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g030OAu04888 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 964 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 00:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.33) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 00:26:03 -0000 Message-ID: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:22:42 -0500 Status: RO Well, I have issues with blood and gore and ick. I know that. It cost me $304.28 plus admission price to see "Raiders of the Lost Ark" as that's what the ambulance cost after I passed out. So...even though I'd been warned, by people who know my tolerance and love me, I went off to see LOTR yesterday. I didn't pass out. However, I left the theatre twice to throw up, and continued doing so for about 2 hours after the movie. I can't tell you many costume details, because I was pretty miserable and my head was buried in my husband's chest. We were with a group, and we drove another couple, so leaving wasn't in the picture, darn it. I'm HORRIBLY upset with myself. I was dumb. But I'd been waiting *30* years for someone to do the movies right... Somehow I don't think the 2 sequels are in my future. Jeanne hating that she's a wimp. "English doesn't borrow from other languages - English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30055 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037P9d21841; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037P4u05314; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g030tou15638 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p699-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.191]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA11644 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:55:43 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p699-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.191] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005b01c193f0$84f0eb20$bfc2adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:49:35 +1300 Status: RO > I didn't think Galadriel's dress was made of lace fabric. It was pretty huge > up there on the screen, and it looked like a sort of beaded gauze scarf from > India that I used to have and love. It hung like gauze, anyway, not like > lace You are right, it was not lace. I have no idea how anyone could think that. What I did notice was the wide seam allowances as the light shone through the fabric. I thought the raised areas were beaded. http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1019 I'm certain that the fabric will be a silk too, we are talking about a bloody expensive film;) > I also wouldn't call it Pre-Raphaelite in style. It was much simpler even > than that -- the P-Rs liked smocking and other details. Some of the other > costumes, however, had that influence. It looked like aethetic dress of the very early 20thC, it was influenced by the PRB, but was a lot simpler:), and being of a lter era had other influences too. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30059 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037PJd21859; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037PEu05359; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031DGu21212 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:13:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.145.205.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.145.205] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16LwRY-0000lB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:13:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3C33B020.5A0F831E@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0600 Status: RO Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this question.... > Margo, I'm obviously not a guy, but from the period literature, etc, I think we can assume that the codpiece is purely decorative. I mean, if a guy can remove an orange from his codpiece at the theatre, I really, really doubt that there is anything else squished into the codpiece with it. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30067 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037PYd21905; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037PQu05408; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031GNu22228 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:16:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip182.vanc9.pacifier.com [66.43.2.182]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g031Fbe07844 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor hood Message-ID: <3C3341A9.9432.215523@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.20020101105737.01795ba0@mail.frys.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:21:45 -0800 Status: RO > P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics > and I'm totaly stumped. In case she doesn't speak up, one of the best hood methods I've seen so far is done by Jean Waddie. http://www.montgomerie.demon.co.uk/enghood/enghood1.htm Have fun! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30071 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:55:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Phd21933; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Pbu05469; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:25:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031X6u27961 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.145.205.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.145.205] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Lwkg-0003Jp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:33:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:32:51 -0600 Status: RO Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > I've drafted a pattern based on the 1585-1600 shirt in the Museum > of Costume at Bath, as shown in the Janet Arnold shirts and smocks article. > So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've been researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've come to the conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to have been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your experience? I'm recreating the blackworked shirt from the diagram right now. The spot motifs are in QEW, so I've got the whole thing to scale even. It's been lots of fun. ;> > > Can anyone steer me toward documentation for these practices, either written > or (oh please!) pictorial? I'd also be interested in hearing from men > who've worn their shirts this way. > My SO finds it uncomfortable. BTW, at least part of the reason for the length is that shorter shirts pull out easily. The first period length shirt I made him was an experiment made from an old holey sheet, and now I have had to add strips to all his other shirts, because he won't wear them anymore otherwise. ;> I think I have a bit about how shirts were worn somewhere. Now I just need to dig through my stuff and find it.... In case you would like to see it, my half finished site is at: http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/index.html Now the Christmas is over, I hope to have it completed by the end of January. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:56:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30076 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Qvd21994; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:26:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Qqu05711; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031dSu29943 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.130] (as3-4-144.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.130]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g031dOq13243 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:39:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> <006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:43:13 -0800 Status: RO At 12:29 AM -0500 1/2/02, Penny Ladnier wrote: >The Color Marketing group is actually the largest color organization for >people in the color related industries. I'm thinking of forwarding that link to some linguists I know who work on the linguistics of color terms. One of the interesting trends you see historically is that an increase in common color words in a language (that is, words that people think of as "ordinary" words for colors, rather than ad hoc descriptions) goes hand in hand with the "marketing" of a wider variety of stable and reproducible manufactured colors for objects. One of the more significant "explosions" in color words in European languages seems to have paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth industry that involved regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth. It doesn't seem to have been so much the ability to reliably produce particular colors and shades, but the desire to be able to label these different colors and shades for commercial purposes. In which case, the Color Marketing group is simply the ridiculous extreme of a long historic process. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:56:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30080 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:56:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037RBd22018; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037R3u05766; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031qTu03799 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:52:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.137] (pm4-137.eos.net [205.133.149.137]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27486; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:48:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201021455.g02EtBZ28185@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Status: RO LOTR was indeed not a fictional account of Tolkien's experiences in WWII. For one thing, he wasn't in WWII (fighting, anyway -- he was certainly in England during WWII). And anyway, he wrote it and all his other related stuff during most of his adult life. While any author's works can fairly be said to be influenced by his/her experiences, LOTR isn't about WWII or WWI. If it's "about" anything, it's simply making up a new epic and turning it into a novel. The man knew every epic that ever was backwards and forwards, all he had to do was pick up a pen and epic stuff just flowed out. Personally, I love these books and I think the man was an amazing writer. I am on tenterhooks to see how the movies handle the coming epic battles -- the Riders of Rohan and the seige of Mordor -- and particularly the deaths of Theoden and Denethor. But if you don't like them, well, then, you don't like them. Nothing we have to argue about, surely? There's a lot of costume stuff to talk about from the movie, let's stick to that. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30084 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037RKd22028; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037RFu05818; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g031qUu03807 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.137] (pm4-137.eos.net [205.133.149.137]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27486; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:48:34 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201021455.g02EtBZ28185@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 20:45:51 -0500 Status: RO LOTR was indeed not a fictional account of Tolkien's experiences in WWII. For one thing, he wasn't in WWII (fighting, anyway -- he was certainly in England during WWII). And anyway, he wrote it and all his other related stuff during most of his adult life. While any author's works can fairly be said to be influenced by his/her experiences, LOTR isn't about WWII or WWI. If it's "about" anything, it's simply making up a new epic and turning it into a novel. The man knew every epic that ever was backwards and forwards, all he had to do was pick up a pen and epic stuff just flowed out. Personally, I love these books and I think the man was an amazing writer. I am on tenterhooks to see how the movies handle the coming epic battles -- the Riders of Rohan and the seige of Mordor -- and particularly the deaths of Theoden and Denethor. But if you don't like them, well, then, you don't like them. Nothing we have to argue about, surely? There's a lot of costume stuff to talk about from the movie, let's stick to that. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:57:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30088 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:57:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037RTd22050; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037ROu05858; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g032E4u10404 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.12.119.16]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020103021405.FHVH16985.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:14:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3C33BE8F.4F46F2BF@home.com> From: mellowe@home.com Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-AtHome0407 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor hood References: <4.1.20020101105737.01795ba0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:14:39 -0500 Status: RO Hi, I found some information on Costumer's Manifesto: Hat's. Millinery and Feathers Links at http://www.costumes.org/pages/hats.htm that might be of some use to you. Once on that page go down past History to How To. There I found two sites, the first was Tudor Gable: Illustrated Step by Step Instructions and Step by step instructions for an English Hood (Gabled Headress). Hope this is of some use. Lynne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > P.S. How does one make a Tudor style gable hood? I've looked at a lot of pics > and I'm totaly stumped. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30092 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:57:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037SBd22118; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037S5u06050; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20301.mail.yahoo.com (web20301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g033LRu27920 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:21:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020103032127.86490.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.110.20] by web20301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:21:27 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Finally...I have found my true sewing New Year's Resolution Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 19:21:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO [forgive me if the list is just posting slowly and this turns up twice, but I think I forgot to hit "send"] This year I am going to create The Ultimate Singing and Harping Dress -- a splendiferous, stupendous, drop-dead, knock-out, eat-your-hearts-out-you-pitiful-peasants dress! Right now I'm thinking in terms of Folkwears Afghani Nomad Dress with the bodice in Hot Potatoes' burgundy and spruce-green cross-dyed velvet (fabric looks burgundy, but when hot-stamped, the design comes up green.) I would stamp it with Hot Potatoes' celtic design stamps. I would do the sleeves and the super-duper extra full skirt in green -- maybe crepe, maybe rayon -- not sure yet. Here's the theory -- having such a glorious gown to wear would surely inspire me to practice more!!! Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:57:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30096 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:57:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037SLd22144; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037SGu06104; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g034IAu18434 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 13212 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 04:18:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.96) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 04:18:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 22:19:25 -0600 Status: RO Greetings to all Having returned from a long hiatus during which I missed you all immensely, I of course immediately have a question. There may be a simple answer, and if so, I'm sure someone on this list will have it. On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go to http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html and click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). What is happening here? Are these just decorative? Here for example--go to http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/veronese/z_other/ and click on "Portrait of a Venetian Woman"--they look pretty vestigial, but that's much later. I was just going to put up my new calendar, and look how much trouble I got into! Many thanks for any enlightenment that you can offer. Melanie Schuessler p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century Flemish Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30100 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:58:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Sld22180; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Sbu06208; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0352Fu01563 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-138.radiks.net ([206.29.243.140] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16M017-0003K7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:02:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102225951.00aa1ab0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR - Rivendell - oops Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:01:16 -0600 Status: RO I mis-remembered which city I wanted to talk about. It wasn't Rivendell that looked like it was designed by Roland, it was Lothlorien. Sandy >>Rivendell was pretty even if it did look like Thomas Kinkade designed it.\\ > >Well, actually it resembled Marc Roland's (a fantasy artist I've been >seeing at SF conventions since 1982) design more, but Kinkade is more >recognizable to most people, and pretty accurate also. We've been going >to cons and buying art for 20 years or so, so just trying to keep artist's >names straight is hard sometimes. > >Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30104 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:58:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Srd22192; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Smu06259; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035Jnu06421 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:19:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPCK5100.G1E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:19:49 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:16:25 -0800 Status: RO Read the "Letters" edited by Humphrey Carpenter. I don't know if it's i nthere, but his letters to Christopher during that war are there. Doesn't seem to be what he's consciously thinking of, anyway. The war he went through himself was WWI. Far more to the point is his unhappiness over the industrialization of England and the devastation of the countrisude. However, as this is WAY off topic, let's just drop this, ok? MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Margretta de Vries > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 10:26 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR > > > You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Azelana@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:37 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR > > > In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was > *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie > (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's > shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a > cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> > > Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical > account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a > fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should > warn > you. > > --Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30108 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:58:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037TBd22213; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037T5u06464; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035Uiu09180 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPCKN800.91L for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:44 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:27:20 -0800 Status: RO Apparently that time they imagined we *would* get it, without needing a number, as long as they said "King". George III is probably the only King George most Americans under 60 have ever heard of! :) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kate M Bunting > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone > > > Alan Bennett's play is called "The madness of George III". According > to www.snopes2.com, the reason for the change of title for the film > was not so much the oft-quoted "people would think it was a sequel", > as a perceived need to add the word "King" for the benefit of > American audiences. > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > >>> gailscott@eos.net 01/02/02 02:33pm >>> > > I heard a radio interviewer ask this very question. The answer is not that > Americans are too stupid to know what the philosopher's stone is, but that > the marketers thought "sorcerer" would sound more exciting to American kids > than "philosopher." I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also > imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. > > The same person being interviewed (I forget who it was) said that the film > called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either > "King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" -- British folks, > please enlighten us. The US marketers left off the III because they thought > Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel -- you know, > coming after "The Madness of King George II." > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30112 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037TZd22257; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037TRu06571; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035VZu09511 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:31:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPCKOO00.E1V for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:31:36 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:28:11 -0800 Status: RO LOL, just put "Teddy" in both fields. We'll know who you are! MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Teddy > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:20 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question > > > > > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For > > > those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my > > > (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed > > > up through the site do require approval. > > I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field > and I don't have one. > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30116 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:59:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Tod22294; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Tju06663; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035ZZu10548 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035a6u24862 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102233525.00a3e3f0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] HCostume fabric sell or swap... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:37:18 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Nope you shouldn't. I've been part of various communities for over a year and have never received any spam from them ever. They only email you should ever receive is if someone posts something to the site. That's one of the reasons I like this set-up. Besides, you can log in from anywhere. Cheers, Danielle At 03:05 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Will joining this community mean I get deluged with tons of spam? > >-- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 01:59:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30120 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037U2d22347; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Tvu06713; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035dYu11424 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035e6u25709 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:40:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102233958.03469070@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020101221439.02d22e90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:41:38 -0600 Status: RO That is an excellent suggestion, so consider this past one January's. : ) Honestly I didn't even think of including the H-Costume email address. Sorry. I will remember that for next time. Cheers, Danielle At 10:15 PM 1/1/2002 -0800, you wrote: >It really is for h-cost members. You should probably post an invitation >to the >list (as you just did) on a monthly basis or so, because our population is >constantly changing. > >When you returned the "rejection" notice, did you send the h-cost signup >address? We don't want to lose good new members just because they're >knocking on >the back door :) > >MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:00:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30132 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:00:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037UMd22369; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037UFu06800; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035dZu11426 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035e7u25714 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234143.0346c2c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200201020637.g026bQZ12351@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:43:24 -0600 Status: RO At 03:20 PM 1/2/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > Even though, I started it, I consider it the list's community. For > > > those who used the list "invitation" to sign up they don't need my > > > (the community administrator's) approval. However, those who signed > > > up through the site do require approval. > >I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field >and I don't have one. > >Teddy Teddy, Evilbunny for a surname was a good idea or put Teddy twice. : ) Or just make one up. Unfortunately that isn't something I can control. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:00:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30136 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037UWd22383; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037URu06850; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g035dZu11431 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g035e7u25718 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:40:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234151.0346a130@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list In-Reply-To: <44.18c5e0dd.29649e05@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:42:38 -0600 Status: RO You have been approved Lalah. Unfortunately, that part means you have to wait until I log in again. I try and do that at least once a day. Cheers, Danielle At 12:31 PM 1/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Somehow I missed out on the original and didn't get signed up (at least I >don't think I did) and now they are making me go through the whole >application thing. I did it, but have not been "approved" yet. What a >bummer. If I am not approved I will just forget it. Does that tell you >how us "outsiders" feel? > >Lalah >Never Give up, Never Surrender, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30140 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:00:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037Udd22395; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037UYu06877; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0367Yu18194 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g03682u01540 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:08:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234327.03410060@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <5B682C43924@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200201020637.g026bQZ12351@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Administrative stuff for The H-Costume swap & sell community Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:04:44 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, After yesterday's little discussion on the list, the main ground rule we have so far is: No one will have their membership application accepted if they don't include a name and email address. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32243 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:09:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g037V4d22471; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037Uwu06993; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from agamemnon.cnchost.com (agamemnon.cnchost.com [207.155.252.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g037FLu03081 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:15:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer ([216.193.19.16]) by agamemnon.cnchost.com id CAA29153; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:15:20 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201021455.g02EtDZ28205@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR Costume Details: Hobbits Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:12:34 -0800 Status: RO >>Not too sure, having worn costumes made up by the same people, darts are >>almost certainly out. >>All the costumes I wore and saw in the costume rooms at PR were flatlined, >>and used seams for shaping. We are talking from ancient fantasy(Xena) to >>18thC fantasy(JoAT) to furturistic fantasy(Cleo). She did not like darts:). >>Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted and yes, >>polyboning ... Michaela, Thanks for the info. Shaping seams is so much better, but out here (LA/Hollywood) it's hard to convince folks that going the historic root, vs darts, is hard sometimes. Did you get a good look at the hobbit blouses??? How are the sleeves done on the women??? What I could see, looked like elastic, at least in the sleeves... but am curios. For everyone looking for Hobbit pictures, I did find some of the "Hero Hobbits", but lost the links.... tomorrow I'll send it. BTW, for those not up on the LOTR terms. "Hero" was used for any of the detailed costumes for close up camera work. Each race had them. These costumes had a lot more details. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 02:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08499 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:53:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g038O8d24465; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:24:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g038O0u18810; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g038NKu18701 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:23:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.3.165]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPC009C6SMVXT@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Kat and violence in LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C341483.6C3495C4@pacbell.net> Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <79.20aeba5d.2962c11c@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:21:23 -0800 Status: RO Gillian wrote: Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. No it isn't metaphore, and Tolkien says so very clearly. I've been reading it recently in a one-volume reprint I bought myself for Christmas 2000 (Houghton Mifflin, ISBN 0-395-97468-2). I don't mean to be argumentative, but here are his own words. In the forward to the second edition, first published in October 1965, (he deleted the first forward), Professor Tolkien wrote, "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical . . . The crucial chapter, 'The Shadow of the Past', is one of the oldest parts of the tale. It was written long before the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable disaster, and from that point the story would have developed along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been averted. Its sources are things long before in mind, or in some cases already written, and little or nothing in it was modified by the war that began in 1939 or its sequels." Tolkein goes on to say that if the book had followed WWII, the Ring would have been used agains Sauron "not annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied." He goes on for a couple more paragraphs on this line, but then says that an author cannot write and be completely separated from the world around him. He reminds his readers that he was caught up in WWI and that was just as bad as WWII for many people; all but one of his close friends were dead by 1918. However, he says that the book was already in his mind before there were even threats of another war. LynnD Having read it first at the tender age of 11 or12 in (oh my God) 1963-44 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was > *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie > (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's > shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a > cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> > > > > --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14064 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:55:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039Q6d26991; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Q0u01344; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Nbu00931 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Ljr14292 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002409.017987c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sorcerer's stone vs. philosopher's stone In-Reply-To: References: <200112300025.fBU0PRZ12809@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:25:32 -0800 Status: RO I have to agree that that's probably true, but I also >imagine it's irrelevant, considering the worldwide popularity of the book. I just hears someone say that there was an exit poll of grade-school-age children after some showing of Harry Potter, and a few of the interviewees said they liked it but the book was better! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:56:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14068 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:56:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039R6d27036; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Qxu01505; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Ndu00943 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Llr14295 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002621.01797b80@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002621.01797b80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <5B5980757A7@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200112310733.fBV7XJZ05375@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - II Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:29:16 -0800 Status: RO >> I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail >> and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. > >That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the >back "tails"). 'scuse me for being a Yank, but I thought the front and back were both tails, hence the plural. But then, my plumbing is different than yours is. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:59:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14077 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:59:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039Tld27175; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Tgu02019; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Nfu00951 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Lnr14298 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:49 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103003040.01797f10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Why I got into Costume In-Reply-To: <006201c193a6$872b4a60$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <3C31D3C6.179A2CAD@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020102030520.01788d10@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:32:19 -0800 Status: RO >My interest is very broad over the entire culture. My husband has traveled >all over Egypt. For our 30 wedding anniversary, we are planning to stay in >Egypt for a month. Since we are only at our 23rd year presently, we have a >lot of time for planning. Go for it! I wish I had the means to go there, and about 30 other ethnic places (many of which are not safe for those of us with blue eyes). >Did you see the four hour special on A&E last night about the pharaohs? No TV, so I missed it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:59:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14081 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:59:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039Tud27198; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Tou02056; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Nhu00959 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Lpr14302 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103003325.00a84550@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - III Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:29:48 -0800 Status: RO >In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their >functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the genitals, I heard two (unsubstantiated) stories about what actually went into late-period codpieces like those, and it was nothing anatomical. One was the story of some man producing an orange from his codpiece and offering it to a lady. The other was of different man hiding his coins in there, and still having his 'pocket' picked. -snip- >Okay, I don't have the right plumbing to really answer this with any real >authority, but I have heard stories that that pocket behind the codpiece was >just that, a pocket, to put stuff, like coins, etc, not one's uhm-person. I >have always understood that the codpiece was just a cover of the split in >the slops, since early in the tudor period they weren't using buttons. Earlier flap-style codpiece-things were probably just to cover the center-front gap between the two legs of the hose. Later shaped ones could contain anatomy, my guess being after it was wrapped in a shirt tail to help contain it. Later garments, like the ones in Janet Arnold, actually lace together behind the codpiece, precluding the codpiece's use for containing anatomy. But these are hollow, so something else could be put in there. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 03:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14085 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:59:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g039U5d27239; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:30:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Txu02091; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g039Niu00966 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:23:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-128.frys.com [66.121.20.128]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g039Lhr14287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 01:21:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020103002201.0179c6b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - I Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:29:28 -0800 Status: RO >I've also seen a list of clothing issued to English soldiers at this period, >including shirts but not drawers, which made me wonder idly whether the >common man perhaps didn't wear them? I think this is true (with long shirt tails, you don't need them). But then again, many men today don't wear them ;) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 04:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14230 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:39:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03AA7d28718; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03AA1u09542; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03A9Vu09448 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-219-164.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.219.164]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D81437BA2 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:09:28 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk><006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:33:17 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: One of the more significant "explosions" in color words in European languages seems to have paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth industry that involved regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth. It doesn't seem to have been so much the ability to reliably produce particular colors and shades, but the desire to be able to label these different colors and shades for commercial purposes. That's a very interesting obseravtion. Do you know of any literature = about this? Up to now (as you know I 'do' 1250-1350) I have not found = many colour names in 'my' period, just (in translation) red, darkred or = carmine, blue and darkblue (perse), 'brun' ( a problem colour in the way = of describing it properly), green, grey, black, uncoloured and mixed, = and very rarely purple. No yellow to speak off. In which case, the Color Marketing group is simply the ridiculous extreme of a long historic process. I would stress the word 'rediculous'. The whole lot reminds me of my = education and years in advertising. Best soonest forgotten. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
One of the more significant
"explosions" in color words in = European languages seems to have
paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth = industry that involved
regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth.  It = doesn't seem to have
been so much the ability to reliably produce = particular colors and
shades, but the desire to be able to label these = different colors and
shades for commercial purposes. 
 
That's a very interesting obseravtion. Do you know of any = literature about this? Up to now (as you know I 'do' 1250-1350) I have not found = many colour names in 'my' period, just (in translation) red, darkred or = carmine, blue and darkblue (perse), 'brun' ( a problem colour in the way of = describing it properly), green, grey, black, uncoloured and mixed, and very = rarely purple. No yellow to speak off.
 
In which case, the Color Marketing
group is simply the = ridiculous extreme of a long historic process.

I would stress the word 'rediculous'. The whole lot reminds me of my education and years in advertising. Best soonest forgotten.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own domain: www.scapreel.nl
 
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C19442.0EC309E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 04:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14243 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:45:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03AG6d28897; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03AG1u14658; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f214.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.214]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03AEqu10529 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:14:50 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.41 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:14:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.41] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2002 10:14:50.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A915580:01C1943F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:14:50 -0800 Status: RO I could go to Portland OR!! Is there a specific theme? Historic period? It sounds like a blast. Jennifer >From: "Rowena" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] masked ball costume >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 16:22:33 -0500 > >Portland Maine or Portland Oregon? or another state yet? >I could go to Portland Maine. >Rowena > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sidne Kneeland > To: historic costume ; KitchenPicnicTable@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:57 PM > Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume > > > Greetings, > > For anybody in the Portland area, there is going to be a masked ball at >the Art Museum. Since I have never been so brave as to go there, what >recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse to wear? I >probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value Village curtains >here I come). > > Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed with elastic things or >those carry-on-a-stick variety? > > ANY HELP? > > Thanks, > > Sidne/ > In the SCA, Estrelda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 05:07:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14339 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:07:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Ac9d29653; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Ac1u27909; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Aafu27711 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:36:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMQSZMTDS00DEMK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:38:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMQSXWKRE00D4SP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:38:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:34:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:33:33 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:33:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR In-reply-to: <200201021740.g02HeAZ16799@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2A458315A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:33:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I didn't think Galadriel's dress was made of lace fabric. It was > pretty huge up there on the screen, and it looked like a sort of > beaded gauze scarf from India that I used to have and love. It hung > like gauze, anyway, not like lace. It sure looked like it to me. Actually, more like net-curtain fabric with sparkles (sequins or beads, I couldn't tell) sewn all over.... > I enjoyed the costumes very much, even if I did't care for them all > personally. What a nice job everyone did. Absolutely. As I say, Galadriel'sfrock was the only jarring moment in the film for me and for the most part (appart from really liking the hobbit-girl look) The costumes went un-noticed in the general enjoyment of the film anyway. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 05:17:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14408 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:17:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Am5d00220; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Am0u29842; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Ajfu29392 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01544.; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:53:01 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:45:42 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g03Ajfu29392 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:45:14 +0000 Status: RO Gwyn Carnegie wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> Ever looked for a deep blue shirt in what appears to be a sea of the >same french blue shirt? Ever walked through a mall looking for a certain >item in a certain color and noticed that every seems to have the variations >on the same garment but not in the color you wanted? Yes, it seems like every time I decide I need a garment of a particular colour, that shade is unobtainable that year. This season I wanted a top in a dark oxblood red (to go with a print skirt I have) and all the reds are bright, even one calling itself "burnt red"! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 05:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14543 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03BC6d01217; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:12:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BC0u04286; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BAPu04020 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:10:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMRYSZL2800C7NU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMRYSF5HE00DKG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:12:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:08:00 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:07:35 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:07:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: RE: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community In-reply-to: <200201021740.g02HeAZ16799@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <335960B28@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:07:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I wouldn't be able to register at all as Surname is a required field > > and I don't have one. > > Maybe, for the purposes of the list, you could use Evilbunny? I'd really rather not. I have a long and involved set of issues with "petty officialdom" requring Surnames, when they aren't a legal requirement, and insisting on adding titles (Mr, Mrs, Mis, Ms etc) to names when they aren't actually *part* of anybody's name but an outmoded and completely unnecessary form of address that people should have the *choice* of attaching to their names or not. The advent of widespread computer systems has made the whole thing worse. iv'e had to threaten places like banks and my employer with legal action under Data Protection laws for knowingly keeping inaccurate personal information on their databases because their systems had been set up with Surname and Title as mandatory fields that couldn't be left blank so they had me listed as Mr T. Teddy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 06:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14653 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Bd6d02463; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:39:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Bd0u09481; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BbJu09203 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMSX7HISG00BME7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:39:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMSX6RNB400CV4O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:39:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:55 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: <200201021906.g02J6AZ01515@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3AA3056A0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:34:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their > functionality. Yes, they look as if they could contain the > genitals, but the center front openings of the slops appear to meet > behind them. What's happening here? Wouldn't things get...pinched? Speaking form the 15th century perspective here (and it shouldn't be that much digfferent for 16th century, on the assumption that the inner layers of the trunk-hose aren't as baggy as the outer so the genetalia wouldn't just hang inside the trunks in the way it would in modern boxer shorts).... most of my fitted/sewn hose have a similar arrangement (the codpieces just aren't shaped/padded like the 16th century ones) and the edges of the front openings part around the base of the genitals and don't pinch at all. > Also, the one codpiece we see the inside of shows a nicely padded > circular bit. Oh heavens, there is no ladylike way to ask this > question....does just the penis go in the codpiece or is it somehow > supposed to hold the scrotum as well? Provided the space inside the codpiece is big enough, it quite comfortably holds both. > And just how does one accomplish that wrapping the shirt tail around > it first bit? Speaking for myself... I sort of pouch the bottom of the shirt front so that the bottom edge is nestled behind (underneath and up both sides of) the scrotum and the resultant "package" or pouchfull sits comfortably inside the codpiece and neatly does away with the worry of flashing the world if the codpiece should come unfastened. I hope this is of some help (and the sys-admin people here at work have no problems with the content...) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 06:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14684 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:20:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03Bp7d03032; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Bp0u11417; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03BoCu11291 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 04:50:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMTD7WG0G00BME7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMTD78WD600DKG9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:52:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:25 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. In-reply-to: <200201030735.g037ZNu08017@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3DF9C5FD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:47:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > You are right, it was not lace. I have no idea how anyone could think > that. What I did notice was the wide seam allowances as the light > shone through the fabric. I thought the raised areas were beaded. > http://www.theonering.net/movie/scrapbook/large/1019 I'm certain that > the fabric will be a silk too, we are talking about a bloody expensive > film;) What it's actually made of is ireelevant. It *looks* like the "lace" fabric that started appearing on market stalls (here at least) in the 80s, some of which comes pre-sequinned. I once bought some of the black version (un-sequinned) to make a "goth" outfit for my cousin... but that wasn't meant to look in any way classy. The stuff used in the film might be pure silk and hand beaded, for all I know, but it still looks like cheap tacky 1980's nylon lace with sparkly bits added to me. Teddy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 06:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14814 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:36:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03C77d03711; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03C70u14520; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03C58u14069 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:05:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCMTVPKS2O00BME7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:07:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCMTVOZG7M00CLCW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:07:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:46 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts - II In-reply-to: <200201031144.g03Biou10461@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <41F44597C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 12:02:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the > >back "tails"). > > 'scuse me for being a Yank, but I thought the front and back were both > tails, hence the plural. But then, my plumbing is different than > yours is. You may well be right, techinically, Kayta. I have no idea. All I know is that if someone mentions "shirt-tails" I think of the bit that hangs doen at the *back* not the front. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16043 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03DeMd07592; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03De1u02683; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03DdBu02410 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23173 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:54:18 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Administrative stuff for The H-Costume swap & sell community In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020102234327.03410060@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:54:18 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > After yesterday's little discussion on the list, the main ground rule > we have so far is: > > No one will have their membership application accepted if they don't > include a name and email address. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? They have to be on h-cost. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16275 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:40:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03EB6d09625; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03EB0u09750; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03EACu09563 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23309 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:25:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:25:18 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please > consider the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if > you will, the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see > that the bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be > interpreted as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single > spiral lace holding the dress together. The top four, however, seem > to lay horizontally without passing through the dark dots and without > the necessary connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. > > Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no > diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her > overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be > laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still > doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go > to http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html and > click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). > > What is happening here? Are these just decorative? I noticed the same thing last week when I put up my calendar, and decided that these are probably just a poor rendering. One of the things I'm wondering is how much the image has been enlarged. Sometimes in reproductions you get a very large picture of something that was extremely small to begin with. On my wall I have a National Gallery poster of a Raphael angel who's reprinted in at least 3/4 life-size, but in the original, she's all of five or six inches tall. That explains some significant losses in costume details -- e.g. a string of beads with spaces in between and no connecting cord. In the original, the beads look connected because the spaces are so tiny as to be invisible (and the cord would have been impossible to paint). In this case, on the turbaned lady, I think we do have an impression of the diagonals, but very sketchy and not accurately placed: they appear as shadowy pale red horizontal lines in the white space between the dominant laces. As for the fact they don't go through the holes, either it's a mistake, or there's a convention of putting lacing rings on the inside behind decorative dots on the edging. Again, a significant enlargement would explain this loss of accuracy in detail. Ditto for the lady in the back. Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings (which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and organized. Or the "laces" may be sewn in for decorative effect -- vestigial, as you suggest. This ornamentation does show up eventually, I think. But I wouldn't read a whole lot into the use of laces with a gathered overgarment. This is an altarpiece, and these are almost certainly Biblical/historial figures. In this period, I've found loads of fanciful dresses on such characters that combine elements of "fantasy" or "historical" dress with modern fashionable details, often in physically incompatible ways. (Melanie, if you saw my sideless surcote lecture, you might remember an image of a saint in a sideless surcote that had the currently fashionable 15th-century V-neck, complete with black inset panel, grafted into it.) > p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century > Flemish Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. Yes, I've got her for my collection. In fact, I think I got her "live" at the Cluny, but I still haven't sorted all my tapestry slides (at least 200 of them) that I took in Paris a year ago. I am despairing of figuring out the titles/dates for all those images. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 08:46:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16321 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g03EH7d10031; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03EH0u11026; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20710.mail.yahoo.com (web20710.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.183]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g03EE7u10439 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:14:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020103141410.23879.qmail@web20710.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20710.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:14:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:14:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO The LOTR was written by Tolkein as part of what he saw as giving back to England part of her native folklore, on which alot of the book is written. To get a better view of this you should read the Silmarillion which is truely his masterpeice. It is a collection of stories, myths etc from middle earth. Tolkein borrowed from Anglo-Saxon myths, and elvish is in part based on Anglo Saxon. Not much to do with wars etc! Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:37:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19457 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0417Qd17060; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04172s09125; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03FCps00714 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:12:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 14336678 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:24:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@c hstfld1.va.home.com> <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:12:38 -0500 Status: RO Mel said: >I make early Anglo Saxon brooches see www.pastclass.com Nice stuff! For myself, I'm having a blast making various pieces. If any turn out particularly well, I might make a few extra for sale myself, especially since we seem to be interested in different pieces. Good luck with yours! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:39:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19463 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:39:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0419Nd17233; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0419Is09832; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from eris.io.com (IDENT:root@eris.io.com [199.170.88.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03FFBs01891 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (chiara@localhost) by eris.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g03FF5p09072 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:05 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: eris.io.com: chiara owned process doing -bs From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:15:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I also wondered about this picture but for other reasons. That black thing that she is wearing underneath almost looks like a harness of some sort. I took the red lacings to be a mistake honestly and did not really go past that thought. The lady in the back looks more like she was sewn into her over bodice than anything. That is what it looks like when I sew the lacings in front of my bodice cause I did not have the time to make the rings. :) Not the answer your looking for I know, you want some kind of documentation to explain what this is. The best that I can offer is a lady's email address here in Texas that specilizes in this artist rendering of costumes and see if she has an idea. Let me know privately. -- Sincerely, Chiara Francesca chiara@io.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19478 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:43:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Cbd17588; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041CJs10803; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03GuGs01393 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:56:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip180.vanc9.pacifier.com [66.43.2.180]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g03GtUe13877 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery Message-ID: <3C341DE9.14111.37DD14B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:01:29 -0800 Status: RO > On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider > the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, > the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the > bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted > as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding > the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally > without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary > connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. The diagonals are on the back side of the lacings. It was actually a very common lacing pattern. Also, chemises and the like are often laced. You can see this quite well in some of the courtesan's chemises in Lynn Lawner's book on courtesans. Fun calendar, eh! (One of my students has decided that she gets to give me the calendar for Christmas every year. Hey, I'm not going to complain!) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19482 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041CUd17569; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041CEs10757; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03GcYs16973 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.178]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020103163832.EHKO14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:38:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:37:36 -0600 Status: RO I went wandering around that site and found this.. http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? Katie Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Greetings to all > > Having returned from a long hiatus during which I missed you all > immensely, I of course immediately have a question. There may be a > simple answer, and if so, I'm sure someone on this list will have it. > > On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider > the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, > the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the > bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted > as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding > the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally > without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary > connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. > > Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no > diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her > overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be > laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still > doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go > to > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html > and click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). > > What is happening here? Are these just decorative? Here for > example--go to > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/veronese/z_other/ > and click on "Portrait of a Venetian Woman"--they look pretty vestigial, > but that's much later. > > I was just going to put up my new calendar, and look how much trouble I > got into! Many thanks for any enlightenment that you can offer. > > Melanie Schuessler > > p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century Flemish > Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19487 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:44:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041DRd17659; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041CWs10928; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Imds05491 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.c8.20300c29 (18405) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:48:28 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mano Mexican jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:48:37 EST Status: RO --part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a good looking jacket. Too bad kids tend to keep on growing and growing and growing. Not just kids either -- it is a good thing I have just T-tunics and sideless surcoats in my garb wardrobe right now, because I sure overindulged over the holidays. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      It is a good looking jacket.  Too bad kids tend to keep on growing and growing and growing.  Not just kids either -- it is a good thing I have just T-tunics and sideless surcoats in my garb wardrobe right now, because I sure overindulged over the holidays.  

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--part1_c8.20300c29.29660185_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19491 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:44:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041DTd17662; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041COs10846; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03HGrs14506 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:16:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.178]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020103171651.SQZB27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:16:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3491CC.33D55D87@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress References: <002b01c19251$f7547c40$5030c818@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:15:56 -0600 Status: RO Isn't that a bliaut?? Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > Hi, > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > costume ;-) > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > circlet with flowers on my head) > You can see it here. > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg > > I don't mind the dress not being 100% accurate, but if I can make it more > period without making apparent alterations, I'd be happy. So now with my > questions. > > Would you make it with underarm gussets? It is tight-fitting so could it be > laced on the sides? I'm guessing it would probably be made with gores at the > sides and back starting at hip level, but would you also put a gore in > front? How do I obtain the right shape for the train? What shape would you > make the sleeves? > > Are there any other things you can think of that would help me construct the > dress? I've made a bunch of t-tunics already with different widths and > shapes so making a dress without a pattern doesn't really scare me, but > there are things like lacing or sleeves that I have never done yet. > > I'm thinking green silk. Crepe maybe, as it falls nicely and is not too > shiny. Any other ideas for what kind of silk I could use? White linen > underdress, with hidden lacing on the forearm so it's tight-fitting. It will > be long enough that I'm not worried about shoes, so that's not a problem. > I'll try to find false hair to make a very long braid out of and hide the > attachment point under the veil, my hair is way too short to do anything > with. > > Thanks a lot, > Alix > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:49:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19504 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041HLd18305; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gxs12739; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Lm1s12377 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-196-100.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.100]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g03Lm5v10146 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:48:05 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c194a0$b5766d00$64c4abd0@mshome.net> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:50:48 -0800 Status: RO My husband believes that a lot of LOTR was based on Nordic mythology; afterall, there is Gandalf (a lot like Odin), elves, dwarves and "little people" (hobbits). I can see the similarity, at least in the races of characters that were used. ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | /'%, \] | /----'. < `%, || `>> > || ///` /( //( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR > > LOTR was indeed not a fictional account of Tolkien's experiences in WWII. > For one thing, he wasn't in WWII (fighting, anyway -- he was certainly in > England during WWII). And anyway, he wrote it and all his other related > stuff during most of his adult life. While any author's works can fairly be > said to be influenced by his/her experiences, LOTR isn't about WWII or WWI. > If it's "about" anything, it's simply making up a new epic and turning it > into a novel. The man knew every epic that ever was backwards and forwards, > all he had to do was pick up a pen and epic stuff just flowed out. > > Personally, I love these books and I think the man was an amazing writer. I > am on tenterhooks to see how the movies handle the coming epic battles -- > the Riders of Rohan and the seige of Mordor -- and particularly the deaths > of Theoden and Denethor. But if you don't like them, well, then, you don't > like them. Nothing we have to argue about, surely? > > There's a lot of costume stuff to talk about from the movie, let's stick to > that. > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19513 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Kdd18557; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Kas14114; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:20:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gts12691 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17369 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:13:00 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201021740.g02He2Z16685@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: color marketing group Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:10:16 -0500 Status: RO The Color Marketing Group is, in my opinion, a giant scam. They "forecast" colors for the coming year, colors which they also happen to make available to paying customers. Everyone has to use them, because if you don't, then your stuff doesn't match everyone else's stuff. Your carpet lines don't match the current upholstery fabrics, for instance, or your car upholstery vinyl doesn't match the available car paint colors. And they're not cheap! Yes, I have a rather violent opinion of them, and yes, it is an informed opinion. I have worked in the graphic design field for more than a decade, and I have interviewed "forecasters" and gone to seminars they put on. IMHO, it's a terrible trick! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19520 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gnd18248; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gjs12617; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Jles06784 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:47:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.165] (as3-4-179.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.165]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g03JlaI17879 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Loonie King George the Threeth Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:58:44 -0800 Status: RO At 9:38 AM +1100 1/3/02, Christopher Ballis wrote: >the film >called "The Madness of King George" in the USA was originally called either >"King George III" or "The Madness of King George III" The US marketers left >off the III because they thought >Americans would be confused and think it referred to a sequel > > >Yep, the sequel fear is true. The film is based upon a play called The >Madness of King George III, > I think that that interpretation may be more a snide and humorous joke on American pop culture than a likely motivation for the name change. I'd see it as simply a cultural context thing: for a British audience, there were lots of Kings George running around, and even the reference to madness might not immediately pin it down. But for a US audience, there is one extremely salient King George -- if you say "King George" to a USAn with any historical knowledge at all, they will first and foremost think of the George on the throne during our Revolutionary War. So the "III" part is superfluous for identification. (Now, if you wanted to make a movie for a US audience about one of the _other_ Kings George, you might need to include numbers or some other identification.) If US audiences were really that incapable of dealing with movies with numbers in the title, we would have had problems with "Henry V" and "Malcolm X". (And, yes, jokes were made about people interpreting both those titles as involving sequel numbers ... but they were _jokes_, not actual logistical problems.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:52:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19527 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:52:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Mod18818; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Hds13138; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g040fgs00617 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9FD4C60190; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:40:29 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c194b8$5685ff00$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] TV Movie Alert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:39:53 -0500 Status: RO Tonight on A&E is showing the 1st part of the movie Victoria and Albert. The 2nd part airs Friday night. On the east coast of the US, the movie begins at 9 PM and an encore at 1AM. This movie originally aired a few months ago. I really enjoyed it. For more information on this show go to http://www.aande.com/tv/shows/victoria/ Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19532 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Ncd18924; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041His13184; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g040pvs04249 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26280 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 00:51:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jan 2002 00:51:54 -0000 Message-ID: <008e01c194ba$1cba8be0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <005b01c193f0$84f0eb20$bfc2adcb@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Calendar! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:52:40 -0500 Status: RO I just ordered the daily calendar for LoTR. has anyone seen it? The info says: "The Lord of the Rings" Daily Boxed Calendar Based on J.R.R. Tolkien's classic tale of good and evil, this 2002 daily boxed calendar showcases famous characters and settings from the much-heralded new movie. The sturdy plastic frame can rest flat or be propped up for easy viewing. The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring and the characters and the places therein: Copyright The Saul Zaentz Company d/b/a Tolkien Enterprises under license to New Line Productions, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Daily boxed calendar, 6 1/4" x 5 1/4" ISBN #4460 They have datebooks, journals, as well as a "locker" calendar. It is at http://www.cedco.com - anyone ever here of them or the calendar? Rowena ni Dhonnchaidh _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19536 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Nfd18930; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Cjs11007; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:12:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03It1s08583 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.26.2103831a (18405) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <26.2103831a.296602ff@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:54:55 EST Status: RO --part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem. I have spent my fabric allowance and then some at Fabric.com and will have to just wait a while before drooling over any more fabric. Thanks, Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No problem.  I have spent my fabric allowance and then some at Fabric.com and will have to just wait a while before drooling over any more fabric.  Thanks,

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--part1_26.2103831a.296602ff_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19540 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Nmd18949; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041HBs12861; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03MF5s25287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.241.42.43] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 61871346 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:22:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020103032127.86490.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020103032127.86490.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finally...I have found my true sewing New Year's Resolution Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:14:57 -0500 Status: RO It sounds lovely! And what a great resolution! Does Hot Potatoes have an online site? The velvet sounds yummy, and I'd love to look at the stamps.... It was my impression that hot-stamping washes out and needs to be re-done- am I wrong about that? Anyway, it sounds marvellous! I've made the Nomad Dress myself a few times, and it's very comfortable and easy to move in, so I think it's a great choice. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19544 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Nmd18948; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041HGs12911; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldaccessnet.com (bluedot.worldaccessnet.com [207.14.97.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g03Mnns12530 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:49:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 22183 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 22:54:03 -0000 Received: from max6-09.worldaccessnet.com (HELO premiombquant) (207.14.99.161) by mail.worldaccessnet.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2002 22:54:03 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c194aa$21ce3d80$4ebbfea9@premiombquant> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: , "historic costume" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020102134423.02acd0c0@pop.ravenmist.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: masked ball costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:58:14 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Yes, I just looked. It's the masked Parisian Cabaret for Young at Art = members. There an exhibition preview with reception ($100 per person)_ = or the ball and reception ($300 per person). Here is a link for the Young at Art one: http://www.pam.org/museum%20plaza/calendar%20and%20events/calendar%20and%= 20events.html I received a card with an elaborate mask on it and it said 'Le Bal = Masque.' I did see the admission prices but didn't pay much attention. = I wondered what a _real_ masked ball was like, since they seem to have = them at the Art Museum yearly. We are members, as a family, but not = THAT much members. Sidne/ Estrelda in the SCA If it's the masked Parisian Cabaret you are speaking of, it is just a = formal, not costumed and the masks are pretty much whatever you want! If you talking about another one, let me know! -Giliana ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
Yes, I just looked.  It's the masked Parisian = Cabaret for Young at Art members.  There an exhibition preview with = reception ($100 per person)_ or the ball and reception ($300 per person). 
 
Here is a link for the Young at Art one:  =
 
I received a card with an elaborate mask on it and = it said 'Le Bal Masque.'  I did see the admission prices but didn't pay much attention.  I wondered what a _real_ masked ball was like, since = they seem to have them at the Art Museum yearly.   We are members, as a = family, but not THAT much members. 
 
Sidne/
Estrelda in the SCA
 
If it's the masked = Parisian Cabaret you are speaking of, it is just a formal, not costumed and the masks = are pretty much whatever you want!

If you talking about another = one, let me know!

-Giliana

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C19467.11EEF5A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19548 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:53:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041OGd19004; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041HZs13098; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g040QAs25189 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g040Qgu12723 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:26:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:21:06 -0600 Status: RO At 09:25 AM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, >and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings >(which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally >Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing >method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of >the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then >lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, >and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot >of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and >organized. Actually, when I was in the military we used to lace our boots with the straight across lacing and never had any problems with it. I've also seen it done on Italian gowns effective. It was nick-named "ladder lacing" on some email lists. This page has a reasonable explanation of one way of doing it. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19553 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Oxd19143; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041H6s12813; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Lsps15520 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:54:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-196-100.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.100]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g03Lswv10376 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:54:58 -0800 Message-ID: <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:57:42 -0800 Status: RO I mean no offense or to be insensitive, but it looks like you have more than issues with "gore and ick"! I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, they give me nightmares, but "Raiders of the Lost Ark" causing you to have to go to the hospital and "LOTR" making you throw up? My Goodness! I don't know how I would survive life, if I was that sensitive! ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | /'%, \] | /----'. < `%, || `>> > || ///` /( //( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Harney" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR > Well, I have issues with blood and gore and ick. I know that. It cost > me $304.28 plus admission price to see "Raiders of the Lost Ark" as > that's what the ambulance cost after I passed out. So...even though I'd > been warned, by people who know my tolerance and love me, I went off to > see LOTR yesterday. I didn't pass out. However, I left the theatre > twice to throw up, and continued doing so for about 2 hours after the > movie. I can't tell you many costume details, because I was pretty > miserable and my head was buried in my husband's chest. We were with a > group, and we drove another couple, so leaving wasn't in the picture, > darn it. I'm HORRIBLY upset with myself. I was dumb. But I'd been > waiting *30* years for someone to do the movies right... > Somehow I don't think the 2 sequels are in my future. > Jeanne > hating that she's a wimp. > "English doesn't borrow from other languages - English follows other > languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their > pockets > for loose grammar." -- Anonymous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:55:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19560 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:55:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gwd18266; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gss12682; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03K3js15983 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:03:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.10]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020103200344.YMGC1982.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3C34B93D.80608@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] listmembermeting Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:04:13 +0100 Status: RO Hello Today i had a meting with another h-costume listmember, my very first meting with another costume friend: Barbara Maren Winkler from Berlin, Germany. She had asked me some time ago, if i would like to met her if she came to Copenhagen. That she did, and we met at the railroad station. She broaght with her her little daughter, very charming and patiente little girl. We went to a cafe and had coffe, and we had a very long chat talking lace, embroidery and costume. Barbara showed me some costumes she had made and whe also had taken photos of a visit she had taken to UZBEKISTAN, where they make the finest gold embroidery you would ever imagine. It was photos from a workshop. Later we went to a shop to buy some bobbins she was going to use in the lace class at Penny Ladniers Costume Gallery. There i had a very fine chat to the lady who has the shop about gold embroidery. I had taken my goldembroidery for the costume i make for myself with me to show Barbara, now i showed it to the lady in the shop also. Would you know? she actually sells this goldthread in the shop! I was very surprised of that, and she also carries the gold sequins i use! The best thing of it all was, that i learned what a buillon thread is called in Danish. I had no idea about that. It is called Kantille thread. In many ways today was a very special day, it was very lucky we went to that shop. Now i dont have to import from America any more, she imports from England, Benton and Johnson. Barbara is travelling home again tomorrow. It was very special and lovely to talk to her. Many greetings Bjarne in a cold frosty Copenhagen. -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19567 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:56:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gsd18259; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Gds12544; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03JY9s29862 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfo4b.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.224.139] helo=[165.247.225.116]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MDcu-0001o0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:34:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:21:28 -0800 Status: RO At 7:32 PM -0600 1/2/02, Magdalena wrote: >So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've been >researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've >come to the >conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to have >been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates >pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your >experience? This reminds me that I made a 16th-century shirt for an honorary "brother" of mine, who informed me after a while that it was uncomfortable to wear because it didn't have a back yoke. He pointed out that, if a shirt is merely gathered into the neckline at the back, there is extra fullness at the upper back shoulder line that tends to migrate toward the front, causing the sleeves to twist. This tightens the shirt in the upper arm area, which he finds uncomfortable. I've noticed the same tendency for the sleeves to twist in my own shirts, but what I didn't realize is that since my shoulders slope, there's still plenty of ease in that area, so it doesn't bother me if the upper sleeves are twisted. He has shoulders that are wider and much more square than mine, so there isn't as much ease. A back yoke, even just a couple of inches deep, helps this problem considerably, since it holds the fullness back and prevents it being pulled forward over the arm. However, I have no idea whether shirts in the 16th century had this problem, or if so, how they solved it. Anyone else have this experience? -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:56:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19573 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:56:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041I4d18399; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Hvs13270; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g040rHs04631 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:53:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:52:43 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8D95@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10" Subject: [h-cost] Needlework resolutions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:53:12 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I made 3 needlework resolutions (actually they were the only resolutions I made at all): * No solid fashion fabrics -- I find that if I dont force myself, I tend to choose solid fabrics because they are somehow "safe". Whether this means safe from long fabric searches, safe from the snarks, safe from my own self-critique doesnt really matter. Thus I am resolved to head for stripes, plaids, brocades, paisley, whatever. (Monochrome damask weaves still count as "solid" and will be put aside this year.) * Work lighter -- Coming at historic costume thru the Victorian door, I find a tendancy to over-structure garments. Many times this isnt bad, especially in corsets, tailored jackets, & evening bodices that last thru many wearings. This year I'm resolved to lighten up & work in airy fabrics & styles that require a gentle hand, new techniques and less room in the closet. * Finish my 31st quilt with a 3-D design. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I made 3 needlework resolutions (actually they were the only resolutions I made at all):
 * No solid fashion fabrics -- I find that if I dont force myself, I tend to choose solid fabrics because they are somehow "safe". Whether this means safe from long fabric searches, safe from the snarks, safe from my own self-critique doesnt really matter.  Thus I am resolved to head for stripes, plaids, brocades, paisley, whatever. (Monochrome damask weaves still count as "solid" and will be put aside this year.)
 * Work lighter -- Coming at historic costume thru the Victorian door, I find a tendancy to over-structure garments.  Many times this isnt bad, especially in corsets, tailored jackets, & evening bodices that last thru many wearings.  This year I'm resolved to lighten up & work in airy fabrics & styles that require a gentle hand, new techniques and less room in the closet.
 * Finish my 31st quilt with a 3-D design.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C194BA.2FC19C10-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 19:59:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19592 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:59:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041HLd18306; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041H3s12779; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Lris15004 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.118]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020103215341.CASG11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:53:41 +0100 Message-ID: <3C34D303.8070908@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] lace-bunny Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:54:11 +0100 Status: RO Hello Someone on the lace list sended this charming little rabbit or hare? who makes lace : http://www.porterfieldsfineart.com/MelindaCopper/thelacemaker.htm -- I thoaght you should se it also :-) Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:00:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19605 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:00:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Gld18244; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:17:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Ggs12583; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:16:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03Jlcs06756 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.165] (as3-4-179.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.165]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g03JlXI17554 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk><006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@ chstfld1.va.home.com> <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:48:24 -0800 Status: RO At 10:33 AM +0100 1/3/02, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: >Hi Heather, > >You wrote: > >One of the more significant >"explosions" in color words in European languages seems to have >paralleled the growth of a medieval cloth industry that involved >regular, long-distance trade in dyed cloth. It doesn't seem to have >been so much the ability to reliably produce particular colors and >shades, but the desire to be able to label these different colors and >shades for commercial purposes. > >That's a very interesting obseravtion. Do you know of any literature >about this? Up to now (as you know I 'do' 1250-1350) I have not >found many colour names in 'my' period, just (in translation) red, >darkred or carmine, blue and darkblue (perse), 'brun' ( a problem >colour in the way of describing it properly), green, grey, black, >uncoloured and mixed, and very rarely purple. No yellow to speak off. The most convenient single-source volume for recent color-term linguistic studies is "Color Categories in Thought and Language" edited by C.L. Hardin and Luisa Maffi (Cambridge University Press, 1997). The specific article in the collection on the above topic is focusing on English color words: "Color shift: evolution of English color terms from brightness to hue" by Ronald W. Casson. But as with most academic articles, there are also lots of works in the bibliography for further pursuit. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19624 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:05:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Zad20136; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041ZXs18691; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g041Vts17552 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:31:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from modemcable035.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (HELO pentium3) (24.200.48.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 01:31:56 -0000 Message-ID: <00de01c194bf$dd96da80$5030c818@WorkGroup> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <002b01c19251$f7547c40$5030c818@WorkGroup> <3C3491CC.33D55D87@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:33:50 -0500 Status: RO That was my guess, but it's not my period, so I was not 100% sure, and Peacock has a tendency to misdraw some things. It still doesn't change the fact that I'm not sure how to construct it :-) Though I'm starting to have a better idea... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress > Isn't that a bliaut?? > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > > costume ;-) > > > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > > circlet with flowers on my head) > > You can see it here. > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg > > > > I don't mind the dress not being 100% accurate, but if I can make it more > > period without making apparent alterations, I'd be happy. So now with my > > questions. > > > > Would you make it with underarm gussets? It is tight-fitting so could it be > > laced on the sides? I'm guessing it would probably be made with gores at the > > sides and back starting at hip level, but would you also put a gore in > > front? How do I obtain the right shape for the train? What shape would you > > make the sleeves? > > > > Are there any other things you can think of that would help me construct the > > dress? I've made a bunch of t-tunics already with different widths and > > shapes so making a dress without a pattern doesn't really scare me, but > > there are things like lacing or sleeves that I have never done yet. > > > > I'm thinking green silk. Crepe maybe, as it falls nicely and is not too > > shiny. Any other ideas for what kind of silk I could use? White linen > > underdress, with hidden lacing on the forearm so it's tight-fitting. It will > > be long enough that I'm not worried about shoes, so that's not a problem. > > I'll try to find false hair to make a very long braid out of and hide the > > attachment point under the veil, my hair is way too short to do anything > > with. > > > > Thanks a lot, > > Alix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:11:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19646 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:11:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041g4d20699; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041g1s20513; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041f0s20164 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27309 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:07 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:07 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > At 09:25 AM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, > >and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings > >(which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally > >Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing > >method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of > >the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then > >lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, > >and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot > >of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and > >organized. > > Actually, when I was in the military we used to lace our boots with the > straight across lacing and never had any problems with it. I've also seen > it done on Italian gowns effective. It was nick-named "ladder lacing" on > some email lists. This page has a reasonable explanation of one way of > doing it. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html Did you do your boots with a single lace or a double? I know it works well with two laces going in opposite directions; the pressure balances. I'm not so sure how it would do with a single lace, which would put vertical pressure in only half the spaces. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:12:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19653 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041Eud17992; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041Ers11722; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:14:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g03J2es12831 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:02:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.132.6dc2b22 (18405) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:02:29 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <132.6dc2b22.296604c5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The H-Costume swap & sell community To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_132.6dc2b22.296604c5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:02:29 EST Status: RO --part1_132.6dc2b22.296604c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bravo Teddy! 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--part1_132.6dc2b22.296604c5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:23:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19687 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g041rZd21650; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:53:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041rVs23885; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g041nUs22762 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:49:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25303 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:55:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C350B7D.6788102B@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace-bunny References: <3C34D303.8070908@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 17:55:09 -0800 Status: RO To Leif- Ooooh, thank you for sending this site to the list. This art is just adorable; take a look at the Gerbils on Stage, how perfect!!! The artist found just the right animal for the subject, for instance, Kitty on the Half Shell is over the top. Thank you, thank you. P.S. Happy New Year!!! Theresa Eacker Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello > Someone on the lace list sended this charming little rabbit or hare? who > makes lace : > http://www.porterfieldsfineart.com/MelindaCopper/thelacemaker.htm > > -- I thoaght you should se it also :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19749 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:38:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0428ad22960; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:08:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0428Ws28239; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from fargpop1.farg.uswest.net (fargpop1.farg.uswest.net [207.109.224.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0423vs26983 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8250 invoked by alias); 4 Jan 2002 02:03:57 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-h-costume@indra.com@fixme Received: (qmail 8242 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jan 2002 02:03:57 -0000 Received: from 185-24.farcpe.cableone.net (HELO kimathlon) (24.116.185.24) by fargpop1.farg.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 02:03:57 -0000 From: "Kim Baird" To: Message-ID: <001201c194c4$18ecfd90$6501a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <002a01c194a0$b5766d00$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] LOTR background Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:04:09 -0600 Status: RO To read about one Scandinavian influence on Tolkein, here is an article from National Geographic: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1219_tolkienroots.html Kim _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 20:56:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19800 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:56:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g042R4d25103; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042R0s03729; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042PZs03135 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.10d.b416305 (3842) for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <10d.b416305.29666c97@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] list member meeting To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:25:27 EST Status: RO --part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 5:44:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Barbara is travelling home again tomorrow. It was very special and > lovely to talk to her. > > Many greetings > > Bjarne in a cold frosty Copenhagen. > Bjarne, What a nice letter. I hope Barbara reads it too! Darla --part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/3/02 5:44:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


Barbara is travelling home again tomorrow. It was very special and
lovely to talk to her.

Many greetings

Bjarne in a cold frosty Copenhagen.  


Bjarne,  What a nice letter.  I hope Barbara reads it too!

