From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 23:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02758 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:02:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g114d3F22281; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g114d0A18374; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f128.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g114cYA18249 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:38:30 -0800 Received: from 192.207.156.55 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:38:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.207.156.55] From: "Massaria dC" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 04:38:30.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C400120:01C1AADA] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 04:38:29 +0000 Status: RO >Guess the same thing applies to Goths. "Let's be different from >everyone >else, and all look alike." Goths are well aware of this part of there subculture, at least the ones who don't take it too seriously. >Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >to ex-Goths? I am an "ex-goth", though I still have blue hair even now, I don't dress as a goth any more. All my friends are pretty much now ex-goths as well, in that they don't really dress as goths anymore. However, even though all the make-up is gone, and the jewellery that you describe, most of us still have a wardrobe of black, burgundy and purple. One of my ex-boyfriends still goes to clubs but he got himself a t-shirt which has SOG on the front standing for "Sad Old Goth" as this pretty much how he views still being a goth in your 30's Having said this I know people in their late 40's who still dress as goths, but most people tend to stop in my experience. Massaria Or were you talking about people who dress in furs and horns trying to recreate the original Goths of late antiquity? - I know a few of them too, who also "grew-up" and stopped dressing that way ;-} _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 23:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03047 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:31:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11582F23839; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11580A26027; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1157fA25938 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:07:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-39-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.39]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1157fN99692 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:07:41 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c1aadf$21d7bc20$27882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <200201312021.g0VKL2g36764@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dublin slang [was: Head-coverings] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:13:05 -0500 Status: RO Okay, I stand corrected now. ;-) Moira ----- > I know it from North Carolina and 'wonky' is certainly in heavy use in California. > > .heather.meadows. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jan 31 23:36:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03115 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g115D3F24082; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g115D1A27283; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g115C9A27058 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-39-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.39]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g115C9N174990 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006b01c1aadf$c1aaa6e0$27882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> <3C59B556.9010108@tds.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:17:33 -0500 Status: RO always better than a twinkie-weiner sandwich. ;-} Moira who knew someone who only ate peanut butter and mustard sandwiches.;-p > *snickers* My cravings where: Hot Dogs from "The Great American > Hot Dog Company" (I lived in Huntington Beach CA at the time), > and fudge bars (ice cream) with a side of pickled jalapenos. > Slight variation of "pickles and ice cream", but it countes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 00:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03716 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:31:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11683F26976; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11680A12399; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1167oA12349 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:07:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-69.frys.com [66.121.20.69]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1167ug17097 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:07:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131174625.00d7e100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British In-Reply-To: <3C59B556.9010108@tds.net> References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:56:39 -0800 Status: RO Oops - forgot the costume content: When I was a couple of days before my older daughter's due date, I went dancing. I wore one of those 1801-ish high waisted things, engineered so that I didn't look pregnant, only very large. I managed to get the skirt to hang straight down the front over the kid inside, without bulging. I think we went out for pizza just beforehand, so I was able to have cold pizza for breakfast the next day. An odd thing happens to some women just about a week before the baby arrives - they get a house-cleaning fit. I think it has something to do with a nesting impulse. Anyway, about a week before the aforementioned kid was actually born I had the earth-shattering thought that the kid didn't have anything to wear for Ren. Faire (clean house? Me??). So I spent the next few days feverishly sewing Ren-baby clothes (cap, shoes, shirt, and Ren. over-gown with leading strings). The kid was 4 days late from her official due date. >*snickers* My cravings where: Hot Dogs from "The Great American >Hot Dog Company" (I lived in Huntington Beach CA at the time), >and fudge bars (ice cream) with a side of pickled jalapenos. >Slight variation of "pickles and ice cream", but it countes! > >*ROFL* >Katie > >Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >>Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. I had cravings for it when I >>was pregnant, but nobody noticed because I always used to have cravings >>for it and still do. > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 00:49:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03826 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:49:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g116Q4F27597; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116Q1A16811; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116MAA15705 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtnmr.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.222.219] helo=[209.86.9.174]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WX5C-0006Bo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 01:22:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:42:52 -0800 Status: RO At 8:35 AM -0500 1/30/02, Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: >Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few friends >who were punks as teens, but... I overheard someone talking not too long ago about a Goth couple who had just had their first baby and had asked [whoever was talking] about making them some baby clothes. In black. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 01:12:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04050 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:12:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g116nJF28557; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116nGA22758; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:49:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116gQA21323 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:42:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-141.frys.com [66.121.20.141]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g116gWg17960 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:42:33 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131223701.00c48e40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:37:57 -0800 Status: RO >Or were you talking about people who dress in furs and horns trying to >recreate the original Goths of late antiquity? - I know a few of them too, >who also "grew-up" and stopped dressing that way ;-} Oh, you mean the bunny-fur Barbarians, of the 'two frightened squirrels' school of costuming? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 01:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04130 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:29:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1176SF29212; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:06:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1176PA26364; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:06:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g116xlA24874 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:59:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-155.frys.com [66.121.20.155]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g116xtg18349 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:59:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020131225410.00dcd2e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: wearing black (was Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:58:34 -0800 Status: RO >>Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >>to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few friends >>who were punks as teens, but... > >I overheard someone talking not too long ago about a Goth couple who had >just had their first baby and had asked [whoever was talking] about making >them some baby clothes. In black. I am not a Goth, nor are my kids, but one of them has always liked black as her favourite colour - since she was only a few years old. Black - it's not just for Mourning anymore. OCC: What colour is for mourning these days, since Goths and Punks use black for everyday-wear? When did black become OK to wear during the day? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 02:15:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32476 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:15:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g117q4F00605; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g117q1A06260; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g117pkA06197 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA26450 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202010809.AAA26450@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:09:20 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Mara Riley wrote: > > (snort) Exactly! > There was a humor thing going around a while ago about how you can tell > someone is a pagan; one of the clues is the tons of bad silver jewelry. > Guess the same thing applies to Goths. "Let's be different from everyone > else, and all look alike." Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens > to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few friends > who were punks as teens, but... Well, I'm 33 now, but I wouldn't say I'm an _ex_ goth. Ex punk, yes. Mostly because the rainbow colored hair is too labor intensive and involves too many nasty chemicals. And I felt like growing my hair out again. Older goths start to resemble the slightly batty aunties in "Practical Magic." Some of it is that I _must_ avoid sunlight thanks to a rather nasty medical condition. So I wear the big wide- brimmed hats. Which means I _have_ to trim them with ribbons and drippy lace and silk roses, right? And I occasionally use a parasol, which also had to be trimmed. And if I was going to have to wear full-coverage clothing all the time, it should at least look _interesting_, right? Which is a major reason I sew outside of theatrical costumes. Almost all my jewelry is either my work or custom work by someone else, so I at least avoid the cheap silver jewlery trap. I'm not yet dingy enough to wear my spoon bonnet out in public. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 03:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32655 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:23:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11905F02294; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11902A20001; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g118xoA19935 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:59:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200202010859.g118xoA19935@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 20945 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 08:59:51 -0000 Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 08:59:51 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:59:49 +0000 Status: RO Kevin + Mara Riley wrote : > Henk wrote: > > > What strikes me the most, however, after having seen the whole > line-up of the West-Kingdom's 12th Night revels, is that all you people > look so 'terribly' <g> American. I honestly don't know if it's the > faces, the hair or what, but I could not ever confuse you guys with > anybody else but US citizens. Ant ideas why this is, List? > I think it's the hairstyles, and the makeup on the women I couldn't have labelled them all as American, but I was struck by the quantity of eye make-up around. A lot more than I'm used to. How much in the way of cosmetics was used in history, BTW? (Yes, a large and vague question, I'm afraid! But I Know Nothing.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 03:32:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32688 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:32:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11994F03024; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11991A21837; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1198CA21656 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28691.; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:15:54 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:08:11 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1198CA21656 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:07:50 +0000 Status: RO Lady Gryphon wrote: >(b) what's the American equivelant of a "jam tart"? >I've heard of them but keep getting this mental image that is totally >unappetizing. A jam tart is simply a saucer-shaped pastry case filled with jam/preserve/whatever you call it, either individual or in a larger size for cutting into portions. Don't you make them over there? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 04:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00534 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:35:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11AC5F04510; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11AC1A03980; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f116.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.116]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11ABGA03858 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:11:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 02:11:12 -0800 Received: from 192.207.156.55 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:11:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.207.156.55] From: "Massaria dC" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Bunny-fur Barbarians Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 10:11:12.0914 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6F55720:01C1AB08] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:11:12 +0000 Status: RO Kayta wrote: >Oh, you mean the bunny-fur Barbarians, of the 'two frightened squirrels' >school of costuming? LOL! Yes them. Actaully the last SCA event I attended there was a guy wearing two of those old calf-skin rugs from the 70's pinned at the shoulders and "trews" made of a pale green shagg pile carpet. Then there was the "Viking" who turned up with a collander on his head and horns made of aluminium foil..... I guess it was an attempt. Being a goth some of the first things I wore to historical recreation events, were.... well from the dracula school of costuming - think evil queen in Disney's Snow White *grin* Massaria _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 05:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00673 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:07:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Ai5F05502; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Ai1A23834; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11AhkA23782 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 03:43:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5359D3A8B70 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:44:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000b01c1ab50$76db4720$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:44:21 -0600 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT Britis Hear hear!! Dianne who has cold pizza this morning..yum > > Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. I had cravings for it when I > was pregnant, but nobody noticed because I always used to have cravings for > it and still do. > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 05:58:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00879 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11BYoF06923; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:34:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11BYkA04228; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11BVNA03495 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:31:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200202011131.g11BVNA03495@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 9320 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 11:31:25 -0000 Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 11:31:25 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:31:22 +0000 Status: RO Teddy wrote : > Still, if we all liked and at the same stuff, it would be very boring, > though life for our Guild of Cooks would be *much* simpler Oh no, your Majesty! Our lives would be terribly boring, too. It's so much more *challenging* to have to cater for a monarch who only eats red meat, fruit, and bread, as well as the vegetarians, dairy-free, wheat-free, allergic-to-life, and so on. We enjoy it. Honest. Well, we do as long as he keeps helping us with our garb, anyway :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 06:23:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00982 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:23:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11C0aF07623; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:00:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11C0WA09283; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11BrlA07784 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:53:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.87]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQUS1H00.H6A for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:00:53 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-7.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.7]) by bwmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 56/577004); 01 Feb 2002 21:53:41 Message-ID: <3C5B8ECB.95A8E810@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 23:01:31 -0800 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. I had cravings for it when I > was pregnant, but nobody noticed because I always used to have cravings for > it and still do. > Funny, when I was pregnant I went off pizza, and have since lost any desire for it. Andy hates it because it is his favourite junk food.... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 07:53:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01409 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:53:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11DSrF18737; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:28:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11DSiA09380; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11DHKA06972 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:17:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201131722.51757.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.82.86] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 05:17:22 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: wearing black (was Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020131225410.00dcd2e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:17:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >OCC: What colour is for mourning these days, since >Goths and Punks use black for everyday-wear? As a formerly Serious Classical Singer* (God was I serious!) my wardrobe is still about 70% black. I am good enough to get into any chorus I audition for, and not good enough to be the Big Star Soloist -- hence I spend a lot of time in The Dreaded Concert Black Attire. So, what I do for funerals is simply not wear the brightly-colored or bizarre accessories I normally do to "liven up" the black. But (life is sweet!) I was just accepted into a small chorale who performs at least once a year in Renaissance costume!! woohoo !! *I am now a laid-back-to-the-point-of-desultory classical singer. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 08:50:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01669 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:50:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11EQmF21510; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:26:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11EQiA24789; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:26:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11E7TA19623 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:07:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m65.in-tch.com [216.166.191.65]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g11Du0T11092 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:56:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5AA22C.8E5230F1@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: <200201220434.g0M4Y5T06786@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020131124520.00d29cb0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:11:56 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, but left-over curry, or thai food (pad thai, nummers ) are good, too..... And of course, one of my "old" favorites, back when I was seasonally unemployed every winter (uggh...thank gawd I have a *real* job now), was cheap macaroni-and-cheese with barbeque sauce. The sauce worked wonders to cover up the sometimes-definitely-been-on-the-shelf-too-long taste of the mac-and-cheese. --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Leftover cold pizza is the BEST breakfast. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 08:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01675 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11ESmF21603; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11ESiA25336; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:28:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11E87A19786 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:08:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201140810.980.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 06:08:10 PST From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020131223701.00c48e40@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 06:08:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I was a full-time "goth" back in high school in the early 80s, but then the real world set in, and I had to get a job. I now only dress the part occasionally, when I am going to hang out with other goths. However, I still consider myself goth on the inside because I do not necessarily hold the same attitudes and opinions as mainstream society. So, have I "outgrown" it? Not so much as internalized it. So, whatever you do as a teenager to express yourself--goth, punk, gangsta look, whatever, I think it depends on your attitude and how serious you are about it on the inside as to whether you outgrow it or not. mirv ===== Megan Irvine http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 08:53:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01693 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:53:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11EUcF21737; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:30:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11EUXA25973; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11EACA20322 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDRGPUEK0G00J8JA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:12:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.199.2]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDRGPS2T7000KU7H@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:12:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) ; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:06:46 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CF-S1 (Mercury 1.48); Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:06:39 +0000 Received: from cf-lib-11587 (158.94.199.113) by mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:06:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-reply-to: <200202011140.g11BeoA05388@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <59C9E6645@mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > At 8:35 AM -0500 1/30/02, Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > >Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens > >to ex-Goths? I know what happens to ex-Punks, since I have a few > >friends who were punks as teens, but... > > I overheard someone talking not too long ago about a Goth couple who > had just had their first baby and had asked [whoever was talking] > about making them some baby clothes. In black. My friend "Nicci the