Darla --part1_10d.b416305.29666c97_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19870 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:11:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g042fZd00571; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042fWs08505; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:41:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20301.mail.yahoo.com (web20301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g042cVs07748 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:38:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020104023833.75830.qmail@web20301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.110.20] by web20301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:38:33 PST From: Joan Garner To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Permanent velvet stamping Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:38:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO just visit www.hotpotatoes.com and all will become clear! It works, it's gorgeous and you can make fabulous gifts -- for Christmas I gave my sister-in-law an evening bag made from cobalt blue velvet stamped with a forget-me-not design that I then picked out in gold thread and champagne-colored seed beads. I don't know aboutpermanence -- I've never used it to make something that gets washed. They also now have stamp-able velvet ribbon. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- sustre@pixelations.com wrote: > It sounds lovely! And what a great resolution! > > Does Hot Potatoes have an online site? The velvet > sounds yummy, and > I'd love to look at the stamps.... > > It was my impression that hot-stamping washes out > and needs to be > re-done- am I wrong about that? > > Anyway, it sounds marvellous! I've made the Nomad > Dress myself a few > times, and it's very comfortable and easy to move > in, so I think it's > a great choice. > > -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19909 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:26:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g042v6d02228; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042v1s12897; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f203.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g042sRs12142 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:54:24 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.202 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 02:54:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.202] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 02:54:24.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E3423D0:01C194CB] Subject: [h-cost] link? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:54:24 -0800 Status: RO Could someone please repost the link to the swap and sell community? My husband's computer ate it and I need to put up the pictures of the Elizabethan outfit. No, the beautiful teenaged daughter is not included. Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19931 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04395d03280; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04390s16551; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0438Js16289 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:08:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC621D3036C; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:07:14 -0600 Message-ID: <011101c194cc$d5238a80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3C34B93D.80608@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:06:30 -0500 Status: RO Oh, Bjarne how lovely to go on a shopping trip. Barbara is one lucky lady!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19974 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g043L6d04014; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043L0s19840; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043J5s19337 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPE004HK97UO8@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: <3AA3056A0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020103221329.00cf87e0@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <200201021906.g02J6AZ01515@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:19:29 -0500 Status: RO If I may add my 2 cents here -- speaking from a woman's perspective -- I sometimes wear shirts that are *way* too long for me. When I wear a skirt it is no problem, but when I am wearing any type of pants/ slacks/ trousers I generally pull the center back of the shirt through the middle of my legs, and with the front of the shirt unbuttoned I pull the 2 front "tails" through to the back *over* the back piece. This sometimes adds an extra bit of *lumpiness* to the crotch area, but with a little bit of moving, and a little but of *pouffing* on the shirt's part, everything looks great. also, I remember seeing a book with the different months portrayed, and IIRC one of the pics has a man bent over showing his backside. it looks IIRC like he is wearing a "diaper/ nappy" with his shirt tucked into it. Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 21:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19994 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:56:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g043R4d04396; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043R0s21461; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.140]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043Pas21145 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:25:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:25:33 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 03:25:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 03:25:33.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[77E6A570:01C194CF] Subject: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:25:32 -0600 Status: RO If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:30:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20110 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04415d07359; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04410s00998; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043x5s00482 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g043xcu07351 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103215802.00a8a360@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] link? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:58:18 -0600 Status: RO Is this what you are looking for? http://www.communityzero.com/ Cheers, Danielle At 06:54 PM 1/3/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Could someone please repost the link to the swap and sell community? My >husband's computer ate it and I need to put up the pictures of the >Elizabethan outfit. No, the beautiful teenaged daughter is not included. > > >Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:30:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20114 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0441Od07406; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0441Js01088; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043x5s00484 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g043xcu07358 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103215835.00a3d1b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103181810.00a994b0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:01:18 -0600 Status: RO At 08:56 PM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > At 09:25 AM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >Alternatively, there is a lacing method that produces only horizontals, > > >and it may explain the occasional appearance of the horizontal-row lacings > > >(which seem to me to be primarily a German feature and occasionally > > >Burgundian, but I haven't examined this issue in detail). The lacing > > >method uses hooks or rings at the edge or just inside the inside edge of > > >the fabric. You lace straight across, then (on the inside) go up one, then > > >lace back across, then go up one, and so on. I've never done this myself, > > >and it would seem to me that this is not something that could take a lot > > >of stress, but would be sufficient to keep an overdress lying flat and > > >organized. > > > > Actually, when I was in the military we used to lace our boots with the > > straight across lacing and never had any problems with it. I've also seen > > it done on Italian gowns effective. It was nick-named "ladder lacing" on > > some email lists. This page has a reasonable explanation of one way of > > doing > it. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html > >Did you do your boots with a single lace or a double? I know it works well >with two laces going in opposite directions; the pressure balances. I'm >not so sure how it would do with a single lace, which would put vertical >pressure in only half the spaces. > >--Robin It was kind of odd - both really. You start the lace normally across the bottom holes and then draw one end (you need to make it much shorter than the other) up the inside to the top hole and then out. The other end of the lace you treat like a single lace in that fashion and when you get to the top you tie your ends together like normal. It worked out to be the right number of holes on our boots - I don't know if that would work on all things... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20125 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04443d07642; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0443xs01951; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g043x6s00492 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g043xdu07363 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103220219.00a86070@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:03:21 -0600 Status: RO At 09:25 PM 1/3/2002 -0600, you wrote: >If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF > >Marc You're right Marc. That is right - I had misremembered. I just realized it's been almost 7 years since I've had to lace boots that way.... Oh my! Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:34:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20133 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:34:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04454d07769; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:05:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04451s02277; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0441ts01240 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:01:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2235.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.235]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27189 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3528C0.C98412D4@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] redingote References: <3C2FED56.9010009@accessus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:00:00 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Karen, I can't speak for either of the patterns, but if you don't mind a little extra work in enlarging a graphed pattern, you can get a booklet inexpensively from Parks Canada entitled "Man's Coat 1730-1750, a visual guide to cut and construction". It was produced for sale at the Fortress of Louisbourg and has a lot of good historical and construction details that you don't get with modern patterns. The pattern and costruction details are based on originals from assorted museums, and you have the added benefit of supporting a good cause. The ISBN is 0-662-23532-0. I think I got mine from a gift shop in Williamsburg, but a few 18th Cent. Sutlers carry them. Good Luck, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 22:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20154 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:43:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044Ded08334; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:13:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044DZs04875; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:13:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044ADs03890 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p37-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.37]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA10034 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:10:12 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p37-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.37] claimed to be user Message-ID: <002001c194d4$d9c92420$25c0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3DF9C5FD4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:04:03 +1300 Status: RO > What it's actually made of is ireelevant. It *looks* like the "lace" > fabric that started appearing on market stalls (here at least) in the > 80s, some of which comes pre-sequinned. Oh I'm sorry, I thought your many emails on the subject denoted some sort of importance to the subject. You see what you see, sure, but do look again: First Impressions was the original title for Pride and Prejudice after all. Wasn't the original thread about working out how the costumes were made anyway? michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20199 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:03:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044W4d09569; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:32:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044W0s10590; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044V6s10147 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28233 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:46:15 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020103220219.00a86070@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:46:15 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Marc wrote: > >If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. > > > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF Danielle replied: > You're right Marc. That is right - I had misremembered. I just realized > it's been almost 7 years since I've had to lace boots that way.... Oh my! Now this one I know. It's like a spiral lace, but double-ended, with the end that isn't spiraling brought up crosswise to balance the diagonal pull of the spiral. I've seen that before (and I think I may have even seen it on some bodice in a painting). So that's very different from the right-angled zigzag we were postulating for the weird lacing representation in the calendar picture. That, done with a single lace, probably wouldn't be able to hold a lot of stress without making the laced edges pull and bunch in awkward ways. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:25:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20281 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:25:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044v4d11195; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044v0s17505; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044sWs16740 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104045433.JXEQ27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:54:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Matching thread? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:53:39 -0600 Status: RO I need to go to Wally World tomorrow cause I don't have the right shade of green threat to attach the trim to my new dress and I wondered..."Did they worry about matching thread back then?" I mean do you think the dyed threat with material so that they matched, or was thread just thread?? Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20287 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:26:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g044vEd11208; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044vAs17557; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044uRs17199 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:56:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28350 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer In-Reply-To: <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:11:36 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look German in style. Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:29:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20297 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04506d11424; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:00:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04501s18324; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g044vqs17767 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28365 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress In-Reply-To: <3C3491CC.33D55D87@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:13:01 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > Isn't that a bliaut?? I think it thinks it's a bliaut. For Peacock, it's not as awful as a lot of his other stuff. --Robin > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > > costume ;-) > > > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > > circlet with flowers on my head) > > You can see it here. > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20321 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0456dd12018; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:06:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0456Ys19880; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0452Ys18986 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104050235.KCQH27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:02:36 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353736.15C74BCA@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:01:42 -0600 Status: RO Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" Sorry about that Katie wrote: > > I need to go to Wally World tomorrow cause I don't have the right > shade of green threat to attach the trim to my new dress and I > wondered..."Did they worry about matching thread back then?" > > I mean do you think the dyed threat with material so that they matched, > or was thread just thread?? > > Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20371 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:53:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045P5d13454; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:25:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045P0s24791; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045MHs24063 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:22:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104052219.YGVC14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:22:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353BD4.C80976A@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:21:24 -0600 Status: RO I put Magdeburg in google and one of the links says "Messe Magdeburg, mitten in Deutschland" and if I remember the little German I learned the 2 years I lived there I think "mitten" means middle. But hey you saw my post about thread, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it...even if I had a farm. *L* Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > > My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think > pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but > under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also > mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. > > It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look > it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look > German in style. > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 3 23:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20390 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:59:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045V4d13790; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045V0s26435; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045SRs25659 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:28:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g045H8r27044 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:17:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C353E5C.25345251@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:32:12 -0700 Status: RO Could it be a result of the same sort of into-the-armpit gores you see on recreations of those "10-gore" dresses? There doesn't look to be a great deal of extra fullness lower down on the dresses, though..... Magdeburg's in Germany (Saxony, to be more precise). The cathedral in question was started in 1208 by Albert II, and not finished for 156 years, so who knows the actual dates for the statuary . Another website I looked at refers to Magdeburg as the state capital of the German state of Sachsen-Anhalt. It's apparently on the river Elbe... Here's a link with more pictures of the town and the cathedral: http://www.green-basketball.de/magdeburg-engl.htm Gawd, ain't Google handy --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > > My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think > pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but > under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also > mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. > > It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look > it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look > German in style. > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:00:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20402 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:00:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045VDd13802; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045V9s26483; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:31:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045Sds25766 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:28:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104052841.YKCG14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:28:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3C353D53.122129E@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:27:47 -0600 Status: RO Well the one I was making from the Wingeo pattern was a total mess. I bought more material and cheated doing the fold/cut/sew/hem method. Using one of my kirtles for the fitted upper sleeves/upper body part, and the sleeve from the pattern to get the "swooping" sleeve. I will be wearing it to 12th Night for my Barony on Saturday and will get some pics. If any one wants to see what I came up with let me know. I know it will not be "period" construction, but hey if I can fake it I will. *L* Katie A blonde always looking for short cuts.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20414 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:02:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045Xmd14132; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045Xis27375; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045Uxs26424 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g045Jpr27877 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:19:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C353F10.1149CB0A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A new dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:35:12 -0700 Status: RO ROTFLMAO....good thing I'm not drinking tea at this hour of the night, or I'd be wiping it off my monitor ;-P --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > Isn't that a bliaut?? > > I think it thinks it's a bliaut. For Peacock, it's not as awful as a lot > of his other stuff. > > --Robin > > > Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I will be attending a "medieval wedding" this summer. (I don't think it'll > > > be what *I* could call medieval, but hey, it's a good occasion to wear a > > > costume ;-) > > > > > > So, I found this dress in Peacock. I know he's not a very good reference for > > > periodness, but I love the dress (not the hat, I'll wear a veil and a > > > circlet with flowers on my head) > > > You can see it here. > > > http://www.geocities.com/audreybmorin/Varia/dress.jpg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:05:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20427 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:05:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045b5d14450; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:37:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045axs28359; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045XPs27281 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:33:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g045MGr28976 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:22:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C353FA0.B2CDA88E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: <3C353BD4.C80976A@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:37:37 -0700 Status: RO What got me some Kewl Stuff (tm) with Google was entering Magdeburg, and then doing an advanced search, using "cathedral," and specifying "English language," since the only few words I know in German are -uhm- scatalogical.... [actually costume related....taught to me by a german lady with whom I worked in a costume shop a long time ago) --Sue Katie wrote: > > I put Magdeburg in google and one of the links says > "Messe Magdeburg, mitten in Deutschland" and if I > remember the little German I learned the 2 years I > lived there I think "mitten" means middle. But hey > you saw my post about thread, so I wouldn't bet the > farm on it...even if I had a farm. *L* > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Katie wrote: > > > > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > > > > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > > > > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > > > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > > > > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > > > > My GOD these are weird. I've never seen anything like this. I'd think > > pleats before gathers, and I've seen something similar on cloaks, but > > under the arm? It would sure make fullness in a surcote, but it could also > > mean a lot of excess fabric in the sides and not enough in front and back. > > > > It says 1245, Cathedral, Magdeburg. Where is that? (Yeah, I could go look > > it up, and I suppose I will eventually.) The faces on the sculptures look > > German in style. > > > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. > > > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20433 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:09:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045efd14733; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045ebs29757; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g045aus28329 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20632 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.74) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:36:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3C353FC7.C51E8F1F@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:38:15 -0600 Status: RO Thanks to all for explaining different forms of ladder lacing to me! > Marc wrote: > > >If I may - this is the traditional form of ladder lacing on shoes. > > > > > >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe2/IMAGES/LACE.GIF Yes indeed (though I didn't learn to lace my shoes that way until I went to Ireland). I don't know that this is what is taking place on these bodices (not that you said it was, of course), because you'd still end up with diagonals across the open space behind. Robin Netherton wrote: > > So that's very different from the right-angled zigzag we were postulating > for the weird lacing representation in the calendar picture. That, done > with a single lace, probably wouldn't be able to hold a lot of stress > without making the laced edges pull and bunch in awkward ways. I would tend to agree, though I've never tried it. Is this what's happening in the Cranach pictures and other Germans with horizontal laces? The edges must have been boned, because the gowns look very closely fitted. See http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/c/cranach/lucas_e/3/ the "Saxon Princesses Sibylla, Emilia and Sidonia," two of which have spiral lacing with diagonals connecting and one of which has ladder-looking-lacing. kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > The diagonals are on the back side of the lacings. It was actually a > very common lacing pattern. On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing would also be visible. Thanks again for all the interesting discussion! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:09:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20441 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045etd14761; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045ees29781; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g045aFs28022 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20487 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.74) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:36:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3C353FA1.47658E0C@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:37:36 -0600 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > I noticed the same thing last week when I put up my calendar, and decided > that these are probably just a poor rendering. One of the things I'm > wondering is how much the image has been enlarged. This is a good point, but everything else looks fairly detailed, so I don't think it can have been enlarged too terribly much. I'm willing to go with painter error. > In this case, on the turbaned lady, I think we do have an impression of > the diagonals, but very sketchy and not accurately placed: they appear as > shadowy pale red horizontal lines in the white space between the dominant > laces. I interpreted these lines as the shadows cast by the laces on the underlayer. I'm not sure I would agree with them being an inaccurate rendering of diagonals. > But I wouldn't read a whole lot into the use of laces with a gathered > overgarment. This is an altarpiece, and these are almost certainly > Biblical/historial figures. True enough, and yet I'm still curious about Botticelli's "Young Woman" (the 2nd one here http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html ). To be sure, her hair is rather...fanciful...but it is labelled as a portrait (ok, that probably doesn't mean anything!). I've always been curious about this dress, as it seems to be not only gathered into the neckline but also into the armscye. Any thoughts? Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20437 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045ebd14726; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045eXs29703; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g045ZNs27745 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:35:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20287 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2002 05:35:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.74) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2002 05:35:17 -0000 Message-ID: <3C353F63.AE168F8B@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculpture References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:36:35 -0600 Status: RO Katie wrote: > > I went wandering around that site and found this.. > > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/zgothic/gothic/2/index.html > > look at the "Wise Virgins" and note the pleating/gathering > of fabric going from under the arm to the waist. > > Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? I've never actually seen this before. I'm not sure that it is directly related, as it's a couple of centuries earlier. I can't see the fronts very well, but I don't think these lace up there. They also look a little flat across the front, as if most of the fullness were coming from under the arm. I am curious about this gathering/pleating in the armpit. Does anyone know this construction? Other examples? Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20466 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045i6d14977; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045i2s00760; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045fCs29936 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1b-179.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.1.179]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29722 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:39:28 -0600 Message-ID: <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 22:52:14 -0700 Status: RO My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for the most part. I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, possibly silk. The color matching fetish is a gift from the Victorians. No supporting documentation, just an educated guess. MD/MArged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:18:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20486 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:18:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045o5d15349; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:50:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045o1s02438; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045ngs02360 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:49:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104054944.LCRW27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:49:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3C354242.CDD64818@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:48:50 -0600 Status: RO So the beige threat I have might actually be more "in tune" then going and buying matching green thread? *L* Katie Mary Denise Smith wrote: > > My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for > the most part. I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on > ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, > possibly silk. The color matching fetish is a gift from the Victorians. > > No supporting documentation, just an educated guess. > > MD/MArged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20511 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:24:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045u5d15699; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045u1s03922; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045rls03422 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:53:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.69]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020104055349.LFKQ27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:53:49 -0600 Message-ID: <3C354337.1FFB47F7@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> <3C354242.CDD64818@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:52:55 -0600 Status: RO What is it with me and the word threaD tonight???????? Katie wrote: > > So the beige threat I have might actually be more "in tune" then > going and buying matching green thread? *L* > > Katie > > Mary Denise Smith wrote: > > > > My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for > > the most part. I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on > > ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, > > possibly silk. The color matching fetish is a gift from the Victorians. > > > > No supporting documentation, just an educated guess. > > > > MD/MArged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:27:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20521 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:27:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045wkd15799; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045wfs04664; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045tZs03823 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:55:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1b-179.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.1.179]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA31209 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:53:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C35466D.28400945@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> <3C354242.CDD64818@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:06:38 -0700 Status: RO In paintings and in such originals as I have seen, I have not noticed a color contrast in the thread used to attach ornamentation. Think of it like this - the attaching thread is either "invisible" or part of the ornamentation. Robin? Jump in here! MD/Marged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:27:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20525 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g045x5d15835; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045x1s04749; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g045vrs04448 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:57:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:57:51 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:57:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 05:57:51.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEA0AD20:01C194E4] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ladder Lacing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:57:51 -0600 Status: RO >From: Robin Netherton >Danielle: >>You're right Marc. That is right - I had misremembered. I just >> >>realized it's been almost 7 years since I've had to lace boots that >>way.... Oh my! Almost 15 for me, but it came up not long ago regarding lacing Oxfords correctly >Now this one I know. It's like a spiral lace, but double-ended, with >the >end that isn't spiraling brought up crosswise to balance the diagonal pull >of the spiral. I've seen that before (and I think I may have even seen it >on some bodice in a painting). > >So that's very different from the right-angled zigzag we were >postulating >for the weird lacing representation in the calendar picture. That, done >with a single lace, probably wouldn't be able to hold a lot of stress >without making the laced edges pull and bunch in awkward ways. I haven't seen the picture so I can't say. I know that this system works well with leather, and reinforced fabric -- something to stiffen things up a bit. Marc _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:42:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20571 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:42:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046ECd17091; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046E6s08454; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046Dus08377 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-80.radiks.net ([206.29.243.82] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MNc7-0005E7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:14:00 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104001105.02bc9120@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200201040209.g04290s28390@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR final credit quote Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 00:13:04 -0600 Status: RO I've managed to acquire the text for the LOTR final quote I asked about last week: "HE MIHI NUI HOKI KI NGA TANGATA WHENUS O AOTEAROA. MA RANGI RAUAKO PAPA TATOU E MAHAAKI, E TIAKI HEI HGA TAU E UT MAI NEI. Does this help? Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 00:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20579 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:48:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046K5d17423; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:20:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046K0s09848; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046I9s09464 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28698 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:33:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? In-Reply-To: <3C35430E.D7695646@costumemag.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:33:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Mary Denise Smith wrote: > My take is that construction thread was just thread. It was linen, for > the most part. This is my understanding too. The last time I looked at this issue, which was a while ago, I came away with the impression that for seams, the default is undyed linen thread, meaning beige or off-white in most cases. I've seen that on a handful of artifacts, when I've remembered to look, and I've used it myself with success; if you're sewing fulled wool, the thread disappears in the depths of the fabric. There's certainly existing evidence of wool thread used for seams, too, though I don't know if it was routinely dyed, and I don't remember the wheres and whens offhand. Silk thread would typically be used only for silk fabric, for the very practical reason that it is stronger than other fibers and, if used on other fibers, can cut the seams over time. A longstanding option is to pull a thread from the edge of the fabric you're using and sew with that. Not so easy to do with most modern fabrics, but maybe more practical for strong handwoven fabrics. If your fabric is dyed, the thread would be the same color and fiber, of course. Of course, it's hard to tell with a lot of extant garments just what the thread was. Depending on the conditions they've experienced, the thread might have disintegrated (e.g. linen might disappear in some environments, like graves, while wool cloth remains, leaving only stitching holes to go by). This can skew our evidence. Items kept for their value (e.g. saints' relics, church vestments) might have been resewn at a later date. Heather would have a better read on this than I do, as extant items are her specialty. Decorative sewing may be different, as Mary Denise noted: > I'd suspect (with nothing to prove it) that for sewing on > ornamentation, some sort of "embroidery" thread may have been used, > possibly silk. That rings true to me, but I'm not the one to ask. This is one of many areas I've been meaning to get more solid information on. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:04:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20655 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:04:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046Z5d18230; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046Z1s13507; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046W6s12739 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-17-115.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.115]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACK33977; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:32:07 GMT Message-ID: <013401c194ea$0e244280$f7274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mano Mexican jacket MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:34:08 -0000 Status: RO > It is a good looking jacket. Too bad kids tend to keep on growing and growing and growing. Not just kids either -- it is a good thing I have just T-tunics and sideless surcoats in my garb wardrobe right now, because I sure overindulged over the holidays. Tee Hee My Victorian stuff "tells" me when I've overdone it ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20659 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:04:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046ZLd18240; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046ZHs13555; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046WAs12763 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-17-115.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.17.115]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACK33975; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:32:05 GMT Message-ID: <013301c194ea$0d5ad800$f7274ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <004c01c19243$d4e92d80$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <003f01c1935d$0d938da0$53114ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Anglo-Saxon burials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:33:11 -0000 Status: RO >Nice stuff! For myself, I'm having a blast making various pieces. If any turn out particularly well, I might make a few extra for sale myself, especially since we seem to be interested in different pieces. Let me know if you do I know most of the Anglo Saxons here in the UK Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20672 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:06:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046c6d18372; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046c1s14326; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046Zis13697 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:35:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:35:11 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA3@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:35:39 -0800 Status: RO I did a mock up of the Medici suit over the summer. (Cosimo, I think; 1562-ish?) When I did it, I interpreted the dashed line in the codpiece pieces as a fold & sew arrangement. If the codpiece is a decorative fly stuffed with batting, this is reasonable. If the codpiece is a place for a guy to tuck his parts, then what is the dotted line on the pattern piece supposed to signify? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo who never actually made or wore a 16th c anything, but might someday > > In looking at the codpieces in Arnold, I'm confused as to their > > functionality. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 01:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20695 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:15:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g046l5d18847; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046l0s16773; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g046ius16388 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:44:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28814 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:00:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery In-Reply-To: <3C353FA1.47658E0C@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:00:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > True enough, and yet I'm still curious about Botticelli's "Young > Woman" (the 2nd one here > http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html ). To > be sure, her hair is rather...fanciful...but it is labelled as a > portrait (ok, that probably doesn't mean anything!). I've always been > curious about this dress, as it seems to be not only gathered into the > neckline but also into the armscye. Any thoughts? Not my period, and I really have no clue on what's happening on the front -- e.g. what's under, what's over, and whether those stripes are lacings or just decoration. But I do notice that the part of the bodice that seems gathered into the armscye is only the area connected to the sleeve. The edge of the armscye that forms the opening (where the chemise puffs out) is smooth. So maybe the armscye is pulled up a bit along that seam connecting the bodice to the shoulder of the sleeve? I should also note that Botticelli is known for treating clothing (and hair and other elements) rather imaginatively as served his own purposes, so I wouldn't take him to the bank. I'm sure that many of the bits he includes are realistic, but others aren't, and I don't feel competent to guess which are which. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 02:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08703 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:31:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04826d22436; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04820s03367; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f72.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0480Is03031 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:00:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:00:16 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.237 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:00:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.237] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] link? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 08:00:16.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8C51EA0:01C194F5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 00:00:16 -0800 Status: RO >From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg >Is this what you are looking for? http://www.communityzero.com/ > >Cheers, >Danielle > >I need to put up the pictures of the >>Elizabethan outfit. >> >>Jennifer > Thank You!!! I did it!! I only put two up in general, but if anyone wants to see the other views I'll send them privately. Please let me know what you think of the gown. Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 03:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09197 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:06:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g048c6d24000; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:38:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g048c0s10714; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g048aas10435 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:36:34 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0" Subject: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:36:02 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've always wanted one of those French merveilleuse style gowns... within limits of decency. I also love those descriptions of the French court, and diplomatic wives in their gold encrusted evening gowns. Happily the French werent quite so shy about color, if you flip thru "Modes Revolutionaires" and "Revolution in Fashion". In a fit of obsession, I've spent the last 6 days drafting, fitting & mocking up a gown. Mostly, I used the Norah Waugh book "Cut of Women's Clothes", diagram XXXV and photo #43 (2 different gowns). I'm at the final mockup wherein the gown is done up in fabrics close to the final in weight, fiber & hue. Idea is to check the hang, figure out real yardage needed, eyeball strongly patterned panels & borders and generally work thru problem areas. Here's my comments: * The gold brocade (originally the sari's palou) is way too heavy. Looks ok in the bodice, but the sleeves are too stiff. They should be drapey. * That 7 meter sari wasnt long enough. The train finished 8" too short. * Uk, too much yardage in the CB & on the side. Ironing may help this, but I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!) * Binding at neckline - yeah, it's lighter in weight than the brocade. * The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without corsetting. http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front Gown 1803". So, questions for you, ladies & gents: * What else needs work? * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? * Other critique? That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I've always wanted one of those French merveilleuse style gowns... within limits of decency.  I also love those descriptions of the French court, and diplomatic wives in their gold encrusted evening gowns.   Happily the French werent quite so shy about color, if you flip thru "Modes Revolutionaires" and "Revolution in Fashion".
In a fit of obsession,  I've spent the last 6 days drafting, fitting & mocking up a gown.  Mostly, I used the Norah Waugh book "Cut of Women's Clothes", diagram XXXV and photo #43 (2 different gowns). I'm at the final mockup wherein the gown is done up in fabrics close to the final in weight, fiber & hue.  Idea is to check the hang, figure out real yardage needed, eyeball strongly patterned panels & borders and generally work thru problem areas.  Here's my comments:

 * The gold brocade (originally the sari's palou) is way too heavy. Looks ok in the bodice, but the sleeves are too stiff. They should be drapey.
 * That 7 meter sari wasnt long enough. The train finished 8" too short.
 * Uk, too much yardage in the CB & on the side.  Ironing may help this, but I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!)
 * Binding at neckline - yeah, it's lighter in weight than the brocade.
 * The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without corsetting.

http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front Gown 1803".

So, questions for you, ladies & gents:
 * What else needs work?
 * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat?
 * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp?
 * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat?
 * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect.  How to fix it?
 * Other critique?

That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown.  Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo
------_=_NextPart_001_01C194FA.D7FE0BD0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 03:39:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28707 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g049B6d26164; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g049B0s16782; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20703.mail.yahoo.com (web20703.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0499Qs16519 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:09:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020104090929.22946.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web20703.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:09:29 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] lucas de haare - london ladiies sleeve question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:09:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Greetings, I am having a bit of trouble drafting a pattern for the sleeves of the gown in the picture of four london ladies by Lucas de Haare: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/gallery/middle-wmn.html I am trying to recreate the second gown from the left. I have the body of the gown sorted out but I am stuck on the construction of the sleeve and the correct setting of the collar. Could anyone help? I am not interested in buying patterns as they never fit properly I would much rather draft it myself. Any help is much appreciated. Many Thanks Rachel (UK). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05255 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Ad7d29531; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ad0s16197; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Abrs15988 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 03:37:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-210-250.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.210.250]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id CAEF58A41F6 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:37:33 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00ee01c1950c$05616660$fad2f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <0Xb$AEAc5KM8Iw3A@montgomerie.demon.co.uk><006901c1934e$66e37780$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <00a201c1943e$ec87f1e0$a4dbf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Colors 2002 Predictions Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:47:48 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi, You wrote: The most convenient single-source volume for recent color-term linguistic studies is "Color Categories in Thought and Language" edited by C.L. Hardin and Luisa Maffi (Cambridge University Press, 1997). The specific article in the collection on the above topic is focusing on English color words: "Color shift: evolution of English color terms from brightness to hue" by Ronald W. Casson. But as with most academic articles, there are also lots of works in the bibliography for further pursuit. Thanks, Heather, I'll see if I can get it. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi,
 
You wrote:
The most convenient single-source volume for recent color-term
linguistic studies is "Color Categories in Thought and Language"
edited by C.L. Hardin and Luisa Maffi (Cambridge University Press, =
1997).  The specific article in the collection on the above = topic is
focusing on English color words: "Color shift: evolution of = English
color terms from brightness to hue" by Ronald W. Casson.  But = as with
most academic articles, there are also lots of works in the
bibliography for further pursuit.

Thanks, Heather, I'll see = if I can get it.
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
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------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1950D.404D3640-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05375 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04B96d00773; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04B90s22113; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04B8Qs21953 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:08:27 -0700 (MST) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id 4AAAB7F1F; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:08:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3398A3F55 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:08:01 +0200 (EET) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] weird shirt fastening? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:08:01 +0200 (EET) Status: RO Hello, I ran into http://www.marquise.de/1500/pics/1522_2.shtml and noticed that the shirt almost looks like it fastens at side front (where a raglan seam might be). Even in a zoomed view it looks more like an opening than a stain or slash. Can this be? However, there is somethign in center front too...something that looks like a pink ribbon going through two lacing holes. Which is the fastening and what in the world is the other? Does anybody have a bigger and clearer picture of this? -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05412 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:41:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04BD6d00980; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BD0s22891; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BB4s22501 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p67-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.67]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id AAA16806 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:11:06 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p67-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.67] claimed to be user Message-ID: <004b01c1950f$aaa56a60$43d0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104001105.02bc9120@radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] LOTR final credit quote, Maori Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:04:59 +1300 Status: RO While I'm here: http://www.akiko.co.nz/NZ/Culture/NZDic.html nz phrases into us equivalents for those who may get cofused by what I say;) > "HE MIHI NUI HOKI KI NGA TANGATA WHENUA O AOTEAROA. MA RANGI RAUAKO PAPA > TATOU E MAHAAKI, E TIAKI HEI NGA TAU E UT MAI NEI.* > Does this help? > Sandy yeppers:) *I replaced the s in whenua to the correct a, easy typo to do:), not sure if ut is utu or uta, based on the surrounding words, I suspect uta, and hga to nga.. he=a, fail, some, wrong mihi=greet, admire, lament nui=many, in public, abundant, large hoki= also, and, beacause, for, return (used for emphasis) ki=at. against, for, full, into, if, on, say, towards, with, (connects verb with subject) nga Tangata Whenua o Aotearoa= the people of the land of Aotearoa (New Zealand) ma=and rangi=heaven rauako= ?? raua=them ko=at, to (address a girl) papa=buttocks, board, flat but Papa=earth together I think it's the sky father and earth mother. tatou=we e= o!, a number, participle denoting progress in past/present/future, when mahaaki=mahaki=calm, sick, meek, mild tiaki=guard hei=as, at, for, to , in, with tau=young, be able, alight, lover, time, (utu=price, reward) uta=the land mai=action to the speaker nei=nearness to the speaker With so many meanings to the words, this is either a greeting from the People of the land of new Zealand, or an apology to Nga Tangata o Aotearoa. I may ask for a translation tomorrow. I'm not so hot on Maori grammar, structuring sentances is a tad difficult. And I can't find a translator online to do a whole sentance. http://www.maoricd.co.nz/home.htm michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 05:50:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA05462 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 05:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04BM6d01246; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BM0s24450; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04BJBs24004 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCO6KUOETS00CVZF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:20:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCO6KRWIM800CTL9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:34 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:16 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.82) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. In-reply-to: <200201040536.g045aws28348@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 11:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Michaela, > Oh I'm sorry, I thought your many emails on the subject denoted > some sort of importance to the subject. Good grief no. I was just saying what the costume looks like to me. > You see what you see, sure, but do look again: First Impressions was > the original title for Pride and Prejudice after all. I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their own, of course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in any way attractive. > Wasn't the original thread about working out how the costumes were > made anyway? Not the one I first responded to - it was about the film and the costumes in general. I loved the film and that costume was the one moment where the costume was the foremost thought on my mind. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06355 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:24:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04DuGd08171; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:56:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Du0s25385; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Dtps25356 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19273 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > they give me nightmares, Speaking for myself -- I have problems with horror movies too, for the same reason. I have no problem with LOTR or Raiders or any of that sort of thing; I suppose because I know the 'good guys' win in the end, unlike horror movies where almost everyone winds up dead for no particularly good reason. Unfortunately, I do have problems with things like the rape scene in Rob Roy, which really has kept me from watching the movie again (even though I have it on tape)... a pity, because I really do want to go back through it and look at the costumes, just for fun. I started watching it again once, and just kept dreading what I knew was coming up -- it spoiled it for me enough that I popped the tape out and haven't tried to watch it again since. I really wish they'd intimated that scene (noises coming from inside the cottage, filmed from outside the cottage) rather than showing it plain... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06399 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:34:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04E68d08786; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04E62s27776; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04E5ws27744 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m157.in-tch.com [216.166.191.157]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g04Dsqr13490 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:54:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C35B7C6.3B359EF2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 07:10:14 -0700 Status: RO Hi, Cynthia...I'd love to look at it, but when I try your link I get one of those obnoxious "server not found" errors. --sue > Cynthia Barnes wrote: > http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder > "Bib-front Gown 1803". > > So, questions for you, ladies & gents: > * What else needs work? > * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in > N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? > * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? > * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? > * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? > * Other critique? > > That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. > Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then > finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06437 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04EC7d09241; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EC1s29149; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EAms28888 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-2-57.s565.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.2.57] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16MV3c-0001zq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:10:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C35B930.51983E8B@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting References: <3C34B93D.80608@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 09:16:16 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > The best thing of it all was, that i learned what a buillon thread is > called in Danish. I had no idea about that. It is called Kantille thread. > In many ways today was a very special day, it was very lucky we went to > that shop. Now i dont have to import from America any more, she imports > from England, Benton and Johnson. Bjarne- Have you ever been to Silke-Annet's shop up in Farum? She does a lot of bobbin lace and assorted historic costume and has lots of stuff. She's where I got all for my supplies for my High-Hat outfit this past summer. I can give you her phone and address is you're interested. Just in case you're looking for another shop for supplies, you know. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 08:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06481 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:46:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04EI6d09742; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EI0s00669; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04EHIs00529 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g04EHMa12855 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:17:22 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <3C35B7C6.3B359EF2@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:17:22 +0100 (CET) Status: RO On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Hi, Cynthia...I'd love to look at it, but when I try your link I get one > of those obnoxious "server not found" errors. > > > http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder > > "Bib-front Gown 1803". The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06685 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:20:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Ep8d12396; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ep0s10224; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Em1s09429 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.176]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020104144805.IBNS11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3C35C0C2.5020606@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 15:48:34 +0100 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes wrote: > I > So, questions for you, ladies & gents: > * What else needs work? > * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in > N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? > * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? > * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? > > * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? > * Other critique? > > That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. > Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then > finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. > --cin > Cynthia in Toky > Dear Cynthia. It is a very small world here. I am making the excaktly same gown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except, i dont make it with the embroidered ribbon. But if i had used one, i wouldnt gather it at the waistline. I have just finished the corset from 1795 in Norah Waughs book to go with it and i just came home today from the fabric shop. I have baught bridal satin and silk chiffon. White. It is for the norwegian lady i made the sack dress with beadembroidery for. I make the dress doubble one layer of bridal satin and one layer of chiffon. I think the chiffon will give it this greek look. I didnt have the time to embroider the band myself and went trough a lot of stores to fine one i could use, but no. Therefore i dont make it with this. When you gather the skirt and you have sewed it to the bodice, you should make a band inside the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make a bend in the band and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice. Regency dresses was mostly made in fabrics that falls heavy. Light materials as well. I think that a gold brokade is two stiff. The fabric must fall in fine wawes if you know what i men. For gods sake i cant spell men from mening! Sorry, time for coffe!! This was a coinsidense, i am going to make it this week end. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:51:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07108 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:51:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FMSd15714; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FMLs21621; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FG3s19428 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.176]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020104151607.GTWM395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:16:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3C35C754.2090602@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:16:36 +0100 Status: RO Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > >>I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, >>they give me nightmares, >> The movie Alien gave me nightmares many years. I wish i never had gone to se that movie. And i lived in a forrest in the countryside in those days and had to go trough a pech black forrest when i was going home! Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:55:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07193 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:55:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FPtd16096; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FPls22895; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13407.mail.yahoo.com (web13407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id fBTGlpZ25577 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:47:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20011229164817.8811.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.192.132.136] by web13407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:48:17 PST From: Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: LOTR To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200112281825.KAA17593@artemis.directcon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 08:48:17 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > After all the raving, maybe it's time for a different opinion.... (snip) > More scenery....and > surprise, > here come some Things That want To Kill You. Hm... well, my co-worker Loie (who is a Quaker) never managed to get through the books either... she had pretty much the same reaction to the movie as you did, I think: she thought it was too violent. (This didn't bother me, but then I guess I expected it.) She said that the movie definitely made her want to go visit New Zealand, though. I guess I got more from the books about what having the ultimate power (the Ring) does to even good people (Bilbo, or Gandalf or Galadriel if they'd taken the Ring). It's rather odd that the books were written before the Bomb was invented. Anyway... you're not obliged to like them! Really! De gustibus non disputandem and all that. I think of all the Tolkien stuff, I liked his smaller stories a little better. I re-read those a lot more (and sections of the Silmarillion) than the LoTR trilogy. And re-read C.S. Lewis's books a lot more than Tolkien's -- sort of the difference between sagas (Tolkien) and folk tales (Lewis). Tolkien was really setting out to create a new epic mythology, and that sort of mythos is notoriously lacking in humor -- the grand sweep of it doesn't lend itself well toward that kind of thing. And mythology deals very much in stereotypes and broadly-painted characterizations. Loie said that the Ring trilogy seems very Wagnerian to her. I guess that could be a good comparison. > Things I did like: The art direction and design. I loved Bag End, > an Arts > and Crafts Movement hole in the ground! Yes, wasn't that a hoot? Who wouldn't want to live in such a home? I saw a "making of" special -- they planted the gardens in Hobbiton a year before they started filming, so the plants would have a chance to mature in place and look right. And yes, the costumes were gorgeous. The hobbits' costumes got me thinking about tweed jackets and velvet or damask waistcoats... I don't think the movie ruined anything for people who already liked the books -- it just didn't win over people like you, and Loie, who weren't already fans. -- Mara __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 09:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07202 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:55:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FQ2d16110; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FPss22937; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:25:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g047cYs28658 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id ABBF8C03E8; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 01:37:35 -0600 Message-ID: <01ea01c194f2$6e9c0640$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Long Hair List" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Winter Hat for long hair Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 02:35:48 -0500 Status: RO Today we received our first snow for the winter. Every year it is such a chore to find something to cover my daughter's head (she's the one with a lot of long thick hair). We finally found some thing that works. So I thought I would share with you who might have the same problem... it is tam or beret hat. The one we found is made of 85% nylon &15% acetate. It is really stretchy and repels water!!!!! My daughter pulls her hair in a ponytail and then rolls it up into the hat. Now, she can go sledding or make snow angels and not have a hair-related accident or end up with wet hair. She looks really cute in it. If she shifts the weight of her hair to the back of the hat, it kinda looks like a cal. For those in the U.S. I found the hat at Big Lots and they were $2.99. They are in different colors too! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:00:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07262 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:00:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04FVjd16793; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:31:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FVcs25317; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm10.jersey.juno.com (wm10.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.230]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FS8s23814 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:28:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkk4JLeFuNfmCmmK6m8yL7UDSzTcmaVofA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm10.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQBQVAYU; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:27:53 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020104.102753.532.55929@wm10.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:27:52 GMT Status: RO Hi Cyn, Just my tuppence on this but, I'd say that the fabric is indeed too crisp. I feel that to get the right look with this style (and it's a tricky style to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old boy)a very, very soft and drapey fabric is essential. Something along the lines of a well-washed hankie linen or a cotton batiste. This is the perfect style to use all those silks that are just too soft and drapey for the earlier 18th century fashions. Perhaps pressing the gathers/pleats down at the waist would help. I love the colors, and they style looks very interesting. I've only done a couple of French Revolution/Regency dresses but the bib front style is one I'd like to try. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07374 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Fegd17667; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FeXs28697; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04FaTs27175 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:36:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.176]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020104153634.LOWB27566.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3C35CC1E.8020302@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Woman calendar mystery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:37:02 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I am not expert in this period, but could the sleave be cut like a tunic and then gathered at the armscye? It looks that way, weird! Bjarne Robin Netherton wrote: >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >>True enough, and yet I'm still curious about Botticelli's "Young >>Woman" (the 2nd one here >>http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html ). To >>be sure, her hair is rather...fanciful...but it is labelled as a >>portrait (ok, that probably doesn't mean anything!). I've always been >>curious about this dress, as it seems to be not only gathered into the >>neckline but also into the armscye. Any thoughts? >> > >Not my period, and I really have no clue on what's happening on the front >-- e.g. what's under, what's over, and whether those stripes are lacings >or just decoration. > >But I do notice that the part of the bodice that seems gathered into the >armscye is only the area connected to the sleeve. The edge of the armscye >that forms the opening (where the chemise puffs out) is smooth. So maybe >the armscye is pulled up a bit along that seam connecting the bodice to >the shoulder of the sleeve? > >I should also note that Botticelli is known for treating clothing (and >hair and other elements) rather imaginatively as served his own purposes, >so I wouldn't take him to the bank. I'm sure that many of the bits he >includes are realistic, but others aren't, and I don't feel competent to >guess which are which. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 10:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07809 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:54:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04GQ8d22556; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GQ1s18764; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GObs18143 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g04GQIK16834 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13154 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: "H-Costume (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:28:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid of the front gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing the rest of the fulness to the back, you'd get a better look. I used "stroked pleats" to make the skirt on my muslin gown. It's basically like mini-cartridge-pleats, pulled up and then pushed flat. It managed to get a lot of bulk into a small area yet keep things from poofing out. (three and a half yards gathered into 12 inches of space)! That might help flatten the gathers on the back. Perhaps you could try gently washing a small sample in cool water with a mild soap, to see if this removes some of the crispness from the fabric. Thanks for the pics (and I wish I could wear that color), Drea On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Cynthia Barnes wrote: > I've always wanted one of those French merveilleuse style gowns... within > limits of decency. I also love those descriptions of the French court, and > diplomatic wives in their gold encrusted evening gowns. Happily the French > werent quite so shy about color, if you flip thru "Modes Revolutionaires" > and "Revolution in Fashion". > In a fit of obsession, I've spent the last 6 days drafting, fitting & > mocking up a gown. Mostly, I used the Norah Waugh book "Cut of Women's > Clothes", diagram XXXV and photo #43 (2 different gowns). I'm at the final > mockup wherein the gown is done up in fabrics close to the final in weight, > fiber & hue. Idea is to check the hang, figure out real yardage needed, > eyeball strongly patterned panels & borders and generally work thru problem > areas. Here's my comments: > > * The gold brocade (originally the sari's palou) is way too heavy. Looks ok > in the bodice, but the sleeves are too stiff. They should be drapey. > * That 7 meter sari wasnt long enough. The train finished 8" too short. > * Uk, too much yardage in the CB & on the side. Ironing may help this, but > I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!) > * Binding at neckline - yeah, it's lighter in weight than the brocade. > * The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo > #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without > corsetting. > > > http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front > Gown 1803". > > So, questions for you, ladies & gents: > * What else needs work? > * Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in > N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat? > * Was the sari fabric , while light in weight, too crisp? > * Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat? > * The whole thing has a "short and dumpy" effect. How to fix it? > * Other critique? > > That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown. Yeah, > I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with > a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude. > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 11:09:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08006 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:09:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Gf8d24380; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:41:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Gf1s25545; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GeGs25203 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:40:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g04GfxK18894 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13438 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:43:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: H-costume list Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucas de haare - london ladiies sleeve question In-Reply-To: <20020104090929.22946.qmail@web20703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:43:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/gallery/middle-wmn.html > > I am trying to recreate the second gown from the left. > I have the body of the gown sorted out but I am stuck > on the construction of the sleeve and the correct > setting of the collar. Could anyone help? I am not > interested in buying patterns as they never fit > properly I would much rather draft it myself. > I had trouble with those sleeves, too. I was recreating the first gown on the left. I tried to build a base for the sleeve based on the boned sleeve on Arnold's Ropa in Patterns of Fashion, using shaped heavy buckram stuffed with batting. The fabric was lumpy over it, and it wasn't very sturdy--one push on the buckram would leave a hollow. Even when I supplemented it with poly boning, it still looked lumpy. I ended up creating a close-fitting undersleeve, sewing a network of poly boning still in the fabric sleeves to it, stuffing it with poly boning and fitting a layer of cotton batting over the boning to soften the line. The outer sleeve I built by hand, fitting and draping fabric over the structure. I'm not completely satisfied with the result, but it came out pretty well. I included light boning inside the black velvet guards on the sleeves, which also helped. For the collar, I just extended the fabric of the front pieces into a point at the collar, and extended the back neckline up. Kind of like the partlet pattern at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/lowerclass/images/partlet-pat.jpg, only with a higher collar. There's a pic of the gown at http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/wardrobe/ http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/wardrobe/gownkirtle.html Good luck, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 11:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08305 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04H28d26937; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:02:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04H20s06254; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04GxOs04787 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:59:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip221.vanc5.pacifier.com [66.43.1.221]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g04Gwce13426 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing Message-ID: <3C357014.3680.8A6FD88@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C353FC7.C51E8F1F@faucet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:04:20 -0800 Status: RO > > The diagonals are on the back side of the lacings. It was actually a > > very common lacing pattern. > > On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing > would also be visible. In a photograph that would be true, but sometimes the laces on the underside are not shown. (Artist's convention?) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10033 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:51:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KM7F28027; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KM0s17665; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KKBs16776 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.a8.4654ffa (3851) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:07 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it here soon. I think this a worthy topic. --Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:56:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10079 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:56:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KRLF01572; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04K40s09202; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04K3es09039 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:03:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.20.21b39f4f (3851) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will look. Margretta (delurking) >> Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for discussion of this profound work of literature. Thanks, Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 14:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10084 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:56:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KRNF01579; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Iq1s04979; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from morgoth.tuug.fi (morgoth.tuug.fi [130.232.72.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04InZs03865 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix, from userid 15211) id D66257F1F; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morgoth.tuug.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8483F55 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:40 +0200 (EET) From: Ella Lynoure Rajamaki To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting In-Reply-To: <3C35B930.51983E8B@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:49:40 +0200 (EET) Status: RO On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Have you ever been to Silke-Annet's shop up in Farum? She > does a lot of bobbin lace and assorted historic costume and > has lots of stuff. She's where I got all for my supplies for > my High-Hat outfit this past summer. I can give you her > phone and address is you're interested. Just in case you're > looking for another shop for supplies, you know. Could you post her address to the list? I'm would like it too, and I'm sure I am not the only one, especially if she'd do mail order. -- Lynoure Rajamaki lynoure@tuug.fi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 15:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10319 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Kb7F03113; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Kb0s26216; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KZhs25624 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:35:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 7.147.752fb2d (3851) for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:44 -0500 (EST) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <147.752fb2d.29676c1f@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Subject: [h-cost] Re: piped edges and boning Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:43 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted>> Yes, this technique is much easier than attempting to turn a lined and boned garment. For anyone wondering how to do this, see the instructions on the bodice for Simplicity pattern # 8881. FYI, "bias covered cord" is also called "piping" in the U.S., and can be found pre-made in the notions areas of fabric stores. << and yes, polyboning is about the only thing you can get in NZ (but it's not Rigilene) >> Well, here's a website you can buy steel boning from that seems to ship internationally. Good prices, and I've never had a problem with my orders. http://www.granndgarb.com --Gillian Tedcastle, "Keeping the world corseted..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 15:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10374 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04KgeF03889; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04KgXs29019; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Kcls27117 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:38:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020104203848.CBWN20122.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:38:48 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c3d1190.316574209@mail.attbi.com> References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g04Kcls27117 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:39:01 GMT Status: RO On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST, the following was written in this electric book by Azelana@aol.com: >The only quote I knew of was that >he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). >He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by >his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends >dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. He was in WWI - In France, I think - he was a Mustard Gas casualty. His son might have been in WWII, late in the war, IIRC. He was in his 50's during WWII: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tolkien,+J.R.R. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 15:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10893 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04LS9F10050; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:28:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04LS0s22100; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f134.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.134]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04LRYs21866 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:27:35 -0800 Received: from 216.26.63.46 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:27:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.26.63.46] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2002 21:27:35.0908 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0BDCA40:01C19566] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:27:35 -0800 Status: RO >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their own, of >course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in any way >attractive. > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and purple. ;) Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 16:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10971 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Le8F11527; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Le0s28344; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04LdAs27925 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0687.gti.net [208.216.122.87]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 11D80145985 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:39:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C36211B.7F579DE5@gti.net> From: Deb Rand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:39:39 -0500 Status: RO No Sue, you aren't blind ... the one slash after 'com' was reversed. This is the address: http://photos.yahoo.com/hatchikohysteria AND You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for some reason.. Guests aren't allowed, I guess. Deb R. > The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that > name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 16:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11136 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:17:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04LnAF12709; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ln2s02998; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Lkos01970 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 14:46:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 994B73A9057 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <022d01c19571$c2e1b720$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:47:17 -0600 Status: RO I have seen an occasional slasher movie--in my home, with my DH to tell me when to duck--but the ones that give me nightmares are the ones in which children are hurt. OTOH, I read a horror comic when I was eight about a large orange monster that came out of a closet. Until I left home at seventeen, I could NOT sleep with my closet door open. For years, I kept a tiny child's rocking chair up against that door at night. Living in a haunted house didn't help any, either. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > > I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > > they give me nightmares, > > Speaking for myself -- I have problems with horror movies too, for the > same reason. I have no problem with LOTR or Raiders or any of that > sort of thing; I suppose because I know the 'good guys' win in the end, > unlike horror movies where almost everyone winds up dead for no > particularly good reason. Unfortunately, I do have problems > with things like the rape scene in Rob Roy, which really has kept me from > watching the movie again (even though I have it on tape)... a pity, > because I really do want to go back through it and look at the costumes, > just for fun. I started watching it again once, and just kept dreading > what I knew was coming up -- it spoiled it for me enough that I popped the > tape out and haven't tried to watch it again since. > > I really wish they'd intimated that scene (noises coming from inside the > cottage, filmed from outside the cottage) rather than showing it plain... > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11934 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:00:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04NWAF25056; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04NW1s21665; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from frankenstein.nwlink.com (pop.nwlink.com [209.20.130.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04NTGs20549 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from asuscoh (ip157.usw19.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [207.202.235.157]) by frankenstein.nwlink.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g04NTMg26826 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from costumer@dendarii.org) Message-ID: <00c801c19577$edfe5700$9debcacf@nwlink.com> From: "Susan" To: References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:28:39 -0800 Status: RO It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English countryside that happened after WWI. Susan Courney > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12051 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:20:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Np9F27073; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:51:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Np1s29628; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Nm2s28329 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-21-88.s342.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.21.88] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Me4H-0002VQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:48:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3C36407F.4B92C38C@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:53:35 -0500 Status: RO Hi Ella- > Could you post her address to the list? I'm would like it too, and I'm > sure I am not the only one, especially if she'd do mail order. She goes by the name Silke-Annet her address is: Dorthesvej 2 Dk-3520 Farum and her phone is 44-95-05-55. Oh, she does have email (which is mostly how I was in touch with her), but she seemed somewhat slow to answer. Probably because she ran most of it through her son to deal with the English. Her email is: silke-annet@detail.dk. I don't know how much mail order she does, but you could certainly ask her. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12068 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:22:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g04Ns8F27340; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:54:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Ns0s01045; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04NrTs00846 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-21-88.s342.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.21.88] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16Me9X-00039v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3641C5.71D54253@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> <00c801c19577$edfe5700$9debcacf@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 Status: RO Susan wrote: > It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, > a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It > is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English > countryside that happened after WWI. There was a show on PBS the week before the movie came out (the show was called "JRR Tolkien") that mentioned that the only time his experiences in the War come into the book is in the section about the Dead Marshes and the faces he sees in them. The show also interviewed Queen Margrethe of Denmark because she had written a fan letter to Tolkien when she read it as a teenager. She found it fascinating how he involved aspects of sagas and norse mythology, which of course she was well versed in, and wrote to tell him so. She also was certain that some of the Elvish seemed to sound Finnish. In some of his letters he explains that Quenya was based largely on the sounds of Finnish, while Sindarin grew from his fascination with Welsh. -Judy Mitchell (who will get to see the movie again since I was given two gift passes!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 18:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12117 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:28:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0500AF28104; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05001s03291; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g04Nvps02553 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:57:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00784 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:04:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3642C4.BCF5A391@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> <00c801c19577$edfe5700$9debcacf@nwlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:03:16 -0800 Status: RO To the Liste: The January issue of Smithsonian (with a beautiful tiger face on the cover) has an article called "J.R.R. Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings", in which the influences of WWI/WWII on Tolkien are touched upon. Interesting reading and might answer some of the questions in this thread. Theresa Eacker Susan wrote: > > It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, > a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It > is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English > countryside that happened after WWI. > > Susan Courney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 19:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12637 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g050a9F01797; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g050a0s15692; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g050ZZs15523 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 17:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p238.directcon.net [209.233.107.238]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15857 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:34:59 -0800 Message-Id: <200201050034.QAA15857@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:34:59 -0800 Status: RO At 07:32 PM 01/02/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > >> I've drafted a pattern based on the 1585-1600 shirt in the Museum >> of Costume at Bath, as shown in the Janet Arnold shirts and smocks article. >> > >So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've been >researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've come to the >conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to have >been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates >pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your >experience? I used the neck gussets. You're right, they make the garment fit better, and are much more comfortable and durable. They seem scary to sew at first, but once you get the hang of it they're no big deal. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 19:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13069 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:56:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g051RYF05643; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:27:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g051R0s29666; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g051QGs29462 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2351 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 01:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fenris.net) (207.12.32.203) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 01:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3653E8.9CE8E674@fenris.net> From: Karolee Smiley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 17:16:23 -0800 Status: RO Delurking briefly since I'm on break and can actually read this while its still being discussed. The LotR was started in 1936. But due to his need to flesh out the history and the outbreak of WWII, its completion was delayed. Actually his son, Christopher, was in the RAF in South Africa during WWII and he sent excerpts for him to read as he was working on it at home. He would get his son's feedback as he worked on the story. Tolkien says that he went through a variety of other personal changes that slowed down the process as well. He moved, changed jobs and typed and retyped it himself. He finally completed it in 1949. He said it was not based on either war, but said that author's are influenced by their experiences. He does not like allegory but prefers history, whether real or feigned. This is from Tolkien's prologue from the 1973 Ballantine edition where he gives a small insight into his writing process. Personally, I loved the books and the movie. Of course I like epics. I also enjoy the Homeric Poems and find many interesting similarities between them. Ok, back into lurk mode Karolee Smiley Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 20:21:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13235 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g051qlF07109; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g051qOs06303; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g051pUs06101 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m113.in-tch.com [216.166.191.113]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g051eQn16355 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 18:40:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C365D25.1D016960@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <3C36211B.7F579DE5@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:55:49 -0700 Status: RO Well, darn it, you're right...and I don't "do" yahoo....grump, grump....does anyone have another picture of this dress? It sounds really pretty.....:-( --sue Deb Rand wrote: > > No Sue, you aren't blind ... the one slash after 'com' was reversed. > This is the address: > http://photos.yahoo.com/hatchikohysteria > AND > You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. > If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for > some reason.. > Guests aren't allowed, I guess. > Deb R. > > > The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that > > name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 20:36:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13271 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:36:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0528OF08124; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05280s09964; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0526fs09626 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:06:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([206.170.33.30]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GPG00G560JAZU@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C365F58.1FCA9DA2@pacbell.net> Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20.21b39f4f.29676498@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:05:13 -0800 Status: RO I've been having problems with sending out e-mails lately from home. I sent this message on Thursday and quoted from the forward. Hopefully, it will reach the list this time. Here's the quote you were looking for. LynnD Gillian wrote: Oh dear! There's going to be a war, ya know... LOTR is a metaphorical account of Tolkien's own emotional experiences of WWII, written into a fantasy story. I'm afraid it will get MUCH more violent. Felt I should warn you. No it isn't metaphore, and Tolkien says so very clearly. I've been reading it recently in a one-volume reprint I bought myself for Christmas 2000 (Houghton Mifflin, ISBN 0-395-97468-2). I don't mean to be argumentative, but here are his own words. In the forward to the second edition, first published in October 1965, (he deleted the first forward), Professor Tolkien wrote, "As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical . . . The crucial chapter, 'The Shadow of the Past', is one of the oldest parts of the tale. It was written long before the foreshadow of 1939 had yet become a threat of inevitable disaster, and from that point the story would have developed along essentially the same lines, if that disaster had been averted. Its sources are things long before in mind, or in some cases already written, and little or nothing in it was modified by the war that began in 1939 or its sequels." Tolkein goes on to say that if the book had followed WWII, the Ring would have been used agains Sauron "not annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied." He goes on for a couple more paragraphs on this line, but then says that an author cannot write and be completely separated from the world around him. He reminds his readers that he was caught up in WWI and that was just as bad as WWII for many people; all but one of his close friends were dead by 1918. However, he says that the book was already in his mind before there were even threats of another war. LynnD Having read it first at the tender age of 11 or12 in (oh my God) 1963-44 Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/01 2:34:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << I agree with Margo, however. I didn't care much for it as it was > *way* too violent for me. I spent a good portion of the movie > (especially in the last part) with my head buried in my husband's > shoulder going "are they done fighting yet." However, since it is a > cultural icon, I will go see the other two. >> > > > > --Gillian Azelana@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 21:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13439 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:50:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g053MOF14479; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:22:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g053M0s28093; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g053Kds27811 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:20:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0214.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.82.214]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g053KjH214188 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:20:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c19598$971e5680$d652fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <4.1.20020102000923.00aa79b0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:25:13 -0500 Status: RO Thanks for all of the ideas. One of my biggest problems is getting skirts caught in the wheels, especially when I am in a position to us my manual chair for the day. What figures is that I absolutely fell in love with Elizabethan and early Tudor just before being stuck in these things, and love full skirts, etc. Unfortunately, I can't even get away with a full length tunic, let alone the full stuff.;-p I guess I could have worse problems.;-} YIS, Moira Another was to always make the fit loose enough that there was no > binding, no tight spot, anywhere, especially if they had trouble dressing > themselves or with arm motions (I gather you don't have a problem here). > > My favourite suggestion for wheelchair folks is to decorate the chair itself. > This will tend to frame the sitter whatever he/she is wearing. The simplest > way is to hang a banner (or a nice piece of cloth) down the back of the chair. > Cloth slipcovers for the arms don't hurt the looks either. If you do > Renaissance, look at the chairs in Ren. portraits for ideas. (I was at a > Science Fiction convention, and someone had decorated her chair like a > futuristic transport pod, which went with her space ship uniform.) > > My housemate will always have to use a chair, and even tho the thing is really > high tech and motorized (and cost more than my car did) he still looks really > good wearing his evening clothes and sitting in the chair at Dickens' Fair or > historical dances. He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. > Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period. > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 22:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13548 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:24:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g053uOF16571; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:56:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g053u0s06615; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.fidnet.com (one.fidnet.com [216.229.64.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g053rps06119 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:53:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6754 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 03:53:59 -0000 Received: from cable-mo-60.rolla.fidnet.com (HELO oemcomputer) (216.229.79.60) by one.fidnet.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 03:53:59 -0000 From: "Lori Sharpsteen" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201050214.g052Eus11636@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] RE: wheelchair costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:52:12 -0600 Status: RO I have two books on this subject, actually. (I once considered starting a clothing company specializing in garments for physical limitations and calling it User Friendly Clothing Company) One is published by Simplicity and called "Design Without Limits" The other is titled "Dressing With Pride" by Evelyn S. Kennedy and was published by PRIDE (Promote Real Independence for the Disabled and Elderly) in 1981. If you want more info about the books, let me know. Lori Sharpsteen -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:15 PM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #580 - 15 msgs Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-admin@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Azelana@aol.com) 2. Re: wheelchair costumes (Azelana@aol.com) 3. Re: piped edges and boning (Azelana@aol.com) 4. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (chimericalgirl@attbi.com) 5. Re: Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. (Jennifer Sena) 6. Re: Merveilleuse mockup (Deb Rand) 7. Re: Costume flicks and violence (Greg and Dianne Stucki) 8. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Susan) 9. Re: listmembermeting (Judy Mitchell) 10. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Judy Mitchell) 11. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Theresa Eacker) 12. Re: H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts (Margo@Margospatterns.com) 13. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Karolee Smiley) 14. Re: Merveilleuse mockup (Sue Clemenger) 15. Re: Re: Tolkien not WWII? (Lynn Downward) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In a message dated 1/2/02 1:39:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will look. Margretta (delurking) >> Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for discussion of this profound work of literature. Thanks, Gillian --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:20:07 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it here soon. I think this a worthy topic. --Gillian --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Azelana@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:35:43 EST To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: piped edges and boning Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In a message dated 1/2/02 9:56:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: << Bias covered cord was used to edge anything boned and fitted>> Yes, this technique is much easier than attempting to turn a lined and boned garment. For anyone wondering how to do this, see the instructions on the bodice for Simplicity pattern # 8881. FYI, "bias covered cord" is also called "piping" in the U.S., and can be found pre-made in the notions areas of fabric stores. << and yes, polyboning is about the only thing you can get in NZ (but it's not Rigilene) >> Well, here's a website you can buy steel boning from that seems to ship internationally. Good prices, and I've never had a problem with my orders. http://www.granndgarb.com --Gillian Tedcastle, "Keeping the world corseted..." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:39:01 GMT Organization: The Corner of my Desk Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:03:36 EST, the following was written in this electric book by Azelana@aol.com: >The only quote I knew of was that >he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). >He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by >his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends >dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. He was in WWI - In France, I think - he was a Mustard Gas casualty. His son might have been in WWII, late in the war, IIRC. He was in his 50's during WWII: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Tolkien,+J.R.R. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:27:35 -0800 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their own, of >course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in any way >attractive. > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and purple. ;) Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:39:39 -0500 From: Deb Rand To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com No Sue, you aren't blind ... the one slash after 'com' was reversed. This is the address: http://photos.yahoo.com/hatchikohysteria AND You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for some reason.. Guests aren't allowed, I guess. Deb R. > The address works fine for me, but I can't find any folder with that > name. Am I blind/stupid, or is something else going on? :) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 16:47:17 -0600 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com I have seen an occasional slasher movie--in my home, with my DH to tell me when to duck--but the ones that give me nightmares are the ones in which children are hurt. OTOH, I read a horror comic when I was eight about a large orange monster that came out of a closet. Until I left home at seventeen, I could NOT sleep with my closet door open. For years, I kept a tiny child's rocking chair up against that door at night. Living in a haunted house didn't help any, either. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume flicks and violence > On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Joan Broneske wrote: > > I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > > they give me nightmares, > > Speaking for myself -- I have problems with horror movies too, for the > same reason. I have no problem with LOTR or Raiders or any of that > sort of thing; I suppose because I know the 'good guys' win in the end, > unlike horror movies where almost everyone winds up dead for no > particularly good reason. Unfortunately, I do have problems > with things like the rape scene in Rob Roy, which really has kept me from > watching the movie again (even though I have it on tape)... a pity, > because I really do want to go back through it and look at the costumes, > just for fun. I started watching it again once, and just kept dreading > what I knew was coming up -- it spoiled it for me enough that I popped the > tape out and haven't tried to watch it again since. > > I really wish they'd intimated that scene (noises coming from inside the > cottage, filmed from outside the cottage) rather than showing it plain... > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Susan" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:28:39 -0800 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English countryside that happened after WWI. Susan Courney > > << You know, Tolkien himself said that these books were not, in fact, a > metaphor for WWII. I am not sure where the quote is to be found, but I will > look. > > Margretta > (delurking) >> > > Hmm, ok. I'd be interested to read that. The only quote I knew of was that > he denied it was a treatise against the atomic bomb (being used in WW II). > He was quite adamant about that. We do know Tolkien's work was influenced by > his preoccupance with death, however, which resulted from most of his friends > dying in the war, when he was only in his 20's. > > Go ahead and e-me privately if you find that tidbit. I am always up for > discussion of this profound work of literature. > > Thanks, > Gillian > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:53:35 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] listmembermeting Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Hi Ella- > Could you post her address to the list? I'm would like it too, and I'm > sure I am not the only one, especially if she'd do mail order. She goes by the name Silke-Annet her address is: Dorthesvej 2 Dk-3520 Farum and her phone is 44-95-05-55. Oh, she does have email (which is mostly how I was in touch with her), but she seemed somewhat slow to answer. Probably because she ran most of it through her son to deal with the English. Her email is: silke-annet@detail.dk. I don't know how much mail order she does, but you could certainly ask her. -Judy Mitchell --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 18:59:01 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Susan wrote: > It is in the introduction to the first book - at least the one that I have, > a mid 70s version. But it is WWI that he says it isn't a metaphor for. It > is suppose to be in protest to the industrialization of the English > countryside that happened after WWI. There was a show on PBS the week before the movie came out (the show was called "JRR Tolkien") that mentioned that the only time his experiences in the War come into the book is in the section about the Dead Marshes and the faces he sees in them. The show also interviewed Queen Margrethe of Denmark because she had written a fan letter to Tolkien when she read it as a teenager. She found it fascinating how he involved aspects of sagas and norse mythology, which of course she was well versed in, and wrote to tell him so. She also was certain that some of the Elvish seemed to sound Finnish. In some of his letters he explains that Quenya was based largely on the sounds of Finnish, while Sindarin grew from his fascination with Welsh. -Judy Mitchell (who will get to see the movie again since I was given two gift passes!) --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:03:16 -0800 From: Theresa Eacker To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tolkien not WWII? Repl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 22:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13583 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g054COF17634; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054C0s10203; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054BNs10059 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:11:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2198.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.198]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04082 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:11:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3C367C70.26133B36@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <5B5980757A7@mdx-cpq-temp1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:09:20 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I don't know, Teddy, but the thought of wrapping my bits up in any part of my shirt that might shift when I sit down makes me a wee bit edgy. It might be a fun experience, experimental archaeology-wise, but something I'll want to try only once (okay, twice if it feels good). Seriously though, in my experience with shirts, codpieces and netherbreeches, I have found that I can usually shift everything in such a way that I can do my necessities and still appear decent afterwards, even after having a few too many beers and needing to use a poorly lit jakes. I still swear by netherbreeches, though. I have made boxers and briefs, based on images of historical examples. and they have always been more comfortable than just a shirt, although I have been able to manage either way... Mike T. Teddy wrote: > > I was under the impression a guy wrapped his parts in his shirt tail > > and then put the wrapped package into the codpiece. > > That's what works for me (except it's the front of the shirt not the > back "tails"). > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 22:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13644 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:58:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g054UPF18603; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054U0s13901; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g054RLs13390 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:27:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2198.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.198]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14626 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:27:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3C36802E.4228B0A2@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:25:18 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Margo, no need to blush. Your friendly neighborhood Barber-Surgeon here will explain all in a no-nonsense medical fashion. I really don't believe that the male anatomy was intended to be stuffed into a codpiece. The way that the codpiece evolved, from a flap which covered the separation of the hose, to the late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a manifestation of what the "owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN the clothing item. Owing to the information that some later variants were used as storage areas for ones money, lunch and other valuables seems to leave little room for the "family jewels", regardless of the paucity of that particular package ( isn't alliteration wonderful?). Besides, the constriction that would result from such a position would be somewhat uncomfortable. Suffice it to say that the codpiece was most probably the most obvious type of window dressing, a sort of advertisement of masculine proportions, so to speak. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 23:38:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13750 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:38:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055AOF20738; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:10:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055A0s23659; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0557ds23202 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:07:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:07:10 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA6@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:07:36 -0800 Status: RO I can send something to you directly. Is a 400K JPG ok for you? --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > Well, darn it, you're right...and I don't "do" yahoo....grump, > grump....does anyone have another picture of this dress? It sounds > really pretty.....:-( > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 4 23:42:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13759 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:42:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055EOF20899; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:14:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055E0s24523; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g055AVs23776 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2349 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 05:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.136) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 05:10:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3C368B1B.DFD40A08@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:11:54 -0600 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > Maybe it's a regional thing. If this is accurate, and at all widespread, > it would mean a lot of rethinking for me. But the Wise Virgins are about > as reliable as the Virgin Mary as costume sources, meaning ... sometimes. Ok, I stumbled across another fullness-from-the-armpit garment today. Back in the fifteenth century, and it's a chemise, but it has a bunch of fullness (pleats? gathers?) right under the arm. It's in Birbari's _Dress in Italian Painting_, fig. 28, and I can't find it online anywhere. It's a closeup of Griselda in her shift, poor thing. Birbari has found enough pictures of chemises with this feature to make her think it was a common cut. Could this have any relation? Seems a bit of a stretch, but since it fell into my lap today, I thought I would bring it up. The more I learn, the more I don't know. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:15:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13818 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:15:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055lPF22662; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055l0s02725; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055k6s02527 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-127.frys.com [66.121.20.127]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g055idr08663 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:44:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020104213536.017a6980@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-Reply-To: <3C36802E.4228B0A2@dandy.net> References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:36:13 -0800 Status: RO >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a manifestation of what the >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN the clothing item. Wishful thinking? False advertising? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:16:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13823 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:16:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055m7F22722; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055lhs02879; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055k9s02539 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:46:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-127.frys.com [66.121.20.127]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g055iar08660 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:44:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020104212330.017a1a80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:31:40 -0800 Status: RO ><< He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. > Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> > >Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. One of the SCA Barons in Southern California, in the fourth or fifth year of the SCA, was in a wheelchair. Dressed up in his Baronial robes and crown he didn't need to decorate his chair to make it look like a throne. OTOH, my housemate does lower-class/peasant, which doesn't go with thrones. >I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion >designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it >here soon. I think this a worthy topic. I know I saw such a book - a little paperback thing. It could be the same book, not that I would recognize it now, as there can't be many books on that subject. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:22:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13836 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:22:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055ruF23052; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:53:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055rWs04239; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:53:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055oEs03524 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:50:18 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:50:15 -0800 Status: RO Quoth DebR: > You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. > If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for > some reason.. Mea culpa. Turns out the "age restriction" was on. Default turns out to be dont show to the chillins. All better now. I just took 2 ft out of the back section, swept the borders a little farther back. Drat. With all the fabric I took out I could have made the train to spec. Looks like the 7 meters would have been just fine, after all. Quoth Karen: >(and it's a tricky style to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old boy) But I am! That's what is so maddening about it. Measuring the N.Waugh diagram I see 28-39" at the high waist. I'm only 31". Quoth Drea: >Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid of the front >gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing the rest of the >fulness to the back, you'd get a better look. I used "stroked pleats" to >make the skirt on my muslin gown. Giggle. It's just a cheap sari I bought in Singapore over Thanksgiving. The real fabric (embroidered lawn or hankie linen batiste) is either unobtainable here in Japan or frighteningly expensive. It's so backwards to do the mockup in silk & the real thing in cotton. Like I told y'all before it's all "because Japan is an island". The single pleat idea is good to make it hang flat at the side. Instead, I deepened the dart shown the diagram. Helps that back-sweep effect. I'll give the stroked pleats a shot in the real thing. Quoth Bjarne: >When you gather the skirt and you have sewed it to the bodice, you >should make a band inside the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make >a bend in the band and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice. Do you mean bias binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang freely? It's really fun that you're making this one too. Cant wait to see how yours comes out. Thanks one & all for being my on-line sewing circle! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:22:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13840 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:22:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g055sOF23105; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:54:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055s0s04352; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055rMs04199 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:26 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:53:23 -0800 Status: RO > >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a > manifestation of what the > >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN > the clothing item. > > Wishful thinking? False advertising? Over-inflated ego? Testoterone poisoning? A triumph of hope over reality? --cin giggling in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13850 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:28:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0560AF23451; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055xjs05623; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:59:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055uHs04846 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:56:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA00708 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:13:35 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201050613.WAA00708@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:13:35 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Heather" wrote: > > Thanks for all of the ideas. One of my biggest problems is getting skirts > caught in the wheels, especially when I am in a position to us my manual > chair for the day. What figures is that I absolutely fell in love with > Elizabethan and early Tudor just before being stuck in these things, and > love full skirts, etc. Unfortunately, I can't even get away with a full > length tunic, let alone the full stuff.;-p I guess I could have worse > problems.;-} Ah-hah. Now that's something I can help on. I occasionally have to use a cane to walk, and come up against similar problems. What you really want is some way to contain the excess skirt so it won't get caught in the wheels. I have certainly made skirts that have internal ties (similar to 1880s hobble skirts but not so confining) that grab up the _back_ of the skirt. You could certainly make a sort of lacing or straps that would catch up the back of the skirt and keep it tucked under your knees and calves while you're sitting in the chair. It's not 100% period, but neither is riding around in a wheelchair. And I decided some time ago that "period" goes out the window when it gets in the way of my mobility. Picture a strap/buckle setup that runs from side seam to side seam across the back of your calves. You reach down, buckle (or button or tie) your strap down tight enough that the back of the skirt no longer drags, make sure your legs aren't too confined, then off you go. This actually can be combined with the idea of a open-backed garment if you never get out of the chair during the normal course of an event. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:29:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13857 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:29:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0561PF23559; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:01:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05610s05888; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g055wJs05284 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m105.in-tch.com [216.166.191.105]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g055lFn18762 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:47:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3696FD.47F2A820@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA6@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:02:37 -0700 Status: RO Yup. I gots lotsa room in my mail box. --sue Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > I can send something to you directly. Is a 400K JPG ok for you? > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > > > Well, darn it, you're right...and I don't "do" yahoo....grump, > > grump....does anyone have another picture of this dress? It sounds > > really pretty.....:-( > > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 00:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13876 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:32:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0564LF23808; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:04:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0563vs06483; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:03:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0560us05870 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:00:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m105.in-tch.com [216.166.191.105]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g055nrn19333 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:49:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C36979B.F699D956@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200201021851.KAA14387@artemis.directcon.net> <4.1.20020104213536.017a6980@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:05:15 -0700 Status: RO 16th century male version of those wonder bras? --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a manifestation of what the > >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN the clothing item. > > Wishful thinking? False advertising? > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13965 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g056WPF25283; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g056W0s13062; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g056VHs12866 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:31:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p153-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.206.153]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA02486 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:31:24 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p153-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.206.153] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005701c195b1$bc49fcc0$99ceadcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C357014.3680.8A6FD88@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:25:12 +1300 Status: RO > > On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing > > would also be visible. > In a photograph that would be true, but sometimes the laces on the > underside are not shown. (Artist's convention?) probably not. I say this as I've just copied copiously from the Frei-.. Friedlander book on Cranach. There are two types pf lacing wich has horizontal lines: = *and* z shapes, ie both that have been described. That book is great, it has even *more* images of those half open bodices that are seen in Christ and the Adulteress and Lucretia paintings. Admitedly inthose genres, but also more women breastfeeding. Fantastic. I have looked in the library a multitude of times, why there were *two* Cranach books all of a sudden I do not know. Anyway, just to say there are definatly paintings showing both descriptions of acheiving horizontal lines inthe lacing. Oh, and there is at least one showing the style in Italian (venetian?) dress, which shows the stress marks the "ladder" lacing has on the opening. Ladder lacing really needs very strong boning to prevent the lacing pulling vertically puckering the opening: ___ ____ (___) |____| (___) rather than |____| (___) |____| Well strong enough to resist the pull anyway:) seeing as the garments these are usually found on are firm around the body atthe least. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14149 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g057LPF27622; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:21:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057L0s22779; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057KVs22648 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:20:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPGF2F00.D22 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:20:39 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:16:49 -0800 Status: RO > > > > >late 16th Cent, monstrosity, seems to simply be a > > manifestation of what the > > >"owner" wished to display rather than what was actually IN > > the clothing item. > > > > Wishful thinking? False advertising? > > Over-inflated ego? Testoterone poisoning? A triumph of hope over reality? Art? "High" Art? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 01:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14153 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g057PPF27827; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057P0s23513; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout1.telus.net [199.185.220.236]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g057Nfs23272 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from orb.telus.net ([64.180.179.188]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with ESMTP id <20020105072344.BSZB18012.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@orb.telus.net> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:23:44 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> X-Sender: a6a21289@pop.telus.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-Reply-To: <200201050034.QAA15857@artemis.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:26:00 -0800 Status: RO At 04:34 PM 1/4/02 -0800, you wrote: >At 07:32 PM 01/02/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >So, I'm curious. Did you draft one with neck gussets, or without? I've > been > >researching and playing with period shirts for a while now, and I've come >to the > >conclusion that I like ones with neck gussets much better. They seem to > have > >been made both with and without, but I find that the neck gusset eliminates > >pulling and makes gathering to the neckband much easier. What's your > >experience? > >I used the neck gussets. You're right, they make the garment fit better, >and are much more comfortable and durable. They seem scary to sew at first, >but once you get the hang of it they're no big deal. what, exactly, are neck gussets? Is there a pic online that I could see, or can someone give simple directions for this jet lagged brain? *S* kris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 05:16:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30843 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:16:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05AlWF06426; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Ak0s15312; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05AjPs15189 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 03:45:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.123]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105104533.QRBU25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:45:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3C36D969.9010100@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:46:01 +0100 Status: RO Cynthia Barnes wrote: > >Do you mean bias binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang >freely? > >It's really fun that you're making this one too. Cant wait to see how yours >comes out. > >Thanks one & all for being my on-line sewing circle! >--cin >Cynthia in Tokyo > Dear Cynthia. Yes bias binding and you could sew it to a linning. But you dont make a linning in yours do you? Well if you dont, i guess it wouldnt be a good idea to do that. I can se in your "mock up" that it is really deep in the back ( bustline) i didnt realise that. I have to make the back higher because of the corset. And apropos this corset from 1795 even if Norah Waugh says it was worn well into the next century, i believe that it was those who didnt follow the new fashion. The bustcurve is absolutely just like 18th century, and it is not good to make a regency dress. I have to get another regency corset pattern, i saw one at 5rivers wich was good. However i have to finish this dress in 10 days and no way i can import a regency corset pattern. Then my costumer has to wear the dress without a corset. Cynthia did you notice that the back is very narrow and bust very big. It wants to go into the armscye, (the front bust part) Have you tryed to wear the mock up? My corset does the same thing. I guess you have to pull your shoulders back when you wear this dress. Ill post pictures when i have finished, promise Bjarne > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 05:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30927 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 05:50:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05BLVF07774; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05BK0s23588; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05BJ2s23426 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2115F3A949F for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:19:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00be01c195e3$3b23c7c0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <4.1.20020104212330.017a1a80@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 06:19:31 -0600 Status: RO Try doing a search for Dawn Wells (yes, of Gilligan's Island fame.) She designs clothing for the physically challenged. Not historical, but you might be able to pick up some tips. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: wheelchair costumes > ><< He wears his old Ren. Faire clothes when he goes to Ren. > > Faire, and so what if the chair isn't period.>> > > > >Ooh! He could make it look like a throne! Instant charisma. > > One of the SCA Barons in Southern California, in the fourth or fifth year > of the SCA, was in a wheelchair. Dressed up in his Baronial robes and > crown he didn't need to decorate his chair to make it look like a throne. > OTOH, my housemate does lower-class/peasant, which doesn't go with thrones. > > >I'll have to look around, but I do believe I saw a book once on fashion > >designing for the wheelchair-bound... I'll try to find a link and post it > >here soon. I think this a worthy topic. > > I know I saw such a book - a little paperback thing. It could be the same > book, not that I would recognize it now, as there can't be many books on > that subject. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 08:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31487 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05EBfF14429; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:11:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05EA0s21588; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (b.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.103] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05E7ms21235 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 07:07:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31573 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 14:09:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.49) by mx2.famvid.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 14:09:45 -0000 Message-ID: <054801c195f2$316dfac0$4905fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:05:51 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Broneske" > I mean no offense or to be insensitive, but it looks like you have more than > issues with "gore and ick"! I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher movies, > they give me nightmares, but "Raiders of the Lost Ark" causing you to have > to go to the hospital and "LOTR" making you throw up? My Goodness! I don't > know how I would survive life, if I was that sensitive! > It isn't easy. However, at the tender age of 4, I was thrown from the backseat of my parents' car, through the windshield, when we were hit headon by a drunk driver at 70mph, and spent 35 days in ICU, having 5 surgeries, and having my face rebuilt. I'm talking part of my jawbone, part of my occipital ridge, ALL my nose cartilage (my nose was gone) etc are now built of plastic. I was separated from my mother and lived for 5 months with both arms splinted straight out in front of me because it was the only way to control my ripping the stitches out and such. I had great surgeons, and the results are virtually invisible, now that I'm 42. The psychologists I've seen have said that anything having to do with blood brings back all the pain and separation anxieties from that time, though I have no conscious memories of it. Personally, I don't mind living in a G-rated world, and the "sensitization" process is something WAY too long and painful to think of doing. I just avoid things that would upset me. Jeanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32504 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05HdiF26462; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:39:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hb0s03727; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05HZVs03462 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a2.1eb354c9 (4464) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:35:37 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:35:36 EST Status: RO --part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you tried having someone make something like the old chain covers for bikes? It should be possible to affix something that would keep your skirts out of the wheels. Wish I were closer, I love this kind of challenge. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Have you tried having someone make something like the old chain covers for bikes?  It should be possible to affix something that would keep your skirts out of the wheels.  Wish I were closer, I love this kind of challenge.

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--part1_a2.1eb354c9.29689368_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32609 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:25:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05HunF27996; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hs6s07535; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hmjs06466 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.163]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105174855.SUMD25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:48:55 +0100 Message-ID: <3C373CA2.6080802@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] what do you think Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:49:22 +0100 Status: RO Now i have finished this 1795 corset i want to use for the dress from 1803. But i need some help. What should i do. This corset is very oldfashioned. The bustline goes all the way down to the nipples. The front of the corset is so wide that you have to pull your shoulders back to fill it out. I guess the wearer would get the right body strukture, but really? I think it would be just the right thing to use for those Direktoire dresses, but this dress from 1803 is another thing. Do you think i should give it up and dont make a corset for the dress? I dont have a pattern for a real regency dress, and i have to finish the dress in 10 days. I think it would be wise to make the dress alone and then ask my lady to whom i am making it, to use a push up bra in stead. Please what do you think i should do? Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32621 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:28:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05HxbF28202; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:59:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Huss08072; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:56:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe8.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Hj6s05483 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:45:12 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.24.230.41] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2002 17:45:12.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA041F40:01C19610] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:45:06 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Expanding on this wonderful topic, when my littlest was too young to walk= , and I wanted to go to merchants row, I had to put her in her stroller. = I have FMS, which makes it impossible to keep picking her up and carryin= g her. Her little full skirts kept getting caught in the wheels too. But I made= a tie-on cozy that worked really well, plus being made out of a machine = wash heavy material. I went to the local thrift store and got a heavy ty= pe fabric bedspread (twin?) that draped over the seat, then had enough to= drape to the back, and cover the wheels in the front. It kinda looked l= ike a 'envelope' across the front. The back wheels still showed a little= . But the cozy made the 'good first impression' test. I liked this because= it kept her skirts from being caught in the wheels, and when it was mudd= y, the 'splatter' didn't get on her. It got on the cozy. I don't think this would work for manual wheelchairs, if the occupant had= to the propelling, but it might work if there was an assistant, maybe? = I have no experience in this, and would love to learn more. My mom loves = to go to fairs, and it's easier when she's in a chair. Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Barnes Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:55 PM To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup Quoth DebR: > You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file. > If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for > some reason.. Mea culpa. Turns out the "age restriction" was on. Default turns out to be dont show to the chillins. All better now. I just took 2 ft out of the back section, swept the borders a little fart her back. Drat. With all the fabric I took out I could have made the train to spec. Looks like the 7 meters would have been just fine, after all. Quoth Karen: >(and it's a tricky style to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old boy) But I am! That's what is so maddening about it. Measuring the N.Waugh diagram I see 28-39" at the high waist. I'm only 31". Quoth Drea: >Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid of the front >gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing the rest of the >fulness to the back, you'd get a better look. I used "stroked pleats" to >make the skirt on my muslin gown. Giggle. It's just a cheap sari I bought in Singapore over Thanksgiving. The real fabric (embroidered lawn or hankie linen batiste) is either unobtainable here in Japan or frighteningly expensive. It's so backwardsto do the mockup in silk & the real thing in cotton. Like I told y'all before it's all "because Japan is an island". The single pleat idea is good to make it hang flat at the side. Instead, I deepened the dart shown the diagram. Helps that back-sweep effect. I'll give the stroked pleats a shot in the real thing. Quoth Bjarne: >When you gather the skirt and you have sewed it to the bodice, you >should make a band inside the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make >a bend in the band and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice. Do you mean bias binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang freely? It's really fun that you're making this one too. Cant wait to see how yours comes out. Thanks one & all for being my on-line sewing circle! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Expanding on t= his wonderful topic, when my littlest was too young to walk, and I wanted= to go to merchants row, I had to put her in her stroller.  I have F= MS, which makes it impossible to keep picking her up and carrying her.&nb= sp;
 
Her little full skirts kept getting cau= ght in the wheels too.  But I made a tie-on cozy that worked really = well, plus being made out of a machine wash heavy material.  I went = to the local thrift store and got a heavy type fabric bedspread (twin?) t= hat draped over the seat, then had enough to drape to the back, and cover= the wheels in the front.  It kinda looked like a 'envelope' across = the front.  The back wheels still showed a little.
 =
But the cozy made the 'good first impression' test.  I l= iked this because it kept her skirts from being caught in the wheels, and= when it was muddy, the 'splatter' didn't get on her.  It got on the= cozy.
 
I don't think this would work for man= ual wheelchairs, if the occupant had to the propelling, but it might work= if there was an assistant, maybe?  I have no experience in this, an= d would love to learn more. My mom loves to go to fairs, and it's easier = when she's in a chair.
 
Gia/Giacinta
 
=
----- Original Message -----
From:= Cynthia Barnes
Sent: Friday= , January 04, 2002 9:55 PM
To: 'h-costume@indra.com'
Subject= : RE: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup
 
Quoth DebR:=
> You have to sign into Yahoo! to view the Bib Front file.
>= If you don't sign in, that particular file does not come up for
> = some reason..

Mea culpa. Turns out the "age restriction" was on. D= efault turns out to be
dont show to the chillins. All better now.
<= BR>I just took 2 ft out of the back section, swept the borders a little f= arther
back.  Drat. With all the fabric I took out I could have m= ade the train to
spec.  Looks like the 7 meters would have been j= ust fine, after all.

Quoth Karen:
>(and it's a tricky style = to wear if you aren't built like a 12 year old
boy)

But I am!&n= bsp; That's what is so maddening about it.  Measuring the N.Waughdiagram I see 28-39" at the high waist.  I'm only 31".

Quoth= Drea:
>Lovely fabric! I agree with the gathering--if you got rid o= f the front
>gathers and just put one pleat at either side, pushing= the rest of the
>fulness to the back, you'd get a better look.&nbs= p; I used "stroked pleats" to
>make the skirt on my muslin gown.
Giggle. It's just a cheap sari I bought in Singapore over Thanksgivi= ng.  The
real fabric (embroidered lawn or hankie linen batiste) i= s either
unobtainable here in Japan or frighteningly expensive.  = It's so backwards to
do the mockup in silk & the real thing in cot= ton.  Like I told y'all before
it's all "because Japan is an isla= nd".

The single pleat idea is good to make it hang flat at the sid= e. Instead, I
deepened the dart shown the diagram.  Helps that ba= ck-sweep effect.   I'll
give the stroked pleats a shot in th= e real thing.

Quoth Bjarne:
>When you gather the skirt and&n= bsp; you have sewed it to the bodice, you
>should make a band insid= e the bodice to cover the thick gatherring. Make
>a bend in the ban= d and hide the seam behind the band and the bodice.

Do you mean bi= as binding? Should it connect to the bodice or just hang
freely?
It's really fun that you're making this one too.  Cant wait to see= how yours
comes out.

Thanks one & all for being my on-line= sewing circle!
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo

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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C195CD.A7E68020-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:47:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32699 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:47:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05IJHF29462; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05IGXs12779; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:16:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05I2hs09463 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:02:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from scott.jigrah.co.uk ([80.1.58.207]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105180253.JPPF308.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@scott.jigrah.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:02:53 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020105175408.00b31158@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt8296337-1938@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Jill @ JiGraH" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ladder Lacing In-Reply-To: <005701c195b1$bc49fcc0$99ceadcb@user> References: <3C357014.3680.8A6FD88@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:01:56 +0000 Status: RO Hello All delurking, just to put in my two penn'orth when straight lacing a corset (17th C) the laces don't cross at the back, the crossing from one side to the other is all in front of the fabric. back to lurking again. Jill At 19:25 05/01/2002 +1300, you wrote: > > > On the back side of the lacings? I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > > When the edges to be laced do not meet, the back side of the lacing > > > would also be visible. > > In a photograph that would be true, but sometimes the laces on the > > underside are not shown. (Artist's convention?) Sir Thomas Tyldesley's Regiment of Foote - Kings Army - being part of the English Civil War Society www.jigrah.co.uk - JigraH Resources _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 12:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32755 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:57:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05ITaF00363; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:29:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05IQrs15144; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05I26s09267 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.4c.47472fc (4464) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:02:10 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.47472fc.296899a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you think To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:02:10 EST Status: RO --part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that if you made a correct corset, it was probably meant to force the shoulders back. Look at pictures of the period -- those ladies did not slouch over like we do. If your customer thinks it is too uncomfortable let her get her own bra, but it will not give the period look that your corset will. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I think that if you made a correct corset, it was probably meant to force the shoulders back.  Look at pictures of the period -- those ladies did not slouch over like we do.  If your customer thinks it is too uncomfortable let her get her own bra, but it will not give the period look that your corset will.

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--part1_4c.47472fc.296899a2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 14:47:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00771 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:47:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05KJ5F08237; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:19:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05KG8s12435; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05JoRs05413 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:50:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.196.103.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.196.103] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Mwpx-0000Lr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:50:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3C37593A.BECE9F1D@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:51:22 -0600 Status: RO kris wrote: > > what, exactly, are neck gussets? Is there a pic online that I could see, or > can someone give simple directions for this jet lagged brain? *S* > OK, your standard 16th century shirt has a T slit cut for the neckline. The crossbar of the T is gathered into a neckband. A neck gusset is a little triangular piece that gets sewn into the ends of the crossbar, making the slit slightly more circular and one continuous piece instead of two fronts and a back. Clear as mud? For a look at a period shirt pattern (from Arnold), go to: http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/images/BlackworkShirtPattern2_a2.jpg -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01113 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LtBF15440; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Lsas05767; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:54:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20406.mail.yahoo.com (web20406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.125]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05Ixgs23053 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:59:46 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020105185952.18150.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 10:59:52 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <054801c195f2$316dfac0$4905fea9@jeanne> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:59:52 -0800 (PST) Status: RO So, I was looking at a picture of a Jane Seymour portrait I have framed in my sewing room and thinking that the dress looked like velveteen (in my print at least), and then I thought that of any time of the year to try and buy velveteen, now might be a good one, because stores will theoretically be clearancing their stocks they had for holiday projects. And I thought "hey, I might want to do a Tudor dress within the next year - I should go buy some velveteen!" But the thing is, so far I really don't know much about Tudor. Is velveteen really as good a choice as it seems to me? How much should I buy to make sure I have enough for the main part of a dress? (I'm not exceptionally huge or anything.) Thanks for supporting my fabric-buying addiction! -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01128 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LwlF15848; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05LwYs06632; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05JuAs06884 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:56:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.196.103.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.196.103] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16MwvV-00064D-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:56:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3C375A92.E0F5CC16@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:57:07 -0600 Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > He pointed > out that, if a shirt is merely gathered into the neckline at the > back, there is extra fullness at the upper back shoulder line that > tends to migrate toward the front, causing the sleeves to twist. This > tightens the shirt in the upper arm area, which he finds > uncomfortable. > > Anyone else have this experience? Chris, Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I measure the neck, the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. When I gather to a neckline, I make sure that the back half of the shirt is gathered to the back of the neck measurement. (Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather unevenly, with the majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01132 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LwpF15869; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Lwcs06668; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05KKGs13393 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.111]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105202026.XMXE16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <3C376025.80408@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Pompei-Herculanum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:20:53 +0100 Status: RO I juat read that the Italians has found another old city near Vesuvius vulcan. It is near the city Nola and it is older than Pompei and Herculanum. It is burried of the Vulcans ashes just like the other cities and it is 4000 years old. The Experts expect Vesuvius to get another eruption just as powerfull as the one that destroyed the cities within 20 years. I am glad that i dont live in Neples. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:28:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01135 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05LwdF15826; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05LwQs06586; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:58:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05JCss26624 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:12:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12548 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d41.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.41]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g05JD3n02994 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:13:03 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:14:03 -0800 Status: RO Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, stumps me. Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with fashion you never know. Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with nanotechnology that went out of control. So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:49:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01215 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:49:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MLDF17425; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05ML0s11644; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MK8s11485 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:20:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.8d.11f080f9 (16633) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:07 EST Status: RO --part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of expertise, but I was fascinated. Take a look at this website and see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of expertise, but I was fascinated.  Take a look at this website and see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone

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--part1_8d.11f080f9.2968d617_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 16:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01239 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MRDF17789; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MR0s13064; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MPus12829 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:25:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.14a.6cc3a43 (16633) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <14a.6cc3a43.2968d777@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pompei-Herculanum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:25:59 EST Status: RO --part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was the article in English? Where can I find more information? I am fascinated by Vesuvius and have visited both Herculanum and Pompeii and walked around the rim of the volcano watching the puffs of steam venting out of it. That wasn't nearly as freightening as the ride down the mountain at full speed ahead with a taxi driver who smelled of beer and came to every curve with his horn blasting away and seemed to have forgotten where the break pedal was. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Was the article in English?  Where can I find more information?  I am fascinated by Vesuvius and have visited both Herculanum and Pompeii and walked around the rim of the volcano watching the puffs of steam venting out of it.  That wasn't nearly as freightening as the ride down the mountain at full speed ahead with a taxi driver who smelled of beer and came to every curve with his horn blasting away and seemed to have forgotten where the break pedal was.

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--part1_14a.6cc3a43.2968d777_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:01:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01287 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:01:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MXDF18194; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:33:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MX0s14246; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05MW7s14058 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:32:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from modemcable035.48-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca (HELO pentium3) (24.200.48.35) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 22:32:18 -0000 Message-ID: <010701c19639$1b72dfa0$5030c818@WorkGroup> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> <3C37593A.BECE9F1D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:34:13 -0500 Status: RO So you need to make the slit wider in order to insert the gusset than it would have been if there hadn't been a gusset there, right? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magdalena" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts > kris wrote: > > > what, exactly, are neck gussets? Is there a pic online that I could see, or > > can someone give simple directions for this jet lagged brain? *S* > > > > OK, your standard 16th century shirt has a T slit cut for the neckline. The > crossbar of the T is gathered into a neckband. A neck gusset is a little > triangular piece that gets sewn into the ends of the crossbar, making the slit > slightly more circular and one continuous piece instead of two fronts and a back. > Clear as mud? > > For a look at a period shirt pattern (from Arnold), go to: > http://home.earthlink.net/~magdlena/shirt/images/BlackworkShirtPattern2_a2.jpg > > -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:11:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01310 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:11:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MgmF18778; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:42:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05MgZs16286; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Mcls15545 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPHLKZ00.65T for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:38:59 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020105185952.18150.qmail@web20406.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:35:34 -0800 Status: RO Velveteen is perfect, and buy 10 yards. Ok, I always say buy 10 yards of anything, but in this case, if you mean Tudor, with the wide turnback sleeves, you do want to make sure you have plenty, including enough to experiment with. And don't skimp on the skirt! Just my tuppence ha'penny, of course. MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Angela Kovatch > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:00 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor > > > So, I was looking at a picture of a Jane Seymour > portrait I have framed in my sewing room > > and thinking that the dress looked like velveteen (in > my print at least), and then I thought that of any > time of the year to try and buy velveteen, now might > be a good one, because stores will theoretically be > clearancing their stocks they had for holiday > projects. And I thought "hey, I might want to do a > Tudor dress within the next year - I should go buy > some velveteen!" > > But the thing is, so far I really don't know much > about Tudor. Is velveteen really as good a choice as > it seems to me? How much should I buy to make sure I > have enough for the main part of a dress? (I'm not > exceptionally huge or anything.) > > Thanks for supporting my fabric-buying addiction! > > -Angela > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01356 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05MtDF19666; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Mt0s19260; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Mqfs18487 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:52:43 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:52:15 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA9@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:52:11 -0800 Status: RO IMO, a push up bra would give the wrong contour line. How 'bout widely set shoulderstraps on the corset? Lots of 18th corsets had straps like the 1793 one in "Corsets & Crinolines". If you havent already got built-in straps you could add them with a panel, gromments & ribbon ties. If you do have straps, perhaps they are just in the wrong place, slightly off angle, too loose or too tight. (Uck, so many possibilities!) > The front of the corset is so wide that you have to pull > your shoulders back to fill it out. Re-reading this, I now wonder whether it's actually laced snug enough. Even with my boyish figure, there's something to squish. Others, more generously endowed, might be able to "rearrange their assets" but I've never had this option. In truth I'd need to a photo of the wearer, but would understand completely if she didnt want to be viewed online even by a bunch of caring costumers such as ourselves. Quite honestly, I'd like a similar opinion, but have opted to be coy. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > This corset is very oldfashioned. The bustline goes all the > way down to > the nipples. The front of the corset is so wide that you have to pull > your shoulders back to fill it out. >I guess the wearer would get the > right body strukture, but really? > I think it would be just the right thing to use for those Direktoire > dresses, but this dress from 1803 is another thing. > Do you think i should give it up and dont make a corset for > the dress?> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01407 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05N7HF20688; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:07:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05N70s22096; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g05N6Ns21953 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:06:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9050 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2002 23:06:33 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2002 23:06:33 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d136.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.136]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g05N6Wd28321 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:06:32 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C378735.86755BC0@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:07:33 -0800 Status: RO Thanks! It's the tube scarf/shrug on this page: http://store.yahoo.com/sowear/sweaters.html But to achieve _that_ look, in terms of coordinates, I'd have to polish my behind. What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? Fran LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of > expertise, but I was fascinated. Take a look at this website and > see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone > > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01417 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:39:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NBDF20990; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NB0s22987; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05N9Gs22638 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g05N9e199472 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201052309.g05N9e199472@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment In-Reply-To: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> "from Lavolta Press at Jan 5, 2002 11:14:03 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It sounds like a "thneed" -- you see them a lot in SF. THey stretch amazingly, and can be worn over the shoulders [with your head going through the hole] -- as a scarf, as a dress [if you are daring] etc etc etc -- or as a bicycle seat cover. .heather. > Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts > they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These > include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, > stumps me. > > Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying > to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our > current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked > > his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose > color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and > black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this > > theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. > > Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects > to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the > support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand > knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity > > makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). > About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn > into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, > though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 > 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be > turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading > "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted > in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, > with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. > > So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's > called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this > sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, > short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems > to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with > fashion you never know. > > Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. > My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It > may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined > evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with > nanotechnology that went out of control. > > So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? > > Fran > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01467 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NOEF22018; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NO1s26150; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NM4s25656 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.123.122] ([68.37.193.177]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020105232216.MEQT617.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.123.122]> for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:22:16 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment From: Bettina Bierly To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:28:34 -0800 Status: RO on 1/5/02 11:14 AM, Lavolta Press at fran@lavoltapress.com wrote: > Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts > they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These > include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, > stumps me. > > Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying > to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our > current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked > > his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose > color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and > black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this > > theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. > > Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects > to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the > support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand > knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity > > makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). > About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn > into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, > though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 > 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be > turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading > "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted > in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, > with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. > > So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's > called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this > sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, > short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems > to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with > fashion you never know. > > Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. > My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It > may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined > evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with > nanotechnology that went out of control. > > So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? > > Fran It sounds like a shrug. They are are often worn over dresses (especially in the evening) and lately have been textured (fuzzy) or even sparkley. They were worn in the 1950's for a time and can be very chic. Bettina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01483 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:55:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NRDF22236; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NR0s26751; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NPfs26486 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:25:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.14f.6ccca4a (16633) for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <14f.6ccca4a.2968e578@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:25:44 EST Status: RO --part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 6:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? > Darned if I know. I think that sort of thing was popular back when I was younger and I found them useless. Not warm enough to keep you from being cold or too warm otherwise . Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/5/02 6:08:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes:


What are you supposed to wear a shrug with?

      Darned if I know.  I think that sort of thing was popular back when I was younger and I found them useless.  Not warm enough to keep you from being cold or too warm otherwise
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Lalah
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--part1_14f.6ccca4a.2968e578_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 17:58:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01489 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:58:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NU7F22489; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NTss27450; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:29:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NOCs26187 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:23:46 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:24:16 -0800 Status: RO Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. (... and hello to Allan) --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01509 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:02:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NYDF22769; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:34:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NY0s28321; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NWos28079 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.174]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020105233301.QMKY11568.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 00:33:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3C378D47.10309@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> <3C378735.86755BC0@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:33:27 +0100 Status: RO Hello. I would never have guessed what it was, but now i se it, i rather like it. Very nice! Bjarne Lavolta Press wrote: >Thanks! It's the tube scarf/shrug on this page: > >http://store.yahoo.com/sowear/sweaters.html > >But to achieve _that_ look, in terms of coordinates, I'd have to >polish my behind. > >What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? > >Fran > >LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > >>As a totally fashion challenged person, this is not my area of >>expertise, but I was fascinated. Take a look at this website and >>see if you can get some help here. Fashion Designer: Smith & Hone >> >>Lalah >>Never Give up, Never Surrender, >>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:11:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01549 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:11:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g05NhEF23334; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:43:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05Nh0s01042; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NeZs00404 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-lvp-vty1.as.wcom.net [216.193.21.1]) by glatton.cnchost.com id SAA16197; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:40:46 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200201041456.g04Eucs12044@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:37:53 -0800 Status: RO Here are a few shots of hobbit women from the front: http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=958&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F12%5F15%5F20%5F11%5F10%2Ejpg - extras 2/ shot http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=736&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F11%5F28%5F9%5F29%5F21%2Ejpg - girl, hero, full bodice Went and watched the film again last night with pad and pen. These pictures do not do justice to the detailing on a lot of the "hero hobbit" bodices. A lot of those had fabric mixes of plaids or stripes with a more solid color. Seeing these, it's easy to see where they seamed the pieces to shape the bodices. The bodices are very colorful with braid edging the joined fabric pieces. There are also colorful tabs across the bodice tops. Another had a narrow "V" pattern of lacings, couldn't tell if it was false. Not all the fancy bodices have square necks, some are shaped, some have cut out in the front. Colors examples: Brown plaid bodice front, green sides, brown trim; red stripes in the side with lighter colors in front. These are very obvious differences and make the bodices very bright... and very fun looking. Question of all.... I know we're been Off Topic with the LOTR costume stuff, but I haven't found other groups doing serious discussion. Is there enough interest to start a board somewhere for discussion??? -Cat- Children didn't seem to have bodices, more like jumpers, with a bit of wings. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01717 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060GEF25446; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060G0s08297; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060Eos08066 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:14:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:57 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAC@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset & Merveilleuse) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:14:54 -0800 Status: RO This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version. Corset-less. I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around. Since I intended to do Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently would go ahead and show her nipples to the world. I have an 1801 Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink. Looks like fruit on a platter. Wish I could show you! It's in the storage locker in Calif. That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up just a tad. Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine antiques flea market. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo ------_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version.  Corset-less.  I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around.  Since I intended to do Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently would go ahead and show her nipples to the world.  I have an 1801 Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink.  Looks like fruit on a platter. Wish I could show you!  It's in the storage locker in Calif.
That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up just a tad.  Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine antiques flea market.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C19647.2A7FFD80-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:48:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01728 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:48:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060KDF25768; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060K0s09342; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060Hrs08845 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:17:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:18:00 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAD@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:17:57 -0800 Status: RO f-costume? some of this group are subscribers. --cin in Tokyo > Question of all.... I know we're been Off Topic with the LOTR > costume stuff, > but I haven't found other groups doing serious discussion. > Is there enough > interest to start a board somewhere for discussion??? > > -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 18:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01742 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:51:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060N7F25979; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060Mss09921; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:22:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g060GVs08410 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:16:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27150 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d118.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.118]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g060Gff12157 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:16:41 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C3797A5.BE0FE513@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 16:17:41 -0800 Status: RO My brother, apparently, thinks I'm always going to modern black tie events. He says _everybody_ does that in New York. On the other hand, this beats the upholstery-cleaning machine he gave me last year. He thinks I do _housework_? I'm still trying to think of a way to unload the thing. Fran Cynthia Barnes wrote: > Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've > known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. > (... and hello to Allan) > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > _______________________________________________ --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 19:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01799 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:04:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g060aEF26824; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060a0s12668; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g060X8s12103 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-7-122.s1900.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.7.122] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16N1FY-0003Ht-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3C379C9B.AD72D3C8@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:38:51 -0500 Status: RO Cat Devereaux wrote: > > Here are a few shots of hobbit women from the front: > > http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=958&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi > ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F12%5F15%5F20%5F11%5F10%2Ejpg - > extras 2/ shot > http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=736&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi > ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F11%5F28%5F9%5F29%5F21%2Ejpg - > girl, hero, full bodice Ok, I'm confused! All I get is something that looks Czechoslovakian and no pictures. I can't even figure out how to navigate! The pictures sound great and I'm heading off to Jo-Mar Fabrics in Philly tomorrow (for anyone in the Philly area: Jo-Mar is having their 50% clearance sale until Jan 28). > Went and watched the film again last night with pad and pen. These pictures > do not do justice to the detailing on a lot of the "hero hobbit" bodices. A > lot of those had fabric mixes of plaids or stripes with a more solid color. > Seeing these, it's easy to see where they seamed the pieces to shape the > bodices. I know you mentioned this before... do you mean by shaped pieces, that the bodice is more of a "princess style" front rather than a conventional vest that uses darts? -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 19:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01994 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:54:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g061QFF29842; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:26:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061Q0s22802; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061P8s22628 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A74947902BC; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: <016801c19650$ac3ccb60$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAD@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:22:55 -0500 Status: RO f-costume is really quiet right now. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia Barnes" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women > > f-costume? some of this group are subscribers. > --cin in Tokyo > > Question of all.... I know we're been Off Topic with the LOTR > > costume stuff, > > but I haven't found other groups doing serious discussion. > > Is there enough > > interest to start a board somewhere for discussion??? > > > > -Cat- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 20:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02073 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g061oFF01444; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061o0s28151; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g061lOs27550 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:47:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust68.tnt5.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.116.68] helo=hppav) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16N2PQ-0004Cg-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 20:47:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c19654$b4ade8c0$4474e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Re:The H-Costume swap & sell community - a question for the list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:51:47 -0600 Status: RO Just tried to sign up. Keep getting thre message that my user name (Genie or kero)is already taken. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 21:00:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02176 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:00:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g062WFF04228; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062W0s07030; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com (web20408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.127]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g062Uls06768 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:30:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020106023059.38277.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:30:59 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <14f.6ccca4a.2968e578@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:30:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I have one that is just the thing after a dance practice, when the team goes to a restaurant or something. Any time other than actual winter, I just need something on my arms, and the little bit across my back is just right. Of course, mine is not NY Chic (more like $20 and machine washable), so I don't mind if it gets kinda sweaty. -Angela --- LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/5/02 6:08:16 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > > > What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? > > > Darned if I know. I think that sort of thing > was popular back when I > was younger and I found them useless. Not warm > enough to keep you from being > cold or too warm otherwise > . > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - > Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy > Bears at > http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 21:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02221 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:13:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g062jFF04991; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062j1s09461; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01.chello.no (mta01.chello.no [212.186.255.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062hYs09236 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no ([213.46.219.41]) by mta01.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.03.00.00 201-232-121 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020106024345.HMBL394.mta01@studorg.hiof.no> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 03:43:45 +0100 Message-ID: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> From: "Ingrid G. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [no] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: no MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:44:35 +0100 Status: RO Hello, all! All the talk about the merveilleuse gown has made me remember something: in March I'll be going to an event where I'll be wearing late 18th century gowns. I've not yet made them and have not decided on a pattern, although I suppose I'll draft something based on Arnold. That's not the problem however; what I'm wondering is this: what fabrics would Regency gowns be made of for winter use? I'm thinking maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel underdress. Or something? It can't be very fancy; I need to look like a lower middle class type person - but I also need to be warm. :) The event will last for five days; housing will be in really old houses and a lot will probably happen out of doors, so staying warm is of the essence. However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. (I will of course be wearing stays, but there's limits to the kind of magic they can work. ;) ) Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 21:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02240 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g062pEF05484; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062p0s10875; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g062nss10613 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:49:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D72B63A95AA for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:50:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018101c19665$4c215240$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <3C37507B.1FE8CA96@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:50:35 -0600 Status: RO It sounds vaguely like a shrug--I guess they are to be used when the only thing you want kept warm is your arms..I have seen such an item, I couldn't tell you about its practicality or lack thereof. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment > Yesterday, I received a package from my family containing the gifts > they forgot to send with the first two Christmas packages. These > include a hand-knitted garment from my brother, which, I must admit, > stumps me. > > Tearing my husband away from our mutual scientific pursuit of trying > to identify our species of ant so we can buy the correct traps (our > current ant "restaurants" are patronized only by B-list ants), I asked > > his opinion. He thinks it is a sweater for a python--a python whose > color chart recommends a combination of charcoal gray, ivory, and > black in stripes. Though the shape and size of the garment favor this > > theory, my brother knows we don't own a python. > > Reminding myself that it's the duty of a writer on technical subjects > to boldy confront mysterious objects and procedures without the > support of a user manual, I analyzed the garment. Specs: Hand > knitted, about 4 3/4 feet long and 1 foot wide (the knit's elasticity > > makes it hard to measure, and like all knits it can stretch larger). > About 15 inches on each end sewn into a tube. The middle not sewn > into a tube, though tending to curl inwards. A muffler? Possibly, > though a rather long and large one. Seam facing outward for about 6 > 1/2 inches on each tubular end, indicating that end is designed to be > turned up, especially since one end bears a contrasting label reading > "smith & hone." Sleeves? I put an arm into each end. This resulted > in a garment with two rather short sleeves and large turned-up cuffs, > with the nontubular part hanging like a stole across my back. > > So I know how to wear it . . . maybe. What I don't know is what it's > called, and more importantly, what to wear it _with_. Is this > sportswear? Evening wear? Is it worn over long-sleeved, > short-sleeved, or sleeveless garments? Over dresses or ?? It seems > to be more of an accessory than for functional warmth--but with > fashion you never know. > > Whatever the Knitted Thing is, it's sure to be trendy in Manhattan. > My brother never gives me anything that's not trendy in Manhattan. It > may also be expensive, since his gifts tend to be. The sequined > evening purse he gave me looks like the sequins were applied with > nanotechnology that went out of control. > > So--can any New York fashion mavens on the list help me? > > Fran > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 22:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02452 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:28:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0640GF09777; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06401s25606; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g063wMs25293 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:58:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:58:30 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.229 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:58:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.229] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabricaholic tempted by Tudor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jan 2002 03:58:30.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[66FE58A0:01C19666] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 03:58:29 Status: RO Velveteen is a wonderful fabric to make a Tudor dress out of. (It's what I used - my wedding dress was a Tudor dress) I purchased over 8 yards of velveteen, and we still had to piece the gores. The next time I made the dress from a 54" wide linen/cotton blend, I bought 10 yards. No piecing, and almost a yard left over. (I didn't make a stomacher for the first dress, and haven't yet made it for the second.) My wedding dress had an 18" train on it - the second dress didn't. BTW - I'm not exceptionally huge either. 5'2" and approx. 130 pounds. Mary/Katerine (who will Someday get the pics of that dress up on her website) >So, I was looking at a picture of a Jane Seymour >portrait I have framed in my sewing room > >and thinking that the dress looked like velveteen (in >my print at least), and then I thought that of any >time of the year to try and buy velveteen, now might >be a good one, because stores will theoretically be >clearancing their stocks they had for holiday >projects. And I thought "hey, I might want to do a >Tudor dress within the next year - I should go buy >some velveteen!" > >But the thing is, so far I really don't know much >about Tudor. Is velveteen really as good a choice as >it seems to me? How much should I buy to make sure I >have enough for the main part of a dress? (I'm not >exceptionally huge or anything.) > >Thanks for supporting my fabric-buying addiction! > >-Angela > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 22:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02496 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:43:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g064FFF10717; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064F1s28486; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g064Dfs28269 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10301 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 04:08:44 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080229.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.229) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 04:08:44 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020105221705.009eb4d0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women In-Reply-To: <3C379C9B.AD72D3C8@oldwaylane.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 22:18:42 -0600 Status: RO At 07:38 PM 1/5/02 -0500, you wrote: >Cat Devereaux wrote: > > > > Here are a few shots of hobbit women from the front: > > > > > http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/picture_show.asp?id=958&obr_url=../gfx%2Fpi > > ctures%5Fclanky%2Flotr%5Fgal%5Fvelky%5F2001%5F12%5F15%5F20%5F11%5F10%2Ejpg > >Ok, I'm confused! All I get is something that looks >Czechoslovakian and no pictures. I can't even figure out how >to navigate! The URL is extremely long and has wrapped around onto 2 lines. Copy and paste the 2 parts together & then enter them in your browser's location bar. HTH! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 22:52:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02526 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g064OEF11243; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064O0s00546; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064Nqs00511 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p653-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.145]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA09974 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:24:01 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p653-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.194.145] claimed to be user Message-ID: <007c01c19669$1a02ad00$91c2adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C379C9B.AD72D3C8@oldwaylane.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR costume details - hobbit women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:37 +1300 Status: RO > I know you mentioned this before... do you mean by shaped > pieces, that the bodice is more of a "princess style" front > rather than a conventional vest that uses darts? Not princess styled, but use of vertical panels to acheive shaping, very little.. mostly tubuler but feminine.. I think to keep them from being pinned in any historical era. And no darts. I've not ever seen any darts on her work. In fantasy she has used cup shaped peices for shaping round the bosom, but even on Cleo I don't recall darts (except when extras had to provide their own base costume of course).... I think she doesn't like them:) This thread is reminding me why I need to get a better agent.. I need to be out there again working! michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 5 23:14:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02670 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:14:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g064jGF12378; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064j1s04603; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from repulse.cnchost.com (repulse.concentric.net [207.155.248.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g064i4s04393 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-lwj-vty30.as.wcom.net [216.193.30.30]) by repulse.cnchost.com id XAA03256; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:44:10 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201060405.g0645as26713@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] LOTR - details - link problems Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 20:41:22 -0800 Status: RO >>Ok, I'm confused! All I get is something that looks >>Czechoslovakian and no pictures. I can't even figure out how >>to navigate! All the links are two lines... you've got to get the whole thing... or to look at all 600 plus images, http://www.fantasyplanet.cz/lotr/galeriefilm.asp. Be careful when you're on this site, it's not good about going backwards... bookmark as you browse because sometimes you lose the ability to navigate back to the index. Some images are very large... so be patient. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 03:56:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19484 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 03:56:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g069STF25568; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:28:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069S0s26718; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069Ras26653 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:27:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-138.frys.com [66.121.20.138]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g069Q2r07057 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:26:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106012737.00cfd930@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA8@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 01:35:16 -0800 Status: RO >> > Wishful thinking? False advertising? >> >> Over-inflated ego? Testoterone poisoning? A triumph of hope over reality? > >Art? "High" Art? Well, I've seen some which looked like stuffed animals: roosters, elephants, and fish, to name a few. No way do I think those are period. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 04:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19711 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:15:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g069lGF26102; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:47:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069l0s00405; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g069i7s29789 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g069iUvo005566 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:44:31 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: LOTR Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <002a01c194a0$b5766d00$64c4abd0@mshome.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:54:49 -0800 Status: RO Time for him to do some reading up on the Tolkien's background. I heartily suggest "The Master of Middle-Earth". Certainly the books have as a good basic background those arch-types that English and Pre-WWI school children grew up knowing about. Not only was Tolkien a professor of languages and their origins, he was also a child of his times. Regina -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Joan Broneske Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 1:51 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: LOTR My husband believes that a lot of LOTR was based on Nordic mythology; afterall, there is Gandalf (a lot like Odin), elves, dwarves and "little people" (hobbits). I can see the similarity, at least in the races of characters that were used. ,%%%, Joan Broneske --==% `%%%, unicorn@softcom.net |' )`%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% > > __________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 05:30:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20163 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 05:30:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06B2IF28293; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:02:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B21s25909; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B1Js25824 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:01:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.246]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106110132.EYA16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:01:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3C382EA6.6070906@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset & Merveilleuse) References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAC@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:01:58 +0100 Status: RO Dear Cynthia You are absolutely right. But my lady is going to a Sct. Petersball in London and people i know says she is very shy. No way she would go to the ball like that! I think i make it without a corset! :-) Bjarne Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, > perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version. > Corset-less. I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 > N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around. Since I intended to do > Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently > would go ahead and show her nipples to the world. I have an 1801 > Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are > not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink. Looks like fruit on > a platter. Wish I could show you! It's in the storage locker in Calif. > > That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up > just a tad. Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the > wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine > antiques flea market. > > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 05:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20172 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 05:34:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06B6GF28402; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B60s26556; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06B5As26428 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 04:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.246]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106110524.FLO16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:05:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3C382F8D.50604@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:05:49 +0100 Status: RO Dear Ingtid. In the costume exhibit i saw at Lund, Sweden. There was a quilted winter coat for a lady. It was quilted with big pipes at the bottom and along the center front opening. It was made in silk but it was lined with wool. The colour was ice-blue Bjarne Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: >Hello, all! All the talk about the merveilleuse gown has made me >remember something: in March I'll be going to an event where I'll be >wearing late 18th century gowns. I've not yet made them and have not >decided on a pattern, although I suppose I'll draft something based on >Arnold. That's not the problem however; what I'm wondering is this: what >fabrics would Regency gowns be made of for winter use? I'm thinking >maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel >underdress. Or something? It can't be very fancy; I need to look like a >lower middle class type person - but I also need to be warm. :) The >event will last for five days; housing will be in really old houses and >a lot will probably happen out of doors, so staying warm is of the >essence. However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer >not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. (I will of course >be wearing stays, but there's limits to the kind of magic they can work. >;) ) > >Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need >apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or >do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I >should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never >done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions >anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) > >Ingrid >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 09:27:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24775 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:27:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06EwcF07055; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:58:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06EwIs08668; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06EuFs08058 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.163]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106145629.BOHW16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3C3865B6.1060703@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] large dress for a man Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:56:54 +0100 Status: RO Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun. Bjarne Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 09:42:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24850 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06FEYF08201; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:14:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06FEHs13231; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06FBRs12452 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NExZ-000MYh-0X for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:11:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: color marketing group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:05 +0000 Status: RO I wish nobody bothered matching things, and then maybe we could get colours we like. Who will end the rule of pink, purple and powder blue? I'm an autumn person, for goodness' sake! JEan In message , Gail & Scott Finke writes > > >The Color Marketing Group is, in my opinion, a giant scam. They "forecast" >colors for the coming year, colors which they also happen to make available >to paying customers. Everyone has to use them, because if you don't, then >your stuff doesn't match everyone else's stuff. Your carpet lines don't >match the current upholstery fabrics, for instance, or your car upholstery >vinyl doesn't match the available car paint colors. And they're not cheap! > >Yes, I have a rather violent opinion of them, and yes, it is an informed >opinion. I have worked in the graphic design field for more than a decade, >and I have interviewed "forecasters" and gone to seminars they put on. IMHO, >it's a terrible trick! > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 09:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24856 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:44:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06FGaF08366; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06FGHs13762; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20310.mail.yahoo.com (web20310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06FDTs13025 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:13:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.91] by web20310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:13:44 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 12th Century English Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 07:13:44 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Headgear question for above (noblewoman's attire): Must there be a fillet-thing, or can I get by with just the barbette & veil? If there is a fillet, can it just be a stiffened circle of the same 1-1/2" trim used on the over-tunic? What exactly holds the fillet onto your head -- is it just sitting there or fastened down somehow? Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:22:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25147 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06GsYF14385; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:54:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06GsGs12618; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Gp1s11474 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106165116.QCLO14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <3C388047.30A0F20@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C3797A5.BE0FE513@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:50:15 -0600 Status: RO The shrug or the cleaner? *L* Katie Lavolta Press wrote: > > My brother, apparently, thinks I'm always going to modern black tie events. He > says _everybody_ does that in New York. On the other hand, this beats the > upholstery-cleaning machine he gave me last year. He thinks I do _housework_? > I'm still trying to think of a way to unload the thing. > > Fran > > Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've > > known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. > > (... and hello to Allan) > > --cin > > Cynthia in Tokyo > > _______________________________________________ > > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25180 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:32:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06H4XF15020; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:04:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06H4Gs24304; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:04:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06H1qs18390 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20578 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d184.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.184]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g06H26T02230 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:02:06 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C38834C.7F726166@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C3797A5.BE0FE513@lavoltapress.com> <3C388047.30A0F20@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:03:08 -0800 Status: RO Defniitely the cleaner. Fran Katie wrote: > The shrug or the cleaner? *L* > > Katie > > Lavolta Press wrote: > > > > My brother, apparently, thinks I'm always going to modern black tie events. He > > says _everybody_ does that in New York. On the other hand, this beats the > > upholstery-cleaning machine he gave me last year. He thinks I do _housework_? > > I'm still trying to think of a way to unload the thing. > > > > Fran > > > > Cynthia Barnes wrote: > > > > > Wow! How 'bout a Fortuny gown? It occurs to me, that in all the years I've > > > known you, I've never seen you in anything other than historicals. > > > (... and hello to Allan) > > > --cin > > > Cynthia in Tokyo > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Visit our web pages! > > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Historic and vintage dance > > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25237 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:48:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HKXF16142; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HKGs28530; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HH1s27748 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.121.9ea93e5 (4570) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:17:08 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <121.9ea93e5.2969e094@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] large dress for a man To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:17:08 EST Status: RO --part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i > would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun. > > Especially if he's into period drag! Get paid up front! --part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i
would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun.