Goth" always swore that if she ever sprogged, the child would be dressed in black and purple like a proper Goth.... So when she had a little girl I got a friend to knit a complete layette set (dress, tights, bootees, matinee jacket, bonnet etc etc etc,) in black wool with purple ribbons and buttons. I proudly presented it to Nicci for young Amber to wear, only to be told that the only colour the child looked any good in at all was *bright orange* Such a let-down for a proud semi-ex-goth parent! Teddy (who, 56 pounds ago - back in the days when he was a walking skeleton, desperately wanted to do Goth, and only ever succeeded in achieving Camp) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 09:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01745 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:05:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11EgZF22399; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11EgVA29917; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11EHqA22388 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:17:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m65.in-tch.com [216.166.191.65]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g11E6NT14094 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:06:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5AA495.C193D989@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British References: <17c.2f3c521.298b0e23@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:22:13 -0700 Status: RO Actually, pb and cheese seems far worse to me than pb and onion, probably becauese the onion would provide a nice flavor/texture contrast to the pb, while the cheese would just add another layer of mouth-clogging fatty something. --Sue (who actually doesn't even like peanuts, unless they've been civilized, and added to a curry sauce, or, maybe, rarely, added to icecream....;-) Obligatory Costume Content: This weekend, I'm making heraldic tabards for 2 local people (I'm in the SCA, and they're off to War in a couple of weeks), and sorting through my Truly Enormous Fabric Stash to separate out the sheep from the goats (okay....I've decided to concentrate more on authentic fibers, etc., so I'm getting rid of a lot of stuff like cotton twills, corduroys, etc. They're perfectly decent fabrics [my tastes are pretty good], and I'll turn most of it into work clothes for myself or loaner garb for my local group. [see references in some of my old posts blaming Robin for my move to the Cult of Authentic Fibers .) What kinds of weekend projects is everyone else doing? LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 31/1/02 1:36:30 PM, moirabeaneoin@prodigy.net writes: > << peanut butter and banana sandwich >> > The ones that always (excuse the phrasing) seems to gross people out the most > are peanut butter and cheese or peanut butter and onion (thin slices of > Bermuda or a flat huge purple onion). Either one of which is yummy. > Obligitory costume content so people don't kick us onto the cooking list, > just put 9 yards of lovely trim around the hem of a slate moire Tudor and now > my hubby's bothering me for a tunic with the trim on it. I'm only waiting to > see how far up the nice list he can get before this weekend. hmmmmm is that > extortion or blackmail? > Lady G > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:12:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02441 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:12:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11FngF27389; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:49:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11FnaA28937; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:49:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11FY2A21890 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.211] (helo=[216.119.36.211]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WfhU-0001Ed-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:34:04 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: wearing black (was Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020201131722.51757.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:31:37 -0800 Status: RO on 2/1/02 5:17 AM, Joan Garner at joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com wrote: > As a formerly Serious Classical Singer* (God was I > serious!) my wardrobe is still about 70% black. I am > good enough to get into any chorus I audition for, and > not good enough to be the Big Star Soloist -- hence I > spend a lot of time in The Dreaded Concert Black > Attire. Sigh... I feel your pain. I come from the "Damn Good Singer, But Not Star Quality" school of voice. My problem seems to be the fact that I make a good section leader and no one wants to jeapordize the one strong voice singing the harmony... :P As for the wardrobe issue... I started wearing black in the 6th grade and it stuck for years. Of course, I was wearing it out of paranoia that comes with the monthly cycle, but by 8th grade, it was habitual. Dyed my hair black, too. Then to bright red. Didn't consider myself a goth, mainly because I didn't know what the heck one was, but I suppose I probably fit into the main description (morbid fixation with death, bad poetry and being "depressed", but that's pretty much any 14 year old). As I grew up, I went through a few more phases ("Rocker Chick" phase was memorable... I got myself a job at the local rock radio station and learned that the only thing I hate more than rock music, is rock music played on the corporate airwaves. I know listen to nothing but NPR.) before comming to grips that, at heart, I really am just an extention of my mother's hippie lifestyle with a Generation -X twist. Makes for some confusing life delemias ("I *love* Gap, but they support deforestation of ancient redwoods, so maybe it won't count if I buy it second hand..." that sort of reasoning. ;/ ). Of course, I believe firmly that one's true style doesn't really come through until one has children. There's something about parenthood that really forces you into a permanent kind of ideology that seems to stick to you for the rest of your life. As I am kidless, I am still waiting to test this theory... :) Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:41:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12921 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:41:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GIXF00398; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GITA13061; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11EsnA04019 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:54:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m65.in-tch.com [216.166.191.65]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g11EhIT26436 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:43:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:59:10 -0700 Status: RO Here's something I've always wondered...how short was it cut? Did it depend on the order? --Sue Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > Even the "cutting it short" part is medieval if you consider it the > equivalent of joining a religious order (which sometimes involved > cutting the hair short, although you couldn't see it under the > headgear). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12928 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:42:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GIOF00357; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GIJA12921; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11ErSA03596 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m65.in-tch.com [216.166.191.65]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g11EfwT25669 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:41:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5AACF1.CBFEFFAC@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Foot shape/toes References: <002501c1a898$e0f17360$792595c3@x5d9i6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 07:57:53 -0700 Status: RO That's really funny (in a good and interesting sort of way, really ). My entire family is plagued with what I call "duck feet"--narrow at the heel, and widening out to the ball of the foot. Very short toes (none of this "toe-finger" bizness ). I always feel like I need to stuff something in the toes of my shoes to take up the extra room. Interestingly, my hands are kinda the same way--broad across the palms, short fingers (makes it difficult to stretch more than an octave on the piano). I'd always said I had "peasant" hands and feet, meant more for baking bread and holding a plow, than something elegant. Useful, rather than decorative. Looks like I was "on" to something..... --Sue (whose genetic background could best be described as British Isles Mongrol....) Linda Walton wrote: > > The programme which mentioned this study was an episode of "Time Team", > shown in the U.K. at least a couple of years ago I think. It shows the work > of professional archaeologists. > > The lady concerned, (I wish I could remember her name), had been a > chiropodist, I think, and had pointed out a major difference between Norman > and Anglo-Saxon feet. This concerned the structure under the instep, where > it was made narrower and higher or broader and flatter by a tendon, (or > something), which seemed to pass diagonally across the tarsal bones. The > two different sorts could be detected in the bones found in burials, as well > as in illustrations of the time. The Normans have longer, pointed feet and > seem to stand 'higher', the English are more 'down to earth'. Celtic feet > were not mentioned at all. > > I have a distant memory of reading a report from an archaeological magazine, > but regret I can't be of any further help in finding it. > > Linda Walton. > High Wycombe, > Buckinghamshire, U.K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12935 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:43:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GImF00490; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GIfA13204; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11FM4A16115 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.177] (pm5-177.eos.net [205.133.149.177]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05635 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:17:54 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200201311902.g0VJ2Qe04095@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] LOTR fabric question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:15:44 -0500 Status: RO I know we stopped Lord of the Rings costume discussion, but this is a question that I think fits in our parameters. Seeing the movie a second time, I was struck by how much of the fabric was either hand-woven, or appeared to be so. The weave was much thicker than on most common fabrics. I have seen this on a lot of real hand-woven things sold today. So my question is . . . was hand-woven fabric in the past REALLY that thick? All of it? Or is it just a style we THINK of as hand-woven? (For a movie, of course, that's a perfectly understandable reason to use it.) I know that you can weave very fine stuff out of silk, but I don't know anything about wool or linen. Also, a second fabric question. My husband really hated the velvet used for the Elf costumes, such as Elrond's brown velvet coat. He thought it looked like cheap polyester. I didn't think it looked very good either, but it was so drapey I thought maybe it was really silk, which everyone always says is drapey. Any comments on the FABRIC, not on whether you liked the costumes or not? (I'm trying to keep this on topic!) Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:44:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12941 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:44:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GIdF00457; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GIXA13114; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11FGdA13425 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:16:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-228-229.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.228.229]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 060C337309 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:16:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <011401c1ab33$912223a0$bce6f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020201131722.51757.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: wearing black (was Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C1AB32.A9B042E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:11:02 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C1AB32.A9B042E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Joan, You wrote: *I am now a laid-back-to-the-point-of-desultory classical singer. You often make another old hippie smile, Joan, thanks. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C1AB32.A9B042E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Joan,
 
You wrote:
     *I am now a=20 laid-back-to-the-point-of-desultory
    classical=20 singer.

You often make another old hippie smile, Joan, = thanks.