Especially if he's into period drag!


Get paid up front! --part1_121.9ea93e5.2969e094_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:54:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25332 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:54:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HQXF16441; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:26:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HQGs00272; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HNbs29408 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:23:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.146.57.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.146.57] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NH1V-0001r2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:23:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C38885B.2841BDBB@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-cost: Wearing 16th Century Shirts References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020104232451.009f3650@pop.telus.net> <3C37593A.BECE9F1D@earthlink.net> <010701c19639$1b72dfa0$5030c818@WorkGroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:24:43 -0600 Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > So you need to make the slit wider in order to insert the gusset than it > would have been if there hadn't been a gusset there, right? > No, not at all. Fold your gusset so that the two equal edges meet (fold starts at right angle and goes to middle of the long edge). Fold your body fabric so that the crossbar of the T slit is at the top. Slip your folded gusset, fold down, into the slit. Sew along the cut edges. Try it with a piece of paper and you'll see what I mean. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25353 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:56:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HSYF16559; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:28:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HSGs00839; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:28:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HQDs00257 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust37.tnt6.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.118.37] helo=hppav) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NH40-0005cL-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:26:29 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c196d7$dec25fa0$2576e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Modern Mystery Garment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:30:38 -0600 Status: RO My mother made something similiar to this out of cotton knit fabric for wheelchair bound folks. Hers was just a straight length of fabric that was cuffed on each end. Genie, back to lurk mode now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 11:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25365 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:58:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HUXF16769; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HUGs01294; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:30:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HRWs00649 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10481 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:43:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment In-Reply-To: <3C38834C.7F726166@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:43:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Lavolta Press wrote: > Defniitely the cleaner. Is it a Green Machine? 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25448 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:10:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HgZF17640; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HgHs04609; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HdWs03777 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:39:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106173947.BIRD27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:39:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3C388BA6.A7EB78E7@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Wish me luck... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:38:46 -0600 Status: RO Okay after a years of bugging me, I am going to cut about 3" off my daughter's hair. Her hair is the same color as mine and I will take what I cut from hers and use it for the ends of my braid cases. *g* Katie The blonde finds another short cut...pardon the pun. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:22:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25475 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:22:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06HsXF18168; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HsGs07836; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06Hphs07170 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:51:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.91] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:52:00 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C388BA6.A7EB78E7@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:52:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Best of luck to you! How old is your daughter? Mine is 34 years old now but I still remember some nightmarish haircutting episodes, mainly involving styles she wanted that I couldn't do!!..and we won't even discuss the Halloween she cut all her hair off... Please please talk to me about braid cases. What did you make them from? How do you fasten them to the end of your braid? My hair is only a couple of inches below my shoulders--would braid cases even work for me? Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Katie wrote: > Okay after a years of bugging me, I am going to cut > about 3" off my > daughter's hair. Her hair is the same color as mine > and I will take > what I cut from hers and use it for the ends of my > braid cases. > *g* > > > > Katie > The blonde finds another short cut...pardon the pun. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:30:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25503 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06I2YF18833; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I2Gs09892; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HxFs09132 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:59:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19409 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26731 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201061759.MAA26731@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? In-Reply-To: <3C353736.15C74BCA@tds.net> References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 07:30:36 -0500 Status: RO At 11:01 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" > >Sorry about that Actually, that could be pretty funny. "What threat do I need to go with this costume?" could be an interesting question if you were playing a heavy -- assasin, pirate, anything like that ;) "Hand over your doubloons or I'll slit yer throat!" "Surrender all your lupines!" -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25507 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:30:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06I2jF18851; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I2Ss09969; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:02:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06HxHs09143 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19416 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26736 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:59:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201061759.MAA26736@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA4@tko-exch.phoenix.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 08:08:46 -0500 Status: RO At 12:36 AM 01/04/2002 -0800, you wrote:
=A0* Uk, too much yardage in the= CB & on the side.=A0 Ironing may help this, but I doubt it. (I laughed when I looked at it. You can, too!)

I actually think the back looks great.=A0 When I made my Regency work dresses (one bib-front, one not) last summer, I wound up putting two knife pleats over each hip, and moving all of the gathers to the back of the gown, for a more columnar look.=A0 I found that gathers over the hip really made me look...=A0 hippy.=A0 Moreso than usual, that is.= =A0 I also gauged the gathers/pleats in back on the light blue gown, which worked very well to control the fabric.=A0 On the dark blue gown, I used deep knife pleats on the skirts to put a lot of fullness into the gown (as much as in the original I was working from, in Bradford), but not have it look bulky.

=A0* The bra-like front closure under the "bib" is very successful. (See photo #43, Waugh's book.) The forward & upward tug creates clevage without corsetting.

Cool.=A0 I found it didn't work for me and had to make a corset, but different body types require different solutions...

http://photos.yahoo.com\hatchikohysteria the Click the folder "Bib-front Gown 1803".

So, questions for you, ladies & gents:
=A0* What else needs work?
=A0* Would you gather the decorated panel (marked "embroidered panel" in N.Waugh diagr XXXV) or leave it flat?

What worked for me was to leave it flat, except for two small pleats/gathers under each breast.=A0 Gathering the full width of the panel made it bunch up, rather like what you've got here, but having an absolutely flat panel didn't work either, because it gapped strangely at the outside of the bust.=A0 I think there's another bib-fronted gown in either Waugh or Bradfield or Arnold that has this treatment... anyway, that worked for me.

=A0* Was the sari fabric = , while light in weight, too crisp?

The more I look at it, the less I think so, but maybe...  the suggestion about washing a sample was good, I think.

=A0* Should the "waist" line gathering be ironed flat?

Either that, or use pleats, and iron them...

=A0* The whole thing has = a "short and dumpy" effect.=A0 How to fix it?

Pleats, not gathers ;)=A0 The fabric is too stiff for gathers to work, I think (see below)

=A0* Other critique?

That was *supposed* to be my final muslin for an 1803 bib-front gown.=A0 Yeah, I'll probably take some of the excess out of the skirt, then finish it with a "good enough for Gaskell's" attitude.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo

It looks gorgeous.=A0 I think if you gauge the pleats and/or move most of them to the back, that'll give you more of a columnar effect, and control the gathers.=A0 I'm very envious :)

These pictures are dreadful, and the fabrics I used were cotton (for the light blue) and cotton/linen blend (for the dark blue), but for comparison, here they are:
http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/dkblue.jpg
http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/ltblue-front.jpg
http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/ltblue-back.jpg

The wind was blowing when the picture of the light blue dress was taken; it's not quite so awkward as that, usually.=A0 The dark blue fabric is the heavier of the two, and I used knife pleats for the skirt on that gown, as gathers _really_ didn't work -- way too bulky.=A0 If I have time today I'll have some more pics shot...

Please post more pics as the project evolves!

-- Mara
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25521 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06I8XF19341; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I8Gs11513; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:08:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06I6as11089 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:06:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106180651.BXJT27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:06:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3891FE.AA50C40B@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... References: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:05:50 -0600 Status: RO She is 14 and she just wants a straight cut to about her shoulders. Her hair is to the middle of her back. I have been fobidding her to cut her hair telling her that she has beautiful hair. It is thicker then mine and has more golden highlights. It is sickening, but I figured this way we both get what we want. I get the "real" hair ends for the braid cases without coughing up a bunch of money, and she gets a hair cut. I have an idea for the braid cases, but haven't started on them. On this page http://www.virtue.to/articles/braiding.html The author talks about using a ribbon as the third strand to braid with. I figured using that would aleaviate some of the weight everyone says braid cases put on your hair. Then I was just going to get a yard of fabric and do some embroidery and jewel work. Then hot glue my daughter's hair to the end of the braid case. Sew the braid case closed then stuff it and use the 4 strand method on the page above. If anyone thinks my theory will not work, please chime in. Katie Joan Garner wrote: > > Best of luck to you! How old is your daughter? Mine > is 34 years old now but I still remember some > nightmarish haircutting episodes, mainly involving > styles she wanted that I couldn't do!!..and we won't > even discuss the Halloween she cut all her hair off... > > Please please talk to me about braid cases. What did > you make them from? How do you fasten them to the end > of your braid? My hair is only a couple of inches > below my shoulders--would braid cases even work for > me? > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > --- Katie wrote: > > Okay after a years of bugging me, I am going to cut > > about 3" off my > > daughter's hair. Her hair is the same color as mine > > and I will take > > what I cut from hers and use it for the ends of my > > braid cases. > > *g* > > > > > > > > Katie > > The blonde finds another short cut...pardon the pun. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:42:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25571 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:42:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IEXF19793; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:14:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IEGs13214; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06ICMs12670 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16NHmf-000JER-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:12:37 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:09:16 +0000 Status: RO It's not my period, but I have seen people wearing really gorgeous winter coats for regency / Jane Austen. They have the very high waist and puff at the top of the sleeve, the rest of the sleeve being tight. They are very flattering, and can look quite imposing and statuesque on the less-than-waiflike figure. And you could wear it for modern afterwards! Jean In message <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no>, "Ingrid G. =?iso- 8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" writes >Hello, all! All the talk about the merveilleuse gown has made me >remember something: in March I'll be going to an event where I'll be >wearing late 18th century gowns. I've not yet made them and have not >decided on a pattern, although I suppose I'll draft something based on >Arnold. That's not the problem however; what I'm wondering is this: what >fabrics would Regency gowns be made of for winter use? I'm thinking >maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel >underdress. Or something? It can't be very fancy; I need to look like a >lower middle class type person - but I also need to be warm. :) The >event will last for five days; housing will be in really old houses and >a lot will probably happen out of doors, so staying warm is of the >essence. However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer >not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. (I will of course >be wearing stays, but there's limits to the kind of magic they can work. >;) ) > >Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need >apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or >do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I >should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never >done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions >anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) > >Ingrid >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25582 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:46:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IIXF20072; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IIGs14548; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IFPs13635 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106181541.CAPX27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:15:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3C389410.59CC61A7@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? References: <3C353553.3DE6F8AD@tds.net> <200201061759.MAA26731@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:14:40 -0600 Status: RO I was thinking about doing an alt "Viking" persona. I guess that would work for that persona....or a Mongol. *L* Katie Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > At 11:01 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" > > > >Sorry about that > > Actually, that could be pretty funny. "What threat do I need to go with > this costume?" could be an interesting question if you were playing a heavy > -- assasin, pirate, anything like that ;) > > "Hand over your doubloons or I'll slit yer throat!" > > "Surrender all your lupines!" > > > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 12:49:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25588 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:49:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IKXF20207; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IKGs15094; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06II3s14506 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Oo/h+coYuiBCibMauIcdLJs="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQG7DJV7; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:17:38 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: color marketing group Message-ID: <20020106.101605.-140121.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-8,10-56 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:17:08 +0000 Status: RO I'ld like to know who told fashion designers we can all wear orange. Or lime green. Or fuschia. Then there are the folks who decided on Spandex for everybody, but that a whole 'nother story! Arlys, who looks best in classic colors and simply can't take fashion designers seriously anymore On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:43:05 +0000 Jean Waddie writes: > I wish nobody bothered matching things, and then maybe we could get > colours we like. Who will end the rule of pink, purple and powder > blue? > I'm an autumn person, for goodness' sake! > > JEan > > > In message , Gail & Scott Finke > writes > > > > > >The Color Marketing Group is, in my opinion, a giant scam. They > "forecast" > >colors for the coming year, colors which they also happen to make > available > >to paying customers. Everyone has to use them, because if you > don't, then > >your stuff doesn't match everyone else's stuff. Your carpet lines > don't > >match the current upholstery fabrics, for instance, or your car > upholstery > >vinyl doesn't match the available car paint colors. And they're not > cheap! > > > >Yes, I have a rather violent opinion of them, and yes, it is an > informed > >opinion. I have worked in the graphic design field for more than a > decade, > >and I have interviewed "forecasters" and gone to seminars they put > on. IMHO, > >it's a terrible trick! > > > >Gail Finke > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 13:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25625 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:02:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IYYF21274; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:34:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IYGs18040; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:34:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06IWAs17596 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2184.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.184]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02338 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:32:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3897BB.135E9694@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] what do you think (1798 corset & Merveilleuse) References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAC@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:30:19 -0500 Status: RO --------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, All. Cyn, I think that the corsetless look was just what the fashion of that time was trying to create, what with the raised waistline. The rise of Neo-Classical forms was followed both on architecture as well as dress. When Ken Russell did his movie "Gothic", I think he was trying to portray the Shelleys and Byron as historical Hippies, looking for freedom from conformity (Perhaps a sort of early 19th cent. bra burning, although they didn't create the style, they just followed it). Some of the paintings of women of that time are similar to the amount of flesh shown in Botticelli paintings. Sorry, not trying to use a movie as documentation or anything, just noting Russell's attempt to get inside the heads of some historical figures of the time. BTW, I think his costume person did a great job with the movie, considering some of his other films (although that is not my period of interest) Ramblingly yours, Mike T. Cynthia Barnes wrote: > Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 > dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version. > Corset-less. I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 > N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around. Since I intended to do > Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently > would go ahead and show her nipples to the world. I have an 1801 > Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are > not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink. Looks like fruit on > a platter. Wish I could show you! It's in the storage locker in > Calif.That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front > neck up just a tad. Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & > in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono > shrine antiques flea market. > --cin > Cynthia in Tokyo > --------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, All. Cyn, I think that the corsetless look was just what the fashion of that time was trying to create, what with the raised waistline. The rise of Neo-Classical forms was followed both on architecture as well as dress. When Ken Russell did his movie "Gothic", I think he was trying to portray the Shelleys and Byron as historical Hippies, looking for freedom from conformity (Perhaps a sort of early 19th cent. bra burning, although they didn't create the style, they just followed it). Some of the paintings of women of that time are similar to the amount of flesh shown in Botticelli paintings. Sorry, not trying to use a movie as documentation or anything, just noting Russell's attempt to get inside the heads of some historical figures of the time. BTW, I think his costume person did a great job with the movie, considering some of his other films (although that is not my period of interest) Ramblingly yours, Mike T.

Cynthia Barnes wrote:

  Bjarne, it occurs to me, that since you're doing the same 1803 dress, perhaps the same corset solution will work for your version.  Corset-less.  I interpret the bandeau under the bib-front (picture #43 N.Waugh) as the only corset-like thing around.  Since I intended to do Merveilleuse, corset-less it is. Now a *real* Merveilleuse apparently would go ahead and show her nipples to the world.  I have an 1801 Italian fashion plate showing one low-cut gown. The models nipples are not drawn in, but they are colored in pale pink.  Looks like fruit on a platter. Wish I could show you!  It's in the storage locker in Calif.That's all a bit too shocking for me. I chose to put the front neck up just a tad.  Tho you are right. The CF on mine is too full & in the wrong place. Back to the drawing board... or the Hanazono shrine antiques flea market.
--cin
Cynthia in Tokyo 
--------------8E6D5A0FBDA19424EF7B6BE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 13:15:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25733 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:15:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06IlIF22041; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:47:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Il1s20907; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Ijds20619 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from gateway (ppp-208-171-197-19.01.promedia.net [208.171.197.19]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g06Ik4v18853 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:46:04 -0800 Message-ID: <006601c196e2$d1da3b40$0100a8c0@mshome.net> From: "Joan Broneske" To: References: <054f01c193ec$c3418320$4905fea9@jeanne> <008601c194a1$abc8e5c0$64c4abd0@mshome.net> <054801c195f2$316dfac0$4905fea9@jeanne> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:49:05 -0800 Status: RO I see!...well, that's puts a bit of a different spin on it, eh? Sorry to hear that you had to go through all of that. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Harney" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] A different perspective on LOTR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Broneske" > > > > I mean no offense or to be insensitive, but it looks like you have > more than > > issues with "gore and ick"! I can't stand horror or hacker/slasher > movies, > > they give me nightmares, but "Raiders of the Lost Ark" causing you to > have > > to go to the hospital and "LOTR" making you throw up? My Goodness! I > don't > > know how I would survive life, if I was that sensitive! > > > It isn't easy. However, at the tender age of 4, I was thrown from the > backseat of my parents' car, through the windshield, when we were hit > headon by a drunk driver at 70mph, and spent 35 days in ICU, having 5 > surgeries, and having my face rebuilt. I'm talking part of my jawbone, > part of my occipital ridge, ALL my nose cartilage (my nose was gone) etc > are now built of plastic. I was separated from my mother and lived for > 5 months with both arms splinted straight out in front of me because it > was the only way to control my ripping the stitches out and such. > I had great surgeons, and the results are virtually invisible, now that > I'm 42. > The psychologists I've seen have said that anything having to do with > blood brings back all the pain and separation anxieties from that time, > though I have no conscious memories of it. Personally, I don't mind > living in a G-rated world, and the "sensitization" process is something > WAY too long and painful to think of doing. I just avoid things that > would upset me. > > Jeanne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 14:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26171 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:59:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06KUkF00891; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KUMs15309; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KRds14669 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:27:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.36.2142cb8b (3734) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <36.2142cb8b.296a0d41@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10032 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:27:45 EST Status: RO --part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know more about early 19th century than late 18th, but I would say you could definitely wear a spencer--the late 18th c. style seems to have a really contoured sleeve. also, the Lady of Distinction recommended a flannel (that is, wool) petticoat for English winters. The dress itself should probably be cotton or linen. Someone else might have a better idea of how common wool fabrics were in this period. And of course you can wrap yourself in a shawl. Ann Wass --part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know more about early 19th century than late 18th, but I would say you could definitely wear a spencer--the late 18th c. style seems to have a really contoured sleeve.  also, the Lady of Distinction recommended a flannel (that is, wool) petticoat for English winters.  The dress itself should probably be cotton or linen.  Someone else might have a better idea of how common wool fabrics were in this period.
And of course you can wrap yourself in a shawl.
Ann Wass --part1_36.2142cb8b.296a0d41_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 15:12:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26247 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:12:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06KicF01976; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:44:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KiLs19093; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g06KgYs18688 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25337 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2002 20:37:41 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080084.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.84) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2002 20:37:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020106144358.009f3500@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... In-Reply-To: <3C3891FE.AA50C40B@tds.net> References: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:46:50 -0600 Status: RO At 12:05 PM 1/6/02 -0600, you wrote: >She is 14 and she just wants a straight cut to about her shoulders. >Her hair is to the middle of her back. I have been fobidding her >to cut her hair telling her that she has beautiful hair. It is >thicker then mine and has more golden highlights. It is sickening, >but I figured this way we both get what we want. I get the "real" >hair ends for the braid cases without coughing up a bunch of money, >and she gets a hair cut. Katie, Don't stress too much, please. I had my mom do EXACTLY the same thing at that age! There was a heat wave that year. My mom ended up liking it so much that when I eventually decided to grow my hair long again, she tried to talk me out of it! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 15:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26333 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:30:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06L2dF03305; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06L2Ls23506; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06L0Ws23129 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.111]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020106210048.VEIZ14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:00:48 -0600 Message-ID: <3C38BAC3.8090704@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... References: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020106144358.009f3500@sound.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 14:59:47 -0600 Status: RO Well just like every other "mom/teenager" senario, she will just have to learn on her own that when we "round faced" people have short hair it looks like we have a perminate case of the mumps or we are forever mimicing a squirrel with cheeks full of nuts. *LOL* Katie *just installed Netscape 6.2.1 and can't find the spell check for mail...panic panic!!* Sheryl Nance-Durst wrote: > > Katie, > Don't stress too much, please. > I had my mom do EXACTLY the same thing at that age! > There was a heat wave that year. > My mom ended up liking it so much that when I eventually > decided to grow my hair long again, she tried to talk me out > of it! > > Sheryl Nance-Durst > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 15:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26449 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:58:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06LUeF05163; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:30:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06LUMs29909; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06LSPs29466 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:28:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.69.201d380e (2616) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:28:36 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <69.201d380e.296a1b83@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Yet another take on LOTR... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:28:35 EST Status: RO When did Tolkein become anything to do with history? I've not seen the movie yet and don't want to read a spoiler on it therefore am deleting the whole thread. I've also realized that I've deleted MOST of what comes into my mailbox from this list over the past few weeks. Is is possible to kill the fantasy thread and come up with something that has to do with Historical clothing??? I know it's fun and fascinating to talk about but there are more appropriate forums. Warning historical costume content-Eleanora di Toledo's pair of bodyes is of tan silk moire, the strips we have always thought were garters are, in actuality, the grave bindings. Have a Lovely Day, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26489 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:12:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06LidF06004; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06LiLs03379; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Lfqs02787 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16NL3Q-000IB7-0K; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:42:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th Century English Costume In-Reply-To: <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:39:38 +0000 Status: RO I've found plenty pictures of women wearing veils without fillets. I'm not sure whether all fillets are actually coronets, or similar denotations of rank, or just fashion, but they're definitely not required to keep the veil on. I don't think I've seen any period examples where the fillet looks like trim - they're usually either a plain band which might be metal or might be ribbon, or if they're decorated they look like metalwork. This would make sure it stays on, just by its own weight. But it depends how accurate you want to be, lots of people nowadays do it with trim. You just need to find a way of fixing it tight enough round your head that it stays on - tied or pinned or velcro or whatever. One word of warning - if it's windy, and your veil flies, it will lift the fillet unless it's really secure. JEan In message <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >Headgear question for above (noblewoman's attire): > >Must there be a fillet-thing, or can I get by with >just the barbette & veil? If there is a fillet, can >it just be a stiffened circle of the same 1-1/2" trim >used on the over-tunic? What exactly holds the fillet >onto your head -- is it just sitting there or fastened >down somehow? > >Joan Hall >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26493 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:14:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06Lj1F06031; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Lihs03462; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Lfqs02786 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16NL3Q-000IB7-0K; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:42:09 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th Century English Costume In-Reply-To: <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:39:38 +0000 Status: RO I've found plenty pictures of women wearing veils without fillets. I'm not sure whether all fillets are actually coronets, or similar denotations of rank, or just fashion, but they're definitely not required to keep the veil on. I don't think I've seen any period examples where the fillet looks like trim - they're usually either a plain band which might be metal or might be ribbon, or if they're decorated they look like metalwork. This would make sure it stays on, just by its own weight. But it depends how accurate you want to be, lots of people nowadays do it with trim. You just need to find a way of fixing it tight enough round your head that it stays on - tied or pinned or velcro or whatever. One word of warning - if it's windy, and your veil flies, it will lift the fillet unless it's really secure. JEan In message <20020106151344.56167.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >Headgear question for above (noblewoman's attire): > >Must there be a fillet-thing, or can I get by with >just the barbette & veil? If there is a fillet, can >it just be a stiffened circle of the same 1-1/2" trim >used on the over-tunic? What exactly holds the fillet >onto your head -- is it just sitting there or fastened >down somehow? > >Joan Hall >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 16:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26562 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:44:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06MGLF09493; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06MFms12095; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06M7Ns09927 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g06M2wg17650 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005801c196ff$3c3c5ba0$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <69.201d380e.296a1b83@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yet another take on LOTR... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > When did Tolkein become anything to do with history? Tolkien has a lot to do with history. He was a professor of Anglo-Saxon literature and a linguist, and his works reflect his studies. They're not history--but they're a very interesting example of how a knowledge of period literature can influence a modern story. >Is is possible to kill the > fantasy thread and come up with something that has to do with Historical > clothing??? So start one already! :-) I'm sure you'll have lots of takers. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26703 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06MwLF12918; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:58:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Mw2s22002; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06MvIs21675 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:57:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-97.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.97]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACU16394; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:57:23 GMT Message-ID: <009701c19706$047a33c0$2e284ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:01:03 -0000 Status: RO Some of the provancel quilted skirt stuff might be nice. But it isn't high waisted really. Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26726 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06N7JF13495; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06N71s24112; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06N6Os23962 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:06:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([24.39.161.102]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020106230641.PPXF20896.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:06:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C38D884.433F44B3@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200201060405.g0645as26713@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: shrugs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:06:44 -0500 Status: RO As to what to wear them with or why? Basically, any time you could wear a shawl, you could wear an equivalent "shrug". I've even seen a few designer type varients... can't remember how long ago... where it (obviously) wasn't called a shrug, but went over the shoulders, down to cuffed wrists, and draped "elegantly" down to near knee length. Last time I saw one, it was black... I *think* paired with either a grey or silver slim skirted dress... that was also draped side to side ... sort of bunting style? (don't know how you describe it... think that short piece in the front of some of the styles that were worn on bustled skirts way back when... ... now that I think of it, the skirt may have resembled that, slim with the drape in front, but only to mid/upper thigh or so) Problem with odd pictoral memories that pop up... you can almost but not *quite* see what you're remembering... -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26741 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:40:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NCJF13857; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:12:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NC1s25246; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NBKs25095 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.8b.11cb8bfe (25715) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Yet another take on LOTR...large can of worms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:11:28 EST Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/02 4:17:27 PM, nicolaa@columbus.rr.com writes: << Tolkien has a lot to do with history. He was a professor of Anglo-Saxon literature and a linguist, and his works reflect his studies. They're not history--but they're a very interesting example of how a knowledge of period literature can influence a modern story. >> Okay let's rephrase this-what has a fantasy movie set in no where land/no when time got to do with historical costuming? I was referring to the Rings movie rather than the man himself. >>So start one already! :-)<< As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-Here are a few others. Where does one currently obtain cloth of gold or cloth of silver? If I was still in NYC I'd know where to go but not here. Ditto non mylar metallic gold and/or silver trims, When are Janet Arnold's new books coming out, what's the strangest thing you've heard of concerning garb that is so blatantly obvoiusly false (ie "they didn't use ____") and how did you find the correct information out, what's the earliest use of an indoor water closet anyone can come up with, if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) {outside of competitions of course}, where's a site on Elizabethan stumpwork [for use on clothing not on boxes or books I found those], can anyone explain blackwork paths to me in a way I can understand? I end up with a mess every time I try and can't find a teacher near enough to physically show me what to do, I need 3 pair of slouch boots or chukka boots in various colours for a 3 y/o (I found the ones for my 8 y/o son but nothing small enough for my daughter) any clue as to where to get them?, how do I get my husband to wear a fitted doublet? he says he wants a doublet then doesn't want it "binding" him, why is it that most of the ostrich plume fans look like feather dusters with a staple in the cone part?, even plain brown sandals are better than Reboks on a kid in garb (pet peeve), I'll post more as I think of them. I'm in process of making a garnet/black shot silk taffeta version of the brown velvet Isabella queen of Portugal gown on Drea's site. The chemise is of silk organza with pouffed sleeves with 4mm 14kt gold beads in the poufs on the "yoke", the gown lining is black silk taffeta and the trim is 2 inch wide gold silk organza ribbon with cultured pearls, the smock is of white silk organdy. Another project is the red Anne of Cleves gown made of a turquoise/semi-metallic gold shot brocade (for lack of a better term-the fabric has the same iridescence as shot silk) with semi-metallic gold companion fabric with semi-metallic gold twist trim, lots of beads and pearls. Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 17:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26769 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:53:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NPKF14744; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:25:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NP1s28247; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NOxs28229 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.12]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020106232515.BFDE25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:25:15 +0100 Message-ID: <3C38DCF4.8060200@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] merverilleuse muck up Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:25:40 +0100 Status: RO Cynthia. I finished the muslin model of my dress this evening. But, you know me i cant deside to the model. It is very hard for me not to make some of my own design to a garment. So my merveilleuse dress ended up like this: The skirt is the same, only i have a seam in the middle of the back because i made my model to be laced in the back. I didnt make the bodice like the real thing. I made a small back panel and one big forepart bodice. Then i have gathered the bodice at the skirt line under each bust. The sleve is very flattering so i have only made small changes. I dont have a cuff. In stead i have gathered the chiffon to a rose in the middle of the sleave where the gathers spread out in pleats like a sun. This is the only embellishment i have made. It is a very beautifull dress. I really like the simplissity, so nice. Also because the dress is white. Now here comes a question. Should i make a handle in the train so that my lady can danse in it? How would you suggest i made that? Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26824 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NkcF16361; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NkJs03450; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NjNs03210 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:45:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12259 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:00 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Not LOTR (was: Yet another take on LOTR) In-Reply-To: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:00 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-Here are a few > others. > Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. Lady G., as you have already pointed out, some people with no interest in LOTR are deleting those threads. So your Eleanora topic and the others you posted may not reach the people you're trying to reach, since you posted them under an LOTR subject line. Also, it would be a service to the list in both the short- and long-term if you would open new threads with individual posts, under separate, descriptive subject lines. In the short term, you will get much better response -- I am sure I am not the only person who deletes posts based on subject line when my reading time is short, and I will miss queries that are batched under a subject line that relates to a period I don't do. In the long term, you will gain the gratitude of people who use Eric P.'s archive, now that it's searchable *only* by subject line and author, not through a free-text search (a loss I lament). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26828 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NkVF16328; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NkCs03402; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:46:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net (sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.182]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Nj7s03026 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from iljohn01-30.midwest.net ([64.91.192.35] helo=hppav) by sire with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16NMyh-0005IK-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:45:24 -0800 Message-ID: <002d01c1970c$94139e80$23c05b40@hppav> From: "Mary-Gayle Jany" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] QEII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:47:56 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen Elizabeth II that are currently = displayed in Bath "up close and personal"? If so, please give us a = personal view. Which, if any, struck you as one that historical = costumers four hundred years from now might want to examine? Which ones = seem most representative of the "common" person's current lifestyle? = Were there any that surprised you in some way? Were any of such unusual = coloring or with unique embroidery/ beadwork/jewel encased, etc. that = they will have interest to needleworkers or seamstresses in the future? = Which one would you most like to acquire? etc. Tell all, please. Meg ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen = Elizabeth II that are currently displayed in Bath "up close and personal"?  If = so, please give us a personal view.  Which, if any, struck you as = one that historical costumers four hundred years from now might want to = examine?  Which ones seem most representative of the "common" person's current lifestyle?  Were there any that surprised you in some way?  = Were any of such unusual coloring or with unique embroidery/ beadwork/jewel = encased, etc. that they will have interest to needleworkers or seamstresses in the future?  Which one would you most like to acquire?  etc.  = Tell all, please.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C196DA.45D7EBE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26861 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:24:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g06NuKF17013; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:56:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06Nu1s05697; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NtXs05603 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:55:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.d2.11d5847e (4321) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:55:42 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] QEII To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:55:42 EST Status: RO In a message dated 6/1/02 5:47:08 PM, talk2meg@midwest.net writes: << Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen Elizabeth II that are currently displayed in Bath "up close and personal"? >> Come on Teddy-spill. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26915 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:31:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0702QF17678; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07027s07122; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0701ls07042 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-164-152.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.164.152] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16NNEk-0002wM-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:01:58 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00615; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:01:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201060405.g0645hs26726@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 5, 2002 09:05:43 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Back from Kopenhagen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:01:56 +0100 (CET) Status: RO Hi all, For 10 hours now, I am back from my Denmark-Kopenhagen trip and now finally found the time to get to the net again. I thought I'd never catch up with all those h-cost postings. Bjarne has posted on it, but I couldn't read it until now! So I REALLY for the first time met another member of this list -- and it was Bjarne!! And it was so wonderful! At first I hadn't thought that I would make it to Denmark at all because child and partner both had chickenpox over Christmas. The trip got substantially more expensive than anticipated, but it was worth it! We met at the station, Bjarne lead us to a very nice cafe in Kopenhagen where we had coffee and talked about embroidery, costumes, and lace, while my good little girl slept in her stroller much of the time. Bjarne had brought me three photo albums of his work, so I could look at the costumes he had made for a hairdressers' show! They were incredible. Really, there is this society in Copenhagen that really does the most exaggerated, most extreme 18th century hairdos -- and they look perfect, like on old paintings! And they are lucky, so lucky, to have Bjarne who made the proper 18th century costumes. I don't know what was more impressive -- this huge number of costumes he made for that one event? The colors? The patterns? The hairdos? Some of the costumes are at http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/embroideryandlace.htm, like http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/pompadour.jpg All I had, by comparison, was a picture of the one 1880th costume I made, the "cotehardie-inspired" dress for a friend this summer, and a couple of pictures of my own FOs (finished objects). Because I knew that Bjarne does gold embroidery, I finally did something I have wanted to do since 1998 and put my pictures of the gold embroiderers in Bokhara (Buchara) in Uzbekistan (on the silk road) together to form a small documentary on Bokharan gold embroidery. The interesting thing is that the gold embroidery tradition, basically the techniques, seems to have been big in Paris and even Berlin, too, in the 18th century -- I once heard a lecture on this -- but while here it was lost, it travelled eastward, served the Emir's court in the 19th century and is nowadays revived as a popular art. People really wear gold embroidery (with metallic thread, but not real gold thread any more, of course) today for festive occasions; the tradition is alive. And there techniques are still practiced and passed on that nobody in Europe seems to care about any more. Except people like Bjarne! Bullion thread is called ``Kantille'', in German, too. Yes, he really brought me the gold embroidery he is working on right now -- the front opening of a 1770th man's jacket, together with matching buttons. Bjarne has put part of that embroidery on the net, under ttp://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/weeklycostume.htm. I saw some of the embroidery at http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/goldwork.jpg , he also brought some of the buttons at http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/lommeknap.JPG . But it is SOO different to really touch this in reality! For some reason, Bjarne has chosen to state that all he does is chain stitch. I personally disagree, I have seen (at least) buttonhole stitch, couching, French knots, and satin stitch, in addition to chain stitch. Now, when next time I am in Kopenhagen and have time and am free to do whatever I want, I will see, at least, in addition to the National Museum which I like a lot and which holds some of the most famous treasures of Northern European early history (http://www.natmus.dk), the costume section of the National Museum, which is somewhere out of town, the National Gallery, the Design Museum, the Industry Design Museum, the Rosenborg Castle, and the architecture museum. Since in 2 days and with boyfriend and child, time is so limited, I only made it to the Rosenborg Castle and the National Museum, where I had a walk through the "Stories of Denmark" exhibit. Nicely, the two exhibitions I got to see this way quite complemented each other. The Rosenborg castle, in addition to holding the royal treasure, was early designed to be a cultural history museum to display the lifestyle of the kings through the ages - each room on the first floor was furnished and decorated by one king and in the fashion of his time. Lots of tapestries that I tried very much to imagine what they looked like before all the yellow and red color faded out. The "Stories of Denmark" exhibition in the Nationalmuseet tells the same story, but not only of kings, but of all people. It has weapons, household items, clothes and other textiles and really everything that gives a feel for the life of the times in Denmark, from 1660 to 2000. I even saw a very nice Icelandic folk dress, a couple of waistcoats the style Bjarne is making (yes, very very similar), and a few rolls of To/nder lace. At last, Bjarne showed me and Sarah to a lacemaking supplies shop where I got some more bobbins! Before, I didn't have enough for the lace class, now, I have way in excess of the required number. Thanks Bjarne for a wonderful afternoon! Now to bed -- tomorrow I have to work again... Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:39:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26958 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:39:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070ALF18247; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:10:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070A1s09130; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07098s08890 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:09:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_purify_v31_r1.13.) id 6.87.15902351 (4321) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:09:15 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:09:15 EST Status: RO This is a reposting of my last posting- Thanks, Robin good suggestion! >>So start one already! :-)<< As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-{Eleanora di Toledo's pair of bodyes is of tan silk moire, the strips we have always thought were garters are, in actuality, the grave bindings} Here are a few others. Where does one currently obtain cloth of gold or cloth of silver? If I was still in NYC I'd know where to go but not here. Ditto non mylar metallic gold and/or silver trims, When are Janet Arnold's new books coming out, what's the strangest thing you've heard of concerning garb that is so blatantly obvoiusly false (ie "they didn't use ____") and how did you find the correct information out, what's the earliest common use of an indoor water closet anyone can come up with, if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) {outside of competitions of course}, where's a site on Elizabethan stumpwork [for use on clothing not on boxes or books I found those], can anyone explain blackwork paths to me in a way I can understand? I end up with a mess every time I try and can't find a teacher near enough to physically show me what to do, I need 3 pair of slouch boots or chukka boots in various colours for a 3 y/o (I found the ones for my 8 y/o son but nothing small enough for my daughter) any clue as to where to get them?, how do I get my husband to wear a fitted doublet? he says he wants a doublet then doesn't want it "binding" him, why is it that most of the ostrich plume fans look like feather dusters with a staple in the cone part?, even plain brown sandals are better than Reboks on a kid in garb (pet peeve), I'll post more as I think of them. I'm in process of making a garnet/black shot silk taffeta version of the brown velvet Isabella queen of Portugal gown on Drea's site. The chemise is of silk organza with pouffed sleeves with 4mm 14kt gold beads in the poufs on the "yoke", the gown lining is black silk taffeta and the trim is 2 inch wide gold silk organza ribbon with cultured pearls, the smock is of white silk organdy. Another project is the red Anne of Cleves gown made of a turquoise/semi-metallic gold shot brocade (for lack of a better term-the fabric has the same iridescence as shot silk) with semi-metallic gold companion fabric with semi-metallic gold twist trim, lots of beads and pearls. Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:40:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26969 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:40:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070CKF18536; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070C1s09773; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070B7s09460 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [24.178.47.30] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AA84A1B601EC; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:23:32 -0600 Message-ID: <006601c1970f$bc2c2d80$1e2fb218@roalok1.mi.home.com> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <3C3865B6.1060703@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] large dress for a man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server [No Reverse DNS] with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:36 -0500 Status: RO oh, I used to do drag gowns for men all the time - its great fun. Make sure you figure out whether or not he plans to do cleavage (breasts) If he wants to order a set, here in the US Fredericks of Hollywood sells great silicone-filled sets of two. They look and feel very real, and are kept on with spirit gum. Write if you have any questions... -kel ----- Original Message ----- From: Leif Drews To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] large dress for a man > Hey would you know. I have had a request from a 46 year old man, if i > would make him a large, large dress! :-) I think it could be fun. > > Bjarne > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 18:48:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26999 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:48:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070KKF19032; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070K1s11722; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070JCs11516 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-165-031.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.165.31] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16NNVc-00036W-00; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:19:24 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00641; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:19:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201070019.BAA00641@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200112312252.fBVMqBZ08615@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Dec 31, 2001 03:52:11 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: LOTR again, quite OT, sorry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:19:22 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: "Maggie Secara" > For those who would like a laugh: > > "Galadriel" means "Blondie", more or less. > > Well, no. The element "galad" means "tree" and her name essentialy means "tree > lady", if I recall correctly. Sorry to be so late answering this, only just back from Kopenhagen where I met Bjarne. If I recall "The languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" correctly, ``galad'' means light (Gil-galad: star-light) ``galadh'' is tree (galadhremmin ennorath, tree-woven middle-earth) (but galad and galadh are sometimes interchangeable, ``el'' is the female ending in Sindarin and ``riel'' means ``crowned girl'', the ``ri-'' supposedly coming from a root ``rig'', ``to wind a wreath/crown'', and put everything together, you have the name for a blonde baby girl: light-crowned girl, Galadriel, Blondie. Later in Middle Earth, she became the tree lady, and the name was reinterpreted. I hate to be discussing this on h-costume and would feel better if there was another forum for this for those who are interested, but I don't subscribe to f-costume and think I won't just for the purpose of discussing LOTR. LOL means Laughing Out Loud and ROTFL means Rolling On The Floor Laughing, what is LOTR supposed to mean? Laughing On The Run? Apart from costumes and violence (there was too much in in in my opinion, too) (and I hate fighting scenes extra prolonged in films, and lots of scenes were just expanded for suspense and show: The entry to Moria -- the fight in the chamber -- the running down the stairs -- and others) -- I found the views of Orthanc great, the way the camera swooped over it, the clouds behind, Saruman's figure standing on top and conjuring a spell. The friend I went to the movie with said afterwards that what he doesn't like about such movies is how flat and badly-made reality looks when you come out. When he said that, we were just below a twenty-storey glass tower at the Potsdamer Platz in Berlin, and when we looked up, could see the December clouds go over it in the dark sky at quite a speed, and I thought that reality wasn't so badly designed in comparison to the movie after all. See some of you tomorrow in lace class, Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27042 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070WKF19914; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070W1s14824; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070VQs14695 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:31:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:31:38 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B018F0F@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:31:36 -0800 Status: RO You say both "18th c" and "Regency", so I'm a little confused, Ingrid. I'd be surprised if spensers were an 18th c item, but I really don't know. Since you specifically asked about spensers, here's info on that. Spensers are definitely a wintertime Regency thing. There's red ones & hunter green for fun colors, plus the usual blacks & browns. I have a French fashion plate here dated 1806. Model is viewed from the side back. Cant describe much about the front except that the fur collar trim extends past the "waist" level. Deep red jacket, white fur(?) on short puff sleeves. Light tan gloves, 24 button length, so tops are covered by the spenser sleeve cuff & fur. The gown is white or ivory, minimal decoration at hemline. Smallish ivory or white turban. Title is "Robe pour la Promenade". Unusually, the ensemble is not described further. Other spensers are trimmed a la military jackets mostly. Do you have Boucher's "20K Years of Fashion"? There's a red one in there, too, with buttons forming a V down the front. "Revolution in Fashion" has my favorite hunter green wool spenser. For warmth: wool shawl, lined gloves and a bonnet. For further warmth, interline the spenser with domette. Try wool challis, if you cant find domette. I cant help you with day dresses. Not my thing. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need > apart from the dresses themselves? Are spensers more a summer > thing, or do they work in winter as well? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27113 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:20:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g070qKF21340; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070q1s19629; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g070pas19522 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0F33780240; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:50:59 -0600 Message-ID: <00d401c19715$37c2b860$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Kopenhagen X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:49:51 -0500 Status: RO Barbara, How exciting!!!! It is wonderful to meet h-costume people. Get lots of sleep... Bjarne's class starts tomorrow. BTW, did you bring the teacher an apple? LOL!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27181 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g071AKF22499; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071A0s23687; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0719Qs23560 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:09:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g071AAu28171 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:10:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020106191242.02b1e7a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <00d401c19715$37c2b860$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Off to England Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:13:58 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Well, I'm off to England (mostly London) this week and would love to meet up with some of you H-Costume folk who live across the pond. Please email me or call me at Teddy's where I'll be staying so we can arrange something. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 19:55:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27231 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:55:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g071RKF24196; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071R1s27888; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from goliath.cnchost.com (goliath.cnchost.com [207.155.252.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071QPs27745 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:26:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer (lax9-tgn-luk-vty24.as.wcom.net [216.193.8.24]) by goliath.cnchost.com id UAA20516; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200201061740.g06HeJs04018@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Moving LOTR costume discussion to f-Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:23:42 -0800 Status: RO Here's the URL to sign up for f-costume... We'll do Lord of the Rings discussion there. http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/f-costume It will give you a choice of Digest or daily. Let's give it about a day's break to get anyone interested over there...... -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27286 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:05:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g071bKF25152; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:37:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071b1s00686; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071a9s00286 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB6887C0196; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:35:36 -0600 Message-ID: <010001c1971b$683fb000$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> <5.0.0.25.2.20020106191242.02b1e7a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:34:10 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, Do you have room in your suitcase for me??? I know you will have a wonderful trip. Is Teddy putting you up in his sewing room with all the boxes???? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:29:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27366 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0720KF26771; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07201s05970; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g071xws05940 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:59:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17457 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07230 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:00:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201070200.VAA07230@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need ID of Modern Mystery Garment In-Reply-To: <3C378D47.10309@post12.tele.dk> References: <8d.11f080f9.2968d617@aol.com> <3C378735.86755BC0@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:56:06 -0500 Status: RO >>Thanks! It's the tube scarf/shrug on this page: >> >>http://store.yahoo.com/sowear/sweaters.html >> >>But to achieve _that_ look, in terms of coordinates, I'd have to >>polish my behind. >> >>What are you supposed to wear a shrug with? >> >>Fran Oh, how funny! I'll have to find the directions for my spinners/weavers newsletter this month, with a note. I've seen directions to knit this kind of thing before; they're usually knit a bit bigger, though, and hang down to the waist in back, so they're worn rather like a sweater around the house, when you want something a bit warmish but not too much so. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:31:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27391 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:31:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0723LF27039; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07231s06732; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0722rs06689 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:02:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17943 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07566 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merveilleuse mockup In-Reply-To: <3C36D969.9010100@post12.tele.dk> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 20:59:03 -0500 Status: RO At 11:46 AM 01/05/2002 +0100, Bjarne wrote: >And apropos this corset from 1795 even if Norah Waugh says it was worn >well into the next century, i believe that it was those who didnt follow >the new fashion. The bustcurve is absolutely just like 18th century, and >it is not good to make a regency dress. I think I made up the corset you're talking about -- it looks like an 18th c. corset, except that it has a laced opening at the top of the center front. If you leave the laces loose on this "gusset", the opening serves to allow the bust to 'lean out' a bit -- so it's not exactly like earlier 18th c. corsets, which don't allow a bust curve at all. It worked pretty well for me -- boosted the bustline without suppressing it altogether. Yes, the line of the corset is low -- about nipple-height sounds about right. The bust is held in above the corset (somewhat) by one's shift. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27394 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0722KF26914; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07220s06452; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0721Us06324 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:01:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:01:43 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DAE@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] merveilleuse mock up MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:01:36 -0800 Status: RO > RE: [h-cost] merverilleuse muck up I had to laugh when I read your original subj line. "Muck up!" I really doubt you've made a muck up (a mess). Looking forward to pictures, of course! > I finished the muslin model of my dress this evening. > But, you know me i cant deside to the model. It is very hard > for me not to make some of my own design to a garment. Bravo! Mine will go in a box. We've just discovered (yesterday) that we'll be leaving Japan in about 6 weeks. Eek, so much to do in so little time! (Mara, thankyou for your comments. I'm printing out the whole thread and putting it in the box. I suspect you & Drea are both right about the hip gathers becoming pleats. I re-made the hip gathers w/ 2/3 the original fabric. Still looks like I have a deformity. Since I dont have Bradfield or that particular JArnold here, I wont be tempted away from packing up the aparto. >"Ken Russell... sort of early 19th cent. bra burning... movie not documentation MikeT, I've vaguely wondered how pervasive the whole Merveilleuse thing was. Did it happen throughout Paris everyday for several summers? Was it something that happened once, when 2 or 3 gals loosened their drawstrings and held a salon to read naughty poems like Shelley's "The Flower" whereafter the gossip (like my Italian plate reporting Parisian fashion) spread like wildfire? Was it all just a "thought experiment" and in truth never happened? I dont know. Would love to see a first hand account or six. Will probably never research it, but hoping someone else will & report in excrutiating detail. > Now here comes a question. Should i make a handle in the > train so that my lady can danse in it? > How would you suggest i made that? I'd drape it over the arm. It's in so many fashion plates. Do you have the book of plates from Ackerman's? N.Waugh mentions that the draped skirts hug the limbs of the wearer. Look at some of the contemporary quotes, too. When waltzing, drape over the lowered right arm. My vague recollection is that most of the ballgowns in this decade are without trains. The trains seem to be for diplomatic receptions, dinners & other formal events. Check as I'm not sure. I, for some reason, think that Fran owns a skirt lifter. Metal? Sort of a rectangular thing with a clip or ratchet arrangement. The metal piece hung from the wrist with a length of ribbon. It maybe from a different period (like 1870s or '80s?). It's the only one I've ever seen. --cin in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:33:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27398 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:33:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0725JF27244; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:05:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07250s07179; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0724Is07016 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.4f.1693d1b4 (3984) for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:19 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1693d1b4.296a5be7@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0724Is07016 Subject: [h-cost] LOTR forum Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:03:19 EST Status: RO Try the link or the (unbelievably LOOOOOOONG) url. Cut and paste works. THETOLKIENFORUM.com @ THELORDOFTHERINGS.com - "… www.thetolkienforum.com/forumdisplay.php?s=c4cbfbaf46f8ce2ece27e5d3b2c5f662&fo rumid=19 the bit after the "?" denotes which forum you want to go to, they only have about a hundred different ones on this site, so that's an important bit. Thank you one and all, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27412 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:38:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g072AKF27572; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072A1s08399; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072A0s08385 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0047.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.82.47]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g072AHR117298 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:10:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c19721$16588720$2f52fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: wheelchair costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:13:10 -0500 Status: RO > I have two books on this subject, actually. (I once considered starting a > clothing company specializing in garments for physical limitations and > calling it User Friendly Clothing Company) One is published by Simplicity > and called "Design Without Limits" The other is titled "Dressing With Pride" > by Evelyn S. Kennedy and was published by PRIDE (Promote Real Independence > for the Disabled and Elderly) in 1981. If you want more info about the > books, let me know. > Actually, that'd be GREAT!!! Do you have any idea if either is still in print? I could always hit my mom up for one of them for a birthday present for next month.;-D Moira _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 20:42:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27447 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:42:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g072DQF27741; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:13:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072D2s09096; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072Cds09011 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19178 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p52.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.180]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA08284 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:12:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:08:23 -0500 Status: RO At 03:44 AM 01/06/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I'm thinking >maybe thin, soft wools, or maybe printed cotton with a flannel >underdress. Exactly -- thin, soft wools would be perfect. Or cotton, with a wool redingote or pelisse worn over... And a wool shawl, of course... >Also, does anyone have any tips about what items of clothing I'll need >apart from the dresses themselves? Are spencers more a summer thing, or >do they work in winter as well? Are there any types of winter coats I >should consider especially? I'd be grateful for any help; I have never >done this period before, and haven't found answers to these questions >anywhere I've looked (mailnly online). :) > >Ingrid A redingote of this period would be a long, wool coat, often in green or blue, with a high waistline and a cape. I've seen pics online, but can't recall quite where. I just did a Google search, and turned this up: http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/dress/redgt.html They're a bit late, but give the general idea... And this: http://hal.ucr.edu/~cathy/dress/pelisse.html -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27557 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g072kPF00694; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072k2s17177; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g072jWs17075 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0083.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.82.83]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g072jnR110206 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:45:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C196FC.21EBA1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:50:18 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C196FC.21EBA1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've thought about it, but hadn't been able to think of something I = could use reliably at events and remove the rest of the week, when I = need to get around tight spaces with my 4 children, two of whom are = preschoolers. Believe it or not, my biggest problem has been the top or = lap level of the skirting. (believe me, a good italian renn skirt gets = really ugly when pinned in such a way that I could get around.) I = usually take the feet off of my manual chair, as I have arthritis in my = upper body as badly as the rest of me. For the powerchair, I've = considered something I could sit on, making it easily removable for the = rest of the week, but I need to get better batteries before I can put = that idea to work.;-p Moira Have you tried having someone make something like the old chain = covers for bikes? It should be possible to affix something that would = keep your skirts out of the wheels. Wish I were closer, I love this = kind of challenge. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? 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I've thought about it, but hadn't = been able to think of something I could use reliably at events and remove the rest = of the week, when I need to get around tight spaces with my 4 children, two = of whom are preschoolers.  Believe it or not, my biggest problem has been = the top or lap level of the skirting.  (believe me, a good italian renn = skirt gets really ugly when pinned in such a way that I could get = around.)  I usually take the feet off of my manual chair, as I have arthritis in = my upper body as badly as the rest of me.  For the powerchair, I've = considered something I could sit on, making it easily removable for the rest of = the week, but I need to get better batteries before I can put that idea to work.;-p
Moira

 
     Have you tried having someone = make something like the old chain covers for bikes?  It should be = possible to affix something that would keep your skirts out of the wheels. =  Wish I were closer, I love this kind of challenge.

Lalah
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------=_NextPart_000_00C1_01C196FC.21EBA1A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 21:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27702 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:41:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g073DMF02539; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:13:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073D0s24748; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073Cis24655 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:12:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g073DXu16647 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:13:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020106210856.00a707d0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England In-Reply-To: <010001c1971b$683fb000$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> <5.0.0.25.2.20020106191242.02b1e7a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:11:05 -0600 Status: RO Sorry Penny, I'm sure my suitcases are going to be full both ways. I have to bring clothes for a month as well as costumes for Teddy's coronation. I'm not sure how I'm going to get it all in the suitcase actually. I think that is where he's sticking me. If he really thinks it safe for me to be let loose in his sewing room.... tee hee. Cheers, Danielle At 08:34 PM 1/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Danielle, > >Do you have room in your suitcase for me??? I know you will have a >wonderful trip. Is Teddy putting you up in his sewing room with all the >boxes???? > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 22:14:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27857 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:14:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g073kKF05996; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:46:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073k0s05874; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073jQs05653 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p235-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.235]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA22558 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:45:42 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p235-nas4.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.208.235] claimed to be user Message-ID: <007201c1972c$e63d0b40$ebd0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <200201070001.BAA00615@math.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Kopenhagen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:39:18 +1300 Status: RO It's so ice to be on a list with people who have been to the places I have been:) > For 10 hours now, I am back from my Denmark-Kopenhagen trip and > now finally found the time to get to the net again. We met at the > station, Bjarne lead us to a very nice cafe in Kopenhagen where > we had coffee and talked about embroidery, costumes, and lace, > while my good little girl slept in her stroller much of the > time. I crossed between København and Malmö several times so was very familiar with the station;). Even if I did manage to lose my platform the first time and didn't really get the whole click your own ticket thing... > Since in 2 days and with > boyfriend and child, time is so limited, I only made it to > the Rosenborg Castle and the National Museum, where I had a > walk through the "Stories of Denmark" exhibit. I had a few hours and only managed to stumble across Tivoli (closed) and the museum by accident;). Pleased I did even if I did have to rush through most of the exhibits. And if you see my site: http://phoenix.song.tripod.com/2001trip/kopenhavn.htm I did *not* use a flash for my photos. It was bloody amazing seeing statues up close enough to touch.. I was actually nervous of tripping and breaking something.. I wasn't about to hasten their deterioration by using a flash on my camera! Of course though, most photos are blurry, oh well... It has weapons, household items, clothes and > other textiles and really everything that gives a feel for the > life of the times in Denmark, from 1660 to 2000. Was that the series of rooms? I unfortunatly had to really rush through those because I had a booking at Det Ny Teater which I ran to meet:). Bjarne.. you know what I was seeing;)? It's beautiful isn't it? Even in winter when everyone was asking me "Why are you here now??"... Apart from the price and the fact it was my 25th birthday, I like winter.. gives you a real feel for how people really behave, rather than when everyone is happy with sunny weather:) Hope you have a nice rest and catch up on sleep.... nice warm glow when you come back from a cultural trip. Even if i did wind up in bed for a week with a nasty cold;) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 22:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27913 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:23:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g073sLF06799; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073s1s08717; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g073rus08681 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:53:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2194.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.194]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30659 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:54:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3C391B65.4CA28643@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Yet another take on LOTR...large can of worms References: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:52:06 -0500 Status: RO Hi. In answer to the last post, I just want to add that, as I mentioned in a previous post, John Howe was one of the conceptual designers for the film. John is a member of the Companie of St George, probably the finest and most authentic 15th cent. reenactment and Living History groups out there. You can see the quality of their work in John and Gerry's book "The Medieval Soldier". John managed to sneak in some great historical stuff into a fantasy film (see notes on a previous post). As to the questions, I believe that due to the work involved in creating real cloth of gold/silver, you are looking at India or Pakistan for sources. Tinsel Trading Company out of NYC has a website. They occasionally have real antique metallic trims. Check the archives of this list, there was a post earlier regarding the publishing of JA's work. I've been playing in the SCA for 20+ years, nothing about pseudo-documentation is strange to me anymore, not even people trying to justify plastic armor or Nike sneakers. My research started out the same as all others, with a need to avoid making the same excuses as everyone else, and, yes, I had some bad stuff "back then" but, as they say "I got better". You can see an illustration of a water closet in John Harrington's book "A new Discourse of a Stale Subject, Called the Metamorphosis of Ajax (London 1596). IMO, the feel and sheen of the silk pile is different, but if it doesn't matter to you, it doesn't matter to me. If you mean by stumpwork the little stuffed figures, they are not seen until at least 1620's (that I have seen), but if you mean detached buttonhole stitch, you can find some on a jacket dated 1600-1625 in the Burrill Collection in Glasgow. (There might also be some on some glove cuffs, but most of it looks like satin stitch and couched work to me). It is not in my range of abilities to explain blackwork, but if you send me a note, I will give you a biblio of all of my wife's books on the subject, you can ILL them, and possibly one or two of them together might be able to give you an adequate explanation. For the 3 y.o.'s boots, are you talking for period or non-period use? I have made all of my son's shoes for their different periods (one of my pet peeves is nicely made period clothing without the proper accessories, but I don't push it on others). Tell your husband that a fitted doublet was done that way so as to create a youthful-looking silhouette (make the waist smaller and emphasize the shoulders). Tell him that to do it any other way would be to make him look sloppy, and that you'd never want to do that to his body proportions or your good name as a seamstress. You might also want to try tying or hooking his doublet to his breeches. This keeps everything together, and there is no gap between breeches and doublet. It is actually quite comfortable that way. The fans probably look that way because they are not well made (at least in comparison to fans made in period), but since I can't see the ones you are looking at, I'll reserve my judgement. Hope this helps, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 23:17:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28235 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:17:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g074nOF10783; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g074n1s24879; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g074mms24843 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:48:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m144.in-tch.com [216.166.191.144]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g074bqn27452 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:37:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:53:14 -0700 Status: RO Sorry that I'm probably going to be quoting the whole message, but I think it got sent in some sort of fancy text, which my computer (sent to do plain text only) does odd things to when I respond..... At any rate, Moira, have you ever thought of fudging on the fullness of the skirts, since that seems to be a major problem (and I can see how it would be, too ). Certainly, it's a century for large skirts, but there are some slimmer-styled skirts, too, as well as some with less fullness in front. Some of the tudorish stuff, with the almost flat fronts comes to mind, or that great ropa-and-kirtle from Janet Arnold..... Just some ideas..... --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 23:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28303 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:38:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g075ALF12429; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:10:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075A1s29756; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0759hs29692 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:09:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust204.tnt3.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.193.14.204] helo=earthlink.net) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NS2r-0007Ry-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:10:02 -0800 Message-ID: <3C390DF0.A254B846@earthlink.net> From: AF Murphy X-Sender: "AF Murphy" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <8b.11cb8bfe.296a33a0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]large can of worms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:54:40 -0500 Status: RO Minoan Crete, in Knossos. Don't remember, off-hand, how many centuries BCE... but quite a few! I would suspect that most people who don't want to read about LOTR didn't read your post, since the subject wasn't changed visibly. Anne LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > what's the earliest use of an indoor water closet anyone can > come up with, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 6 23:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28349 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:48:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g075KLF13041; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075K1s02139; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075Jbs02066 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPJ004LKYT6FH@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:19:56 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-reply-to: <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020107001627.00c08100@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:20:12 -0500 Status: RO have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28452 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g075gMF14102; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:42:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g075g2s06693; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g075fvs06665 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:41:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 83424 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jan 2002 05:42:02 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-70.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.70) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 05:42:02 -0000 Message-ID: <007301c1972e$d49e04a0$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:53:12 -0500 Status: RO Sounds like a very fun project, Ingrid! I have personally seen a deep purple wool Regency spencer in the D.A.R. museum collection, beautifully detailed with velvet "military" trimming and lined with silk. I've also seen a red wool long cape with hood and a very thin, lightweight wool daydress with extremely long sleeves (almost to the fingertips). And, as someone else mentioned, flannel petticoats are discussed in a couple of period sources (I think they are listed in _The Mirror of the Graces_ as necessities for winter, but I can't find my copy to verify this). And long Regency coats can easily be made by adding a "skirt" to your spencer. They are very attractive and cozy, too! Have fun! Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28606 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:51:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076NMF16263; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076N1s14775; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076MKs14658 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-147.frys.com [66.121.20.147]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076L0r32590 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:21:01 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106221442.017e0400@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects In-Reply-To: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:22:37 -0800 Status: RO >grave bindings What are 'grave bindings'? >what's the earliest common use of an indoor water closet >anyone can come up with Roman >can anyone explain >blackwork paths to me in a way I can understand? Whth double-sided 'Holbein' stitch, you're doing half the pattern on the first pass, and the other half on the return path. Where the needle comes up thru the cloth on the first pass, it goes down there on the return path. That way both sides of the design look the same. >how do I get my husband to wear >a fitted doublet? he says he wants a doublet then doesn't want it "binding" >him Explain to him that if he wants one, he has to be willing to wear it. If he thinks they look good but isn't willing to wear it, because he thinks it binds someplace, tell him to get a Ken doll and you'll put one on that for him to look at. >why is it that most of the ostrich plume fans look like feather dusters >with a staple in the cone part? Because feather dusters are made from ostrich plumes? Because the plumes on the fans aren't attached to the ends of sticks but are fastened together all at one point? Gosh, mine never look like that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28610 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:51:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076NdF16279; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076NJs14847; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076MNs14671 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-147.frys.com [66.121.20.147]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076Kxr32587 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:20:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106220824.017ab6e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... In-Reply-To: <20020106175200.89286.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C388BA6.A7EB78E7@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:10:08 -0800 Status: RO >..and we won't >even discuss the Halloween she cut all her hair off... One year one of mine had already cut all her hair off, and for Halloween she wore all metallic-silver clothes and makeup, I glued silver Mylar squares all over her head (hair 1/4" long) and she went as a Disco ball (her idea). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28614 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:52:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076NkF16302; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076NPs14890; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076MNs14670 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-147.frys.com [66.121.20.147]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g076L2r32593 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:21:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020106222514.017e4c80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:28:45 -0800 Status: RO > >> >> I've thought about it, but hadn't been able to think of something I could >> use reliably at events and remove the rest of the week, > > I was thinking of a partial slipcover. Non-wheeled chairs get full > slipcovers, so why can't a wheeled one get one which doesn't cover the > wheels? > > And as for dresses which are too big in the skirt, have you considered a male > persona? Not to fool anybody, but just to get trousers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 00:52:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28619 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:52:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076OKF16362; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076O0s15052; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076Nqs15018 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:23:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020107062406.CWKU24940.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:24:06 +0000 Message-ID: <06e501c19743$d7790480$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> <007301c1972e$d49e04a0$ac37fea9@jchancey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] question about patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:20:14 -0600 Status: RO I realize that this may be OT but I am curious as to how to deal with an individual trying to sell me a photocopy of a pattern. I believe that it is worth the photocopy paper it is copied on and will only purchase it if the copyright is free and clear. I will break that rule for things having to do with research from periodicals that I cannot purchase or find anywhere else in the world. Not for a commercial pattern that was printed in the 20th century that is very likely to show up at auction again or at the lending library for purchase. Am I wrong? I have not heard back from the seller who contacted me after I lost a bid to one of many patterns I bid on at a local auction house via a third party. I am not really sure what pattern they were referring to as the message was about one sentence long offering me a copy at the price at my highest bid. Laughable really as I would never pay that much for a photocopy. I am bidding that high for the ORIGINAL. :) I just have never really run across this before. What I have run across is swapping vintage pattern scans of copyright free issues. No money exchanged hands, no usmail involved. But have always been careful about the clarification of the copyright. Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 01:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28712 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 01:16:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g076mLF17677; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g076m0s20031; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g076lUs19928 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18541 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 06:47:46 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 06:47:46 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d252.nas26.sonic.net [209.204.191.252]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g076ljr00529 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:47:45 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C3944D0.91AA53C9@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] question about patterns References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> <007301c1972e$d49e04a0$ac37fea9@jchancey> <06e501c19743$d7790480$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:48:48 -0800 Status: RO > I realize that this may be OT but I am curious as to how to deal with an > individual trying to sell me a photocopy of a pattern. > > I believe that it is worth the photocopy paper it is copied on and will only > purchase it if the copyright is free and clear. See the following website, "When Works Pass Into the Public Domain": http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm > I have not heard back from the seller who contacted me after I lost a bid to > one of many patterns I bid on at a local auction house via a third party. I > am not really sure what pattern they were referring to as the message was > about one sentence long offering me a copy at the price at my highest bid. > Laughable really as I would never pay that much for a photocopy. I am > bidding that high for the ORIGINAL. :) As to the photocopy issues: Ebay prices for pre-1920 or so patterns have tended to be high. And are further inflated by people who want to sell photocopies of patterns at prices that, IMO, are much too high for a copy, regardless of whether the pattern's copyright has expired. Sellers hope to sell originals for high prices, over $100 even, then also charge each back bidder a lower price, but still very high for a copy. They often judge how much the back bidder might pay by the amount of their bid, so the lower bidders in the same auction are offered copies of the same pattern at a lower price. Bidders who paid high prices for a pattern they won, in turn try to sell overpriced copies to the back bidders or in a later ebay auction. If they sell enough copies to continue buying and selling more patterns at inflated prices, they do it. One problem with a copy is it can vary a lot in quality. People can trace around a pattern with varying degrees of accuracy, forget markings, forget to copy parts of it or the instructions, and so on. I personally prefer to buy only originals. And I'm noticing that some ebay sellers are prominently saying, "This is not a copy" which I assume means I'm not alone in this. With patterns published after 1900 or so you're pretty sure to eventually (sometimes quickly) find a similar style in an original on ebay later. Another thing is, the recession has really brought ebay pattern prices down and so far they are continuing to drop. Usually, someone who sells on ebay but who offers to sell you something privately off ebay, does it because they think they can make more money that way than in an open auction. Which says they think demand isn't that high. I've refused to buy high-priced items people offered to sell me privately, which the sellers then put on ebay and sold for less than they tried to charge me, or they could not sell them at all. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 04:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12965 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:05:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g079bRF24442; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g079b1s22916; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g079aGs22803 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 02:36:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g079aYK21355 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:36:34 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B018F0F@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:36:34 +0100 (CET) Status: RO On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Cynthia Barnes wrote: > You say both "18th c" and "Regency", so I'm a little confused, Ingrid. I'd Ah, I meant Regency in the broad sense it is sometimes used, to include the Empire and Directoire periods (mainly because I'm not sure of whether those terms are used to describe clothing in English - in Norwegian we only use Empire to describe the high-waisted look of these periods (as far as I know)), but the correct period I'm talking about would be Directoire. I think. :) Part of my problem is that the character I'm portraying comes from Trondheim in Norway, in the year 1800. I don't have any sources as to the dress of that city at that time. But judging from my sources from other parts of the country, I've figured that they'd be a few years behind British and French fashion, but still up to date enough to wear the high-waisted style. However, I won't die if I end up with a costume that dates a few years later than 1800 - frankly, I can't imagine anyone at this event noticing. Thanks so much to everyone who have answered; it has helped a great deal. :) Oh, and I forgot to ask - what about sleeve lengths? Would day dresses be short sleeved in winter as well, so that you'd rely on shalws to keep warm when inside, without the spencers? Or did sleeves follow the seasons (and common sense ;) )? Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 07:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13928 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07DANF02066; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07DA0s15404; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07D9Ms15223 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:09:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107130943.7978.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.91] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 05:09:43 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wish me luck... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020106220824.017ab6e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:09:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Very cool, and way better than my approach in the same situation. Reminding a 3-year-old of your 2 days in labor is quite remarkably ineffective, as I recall! That same scissor-happy 3-year-old is now my 30-year-old hair-growing-out buddy. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > One year one of mine had already cut all her hair > off, and for Halloween > she wore all metallic-silver clothes and makeup, I > glued silver Mylar > squares all over her head (hair 1/4" long) and she > went as a Disco ball > (her idea). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14172 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07E71F05179; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07E6cs28426; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07E5ss28235 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:05:54 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23809 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 14:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.129) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 14:06:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3C39AB99.78733B4D@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet References: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:07:20 -0600 Status: RO LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly > on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what > difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did > exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) {outside > of competitions of course} All of the silk velvet I've found (well, silk/rayon velvet) has been FAR too drapey to successfully use in period applications. For my purposes (mostly 16th c.), a good-quality synthetic velvet is actually a better choice. If anyone has a source for 100% silk velvet with some body to it, I would love to hear! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14209 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:44:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07EGNF05815; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:16:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EG1s00930; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EF6s00714 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:15:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.33.206c30d5 (3934) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <33.206c30d5.296b0777@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] merveilleuse mock up To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15:19 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:02:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << I, for some reason, think that Fran owns a skirt lifter. Metal? Sort of a rectangular thing with a clip or ratchet arrangement. The metal piece hung from the wrist with a length of ribbon. It maybe from a different period (like 1870s or '80s?). It's the only one I've ever seen. >> It is my recollection, too, that skirt lifters are late 19th century. I seem to remember patents issued for them, or advertisements for them, or some other vague memory of documentation--the bane of our existence! (I KNOW I saw that SOMEWHERE!) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 08:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14233 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07ELMF06251; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:21:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EL0s02341; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07EKWs02217 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:20:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.5b.20e0bc36 (3934) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.20e0bc36.296b08ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:42 EST Status: RO My thinking regarding velvet is that rayon, being a filament fiber, albeit man-made, more readily simulates silk than does cotton. However, you are correct about the weight. Many velvets are very "drapey." Some of the synthetics, or cotton/synthetic blends, may have the proper weight. I rather imagine that, if a 100% silk velvet exists today, it, too, will be very lightweight, or prohibitively expensive, or both. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 09:46:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14459 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:46:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FIOF11309; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07FI1s23157; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07FHes22994 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSLS4OMTC00E4NV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:19:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSLS357QS00DXH8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:19:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:24 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:09 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:03 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock. In-reply-to: <200201050215.g052FEs11728@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <318DEF74E44@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and > >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their > >own, of course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in > >any way attractive. > > > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over > buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the > textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and > purple. ;) Oooh! Now that sounds like a *much* more attractive option. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14546 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FcMF13500; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fc0s02262; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fbws02245 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSMIAC9I800EB8D@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:40:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSMI8WFQE00CMJX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:40:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:42 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:31 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:26 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-reply-to: <200201050559.g055xis05617@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:35:25 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Thanks for all of the ideas. One of my biggest problems is getting > skirts caught in the wheels, especially when I am in a position to us > my manual chair for the day. What figures is that I absolutely fell > in love with Elizabethan and early Tudor just before being stuck in > these things, and love full skirts, etc. Unfortunately, I can't even > get away with a full length tunic, let alone the full stuff.;-p I > guess I could have worse problems.;-} Just a suggestion, and one you may already have thought of but....# Could you make a frame to go over the chair that would hold the skirts out over and away from the wheels (like a really big "wheel- farthingale arrangement)? The skirts could drop straight down well beyond the wheels (perhaps with hoops lower down to keep the fabric from flapping in and catching in the wheels) I you costumed the back of the wheelchair to look like a period regular chair or throne, and had hidden slits in the pleating around the top of the "wheel-farthingale" part, you could reach down through them to move the wheels when you needed to go anywhere and the rest of the time you would simply look like a lady sitting down in a large -skirted Elizabethan gown. It's need a lot of work figuring out the exact size and shape of the frame, and how/where to attach it to the wheelchair, but once it was done, you could make several different gowns to wear over it. Alternatively, you could have someone accompany you dressed as a servant, and they could push the chair you whenever you wanted to move somewhere - so you could do away with the sits hidden in the pleats... Of course, then you'd need to pay the servant, I suppose. Teddy (I can picture it clearly in *my* head, is it my fault reception isn't so clear where *you* are?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:08:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14558 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:08:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FeMF13842; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fe0s03251; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw03.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07FdWs03032 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web29 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw03.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C2119C300479EF5 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:32:46 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <44978AF4814B5064CAAC1539FB1DE6DE@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Cloth of Gold and Metal Trims Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:41:41 -0500 Status: RO LaLame in NY city is the best for this I've ever found. They've got a full color catalog and will send you samples of anything for free (and I mean REALLY nice samples such as 12" square pieces of thier real gold on gold fabrics and such). You can order most of thier brocades in almost any color combo you need (as well as gold and silver) and they also make lurex metallic versions of most of their brocades. As for trims, they have excellent real metal trims and banding. Thier prices aren't as bad as you might expect (like some of the silk sited posted here in the past -- ouch!). Thier customer service is wonderful and thier shipping is always very quick. Hope this helps. Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14611 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:17:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07FnOF14990; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fn1s07433; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imf11bis.bellsouth.net (mail211.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.151]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Fmvs07375 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:48:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.4]) by imf11bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.00 201-253-122-122-20010827) with SMTP id <20020107155025.HWQB19910.imf11bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: <006901c19792$88a7c400$04144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Sarah Grochoski" To: References: <44978AF4814B5064CAAC1539FB1DE6DE@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cloth of Gold and Metal Trims MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:46:50 -0500 Status: RO Do they have a website? Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Tribe" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] Cloth of Gold and Metal Trims > LaLame in NY city is the best for this I've ever found. They've got > a full color catalog and will send you samples of anything for free > (and I mean REALLY nice samples such as 12" square pieces of thier > real gold on gold fabrics and such). You can order most of thier > brocades in almost any color combo you need (as well as gold and > silver) and they also make lurex metallic versions of most of their > brocades. As for trims, they have excellent real metal trims and > banding. Thier prices aren't as bad as you might expect (like some > of the silk sited posted here in the past -- ouch!). Thier customer > service is wonderful and thier shipping is always very quick. Hope > this helps. > > Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14785 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:48:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GKOF18781; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GK1s24326; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GJks24167 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:19:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.11e.9c9ae8a (4586) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:19:53 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <11e.9c9ae8a.296b24a9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:19:53 EST Status: RO In a message dated 7/1/02 12:24:21 AM, kayta@frys.com writes: << What are 'grave bindings'? >> They tied the hands and feet together to stop postmortem movement during the various stages of rigor mortis, the coins on the eyes (which I think everyone has heard at one point or another) is to keep the eyes closed. Apparantly doesn't take much weight to do that. Best, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14799 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GMNF19053; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GM0s25550; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GLus25505 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:21:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.183.1bb5cc5 (4586) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <183.1bb5cc5.296b252f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:22:07 EST Status: RO In a message dated 7/1/02 8:07:36 AM, melanie@faucet.net writes: << If anyone has a source for 100% silk velvet with some body to it, I would love to hear! >> 100% silk velvet is not hard to come by, it's hard to pay for. $400 and UP per yard. Can't conscience that. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:59:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14868 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:59:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GVNF20246; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GV1s00516; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GUPs00180 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSOC6NNQO00E4UA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:32:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSOBWD1DE00DENF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:52 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:47 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:39 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] QEII In-reply-to: <200201070003.g0703Ds07401@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <31A14DB0B0B@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:27:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > In a message dated 6/1/02 5:47:08 PM, talk2meg@midwest.net writes: << > Has anyone seen the dresses of Queen Elizabeth II that are currently > displayed in Bath "up close and personal"? >> Come on Teddy-spill. Not me, Anne, I've only ever travelled *through* Bath on my way to other places so have never had the chance to visit the costume Museum. And, if I did, I wouldn't spend any time at all on the current Queen's clothing.... not a period I'm really interested in. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 10:59:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14873 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:59:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GVcF20289; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GVGs00656; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:31:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07GUQs00193 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:30:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:30:44 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:30:44 -0800 (PST) Status: RO What do people do with long straight bangs when wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is something about the shape of my face that I feel I look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing my hair up or back. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15021 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:09:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GfNF21851; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:41:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Gf0s05866; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm7.jersey.juno.com (wm7.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Gers05798 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:40:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVROctbFfRG3zE68VQpO5RJfyQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm7.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKK84NQ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:40:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.114052.538.3538@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:40:45 GMT Status: RO Although I have let my bangs (fringe for our English cousins) grow out in recent years, I did re-enactment for many years with bangs. What one does with them in period garb depends on the period. For many periods, headwear is de rigeur, and by choosing a type of headwear that covers the front of the head or where the bangs can be swept back into the covered area you can hide their existence. If you are doing a high-class persona/costume, or just if you want to, you can wer a wig and just hide your real hair altogether. What period are you interested in doing that the bangs wouldn't be correct for? (Gosh that was a bizarre sentence construction!!!) Karen ---------- Joan Garner writes: What do people do with long straight bangs when wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is something about the shape of my face that I feel I look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing my hair up or back. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15075 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:18:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GoMF23100; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Go0s10708; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GnAs10324 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCSOYAAM5C00DTT3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:51:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCSOY5VV2M00DY9O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:49 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:35 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:32 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England In-reply-to: <200201071311.g07DB7s15634@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <31A60CB128C@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:45:31 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Sorry Penny, I'm sure my suitcases are going to be full both ways. > I have to bring clothes for a month as well as costumes for > Teddy's coronation. I'm not sure how I'm going to get it all in > the suitcase actually. I think that is where he's sticking me. > If he really thinks it safe for me to be let loose in his sewing > room.... tee hee. Current plan is Daniell (who arrives first) will be in the spare bedroom (some fabric boxes, but very few - it is just across the landing from the door into the fabric-storage room in the loft space of the sewing room, however). Karen is next to arrive from Chicago, just before Coronation, she gets the sewing room. Seanan arrives from somehwere near San Francisco on the morning that we leave for Coronation. We pick her and her costumes and luggage up on the way to the Coronation and she gets the sofa-bed in the livingroom when we get back after coronation. Hmmm... Five of us, plus costumes - We are *definately* going to need a roof-box for the car. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15097 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:24:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07GuNF23986; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:56:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Gu0s14243; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07Gt6s13609 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:55:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107165527.32013.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:55:27 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020107.114052.538.3538@wm7.jersey.juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:55:27 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > What period are you interested in doing that the > bangs wouldn't be correct for? (Gosh that was a > bizarre sentence construction!!!) oooh - remember 7th grade? Let's go to the board and diagram this sentence! ;-) To answer your question, 12th century English. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15130 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:28:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07H0NF24728; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:00:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H01s16616; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07GxLs16190 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04766.; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:07:05 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:59:41 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g07GxLs16190 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:59:13 +0000 Status: RO I have *extremely* thick hair which it would be difficult (and unflattering) to keep off my face for everyday purposes if I didn't wear a fringe. A few years back, with advice from people on this list, I devised a way of holding it off my face with a toothed hairband thingy and hiding the result under a veil. I wear it like this with my "best" 17th century garb. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com 01/07/02 04:30pm >>> What do people do with long straight bangs when wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is something about the shape of my face that I feel I look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing my hair up or back. Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:29:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15135 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07H1NF24966; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:01:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H10s17249; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm7.jersey.juno.com (wm7.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H0Ns16832 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:00:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVRO3iFOcZHPByRHPIhlMq9Psw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm7.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKMCXBS; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:00:27 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.120027.538.3606@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:00:22 GMT Status: RO Yippeeeee!!! I get the sewing room!!!! I am trying to figure out how to pack my Elizabethans in the smallest possible space......but they are still full court Elizabethans!!!!!! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15170 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:36:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07H8OF26095; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H80s21457; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm7.jersey.juno.com (wm7.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07H7Zs21175 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:07:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVROId4WBu4aPY2orWR6hD2MIw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm7.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKMRCTK; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:07:14 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.120714.538.3636@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:07:05 GMT Status: RO ---------- Joan Garner writes: To answer your question, 12th century English. Ah! That's an easy one! The 12th century had all sorts of interesting drapey veil things going on. If you do the late end, you can even do one of those 'pork pie', barbette, and caul arrangements. Just sweep your bangs back under the veiling and pretend they don't exist! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 11:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15216 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:57:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07HTOF28831; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HT0s03990; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HSAs03528 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:28:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OtlIfUi7UocFBMylSvHpktQ="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKNXJX7; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:28:05 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Message-ID: <20020107.092639.-140121.8.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-28 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:56:01 +0000 Status: RO I have longish bangs and use an elasticized headband to hold them back under my veil. Know how you feel. I look much better with bangs than without. Arlys On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:30:44 -0800 (PST) Joan Garner writes: > What do people do with long straight bangs when > wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors > simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is > something about the shape of my face that I feel I > look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing > my hair up or back. > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 12:05:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15243 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:05:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07HUmF29089; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HUQs04828; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:30:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07HTPs04251 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:29:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.110]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020107172946.UHBE14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:29:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3C39DAD1.2090507@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) References: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:28:49 -0600 Status: RO Veils? There is a wonderful page about wearing veils and avoiding the "muffen head" look as the author puts it http://www.virtue.to/articles/veils.html Katie Joan Garner wrote: > What do people do with long straight bangs when > wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors > simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is > something about the shape of my face that I feel I > look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing > my hair up or back. > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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Hope >>this helps. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 12:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15317 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07HlPF01692; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Hl1s14384; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f15.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Hk1s13855 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:46:18 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.47 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:46:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.47] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2002 17:46:18.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[361C6AE0:01C197A3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:46:18 -0500 Status: RO ><< What are 'grave bindings'? >> > >They tied the hands and feet together to stop postmortem movement during >the >various stages of rigor mortis, the coins on the eyes (which I think >everyone >has heard at one point or another) is to keep the eyes closed. Apparantly >doesn't take much weight to do that. >Best, >Lady G Some cultures also tied the jaw shut, so that it wouldn't flap open and look like the person was screaming. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:11:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15654 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07IhSF10592; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:43:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Ih1s18427; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw12.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Ig6s17868 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:42:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web29 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw12.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C212CD40047FE58 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:35:21 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <47FF98F0F613FAF45B89BA21093B3B92@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] La Lame Phone # Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:44:14 -0500 Status: RO No, they don't have a webiste... but if you call them , they'll send you a free catalog and actuallyhave a good idea of what you mean when you describe "period" fabric designs (so you could order some samples even before you get the catalog). 212-921-9770 La Lame Inc. 250 W. 39th St. New York, NY 10018 Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15829 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:52:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JNvF16497; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JNYs11040; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06KYTs16417 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st02-034.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.67.35]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g06KYdg17195 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:34:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020106214157.00a434d0@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:43:02 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale, curator Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15833 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:52:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JO8F16558; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:24:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JNis11178; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g06NYBs00697 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from opalsun ([63.195.131.242]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GPJ00JG0ITGCW@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:34:28 -0800 (PST) From: Margo Glenn-Lewis Subject: RE: [h-cost] Matching thread? In-reply-to: <3C389410.59CC61A7@tds.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <001601c1970c$67bc9b20$0200a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: nomad@opalsun.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:46:45 -0800 Status: RO But us Mongols are simple pastoral peace-loving nomads - why would we need to 'thread' anyone? Margo Glenn-Lewis aka Morgan the Unspeakable Mongolian Nomad > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Katie > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:15 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Matching thread? > > > I was thinking about doing an alt "Viking" persona. I guess that > would work for that persona....or a Mongol. *L* > > Katie > > Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > > > At 11:01 PM 01/03/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >Man I need sleep replace all "threat"s with "thread" > > > > > >Sorry about that > > > > Actually, that could be pretty funny. "What threat do I > need to go with > > this costume?" could be an interesting question if you were > playing a heavy > > -- assasin, pirate, anything like that ;) > > > > "Hand over your doubloons or I'll slit yer throat!" > > > > "Surrender all your lupines!" > > > > > > > > -- Mara > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 13:53:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15845 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JNPF16402; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JN1s10720; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g05NfFs00513 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2002 16:41:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPHOSK00.4JY for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:48:20 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-88.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.88]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 101/2020634); 06 Jan 2002 09:41:20 Message-ID: <3C389BD0.3040500@bigpond.com> From: "A. Clarke" Organization: AndyCO. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] What I did on my holidays..... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:47:44 -0800 Status: RO Well I am back from 3 weeks with the in-laws, and in the middle of mopping up a flooded laundry (all my fault of course) to the tune of baby screams (Erin now expects to be picked up and cuddled the minute she opens her mouth - a pox on grandparents I say...). Anyway, I though I'd take a break to boast a bit. My hubby has a great aunty who is a bit of a hoarder, of all things, but I finally got a chance to raid her fabric stash, and came away with amongst other things: a pair of gold satin evening gloves, unused 3.6 m of grey angora wool 150cm wide 6m of pearl corduroy some very stiff cotton? organza with a rose print some very old woven interfacing various size pieces (50cm - 2m) of taffeta I think is silk 3m of light blue raw silk a small piece of silk? brocade (enough for a pair of sleeves) a small piece of silk? tartan all measurements and contents are approximate as I haven't had time to examine it carefully. Most of it also has a very strong smell of mothballs. Some of it is very old, as Aunty is about 75 and has been hoarding for about 50yrs I also scored a lot of fabric money for my b-day and Christmas which occur close together so I splurged at the Jan sales: Just over 18m of velveteen (dark blue and mauve) at A$3/m 5m of dark blue/black shot silk satin $15/m 10m of fine gold chain and 2m of very large link chain (looks like the big big chains worn in 16th century portraits) 10m of linen (white and black) yay!!!! I have evil plans for most of it of course, although I'd appreciate suggestions for the corduroy. It's not like the pearl cord I've seen in the shops recently. You could almost describe it as a patterned velvet (but not of good velvet quality). I wonder if it would avoid the pre-16th c controversies about corduroy for this reason.... Oh and does anyone know if angora was used before 1600? Or more specifically in the 14th/15th centuries? It is so beautifully soft, although not very finely woven, and it does have those angora hairs in (kind of like a cat has rolled on it) which I don't see as going down very well in period. Oh well. Claire PS Bjarne and Mara - As noted I have been away which is why I have not responded to requests to see my 1780's corset. I don't actually have any pics of it yet, but I was planning to take some pics of my more recent work soon so I will let you know when they are available... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:03:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15878 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:03:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JZPF18492; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JZ2s17815; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm13.jersey.juno.com (wm13.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.233]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JYCs17368 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVRO3d68BdtweqbxBFIl0XlwgQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm13.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQKV63BZ; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:34:31 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.143431.594.2677@wm13.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:34:17 GMT Status: RO And there's always damask from Damascus. ---------- Jadran Kale writes: From: Jadran Kale To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:43:02 +0100 Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale, curator Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17571 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JnPF20610; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Jn1s25670; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Jmms25523 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:48:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g07Jn8F26979 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:49:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205745.00a5a060@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:57:46 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17575 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JnrF20694; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JnTs25929; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Jmds25429 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:48:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g07JmxF26826 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:48:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205735.00a5ab20@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:57:37 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 14:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17579 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:19:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07JnmF20678; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JnOs25884; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:49:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07JmUs25319 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:48:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from o5q7t5.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g07JmnF26657 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:48:50 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205725.00a0dd90@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:57:27 +0100 Status: RO Hi H-Costumers, I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of derivated textile terms? Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of the same name, etc.? Sincerely, Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 15:21:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17849 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07KpwF00220; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Kp3e02338; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:51:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Koqe02209 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:50:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.46.207bf86e (24899) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:50:34 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <46.207bf86e.296b6416@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I did on my holidays..... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:50:30 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/7/2002 2:24:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, which_switch_Harry@bigpond.com writes: << It is so beautifully soft, although not very finely woven, and it does have those angora hairs in (kind of like a cat has rolled on it) which I don't see as going down very well in period. Oh well. >> Could you try fulling and shrinking it? (A sample first, of course.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18137 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:19:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07Lp8F09092; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Lp2e08589; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Lobe08274 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07Lmvr17218 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:48:57 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107133518.00a88d60@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020107133518.00a88d60@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) In-Reply-To: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:35:57 -0800 Status: RO >What do people do with long straight bangs when >wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors >simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is >something about the shape of my face that I feel I >look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing >my hair up or back. Do 1880's. They had these as part of the period hairstyle. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18141 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07LpQF09143; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07LpOe08959; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Loce08289 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07Lmxr17221 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:48:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107133646.017ae760@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) In-Reply-To: <20020107165527.32013.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107.114052.538.3538@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:58:00 -0800 Status: RO >> What period are you interested in doing that the >> bangs wouldn't be correct for? (Gosh that was a >> bizarre sentence construction!!!) > > oooh - remember 7th grade? Let's go to the board >and diagram this sentence! ;-) In what period are you interested, wherein bangs wouldn't be correct? (or have I just read too many Victorian novels?) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18148 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:19:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07LpZF09170; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07LpYe09046; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:51:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Loee08316 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:50:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07Ln1r17224 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107134111.017bdcb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <3C389BD0.3040500@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] cloth (was What I did on my holidays) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:46:24 -0800 Status: RO >some very stiff cotton? organza I think if it's cotton it's organdy, and if something else it's organza. >I wonder if it would avoid the pre-16th c >controversies about corduroy for this reason.... Ihad a piece of corduroy with alternate very-wide and kind-of-narrow wales, and used it for Ren. trim on a German half-circular short cloak. I loaded my sewing machine bobbin with thickish gold thread and, from the back side of the cloth, sewed lines between all the piles. From the front it looked like gold cord couched between velvety pile. I used it in strips, cut on the diagonal. It didn't look like corduroy. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:24:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18186 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:24:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07Lu3F09774; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:56:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07Lu1e12369; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from urdvg136.cms.usa.net (urdvg136.cms.usa.net [204.68.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07Ltae12042 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:55:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5720 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 21:57:22 -0000 Received: from cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (165.212.10.6) by outbound.postoffice.net with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 21:57:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 21486 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2002 21:55:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20020107215532.21485.qmail@cpdvg202.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by cpdvg202.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer 34FM.0700.28.01B); Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:55:32 +0000 From: Shea Young To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [Re: [h-cost] Re:LOTR - Galadriel's frock.] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.28.01B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g07Ltae12042 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 7 Jan 2002 13:55:32 PST Status: RO Hi Teddy, We just saw it and I agree with you about the fabric. I know they were trying to create a light, spiderweb, eternal, nature-like garment, but it didn't work. But you know, like you, we got caught up in the movie and overall - it just didn't matter. I was delighted that they were able to produce this film with so much respect for the books. It was great! Shea in Oregon Teddy wrote: > > > >I've looked at several stills on the web and in a couple of books and > > >it still looks like tacky nylon-lace fabric to me. Each to their > > >own, of course, but I *can't* see a dress in that fabric as being in > > >any way attractive. > > > > > I was thinking of making a purple one in acid peeled velvet over > > buttersoft satin. I've used that kind of velvet before and the > > textures are really fun. But then I really like soft, fuzzy, and > > purple. ;) > > Oooh! Now that sounds like a *much* more attractive option. > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:33:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18225 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:33:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07M53F11107; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M51e18466; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M4Je18010 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:04:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust153.tnt33.bos2.da.uu.net ([63.48.91.153] helo=[63.25.23.170]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16NhsQ-0004yw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:04:19 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020107205745.00a5a060@jagor.srce.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] query: city names in origins of textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:00:47 -0400 Status: RO Just curious what this "hiccup" is -- I've rec'd 4 of these.... Sheila B >Hi H-Costumers, > > >I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of >derivated textile terms? > >Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or >textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of >the same name, etc.? > >Jadran Kale >Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik >Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 > @ http://jagor.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik >- - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18240 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:35:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07M72F11389; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M71e19781; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g07M6Ze19503 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:06:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020107220634.16243.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:06:34 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re:[h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020107133646.017ae760@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:06:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Well, my interest in historical costume, food & music tapers off quite sharply after about 1600! (except for a perverse fascination with making tea sandwiches -- I am The Dark Queen of Tea Sandwiches) Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > In what period are you interested, wherein bangs > wouldn't be correct? (or > have I just read too many Victorian novels?) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:37:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18247 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07M92F11658; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M90e21062; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07M8re21000 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0918.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.156]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07M8qe186028 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c197c8$889983a0$9c55fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:13:27 -0500 Status: RO Sue, Thanks! I think I'll try it out soon. It'll help me do later periods than I could do otherwise. Then, I'd just need to cut the skirt a bit shorter, and figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do corsets quite yet.);-D Moira > Sorry that I'm probably going to be quoting the whole message, but I > think it got sent in some sort of fancy text, which my computer (sent to > do plain text only) does odd things to when I respond..... > At any rate, Moira, have you ever thought of fudging on the fullness of > the skirts, since that seems to be a major problem (and I can see how it > would be, too ). Certainly, it's a century for large skirts, but > there are some slimmer-styled skirts, too, as well as some with less > fullness in front. Some of the tudorish stuff, with the almost flat > fronts comes to mind, or that great ropa-and-kirtle from Janet > Arnold..... > Just some ideas..... > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:40:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18270 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:40:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07MB2F11857; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MB1e22242; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MAOe21853 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:10:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0918.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.156]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07MANe57218 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c197c8$be9d0760$9c55fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <4.3.2.7.2.20020107001627.00c08100@mail.optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:14:57 -0500 Status: RO Actually, I tried a couple of times, and didn't really get anywhere. Of course, this was awhile ago. It could be that more people are on the list now who could pitch advice my way.;-) Moira > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment > > Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:40:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18274 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:40:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07MC2F11991; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MC0e22914; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MB1e22253 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfo5m.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.224.182] helo=[199.174.222.253]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Nhyu-0007GP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:11:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C375A92.E0F5CC16@earthlink.net> References: <200112270112.RAA29874@artemis.directcon.net> <3C33B4C2.8D5D49F2@earthlink.net> <3C375A92.E0F5CC16@earthlink.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:19:09 -0800 Status: RO At 1:57 PM -0600 1/5/02, Magdalena wrote: >Chris Laning wrote: > >> He pointed >> out that, if a shirt is merely gathered into the neckline at the >> back, there is extra fullness at the upper back shoulder line that >> tends to migrate toward the front, causing the sleeves to twist. This >> tightens the shirt in the upper arm area, which he finds >> uncomfortable. >> > > Anyone else have this experience? > > Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I >measure the neck, >the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. When I gather to a >neckline, I >make sure that the back half of the shirt is gathered to the back of the neck >measurement. (Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather >unevenly, with the >majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the >gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? Well, duh -- I should have thought of that ! Yes, it sounds like gathering more tightly in the center would help a lot. Thanks! Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period shirts where you can see it. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 16:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18306 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:48:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g07MK3F13135; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MK2e28607; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g07MJQe28189 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:19:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (A020-0918.TAMP.splitrock.net [63.254.85.156]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g07MJQe78936 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:24:00 -0500 Status: RO > >OK, the scary thing is, I think I understand what you mean, although the mental image I originally got was a bit bizarre.;-D I even have a hoopskirt I wouldn't mind abusing to try to experiment with this idea. (hey, my neighbors probably already think I'm crazy anyway. We're still trying to explain the concept of homeschooling and history being something other than something you sleep through at school.);-O Thanks, Teddy. Could turn into a great excuse to do early 17thC for SCA.;-} Hugs, Moira I you costumed the back of the wheelchair to look like a period > regular chair or throne, and had hidden slits in the pleating around > the top of the "wheel-farthingale" part, you could reach down > through them to move the wheels when you needed to go > anywhere and the rest of the time you would simply look like a lady > sitting down in a large -skirted Elizabethan gown. > never work> > > Teddy > (I can picture it clearly in *my* head, is it my fault reception isn't so > clear where *you* are?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 18:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18717 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:40:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080BwF28063; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080Bue29802; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080AKe29024 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.21] (as-5-35.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.21]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g080AD019886; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:10:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, costume list From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:57:51 -0800 Status: RO At 8:30 AM -0800 1/7/02, Joan Garner wrote: >What do people do with long straight bangs when >wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors >simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is >something about the shape of my face that I feel I >look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing >my hair up or back. If you're doing an era that involves significant head-linen for women, you can make one of your foundation items be a "headband" of linen broad enough to hold it back out of sight (as well as serving as a foundation for other things to be pinned to). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 18:41:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18720 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:41:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080B8F27983; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080B1e29285; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080AEe28988 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.21] (as-5-35.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.21]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g080AD019886; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:10:13 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020107163044.40171.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, costume list From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:57:51 -0800 Status: RO At 8:30 AM -0800 1/7/02, Joan Garner wrote: >What do people do with long straight bangs when >wearing "pre-bang" garb? Or do serious re-enactors >simply bite the bullet & grow them out? There is >something about the shape of my face that I feel I >look much better with bangs, particularly when wearing >my hair up or back. If you're doing an era that involves significant head-linen for women, you can make one of your foundation items be a "headband" of linen broad enough to hold it back out of sight (as well as serving as a foundation for other things to be pinned to). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 18:52:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18770 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:52:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080NZF29336; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080NXe04955; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:23:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail2.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080KKe03634 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-164-122.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.164.122] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail2.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16Njzz-0000Jg-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:20:15 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00515 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:20:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201080020.BAA00515@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201070247.g072lJs17607@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 6, 2002 07:47:19 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Back from Kopenhagen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:20:14 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: "Penny Ladnier" > How exciting!!!! It is wonderful to meet h-costume people. Get lots of > sleep... Bjarne's class starts tomorrow. BTW, did you bring the teacher an > apple? LOL!!! > > Penny Ladnier ... is this something to do with an English proverb or joke or custom? Please... my first language is not English. Can you explain? Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:08:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18994 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080cYF01179; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080cWe11014; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:38:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080YEe09461 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.139.135]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020108003410.PJYD941.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:34:10 +0000 Message-ID: <3C3A3F73.45F46819@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:38:11 -0500 Status: RO Moira.... this would be a good challenge for me. It's been quite a while since I've had a good one. We could start plotting after Gulf Wars. ( Sorry I have a period-esque wedding gown to do before then.) This could be fun! Wanna try? Crissy Heather wrote: > > >OK, the scary thing is, I think I understand what you mean, although the > mental image I originally got was a bit bizarre.;-D I even have a hoopskirt > I wouldn't mind abusing to try to experiment with this idea. (hey, my > neighbors probably already think I'm crazy anyway. We're still trying to > explain the concept of homeschooling and history being something other than > something you sleep through at school.);-O > Thanks, Teddy. Could turn into a great excuse to do early 17thC for SCA.;-} > Hugs, > Moira > > I you costumed the back of the wheelchair to look like a period > > regular chair or throne, and had hidden slits in the pleating around > > the top of the "wheel-farthingale" part, you could reach down > > through them to move the wheels when you needed to go > > anywhere and the rest of the time you would simply look like a lady > > sitting down in a large -skirted Elizabethan gown. > > > > never work> > > > > Teddy > > (I can picture it clearly in *my* head, is it my fault reception isn't so > > clear where *you* are?) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:18:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19179 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:18:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080oYF03000; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080oWe16300; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm11.jersey.juno.com (wm11.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080jfe14620 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:45:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VChzbKVTXQVROT+T86R+gqNoQJWD2Jg5kSA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm11.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQLFXLYP; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:45:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Re: Back from Kopenhagen X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020107.194502.556.63320@wm11.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:44:49 GMT Status: RO There is an old tradition in the States of children bringing their teachers an apple as a gift. It started back in the pioneer days when simple gifts of food could be very important. It has gotten to the point where a red apple is often used as a symbol for a teacher and an apple by a blackboard is understood as a symbol for a school. A derogatory use of the image is the term 'apple polisher' because, of course, the children wanted to make a good impression on their teacher, so they would shine the apples and make sure the apples looked their best. Thus the term is used for anyone who is trying very, very hard to make a good impression on someone not by their skills or talents, but by flattery or bribery. Karen ---------- Barbara Maren Winkler writes: From: Barbara Maren Winkler To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Back from Kopenhagen Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:20:14 +0100 (CET) > From: "Penny Ladnier" > How exciting!!!! It is wonderful to meet h-costume people. Get lots of > sleep... Bjarne's class starts tomorrow. BTW, did you bring the teacher an > apple? LOL!!! > > Penny Ladnier .... is this something to do with an English proverb or joke or custom? Please... my first language is not English. Can you explain? Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19319 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:28:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080xuF03993; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080xse19507; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080nNe15895 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:49:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:49:17 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DBB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] city names in origins of textile terms MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:49:15 -0800 Status: RO Paisley, Scotland (named for the wrong place, in Scotland were copying Indian shawl designs) Madras plaid (may mean the state of Madras, not the city, tho.) Battenburg and Chantilly laces Jersey knit What's "Kelly green" named for? There ought to be some Chinese silk named after cities. The only Chinese term I recall the translation of is Pongee = "home made". Hardly a city name. I'll ask around and see if my coworkers know any Japanese cityname terms. Sounds like you're planning an exhibit theme. Please tell! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 19:28:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19330 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:28:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g080xmF03974; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080xke19433; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:59:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.4.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g080m5e15442 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from p-165-093.zrz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.165.93] helo=math.tu-berlin.de) by mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.34) for id 16NkQq-0007Nu-00; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:48:01 +0100 Received: (from barbara@localhost) by math.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00555; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:47:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from barbara) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Message-Id: <200201080047.BAA00555@math.tu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <200201072213.g07MDTe24018@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 7, 2002 03:13:29 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: Barbara Maren Winkler X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: city names and textile terms Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:47:54 +0100 (CET) Status: RO > From: Jadran Kale > I wonder could a snowball be rolled on by adding city names to a list of > derivated textile terms? > > Like textile materials: "jeans" from "Genova", "denim" from "de Nimes", or > textile objects like "baldachin" from Baghdad and "fez" from the city of > the same name, etc.? "Paisley" for a design ornament that was produced on shawls in the Scottish town of the same name, imitating the expensive Cashmere shawls from Asia. Talking about Cashmere: It is a goat, a fiber, and a notoriously unstable and much fought-over region of the world. Also a famous rock song and a (Danish? Norwegian?) rock group. > From: seamstrix@juno.com > And there's always damask from Damascus. One of the recent volumes of Spektrum der Wissenschaft (German edition of Scientific American; would be in there as well) has given me an interesting idea in this line of associations. In Damascus, they forged the incomparable Damascus steel which was extremely beautiful, hard and durable and in cooling developed a natural pattern of crinkled lines on its surface. A "Damascene pattern". Was the fabric named after the metal? Because with a drawloom and damask patterns, you can create damask-like structures on fabric. I'm not saying that damask wasn't created in Damascus, maybe it was, but my idea is that it is not as chracteristic of Damascus as the steel is, and that maybe the name comes from the metalwork to the fabric, not reverse. Sounds funny that two independent similar- looking technologies should have developed in the same city (though maybe they did). Maybe someone with more knowledge can say more about it. The article was about how to recreate Damascus blades with traces of special elements (Vanadium, I think -- and really TINY traces) added to the alloy that steel is. The extra elements may have come with the special iron ore the Damascus smiths imported from India. Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 21:15:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20219 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:15:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g082k3F13750; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g082jW322614; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:45:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g082fr321610 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:41:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g082gOu02883 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:42:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020107203914.00a423f0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet In-Reply-To: <3C39AB99.78733B4D@faucet.net> References: <87.15902351.296a412b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 20:41:23 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, At 08:07 AM 1/7/2002 -0600, you wrote: >LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > > > if the pile on "silk" velvet is rayon/acetate/poly > > on a silk ground and most mundane rayon velvets have a rayon pile what > > difference would it really make to use the rayon velvet (shiny velvet did > > exist as did shiny silk, high shine like way rad nasty bridal satin) > {outside > > of competitions of course} > >All of the silk velvet I've found (well, silk/rayon velvet) has been FAR >too drapey to successfully use in period applications. For my purposes >(mostly 16th c.), a good-quality synthetic velvet is actually a better >choice. If anyone has a source for 100% silk velvet with some body to >it, I would love to hear! > >Melanie Schuessler Actually, I may have recently stumbled across a possibility... Jack Lenor Larson the textile designer, has done a silk upholstery velvet. There is an exhibition of his work on at the Minneapolis Institute of Art at the moment and there is some of it on the wall. Apparently, the silk velvet is still available through certain fancy decorator types. I have no idea bout the cost but it might be a viable option... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 21:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20286 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0838XF15879; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:08:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0838W329480; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0833g328200 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:03:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2162.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.162]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28951 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:03:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3A6108.F9E38517@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] city names in origins of textile terms References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DBB@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:01:28 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. There is Shantung silk, Crepe de Chine, Surah (from Surat, India, or was that mentioned already?), Damask (I think we got that one, too) from Syria, Muslin from the Muslim countries (mostly Egypt, I suppose), Angora (Ankara?), Calico (Calcutta), Samite (from Samia?), Satin (from Zatun), Osnaburg (from Osnabruck), Dowlas (from Daoulas, in Brittany), Cambric (Cambrai), Holland Cloth (obvious), Sarcanet (from the land of the Saracens), etc. That is besides all of the ones named for their content, like Canvas (cannabis), and the others like Serge de Nimes, named after the place of origin specifically. The list grows....Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 21:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20396 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:45:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083HaF16838; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083HZ302270; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083Cl300883 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPLNKI00.2JG for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:12:18 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Not LOTR (was: Yet another take on LOTR) Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:08:29 -0800 Status: RO I also note that the posts directly before and after these have been about many other (historical) things) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:01 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Not LOTR (was: Yet another take on LOTR) > > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > > > As my first attempt with the Eleanora items went flat-Here are a few > > others. > > > Hopefully there are enough topics there to let people choose. > > Lady G., as you have already pointed out, some people with no interest in > LOTR are deleting those threads. So your Eleanora topic and the others you > posted may not reach the people you're trying to reach, since you posted > them under an LOTR subject line. > > Also, it would be a service to the list in both the short- and long-term > if you would open new threads with individual posts, under separate, > descriptive subject lines. In the short term, you will get much better > response -- I am sure I am not the only person who deletes posts based on > subject line when my reading time is short, and I will miss queries that > are batched under a subject line that relates to a period I don't do. In > the long term, you will gain the gratitude of people who use Eric P.'s > archive, now that it's searchable *only* by subject line and author, not > through a free-text search (a loss I lament). > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:04:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20593 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:04:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083aXF18316; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083aW307782; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:36:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083Xj307056 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.142]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g082gcZ11644 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:42:38 +1100 Message-ID: <059d01c197f5$2e8da120$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <4.1.20020106221442.017e0400@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries - WCs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:33:02 +1100 Status: RO > >what's the earliest common use of an indoor water closet > >anyone can come up with > > Roman > I think the Minoans also had indoor plumbing. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:10:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20624 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:10:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083gYF19006; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:42:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083gX309395; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:42:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g083dw308718 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:39:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30094 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 03:39:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.237.72) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 03:39:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3A6A5D.20F56205@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries, new topics and current projects References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 21:41:17 -0600 Status: RO Parsla Liepa wrote: > > ><< What are 'grave bindings'? >> > ><...> > Some cultures also tied the jaw shut, so that it wouldn't flap open and look > like the person was screaming. It took me a long time to figure out that this is the purpose of the cloth tied around Marley's head (from crown to jaw) in A Christmas Carol, probably because I never read the story--just saw it on the stage or television. In the text it reads: "Though he looked the phantom through and through, and saw it standing before him; though he felt the chilling influence of its death-cold eyes; and marked the very texture of the folded kerchief bound about its head and chin, which wrapper he had not observed before: he was still incredulous, and fought against his senses." and later on: "But how much greater was his horror, when the phantom taking off the bandage round its head, as if it were too warm to wear indoors, its lower jaw dropped down upon its breast!" Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:25:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20673 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:25:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g083vXF20159; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083vW313285; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:57:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083ro312272 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.142]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g0832hZ11893 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:02:44 +1100 Message-ID: <063201c197f7$fd271dc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020107.120027.538.3606@wm7.jersey.juno.com> Subject: Re: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:49:06 +1100 Status: RO Karen, You could try those air-exclusion bags that you attach the vacuum cleaner to to shrink them. I've done it with a few things and they come out OK after a little hanging time. I'd recommend you have a play first just in case your specific fabric doesn't take well to the squishing - or you could always put your everyday clothes into them and leave your Elizabethan clothing uncompressed. Jumpers/Sweaters/padded things shrink down wonderfully in these. I did this when I went interstate with 17th century gear for a friend's mid-winter wedding - shift, 3 petticotes, pair of bodies, bodice, double thickness cape, shoes and various other accessories took 80% of my suitcase - the 3 days of everyday clothes were hardly noticable in their shrink-wrapped state. In Australia we also have travel bags with a one-way valve for when no powered vacuum is available. Don't forget to take an extra suitcase so Teddy doesn't notice his missing fabric ;-) If I remember correctly, Teddy, weren't you complaining recently of having too much fabric in your stash anyway? Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England > Yippeeeee!!! I get the sewing room!!!! > > I am trying to figure out how to pack my Elizabethans in the smallest possible space......but they are still full court Elizabethans!!!!!! > > Karen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jan 7 22:31:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20698 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:31:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0842XF20641; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:02:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0842W314708; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g083t3312639 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:58 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DBF@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:54:48 -0800 Status: RO > Ah, I meant Regency in the broad sense it is sometimes used, > to include > the Empire and Directoire periods (mainly because I'm not sure of > whether those terms are used to describe clothing in English - in > Norwegian we only use Empire to describe the high-waisted > look of these > periods (as far as I know)), but the correct period I'm talking about > would be Directoire. I think. :) Let me see if I can help with the terms... others, please chime in! Generally, the name used would be one suitable for the place & time you are re-creating. No American would ever say "Directoire" and mean the US Federal period. Clearly, Regency refers to England's monarchic arrangement. For me, "Directoire" is more of a political term than a fashion term. There's the approx 8 year time when France redesigned everything from government to the calendar. Basically until about 1805. In fashion, it conjures images of the patriotic post-Revolution Francaise tricolor cockades, the song "Ca Ira", big 1790s skirts "retrousees dans les poches" (pulled out thru the pockets). At the turn of the century, style suddenly slims & becomes Neo-classical. The merveilleuse & macaroni, David's designs for the new Republique's Assemble, gold embroideries on bright colored gowns. The use of paillettes. Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France "Napoleonic". The French call it "Deuxieme Empire" or "Second Empire" (same spelling in French & English) or "Republique". "Regency", for me, denotes dresses almost unvaringly white or "drab" gown, Jane Austen novels, Admiral Nelson, the Patrick O'Brian books and way too many BBC programs to list. The expression denotes English things. "Federal" calls up American images of building after the War of Independance, manifest destiny, the French & Indian War, the sacking of Washington DC by the Brits. At the same time, there's the new territorial exploration (e.g Lewis & Clark who would HARDLY have cared about fashion). Fabrics tend to be more sensible & locally made reflecting new national pride and a postwar rebuilding. Most things were homemade, but the richer, high-fashion sorts in Northeastern cities like Boston, Philidelphia & NY would have had access to fancy foreign fabrics. On the Pacific coast, Alta California was still under Spanish rule and would be until 1821 and the Mexican War of Independance. Americans, Russians, Englishmen and the local indian tribes wandered thru Spanish Calif. Americans included people like Fremont's survey party and Richard Dana author of "Two Years Before the Mast". Using terms like "regency", "federal" or "directoire" to describe Spanish colonial clothing in California would be completely confusing. Annoyingly, different timeframes are described by the term. Art Historians mean terms of style, while political historicans dicker over the de facto & official times when George (soon to be IV) was regent for his father, George III. It's all very inconsistent. So there's a boring English lesson for today. The upshot is, that you're right. "Regency" is a commonly used general term (and therefore confusing) grouping a broader range of arts, cultures, places & styles. > Part of my problem is that the character I'm portraying comes from > Trondheim in Norway, in the year 1800. I don't have any sources as to > the dress of that city at that time. But judging from my sources > from other parts of the country, I've figured that they'd be > a few years behind British and French fashion, What was the time period called in Norway? As you think about your design, you might ask you self these questions: What were the modifications to the French & English styles for *Norwegian* weather? What were locally available goods? How did local artistic taste get incorporated? Were there any local, nationalistic, political or religious statements made in clothing? --cin in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 00:03:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21440 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:03:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g085ZZF28713; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:35:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g085ZX309211; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:35:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g085VT308231 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:31:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-67.frys.com [66.121.20.67]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g085Ter30099 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:29:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <001201c197c8$889983a0$9c55fe3f@ccc> References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:47:01 -0800 Status: RO >figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do >corsets quite yet.);-D Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 00:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21521 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:36:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0868YF01322; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0868W317302; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0865P316437 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:05:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-64.frys.com [66.121.20.64]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0863gr31035 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:03:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020107215805.017a8ed0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <3C37BA13.EAC4266B@studorg.hiof.no> References: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DA7@tko-exch.phoenix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 22:13:02 -0800 Status: RO >However, I'm NOT built like a 12-year old, and I would prefer >not to look like a complete walrus if at all possible. ( My solution is to give the bodice a high waistline, but not to attach the front of the skirt to the body-edge of it. The back of the skirt attaches to the bodice, as usual, but I cheat in front. In front I attach the skirt a couple of inches from the body-edge of the bodice, such that it hangs straight down, and doesn't follow the bulge of my post-childbirth belly. I don't allow the skirt front to go in at the high waist then drape out again over the belly. The / and \ and | below, along the left edge of this post, may give you an idea of what I'm talking about. See if you can imagine a side view of a woman's actual anatomy, and the straight line of a skirt attached where I said it was attached. \ \ | / /| \| | | Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 00:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA21579 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:57:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g086TYF02808; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:29:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g086TW322610; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:29:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g086Qg321930; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:26:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0F3DB30268; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:25:55 -0600 Message-ID: <00f201c1980d$224182c0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] You'll love this Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:24:31 -0500 Status: RO Go see the costumes at this site that does fairytales for children. http://www.animalx.com/DWmain.htm Make sure to click on each section. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 01:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21690 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g087QYF06176; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087QW306011; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087NI305356 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:23:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29355 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:29:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3A9FBC.31F1E93B@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] You'll love this References: <00f201c1980d$224182c0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 23:29:01 -0800 Status: RO To Penny- Oh, thank you for the lovely site. Such beautiful wings and head pieces!!! Some peoples' creativity just blows me away!!! Theesa Eacker Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Go see the costumes at this site that does fairytales for children. > http://www.animalx.com/DWmain.htm Make sure to click on each section. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 02:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03147 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g087tYF07410; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087tW312620; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:55:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g087px311891 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [24.2.37.18] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4F0764002A; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 01:51:12 -0600 Message-ID: <003701c19818$fc7d6d40$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00f201c1980d$224182c0$12250218@chstfld1.va.home.com> <3C3A9FBC.31F1E93B@misc.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] You'll love this X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:49:21 -0500 Status: RO Theesa, We have some new classes that will be coming aboard very soon. One class will be how to make fairy costumes with doing little sewing. The instructor was sharing with me tonight some sites with fairy wings. This site was one of the sites. This is not her work, we were just playing on the web together. I love the lady with the long hair spread all over the wings (AnimalX). The little boy is adorable too. Costume is such a fun industry to work in! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 02:35:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13305 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:35:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0887cF08060; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:07:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0887W315198; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08837314274 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 74619 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jan 2002 08:02:48 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-32.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.32) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 08:02:48 -0000 Message-ID: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:00:55 -0500 Status: RO One more tidbit for Ingrid -- the wool daydress I saw is in a museum collection in Denmark and has the extra-long sleeves I mentioned. There is also a dress in the collection that is knitted -- just like a big, fitted sweater dress. It looks very 1970s but it straight out of 1810s Denmark! Have fun! Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 03:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10530 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:08:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g088eZF09607; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088eW322277; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from aethra.euridium.co.uk (pc-62-31-66-34-ed.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.66.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088Z1321264 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by aethra.euridium.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: From: Madevi Dailly To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:50 -0000 Status: RO > Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France "Napoleonic". The > French call it "Deuxieme Empire" or "Second Empire" (same > spelling in French > & English) or "Republique". Actually, the Second Empire refers to the rule of Napoleon's nephew from 1852 to 1870. In terms of costume styles it corresponds more to what is referred to as the crinoline era. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 03:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22084 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:26:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g088wYF10144; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088wW326027; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088ro325127 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:53:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA25757 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201080911.BAA25757@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] fashion atrocities Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:11:03 -0800 (PST) Status: RO For those of you not up on obscure english holidays, this Monday was Plough Monday. That's the Monday after 12th Night, when groups of dancers would drag a plough along with them as they cadged for food, drink, and money. If a well-to-do household _didn't_ give out, the boys ploughed up their front yard. Or worse yet, the manure pile. Anyway, the longsword dancers made their yearly appearance at the ceili I run. After they took off, our dancers announced that _next_ monday is Plaid Monday. I'm really frightened at what's going to turn up. I'll probably wear some of my heinous Clan MacDude plaid if I can find it...which I of course just did. It's even uglier than I remembered. Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex. I may still be the Bad Plaid champion, but I'm sure the kids will come up with far worse combinations. Clash of the Tartans, anyone? I expect I'll see all those horrible victorian plaids mixed with even worse modern ones. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 03:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22143 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:26:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g088wfF10160; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088wd326063; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:58:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g088tP325433 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:54:44 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DD1@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:55:15 -0800 Status: RO I just checked at www.invalides.org. You are exactly right. --cin > > Unsurprisingly, most people call 1805-1815 in France > "Napoleonic"... > > Actually, the Second Empire refers to the rule of Napoleon's > nephew from > 1852 to 1870. In terms of costume styles it corresponds more > to what is referred to as the crinoline era. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 05:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06016 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:14:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08AkaF14277; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08AkW300270; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:46:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Ahb329579 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTQI7PT6800DB5C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:45:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTQI7K6OM00CCT2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:45:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:52 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR - Galadriel's frock In-reply-to: <200201072213.g07MDTe24018@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6D9FE34482@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:40:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Shea, > We just saw it and I agree with you about the fabric. I know they were > trying to create a light, spiderweb, eternal, nature-like garment, but > it didn't work. But you know, like you, we got caught up in the movie > and overall - it just didn't matter. I was delighted that they were > able to produce this film with so much respect for the books. It was > great! Absolutely. Shame about that one frock, but perhaps I had too-high hopes (elves have always been a favourite of mine...) Teddy (wearer of many an elf-costume) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 05:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06045 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:26:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08AwYF14684; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:58:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08AwW302731; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:58:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08AsP302020 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:54:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTQVRF9UO00AZCA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:56:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTQVQWHMI00EAJF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:56:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:53 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:49 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan In-reply-to: <200201080408.g0848m316376@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6DCEC979DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > OK, the scary thing is, I think I understand what you mean, > although the mental image I originally got was a bit bizarre.;-D I > even have a hoopskirt I wouldn't mind abusing to try to experiment > with this idea. (hey, my neighbors probably already think I'm crazy > anyway. We're still trying to explain the concept of homeschooling > and history being something other than something you sleep through > at school.);-O Thanks, Teddy. Could turn into a great excuse to do > early 17thC for SCA.;-} You're welcome, Moira We will, of course, expect details posted if/when you get it done.... and pictures would be good too. I had some more thoughts about the frame.... if it wasn't fully circular, but had a gap in it, the two ends of the metal-boning could clip on to the two back uprights of the wheelchair (the ones leading up to the handles) If you had a series of them with the highest at waist-height , they should hold the fabric out away from the wheels.... or would those uprights be too far forward to hold the lower hoops (can't recall if the wheels extend farther back than that) The other option for the lower ones is that they completely encircle the chair and the only parrt of it that is visible would be the back and handles (which could be hidden under a long back veil... even provide meaky support for one of those big standing ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?)... Help me out here late-Elizabethan style experts! Teddy (when will they develop the technology to transmit mental-images?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 05:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06074 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 05:32:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08B4YF14986; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:04:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08B4W303817; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:04:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08B1Q303216 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTR4EVQIO00E9OM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:03:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTR4CZK2S00C3SL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:03:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:50 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Queries: silk velvet In-reply-to: <200201080408.g0848m316376@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6DE9C72CF7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g08B1Q303216 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >All of the silk velvet I've found (well, silk/rayon velvet) has been > >FAR too drapey to successfully use in period applications. For my > >purposes (mostly 16th c.), a good-quality synthetic velvet is > >actually a better choice. If anyone has a source for 100% silk > >velvet with some body to it, I would love to hear! > > > >Melanie Schuessler > > Actually, I may have recently stumbled across a possibility... Jack > Lenor Larson the textile designer, has done a silk upholstery velvet. > There is an exhibition of his work on at the Minneapolis Institute of > Art at the moment and there is some of it on the wall. Apparently, > the silk velvet is still available through certain fancy decorator > types. I have no idea bout the cost but it might be a viable > option... > > Cheers, > Danielle The silk mill and museum in Stockholm still makes and sells 100% silk velvet (as well as silk brocades to 15th and other century patterns) but their fabrics are extremely expensive. When I visited there a couple of years ago the cheapest fabric they sold was around £100 a metre and the prices rose steeply from there The velvet was *lovely* - thick piled nad heavy Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 06:18:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06200 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:18:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08BnZF16891; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:49:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08BnW312244; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Bja311537 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 04:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCTSO9MFLS00AZCA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCTSO9467S00E7ZH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:43:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:42:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.168) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:42:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off to England In-reply-to: <200201080408.g0848m316376@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6EA6AA7C7A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:42:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Don't forget to take an extra suitcase so Teddy doesn't notice his > missing fabric ;-) If I remember correctly, Teddy, weren't you > complaining recently of having too much fabric in your stash anyway? > > Glenda. And that problem, at least, has been solved. Through the powers of barter, sale and exchange, I have honed down the fabric stash considerably. Several pieces of velvet and brocade went to some friends who are as poor as very poor things (a couple of them given to me by one them, years ago when she was better off financially) and are now made into new garb for them to wear to my Coronation (I'm looking forward to seeing it) and I've used up my *entire* stock of my favourite cotton damask. I use this particular stuff a lot because it's cheap, comfortable to wear and comes in a wide variety of colours - plus it can be easily machine dyed or re- dyed, so stuff that's not the right shade or that needs "freshening up" after a few years of wear can be made to look new again (I did this recently with a tired-looking orange set of 15th century costume by stripping out the colour and re-dying the hose royal blue, the short houpellande dark forest green and overdying the orange with a sunny yellow to perk it up a bit. Looks like a completely new set. Unfortunately I discovered I was completely out of it when I accidentally tore through the middle of a leg piece when making some hose for a friend and my standard fix (cutting another leg in a different colour of the same fabric and making the hose parti-coloured) wasn't possible because I'd used *all my previously vast stash of it..... Luckily, Tom had one small piece left in his stash what was just the right size to cut a full leg from. Anyhow, the fabric stash is much more managable now... ggod thing too since I bought the end of a bolt of blue cotton brocade (eleven metres) in the sale at John Lewis's on Thursday evening (remember thosecotton/ply mix red drapes with the Tudor-style pattern repeat that I was going for Anne? I bought this 100% cotton fabric with a similar pattern instead) because it was about a third the normal price..... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 10:02:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11769 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:02:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08FYpF04189; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08FYW314132; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu [169.147.166.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08FTR311487 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:29:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:29:18 -0600 Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Tue Jan 08 09:29:15 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:29:17 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g08FTR311487 Subject: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:29:13 -0600 Status: RO > Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I >measure the neck, >the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. When I gather to a >neckline, I >make sure that the back half of the shirt is gathered to the back of the neck >measurement. (Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather >unevenly, with the >majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the >gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? Well, duh -- I should have thought of that ! Yes, it sounds like gathering more tightly in the center would help a lot. Thanks! Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period shirts where you can see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A method that I have found that seems to help with this problem is, when using a shoulder seam, to cut the back shoulder seam 3 - 4 inches wider than the front. This extra fabric is gathered to the center third of the front shoulder when the shoulder seam is stitched. Front and back bodies are still the same width so this means less of the back to be gathered onto the neckband. It also seems to put extra fabric right where it is needed on broad shouldered guys. I learned this about 20 years ago from an SCA handout (Robin, you may remember Robert's shirt articles). Sorry, I don't know the period source. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 10:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11891 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:25:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08FvbF06866; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:57:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08FvX326660; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:57:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08FsY325012 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:54:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.16e.6d8f384 (16781) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.6d8f384.296c7032@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:54:26 EST Status: RO > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment Does this group allow non-disabled lurkers? The topic is one I'm interested in. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 11:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12129 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:01:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08GXbF11525; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:33:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08GXX316612; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:33:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f79.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.79]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08GRw313368 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:27:56 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.16 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:27:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.16] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fashion atrocities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2002 16:27:56.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DC34D10:01C19861] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:27:56 -0500 Status: RO > >For those of you not up on obscure english holidays, this Monday was Plough >Monday. That's the Monday after 12th Night, when groups of dancers would >drag a plough along with them as they cadged for food, drink, and money. >If a well-to-do household _didn't_ give out, the boys ploughed up their >front yard. Or worse yet, the manure pile. > Hmmm.... If my Barony's dance group ever needs a fundraiser..... >Anyway, the longsword dancers made their yearly appearance at the ceili >I run. After they took off, our dancers announced that _next_ monday >is Plaid Monday. I'm really frightened at what's going to turn up. >I'll probably wear some of my heinous Clan MacDude plaid if I can find >it...which I of course just did. It's even uglier than I remembered. >Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex. I may >still be the Bad Plaid champion, but I'm sure the kids will come up >with far worse combinations. Clash of the Tartans, anyone? I expect >I'll see all those horrible victorian plaids mixed with even worse >modern ones. ;} Plaid Monday? I like it! We often do themed practices like this in my Barony. This week has been dubbed "Pet me, spank me" night -- velvet and leather. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 12:52:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12538 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08IMjF27554; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:22:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IMd320201; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:22:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IJA317983 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14137 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Corsets/stays (was Re: wheelchair historicals) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:19:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a > modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't > really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. > > Kayta I think I'd give that advice to just about anybody wearing stays or a corset -- you _don't_ need to tighten it down so much that you're uncomfortable. I don't think most women wore their stays that tight -- most women actually had to work in them, after all. Only the extremely fashionable laced themselves so tightly as to injure themselves. Speaking of stays... I got a copy of "Support and Seduction: A History of Corsets and Bras" by Beatrice Fontanel. Here's my review: Don't bother. It's got a lot of pretty pictures, but they're all thrown in with little regard to what century the author is discussing. For instance, there's a figure from one of the Beuckelaer genre paintings (15th c.) in the middle of a section discussing 18th c. women -- the author specifically claims that middle-class women in the 18th c. didn't wear stays, when there is very good evidence to the contrary. I also find the sensationalistic writing style ("Look at all the horrible, horrible things women did to their bodies! Oh, I'm shocked, shocked!" kind of thing) very distracting. She trots out all the old myths, and does debunk a few of them (mentioning, for instance, that many photos were retouched), but still lets a number of them pass by. If someone were looking for a good book on corsets, Waugh's _Corsets and Crinolines_ is my hands-down favorite. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 13:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12594 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:00:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08IWcF29095; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08IWX326365; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08ISp323682 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:28:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020108182849.XKBC24940.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:28:49 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c3b3a20.654663466@mail.attbi.com> References: <6DCEC979DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6DCEC979DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g08ISp323682 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:28:51 GMT Status: RO On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:51:49 +0000 (GMT), the following was written in this electric book by Teddy : >(when will they develop the technology to transmit mental-images?) Oh, I hope we don't. Some of my firends have the oddest sense of humor. I *don't want* to know what's going on their heads! ;) Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 13:26:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12683 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:26:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08IwEF02643; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:58:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Iw4316464; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Iof309324 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23650 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:06:11 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:06:11 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I learned this about 20 years ago from an SCA handout (Robin, you may > remember Robert's shirt articles). Sorry, I don't know the period > source. Not my period, so I haven't pursued this. I've seen Bob's article, but I don't think I have a copy. Do I remember correctly that he based the patterns on something Arnold published earlier -- the famous "shirts and smocks" article? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 14:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12962 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:22:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08JsbF10157; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08JsW325783; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08JkX321788 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id 6.62.18fe5784 (4242) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:28 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <62.18fe5784.296ca693@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re:fashion atrocities Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:27 EST Status: RO --part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/02 12:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > It's even uglier than I remembered. > Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex. Do you have a scan of this? I used to have a plaid that was simular colors and I loved it. I don't think the fuscia was in there though. I would like to someday find something simular to what I had as it looked good on me. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/8/02 12:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