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate=20 English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own=20 domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_00EC_01C1AB32.A9B042E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:44:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12945 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:44:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GIuF00514; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:19:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GIjA13249; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:18:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11FOJA17379 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:24:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.d7.1293c189 (4469) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:24:15 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:24:15 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 8:32:50 AM, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: << Teddy (who, 56 pounds ago - back in the days when he was a walking skeleton, desperately wanted to do Goth, and only ever succeeded in achieving Camp) >> Teddy! You've not been watching Blue's Clues, "You can do any-thing (da da da dada) that you wanna do" Grins, Lady G Not a goth but who dressed both her kids in deep purple, black, brilliant reds and greens and any jewel tone coming down the street. Whoever decided that kids belong in pale colours never had one who spilled or ate or coloured or DID anything. NO pastels at all on my kids. I never sewed a stitch for them because I was too busy sewing garb for myself, them and others, it's out there ya just gotta hunt. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13013 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:54:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GVQF02006; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:31:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GVLA20050; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GSLA18379 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:28:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.91.1788418e (4353) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:28:15 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <91.1788418e.298c1c1f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_91.1788418e.298c1c1f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:28:15 EST Status: RO --part1_91.1788418e.298c1c1f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 9:29:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > cheap macaroni-and-cheese with barbeque sauce Cheap macaroni and cheese mixed with canned chili is good too. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_91.1788418e.298c1c1f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 9:29:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


cheap macaroni-and-cheese with barbeque sauce
      Cheap macaroni and cheese mixed with canned chili is good too.

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--part1_91.1788418e.298c1c1f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 10:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13024 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:55:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11GVeF02043; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:31:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GVZA20181; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:31:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20307.mail.yahoo.com (web20307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11GSgA18556 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:28:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201162845.80084.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:28:45 PST From: Joan Garner To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C5AA495.C193D989@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Weekend projects was:seriously OT British Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:28:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > What kinds of weekend projects is everyone else > doing? I've just joined SCA, and find sewing skills much in demand. So on Sunday, I'm having several ladies who need garb and want some help over to my house for a tea-party-garb-planning session. I also want to finish up my Medievalish Dance* composed to honor the soon-to-be-invested new Baron & Baroness of Vinhold. I would like to present them with a neat-and-tidy manuscript of the dance, and a cassette of me playing it on the harp. I'm done composing, but I need to finish the pretty copy, learn to play the *%&! thing and make the tape. *for those who actually care, it's an Estampie Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 11:02:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13073 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:02:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Gd5F02836; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:39:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Gd0A24020; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GZKA22130 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDRLRY9BOG00B9YS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:37:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.199.2]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDRLRW0GGE00K0GI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:37:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-CF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) ; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:32:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-CF-S1 (Mercury 1.48); Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:31:40 +0000 Received: from cf-lib-11587 (158.94.199.113) by mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:31:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool In-reply-to: <200201310753.g0V7r9e09317@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <8076945C1@mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:31:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hello, oh fount of information (Yes, I mean YOU, oh wonderous and varied subscribers to h-costume) A friend in the Boston (U.S) area has emailed me to ask if I could ask on-list about on line sources for good, thin, but not suit-looking wool. She wants to make a 16th century Flemish outfit (a-la Drea's book) and needs the fabric for that. > Well, that's basically it.. I'm looking for lightweight wool > suitable for ren dresses, but not suity-looking. I'm sure the > h-costume folks will know exactly what I mean. Of course I could > just go on h-costume MYSELF but the last thing I need is another > mailing list. So if you can help, I'll gladly forward details to her. Ta muchly Teddy (off to sprog wrangle for musical friends at a FilkCon) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 11:05:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13089 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Gg6F03171; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Gg1A25554; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11GffA25380 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.9f.2202d2c1 (4469) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:41:34 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.2202d2c1.298c1f3e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:41:34 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/2/02 10:40:02 AM, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: << Teddy (off to sprog wrangle for musical friends at a FilkCon) >> Just don't squash the kid when you sit on him/her. Oh wait, that's sit WITH not ON. I get those mixed up sometimes. Have fun. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 11:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13149 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:18:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Gs6F04383; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:54:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Gs1A02269; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11GpYA00906 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:51:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23123 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 16:51:35 -0000 Received: from prop.sonic.net (208.201.224.193) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 16:51:35 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d47.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.47]) by prop.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g11GpYu29884 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:51:35 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C5AC7F2.F96CB95@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Mailing lists that might interest h-c members Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 08:53:06 -0800 Status: RO These are two other mailing lists that often discuss costume. I don't "own" either, but thought they might interest h-costume members. They are both Yahoo lists. 19cWoman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/19cWoman/ Official list description: We will discuss all aspects of women in the nineteenth century--remarkable women, ordinary women, clothing, cooking, & childcare, and much more. If you have an interest in learning about & sharing your knowledge of women in the 19th century, anywhere in the world, this group is for you. Regency women, women in the War of 1812, Victorian women, American Civil War women, frontier & pioneer women, women in the War of 1812, even women in Meiji Japan--if they were active in the 19th century, then they are suitable for discussion on this list. 18cWoman http://groups.yahoo.com/group/18cWoman/ Official list description: A place to discuss everything about women in the 18th century, clothing, manners, mores, status, condition, and more. Stories of actual women, excerpts from letters & diaries, sources for study. Emphasis on regional differences, and the abilities displayed in home and the running of businesses. An exploration of how events affected their lives. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web page! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Discounted books available! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 11:59:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07927 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:59:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11H32F05665; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11H2GA07300; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11H0AA05919 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:00:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g11H1Id11332 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA19769 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool In-Reply-To: <8076945C1@mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hmm...http://www.fabrics-store.com has some black and rose wools for sale, for $7.50/yd. Usually Phoenixtextiles.com has some, but currently they only have wool crepes. gstreetfabrics.com bit the dust, unfortunately...they always had the best online selection of wools. Fabricclub.com has some wool flannels, but that's about it--unless she's willing to consider poly-wool blends like worsterlon. Crepes and patterns seem to be in right now. For really nice wools, I usually hit Burnley & Trowbridge. They don't have an online presence, morebut they have a fantastic selection of wool solids in a variety of weights. Timeless Textiles is online, but their prices will make you wince. Their site timelesstextiles.com appears to be temporarily down. Good luck! Drea On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Teddy wrote: > Hello, oh fount of information (Yes, I mean YOU, oh wonderous and > varied subscribers to h-costume) > > A friend in the Boston (U.S) area has emailed me to ask if I could > ask on-list about on line sources for good, thin, but not suit-looking > wool. She wants to make a 16th century Flemish outfit (a-la Drea's > book) and needs the fabric for that. > > > Well, that's basically it.. I'm looking for lightweight wool > > suitable for ren dresses, but not suity-looking. I'm sure the > > h-costume folks will know exactly what I mean. Of course I could > > just go on h-costume MYSELF but the last thing I need is another > > mailing list. > > So if you can help, I'll gladly forward details to her. > > Ta muchly > > Teddy > (off to sprog wrangle for musical friends at a FilkCon) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 12:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18455 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:03:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11He7F10204; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11He2A28707; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11HdIA28240 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:39:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201173922.99954.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:39:22 PST From: Joan Garner To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT Singing [was Wearing Black ; Goth jewelry before that!] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Sarah Lorriane wrote: >Sigh... I feel your pain. I come from the "Damn >Good Singer, But Not Star Quality" school of voice. >My problem seems to be the fact that I make a good >section leader and no one wants to jeapordize the one >strong voice singing the harmony... :P Sarah, we must be twins who were separated at birth!! I am a classic example of the Church Choir definition of Alto: a Soprano who can read music! "Joan, would you be a dear and lead the Alto section -- we need a good strong voice...." Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 12:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02870 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:24:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11I15F12521; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11I10A10519; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop6.ucdavis.edu (pop6.ucdavis.edu [169.237.105.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11HxfA09756 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:59:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from CARNEGIE.ucdavis.edu ([169.228.162.100]) by pop6.ucdavis.edu (8.11.4/8.11.0/IT4.5.1) with ESMTP id g11HxeN00017 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:59:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201092515.03b5a9a0@blue.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: gcarnegi@blue.ucdavis.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Gwyn Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1900-1925 hats In-Reply-To: <200201270242.VAA22047@saltmine.radix.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020124083757.00a7a020@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6435000==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 09:51:02 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_6435000==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:38 PM 1/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >After some very good notes on color, Gwyn signed herself > >>>>Gwyn Carnegie; who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to > >have a weakness >; ) > >Gwyn, could you post pics of your collection, please? I'd love to see >them, as I'm on a bit of a hat kick myself lately... I have one right now that I'm a little of half way done restoring. It's a black lace net with a black silk crepe (3mm approx) interlining over a black cotton covered wire frame. I'm guessing it was made between 1895 and 1910. The frame was definitely home-made. All but 1 of the original feathers are still really sound with no moth or other appreciable damage. If I'm lucky, I may still have a picture of the hat being wore by it's original owner. If I can talk a friend into letting me borrow his digital camera again, I'll put up some shots of it and possibly some others as well depending on how much room I have left after I get done migration my site .... again. >-- Mara Gwyn Carnegie University of California, Davis --=====================_6435000==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:38 PM 1/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>After some very good notes on color, Gwyn signed herself
>>>>Gwyn Carnegie;  who now owns too many 1900 to 1925 hats - everyone has to
>have a weakness >; )

Gwyn, could you post pics of your collection, please?  I'd love to see
them, as I'm on a bit of a hat kick myself lately...