It's even uglier than I remembered.
Yellow, fuscia, cyan, purple, black, and threads of lurex.  

Do you have a scan of this?  I used to have a plaid that was simular colors and I loved it.  I don't think the fuscia was in there though.  I would like to someday find something simular to what I had as it looked good on me.
Kelly
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--part1_62.18fe5784.296ca693_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 14:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13181 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:57:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08KTcF14585; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KTX314608; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KQt313219 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16O2pc-000FT3-0A for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:26:54 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) In-Reply-To: <20020107220634.16243.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:15:08 +0000 Status: RO Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? JEan In message <20020107220634.16243.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >Well, my interest in historical costume, food & music >tapers off quite sharply after about 1600! (except >for a perverse fascination with making tea sandwiches >-- I am The Dark Queen of Tea Sandwiches) > >Joan Hall >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >--- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> In what period are you interested, wherein bangs >> wouldn't be correct? (or >> have I just read too many Victorian novels?) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 15:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13247 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08KbbF15593; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KbW318972; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:37:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from out003pub.verizon.net (out003pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08KTt314821 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:29:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from default (pool-151-199-133-188.norf.east.verizon.net [151.199.133.188]) by out003pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id g08KTnK23712 Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:29:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020108203039.006f4688@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:30:39 -0500 Status: RO At 09:29 AM 1/8/02 -0600, you wrote: >> Have you tried gathering more compactly at center back? I >>measure the neck, >the back of the neck, and the front of the neck. >When I gather to a >neckline, I >make sure that the back half of the >shirt is gathered to the back of the neck >measurement. >(Otherwise it _really_ twists). I also gather >unevenly, with the >>majority of the material for the back gathered tightly to center back and the >>gathers gradually loosening as they head toward the shoulders. Make sense? > >Well, duh -- I should have thought of that ! Yes, it sounds like >gathering more tightly in the center would help a lot. Thanks! > >Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never >looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period >shirts where you can see it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I can not say for sure regarding the 16th century, having never examined an extant shirt of the period, but that is how it is done in most cases on 18th and early 19th century shirts. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 15:27:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13380 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:27:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08KwxF18364; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:58:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Kws300861; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:58:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08Kom325953 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:50:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020108205051.6300.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:50:51 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Only slightly OT: bangs (the hair kind, you sillies!) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:50:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO ohmigod! you've invented a new tea sandwich: the tea tea sandwich!! --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > > JEan Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 16:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13567 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:14:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08LkiF25304; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08LkQ327370; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:46:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Lbo322408 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:37:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-156.frys.com [66.121.20.156]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g08LaDr19648 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:36:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020108132743.00d0ba80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsets/stays (was Re: wheelchair historicals) In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:41:36 -0800 Status: RO >> Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a >> modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't >> really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. >I think I'd give that advice to just about anybody wearing stays or a >corset -- you _don't_ need to tighten it down so much that you're >uncomfortable. I don't think most women wore their stays that tight -- >most women actually had to work in them, after all. Only the extremely >fashionable laced themselves so tightly as to injure themselves. It's the difference between 'tight' and 'snug'. Not so tight it hurts, interferes with breathing, etc. Snug enough to do the work of a bra, and to take the strain of holding one in the period shape off your dress fabric. When I teach corset-making classes, first I point out my Sweetie's more-than-18" neck, and let them think about that as I mention Jessica Rabbit and discuss the relevant myth*, then I start calling corsets 'period body-shapers'. *Yes, I have seen pictures of women who may actually have 18" waists, but mentioning Jessica Rabbit puts the 18"-waist idea in it's proper perspective. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 17:29:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13910 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08N17F05586; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:01:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08N10311124; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hekili.k12.hi.us (hekili.k12.hi.us [165.248.1.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08N06310641 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from makani by hekili.k12.hi.us (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GPN00E7Y6JWAT@hekili.k12.hi.us> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:59:56 -1000 (HST) From: annora Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wearing 16th Century Shirts In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-X-Sender: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:04:23 -1000 (HST) Status: RO > Anyone know if it was done that way in the 16th century? I've never > looked that closely at the gathering on the back of the few period > shirts where you can see it. In the photos I've seen with enough detail to show it, the gathers are evenly spaced all the way around. annora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14052 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:19:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08Np7F11982; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:51:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Np1308881; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08NoF308464 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.98.169] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 68739819 for h-costume@indra.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:58:15 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "H-costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:56 -0600 Status: RO Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the first place? http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:23:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14064 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:23:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g08Nt6F12383; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g08Nt0311050; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g08Ns6310625 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 20802 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 23:49:00 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082155.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.155) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 23:49:00 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020108175716.009e95d0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shrugs In-Reply-To: <3C38D884.433F44B3@home.com> References: <200201060405.g0645as26713@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:59:01 -0600 Status: RO For those of you interested in this topic, Threads Magazine had a nice article in the Oct/Nov 1999 issue (#85) on sewing shrugs. Couple of cute ones in there if I remember correctly. Wouldn't you know it.. I can't find my copy right now. :-( Sheryl Nance-Durst At 06:06 PM 1/6/02 -0500, you wrote: >As to what to wear them with or why? Basically, any time you could wear a >shawl, you could wear an equivalent "shrug". I've even seen a few >designer type varients... can't remember how long ago... where it >(obviously) wasn't called a shrug, but went over the shoulders, down to >cuffed wrists, and draped >"elegantly" down to near knee length. Last time I saw one, it was >black... I *think* paired with either a grey or silver slim skirted >dress... that was also draped side to side ... sort of bunting >style? (don't know how you describe it... think that short piece in the >front of some of the styles that >were worn on bustled skirts way back when... ... now that I think of it, >the skirt may have resembled that, slim with the drape in front, but only >to mid/upper thigh or so) > >Problem with odd pictoral memories that pop up... you can almost but not >*quite* see what you're remembering... > >-Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14138 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:41:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090D7F14317; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090D1319068; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090CO318824 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:12:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25335 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:56 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:56 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > picture in the first place? > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the British publication was first. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:55:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14178 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:55:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090RPF15786; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090RJ325221; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090Qr324973 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a1.20b93000 (3951) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:26:49 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:26:49 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/8/2002 3:59:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Cynthia_Barnes@phoenix.com writes: << Actually, the Second Empire refers to the rule of Napoleon's > nephew from > 1852 to 1870. In terms of costume styles it corresponds more > to what is referred to as the crinoline era. >> Totally off-topic, but I always thought it was poetic justice that Napoleon III was Napoleon's nephew but Josephine's grandson. (Because Napoleon divorced Josephine because she could not provide him an heir.) Josephine's daughter, Hortense, married one of Napoleon's brothers. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:55:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14184 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:55:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090S6F15850; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090S0325507; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090RW325313 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:27:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0611.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.14.103]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g090RZg296004 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:27:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3B8E33.4C39A708@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (no subject) References: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:26:27 -0600 Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of > the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the > first place? > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/costume2.htm says "1882 Lithographs by Albert Kretschmer". A quick search through the OCLC shows various editions, apparently there was a 1977 reprint in German. Looking at bookfinder there are several origins for sale, but they're well over US$1000.00. I'd suggest contacting the web site owner for a complete citation and ordering it through interlibrary loan. --Charlene -- How can "crash course" and "collision course" have two different meanings? -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14189 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:57:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090T6F15928; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090T0325859; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090SB325577 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.ac.20a41ae8 (3951) for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:28:05 EST Status: RO P.S. There was, of course, functionally no Napoleon II. I suppose that title was reserved for Napoleon's son by Marie Louise, the King of Rome, who never became emperor. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 18:58:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14198 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:58:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090U7F16044; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:30:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090U1326419; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090T8325925 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25449 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:41 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:44:41 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > picture in the first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > British publication was first. (following up my own post) ... Well, duh, yeah, there's a link to the index at the bottom of the page. I didn't see it at first. Yes, that's the book. Not a particularly reliable resource for historic costume, though a very nice one for the study of 19th-century costume scholarship. You can still find it on the occasional open shelf of some university libraries. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 19:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14270 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:17:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g090n7F17854; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g090n0304473; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g090m1303855 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:48:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:48:05 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:48:05 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person has the same problem I do. I understand the concept of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything more complicated than a simple square or circle it somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for Holbein stitch? Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 19:54:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14390 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091Q6F21159; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091Q0318822; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091PX318694 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:24:50 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8DD6@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] city names in origins of textile terms MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:25:19 -0800 Status: RO Jadran-san, Japanese City name textile terms Weaving: Saga nishiki ori - weaving, a tabby brocade form invented by the wife of a feudal lord circa 1820, Edo period, named for the city of Saga (now in Saga prefecture). According to my Japanese textile books, Nishiki means "many beautiful colors together" and can applied to polychrome tabby, twill & satin weaves. According to my Jpn-Eng dictionary, nishiki means "brocade". Nishiki is 3, 5 or 7 colors (numerology & folk magic reasons). Dye: Edo yuzen - paste resist dye form, used in the most expensive formal kimono, furosode and the outer robe worn over all white emsemble worn by the bride at a Shinto wedding. Currently seen in wedding & funeral garments. Edo is the old name for Tokyo. (Saw one at the flea market for $120 last weekend. Multiple thousands of $$$ when new.) Kyo shibori - Very sophisticated tie-die form from Kyoto; the most prized Kyo shibori seems to be Kyo "fawn-spot" shibori. I've seen these mostly at cherry blossom parties, summer festivals, shichi-go-san and other happy semi-formal occasions. Also spotted (pardon the pun) on a maiko in the Gion district of Kyoto one October evening. Kaga yuzen - is another paste resist dye method named for the city of Kaga (now in Kaga prefecture). (There was also a stencil-dye technique name that I've forgotten.) Embroidery: none that I could find. The only one named for a place was named for China. Clothing names: Nagoya obi - a braided tie-on "belt" that complete replaces the obi most people are familiar with. I've never seen one worn, but I havent been to Nagoya either. The books I have are out of print or only available in Japan. You might try _Japanese Textiles: In the Victoria and Albert Museum_, for more info. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 20:19:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14453 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:19:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091q7F23563; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091q1327173; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.wireweb.net ([207.235.90.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091p9326817 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from wireweb.net [64.243.201.217] by smtp.wireweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.04) id A2CB8D0E010A; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:54:19 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> From: Alexandria Doyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PCD_V45 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:58:40 -0600 Status: RO Joan Garner wrote: > > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > Holbein stitch? > There are some patterns that aren't meant to be reversible. They are often nearly so, but not quite. The best thing I could suggest is tracing the pattern on graph paper. Use one color marker, say red, for the out going path, then use another, say blue, for the return. That might help get the feel for it better. I know when I first started blackwork I was working with library books so I was copying by hand the patterns for later reference. I was using one color for the whole motif, unless it was real complicated and required more colors. somewhere during those copying efforts it "click" for me. Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 20:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14457 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:19:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091qCF23599; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091q7327234; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13905.mail.yahoo.com (web13905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g091pQ326926 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:51:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109015131.97230.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.0.223.241] by web13905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:51:31 PST From: Megan McConnell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:51:31 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi Joan In short - yes! Some are too difficult to do. I can get about 90% of blackwork reversable - but it does take a while in "reading" the pattern The best thing I found was to "practice" using a graph paper and black pen and draw the pattern to learn paths. Megan M --- Joan Garner wrote: > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that > person > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how > it > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work > anything > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > Holbein stitch? ===== Megan McConnell ICQ: 57164109 "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. Stoddart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 20:23:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14476 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:23:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g091u6F24268; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091u0328684; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g091tC328437 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.206.136.217] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 36923234 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:55:11 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3BA3D9.9060203@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses References: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:58:49 -0600 Status: RO Ooh, tell us more about that one! I'm always looking for information on knitted items, particularly something like a dress - you don't see many of them (at least *I* don't). Karen Jennie Chancey wrote: >One more tidbit for Ingrid -- the wool daydress I saw is in a museum >collection in Denmark and has the extra-long sleeves I mentioned. There is >also a dress in the collection that is knitted -- just like a big, fitted >sweater dress. It looks very 1970s but it straight out of 1810s Denmark! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 21:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14742 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:33:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0935aF00289; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:05:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09351319400; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0934E319171 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPN00F3VHV6SV@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-reply-to: <16e.6d8f384.296c7032@aol.com> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020108220250.00dea590@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:04:11 -0500 Status: RO At 1/8/2002 10:54 AM, you wrote: > > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment > >Does this group allow non-disabled lurkers? The topic is one I'm >interested in. >Leah Well, I'm on it, and I'm not disabled. so I guess you can lurk also. 8-) Kat _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 21:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14758 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:37:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0939SF00637; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0939M320626; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0936W319789 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay1.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPNHZ000.0L5 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:06:36 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:03:03 -0800 Status: RO According to the main page, they are: 1882 Lithographs by Albert Kretschmer Painter and Costumer to the Royal Court Theatre, Berlin > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:28 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > picture in the first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > British publication was first. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 21:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14780 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:41:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g093DnF00963; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g093Dh321851; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0939A320564 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPNI3900.VJJ for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:09:09 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020109015131.97230.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:05:37 -0800 Status: RO Some really great blackwork patterns, including double-running, and information is at http://www.blackworkarchives.com/ The designer is my webmistress and best pal, Paula Kate Marmor. :-) MaggiRos > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Megan McConnell > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:52 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" > > > Hi Joan > > In short - yes! Some are too difficult to do. > > I can get about 90% of blackwork reversable - but it > does take a while in "reading" the pattern > > The best thing I found was to "practice" using a graph > paper and black pen and draw the pattern to learn > paths. > > Megan M > --- Joan Garner > wrote: > > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that > > person > > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how > > it > > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work > > anything > > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > > Holbein stitch? > > > ===== > Megan McConnell > ICQ: 57164109 > > "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." > I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. Stoddart > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 22:37:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15015 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:37:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0949TF06278; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0949M308545; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:09:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g093xc305621 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OiGg5UAIOOuWHvMGChXG/n0="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQPDF6RB; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:59:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Message-ID: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-7,12-13,18-21,23-44 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:20:55 +0000 Status: RO Greetings Joan. Not all blackwork patterns are reversible. A *lot* are, but not all. I teach an Ithra class in basic blackwork that teaches some simple reversible patterns and comes with color graphs I made so you can see the stitches easily. Would you like me to send you a copy? It might help. What are you using for a ground fiber? If you're on linen, it could be that it's too hard for you to see and your stitching is going off accordingly. I can't see linen *at all* owing to a wierdness in my vision, but am fine on 22 ct hardanger. Aida (12 count--any bigger and it starts looking nasty) works fine also for practice. Graphing, as others have suggested, can be very helpful in understanding how a pattern works. It can also help to study a pattern and get a sense of its stitch count base. There's a wonderful star, diamond and box pattern which is based entirely on 2 stitches per direction, for instance. Arlys On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:48:05 -0800 (PST) Joan Garner writes: > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > Holbein stitch? > > Joan Hall > "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" > "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 23:01:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15129 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:01:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g094XTF08640; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:33:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g094XN315664; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g094LQ312161 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-151.frys.com [66.121.20.151]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g094Jor30775 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:19:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020108200515.01785220@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Gothic Sculputer In-Reply-To: <3C3488D0.7198C133@tds.net> References: <3C33DBCE.B9A72FE2@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:06:36 -0800 Status: RO Yes. My guess is that it is fullness caused by a cone-shaped garment, and not by a cylindrical one just pleated under the arms. I think the 'pleats' are the tops of fullness which gets wider at the hem, as a cone would do. >Do you think this is the construction of the garment?? > >Katie > >Melanie Schuessler wrote: >> >> Greetings to all >> >> Having returned from a long hiatus during which I missed you all >> immensely, I of course immediately have a question. There may be a >> simple answer, and if so, I'm sure someone on this list will have it. >> >> On the January page of the 2002 Medieval Woman calendar, please consider >> the lady to the right (the one in the turban). Examine, if you will, >> the red laces at center front of her bodice. One can see that the >> bottom two seem to pass through the dark dots which might be interpreted >> as lacing holes. This makes sense to me as a single spiral lace holding >> the dress together. The top four, however, seem to lay horizontally >> without passing through the dark dots and without the necessary >> connecting diagonal of a spiral lace. >> >> Similarly, the lady on the left has numerous horizontal bars (and no >> diagonals) center front. Because of the gathered nature of her >> overgarment (and the lack of diagonals), these wouldn't seem to be >> laces--unless they're laces on the undergarment instead (which still >> doesn't explain the lack of diagonals!). For a similar phenomenon, go >> to >> http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/b/botticel/portrait/index.html >> and click on "Portrait of a Young Woman" (the second one). >> >> What is happening here? Are these just decorative? Here for >> example--go to >> http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/v/veronese/z_other/ >> and click on "Portrait of a Venetian Woman"--they look pretty vestigial, >> but that's much later. >> >> I was just going to put up my new calendar, and look how much trouble I >> got into! Many thanks for any enlightenment that you can offer. >> >> Melanie Schuessler >> >> p.s. to Robin Netherton: Check out February for a 16th century Flemish >> Sybil in a sideless surcoat-esque garment. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 23:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15259 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:29:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0951jF10951; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:01:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0951c323783; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20808.mail.yahoo.com (web20808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.197]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g094eQ317800 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:40:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109044031.49638.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.34.73.189] by web20808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:40:31 PST From: Margaret Farrow To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:40:31 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Joan, One of the tricks I use for complicated blackwork paterns, is to use shorter threads than I do with more simple patterns. I start the first thread, stitch the design in one direction until I run out of thread, then start the second thread, stitching in the missing "links." I doubt this isn't period, but if I do it right, the pattern is still reversable. Margaret (Out of hiding) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jan 8 23:46:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15319 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:46:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g095IqF12243; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:18:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g095Ij329185; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g094je319237 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.145.254.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.145.254] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OAcT-0000rM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:45:45 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3BCB27.2A8EF38E@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wearing 16th century shirts References: <2.2.32.20020108203039.006f4688@mail.verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:46:31 -0600 Status: RO Ron Carnegie wrote: > > > I can not say for sure regarding the 16th century, having never > examined an extant shirt of the period, but that is how it is done in most > cases on 18th and early 19th century shirts. That's certainly where I got the idea. ;> A couple of the shirts of which I have pictures seem to be slightly balanced towards front or back, but without seeing the shirts myself, I have to say that I simply don't know and it could very easily be wishful thinking. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jan 9 15:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03459 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:15:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g09KljF26845; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09KlW309852; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09K8F318069 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.116]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020109200822.MXWH14468.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:08:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3CA2C7.1010708@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Mr. Dolan's site (used to be "no subject") Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:06:31 -0600 Status: RO I am not sure which thumbnail in particular you wanted a closer look at but if you remove the "/thmb6.htm" from the URL it will give you the directory of his costume folder. There listed as "costmX.jpg" (X being the page number" are the larger versions of the thumbnails. Katie Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of > the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the > first place? > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Thanks! > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > > So many books, so little time > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27612 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:06:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8chF00367; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8cHt13616; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g095YA303614 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m111.in-tch.com [216.166.191.111]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g095N0n11913 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:23:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3BD754.2080A112@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:38:28 -0700 Status: RO I always graph it out first, as Alexandria has recommended, but then my friends say that I'm that kind of person With particularly complicated patterns, I'll also sometimes work it out on a piece of "big" Aida cloth (11 ct. or 14 ct. or something), using differently-colored floss for the different passes back and forth. I use the colors in the order of the color spectrum: red-orange-yellow-green-blue-indigo-violet or, as my brother the engineer puts it "Roy G Biv." This lets me know that I need to do the red line first, then the orange, etc.....and is relatively easy to remember. --Sue, certifiably blackwork-obsessed ;-) Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > Joan Garner wrote: > > > > Someone mentioned this lately, and I think that person > > has the same problem I do. I understand the concept > > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it > > is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything > > more complicated than a simple square or circle it > > somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. > > Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > > Holbein stitch? > > > > There are some patterns that aren't meant to be reversible. They are > often nearly so, but not quite. > > The best thing I could suggest is tracing the pattern on graph paper. > Use one color marker, say red, for the out going path, then use another, > say blue, for the return. That might help get the feel for it better. I > know when I first started blackwork I was working with library books so > I was copying by hand the patterns for later reference. I was using one > color for the whole motif, unless it was real complicated and required > more colors. somewhere during those copying efforts it "click" for me. > Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30029 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8gWF00556; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8gSt14615; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g095ki306951 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:46:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtm9e.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.217.46]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16OBZY-0004Jv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:46:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> References: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> <3C3BA3D0.E85349DC@wireweb.net> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:32:24 -0800 Status: RO At 7:58 PM -0600 1/8/02, Alexandria Doyle wrote: >Joan Garner wrote: > > I understand the concept > > of Holbein stitch. Intellectually I understand how it >> is *supposed* to work, but when I try to work anything >> more complicated than a simple square or circle it >> somehow gets all weird & isn't reversible any more. >> Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for > > Holbein stitch? > >There are some patterns that aren't meant to be reversible. They are >often nearly so, but not quite. Also, any pattern that has detached parts -- a star in the middle of a square that isn't connected to the frame anywhere, for instance -- cannot be completely reversible, unless you want to go to the immense amount of trouble of starting and ending the thread for each star. BTW, I assume you are aware that by no means was "all" period blackwork reversible. This seems to be a more modern "neatness obsession" though of course it's often a fun challenge. Also, not all period work that looks like double-running actually is -- some of it's worked in backstitch. An experienced eye can tell the difference by the way it pulls on the fabric, but the difference is subtle. >The best thing I could suggest is tracing the pattern on graph paper. >Use one color marker, say red, for the out going path, then use another, >say blue, for the return. That might help get the feel for it better. I >know when I first started blackwork I was working with library books so >I was copying by hand the patterns for later reference. I was using one >color for the whole motif, unless it was real complicated and required >more colors. somewhere during those copying efforts it "click" for me. The most recent introductory blackwork class I taught, I had students actually stitch some examples this way, with two different colors of thread. It did seem to help. A lot of people do seem to have trouble getting the idea of double-running stitch -- it depends on one's personal learning style. If illustrations and instructions don't do it for you, try to find someone who will sit down with you and show you. And who then will watch helpfully while you try it, saying, "Yup. Uh-huh. Yes, the needle goes in right there. Exactly! Mm-hmmm. Yup. See, you're doing it!" Cheerleading is half the function of a good teacher! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32607 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:13:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8kLF00770; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8kHt15464; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g096Wa318574 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:32:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0232.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.12.232]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g096Wfg326492 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 01:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3BE3E1.F1400EF8@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 00:32:01 -0600 Status: RO Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Not all blackwork patterns are reversible. A *lot* are, but not all. And some are reversible, but the pattern on each side is different. I've got some (modern) towel band patterns like that. --Charlene -- How can "crash course" and "collision course" have two different meanings? -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01711 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8q1F01205; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8pwt16715; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:51:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09A5u304634 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 03:05:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-63.frys.com [66.121.20.63]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g09A4Br06150 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:04:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020109014146.00d0b1f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" In-Reply-To: <20020109004805.32288.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 01:50:14 -0800 Status: RO >Are some blackwork patterns just too complicated for >Holbein stitch? Some are not topologically possible, as in they can't be done with one thread using the same path both ways (= they're not reversible), but none are 'too complicated'. It's just that some people, like me, are not up to the really tricky ones. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01745 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8q8F01221; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8q4t16760; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01c.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.233]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g09BXg305201 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19299 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2002 11:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Jan 2002 11:33:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c19901$9c74c580$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: "Jennifer Sena" , References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: scraps Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 06:34:33 -0500 Status: RO OH, I love those 50% coupons, although I worry if the company is doing so badly that they might go out of business. This is the first time that they have let me run this course, and that was basically because I set it up with the special ed people. Their kids were being cut out of the basic art course, and Fashion Design & Textiles can count toward that. But budget, no. SO we'll see if any of them can actually afford anything to make a jacket, or if I have to finance that. But as they couldn't tell me what any of those "recommended fabrics" were, not even polar fleece, I did convince them to let me go as an absolutely necessary part of the course. The fact that I did a mid-life career change, and financed college by being a school bus driver, means that I can drive the kids without their having to pay for a driver. I don't care, I get to go on a school day! > OH...for a job like that!! Now if they would just pay for your fabrics too, > huh? I'm so jazzed to be able to help in even this small way to further the > cause of continued home sewing. > > Well, good luck and don't forget to tell the kids that if they sign up for > the mailing list there they get 50% off coupons every other month or so and > it makes a big difference in the cost of garment. :) > > Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01769 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qBF01242; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8q7t16778; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09Bal305849 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:36:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCV6N6RFJK00BLIP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:38:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCV6MSIJGA00E8R0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:38:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:33:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:32:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.105) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:32:29 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan In-reply-to: <200201081826.g08IQq322612@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <867D5E6BDC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:32:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > even provide meaky support for one of those big standing > ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?). My typos are getting worse! I meant to type *sneaky* support, not meaky (whatever that means) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01783 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qEF01260; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8qAt16806; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09Be8306682 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:40:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCV6RXNN7K00DLIO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCV6RWP5VI00E8R0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:37:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:36:49 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.105) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:36:45 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan In-reply-to: <200201081911.g08JBc319909@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <868F4E2F15@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:36:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >(when will they develop the technology to transmit mental-images?) > > Oh, I hope we don't. Some of my firends have the oddest sense of > humor. I *don't want* to know what's going on their heads! Good point!!!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01807 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qIF01281; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8qEt16835; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09BgC307166 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCV6UE2SM800DLIO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:44:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCV6UDLQJ800CWAE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:44:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:39 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.105) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) In-reply-to: <200201090153.g091rC327798@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:39:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? UGH! Jean!! That's a horrible thought to inflict on my poor addled brain! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01821 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:19:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A8qLF01299; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8qIt16865; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g09C2Y311617 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:02:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020109120241.2160.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.30.108] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:02:41 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:02:41 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Cynthia J Ley wrote: > I teach an Ithra class in basic blackwork that > teaches some simple > reversible patterns and comes with color graphs I > made so you can see the > stitches easily. Would you like me to send you a > copy? It might help. Yes, please! email or snailmail? > What are you using for a ground fiber? If you're on > linen, it could be > that it's too hard for you to see and your stitching > is going off > accordingly. I've been working with 32-count linen and somehow my eyes aren't quite as sharp at 55 as they were in my 20's! The hardanger fabric sounds easier to work with, but the linen incorporates itself into a garment much better. If I can just make myself a pair of linen shirtcuffs before I'm too *%&%! old to see the fabric...[sigh]... Joan Hall "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:35:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14191 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:35:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A98OF02441; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:08:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A98Kt20609; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09LlE313860 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:47:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.151.701f11b (4197); Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu, SCA-Laurels@ansteorra.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Subject: [h-cost] 12th-century garb Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:47:12 EST Status: RO Hello to the list. In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. I thank you all with great gratitude. Mistress Ingvild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15104 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A997F02504; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A993t20864; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A971t20217 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0A95Lr01329 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:05:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110010827.017838f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" In-Reply-To: <20020109120241.2160.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:12:11 -0800 Status: RO >> What are you using for a ground fiber? If you're on >> linen, it could be >> that it's too hard for you to see and your stitching >> is going off >> accordingly. > >I've been working with 32-count linen and somehow my >eyes aren't quite as sharp at 55 as they were in my >20's! The hardanger fabric sounds easier to work >with, but the linen incorporates itself into a garment >much better. If I can just make myself a pair of >linen shirtcuffs before I'm too *%&%! old to see the >fabric...[sigh]... What about doing the blackwork using waste canvas, and counting 'threads' on that? I have a shirt in the works where I'm not sure these nearsighted eyes can even see the threads in the fabric (I'd go the rest of the way blind if I tried). So I'm planning to use waste canvas in a reasonable size, then pulling it out after the stitches are in. It should be a good combination of the fabric the wearer wants and the stitches the embroiderer wants. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:36:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15387 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:36:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A99OF02626; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A99Kt21042; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09Mlat04669 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:47:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.98.169] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 69217183 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:40:33 -0500 Message-ID: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:32:16 -0600 Status: RO I was trying to find some good places for my brother to see some possibilities of Elizabethan-ish men's wear, so he can pick out something that he wants for this year's Faire. This was one of the pages I found, and it's close enough that I can probably get a fair idea of what he wants, I just would like a bit closer look, particularly at #62. Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? PS. Sorry about the "no subject" line - I'm just getting the hang of Outlook. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > picture in the first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > British publication was first. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:37:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15808 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:37:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9A4F02717; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9A1t21263; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09IPN325246 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:25:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.100] (as3-4-114.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.100]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g09IPUD28975 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:25:31 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020109044031.49638.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020109044031.49638.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:28:54 -0800 Status: RO I don't know that this will work for everyone, but here's my method. First: if all the parts of a blackwork pattern touch each other in some way, it can be made reversible ("can", not "must" or "will"); if any parts of the design are separated from other parts and don't touch, it _can't_ be made exactly reversible. (It may be possible to stitch it such that the reverse is an equally pleasing pattern, but it will not be exactly the same pattern.) A slight modification of this rule is that if you have a band pattern that involves more than one separate bands that don't touch (e.g., a broad central band with narrower "racing stripes"), then if you work each band as a separate project, they can all be made reversible. Any potentially reversible design can be visualized as a "branching tree" structure -- that is, a single main path with numerous branches coming off of it (which may themselves have branches), but where each branch has an end rather than coming back into the pattern. To visualize this, you may have to visualize "breaks" in the line at points were the line actually continues (e.g., a "lollipop" shape must be "broken" where one side of the loop meets the stem and becomes a single, unbranching line). When you work the design, pick one path that continues along your entire design as your "main" path (if it's a band with straight edges, then one edge works nicely for this) and run a single line of your running stitch along this path. Start to return, but every time you hit a branch off this main path, go off and work it until it is entirely done before you return to the main path. This explanation works better if I can doodle while giving it, but I don't trust the stability of ascii art enough to try here. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16041 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:37:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9ANF02827; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9AJt21405; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09MIH301014 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.116]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020109221825.WYGW27302.chruser@tds.net> for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:18:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3CC177.4A0AFB08@tds.net> From: Katie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-{C-UDP; TDSNET} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Mr. Dolan's site & book recomendations.. References: <002101c1989f$2d6c9f80$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3C3CA2C7.1010708@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:17:27 -0600 Status: RO Correction.....Some larger pics, of course the ones I want to take a peek at are only 9k...*grumbles* Okay guys and gals I am going to start my "library" any one have a suggestion for a couple of good "starter" books?? Katie Katie wrote: > > I am not sure which thumbnail in particular you wanted a closer look at > but if you remove the "/thmb6.htm" from the URL it will give you the > directory of his costume folder. There listed as "costmX.jpg" (X being > the page number" are the larger versions of the thumbnails. > > Katie > > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer picture of > > the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this picture in the > > first place? > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > > > Thanks! > > ********************** > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > > Bristol, > > BRF FOF > > > > So many books, so little time > > > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > > ********************** > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16292 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:38:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9AhF02852; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9Adt21548; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20304.mail.yahoo.com (web20304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0A04bt13953 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:04:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:04:36 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:04:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my barbette and veil! Iohanna the Harper (mka Joan Hall) "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16418 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:38:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9ApF02872; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9Alt21575; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13508.mail.yahoo.com (web13508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0A0gct28898 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:42:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110004239.37147.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web13508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:42:39 PST From: Sheila To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200201090153.g091r3327760@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 1510 Mens Florentine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:42:39 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Does anyone have a reference of what the bottom-half of this outfit might have looked like? http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/objects/oz792.html Sheila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 03:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16573 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 03:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0A9AxF02891; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A9Att21623; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:10:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A0lHt00476 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:47:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17314 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p6.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.134]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA10877 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:47:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201100047.TAA10877@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:42:45 -0500 Status: RO Hey, folks, I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop about 20 miles from Hanover, PA last summer. The woman running the shop had no idea about their history. I haven't asked anyone about them because I hadn't gotten around to taking pics yet... but I got a digital camera recently, so here are the pics: http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/clogs1.JPG http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/clogs2.JPG http://www47.pair.com/lindo/Temp/clogsdetail.JPG In the last shot, you can see how the leather is held onto the wood: there's a channel in the wood just under the sole edge, and a piece of wire is 'stapled' into the channel using smaller pieces of wire as staples. They are definitely handmade. I'd say from the size of these that they are men's -- or a very large woman's. Given that these are from rural PA (mid-state), my own guess about them is that they've got German roots. Does anyone know whether/if such clogs were worn in the 18th c. by German immigrants and their descendants? I've seen enough "wooden shoes" in antique shops brought back from Europe as tourist items that I'm a bit cautious, but it seems plausible that these are a genuine holdover. I am going to ask around a bit more about them, now that I actually have some pictures taken . But -- thoughts, folks? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 05:55:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28809 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:55:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ABS5F07722; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:28:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ABS0t02870; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ABRMt02750 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:27:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6209C3A8E5C for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007001c199d2$3415a460$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <867D5E6BDC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:27:43 -0600 Status: RO (sighs in relief) I was almost afraid to ask what "meaky" support might be! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan > > even provide meaky support for one of those big standing > > ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?). > > My typos are getting worse! > > I meant to type *sneaky* support, not meaky (whatever that means) > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 07:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29228 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:27:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ACxcF11490; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:59:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ACxWt21651; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ACuZt21042 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:56:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EE5811F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:56:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3D8F82.ADB2EB18@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:56:34 -0500 Status: RO > > Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men > (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? > > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > Are you looking for period examples or would you be intrested in pictures of recreations? Here are some pics of my husband in his middle class Elizabethan clothes. http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0039a.jpg http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0001257.jpg http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0079.jpg http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0000887.jpg Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 08:49:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29804 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:49:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AEM7F16980; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEM1t12554; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AELLt12392 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:21:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110142122.49952.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.109.48] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:21:22 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020110010827.017838f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:21:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > What about doing the blackwork using waste canvas, > and counting 'threads' > on that? I don't know why I didn't think of that - I have waste canvas in 3 sizes somewhere - [still haven't done my traditional January 1st organization of needlework supplies]. I guess maybe in some twisted corner of my small brontosaurus brain I thought it was somehow "cheating" and all the other embroiderers would laugh at me! :-) Thanks for making sense! I'm going to cut out my cuffs tonight. I'm going to try to find a blackwork pattern that's as close as I can get to my state flower, the California Poppy. Iohanna the Harper [m.k.a. Joan Hall] "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 08:52:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29820 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:52:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AEP5F17229; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEP0t13472; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AEOLt13227 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:24:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0AEDBn15001 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:13:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3DA43E.7E40001D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" References: <20020108.195800.-140121.2.Cley@juno.com> <4.1.20020110010827.017838f0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:25:02 -0700 Status: RO Waste canvas actually works pretty good (I've done it, and it worked for me, at least ). The only thing I can caution about, is watching the tension of your embroidery. When you remove the waste canvas, the embroidery threads tend to sit a little loosely on the fabric, as they no longer have the canvas threads between them and the ground fabric. Oh, and make sure you don't pierce any of the waste canvas threads with your embroidery--it makes it a real pain in the @ss to get out (experienced based ;-) --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > What about doing the blackwork using waste canvas, and counting 'threads' > on that? I have a shirt in the works where I'm not sure these nearsighted > eyes can even see the threads in the fabric (I'd go the rest of the way > blind if I tried). So I'm planning to use waste canvas in a reasonable > size, then pulling it out after the stitches are in. It should be a good > combination of the fabric the wearer wants and the stitches the embroiderer > wants. > > Kayta > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 09:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18581 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:37:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AFA6F20675; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:10:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFA0t01962; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net ([64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AF9Wt01746 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201100904.AA1626931422@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Cynthia Bucheger" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:04:07 -0600 Status: RO > >I've been working with 32-count linen and somehow my >eyes aren't quite as sharp at 55 as they were in my >20's! The hardanger fabric sounds easier to work >with, but the linen incorporates itself into a garment >much better. If I can just make myself a pair of >linen shirtcuffs before I'm too *%&%! old to see the >fabric...[sigh]... > > May I suggest reading glasses, at the highest magification you can find will help greatly. I found working blackwork under one of those lights with a lens let me work a lot fast than I could without it. So I looked for and found reading glasses that help when I'm at work with great lighting during lunch to work without the eye strain. And yes, if someone brings me something to read, I have to take the glasses off to read it. :) Alexandria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 10:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18661 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:06:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AFd6F23363; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:39:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFd0t14313; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AFcOt14090 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:38:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020110153823.EQTE10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38:23 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c47b14c.816243315@mail.attbi.com> References: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0AFcOt14090 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:38:31 GMT Status: RO On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:04:36 -0800 (PST), the following was written in this electric book by Joan Garner : > >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my >barbette and veil! Well, I'm not sure that I have *any* good news for you. :( (for coherency's sake, I mean mid-12th century, since that's what most people mean by '12th century') I haven't found any period references or depictions of braid cases. I'm beginnning to suspect that they may have been a conflation of the wrapped-braid style seen in the 12th century and the actual article (decorative braid casings) worn in Italy a couple of centuries later. I have been researching this era like mad, and the only (as in single, and tiny) depiction that I have seen that *might* depict something entirely covering a braid in the 12th century seems to be a clumsy, smallscale representation of the ribbon-braiding technique (or actual close wrappings -it's not clear enough to tell). They certainly aren't covered by a coherent or even decorated covering, and the woman so depicted is probably a servant. I also have not seen any evidence for the barbette as a defined, highlighted, fashion accessory this early. They seem to be clearly an item of 13th century dress. There *may* be linen bands to which veils are pinned, but they are either obscured or left out of the images entorely. I choose to use linen bands for convenience, since I don't like my veil flying away, though I am aware of their possible incorrectness. If you like, use a much narrower band under the chin, so it is not as obvious as a barbette - mine is about 1" wide. The difference in width should be enough to prevent people misdating your clothing by its accessories. If you want to use braid cases, go ahead, but I thought that I should let you know my disappointing findings, should you be interested. I was really hoping they would work for me too, since my hair is only about half as long as it needs to be to do Big Fancy Court Braids, and my only other solution is false hair (which is hard to match in a carrot-red!). Since I'm fussy, I do the false hair anyway. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 10:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18741 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:31:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AG46F26607; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:04:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AG40t25238; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AG3Kt24946 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:03:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g0AG3OZ136541 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:24 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:03:23 -0600 (CST) Status: RO > > Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? Oddly enough, I had a similar thought, only I was thinking cold, squishy and bitter--tea after it had been used. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19696 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:17:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIo8F19774; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIo1t27783; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AInYt27483 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16OkGg-000CU8-0K; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:49:38 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? In-Reply-To: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:47:58 +0000 Status: RO Did someone say you had to? You certainly want to keep your veil, and I think the barbette should be OK - just remember, the braids come from behind it, don't try to get them in front (or you'll look very odd indeed). Jean In message <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my >barbette and veil! > >Iohanna the Harper >(mka Joan Hall) >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:18:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19700 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:18:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIokF19843; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIodt28150; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AInct27532 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16OkGg-000CU8-0K; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:49:38 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: costume list From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? In-Reply-To: <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:47:58 +0000 Status: RO Did someone say you had to? You certainly want to keep your veil, and I think the barbette should be OK - just remember, the braids come from behind it, don't try to get them in front (or you'll look very odd indeed). Jean In message <20020110000437.22889.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>, Joan Garner writes >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up my >barbette and veil! > >Iohanna the Harper >(mka Joan Hall) >"If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" >"Hey, you! Are you a servant?" > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19704 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:18:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIp6F19891; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIp0t28359; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIoGt27930 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:50:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16OkHM-000CYW-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:50:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) In-Reply-To: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:49:03 +0000 Status: RO > > >> Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > >UGH! > >Jean!! That's a horrible thought to inflict on my poor addled brain! > >Teddy Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. JEan >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19729 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:22:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIt7F20329; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIt1t00708; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIsPt00376 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16OkLK-000COO-0W; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:54:26 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu, SCA-Laurels@ansteorra.org From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb In-Reply-To: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:52:49 +0000 Status: RO I'm not sure how much it has specifically from Germany and Italy, but this book has the most pictures of costume I've found for 12th century, especially of women : Romanesque Art - Andreas Petzold. George Weidenfeld and Nicolson Ltd 1995 ISBN - 0297833642 Jean In message <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com>, SNSpies@aol.com writes >Hello to the list. > >In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th >century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To >that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, >manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. > >I thank you all with great gratitude. > >Mistress Ingvild >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 13:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19735 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AIu6F20439; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:56:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AIu0t01407; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20309.mail.yahoo.com (web20309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AItgt01208 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:55:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110185545.71771.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:45 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:55:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Oh my gosh - sorry! I assumed everyone was joking!! Tea sandwiches [at least here in the U.S.] are little fancy-shmancy finger sandwiches served with afternoon tea. Iohanna the Harper (m.k.a. Joan Hall) "If my home is my castle, where are the servants?" "Hey, you! Are you a servant?" --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > > > > > >> Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > > > >UGH! > > > >Jean!! That's a horrible thought to inflict on my > poor addled brain! > > > >Teddy > > Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't > know what a tea > sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of > sandwich, I mean. > > JEan > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:18:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20437 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:18:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AJoJF28127; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AJo0t00215; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu [169.147.166.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AJnVt29879 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:49:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:35 -0600 Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Jan 10 13:49:32 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:34 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0AJnVt29879 Subject: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:49:23 -0600 Status: RO Hey, folks, I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop ........ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These look very much like clogs some friends of ours brought back from Sweden in the mid 1980's, leather is attached in almost the exactly same way. The primary difference is that the 80's clogs have a ribbed hard rubber sole attached to the bottom of the wood. This sole makes them very skid resistant and I have been using a pair on muddy days at faire for years, they wear well and are pretty comfortable with a pair of heavy socks. Looks like this style has been in use for a long time, at least in parts of northern Europe. Hope this helps. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20465 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AJu7F28969; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AJu1t03456; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu [169.147.166.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AJsGt02628 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:54:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by kumc-gwia2-out.kumc.edu; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:54:20 -0600 Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Jan 10 13:54:18 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:54:20 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0AJsGt02628 Subject: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:54:14 -0600 Status: RO I've tried wastecanvas w/ blackwork too and you really have to pay attention to the tension as Sue suggested or you can get very saggy lines once the waste canvas is removed. Some of this disappears with washing but not all. I also had a little bit of a problem with very fine silk thread snagging on the WC. I think Hedgehog Handworks carrys WC in high thread counts. My eyesight is going too, part of the reason I switched to freestyle blackwork :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:31:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20505 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AK27F29722; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AK21t06709; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AK0Gt05821 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.4a.4bdf00f (18403) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches (WAS: Only slightly OT: bangs) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:00:11 EST Status: RO --part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, children listen to mamma Lalah. Tea sandwiches are the same as regular sandwiches except they are made with the crusts cut off and then cut in little triangles or squares or rectangles. Some really classy ones are cut with fancy cutters and can look like little flowers or circles or stars. They are usually dressed up with something on top -- depending on what is inside. A tea sandwich with deviled ham or a slice of meat of some sort may have an olive stuck in the top with a toothpick with ruffles on it (or a plain toothpick if that is the best you can do). Another may have a dab of cheese swirled on top. You should have the idea by now. The very best Tea sandwiches (to me) are the ones made with cream cheese as a base. You can add chopped olives, nuts, pineapple, or all manner of good stuff. There is no end of what you can put in a tea sandwich and lots of ways of cutting them in dainty finger size bites. Sometimes you can stack white bread, wheat bread white bread, wheat bread and cut them narrow so that you have layers, but that requires something that is sticky enough to hold it together. Brown bread with cream cheese is good too. Teddy, for shame, you should know that tea sandwiches are to be served with tea at tea time, not made from tea leaves. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      OK, children listen to mamma Lalah.  Tea sandwiches are the same as regular sandwiches except they are made with the crusts cut off and then cut in little triangles or squares or rectangles.  Some really classy ones are cut with fancy cutters and can look like little flowers or circles or stars.  They are usually dressed up with something on top -- depending on what is inside.  A tea sandwich with deviled ham or a slice of meat of some sort may have an olive stuck in the top with a toothpick with ruffles on it (or a plain toothpick if that is the best you can do).  Another may have a dab of cheese swirled on top.  You should have the idea by now.  The very best Tea sandwiches (to me) are the ones made with cream cheese as a base.  You can add chopped olives, nuts, pineapple, or all manner of good stuff.  There is no end of what you can put in a tea sand! wich and lots of ways of cutting them in dainty finger size bites.  Sometimes you can stack white bread, wheat bread white bread, wheat bread and cut them narrow so that you have layers, but that requires something that is sticky enough to hold it together.  Brown bread with cream cheese is good too.

      Teddy, for shame, you should know that tea sandwiches are to be served with tea at tea time, not made from tea leaves.

Lalah
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--part1_4a.4bdf00f.296f4ccb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24637 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AKQ7F03010; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AKQ0t19889; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AKO4t18796 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 802 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2002 20:23:50 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-58.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.58) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 10 Jan 2002 20:23:50 -0000 Message-ID: <005401c199ff$65feeb80$ac37fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> <3C3BA3D9.9060203@accessus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:51:13 -0500 Status: RO Karen asked about the knitted Regency dress. Well, I am not sure if Alison Kondo is still on the list, but she has book containing photos of this neat item. I have the pictures somewhere in my files (which are still packed), but, if you can stand to wait, I may be able to put my hand on them sometime this month! Cheers, Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 14:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24645 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:55:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AKQOF03053; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AKQIt20016; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AKOVt19194 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:24:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01021 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:24:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:24:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Hey, folks, > I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop ........ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > These look very much like clogs some friends of ours brought back from Sweden in the mid 1980's, leather is attached in almost the exactly same way. The primary difference is that the 80's clogs have a ribbed hard rubber sole attached to the bottom of the wood. This sole makes them very skid resistant and I have been using a pair on muddy days at faire for years, they wear well and are pretty comfortable with a pair of heavy socks. Yes, I've got Swedish wooden-soled clogs, too. But a major difference is that these are hand-made, and very old . > Looks like this style has been in use for a long time, at least in parts of northern Europe. Hope this helps. > > Catherine I should have been more specific in what I'm after: -- any guesses as to the age of these items, when they would have been worn, by whom... could they conceivably be early 19th c. men's overshoes? I've since turned up two more pairs (on the web and at a museum) of wooden-soled, leather-uppered "clogs", called men's overshoes, from the early 19th century. I'd love to know if similar items were worn in the 18th century, too, in the North American colonies... by men only, or by women, too? I am pretty sure that French colonists were wearing them, but would love some hard evidence that English settlers wore them, as well. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24851 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:36:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AL98F08822; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL90t13296; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL8et13066 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:08:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-140.frys.com [66.121.20.140]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0AL72r16732 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110124529.01782820@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: References: <869A91642E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:49:03 -0800 Status: RO >> Tea sandwiches sound sort of - dry and leafy? > >Oddly enough, I had a similar thought, only I was thinking cold, squishy >and bitter--tea after it had been used. No, no, that's 'tea bag' sandwiches! ;) >Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea >sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. They're sandwiches to eat while drinking tea, with guests, in the front parlour. They're usually little triangular things of dubious nutritional value, and with the crusts cut off. Cucumber sandwiches fall into this category. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24855 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AL9aF08881; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL9Tt13527; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL8gt13094 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:08:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-140.frys.com [66.121.20.140]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0AL74r16737 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110125133.017824f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency winter dresses In-Reply-To: <005401c199ff$65feeb80$ac37fea9@jchancey> References: <013d01c19809$d6e2cd00$ac37fea9@jchancey> <3C3BA3D9.9060203@accessus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:52:51 -0800 Status: RO I may be able to put my hand on them sometime >this month! And post them, please? This I gotta see. It's right up there with the knitted 'pluderhosen' in Rutt's hand knitting book. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:37:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24859 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:37:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AL9eF08895; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL9Xt13584; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AL8kt13133 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:08:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-140.frys.com [66.121.20.140]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0AL70r16728 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020110124342.01785ca0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Blackwork "paths" In-Reply-To: <200201100904.AA1626931422@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45:16 -0800 Status: RO >>before I'm too *%&%! old to see the >>fabric...[sigh]... >May I suggest reading glasses, I figured out the waste canvas idea because reading glasses don't fit over my bifocals. But thanx for the hint about a magnifying lamp. I do have one of those. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24907 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:48:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ALL7F10488; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALL0t19502; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALKnt19411 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:20:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:20:49 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:20:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 21:20:49.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD0803F0:01C19A1C] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:49 -0600 Status: RO >From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com >Well, I'm not sure that I have *any* good news for you. :( >(for coherency's sake, I mean mid-12th century, since that's what >most >people mean by '12th century') >I haven't found any period references or depictions of braid cases. >... I may be misremembering, but wasn't there one in Dress Accessories? Marc _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24941 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:51:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ALM7F10775; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALM0t20005; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALLNt19681 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA17752 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200201102138.NAA17752@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:38:39 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: Kevin & Mara Riley [...] > I've since turned up two more pairs (on the web and at a museum) of > wooden-soled, leather-uppered "clogs", called men's overshoes, from the > early 19th century. I'd love to know if similar items were worn in the > 18th century, too, in the North American colonies... by men only, or by > women, too? I am pretty sure that French colonists were wearing them, but > would love some hard evidence that English settlers wore them, as well. English clogs tend to look a little different. Picture a wooden sole with a regular lace-up shoe upper nailed to the sole. Here, I finally found a website with photos. http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/ http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/page2.htm Walkey's are one of the largest clog manufacturers left. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 15:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24972 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:56:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ALT8F11977; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALT1t24412; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f56.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.56]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ALSet24226 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:28:41 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:28:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jan 2002 21:28:41.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6199920:01C19A1D] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:28:40 -0600 Status: RO >From: Kevin + Mara Riley >I found a pair of clogs in an antique shop about 20 miles from >Hanover, PA >last summer. The woman running the shop had no idea >about their history. >I haven't asked anyone about them because I >hadn't gotten around to taking >pics yet... but I got a digital camera recently, so here are the pics:... >worn in the 18th c. by German immigrants and their descendants? I've >seen >enough "wooden shoes" in antique shops brought back from Europe as tourist >items that I'm a bit cautious, but it seems plausible that these are a >genuine holdover. >I am going to ask around a bit more about them, now that I actually >have >some pictures taken . But -- thoughts, folks? Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) That being said, I'm not sure holdover is the right word, since wooden soled shoes were worn even in this country until the early 20th century (and for clog dancers, even more recently), but I'd say that these were real live honest to goodness clogs. Marc _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 16:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25169 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AMK9F19028; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AMK1t21512; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AMJbt21299 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:19:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.98.169] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 6579913 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c19a24$d65b6aa0$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3C3D8F82.ADB2EB18@gideonfamily.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:19:13 -0600 Status: RO Andrea: OOooooohhh! Nice! Did you use patterns, or did you draft yourself? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** > > Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men > > (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? > > > > > Rebecca Schmitt > > Are you looking for period examples or would you be intrested in pictures of > recreations? > Here are some pics of my husband in his middle class Elizabethan clothes. > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0039a.jpg > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0001257.jpg > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0079.jpg > http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0000887.jpg > Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 16:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25198 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0AMR8F20145; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AMR0t25627; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0AMQst25552 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020110222659.42362.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:59 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:26:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Did someone say you had to> Just my own neurotic fear of being sneered at for TAF (total authenticity failure)!! > Garner writes > >I'm doing 12th C. English and really want to > >experiment with braid cases, but I'm not giving up > my > >barbette and veil! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 17:49:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25467 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:49:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ANLfF27030; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:21:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0AND1t21363; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ANCZt21144 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10444 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:27:44 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:27:44 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Maggie Secara wrote: > According to the main page, they are: > > 1882 Lithographs by > Albert Kretschmer > Painter and Costumer to the Royal Court Theatre, Berlin Seems like that's a secondary main page on this site. There's also a page at that shows the decorative title page of the book, with the typed-out title "Costumes of All Nations: Earliest times to the Ninteenth Century." My own record on the book lists this title, which I recorded from the copy I saw: "Costumes of All Nations, from the earliest times to the Nineteenth century: Exhibiting the Dresses and Habits of all classes, Regal, Ecclesiastical, Noble, Military, Judicial, and Civil." There are two authors: Albert Kretschmer and Carl Rohrbach. My notes indicate that Kretschmer was a German theater costumer and painter, but the book in this form was published in London in 1882. I use several slides from this book in a lecture I give on the Victorian influence on medieval costume scholarship. The images are pretty romanticized; for instance, on plate 31, which shows French costume from 1000, you'll see things like a woman holding a falcon without a glove, and a couple of Bayeux tapestry warriors with armor far more detailed than what's actually shown in the tapestry (indicating the artist filled in the blanks, either with his best guess or from some unknown source). When I researched this in more detail, I was able to trace some of the images to an earlier, widely popular 1829 French costume book by Camille Bonnard, which Kretschmer evidently used as one of his sources. Bonnard took lots of liberties in his interpretations, and Kretschmer copied Bonnard's images (with his changes intact) and made his own changes in the process. That means that you should not rely on the accuracy of anything -- colors, details, silhouette -- in one of Kretschmer's pictures unless you can find and compare it to the original source. But I'm glad to see this book online; I took only a few slides from the copy I saw, and it's nice to have the rest ready at hand. --Robin > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > > > Can anyone tell me where I might be able to find a better/closer > > > picture of the following? Heck, can anybody tell me more about this > > > picture in the first place? > > > > > > http://www.pconline.com/~tomdolan/costume/thmb6.htm > > > > Was there a particular one of these pictures you were interested in? The > > link you gave shows many pages scanned from one of those Victorian > > coffee-table costume books. I don't see a label, but if I had to lay > > money, I'd say it's "Costumes of All Nations," by Albert Kretschmer and > > Carl Rohrbach, published in 1882 in England according to my notes from my > > lecture on Victorian costume scholarship. The authors are German, but I > > don't recall whether there was an earlier German edition, or whether the > > British publication was first. > > > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:24:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25581 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:24:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ANv9F02195; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ANv0t13307; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ANuPt13052 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020110235626.ZRAF3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:56:26 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Braid cases and barbettes...do they "go together"? Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c5424cc.845811492@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0ANuPt13052 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:56:36 GMT Status: RO On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:20:49 -0600, the following was written in this electric book by "Marc Carlson" : >>From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com >>Well, I'm not sure that I have *any* good news for you. :( >>(for coherency's sake, I mean mid-12th century, since that's what >most >>people mean by '12th century') >>I haven't found any period references or depictions of braid cases. >>... > >I may be misremembering, but wasn't there one in Dress Accessories? > >Marc There's a 14th century partial hairpiece (one of the braids is gone), but that falls into the category of false hair, rather than braid cases, and is two centuries later than the items under discussion are supposed to have existed. You aren't misremebering exactly, but I can see how it might seem that the one was the other - especially if you are unlikely to have to wear such things yourself :) I should probably note that false hair (including under that heading anything that could be braided in, including flax line, horsehair, wool, and silk, as well as human hair and ribbons) *is* the most likely method for extension of the hair when and where needed during the 12th century vogue for conspicuous long braids. However, it seems that women not able to wear their hair in this manner may simply have not tried to - obscured (under veils or mantles) and loose hair is about as common as the two main types of braided hairdressing methods in my research, so far. So, to the original poster, you don't have to wear long braids if you don't want to. :) An unscientific (not tallied or charted, that comes later - after I've added in all I can find in text sources) survey of the various methods I've seen in period artwork can be found here: http://www.florilegium.org/files/PERSONAL/hair-msg.html about 3/4 of the way down, in the list of messages called 'braid casings". To find my messages, just search for 'chimericalgirl@home.com' (my old email address). Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 18:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25664 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B0I8F04497; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:18:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B0I1t23261; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scl-ims.phoenix.com (scl-ims.phoenix.com [134.122.1.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B0Hit23172 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:17:44 -0700 (MST) Received: by scl-ims.phoenix.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:04 -0800 Message-ID: <95683E64E705CB41BB06F348AE5F597B0E8E0E@tko-exch.phoenix.com> From: Cynthia Barnes To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:17:44 -0800 Status: RO There is a lovely branch of mathematics that deals with this problem. It's graph theory. Your problem is quite simply resolved by applying Euler's theorem. You may not realize it, but you are actually applying the theory, in a simplified, non-generalized version. This page tells the story of the "Bridges of Konigsberg" game that prompted the invention of this field. It explains both the game and the solution in clear terms. There are NO equations. http://www.jcu.edu/math/vignettes/bridges.htm --cin Cynthia in Tokyo > First: if all the parts of a blackwork pattern touch each other in > some way, it can be made reversible ("can", not "must" or "will"); if > any parts of the design are separated from other parts and don't > touch, it _can't_ be made exactly reversible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 19:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25773 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B0mCF07291; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B0m1t05058; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13904.mail.yahoo.com (web13904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0B0l2t04659 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:47:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020111004709.36893.qmail@web13904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.0.223.241] by web13904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:47:09 PST From: Megan McConnell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Blackwork "paths" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:47:09 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Actually, Heather, that is a beautifully clear explaination - and a way I had never thought of doing it!!! Megan M --- Heather Rose Jones wrote: > I don't know that this will work for everyone, but > here's my method. > > First: if all the parts of a blackwork pattern touch > each other in > some way, it can be made reversible ("can", not > "must" or "will"); if > any parts of the design are separated from other > parts and don't > touch, it _can't_ be made exactly reversible. (It > may be possible to > stitch it such that the reverse is an equally > pleasing pattern, but > it will not be exactly the same pattern.) A slight > modification of > this rule is that if you have a band pattern that > involves more than > one separate bands that don't touch (e.g., a broad > central band with > narrower "racing stripes"), then if you work each > band as a separate > project, they can all be made reversible. > > Any potentially reversible design can be visualized > as a "branching > tree" structure -- that is, a single main path with > numerous branches > coming off of it (which may themselves have > branches), but where each > branch has an end rather than coming back into the > pattern. To > visualize this, you may have to visualize "breaks" > in the line at > points were the line actually continues (e.g., a > "lollipop" shape > must be "broken" where one side of the loop meets > the stem and > becomes a single, unbranching line). > > When you work the design, pick one path that > continues along your > entire design as your "main" path (if it's a band > with straight > edges, then one edge works nicely for this) and run > a single line of > your running stitch along this path. > > Start to return, but every time you hit a branch off > this main path, > go off and work it until it is entirely done before > you return to the > main path. > > This explanation works better if I can doodle while > giving it, but I > don't trust the stability of ascii art enough to try > here. > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Megan McConnell ICQ: 57164109 "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming." I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." -G. Stoddart __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 20:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26118 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:52:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B2PCF14625; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:25:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B2P0t06777; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B2OJt06329 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from DarlaKDavis@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.87.15ca31cf (3974) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: DarlaKDavis@aol.com Message-ID: <87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10556 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:24:16 EST Status: RO --part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 1:10:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: > Cucumber sandwiches fall into this > category. > as in "Much Ado About Nothing" not the play, I mean you might as well eat air. Don't forget the watercress! Katrin --part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/02 1:10:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes:


Cucumber sandwiches fall into this
category.


as in "Much Ado About Nothing" not the play, I mean you might as well eat air.  Don't forget the watercress!

Katrin --part1_87.15ca31cf.296fa6d0_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 22:13:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26364 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:13:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B3jAF21042; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:45:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3j1t00835; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw09.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3iTt00630 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web22 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw09.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C3E24EF0000E096 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:37:37 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:46:41 -0500 Status: RO Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? I can't seem to find a reference anywhere to this point, and I'm not sure by looking at the patterns if they have been included... Admitting defeat at the question, I'm honestly not sure. I'd like to make up Queen Liz' Phoenix gown using the pattern for the bodice, but that point is fairly pertinent... And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried it myself, I wonder. Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 22:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26408 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B3x9F22316; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3x1t04870; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B3w4t04612 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r3p22.directcon.net [209.77.71.119]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27591 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:57:13 -0800 Message-Id: <200201110357.TAA27591@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:57:13 -0800 Status: RO At 10:46 PM 01/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and >screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read >through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author >has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? No, there are no seam allowances. This is standard with theatrical patterns, as it allows the cutter to lay the pattern, usually cut out of heavy paper, down on the fabric and trace around it for seamlines, giving very precisly marked stitching lines. The seam allowances are then added on in the desired width (usually 1" to allow for alterations.) As for pulling up the piping cord like a drawstring at the neckline, yes, it helps, but it doesn't replace careful fitting, only augments. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 22:45:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26478 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:45:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B4I9F23640; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:18:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B4I0t11136; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B4HAt10817 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:17:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B4HUv29712 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201110417.g0B4HUv29712@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question In-Reply-To: <200201110357.TAA27591@artemis.directcon.net> "from Margo@margospatterns.com at Jan 10, 2002 07:57:13 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the sloper she's using? I couldn't find any reference to it in the one I have. .heather.meadows. > At 10:46 PM 01/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and > >screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read > >through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author > >has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? > > No, there are no seam allowances. This is standard with theatrical > patterns, as it allows the cutter to lay the pattern, usually cut out of > heavy paper, down on the fabric and trace around it for seamlines, giving > very precisly marked stitching lines. The seam allowances are then added on > in the desired width (usually 1" to allow for alterations.) > > As for pulling up the piping cord like a drawstring at the neckline, yes, it > helps, but it doesn't replace careful fitting, only augments. > > Margo > > > Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns > margospatterns.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 23:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26624 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B5FAF27865; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5F1t27882; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5E0t27605 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a5.20f0ed33 (4210) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:54 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:54 EST Status: RO --part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the > sloper she's using? I couldn't find any reference to it in the one > I have. > page 14 "All the patterns in this book are for a figure of approximately: Bust 86-91cm [34-36in] waist 63-68cm [25-27in] N-W-B 38-40cm [15-16in]" Also on page 10, there is a list of measurements with the chart. These correspond to the list above and are probably correct for the patterns. I have made the 1660s bodice right from the book. I had to adjust the boning pattern a little but this was common sense and obvious. I also greatly simplified the sleeve. [I don't like her sleeve patterns.] It looks fantastic. --part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes:


Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the
sloper she's using?  I couldn't find any reference to it in the one
I have.


page 14

"All the patterns in this book are for a figure of approximately:
Bust     86-91cm [34-36in]
waist    63-68cm [25-27in]
N-W-B  38-40cm [15-16in]"

Also on page 10, there is a list of measurements with the chart. These correspond to the list above and are probably correct for the patterns.

I have made the 1660s bodice right from the book. I had to adjust the boning pattern a little but this was common sense and obvious. I also greatly simplified the sleeve. [I don't like her sleeve patterns.] It looks fantastic.   --part1_a5.20f0ed33.296fce92_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 10 23:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26642 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B5M9F28315; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:22:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5M0t29921; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B5LLt29732 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g0B5LhY30014 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:21:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200201110521.g0B5LhY30014@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question In-Reply-To: "from AlbertCat@aol.com at Jan 11, 2002 00:13:54 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:21:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO thanks Albert! I have the victorian one, and I swear I could never find that info. .heather. > In a message dated 1/10/2002 11:18:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > alice@wonderland.com writes: > > > > Another question on her books -- what's the size/proportions of the > > sloper she's using? I couldn't find any reference to it in the one > > I have. > > > > page 14 > > "All the patterns in this book are for a figure of approximately: > Bust 86-91cm [34-36in] > waist 63-68cm [25-27in] > N-W-B 38-40cm [15-16in]" > > Also on page 10, there is a list of measurements with the chart. These > correspond to the list above and are probably correct for the patterns. > > I have made the 1660s bodice right from the book. I had to adjust the boning > pattern a little but this was common sense and obvious. I also greatly > simplified the sleeve. [I don't like her sleeve patterns.] It looks > fantastic. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 00:43:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26764 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:43:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0B6GAF01153; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B6G0t14367; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0B6FIt14179 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:15:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0019.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.12.19]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0B6FPu91254 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3E82D4.F7910589@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb References: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:14:44 -0600 Status: RO SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th > century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To > that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, > manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. I was having trouble finding documentation for my time period (late 12th C France; well, Kingdom of Burgundy). I figured manuscripts would be a good source. I spoke with some scribal arts folks and found out that not much survives from that time period; too many wars over ran the area. I have found one good source, however. I believe it's German. Herrad of Landsberg's "Hortus Deliciarum (Garden of Delights)". The original manuscript was destroyed, but several tracings were made and are available in various editions. The version I found compares most of the existing copies in one volume along with commentary. Herrad of Landsberg; Hortus Deliciarum (Garden of Delights); Commentary and Notes by A. Straub and G. Keller; Edited and Translated by Aristide D. Cartazas; Caratza Brothers, Publishers; New Rochelle, NY, 1977. --Charlene -- How can "crash course" and "collision course" have two different meanings? -- George Carlin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 06:34:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12153 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:34:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BC77F15987; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BC40t14457; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (dsl092-160-084.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.160.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BC3St14383 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:03:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from gideonfamily.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackmagic.gideonfamily.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43615811F for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C3ED494.DCBFDE94@gideonfamily.org> From: Andrea Gideon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> <3C3D8F82.ADB2EB18@gideonfamily.org> <004201c19a24$d65b6aa0$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:03:32 -0500 Status: RO Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Andrea: > > OOooooohhh! Nice! Did you use patterns, or did you draft yourself? > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt The black suit in the last picture was the first one I made and used the Med. Misc. Period Patterns, Men's Elizabethan, about 4 years ago. I then adapted that pattern to a more period cut and fit. Finally, the green outfit at the top was based strictly from Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion. Andrea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 07:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16517 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:56:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDTBF19256; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDT0t01954; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDSet01756 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:28:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDSmu174654 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002c01c19aa4$8f471940$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> <3C3A3F73.45F46819@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:29:58 -0500 Status: RO Sounds good to me. Are you the Crissy that works at the JoAnne's By the University Mall in Tampa? If so, it would be fairly easy to get together. Moira > Moira.... this would be a good challenge for me. It's been quite a while since > I've had a good one. We could start plotting after Gulf Wars. ( Sorry I have a > period-esque wedding gown to do before then.) > This could be fun! Wanna try? > Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 07:58:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16524 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDVBF19355; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDV1t02467; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDV0t02453 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDV8u209306 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:31:08 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c19aa4$e2a89e60$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <20020107.120027.538.3606@wm7.jersey.juno.com> <063201c197f7$fd271dc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Subject: Re: Re:Re: [h-cost] Off to England MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:35:49 -0500 Status: RO > In Australia we also have travel bags with a one-way valve for when no > powered vacuum is available. If you try www.spacebags.com , you should be able to find some like this. I've seen them on an ad on BBCAmerica over and over again. Moira _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16565 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:02:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDZAF19591; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDZ0t03595; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDY3t03381 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDYBu220716 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:34:12 -0500 Message-ID: <003b01c19aa5$500264a0$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:38:53 -0500 Status: RO The thing I have trouble with is that they don't sit right when I sit down. (my tummy apparently sticks out beyond my chest when I sit in the wheelchair, no matter how I try to sit.);-p It also all moves north. Moira > > >figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do > >corsets quite yet.);-D > > Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a > modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't > really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16591 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:12:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BDjBF20194; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDj0t06109; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:45:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BDi9t05906 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:44:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BDiIu305012 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:44:18 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01c19aa6$b94d8b00$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <16e.6d8f384.296c7032@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:48:59 -0500 Status: RO The last I knew, they did, as long as you had an interest in the subject. I do know for a fact a number of caretakers were on the list. Moira > > > have you tried posting this question to the SCA-disabled list?? > > > > their addy is medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com > > > > this list is not only for SCA but all disableds who are into reinactment > > > Does this group allow non-disabled lurkers? The topic is one I'm interested > in. > > Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16622 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:29:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BE2BF21045; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BE21t10116; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BE1lt10062 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:01:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-115-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.115]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BE1tu209246 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: <016601c19aa9$2f590c00$73882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <867D5E6BDC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals - Elizabethan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:06:36 -0500 Status: RO :-D I figured if it weren't a typo, it might have been slang for something. It would, however, most definitely be sneaky support.;-D Moira > > even provide meaky support for one of those big standing > > ruff-crescent shaped affairs, perhaps?). > > My typos are getting worse! > > I meant to type *sneaky* support, not meaky (whatever that means) > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16697 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:47:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BEKBF22053; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BEK0t14752; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BEJMt14624 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1067 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 14:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.36) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 14:19:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:20:44 -0600 Status: RO Kimberly Tribe wrote: > > And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a > drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves > *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried > it myself, I wonder. I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not necessary. If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of the bodice, and if you make them snug enough, they will stay on unless you have really slopey shoulders. The proper angle is something you have to decide for yourself, but something less than 90 degrees (when measured from the horizontal front neckline) is useful. I don't know what Hunnisett's pattern looks like, but take a look at Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion (1560-1620), page 9, which has her conjectured pattern of the Phoenix gown. You'll see that the straps angle in towards center front. The patterns in Juan de Alcega's Pattern Book (from 1589) look the same (he was Arnold's source, in fact). If you still feel the shoulders slipping and you want to try a drawstring, consider putting it only over the shoulders (and not across the front or back) where any puckering will be hidden by the shoulder decor. Best of luck! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 08:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16752 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:58:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BETBF22686; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:29:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BET1t17151; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BESit16970 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22584 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:28:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <003b01c19aa5$500264a0$73882d41@ccc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:28:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Heather wrote: > The thing I have trouble with is that they don't sit right when I sit down. > (my tummy apparently sticks out beyond my chest when I sit in the > wheelchair, no matter how I try to sit.);-p It also all moves north. > Moira Sounds like you need to make your stays/boned bodice a bit short-waisted, so that it doesn't get pushed up. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:26:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16852 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:26:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BExCF25604; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BEx1t26573; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20407.mail.yahoo.com (web20407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BEw5t26161 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:58:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020111145814.33297.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:58:14 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006d01c19aa6$b94d8b00$73882d41@ccc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:58:14 -0800 (PST) Status: RO You've probably thought of this, but I'm wondering whether making the boned bodice very short (high-waisted) would help with the bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-down problem. If skirts start poofing out from the "waist" and if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable that you've raised the waist. (Of course, if you happen to have a short torso to begin with, it might look a little funny.) But just thinking here, if you were going to do some sort of farthingale over the chair (which I think would be way cool if it works), wouldn't you need the waist to be a little higher anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the skirts go over the arm rests? Just trying to be helpful- Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:36:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16913 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:36:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BF9BF26617; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:09:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BF90t00272; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe143.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BF84t29716 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:08 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.25.98.19] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1702 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jan 2002 15:08:08.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[C72CDEA0:01C19AB1] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:08:03 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you go cavalier, which is 'short-waisted' to begin with, you would be = able to stand up too. Cavalier bodices, like some Elizabethan, can be a = separate garment (like a doublet or jerkin) from your skirt, and has thos= e wonderful 'skirt-like' peplums (not my period, so don't know the right = terminology) that could hide a multitude of costuming cheats. Or you could go with a more ornate Italian Ren (court garb?); this style = is typically high waisted anyways, and besides, typically uncorseted too. I think some of the folks I know that wear italian ren do wear corsets, b= ut since I'm not particularily well-endowed, I don't. Just a thought... Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela Kovatch Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:02 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals You've probably thought of this, but I'm wondering whether making the boned bodice very short (high-waisted) would help with the bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-down problem. If skirts start poofing out from the "waist" and if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable that you've raised the waist. (Of course, if you happen to have a short torso to begin with, it might look a little funny.) But just thinking here, if you were going to do some sort of farthingale over the chair (which I think would be way cool if it works), wouldn't you need the waist to be a little higher anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the skirts go over the arm rests? Just trying to be helpful- Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you go cava= lier, which is 'short-waisted' to begin with, you would be able to stand = up too.  Cavalier bodices, like some Elizabethan, can be a separate = garment (like a doublet or jerkin) from your skirt, and has those wonderf= ul 'skirt-like' peplums (not my period, so don't know the right terminolo= gy) that could hide a multitude of costuming cheats. 
&n= bsp;
Or you could go with a more ornate Italian Ren (court gar= b?); this style is typically high waisted anyways, and besides, typically= uncorseted too.
 
I think some of the fo= lks I know that wear italian ren do wear corsets, but since I'm not parti= cularily well-endowed, I don't.
 
Just a thoug= ht...
Gia/Giacinta 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Angela Kovatch
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:02 AM
To: h-costume@indra.com
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Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair h= istoricals
 
You've probably thought of this, but I'= m wondering
whether making the boned bodice very short
(high-waiste= d) would help with the
bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-d= own
problem.  If skirts start poofing out from the "waist"
and= if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable
that you've raised = the waist.  (Of course, if you
happen to have a short torso to be= gin with, it might
look a little funny.)  But just thinking here,= if you
were going to do some sort of farthingale over the
chair (w= hich I think would be way cool if it works),
wouldn't you need the wai= st to be a little higher
anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the ski= rts go
over the arm rests?

Just trying to be helpful-
Angela=

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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C19A6E.B62C9660-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:50:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17004 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:50:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFNCF28184; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFN2t05734; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFM8t05382 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:22:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.aa.4c008d6 (4210) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:22:08 EST Status: RO --part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 12:22:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes: > thanks Albert! My pleasure. I have the victorian one, and I swear I could never find > that info. In that volume, the measurement chart is on page 13. --part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 12:22:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, alice@wonderland.com writes:


thanks Albert!  
My pleasure.


I have the victorian one, and I swear I could never find

that info.
In that volume, the measurement chart is on page 13.



--part1_aa.4c008d6.29705d20_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:54:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17020 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFRBF28693; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFR0t07211; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFQit07131 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:26:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.113.ac3a207 (4210) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <113.ac3a207.29705e36@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:46 EST Status: RO --part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 9:20:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: > I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not > necessary. If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of > the bodice, and if you make them snug enough, True. Ideally the draw string really shouldn't be what holds the neckline up. It just ensures a snug edge close to the skin. In fact one shouldn't even be able to detect the drawing up. It should be just a slight smidgen with no gathering, just some ease distributed around the shoulders and back. --part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/11/2002 9:20:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes:


I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not
necessary.  If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of
the bodice, and if you make them snug enough,


True.

Ideally the draw string really shouldn't be what holds the neckline up. It just ensures a snug edge close to the skin. In fact one shouldn't even be able to detect the drawing up. It should be just a slight smidgen with no gathering, just some ease distributed around the shoulders and back. --part1_113.ac3a207.29705e36_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 09:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17028 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFSBF28825; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:28:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFS0t07734; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.wireweb.net ([207.235.90.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFRkt07523 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:27:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from wireweb.net [207.235.88.82] by smtp.wireweb.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.04) id A55DF48500DE; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:31:41 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3F063B.7B4625@wireweb.net> From: Alexandria Doyle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-PCD_V45 (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <00c601c19726$0d3df440$2f52fe3f@ccc> <3C3929BA.A6EC8CA3@in-tch.com> <4.1.20020107184530.017a5570@mail.frys.com> <003b01c19aa5$500264a0$73882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:35:23 -0600 Status: RO I had a "happy" accident with my latest corset. I had made one of the effigy design, used reeds as stays and was quite comfy with the overall fit. What lead to the "accident" ... I prelace the corset, wiggle into it and then work the laces tight, usually by myself. This means a very long lace, that I just wrap to the front and tie into a large bow while wearing it. Apparently one of the first times I wore it, I pulled this lace too tight around the waist and through the course of the day it broke the reeds at the front waist, where you bend. I find now that I have a range of movement that I didn't have before and it's wonderful. the lower panel usually behaves (sometimes it wants to flip up) and gives that flatness in front when standing or sitting. -I am also one that the tummy protrudes when I sit. No amount of exercise or weight loss has fixed that yet- I have no intentions at this time to replace the broken reeds, and am planning a second corset, trying to figure out if I should pre-break the reeds or let it happen the same as before. Alexandria Heather wrote: > > The thing I have trouble with is that they don't sit right when I sit down. > (my tummy apparently sticks out beyond my chest when I sit in the > wheelchair, no matter how I try to sit.);-p It also all moves north. > Moira > > > > >figure out the corset thing. (Maybe even choose a decade that didn't do > > >corsets quite yet.);-D > > > > Do a thing which looks like a corset, but doesn't fit any tighter than a > > modern bustier, and you'll be fine in any corset period. The things don't > > really have to be tight, just snug as a bra. > > > > Kayta > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:19:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17128 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:19:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFqCF01794; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:52:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFq0t18136; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFp9t17780 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:51:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCY84OW89C00EGTF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:53:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCY84FQNWE00F57Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:53:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.182) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201101904.g0AJ4Jt05980@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea > sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. I assumed it was the "genteel" sort of sandwiches you'd have with tea from loose-leaf tea in a teapot and china cups with matching saucers, cube-sugar in a bowl with silver tongs to pick it out etc, rather than the huge chunky doorsteps of bread and filling wot people like me has with big mugs of PGTips made using teabags and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag Teddy (Uncouth? Me? Abso-bloody-lutely!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17145 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BFtBF02162; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFt1t19452; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BFsKt19134 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:54:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCY88PG5SW00EJWT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:56:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCY88DKUGU00F57Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:56:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:51:35 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:50:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.182) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:49:46 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201101904.g0AJ4Jt05980@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:49:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Oh my gosh - sorry! I assumed everyone was joking!! > Tea sandwiches [at least here in the U.S.] are little > fancy-shmancy finger sandwiches served with afternoon > tea. You see, Jean, she meant *posh* ones...... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17179 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:30:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BG3FF03094; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BG34t22944; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BG1ot22391 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:01:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KCY8I4LMFK00DTUN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:03:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KCY8HZUQ2Q00F57Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:03:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:59:14 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:58:50 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.182) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:58:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-reply-to: <200201102359.g0ANxKt14474@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:58:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy, for shame, you should know that tea sandwiches are > to be served with tea at tea time, not made from tea leaves. Hey! I may not have known all the details but I had the general idea - it's *Jean* who's the uncultured slob in this case.... Pthphphpht! Teddy (going into hiding) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 10:54:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17270 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:54:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BGRCF06248; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGR0t04781; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (root@MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGQbt04595 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:26:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23731 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:26:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001201c19abc$4b6c4340$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:23:23 -0600 Status: RO Kimberly: Unless indicated, none of the patterns have seam allowances. I've only used some of the patterns to dress dolls, not people and even then, I only scaled them up or down to the height of the dolls and then altered them to fit, of course, keeping the cut and seaming authentic. If I didn't agree, I went to Janet Arnold's books to look for an authentic pattern. Once you have a fit, then you can make your seam allowances the width comfortable for you to work with. Some people want to have more to work with in case of fitting problems, others less. I will usually start with a half-inch wide seam allowance and trim it down to a 1/4" wide or less, for dolls. I find sew-in interfacing makes better pattern pieces then tissue paper, or paper towels, especially for dolls. I hand-sew and sew-in interfacing is something easy to baste if you want to make sure the fit is perfect. It is more reliable than tape and pins may scratch dolls' porcelain parts. (But you can stick pins in with abandon on cloth parts!) Making the foundation garments first is a must. A hard-bodied vinyl or porcelain doll may not need a real corset or stays(adds bulk) but will need any shifts, farthingales or bumrolls the outer costume requires. Often boring, but if I really want to work with the fashion fabrics and trims, I'll make the shoes(necessary anyway) or headdress first to get that out of my system. With soft-bodied dolls(with porcelain limbs and shoulder or bust plates or head and shoulder bust plate all in one), I've found that having the correct stays or corset not only creates the correct foundation silhouette, the dolls stuffing doesn't eventually fall victim to the force of gravity, either(just like with people). And I stuff pretty firmly. Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Tribe" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question > Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and > screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read > through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author > has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? I can't seem to > find a reference anywhere to this point, and I'm not sure by looking > at the patterns if they have been included... Admitting defeat at the > question, I'm honestly not sure. I'd like to make up Queen Liz' > Phoenix gown using the pattern for the bodice, but that point is > fairly pertinent... > > And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a > drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves > *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried > it myself, I wonder. > > Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 11:00:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17290 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:00:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BGXBF06964; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGX1t08041; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20103.mail.yahoo.com (web20103.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BGW0t07474 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:32:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.195.39] by web20103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:32:02 PST From: Sidonia Ros To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Fabric questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:32:02 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Greetings to the list. I am working on some new garb for upcoming faire/events and have a couple of questions regarding fabric choices. First, what is Faustian? Does it still exist? What would be a modern day equivalent? Second, I am working on a lower middle class/campfollower gown for the German guild at my faire and have had it suggested to me that I could use either wool or brushed denim. Now did brushed denim exist in the renaissance? If so, would it have necessarily been used by a lower clas individual. If it didn't exist, what would be the purpose in suggesting the fabric; what is it supposed to simulate? Thank you. Ghislaine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 11:01:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17303 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:01:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BGYCF07190; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BGY0t08661; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from globalnomad.co.uk ([213.86.239.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BGXHt08170 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10875 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 16:14:35 -0000 Received: from ppp-2-240.cvx5.telinco.net (HELO pavilion) (212.1.153.240) by 213.86.239.36 with SMTP; 11 Jan 2002 16:14:35 -0000 Message-ID: <011301c19abb$d0b88500$f09901d4@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:19:58 -0000 Status: RO >PGTips made using teabags and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag UGH You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your tea Lady Power (aka Mel) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22038 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:03:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BIaEF28679; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BIa1t15086; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BIZ6t14631 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.179.1fc260a (4459) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:35:02 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <179.1fc260a.29708a56@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_179.1fc260a.29708a56_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:35:02 EST Status: RO --part1_179.1fc260a.29708a56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh Teddy, what would we do without you? 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--part1_179.1fc260a.29708a56_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22242 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:36:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8YF03329; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ8Mt01868; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ74t01227 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Ur18823 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:30 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111104547.00bb1bf0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric questions In-Reply-To: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:56:52 -0800 Status: RO Fustian is linen in one direction and cotton(?) in the other. You can still find this in the drapery section, but it's usually too coarsely woven to look good for Landsknechts. Wool is a good choice, even for summer, as it allows body heat and moisture to pass to the outside and evaporate. If you're doing the skirt right, with all that waist bulk, you'll generate a lot of body heat (you knew that). Look for thin wool, like maybe trousers-weight, because you'll roast in coat-weight. Here in California I can usually find trousers-weight wool all year 'round in VietNamese cloth stores, but I have to be careful that it's 100% wool (never use a blend). Underline the pleats if you want them to look bulky, and use a band of something at the bottom for trim, to give the hem some substance. Also, see if you can get real linen for your shirt/chemise (but it has to be real flax/linen and really thin), as this will be cooler than cotton. >I am working on some new garb for upcoming >faire/events and have a couple of questions regarding >fabric choices. > >First, what is Faustian? Does it still exist? What >would be a modern day equivalent? > >Second, I am working on a lower middle >class/campfollower gown for the German guild at my >faire and have had it suggested to me that I could use >either wool or brushed denim. Now did brushed denim >exist in the renaissance? If so, would it have >necessarily been used by a lower clas individual. If >it didn't exist, what would be the purpose in >suggesting the fabric; what is it supposed to >simulate? > >Thank you. > >Ghislaine > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22249 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8tF03407; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ8ht02117; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ77t01251 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Vr18826 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111105720.00bb8c70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <011301c19abb$d0b88500$f09901d4@pavilion> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:03:35 -0800 Status: RO Does one have to put milk (etc.) in ones tea to be English? And I was so disappointed, when I went to Australia, to find coffee drinkers in the majority. (I'm an American tea-drinker, and iced tea is fine with me, but I never put anything in my tea, hot or cold.) Obligatory costume note - is tea dying harmful to fabric? I heard that the acid in tea can damage the fibres over the years, and that one should use decaf-coffee for dying instead. >>PGTips made using teabags >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > >UGH > >You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your >tea > >Lady Power (aka Mel) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22253 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:36:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8DF03301; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ80t01731; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ70t01200 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Pr18811 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:26 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111101932.00bb5640@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals In-Reply-To: <20020111145814.33297.qmail@web20407.mail.yahoo.com> References: <006d01c19aa6$b94d8b00$73882d41@ccc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:14:44 -0800 Status: RO 'Cavalier' period is good for this, as it is already short-waisted, and there's lots of room for really elaborate decoration and needlework. You can get do of the gold, lace, jewelry, and general opulence that the Elizabethans did, and still sit gracefully. And if you have anything like hips, you won't need a roll-farthingale to build, to wear, and to figure out where it's going in your chair. I'd still go for slip-covers for at least the arms and back of the chair. I'd do it in silver and black, the colours most chairs come in. If you're doing late period anyway, you can use braid, fringe, tassels, velvet, brocade - and really do it up splendid. What I really want is one of those Victorian wood and cane invalid-chairs with wheels, whether or not they can be propelled by the sitter. Every once in a while they are just the thing for living history events, like when I blow my knees out (again) morris dancing. >You've probably thought of this, but I'm wondering >whether making the boned bodice very short >(high-waisted) would help with the >bending/being-a-different shape-while-sitting-down >problem. If skirts start poofing out from the "waist" >and if you don't stand up, it might not be noticeable >that you've raised the waist. (Of course, if you >happen to have a short torso to begin with, it might >look a little funny.) But just thinking here, if you >were going to do some sort of farthingale over the >chair (which I think would be way cool if it works), >wouldn't you need the waist to be a little higher >anyway, so it doesn't look funny when the skirts go >over the arm rests? > >Just trying to be helpful- >Angela > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22259 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJ8iF03374; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ8Wt02001; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:08:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ74t01232 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-73.frys.com [66.121.20.73]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0BJ5Rr18819 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:05:28 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111102832.00aa0770@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: historicals on dolls (was Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question) In-Reply-To: <001201c19abc$4b6c4340$55c98693@creighton.edu> References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:45:02 -0800 Status: RO I like to build dolls to fit the historical pattern book patterns at their printed sizes, or at least to fit an easy enlargement of them. I spend so much time fussing with patterns for myself that I hate to have to do it for dolls. No pins - I got some little wooden clothespins for one of my dolls, but I use them for holding crochet/knit pieces together before sewing. These may work for holding doll cloth parts together, if pins might harm something. Corsetting - I find that if I stuff a little loosely, the corset adds back the bulk I didn't put in, so the doll gets her corset and I get to be a snobby purist and know that she has one. >Kimberly: Unless indicated, none of the patterns have seam allowances. I've >only used some of the patterns to dress dolls, not people and even then, I >only scaled them up or down to the height of the dolls and then altered them >to fit, of course, keeping the cut and seaming authentic. If I didn't agree, >I went to Janet Arnold's books to look for an authentic pattern. Once you >have a fit, then you can make your seam allowances the width comfortable for >you to work with. Some people want to have more to work with in case of >fitting problems, others less. I will usually start with a half-inch wide >seam allowance and trim it down to a 1/4" wide or less, for dolls. I find >sew-in interfacing makes better pattern pieces then tissue paper, or paper >towels, especially for dolls. I hand-sew and sew-in interfacing is something >easy to baste if you want to make sure the fit is perfect. It is more >reliable than tape and pins may scratch dolls' porcelain parts. (But you can >stick pins in with abandon on cloth parts!) > >Making the foundation garments first is a must. A hard-bodied vinyl or >porcelain doll may not need a real corset or stays(adds bulk) but will need >any shifts, farthingales or bumrolls the outer costume requires. Often >boring, but if I really want to work with the fashion fabrics and trims, >I'll make the shoes(necessary anyway) or headdress first to get that out of >my system. > >With soft-bodied dolls(with porcelain limbs and shoulder or bust plates or >head and shoulder bust plate all in one), I've found that having the correct >stays or corset not only creates the correct foundation silhouette, the >dolls stuffing doesn't eventually fall victim to the force of gravity, >either(just like with people). And I stuff pretty firmly. > >Cindy Abel >ILL Coordinator >Health Sciences Library >Creighton University >2500 California Plaza >Omaha NE 68178-0210 >Phone: 402. 280-5144 >Fax: 402.280-5134 >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kimberly Tribe" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:46 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question > > >> Okay -- I now have in my posession a copy of "Costumes for stage and >> screen: patterns for women's dress 1500-1800". Have any of you read >> through this or used any of the scaled patters to know if the author >> has included seam allowances in her scaled patterns? I can't seem to >> find a reference anywhere to this point, and I'm not sure by looking >> at the patterns if they have been included... Admitting defeat at the >> question, I'm honestly not sure. I'd like to make up Queen Liz' >> Phoenix gown using the pattern for the bodice, but that point is >> fairly pertinent... >> >> And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a >> drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves >> *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried >> it myself, I wonder. >> >> Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at >http://www.zzn.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 13:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22266 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:37:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJADF03516; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJA1t02745; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJ9Ot02447 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:09:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.9e.20630e7b (4542) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <9e.20630e7b.29709267@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Pattern Question & keeping shoulders in place Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:09:27 EST Status: RO When I do a gown that has widely set shoulders I pin the shoulders to either the chemise, the partlet or the shoulders of my bodeys (depending which one works best on that gown). So far I've not had a problem with them drooping. Corsage pins work well, they are long and slick and if they show they have a nice pearl on the end. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22537 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BJpEF08136; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BJp1t22234; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0BJott22188 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:50:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002011114510509709 ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:51:05 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Grace Morris To: , , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [h-cost] Just in case you're bored (cross posting) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:51:01 -0500 Status: RO Providence Day School Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you have just more time on your hands than you know what to do with, check out this site... http://www.amn.org/# Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22649 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:39:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BKBDF10900; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKB1t01714; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw04.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKA7t01241 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:10:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web17 (209.185.149.10) by c0mailgw04.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3C3E24760004F126 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:03:11 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jean Hunnisett Patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:12:16 -0500 Status: RO Thank you! =) I will add in the allowances and keep you all posted as I proceed (and as I hit road blocks! *lol*). Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 14:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22734 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BKREF13401; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKR1t09664; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKQ4t09206 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-18-234.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.18.234]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACY14284; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:26:02 GMT Message-ID: <005201c19ade$bce31360$ea124ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <4.1.20020111105720.00bb8c70@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:29:57 -0000 Status: RO No one does NOT have to put milk in it unless one is a builder ;) Neither does one ice tea I believe they do in France however. Much to my shame my son drinks iced tea, send him to France for 6 months & he returns with such filthy habits ;) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 15:00:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22756 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:00:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0BKWDF14160; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:32:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKW1t12303; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0BKVkt12196 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:31:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from [128.32.6.85] (doeadpub280.Lib.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.6.85]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0BKVuQ11477; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:31:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> References: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0BKVkt12196 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:04:40 -0800 Status: RO I've snipped the SCA-Laurels list off the "to" line, because I'm not sure it's a good idea to cross-post to a restricted list. At 4:47 PM -0500 1/9/02, SNSpies@aol.com wrote: >Hello to the list. > >In the near future, I am diving headlong into some deep research on the 12th >century, specifically as it pertains to garb in "Germany" and "Italy". To >that end, I would please like to ask any and all of you for references, >manuscripts, primary sources, etc. that you would recommend. Contributing from my specialty, here's a list of the surviving garments attributed to the 12th century from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy that I am currently aware of. Geographic references are to the current location, not always the location of origin. I've given one reference for each, either the most useful, or one from another book I'm referencing frequently. Unfortunately, but understandably, the majority of these items are ecclesiastical (the primary exception being the HRE vestments, which don't exactly count as "ordinary"). Austria Holy Roman Empire vestments (at the Vienna Schatzkammer) - alb and leggings associated with William II (Fillitz 1964, figs. 52, 57) - silk tunic (the one with the gold tube-bead embroidery on the cuffs) and embroidered cloak (the lion & camel one) associated with Roger II (many references, but I'll stick with Fillitz 1964, figs. 53, 56, pl.5) Germany Bamburg Cathedral - dalmatic associated with Otto II (Müller-Christensen 1960 -- but I've got question marks in the database, so it may be I've got the reference wrong) Passau Cathedral - a "tunicella", IIRC this is an ecclesiastical dalmatic-like garment (Bayerischen Nationalmuseum 1955 #49) Switzerland Delemont - leggins in nalebinding associated with Saint Germain (Schmedding 1978) ?location? - alb associated with St. Hugo (Schmedding 1978 #289) Italy Vatican Museum - two dalmatics falsely associated with Charlemagne, actually most likely 12th c. (Roma 1938 pl. 257) Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, Rome - alb associated with St. Thomas Becket (Butler 1995) Florence - cope and nalebinding gloves associated with Bishop Bernardo degli Uberti (Müller-Christensen 1960 pl. 84, 106) Bibliography Bayerischen Nationalmuseum. 1955. Sakrale Gewänder des Mittelalters. Ausstellung im Bayerischen Nationalmuseum München. Butler, John. 1995. The Quest for Becket's Bones. Yale University Press, New Haven. Fillitz, Hermann. 1964. Die Schatzkammer in Wien. Schrollverlag, Wien. Müller-Christensen, Sigrid. 1960. Das Grab des Papstes Clemens II. im Dom zu Bamberg. Verlag F. Bruckmann, München. Roma .. Mostra del tessile nazionale .... 1938. L'Antico Tessuto d'Arte Italiano. La Libreria dello Stato, Rome. Schmedding 1978 (this is the book on relics in Switzerland, but I don't have the full reference handy at the moment) -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 20:07:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23995 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C1eJF20986; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C1e0t25533; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C1dEt25353 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:39:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-106.frys.com [66.121.20.106]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C1bar29285 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:37:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111112218.00bac460@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020111112218.00bac460@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <9e.20630e7b.29709267@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: keeping shoulders in place Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:27:13 -0800 Status: RO The woman shopkeeper who sold me my first saree said I should pin the over-the-shoulder-hanging-down end (=palu) to my bra strap to keep it from slipping off. I think the Scottish have a special decorated brooch for keeping their over-the-shoulder plaid things in place. >When I do a gown that has widely set shoulders I pin the shoulders to either >the chemise, the partlet or the shoulders of my bodeys (depending which one >works best on that gown). So far I've not had a problem with them drooping. >Corsage pins work well, they are long and slick and if they show they have a >nice pearl on the end. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:41:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24438 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:41:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3EEF28328; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:14:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3E0t19786; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3Dwt19776 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:13:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2199.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.199]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15748 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:14:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3FA969.9C1A8DAD@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Rebecca's link, was: no subject References: <004601c1995d$7e0a5860$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:11:37 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Try www.tudorgroup.co.uk for some excellent folks with some good info on the subject. Mike T. > Or if anyone has any good links of pictures/portraits of Elizabethan men > (preferrably more middle-class) that I can send him? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24460 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:45:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3IDF28575; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:18:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3I0t20934; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3HLt20732 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.140.41]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020112031727.OSHJ15547.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:17:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3C3FAAB3.1F1B0775@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheelchair historicals References: <31935D33B47@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <005601c197ca$01f05480$9c55fe3f@ccc> <3C3A3F73.45F46819@att.net> <002c01c19aa4$8f471940$73882d41@ccc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:17:07 -0500 Status: RO The very same one. I've got to work tomorrow so I won't be at the event, but we'll definitely "run into" each other soon enough. I think it'll be fun! Crissy Heather wrote: > Sounds good to me. Are you the Crissy that works at the JoAnne's By the > University Mall in Tampa? If so, it would be fairly easy to get together. > Moira > > > Moira.... this would be a good challenge for me. It's been quite a while > since > > I've had a good one. We could start plotting after Gulf Wars. ( Sorry I > have a > > period-esque wedding gown to do before then.) > > This could be fun! Wanna try? > > Crissy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 21:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24468 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3KDF28669; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3K0t21631; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3Jit21567 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2199.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.199]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27546 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3C3FAAC2.5A003865@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs References: <200201100047.TAA10877@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:17:23 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Mara, they look like English foundry clogs from the 19th cent. They appear stylistically to be women's, though. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24644 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:06:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3dDF29914; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3d0t26033; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3cat25924 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-67.frys.com [66.121.20.67]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C3b3r32190 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:37:03 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111190704.00bbbe10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:46:18 -0800 Status: RO I just got a German beer stein to use at Ren. Faire. Steins look very German, and un-English, so it doesn't matter to my Landsknecht fair-character that this one's probably a 1930's tourist item. At least it's more period-like than most of the mugs sold at these events. It's heavy grey stoneware with a raised design peeking thru cobalt blue glaze. There are two lions, rampant, one holding a long-handled scoop in one paw, and the other holding a tiny barrel on a long handle (brewers' tools?). Both are resting their other paws on a half-barrel, out of which are sprouting a head of wheat (barley?) and what look like hops. It was made in an at-least-4-piece mold. It has a hinged metal (pewter?) lid and sits about 6" tall. Anyway, there is a ribbon above the lions, and another below, which say "Hopfen u. Malz" (hops and malt?) and "Gott erhalt's" (God something). My German is rusty and my dictionary is somewhere in storage. What does ' erhalt's ' mean? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24721 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3oEF00765; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3o1t28780; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3njt28729 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:49:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.91.167013d1 (3927) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <91.167013d1.29710c5a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:49:46 EST Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/02 9:39:39 PM, kayta@frys.com writes: << "Hopfen u. Malz" (hops and malt?) and "Gott erhalt's" (God something) >> God Recieves. My mom collects this stuff and has a really old one like it, she has the translations on little slips of paper inside each stein or mug or teeny little butter churn. Hops and Malt is correct too. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24733 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:18:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C3pEF00851; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3p1t29006; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3oPt28865 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.17f.1fa078b (3927) for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.1fa078b.29710c7f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:50:23 EST Status: RO In a message dated 11/1/02 9:39:39 PM, kayta@frys.com writes: << tiny barrel on a long handle >> It's a taster. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:27:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24823 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:27:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C40EF01468; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C400t01485; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3xMt01255 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-85.frys.com [66.121.20.85]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C3vnr32689 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:57:49 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111200400.00bb9370@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? In-Reply-To: <91.167013d1.29710c5a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:07:42 -0800 Status: RO ><< "Hopfen u. Malz" (hops and malt?) and "Gott erhalt's" (God something) >> > >God Recieves. My mom collects this stuff and has a really old one like it, >she has the translations on little slips of paper inside each stein or mug or >teeny little butter churn. Hops and Malt is correct too. ><< tiny barrel on a long handle >> >It's a taster. Shows what I know. I've been drinking iced tea out of mine since I got it (washed first). If it's really stoneware, there won't be any lead in the glaze - does your mother know if they are? And, if she has one like mine, how old does she think they are? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24842 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C41EF01531; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C411t01716; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C40Yt01636 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:00:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtn6i.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.220.210]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PFLa-0003LA-00; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:00:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <151.701f11b.296e1460@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org, SCA-GARB@list.uvm.edu From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th-century garb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:51:13 -0800 Status: RO At 11:04 AM -0800 1/11/02, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >?location? >- alb associated with St. Hugo (Schmedding 1978 #289) It's at the Carthusian abbey of La Valsainte in Switzerland, according to Schmedding. >Schmedding 1978 (this is the book on relics in Switzerland, but I >don't have the full reference handy at the moment) _Mittelalterliche Textilien in Kirchen und Kl{o:}stern der Schweiz_, by Brigitta Schmedding, Schriften der Abegg-Stiftung Bern, 1978; ISBN 3-7272-9682-8 -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 22:39:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24984 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:39:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C4CEF02245; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C4C1t04558; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C4B7t04333 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:11:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust98.tnt8.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.236.226] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PFVn-0002f6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:11:20 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3F9767.7030005@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea dying, was sandwiches References: <4.1.20020111105720.00bb8c70@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:54:47 -0500 Status: RO I've never heard about damaging fiber, so I won't comment on that. I must admit, I was never worried about really long term effects. Tea and coffee give you different colors and effects, though. Coffee is darker. For a stage costume, if I'm just dipping down, or I want something to look a bit gently aged, I use tea. When I want something to look really old and dirty (Ex. the tramps in Waiting for Godot) I use coffee. The color will travel to the last area to dry, so you can get some cool effects, to get muddy hems, dirty cuffs, etc. Very natural looking. Anne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Obligatory costume note - is tea dying harmful to fabric? I heard that the >acid in tea can damage the fibres over the years, and that one should use >decaf-coffee for dying instead. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 23:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25717 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:19:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C4pnF04612; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C4pZt16816; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:51:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0C4oJt16307 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 24439 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 04:50:22 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d18.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.18]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0C4oLO02578; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:50:21 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C3FC0D0.EA1C090F@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List , Vintage Clothing Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sites with vintage and antique household linens Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:51:28 -0800 Status: RO I recently decided to buy a new antique or antique-style bedspread with hand embroidery and/or lace. I did a great deal of net searching for one. The search concluded, and my spread being on its way from the merchant, I thought I'd post some of the links I found. 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jan 11 23:48:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26217 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:48:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C5LEF06180; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:21:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5L1t26813; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5KTt26646 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:20:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A51D577C0110; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:09:49 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:29:59 -0600 Status: RO Hello all, Anne Murphy, whom I know from another mailing list, graciously invited me to join in on this mailing list. I would like to begin by giving a brief bit about me :-) I am a fairly complete newbie to the world of costuming. Heck, I am new to sewing. My mother taught me how to use a sewing machine when I was 12 or so, and I didn't touch one until this Summer. The few things I've done were not really historically accurate, nor really all that well put together, but! I had fun, and it's better than showing up at an SCA event wearing nothing at all I am sure I will learn a lot from y'all :-) I work as a disability rights advocate, mostly. I use a manual wheelchair, as I'm a paraplegic. In a "prior life" I was a chef by trade. I feel I could say much more, but then, I guess you'll all get to know me, or not :-) On the topic of dealing with a chair and skirts... Well, I might be a guy, but I do have a couple ideas about this :-) When my wife was alive, we devised a way to mount half a hoola hoop to the front of her chair, with a "return U" so any material wouldn't just slide off and into the wheels. I can draw a quick graphic if anyone would like to see. I fear I have no pictures of it anywhere :-( Someone suggested: <> This isn't really a good idea, as it stands. Perhaps with some work. The reason it's not such a good idea is because the way to reach the wheels seems to be very limited, and probably wouldn't afford one the reach/leverage needed to push a chair... That is, if we're talking manual wheelchair. It's worth exploring though :-) Someone mentionned joining the SCA-Disabilities list. I'm on that list. If you have a disability or have a loved one who does, please come on in. One of the thoughts we're currently kicking around is the formation of an SCA wide Household that would work on providing resources to autocrats and other offices so their event sites are accessible... Looking for people interested in getting involved in a *working* household :-) Someone else said: <> Each time I hear this suggestion, I have heckles go up in the back of my neck... I shall give the benefit of the doubt to the person who said this. Alas, too often this suggestion is made with the idea of wanting to *hide* the chair. It's one thing to want to decorate a chair, but let's not do it for the wrong reasons. Yes, I'm one of those "I'm a gimp and I'm proud" kinda guy :-) On the topic of slip covers: <> M'lady, I beg to differ... Less and less folks using chairs go for these colours... My chair is the shifting colour of oil on water in the sunshine. Many chair are cherry red (my wife's was). Electric blue. Neon Yellow. Lime green. And many other colours. Someone mentionned wheelchairs not being "period". Here again I beg to differ. Of course, chairs as we know them today weren't period. Especially not power chairs (electric chair makes me think of a completely different type of chairs ). But there is documentation I believe for wheelchairs going back to the 1400's or so. I myself do not have it, but can get it through someone else if you are interested. On the topic of corsets riding up... Well, I oft wear a back brace that many have compared to a corset :-) The reason it doesnt' ride UP is because it's stopped at the armpit... Perhaps that concept can be used? Another thought would be to have a belt/hooks system. Sit on the belt, get the hooks at the bottom of the corset to attach to the belt, and the thing won't ride up. These are just a few quick thoughts... Other concerns I know happen are such as: -alternate method of fastening clothes that don't disrupt the period look, yet allow one with arthritis to fasten the garments. -reinforcement of sides where garments may/will rub on chairs and wear out. Shame to wear out a garment in a few outings... -I'm drawing a blank, brain farting :-( Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26398 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C5ZEF07053; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:35:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5Z0t00701; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C5Yit00661 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:34:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m204.in-tch.com [216.166.191.204]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0C5NeL26765 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:23:41 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C3FCBFD.358067CE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:39:09 -0700 Status: RO Ah, but you've got great long hair, a wonderful new Big Blak Dawg (tm), and you _cook_..... --Sue (maire on the sca-cooks list....heh, heh, heh....we're *everywhere*) Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > > Hello all, > > Anne Murphy, whom I know from another mailing list, graciously invited me > to join in on this mailing list. I would like to begin by giving a brief > bit about me :-) > > I am a fairly complete newbie to the world of costuming. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26838 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C67FF08882; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:07:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C670t07625; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C66Ct07449 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:06:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from 2cust98.tnt8.nyc3.da.uu.net ([67.194.236.226] helo=earthlink.net) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PHJA-0001ul-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:06:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3C3FD276.2070901@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> <3C3FCBFD.358067CE@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:06:46 -0500 Status: RO OK, I should have warned him there'd be familiar people... but I thought he'd be interested in this discussion. He'd asked me a question about historic costume a few months ago, because he (correctly) didn't trust something in a pattern. So I also thought he'd fit in. Anne Sue Clemenger wrote: >Ah, but you've got great long hair, a wonderful new Big Blak Dawg (tm), >and you _cook_..... >--Sue (maire on the sca-cooks list....heh, heh, heh....we're >*everywhere*) > >Gorgeous Muiredach wrote: > >>Hello all, >> >>Anne Murphy, whom I know from another mailing list, graciously invited me >>to join in on this mailing list. I would like to begin by giving a brief >>bit about me :-) >> >>I am a fairly complete newbie to the world of costuming. >> > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 00:46:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27084 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:46:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0C6JEF09480; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C6J0t10302; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C6INt10146 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:18:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (ppp-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C6Gnr03854 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:16:50 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:26:43 -0800 Status: RO >Well, I might be a guy, Guys often have very helpful ideas about what women look good in. ><itself. This will tend to frame the sitter whatever he/she is wearing. > >Each time I hear this suggestion, I have hackles go up in the back of my >neck... I shall give the benefit of the doubt to the person who said >this. I'm the one who said this, and I meant decorate. What I had in mind is to make a plain chair look like a very fancy chair, like with re-upholstered arms and a drape down the back. It's the difference between my mother's chrome and plastic kitchen chairs and my grandmother's antique front-room chairs. A slipcover would solve the decorating problem in such a way that nothing slid out of place and interfered with the wheels. And you could make pockets in the sides of the chair arm covers. Yes, I'm one of those "I'm a gimp and I'm >proud" kinda guy :-) I met a guy in Australia who said "If you can't take advantage of your disability, you don't deserve to be crippled", in 1982, after he had successfully faced down an anxious but stopped car which wanted to drive thru the marked crosswalk he was about to use. ><> > >M'lady, I beg to differ... Less and less folks using chairs go for these >colours... My chair is the shifting colour of oil on water in the >sunshine. Many chair are cherry red (my wife's was). Electric blue. Neon >Yellow. Lime green. And many other colours. That makes me old. They always used to come in black and chrome only. And my housemate's chairs are both in those colours. >Someone mentionned wheelchairs not being "period". Here again I beg to >differ. Of course, chairs as we know them today weren't >period. Especially not power chairs (electric chair makes me think of a >completely different type of chairs ). But there is documentation I >believe for wheelchairs going back to the 1400's or so. I myself do not >have it, but can get it through someone else if you are interested. I agree that wheeled chairs for those who need them go way back (I saw a picture of one from the mid-1700's just yesterday). But my housemate's newer chair is definitely not period (it has more features than my car does). I think I was trying to say that while motorized chairs aren't period, chairs are one thing everyone will forgive for not being period, and they might as well look as fancy as the rest of your outfit. >-alternate method of fastening clothes that don't disrupt the period look, >yet allow one with arthritis to fasten the garments. If the fasteners don't show, who's to know if they're period or not? (Someone in a Victorian costume workshop asked the instructor what if someone noticed his trousers fly zipped instead of buttoning, and the instructor said "If they're that close, they're not interested in authenticity".) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 08:04:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32628 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:04:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CDbbF25335; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:37:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CDb1t11351; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CDaRt11101 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.13d.79a61ce (16783) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.79a61ce.297195e2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:36:34 EST Status: RO --part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kayta and everyone: The Saying Hopfen und Malz -Gott erhalts means: Hops and Malt - May God keep and preserve them. It is an old saying used in Bavaria. How old? I am not sure. But Hops and Malt are the ingredient for brewing beer. In Bavaria in Weihenstephan to be exact is a University for Brewers. Yes, a University. Brewing is considered a science like medicine, law etc. The Bavarians take brewing very seriously. In Bavaria they have documented laws dating back into the 1500s about the brewing of beer. Within the last year however documents were discovered in Thuringia dating even further back about the same subject. I am originally from Bavaria. I am not a beer drinker however, but the saying and the facts about the brewing laws were taught to us in elementary school. Not to encourage beer drinking but as cultural history. Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times. The type of Bierstein you are describing is a very traditional old style. Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful. But most Germans do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but similar. As to the tools the animals are holding yes both are brewers tools. If you really want more info I am sure you can find it somewhere on the Internet, but I figured the saying was what you really wanted to know about! Elisabeth von Hahn (SCA Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg) --part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kayta and everyone:

The Saying Hopfen und Malz -Gott erhalts means:

      Hops and Malt - May God keep and preserve them.