I have one right now that I'm a little of half way done restoring. It's a black lace net with a black silk crepe (3mm approx) interlining over a black cotton covered wire frame.  I'm guessing it was made between 1895 and 1910. The frame was definitely home-made. All but 1 of the original feathers are still really sound with no moth or other appreciable damage. If I'm lucky, I may still have a picture of the hat being wore by it's original owner.

If I can talk a friend into letting me borrow his digital camera again, I'll put up some shots of it and possibly some others as well depending on how much room I have left after I get done migration my site .... again.

-- Mara

Gwyn Carnegie
University of California, Davis

--=====================_6435000==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03541 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:05:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11IfPF17540; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:41:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11IfGA03749; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:41:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11IehA03401 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:40:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-63.214.79.170.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.79.170] helo=[63.214.78.13]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Wic8-0004R5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:40:46 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020201173922.99954.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Singing [was Wearing Black ; Goth jewelry before that!] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:35:50 -0400 Status: RO Joan Hall writes: >Sarah, we must be twins who were separated at birth!! >I am a classic example of the Church Choir definition >of Alto: a Soprano who can read music! "Joan, would >you be a dear and lead the Alto section -- we need a >good strong voice...." No girls, we're triplets. It's a proven FACT that any woman who can read and count is ALWAYS directed to the Alto section... Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net Editor, Boston Early Music News Deadline Jan. 30 for February 15 issue for events February 15-March 31, 2002 http://www.earlymusicboston.com /bemn for CALENDAR /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:18:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03585 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:18:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11It8F19023; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:55:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11It2A11208; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20409.mail.yahoo.com (web20409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11IqYA09841 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:52:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201185237.51719.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:52:37 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <8076945C1@mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:52:37 -0800 (PST) Status: RO If your friend is in Boston, s/he probably already knows about DiCarlo Fabrics, right by the Boston Common. Large selection of good quality wool, also linen, some silk, cotton. Not exceptionally cheap, but your friend said "good" not "cheap." :) Apparently they do a lot of business with Rev. War reenactors, but they didn't seem real familiar with earlier period reenactors when I was in buying the gorgeous camel/gold wool and eggplant linen for my Shinrone gown. Yeah, a lot of their selection is somewhat "suity," but in my experience that's just the majority of what's being woven these days. :( They do have a website, although they don't seem to have their stock online. But when I was there the guy was very helpful. Also, if I correctly understood him, once you have seen a sale price, they will honor that price for you on that particular item as long as they have it in stock. http://www.dicarlofabrics.com/ No affiliation, just happy with my experience. -Angela P.S. When I was proof-reading my message, I found I had typed "seam" instead of "seem" at every occurance. Sigh. --- Teddy wrote: > Hello, oh fount of information (Yes, I mean YOU, oh > wonderous and > varied subscribers to h-costume) > > A friend in the Boston (U.S) area has emailed me to > ask if I could > ask on-list about on line sources for good, thin, > but not suit-looking > wool. She wants to make a 16th century Flemish > outfit (a-la Drea's > book) and needs the fabric for that. > > > Well, that's basically it.. I'm looking for > lightweight wool > > suitable for ren dresses, but not suity-looking. > I'm sure the > > h-costume folks will know exactly what I mean. Of > course I could > > just go on h-costume MYSELF but the last thing I > need is another > > mailing list. > > So if you can help, I'll gladly forward details to > her. > > Ta muchly > > Teddy > (off to sprog wrangle for musical friends at a > FilkCon) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03627 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:24:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11J16F19733; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:01:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11J10A14496; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f247.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.247]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11IwpA13337 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:58:50 -0800 Received: from 66.136.212.132 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:58:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.212.132] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 18:58:50.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C4D4030:01C1AB52] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:58:50 Status: RO I'm going to be finishing a modern skirt that I'm making without a pattern. It's a real Learning Experience - why things go together in the order they do. :) It's also the first time I've installed a zipper. (all these years of sewing, and I've avoided the darn things til now!) Then I'm either going to go through my UFO's and try to determine why they're UFO's, or I'll start a new project! (Probably start something new - it's easier!) Mary/Katerine >What kinds of weekend projects is everyone else doing? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03638 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:25:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11J1JF19783; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11J18A14587; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:01:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from fnal.gov (heffalump.fnal.gov [131.225.9.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11IxJA13636 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena.fnal.gov ([131.225.122.154]) by smtp.fnal.gov (PMDF V6.0-24 #37519) with ESMTP id <0GQV000ULBEKWL@smtp.fnal.gov> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:59:09 -0600 (CST) From: Deb Baddorf In-reply-to: <20020201173922.99954.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: baddorf@mail.inil.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020201125706.00a96870@mail.inil.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Subject: [h-cost] current afghanistan leader's clothing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:59:22 -0600 Status: RO Is "Monday" history yet? The interim leader of Afghanistan is apparently wearing some wonderful outfits! There is a smidgeon of a photo (only waist up) with this article: http://www.msnbc.com/news/697859.asp It's a sumptuous green silk "chapan" (they say). Deb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:37:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03678 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JE8F21251; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JE2A00255; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JClA29519 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16358 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket In-Reply-To: <007e01c1aace$850ea940$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:12:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ok! Gives me a new excuse to go out and get more green wool :) -- Mara On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Hey, Mara... lets start a new fashion craze with the justaucorp coat! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:40:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03701 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:40:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JH7F21510; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:17:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JH2A01689; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f11.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JEHA00379 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:14:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:14:15 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.62 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:14:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.62] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2002 19:14:15.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3D80390:01C1AB54] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 11:14:15 -0800 Status: RO I have two weeks to make 23 bodices and 12 more skirts for the choir. If I ever sew for a school again I will have to plan better and make sure there is room for more students. I got three new girls to sew for on Wed. My weekend is just like my weekdays, sewing, sewing, and more sewing. :) They will be stunning when finished though. :) Jennifer >>What kinds of weekend projects is everyone else doing? >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:46:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03739 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:46:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JN6F22115; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JN1A04535; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JLaA03894 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:21:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.cf.122a0f97 (4568) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:21:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] current afghanistan leader's clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:21:25 EST Status: RO And two articles--New York Times yesterday and the Washington Post today. Here is the link to the Post one. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6020-2002Jan31.html Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03763 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:49:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JQ9F22428; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JQ3A06378; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JP9A05692 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:25:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18411 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-Reply-To: <200202010809.AAA26450@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:25:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Well, I'm 33 now, but I wouldn't say I'm an _ex_ goth. Ex punk, yes. > Mostly because the rainbow colored hair is too labor intensive and > involves too many nasty chemicals. And I felt like growing my hair > out again. Older goths start to resemble the slightly batty aunties > in "Practical Magic." LOL! I aspire to be a batty aunty. I think it would be fun. Unfortunately, my 2-yr-old nephew lives 500 miles away, so visits won't be that frequent. > Some of it is that I _must_ avoid sunlight > thanks to a rather nasty medical condition. So I wear the big wide- > brimmed hats. Which means I _have_ to trim them with ribbons and > drippy lace and silk roses, right? And I occasionally use a parasol, > which also had to be trimmed. And if I was going to have to wear > full-coverage clothing all the time, it should at least look _interesting_, > right? Which is a major reason I sew outside of theatrical costumes. > Almost all my jewelry is either my work or custom work by someone else, > so I at least avoid the cheap silver jewlery trap. > > I'm not yet dingy enough to wear my spoon bonnet out in public. ;} > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Sounds like a look to me! Why not? - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 13:50:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03772 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:50:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JQFF22443; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:26:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JQ9A06421; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JPFA05738 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.12b.b9b4fa5 (4568) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <12b.b9b4fa5.298c4597@aol.com> Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:25:11 EST Status: RO This weekend--taking slides for a costume presentation. I'm THIS close to finishing a square dance dress--just need to sew bodice and skirt together and put all the elastic in, but it's been that way for a couple of weeks now. I don't need to wear it until mid-March but really need to get it done. I've put in many zippers in my time but try to avoid them these days. The square dance dress is a modified peasant blouse bodice that slips over the head and has an elastic waist. Ann Wass P.S. Re: zippers, probably the absolutely hardest thing to do is to replace a zipper in a pair of men's pants. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03849 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:08:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Ji7F24137; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Ji1A15780; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JgZA15147 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:42:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21579 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair In-Reply-To: <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:42:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > Even the "cutting it short" part is medieval if you consider it the > > equivalent of joining a religious order (which sometimes involved > > cutting the hair short, although you couldn't see it under the > > headgear). Sigh... I'm struggling with the hair issue again, because I've got hair that reaches my waistline, and every spring when we get warm weather (we've had unseasonably warm weather lately) I get the urge to cut it off. Well, now, I've discovered that my hair has thinned (temporarily, I assume). This is probably because I had a major operation in late October, which removed a small section of colon and part of my pancreas (all's well now, I'm happy to report), and while my digestive system was healing I couldn't eat anything. And... I'm allergic to glucose. So, for about a week, I was in the hospital on an IV drip, saline only, living off my body fat. (Helluva way to lose 10 lbs, I don't recommend it.) I figure that the roots of my hair got shocked from the starvation and operation, and consequently got brittle, so now when I brush it, it's breaking. The good news is that I think it's just about done; the bad news is that I think it's lost about 1/3 of its volume. My hubby says he can't see a difference, which is also good news. But it's really tempting to cut it, so what's left has less weight on it and will have more 'bounce'. (wails) But then I wouldn't have anything to pin my cap into for period events... and couldn't use hatpins for pinning my hats on in windy weather... It's just not worth it, I'll have to grin and bear it until it all fills out again. (Vanity, vanity ) -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03866 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:10:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Jl7F24428; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:47:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Jl1A17265; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JkqA17187 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:46:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22302 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:46:56 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:46:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, aleed wrote: > For really nice wools, I usually hit Burnley & Trowbridge. They don't > have an online presence, morebut they have a fantastic selection of wool > solids in a variety of weights. Timeless Textiles is online, but their > prices will make you wince. Their site timelesstextiles.com appears to be > temporarily down. > > Good luck! > > Drea I heard that Timeless Textiles was having some trouble with their bank -- has anyone heard any updates? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:13:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03946 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:13:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Jo6F24804; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Jo1A18826; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JmjA18155 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:48:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22636 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1900-1925 hats In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201092515.03b5a9a0@blue.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:48:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh, I would _really_ love to see it... I've been looking at hats from that period, with an eye toward possibly making one. Will wait with anticipation :) Regards, Mara On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Gwyn Carnegie wrote: > At 09:38 PM 1/26/2002 -0500, you wrote: > I have one right now that I'm a little of half way done restoring. It's a > black lace net with a black silk crepe (3mm approx) interlining over a > black cotton covered wire frame. I'm guessing it was made between 1895 and > 1910. The frame was definitely home-made. All but 1 of the original > feathers are still really sound with no moth or other appreciable damage. > If I'm lucky, I may still have a picture of the hat being wore by it's > original owner. > > If I can talk a friend into letting me borrow his digital camera again, > I'll put up some shots of it and possibly some others as well depending on > how much room I have left after I get done migration my site .... again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03961 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JoJF24824; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Jo9A18902; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JnaA18632 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:49:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22749 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:49:40 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Singing [was Wearing Black ; Goth jewelry before that!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:49:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 sheilabb@earthlink.net wrote: > No girls, we're triplets. It's a proven FACT that any > woman who can read and count is ALWAYS directed to > the Alto section... Or second sopranos... I figured they stuck me there in college chorus because I played the viola and could sing harmony. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04119 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Ju6F25496; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Ju1A21883; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g11JsdR21207 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:54:39 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Singing [was Wearing Black ; Goth jewelry before that!] Message-ID: <20020201125439.D1569@net.indra.com> References: <20020201173922.99954.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020201173922.99954.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:54:39 -0700 Status: RO I'd like to request people wind down this subject or take it offline, as it is very off-topic for the list. Thanks. ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:20:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04161 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11JuHF25512; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JuCA21975; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:56:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11JsbA21191 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A06261110F5 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:52:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010301c1ab95$07c348c0$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re: [h-costTimeless Textiles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:55:10 -0500 Status: RO Timeless Textiles is not just temporarily down. Sadly, they went out of business completely last november. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "aleed" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool > > Hmm...http://www.fabrics-store.com has some black and rose wools for > sale, for $7.50/yd. Usually Phoenixtextiles.com has some, but currently > they only have wool crepes. gstreetfabrics.com bit the dust, > unfortunately...they always had the best online selection of wools. > > Fabricclub.com has some wool flannels, but that's about it--unless she's > willing to consider poly-wool blends like worsterlon. Crepes and patterns > seem to be in right now. > > For really nice wools, I usually hit Burnley & Trowbridge. They don't > have an online presence, morebut they have a fantastic selection of wool > solids in a variety of weights. Timeless Textiles is online, but their > prices will make you wince. Their site timelesstextiles.com appears to be > temporarily down. > > Good luck! > > Drea > > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Teddy wrote: > > > Hello, oh fount of information (Yes, I mean YOU, oh wonderous and > > varied subscribers to h-costume) > > > > A friend in the Boston (U.S) area has emailed me to ask if I could > > ask on-list about on line sources for good, thin, but not suit-looking > > wool. She wants to make a 16th century Flemish outfit (a-la Drea's > > book) and needs the fabric for that. > > > > > Well, that's basically it.. I'm looking for lightweight wool > > > suitable for ren dresses, but not suity-looking. I'm sure the > > > h-costume folks will know exactly what I mean. Of course I could > > > just go on h-costume MYSELF but the last thing I need is another > > > mailing list. > > > > So if you can help, I'll gladly forward details to her. > > > > Ta muchly > > > > Teddy > > (off to sprog wrangle for musical friends at a FilkCon) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:31:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04356 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11K8NF26780; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:08:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11K8HA28186; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-68.outblaze.com [205.158.62.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11K79A27585 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:07:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 51987 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Feb 2002 20:07:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20020201200708.51986.