It is an old saying used in Bavaria.  How old?  I am not sure.  But Hops and Malt are the ingredient for brewing beer.  In Bavaria in Weihenstephan to be exact is a University for Brewers.  Yes, a University.  Brewing is considered a science like medicine, law etc.  The Bavarians take brewing very seriously.  In Bavaria they have documented laws dating back into the 1500s about the brewing of beer.  Within the last year however documents were discovered in Thuringia dating even further back about the same subject.  I am originally from Bavaria.  I am not a beer drinker however, but the saying and the facts about the brewing laws were taught to us in elementary school.  Not to encourage beer drinking but as cultural history.
Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times.
The type of Bierstein you are describing is a very traditional old style.  Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful.  But most Germans do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but similar.
As to the tools the animals are holding yes both are brewers tools.
If you really want more info I am sure you can find it somewhere on the Internet, but I figured the saying was what you really wanted to know about!
Elisabeth von Hahn
(SCA Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg)


--part1_13d.79a61ce.297195e2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:03:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02734 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:03:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CGaHF04570; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGa0t15225; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0CGZjt15173 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:35:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4447 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 16:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.110) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 16:35:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3C406637.39B84AD8@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric questions References: <20020111163202.46266.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:37:10 -0600 Status: RO Sidonia Ros wrote: > > Second, I am working on a lower middle > class/campfollower gown for the German guild at my > faire and have had it suggested to me that I could use > either wool or brushed denim. Now did brushed denim > exist in the renaissance? If so, would it have > necessarily been used by a lower clas individual. If > it didn't exist, what would be the purpose in > suggesting the fabric; what is it supposed to > simulate? While there was cotton in Europe before 1600, it doesn't seem to have been made into fabric as commonly as it was used to make stuffing for padded clothing or other objects. Which isn't to say that it _wasn't_ made into fabric, just that it doesn't seem to have been as common as wool (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone!). Here are a couple of sites that have a bit of info on this: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/periodfab.html http://users.aol.com/maist/cotton1.htm Twill (denim is twill) was of course a weave that had been used for centuries, and it could be that the person who suggested brushed denim wanted to give you a less expensive option that would have the weight and surface (though not the drape) of a heavy wool fabric. Denim, unless you get a really really soft one, will be much crisper and stiffer than a dress-weight wool. As has been pointed out, you can get finer and cooler wools, but you'll pay much more for them than you will for brushed denim. Happy Shopping! Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:22:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02982 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:22:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CGtHF05792; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:55:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGt1t19417; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGs5t19215 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.18e.1b271b0 (18709) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:54:14 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.1b271b0.2971c436@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:54:14 EST Status: RO Most of Momma's steins are from the 1800's, the oldest piece is from 1790, the newest is from about 1910. That's one of the things that scares me about the mold thing-she's an antique dealer, her house is full of antiques that cannot be replaced in todays market at any price. All of the stuff in there would have to be destroyed, as a good deal of it is wood. All of the furniture I grew up with that I'd planned on passing down to MY kids. The rocking chair my great great great grandfather made for my equally great grandmother when she was pregnant for the first time, how could that be replaced? by a new rocker from Macy's? I think not. I've got to stop crying about this, there's nothing that can be done. Sorry, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:24:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03014 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CGvGF05960; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:57:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGv0t19929; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CGuUt19843 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:56:41 -0800 Received: from 66.72.180.125 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:56:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.72.180.125] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2002 16:56:41.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B617B10:01C19B8A] Subject: [h-cost] Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:56:40 -0500 Status: RO This question is for the weavers, spinners, etc on the list... I've grown tired of the yarn stores in the Detroit area, and happen to begoing to Chicago next weekend. I'm hoping that someone can recommend a shop or two that are good. (I'm really hoping for something along the lines of Vogue for fabric, but for yarn and wool) Any advice? Parsla _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 11:43:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03289 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CHGHF07243; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:16:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CHG0t24167; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CHFct24087 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:15:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACBD39FF00AC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:05:01 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112112227.01a4ce78@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:24:38 -0600 Status: RO Parsla, I have no clue myself, but know someone who might, though I doubt she's on this list. I'll forward your mail to her and she might be able to help you. I'm in Chicago. :-) If you have some time, you might want to come by an SCA 12th night event on the Saturday. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:34:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04041 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:34:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CI7IF10455; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:07:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CI70t06112; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm14.jersey.juno.com (wm14.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.234]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CI6Vt05940 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCktRXSg/8rJyr4T471GHeqgZuhTVK6Maow=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm14.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYL482D; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:06:22 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020112.130622.580.57745@wm14.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:06:20 GMT Status: RO It appears that there will be several of us from the list at 12th Night. This might be a great opportunity to get together for a chat or lunch or something. How will we recognize each other? The classic big, red 'H'? Karen ---------- Gorgeous Muiredach writes: From: Gorgeous Muiredach To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:24:38 -0600 Parsla, I have no clue myself, but know someone who might, though I doubt she's on this list. I'll forward your mail to her and she might be able to help you. I'm in Chicago. :-) If you have some time, you might want to come by an SCA 12th night event on the Saturday. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04197 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIJHF11087; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIJ0t09114; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIIBt08924 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:18:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvggUj/h66ISmzC33x815SA="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYMSMLC; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:18:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Message-ID: <20020112.101631.-136903.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] SCA-disabilities list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:11:47 +0000 Status: RO Could someone kindly post the SCA disabilities list address again? I accidently deleted it. Thanks! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04213 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIJRF11128; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIJAt09194; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIIkt09074 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:18:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB8A678300A4; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:08:10 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112122437.0454f840@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <20020112.130622.580.57745@wm14.jersey.juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:27:40 -0600 Status: RO At 12:06 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >It appears that there will be several of us from the list at 12th Night. >This might be a great opportunity to get together for a chat or lunch or >something. How will we recognize each other? The classic big, red 'H'? Dunno about what the classic big red H is :-) I think I'll be fairly easy to spot... Probably the only guy in a manual wheelchair wearing a "kilt" with long hair The kilt only is not an identifier at an SCA event, though it is if I do disability rights events. The chair alone is not an identifier when I do disability rights events... Put all together, you can't miss me :-) Here's another help, picture of me: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/temp/wixpix.html Note that the page is meant for pictures o my Big Blak Dawg (tm), but there's one of me there. Wixie shan't be with me at 12th night, as our training together isn't far enough along yet :-( I invite anyone to come to me and chat :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 12:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04217 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:46:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIJNF11104; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIJ6t09147; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:19:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIIFt08951 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvggUj/h66ISclJl+lvh6NM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYMSMB2; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:18:03 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... Message-ID: <20020112.101630.-136903.6.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-5,7-8,15-16,18-19,22-27 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:09:07 +0000 Status: RO > >-alternate method of fastening clothes that don't disrupt the > period look, yet allow one with arthritis to fasten the garments. Can you manage velcro tabs? You could embellish the tops of them to look like a period fastener, but they would be much easier to manage. If people can't deal with the fact you have to adjust your clothes for a disability, that's their tough luck! I've had rheumatoid arthritis for 19 years, and while I am not in your situation, and my garb is about three centuries earlier, I too have made adjustments. My skirts are a little longer in back then in front, falling to the tops of my feet in the front so they aren't a tripping hazard. All of my clothes are pull-over--cottes and sideless surcoats. I can toss my veil over my head and hold it in place with my Laurel circlet--no, I'm a music Laurel :) I haven't figured out shoes yet. I have really good modern walking shoes with velcro closures. I can appreciate your drive for authenticity--I seek it too in the arts I pursue--but independence is a huge, HUGE thing and being able to handle as much on your own as possible is something to be treasured. Good luck! :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 13:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04416 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:02:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CIZHF12260; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIZ1t12999; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CIYLt12839 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF3124E000F0; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:23:45 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112123209.044a8e80@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] SCA-disabilities list In-Reply-To: <20020112.101631.-136903.7.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:43:25 -0600 Status: RO At 04:11 AM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >Could someone kindly post the SCA disabilities list address again? The one I take part in is a Yahoo Group, called SCA Disabilities. You would go to Yahoo, and follow instructions: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Disabilities/ Hope to see you there soon Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 13:41:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04990 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:41:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CJEJF14464; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:14:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJE1t21884; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm8.jersey.juno.com (wm8.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJDot21819 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:13:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCktRXSg/8rJyEuvlZZhQ2SMWqNiNNyqkfA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm8.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQYQX833; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:13:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chic ago? X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020112.141332.535.57320@wm8.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:13:27 GMT Status: RO The Big Red 'H', started as a way for list members to recognize each other at events we might attend. Generally it involves writing an 'H' on your name tag if there is one or wearing a piece of cloth or paper with a red 'H' on it pinned to your costume. Since you are going to be one of the more easily recognizable people there, are you volunteering to be a rendezvous point? (She says grinning evily) Karen ---------- Gorgeous Muiredach writes: From: Gorgeous Muiredach To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chicago? Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:27:40 -0600 At 12:06 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >It appears that there will be several of us from the list at 12th Night. >This might be a great opportunity to get together for a chat or lunch or >something. How will we recognize each other? The classic big, red 'H'? Dunno about what the classic big red H is :-) I think I'll be fairly easy to spot... Probably the only guy in a manual wheelchair wearing a "kilt" with long hair The kilt only is not an identifier at an SCA event, though it is if I do disability rights events. The chair alone is not an identifier when I do disability rights events... Put all together, you can't miss me :-) Here's another help, picture of me: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/temp/wixpix.html Note that the page is meant for pictures o my Big Blak Dawg (tm), but there's one of me there. Wixie shan't be with me at 12th night, as our training together isn't far enough along yet :-( I invite anyone to come to me and chat :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 14:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05326 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:05:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CJcIF16292; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJc1t27430; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CJbSt27275 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:37:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADFC6F6F00F8; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:26:52 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112134109.044b33e8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re:Re:Re: [h-cost] 12th Night in Chicago- Was: Yarn/Wool shop in Chic ago? In-Reply-To: <20020112.141332.535.57320@wm8.jersey.juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:43:19 -0600 Status: RO At 01:13 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >The Big Red 'H', started as a way for list members to recognize each other >at events we might attend. Generally it involves writing an 'H' on your >name tag if there is one or wearing a piece of cloth or paper with a red >'H' on it pinned to your costume. Since you are going to be one of the >more easily recognizable people there, are you volunteering to be a >rendezvous point? (She says grinning evily) Ahhh, makes sense... I don't particularly feel like wearing an H. Reminds me too much of the preparation of the same name If you don't mind a moving rendez-vous point, I don't mind :-) See you there then! Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 14:31:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05715 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:31:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CK4IF18337; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CK40t03842; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.math.TU-Berlin.DE (mail.math.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.12.212]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CK3jt03786 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:03:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE (octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE [130.149.13.37]) by mail.math.TU-Berlin.DE (8.12.0.Beta10/8.12.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id g0CK3x7N026747; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:03:59 +0100 (MET) From: Barbara Maren Winkler Received: (from barbara@localhost) by octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27266; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:04:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> In-Reply-To: <200201121656.g0CGuMt19819@net.indra.com> from "h-costume-request@indra.com" at "Jan 12, 2002 9:56:22 am" To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: barbara@math.TU-Berlin.DE (Barbara Maren Winkler) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL44+ (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:04:00 +0100 (MET) Status: RO Hi Kayta and Elisabeth, > Dear Kayta and everyone: > > The Saying Hopfen und Malz -Gott erhalts means: > > Hops and Malt - May God keep and preserve them. Yes, thanks for saying it! "erhalten" can mean both "to receive" and "to preserve", but here the intended meaning is "preserve". > It is an old saying used in Bavaria. How old? I am not sure. But Hops and > Malt are the ingredient for brewing beer. Actually, there is a the "deutsches Reinheitsgebot", "German purity law" which regulates that beer can only be made of four ingredients, hops, barley, malt, and water. It was in effect until a few years ago, meaning that anything made differently (for example containing preservatives) could not be sold on the German market as "beer". The European Union finally forced the German legislators to cancel this law, because it supposedly interfered with equal trading within the European Union. > Beer is also referred to as "liquid bread" at times. It's also made of grains, and it has quite a lot of calories (from the alcohol). > The type of Bierstein you are describing is a very traditional old style. Are you sure? To me, it sounds awfully tacky. From potters I know around here, I thought I knew that blue glazes on pottery only became known and popular from the end of the 19th century. Well, at least for common people. > Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful. But most Germans > do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but > similar. I have lived in Germany all my life and often am together with friends who drink beer. Almost never have I seen anyone drink beer from such a stoneware pot. Beer is always served in glasses, everywhere. I have only seen it served in stoneware pots in historical breweries, for example in Kulmbach. Which is Bavaria. It could be a Bavarian tradition (that I don't know), but even in the beer gardens in Munich, capital of Bavaria, beer is usually served in glasses. Besides -- if it was German, it would be "Bierstein", one word, but I have never heard it. Such a thing -- a stoneware pot for drinking beer, maybe with a lid -- is called "Humpen", which my dictionary translates as "tankard". Most Germans, definitely, do not drink their beer from Humpen, most of the time. > That's one of the things that scares me about > the mold thing-she's an antique dealer, her house is full of antiques that > cannot be replaced in todays market at any price. All of the stuff in there > would have to be destroyed, as a good deal of it is wood. ... sorry, why would antiques of necessity have to be destroyed? Just because they are wooden? Couldn't keep quiet, Barbara Maren _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 15:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06124 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:00:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CKXIF20516; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:33:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CKX0t10170; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CKWVt10055 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:32:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from kat.optonline.net (ool-18bbaa6a.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.170.106]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GPU007EJEEJCZ@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Purple Kat Subject: Re: [h-cost] SCA-disabilities list In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020112123209.044a8e80@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: purplkat@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020112153154.00dd4660@mail.optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020112.101631.-136903.7.Cley@juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:33:02 -0500 Status: RO At 1/12/2002 01:43 PM, you wrote: >At 04:11 AM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >>Could someone kindly post the SCA disabilities list address again? > >The one I take part in is a Yahoo Group, called SCA Disabilities. >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCA-Disabilities/ or medievaldisableds@yahoogroups.com Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 16:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07172 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:07:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CLeJF25196; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:40:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CLe1t23727; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CLdat23662 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.8d.1247817d (3925) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:39:43 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.1247817d.2972071f@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Bierstein/mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:39:43 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/02 2:07:20 PM, barbara@math.TU-Berlin.DE writes: << ... sorry, why would antiques of necessity have to be destroyed? Just because they are wooden? >> Anything that has toxic mold on it would have to be destroyed as the spores are inside of it. Wood is the easiest for it to attack due to the grain however cloth, books, papers, rugs (there goes the Persian), drapes, fabrics of any and all types, ceramics, photographs, bisques, porcelain, plastics, basically anything that it can get into or onto would have to be destroyed as there's no way to kill it and it can kill you. It also destroys things on it's own so it's not even a case of try to keep it down and go on. The materials (wood, paper plastic, fabric) that are in the house would eventually desentegrate. Metals seem to be the only thing safe from it. They bring a Haz Mat team in and dismantle and remove anything that tests positive for the mold. That may be your whole house or only a part of it. If only a part, it can be fixed if not... There was a family in the next town over that the team came in, dismantled the house, removed 6 feet of dirt from where the house once stood and THEN sprayed chemicals in the hole. They took the house bits out in the desert and burned it and sprayed the ashes. We're not talking something that a little Lysol or bleach will take care of, if only it were so. I'm still in shock over this whole thing so forgive me if I over answered a bit. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 17:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09089 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CNJJF02061; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNJ0t16009; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0CNIQt15879 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16999 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2002 23:18:40 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2002 23:18:40 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d227.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.227]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0CNIdg05876 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:18:39 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C40C494.51AB3AA8@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] On-line sources for reproduction parasols Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:19:48 -0800 Status: RO Barrington Brolly http://www.barringtonbrolly.com/ Modern and reproduction parasols and umbrellas. Does custom work Buckaroo Bobbins General Store http://www.agoldmine.com/toc.html Two styles of lace parasols (as well as "Old West" theme clothing, patterns and sundries) Decorator's Box http://www.decoratorsbox.com/batlacpar.html Battenberg lace parasols Sara's Parasols http://www.sarasparasols.com/ Synthetic parasols displayed, but they will fulfil customer requests for different fabrics and trims Underbelly http://www.underbelly.net/parasolpage.html Seems to be exclusively custom work -- --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 18:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09371 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0CNcIF03024; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:38:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNc0t20124; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05bw.bigpond.com (mta05bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.95]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0CNbVt19976 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:37:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.72]) by mta05bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPUNAK00.2G8 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:44:44 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-73.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.73]) by bwmam02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 11/344520); 13 Jan 2002 09:37:40 Message-ID: <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: AndyCO. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:44:27 -0800 Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Kimberly Tribe wrote: > >> And if anyone has done such a wide necked gown, can you tell me if a >> drawstring at the neckline would actually work to keep the sleeves >> *on* the shoulders? That is what is suggested, but never having tried >> it myself, I wonder. > > > I have done several wide necked gowns, and a drawstring is not > necessary. If you make the straps at the proper angle to the rest of > the bodice, and if you make them snug enough, they will stay on unless > you have really slopey shoulders. The proper angle is something you > have to decide for yourself, but something less than 90 degrees (when > measured from the horizontal front neckline) is useful. I don't know > what Hunnisett's pattern looks like, but take a look at Janet Arnold's > Patterns of Fashion (1560-1620), page 9, which has her conjectured > pattern of the Phoenix gown. You'll see that the straps angle in > towards center front. The patterns in Juan de Alcega's Pattern Book > (from 1589) look the same (he was Arnold's source, in fact). Ack! I needed to know this a year ago! I have always wondered about that strap angle actually, because it has always seemed to me that the opposite is true - the strap angle should be greater than 90 degrees. I thought an angle less than 90 would give you a wrinkle by the armpit when it bent back to 90 degrees. I guess I was wrong. My Tudor gown has a wrinkle in that spot anyway. I need to seriously rework the whole armsceye/shoulder area on that gown. Oh well... (Oh and was it here people were talking about yardage - I made my Tudor gown out of 4.5m of fabric (not including linings etc) Not quite sure how I managed that, especially since it has a 50cm train. However it is an open-fronted skirt, wchich is gored to fit everywhere except the back pleats. And the sleeves are a bit scantier than I would have liked.) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 18:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10088 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:46:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0JSF05600; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0J0t29148; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0IPt29022 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.7.224]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GPUOV500.76S for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:18:41 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: "Hcost" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Linen blend at Joann's Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:14:49 -0800 Status: RO I just got back from Joann's. Decent Linen/cotton blend black, white, and good colors for $4.99 a yard. The store nearest me had quite a bit in stock. Unfortunately, I couldn't indulge--today. Hopefully there will still be some when I can get back! :) Just passing the word. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:02:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10351 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:02:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0ZIF06468; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0Z0t02542; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:35:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0Ydt02476 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11726 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p44.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.172]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05592 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:34:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs In-Reply-To: <200201102138.NAA17752@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:30:18 -0500 Status: RO At 01:38 PM 01/10/2002 -0800, you wrote: >English clogs tend to look a little different. Picture a wooden sole >with a regular lace-up shoe upper nailed to the sole. Here, I finally >found a website with photos. > >http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/ >http://subscriber.scoot.co.uk/walkley_clogs/page2.htm > >Walkey's are one of the largest clog manufacturers left. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Cool, thanks! I see they've got slip-ons at the bottom of their catalog page. Anyone know how long they've had that form (the lace-up type)? Is that a Victorian form, or does it date earlier? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10416 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0dJF06665; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0d1t03293; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0D0cnt03206 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:38:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5886 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 00:39:05 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 00:39:05 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d227.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.227]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g0D0d4g20022 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:39:04 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C40D76D.877655D0@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historic Costume Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:40:13 -0800 Status: RO What's going on here is, I continually try to investigate every interesting link I see (on the web or in a print ad) related in some way to historic clothing. I browse the site. I stick the link at the end of my bookmarks file--not in one of the categories I so carefully set up--and forget about it. Weeks or months later, I have dozens of uncategorized links and I don't remember what the sites are like. When it gets too unmanageable, I have to go through all the links and browse the sites again so I can file them properly. That's what I'm doing now. I figured other people might as well benefit. These are all sites I've browsed since--I don't really want to contemplate how long it's been since I cleaned up my links. A while. I haven't bought anything from most of these sites, but they do, even at second glace, look worth filing for future reference. Fran BridalFabric.com http://www.bridalfabric.com Bridal fabrics, synthetic and natural, at discount prices. Also tiaras Decorator Fabrics http://www.decofab.com/decofab2.htm Discount drapery and upholstery fabrics Designer Discount Fabrics http://www.desigfab.com Does not really have their inventory on-line; you need to ask for swatches. Lovely picture of their "silk room" but no scans of individual silks Fabric Collections http://www.fabriccollections.com This site doesn't seem to be all the way up yet. They are offering a swatch service The Fabric Directory http://www.interiormall.com/cat/FabricsOnline.html Drapery and upholstery fabrics Fishman's Fabrics http://www.fishmansfabrics.com/ Classy apparel and decorating fabrics. They have pictures of their store, but if you want to see pictures of individual fabrics click on "Color Cards" HouseFabric.com http://www.housefabric.com/ Discount drapery and upholstery fabrics Trim Fabric http://www.TrimFabric.com/ Discount fabric store (including additional discounts for bolts). Includes a reasonable selection of solid-colored natural fibers VelvetFabric.com http://store.yahoo.com/velvet-fabric/ Not just velvets, but brocades, damasks, satins, and linens. They don't seem to have all the inventory up yet White Fox Trading Company http://www.whitefoxtrading.com Printed fabrics of the 18th and early 19th century, plus some notions and patterns --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:09:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10440 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:09:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D0gIF06978; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0g0t03805; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D0fit03759 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:41:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12477 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p44.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.172]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06002 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:41:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200201130041.TAA06002@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:37:24 -0500 Status: RO At 03:28 PM 01/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I like them for the noise they make ;) That, plus they really keep my feet dry if it's raining at the Wool and Sheep festival. >That being said, I'm not sure holdover is the right word, since wooden soled >shoes were worn even in this country until the early 20th century (and for >clog dancers, even more recently), but I'd say that these were real live >honest to goodness clogs. > >Marc Any wild-a** guesses as to date and likely origin? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 19:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10847 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:36:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D19JF08874; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:09:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D191t09238; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0D18nt09078 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:08:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9304 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 01:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.238.150) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 01:09:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3C40DE79.F99FD96F@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Pattern Question References: <866D7CEB7BC74CC44A994112A04A7135@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <3C3EF4BC.2690EBC@faucet.net> <3C41D58B.7090902@bigpond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:10:16 -0600 Status: RO Claire Clarke wrote: > > Ack! I needed to know this a year ago! Um..sorry... > I have always wondered about that strap angle actually, because it has > always seemed to me that > the opposite is true - the strap angle should be greater than 90 > degrees. I thought an angle > less than 90 would give you a wrinkle by the armpit when it bent back to > 90 degrees. Well, part of it is that, at least on Elizabethan, the horizontal front of the neckline is not quite horizontal, but instead is an arch. So you're not getting 90 degrees anyway. Perhaps this is obvious, but just in case: it may also transpire, in fitting, that because of the slope of the shoulder and the angle of the strap, the strap might have to curve to meet the back of the bodice at the proper location. Just flipping through my Holbein book, it looks like some of the Tudor necklines were arched as well, and many of them look to have a less-than-90-degree angle at the strap. Of course, there's the whole pin-on-placket issue, and I suppose you can make the top of it any shape you like. In addition, there's the possible-v-back issue (see Holbein's sketch of the Unknown Lady from 1535, front and back), which would make an acute angle necessary and help tremendously in keeping the straps up, especially considering the weight of Tudor sleeves. > I need to > seriously rework the > whole armsceye/shoulder area on that gown. If you're anywhere near the Milwaukee area, I would be happy to assist in any way I can with the fitting. I have Garb Workdays twice a month in the costume shop where I work. Good luck! 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:00:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12989 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:00:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D3XJF18046; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3X0t07016; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3WXt06912 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D3V4r21611 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:31:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133126.00bbb100@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133126.00bbb100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? In-Reply-To: <18e.1b271b0.2971c436@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:32:42 -0800 Status: RO That's one of the things that scares me about >the mold thing-she's an antique dealer, her house is full of antiques that >cannot be replaced in todays market at any price. All of the stuff in there >would have to be destroyed, as a good deal of it is wood. Please explain? How does the fact that my stein was made using a mold mean anything would have to be destroyed? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13019 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:01:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D3YmF18183; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3YUt07266; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3WZt06926 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D3V6r21614 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:31:06 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133415.00bb9260@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020112133415.00bb9260@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? In-Reply-To: <200201122004.VAA27266@octopussy.math.TU-Berlin.DE> References: <200201121656.g0CGuMt19819@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:22:42 -0800 Status: RO >> Usually ones made for tourists were and are very colorful. But most Germans >> do drink their beer out of a stein, mostly plainer than you describe, but >> similar. I see badly made coloured ones, and they make even the good coloured ones look touristy. The good coloured ones are too expensive to risk using, and are usually too big anyway. Surviving 1500's-1600's examples I have seen sometimes have hinged lids, scratched or raised designs, or that same grey clay body. I've also seen salt-glazed examples in a dull iron-oxide-yellow. >I have only seen it served in stoneware pots >in historical breweries, for example in Kulmbach. I see these in thrift stores in California, plain but with the brewer's logo on them in blue. >Besides -- if it was German, it would be "Bierstein", one word, >but I have never heard it. Such a thing -- a stoneware pot for >drinking beer, maybe with a lid -- is called "Humpen", which my >dictionary translates as "tankard". Most Germans, definitely, >do not drink their beer from Humpen, most of the time. The popular American image of a German includes one of these Humpen, so my Ren. Faire character has one. And if my German were better, I might have said Bierstein - hey, I remembered to capitalize the nouns, and got 'i' and 'e' in the right places. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13044 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:03:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D3aDF18255; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3Zst07588; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:35:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D3Wct06936 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-78.frys.com [66.121.20.78]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D3V8r21617 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:31:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112142610.00bb8100@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: <4.1.20020112142610.00bb8100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <20020112.101630.-136903.6.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:40:10 -0800 Status: RO >If people can't deal with the fact you have to adjust your clothes for a >disability, that's their tough luck! My guess is that your level of independence, at your level of disability, isn't 'period' either, speaking of other people's tough luck. My chair-bound housemate would have died from 1500's medical science. And if, by some series of miracles, he had lived, he certainly wouldn't have had his cool chair, his van, etc. Makes me glad I live in this century and only visit the other ones. As for shoes, I'd recommend plain black, or some other dark colour which will sort of disappear under your skirt hem. Try to find a period-looking toe shape, if this is possible. I'm a real stickler about authenticity, but I don't spend much time in my authentic-looking shoes, preferring more padding than they had underfoot. So either I tough it out in my authentic-looking ones, or I opt for comfort and padding (modern gel insoles - YES!). I'd like to say a thing in defense of us authenticity sticklers. It is our passion to do things as accurately as we can, for our own sake, and to pass on our knowledge. The wise among us do this by teaching, by answering questions, and by helping those who have asked for it. The rude ones confront people with their little inaccuracies, which is not a period thing to do in the first place, and doing it doesn't make anything better anyway. But on this list we're here to help, to answer your questions, to point out resources, and to learn things too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 22:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13627 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:47:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D4KKF20501; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D4K1t15383; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D4Jft15323 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.172.2061ae4 (3948) for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <172.2061ae4.297264e6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bier Stein Deutsch, bitte? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:19:50 EST Status: RO In a message dated 12/1/02 9:35:04 PM, kayta@frys.com writes: << Please explain? How does the fact that my stein was made using a mold mean anything would have to be destroyed? >> Sorry Katya, I've (ewww) got mold on the brain right now. My mother's house has toxic mold, we have people coming out next week to let us know how much of it must be destroyed. NOT your mug, her house. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jan 12 23:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14343 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D5CKF23916; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:12:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D5C0t25504; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0D5Bet25451 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:11:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 98349 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2002 05:11:36 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-64.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.64) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2002 05:11:36 -0000 Message-ID: <005601c19be8$4ed6c320$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:10:58 -0500 Status: RO The collectors who bought the original "jump" dress and Rose's pink coat (worn during the sinking scenes) contacted me a couple of weeks ago, and we have been chatting back and forth ever since. They graciously agreed to share some photographs of the outfits with me and have allowed me to place them on my site for others to drool over. I've also written up all of the excruciating details of the "jump" dress's construction (including what it is made out of it, how it is lined and fastened, etc.). I got all of this info from e-mails and a two-hour phone conversation today. Mysteries revealed at last! Go to http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm to enjoy! The collectors who bought these costumes do have plans to get them professionally photographed on display mannequins and publish those pictures in a full-color booklet (HALLELUJAH!). Until then, I am able to share eight photographs they took themselves. Have fun! Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 00:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14720 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:08:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D5fKF25600; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D5f0t01532; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D5eZt01439 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:40:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OpKShkhD3GJ5H5oplUyEeFM="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GQZUT9ZN; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:40:31 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... Message-ID: <20020112.213912.-136903.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-6,8-9,11,13-15,17-20,22,24,26-29,32-34,36-38,40-41,43,45-47,50-52 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:39:00 +0000 Status: RO Kayta writes: > My guess is that your level of independence, at your level of > disability, isn't 'period' either, speaking of other people's tough luck. My > chair-bound housemate would have died from 1500's medical science. In all likelihood, i would have also, within the first two years of diagnosis. Been very, very lucky. > And if, by some series of miracles, he had lived, he certainly wouldn't have > had his cool chair, his van, etc. Makes me glad I live in this century > and only visit the other ones. Ditto! For me, it's good drugs, physical therapy, and lots of understanding and physical and emotional support. :-) > > As for shoes, I'd recommend plain black, or some other dark colour > which will sort of disappear under your skirt hem. Try to find a > period-looking toe shape, if this is possible. I'm a real stickler about > authenticity, but I don't spend much time in my authentic-looking shoes, > preferring more padding than they had underfoot. So either I tough it out in my > authentic-looking ones, or I opt for comfort and padding (modern gel > insoles - YES!). Mine are black New Balance walking shoes. Before when I could wear the Chinese-type slippers I always put two pairs of insoles in each shoe. Lifesavers. > I'd like to say a thing in defense of us authenticity sticklers. It is our > passion to do things as accurately as we can, for our own sake, and > to pass on our knowledge. The wise among us do this by teaching, by > answering questions, and by helping those who have asked for it. The rude > ones confront people with their little inaccuracies, which is not a > period thing to do in the first place, and doing it doesn't make anything better > anyway. But on this list we're here to help, to answer your questions, to > point out resources, and to learn things too. I so agree. Been on this list for almost two years now and have bumped into many knowledgable and helpful people. I may not costume for myself anymore, but I have learned a lot! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 00:31:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15067 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:31:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D64KF26734; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:04:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D640t05476; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D63ct05385 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.55.20d6c3d9 (3310) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:03:45 -0500 (EST) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <55.20d6c3d9.29727d41@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bierstein?? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:03:45 EST Status: RO --part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Barbara: I totally agree. Germans do not usually refer to a Bierstein as such. In Bavaria, where I grew up, yes people in their homes quite often used a Humpen to drink their Bier out off. My father and mother had a set, His was large Hers was small, the same design. My brother has several porcelain ones with pewter lids. Yes, in restaurants they usually serve the Bier in glasses. Glasses are much cheaper than Humpen. But in old "Dorfkneipen" (Village restaurants, for the lack of a better translation) and in breweries they generally use Humpen or Bierkruege (Another word for it, much more modern however) In the restaurants the Bierkruege are reserved for the regulars! Hope this clarifies. Elisabeth --part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Barbara:
I totally agree.  Germans do not usually refer to a Bierstein as such.  In Bavaria, where I grew up, yes people in their homes quite often used a Humpen to drink their Bier out off.  My father and mother had a set, His was large Hers was small, the same design.  My brother has several porcelain ones with pewter lids.  Yes, in restaurants they usually serve the Bier in glasses.  Glasses are much cheaper than Humpen.  But in old "Dorfkneipen" (Village restaurants, for the lack of a better translation) and in breweries they generally use Humpen or Bierkruege (Another word for it, much more modern however) In the restaurants the Bierkruege are reserved for the regulars!
Hope this clarifies.
Elisabeth --part1_55.20d6c3d9.29727d41_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 02:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16349 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:06:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D7dLF01547; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D7d1t22397; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D7cMt22301 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:38:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.102]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020113073840.FNYB658.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:38:40 -0600 Message-ID: <3C41393F.7020606@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs References: <200201130041.TAA06002@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:37:35 -0600 Status: RO I had a pair when I was a kid, wore those things till my heels were hanging out the back. My mother finally threw them away, and I had a hissy fit. *L* Katie Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I like > them for the noise they make ;) That, plus they really keep my feet dry if > it's raining at the Wool and Sheep festival. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 03:37:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17582 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:37:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0D9AMF05558; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D9A1t06566; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from host38.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D99Tt06485 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema (PPP-66-121-20-117.frys.com [66.121.20.117]) by host38.frys.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0D97or24366 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:07:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20020112194155.00bbbb10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <8d.1247817d.2972071f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]Bierstein/mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:58:24 -0800 Status: RO I see the misunderstanding - I'm American, not English, and I think my spelling confused you. My tankard isn't moldy, as in it has no mold growing in it. My tankard was created using a 4+piece mold, into which slip (pourable clay mud) was poured and allowed to dry. I can see the little lines where the pieces of the mold came together imperfectly. >In a message dated 12/1/02 2:07:20 PM, barbara@math.TU-Berlin.DE writes: ><< ... sorry, why would antiques of necessity have to be destroyed? Just >because they are wooden? >> >Anything that has toxic mold on it would have to be destroyed as the spores >are inside of it. Wood is the easiest for it to attack due to the grain >however cloth, books, papers, rugs (there goes the Persian), drapes, fabrics >of any and all types, ceramics, photographs, bisques, porcelain, plastics, >basically anything that it can get into or onto would have to be destroyed as >there's no way to kill it and it can kill you. It also destroys things on >it's own so it's not even a case of try to keep it down and go on. The >materials (wood, paper plastic, fabric) that are in the house would >eventually desentegrate. Metals seem to be the only thing safe from it. They >bring a Haz Mat team in and dismantle and remove anything that tests positive >for the mold. That may be your whole house or only a part of it. If only a >part, it can be fixed if not... There was a family in the next town over that >the team came in, dismantled the house, removed 6 feet of dirt from where the >house once stood and THEN sprayed chemicals in the hole. They took the house >bits out in the desert and burned it and sprayed the ashes. We're not talking >something that a little Lysol or bleach will take care of, if only it were >so. I'm still in shock over this whole thing so forgive me if I over answered >a bit. >Lady G >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 04:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18610 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:27:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DA0LF07217; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DA01t13584; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D9x8t13455 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR12807; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:59:23 GMT Message-ID: <00d801c19c19$87dce240$02154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Cc: "Office" References: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:57:29 -0000 Status: RO >Anyone know how long they've had that form (the lace-up type)? Is that a Victorian form, or does it date earlier? There is a paphlet on English clogs by I think Swann I have a copy somewhere Walkleys are pretty good but I recently found a page with a list of traditional cloggers in the UK some of which make their own soles (rather than machine them ) It is a work I think so I'll try & post it on Monday They are more likely to do historical clog types. I wear walkleysand they are pretty good Personally I love clogs Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 04:37:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18742 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:37:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DAAMF07491; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:10:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DAA1t15060; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DA9rt15033 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:09:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR12949; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:10:10 GMT Message-ID: <015901c19c1b$0928bf80$02154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0000 Status: RO Try http://uk.geocities.com/cobblersawl/index.htm Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 04:43:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA18831 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:43:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DAGLF07730; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:16:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DAG1t07420; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DAFHt05454 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:15:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-21-2.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.21.2]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ACR13031; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:15:32 GMT Message-ID: <015c01c19c1b$c94b7460$02154ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <200201130034.TAA05592@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:17:49 -0000 Status: RO http://www.morrisdancing.org/clogs.html More clogmakers Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 08:56:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00710 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:56:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DETkF15290; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:29:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DET0t07769; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DESst07745 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16PldJ-0001Uj-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: <011301c19abb$d0b88500$f09901d4@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:07:04 +0000 Status: RO Drinking tea without milk is, I believe, some strange colonial custom. JEan Melanie Wilson wrote >>PGTips made using teabags >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > >UGH > >You''l be telling me next you don't warm the mug first & put milk in your >tea > >Lady Power (aka Mel) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 08:59:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00966 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:59:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DEWnF15441; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:32:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DEWSt08332; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:32:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DESst07744 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:28:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16PldJ-0001Ul-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:29:13 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tea sandwiches In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a <$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:04:56 +0000 Status: RO Drat! If I hadn't revealed my ignorance, I could have made out like I was more couth than Teddy. But, ah, too late! Jean Teddy wrote > >> Well does it mean anything to you? I honestly don't know what a tea >> sandwich is - as opposed to any other sort of sandwich, I mean. > >I assumed it was the "genteel" sort of sandwiches you'd have with >tea from loose-leaf tea in a teapot and china cups with matching >saucers, cube-sugar in a bowl with silver tongs to pick it out etc, >rather than the huge chunky doorsteps of bread and filling wot >people like me has with big mugs of PGTips made using teabags >and the same spoon for stirring the tea and fishing out the teabag >as you used to get the granulated sugar from the bag > >Teddy >(Uncouth? Me? Abso-bloody-lutely!) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 10:00:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08460 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DFXMF18674; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFX0t23993; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFWKt23852 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.191]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020113153239.NCVN16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:32:39 +0100 Message-ID: <3C41A8A4.1010407@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! References: <005601c19be8$4ed6c320$5e5efea9@jchancey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:32:52 +0100 Status: RO Hi Jennie Thanks for those pics. The sinking coat or dress ? Is that embroidery on the collar and cuffs made with chain stitches? Just curious. Bjarne Jennie Chancey wrote: >The collectors who bought the original "jump" dress and Rose's pink coat >(worn during the sinking scenes) contacted me a couple of weeks ago, and we >have been chatting back and forth ever since. They graciously agreed to >share some photographs of the outfits with me and have allowed me to place >them on my site for others to drool over. I've also written up all of the >excruciating details of the "jump" dress's construction (including what it >is made out of it, how it is lined and fastened, etc.). I got all of this >info from e-mails and a two-hour phone conversation today. Mysteries >revealed at last! Go to http://www.sensibility.com/titanic/realphotos.htm to >enjoy! > >The collectors who bought these costumes do have plans to get them >professionally photographed on display mannequins and publish those pictures >in a full-color booklet (HALLELUJAH!). Until then, I am able to share eight >photographs they took themselves. > >Have fun! > >Jennie Chancey > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns >http://www.sensibility.com >winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 10:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10514 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DFtMF19547; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:55:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFt1t29316; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFsVt29215 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB4170CF00F8; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:44:01 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113095737.01a502e8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020112142610.00bb8100@mail.frys.com> References: <20020112.101630.-136903.6.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:03:58 -0600 Status: RO At 09:40 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: > >If people can't deal with the fact you have to adjust your clothes for a > >disability, that's their tough luck! > >My guess is that your level of independence, at your level of disability, >isn't 'period' either, speaking of other people's tough luck. BING! Right on the nail's head :-) 50 years ago, the average length of life after a spinal cord injury was about 5 years... I'd be dead... > My chair-bound housemate Dunno about your housemate, but "chair-bound" is really not a term I like. I'm not tied to my chair. If I was, I'd hope it would be because of a kinky thingy :-) The word promotes the image of "being stuck". Where as, in fact, the chair is really a liberator. *Without* the chair, I'd be stuck. Just a little bit of workding that changes the general way someone views folks with disabilities... :-) YMMV >I'd like to say a thing in defense of us authenticity sticklers. I have nothing against the authenticity sticklers. It's the period nazis I have a problem with :-) Big difference :-) >The wise among us do this by teaching, by answering >questions, and by helping those who have asked for it. Best way to do it. But... I'm in trouble... I "asked for it"!!! >But on this list we're here to help, to answer your questions, to point >out resources, and to learn things too. I'd have been surprised to find rudeness on this list. That is, accross the board. There's always one or two elements of every list yanno? :-) Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 10:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10986 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DG0MF19890; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:00:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DG00t00480; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DFxWt00388 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC6E19B30132; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113100529.044c26d8@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Clogs In-Reply-To: <200201130041.TAA06002@saltmine.radix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:06:10 -0600 Status: RO At 06:37 PM 1/12/2002, you wrote: >At 03:28 PM 01/10/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) > >LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I like >them for the noise they make I used to wear clogs in the kitchens. A life saver when you have to stand in nearly the same spot for up to 15, 16 hours in a day. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:27:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16785 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:27:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DH0TF23789; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:00:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DH02t11711; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DGxZt11630 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:59:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA7E263200F0; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:49:02 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming In-Reply-To: <3C40D76D.877655D0@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:06:52 -0600 Status: RO I'm not too entirely sure of the appropriateness of these fabric, but I've been toying with the idea of buying from them for a while now. http://www.pickhemp.com/ Their hemp/silk mixes are particularly attractive I thought. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17703 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:39:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DHCNF24712; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHC1t14576; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0DHBit14400 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:11:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9228 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2002 17:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.102]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Jan 2002 17:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: <009201c19c55$882a20a0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:12:50 -0500 Status: RO Do you have any idea of what their prices are, or how they compare to what Dharma carries? Rowena ni Dhonnchaidh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gorgeous Muiredach" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming > I'm not too entirely sure of the appropriateness of these fabric, but I've > been toying with the idea of buying from them for a while now. > http://www.pickhemp.com/ > > Their hemp/silk mixes are particularly attractive I thought. > > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom > aka > Nicolas Steenhout _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:54:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18160 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:54:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DHNZF25628; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHNCt19715; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHMft19312 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:22:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust110.tnt1.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.108.110] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16PoLV-0007UV-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:23:01 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601c19c56$f3cb6c00$9c7ae541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:23:00 -0600 Status: RO Jennie, is there a pattern available for the coat, or is it a basic "princess" as it appears in the watercolor. Thanks, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 11:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18175 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:55:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DHNNF25610; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHN1t19550; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bmee.net (maximus.securesupport.ws [64.85.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DHMBt18934 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from steenhout.bmee.net [12.250.99.54] by bmee.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFCB37A30112; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:11:39 -0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113112724.0449c7a0@mail.bmee.net> X-Sender: muiredach@bmee.net@mail.bmee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gorgeous Muiredach Subject: Re: [h-cost] Web sites that sell fabrics suitable for costuming In-Reply-To: <009201c19c55$882a20a0$01fea8c0@vaio> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020113110452.01a52d20@mail.bmee.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g0DHMBt18934 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:28:14 -0600 Status: RO At 11:12 AM 1/13/2002, you wrote: >Do you have any idea of what their prices are, or how they compare to what >Dharma carries? Don't know Dharma, but here's their price list for 2001. 2001 PRICE LIST Fabric Description & WeightPrice > 100 yds. Price < 100 yds. 100% hemp canvas - 11oz, 12oz$8.50$9.00 100% hemp canvas - 14oz$9.00$9.50 100% hemp basketweave -12.5oz$11.00$11.50 100% hemp herringbone -12.5 oz, 15 oz$11.00$11.50 100% hemp summer cloth -8oz$6.25$6.75 100% hemp denim twill -12.5oz$9.25$9.75 100% hemp yarn-dyed denim twill - 13 oz$9.75$10.25 100% hemp linen - 5.8oz$6.75$7.25 100% hemp muslin - 59” width - 5oz$6.75$7.25 60% hemp / 40% silk blend - 2.6oz, 3.7oz$7.25-7.75$7.75-8.25 65% hemp / 35% silk charmeuse - 5.2oz, 58”$9.25$9.75 85% hemp / 15% silk jacquard - 4.7oz, 58”$7.95$8.45 55% hemp / 45 cotton diamond patn - 9oz, 59” $5.75$6.25 55% hemp / 45% cotton denim - 10oz$5.25$5.75 55% hemp / 45% cotton corduroy - 10.5oz, 44”$4.95$5.45 55% hemp / 45% cotton muslin - 4.9, 5.7, 7.2oz$4.25$4.75 55% hemp / 45% tencel blend 3.5oz, 59”$6.25$6.75 55% hemp / 45% rayon calico - 4oz , 58”$5.75$6.25 55% hemp / 45% rayon blend 5 oz, 58”$6.25$6.75 100% hemp webbing, 1”,1¼”,1½”, 2” (straps)$1.40-2.15$1.65-2.40 55% hemp / 45% cot. Fleece - 10.5oz, 27” loop$5.75$6.25 55% hemp / 45% cotton jersey - 8oz, 27” loop$3.65$4.15 55% hemp / 45% cotton terry towel, 11oz, 60” $7.95$8.45 55% hemp/45% cotton meshcloth (20-24”loop)$3.00$3.50 55% hemp / 45% cotton ribbing (13”)$2.10$2.60 55% hemp / 45% cotton socks - S/M/L$2.50/pair All fabrics are in stock in San Francisco ready to ship. A 10 yard minimum quantity is required per fabric. Please inquire for discounts on large quantities over 300 yards. All the fabrics are quite wide: except for the hemp/cotton corduroy which is 44” wide, all others range from 56" to 60" as indicated on the sample swatches. All prices are FOB San Francisco (customer pays freight). There is a $6.00 cutting and handling fee on each order. Thank you for your interest and please feel free to contact us if you have any questions. > > I'm not too entirely sure of the appropriateness of these fabric, but I've > > been toying with the idea of buying from them for a while now. > > http://www.pickhemp.com/ > > > > Their hemp/silk mixes are particularly attractive I thought. Gorgeous Muiredach Rokkehealden Shire Middle Kingdom aka Nicolas Steenhout "You must deal with me as I think of myself" J. Hockenberry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 13:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19702 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:27:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DJ0mF02597; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:00:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DJ0Pt14942; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.99main.com (mail.99main.com [208.28.184.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DIxot14574 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:59:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99main.com (max2-85.99main.com [208.28.186.85]) by mail.99main.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/000116) with ESMTP id OAB06364 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:00:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C41D935.CD1636F6@99main.com> From: marilyn traber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:00:05 -0500 Status: RO Fancy meeting you here - straying from the Cooks List? margali -- ~~~~~ The Quote Starts Here: > Gorgeous Muiredach > Rokkehealden Shire > Middle Kingdom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 15:23:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21578 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:23:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DKuPF10935; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DKu2t08794; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DKt5t08614 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:55:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.130] (pm4-130.eos.net [205.133.149.130]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05955 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:51:25 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201130336.g0D3a4t07653@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re:mold Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:49:22 -0500 Status: RO Lady G: I think everyone is confused because you started writing about mold as if we all knew what you were talking about. Perhaps you wrote about the mold problem in a private post? Why does your mother think she has toxic mold in her house? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 16:30:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22559 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:30:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DM3PF15354; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DM31t27330; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f165.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DM26t27026 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:02:22 -0800 Received: from 129.127.41.28 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:02:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.127.41.28] From: "Massaria dC" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]OT mold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2002 22:02:22.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA0BB1C0:01C19C7D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:02:22 +0000 Status: RO delurking here: Speaking of Toxic mold we saw a documentary last night about it! Well it was a form of toxic mold, I have no idea if it is the same one. This one was called "Ergots" (sp?) and is the thing that gets into wheat, then bread and causes people to have convulsions and skin crawls and stuff (it is the same thing that LSD is extracted from) It is very nasty stuff. There was a theory that it was responsible for the witch trails in Salem, as there was a town in France in the 1920's which was infected with it and all the people went nuts in a similar fashion to that recorded in Salem. Sorry Lady G hope your antiques don't have to be destroyed :-( Massaria _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 16:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22966 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:53:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DMQOF16955; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:26:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DMQ1t02615; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DMPkt02542 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.a5.210b9e53 (30951) for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: [h-cost]OT mold To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:25:58 EST Status: RO Massaria, Yes, it's ergot but that gets (mostly) on rye rather than wheat, both the grain and bread and it's not killed by heat/light. The mold in this case causes-hallucinations, respiratory failure, memory loss, skin eruptions, convulsions and other nasties including death. There's nothing currently on the market that will kill it or even eradicate it for any length of time. Thus the only thing TO do is either remove all contaminated items and destroy them or if the infestation is too far involved for it to be "fixable"-destroy the entire house and contents. That's what we fear the most. Destruction of all our tangible memories and other things that cannot be replaced at any cost. I mean how can money replace the chair that my umpteen great grandfather hand made (and rubbed a jillion coats of beeswax into) all those years ago, photographs of my great grandparents on their wedding day, the quilt my grandmother made for me while my mother was preggers with me and dozens of other like items. We're all in shock. Thank you for you concern, it is greatly appreciated. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 17:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23713 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:45:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0DNIQF21798; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:18:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DNI1t15584; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f231.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DNHlt15505 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:17:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:18:04 -0800 Received: from 164.58.10.125 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:18:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [164.58.10.125] From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2002 23:18:04.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D88C280:01C19C88] Subject: [h-cost] Re: Clogs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:18:04 -0600 Status: RO >>>Ick. (I really have a personal thing about wooden shoes :) ) >>LOL! Sorry to hear that. I've got wooden-soled clogs and I think I >like them for the noise they make I seam to have missed the original response, so if there was more to it than this, please let me know. As for people liking them or not, it's a personal thing. There's nothing wrong with them, or people liking them. However, after spending some serious time around a number of communes in the 60s, there's just something about them that reminds me of the less 'fun' aspects of chosing to live a 'primitive' lifestyle with insufficient research. Personally they make my feet hurt (and their more form fitted descendents, the birkenstocks are even worse (for me). OTOH, I know that other people -do- like them, and they helped keep bazillions of people's feet dry and safe before the Wellington. I even brought home a set of Walkeley's clogs for my wife when I was in that part of Lancashire researching an article on a different clog museum a couple of years ago (A by appointment or invitation only place in Bacup that it seems that no one else has ever heard of). I don't recall at this point where I heard the story, but there was a thing about someone who was growing up in the area, and growing up hearing the sounds of all the hundreds of factory girls clogs on the cobblestones as they headed up to work in the morning. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 19:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24884 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:03:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E0aQF27935; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:36:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E0a1t06342; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0E0ZWt06194 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:35:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 47645 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2002 00:35:30 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-48.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.48) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 00:35:30 -0000 Message-ID: <005901c19c8a$ceadc880$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <00d601c19c56$f3cb6c00$9c7ae541@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern for Rose's Coat (was Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:34:11 -0500 Status: RO There is no pattern that I am aware of for the pink coat, but it is princess-seamed, as shown in the Peterman illustration. Really a very simple coat! Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 19:39:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25396 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:39:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1CTF01108; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1C0t15044; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0E1BHt14885 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:11:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 73716 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2002 01:11:16 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-48.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.48) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2002 01:11:16 -0000 Message-ID: <006b01c19c8f$cbec4540$5e5efea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <005601c19be8$4ed6c320$5e5efea9@jchancey> <3C41A8A4.1010407@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of two original "Titanic" costumes now up on my site! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:09:54 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne wrote: "Thanks for those pics. The sinking coat or dress ? Is that embroidery on the collar and cuffs made with chain stitches? Just curious." Unfortunately, the owner was not familiar enough with stitching types to tell me how the embroidery was done. All she knew was that it was of very narrow silk floss. I may have further opportunities in the future to study the outfits, and, if that happens, I will let you know! Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25779 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1ckF03153; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cNt21286; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g092D4304267 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from wernto (we-24-126-237-13.we.mediaone.net [24.126.237.13]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g092Bfp01833 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:11:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004201c198b3$2a2c0360$0ded7e18@wernto> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corsets/stays (was Re: wheelchair historicals) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:12:53 -0800 Status: RO From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" > I got a copy of "Support and Seduction: A History of Corsets and Bras" by > Beatrice Fontanel. Here's my review: Don't bother. It's got a lot of Thanks for the review, Mara! Speaking of which, has anyone read Valerie Steele's new book "The Corset: A Cultural History"? - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25783 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1csF03167; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cUt21319; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0C3bht25691 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:37:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id 6.1e.215ea275 (18708); Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.215ea275.29710988@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] OT-mold... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:37:44 EST Status: RO Will all and sundry please keep happy thoughts coming our way? My mother's just found out that her house has black mold in it and, while she knows her options, she's not quite decided what she's going to do about it. Selling the house and moving is pretty high on her list of options. This due to the past years expenses incurred (reattaching the roof, water damage to most of the ceilings, new septic pump amongst others) and her getting a bit tired of it being Mr. Blanding's Dream House. The happy thoughts are that it's just plain mold and can be gotten rid of rather than TOXIC mold that will cause the house to be "gotten rid of" or "incinerated under controlled conditions". That last thought's a scary one. It's a lovely house and holds many happy memories. Selfish me-I was also looking forward to having many years of future happy memories in it as it's my inheritance from my mother. Wish us nothing but good luck and keep your fingers toes and eyes crossed for us. Many thanks, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25787 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1d1F03189; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cct21353; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from dci.doncaster.on.ca (dci.doncaster.on.ca [216.187.106.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0D9tIt12922 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 02:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from tanqueray.infotrope.net (ip100.ott.dsl.istop.com [216.187.106.100]) by dci.doncaster.on.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0D9tbdl006365 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:55:37 -0500 Received: from skud by tanqueray.infotrope.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16PhMW-0001SP-00 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:55:37 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] An introduction, and wheelchair costuming thoughts... In-Reply-To: <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020111225437.02adfe38@mail.bmee.net> <4.1.20020111215444.00aed9e0@mail.frys.com> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:55:36 -0500 Status: RO Kayta wrote: > > If the fasteners don't show, who's to know if they're period or not? > (Someone in a Victorian costume workshop asked the instructor what if > someone noticed his trousers fly zipped instead of buttoning, and the > instructor said "If they're that close, they're not interested in > authenticity".) Oh, I beg to differ! If I'm that close, I'd hate to be disappointed by finding inauthentic fastenings. It'd just totally ruin the mood ;) K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@infotrope.net http://infotrope.net/sca/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25791 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1dAF03237; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1clt21423; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from copacabana.rio.com (root@copacabana.rio.com [66.178.128.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DLFFt13603 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.137.122.47] (ppp301.t0.rio.com [208.137.122.47]) by copacabana.rio.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0DLFSL11821 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:15:31 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Men's Elizabethan From: Gary Walker To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004201c19a24$d65b6aa0$a962bc42@mad.chartermi.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:12:53 -0800 Status: RO on 1/10/02 2:19 PM, Rebecca Schmitt at lotsofteapots@charter.net wrote: >> Here are some pics of my husband in his middle class Elizabethan clothes. >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0039a.jpg >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0001257.jpg >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/dcp_0079.jpg >> http://www.gideonfamily.org/images/album/p0000887.jpg >> Andrea Yes, he looks a fine up-standing fellow... but what can you tell me about the half-timbered cottage in the background of 1257, please!!! Are the walls and roof fabric, or ??? Is it a merchant booth or a really decadent tent on a trailer frame, or ??? thanks, Chimene/Patsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25796 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1dHF03280; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0E1cst21470; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:38:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from copacabana.rio.com (copacabana.rio.com [66.178.128.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DLFSt13711 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:15:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.137.122.47] (ppp301.t0.rio.com [208.137.122.47]) by copacabana.rio.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0DLFaL11830 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:15:37 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1510 Mens Florentine From: Gary Walker To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020110004239.37147.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:12:53 -0800 Status: RO on 1/9/02 4:42 PM, Sheila at turrel@yahoo.com wrote: > Does anyone have a reference of what the bottom-half > of this outfit might have looked like? > > http://www.getty.edu/art/collections/objects/oz792.html > > Sheila Since it appears no one else has responded... A quick look through Boucher and Davenport (even Yarwood & Norris--they go fast, 8-) turns up only the two young men at the front left of figure 1310 (p.493 in my one-volume ed.) They are the right period and nationality. I'm assuming that the overgarment they have open at the neck and turned back to form a collar is the same as what your young man has buttoned closed at the top. If so, you get a pretty clear picture of what they're wearing underneath. They also seem to be wearing the same style of hat. The closest I could get otherwise, in these sources, are the young men in fig 410 in Boucher (p.214), but they're 35 years ealier and the cap is definitely not the same. Boucher 1310 certainly fits my preconception of a likely bottom half. Try tapestry too. Hope this helps, Chimene/Patsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jan 13 20:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25812 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0E1dQF03313; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 02, = 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: [h-cost] masked ball costume

Greetings,
 
For anybody in the Portland area, there is going = to be a masked ball at the Art Museum.  Since I have never been so brave = as to go there, what recommendations does anybody have for myself and my spouse = to wear?  I probably would need to make these costumes myself (Value = Village curtains here I come). 
 
Are these supposed to be masks that are affixed = with elastic things or those carry-on-a-stick variety? 
 
ANY HELP? 
 
Thanks,
 
Sidne/
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