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [156.41.168.26] by ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for lithiate@earthlink.net; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 04:07:08 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Singing [was Wearing Black ; Goth jewelry before that!] X-Originating-Ip: 156.41.168.26 X-Originating-Server: ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 04:07:08 +0800 Status: RO I'm thinking we need to form the "Three Altos who are really Sopranos" Tour. Heheheheheh. Truthfully, my range is only impressive in my lower-middle register (high alto, low mezzo) or my middle soprano range. Either direction away and the one in between is not so lovely. Back when I was actively training my voice, I had a good solid 3 1/2 octave range, but it's more like 1 1/2 now. On a good day. And yes, I sight read too well for my own good. 16 years of piano lessons paid off in that regard... ;P Sarah who rarely touches the piano these days, but loves to sing -----Original Message----- From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:35:50 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Singing [was Wearing Black ; Goth jewelry before that!] > Joan Hall writes: > > >Sarah, we must be twins who were separated at birth!! > >I am a classic example of the Church Choir definition > >of Alto: a Soprano who can read music! "Joan, would > >you be a dear and lead the Alto section -- we need a > >good strong voice...." > > No girls, we're triplets. It's a proven FACT that any > woman who can read and count is ALWAYS directed to > the Alto section... > > > Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net > > Editor, Boston Early Music News > Deadline Jan. 30 for February 15 issue > for events February 15-March 31, 2002 > http://www.earlymusicboston.com > /bemn for CALENDAR > /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble > /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society > > 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 > VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:34:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04376 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:34:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11KB7F27113; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:11:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KB2A29909; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepZ.post.tele.dk (fepz.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11K8jA28480 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:08:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.99]) by fepZ.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020201200848.BOLP395.fepZ.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:08:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3C5AF5BA.6020504@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weekend projects was:seriously OT British References: <20020201162845.80084.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:08:26 +0100 Status: RO Hello! Your Estampie reminded me of a danish church mural. I dont know if this picture is known to Americans, it is in a danish church from (i think) 14th century. It consists of some pairs of gentlemen and ladies each making the steps that makes a medieval danse. Each person shows the steps in the danse. The picture is very famous here in Denmark, but i dont know if it is in forreign countries. Your tea gathering sounds really lovely, i bet you have a wonderfull time when you gets together and makes some serious sewing. Bjarne Joan Garner wrote: >--- Sue Clemenger wrote: > >>What kinds of weekend projects is everyone else >>doing? >> > >I've just joined SCA, and find sewing skills much in >demand. So on Sunday, I'm having several ladies who >need garb and want some help over to my house for a >tea-party-garb-planning session. > >I also want to finish up my Medievalish Dance* >composed to honor the soon-to-be-invested new Baron & >Baroness of Vinhold. I would like to present them >with a neat-and-tidy manuscript of the dance, and a >cassette of me playing it on the harp. I'm done >composing, but I need to finish the pretty copy, learn >to play the *%&! thing and make the tape. > >*for those who actually care, it's an Estampie > >Iohanna the Harper >[Joan Hall] >"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if >this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." >--Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:44:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04442 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:44:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11KK8F28126; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:20:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KK1A05424; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KHmA03857 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:17:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.140]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020201201751.QCX27436.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:17:51 -0600 Message-ID: <3C5AF7A3.2070209@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:16:35 -0600 Status: RO If I do any sewing it will be finishing one "Norman" gown and starting another. But Saturday I have to head over to next months War site to meet Their Majesties and get a count on the Awards Regalia box, then put out a call for stuff we need for court. Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:49:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04476 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:49:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11KQ8F28927; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KQ2A09371; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KPOA08960 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g11KQcd07715 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA29496 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) In-Reply-To: <3C5AF7A3.2070209@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm working on a new flemish gown, front-lacing with a solid front skirt & cap sleeves. It's completely reversible--blue wool on one side, rosy-russet on the other. :) 2 gowns for the price of one! I'm making reversible green & red wool sleeves to go with it. The bodice is done...I just have to finish the skirt and sew the lacing rings on. Drea On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Katie wrote: > If I do any sewing it will be finishing one "Norman" gown and starting > another. > But Saturday I have to head over to next months War site to meet Their > Majesties > and get a count on the Awards Regalia box, then put out a call for stuff > we need > for court. > > Katie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04492 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:52:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11KT7F29275; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KT1A11050; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KRfA10397 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA02066 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202012045.MAA02066@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Mara Riley [tale of agony and woe in the hospital] > I figure that the roots of my hair got shocked from the starvation and > operation, and consequently got brittle, so now when I brush it, it's > breaking. The good news is that I think it's just about done; the bad > news is that I think it's lost about 1/3 of its volume. My hubby says he > can't see a difference, which is also good news. Actually, the follicles can be shocked into dormant mode. When that happens, the hair stops growing and eventually falls out. When the shock from surgery or illness is severe, you can get handfuls falling out all at once. The good news is that the follicles usually wake up again. But it's not normally breakage that causes the hair loss. B vitamins and biotin especially help convince the hair to start growing again. I know people who megadose on biotin, but ask your doctor first (I did). > But it's really tempting to cut it, so what's left has less weight on it > and will have more 'bounce'. (wails) But then I wouldn't have anything > to pin my cap into for period events... and couldn't use hatpins for > pinning my hats on in windy weather... It's just not worth it, I'll have > to grin and bear it until it all fills out again. (Vanity, vanity grin>) You can have your ends trimmed into a blunt cut, which helps hide the fact that the hair is thinning. A shallow U curve or a straight line work the best for disguising hair fallout. You don't have to cut very much (no more than is needed to even the ends out) to see good results. The evil part comes when the hair starts growing back in and you have a "halo" of short, unruly hairs around your face. I'm busy growing out a blunt bob these days and the little halo hairs have mostly grown to reasonable lengths now. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 14:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04533 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:58:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11KZ8F29954; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KZ2A14104; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g11KXZN13417; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:33:35 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Cc: harperhouse@longago.com Message-ID: <20020201133334.A25088@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] good buying experience Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:33:35 -0700 Status: RO We aren't shy to share bad examples of customer service, so I wanted to make sure I highlighted a great one. On Saturday, I called Harper House (http://www.longago.com/) to order the pattern for the Spanish Loose Gown. Unfortunately, they didn't have the pattern in stock. They let me know this immediately, and asked if I wanted to order the pattern for delivery in 2-3 weeks. Since I need to make the gown for Feb 9th, that wasn't going to work for me. (I'm actually making a Russian dress much like the Loose Gown and decided to try to save myself some patterning effort by buying this instead.) Harper House thought they might be able to get the pattern drop-shipped to me from their source to speed delivery, and sure enough they called me back about 30 mins later to let me know it would be sent Priority Mail on Mon or Tue. It was mailed Monday and I had it on Thursday. I do customer service for a living, and it's a pleasure to be on the receiving end of a good transaction. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04580 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:01:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Kc7F00352; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:38:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Kc1A15704; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-74.outblaze.com [205.158.62.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11Kb2A15195 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3535 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Feb 2002 20:37:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20020201203700.3514.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [156.41.168.26] by ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for lithiate@earthlink.net; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 04:37:00 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) X-Originating-Ip: 156.41.168.26 X-Originating-Server: ws2-3.us4.outblaze.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 04:37:00 +0800 Status: RO This weekend, I swear, I will finish my 14th c. kirtle. I have to finish making the buttons and then sewing them on (both sleeves and the front are buttoned), working the button holes, finishing the neck, sleeves and hem and then I will feel as though I have accomplished something. After this, I have a huge ball of hemp twine that was sent to me with express orders to make a pair of corded stays for a project I'm working on with a few other costuming buddies. So much to do... No deadlines, except to get them done. ;) Sarah -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04695 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:13:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Ko8F01546; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:50:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Ko1A22432; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Km9A21338 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id NAA02251 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202012105.NAA02251@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Okay, so if I understand correctly, it's a four-pannel dress with trapezoidal skirt pieces so the skirt flares out from the fitted bodice. Were the sleeves generally set in, or were they essentially tubes with an underarm gusset? And were the sleeves straight, or slightly curved as seen in later garments? I'm starting to seriously consider working up a sloper so I can do particolor dresses, but I'd like to get the right outline and details first. I've never done any serious medieval costumes, only stage stuff, so I figure I ought to go back to the sloper stage and get it right before I do anything else. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" :wq _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04790 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:16:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11KrCF01841; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Kr6A24353; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:53:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KpLA23265 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:51:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from picard.dnaco.net (picard.dnaco.net [207.238.206.4]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g11KqZd12678 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by picard.dnaco.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA00700 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:55:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: picard.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) In-Reply-To: <20020201203700.3514.qmail@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:55:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > After this, I have a huge ball of hemp twine that was sent to me with express orders to make a pair of corded stays for a project I'm working on with a few other costuming buddies. So much to do... No deadlines, except to get them done. ;) What period are the stays? Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:17:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04817 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:17:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Kr7F01832; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:53:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Kr1A24306; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20302.mail.yahoo.com (web20302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11KowA22931 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:50:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201205058.33760.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:50:58 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:50:58 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- aleed wrote: > The bodice is done...I just have to finish the skirt > and sew the lacing rings on. I just _love_ the whole lacing-ring concept. I used lacing rings last year on my wedding gown bodice. I heard about them while I was trying to screw up my courage to punch into that expensive silk with a dime-store grommet-setting-thing. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:25:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04979 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:25:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11L26F02905; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11L21A29814; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11KxFA28118 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:59:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from goofy1 (ip13.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.13]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17E911112C9 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:57:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <029e01c1ab9e$0f6f0100$0d604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg and Dianne Stucki" To: References: <20020201133334.A25088@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] good buying experience MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:59:49 -0500 Status: RO I make a habit of telling people when I get really good service. And I don't just tell the people who are doing such a great job, I go over their heads and tell their boss! Poor service is so common now, I really feel strongly that the standouts should be recognized. And now I shall trot over to Harper House's website with shivers of pleasant anticipation! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Lear" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] good buying experience > We aren't shy to share bad examples of customer service, so I wanted > to make sure I highlighted a great one. > > On Saturday, I called Harper House (http://www.longago.com/) to order > the pattern for the Spanish Loose Gown. Unfortunately, they didn't > have the pattern in stock. They let me know this immediately, and > asked if I wanted to order the pattern for delivery in 2-3 weeks. > Since I need to make the gown for Feb 9th, that wasn't going to work > for me. (I'm actually making a Russian dress much like the Loose Gown > and decided to try to save myself some patterning effort by buying > this instead.) > > Harper House thought they might be able to get the pattern > drop-shipped to me from their source to speed delivery, and sure > enough they called me back about 30 mins later to let me know it would > be sent Priority Mail on Mon or Tue. It was mailed Monday and I had > it on Thursday. > > I do customer service for a living, and it's a pleasure to be on the > receiving end of a good transaction. > > ...eliz > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05039 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:36:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11LDBF04059; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11LD1A05995; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11LABA04523 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:10:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (async155-19.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.115.155]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id ADE75115; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:10:13 GMT Message-ID: <002701c1ab65$753775a0$9b7343d4@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] 1948 costume emergancy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:14:37 -0000 Status: RO I need a 1948 UK costume for Tomorroe Sat night any quick & dirty ideas ? Female Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05141 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:50:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11LP7F05162; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:25:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11LP1A12587; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11LMLA11085 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.42.2184bb49 (3862) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <42.2184bb49.298c6103@aol.com> Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.2184bb49.298c6103_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:22:11 EST Status: RO --part1_42.2184bb49.298c6103_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 2:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > P.S. Re: zippers, probably the absolutely hardest thing to do is to replace > a zipper in a pair of men's pants. > A great big AMEN to that! Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_42.2184bb49.298c6103_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 2:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes:


P.S.  Re: zippers, probably the absolutely hardest thing to do is to replace
a zipper in a pair of men's pants.


      A great big AMEN to that!
Lalah
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--part1_42.2184bb49.298c6103_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 15:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05188 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:59:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11La7F06382; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11La1A18613; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11LXkA17512 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:33:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.18c.2c12c40 (3862) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <18c.2c12c40.298c63b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1948 costume emergancy To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18c.2c12c40.298c63b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:33:39 EST Status: RO --part1_18c.2c12c40.298c63b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about a straight, knee length skirt and a sweater set? Or an ankle length ballerina skirt and a peasant blouse. We wore both back then in the US. I expect the ladies of the UK were more dignified than to wear the peasant blouse/ballerina skirt thing though. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_18c.2c12c40.298c63b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      How about a straight, knee length skirt and a sweater set?  Or an ankle length ballerina skirt and a peasant blouse.  We wore both back then in the US.  I expect the ladies of the UK were more dignified than to wear the peasant blouse/ballerina skirt thing though.

Lalah
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--part1_18c.2c12c40.298c63b3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 16:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05348 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11M5AF09577; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:05:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11M50A04746; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11M4bA04558 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02919 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:20:51 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <200202012105.NAA02251@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:20:51 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Hmm, I guess I'd better answer this one ;-) First, a terminology note: The term "cotehardie" is used more widely today than it seems to have been used in the period. Medievally, the term referred specifically to an overgarment, and all indications are that it was primarily used to describe a male garment. But of course I do know what you're talking about -- the basic female Gothic fitted dress of the mid-14th through mid-15th centuries, which could be worn alone or as an underlayer beneath a variety of more formal overdresses of various shapes. (One of those overdress options was another fitted dress, which was constructed using essentially the same technique as the fitted underdress, but had a few stylistic and technical differences.) > Okay, so if I understand correctly, it's a four-pannel dress with > trapezoidal skirt pieces so the skirt flares out from the fitted bodice. That's essentially how I do it, though I wouldn't really think of it as "bodice" plus "skirt"; the dress predates the idea of a division. You'll develop the shape of each piece as an integral whole, top to bottom. The narrower fabric used in the period would not have generated distinctly "trapezoidal" skirt pieces; rather, you would have added skirt gores to the slight flare of the seams at sides and/or front and back, as your figure and fabric required. If your fabric is wide, you can integrate the gores into the body pieces with reasonable success, but I find that using gores gives me a bit more flexibility in dealing with hip, tush, and tummy bulges -- I shape the body in four panels, and determine the gore placement based on the angle at which the panels separate below the waist. This is harder to do if you've tried to build the gores in to start with. > Were the sleeves generally set in, or were they essentially tubes with > an underarm gusset? Definitely set-in if you're talking about a true fitted dress. Set-in sleeves seem to have been developed in the 1330s or so, and they were essential to the development of the fitted style. The other key technological innovation of this time was the center front opening, which allows you to narrow the body further than would be possible if you were slipping the garment over the head. Both those innovations made possible the close fitting you see by mid-century. The exact silhouette proceeds to change slightly over the decades; there are actually several variants on the "basic" fitted dress over time. > And were the sleeves straight, or slightly curved as seen in later > garments? There are several good options, and I'd guess that all were used at some time/place or another. I like to make mine in two long curved pieces, or one piece that's like two but attached at the upper part. But that's the shape I come up with *after* I fit the sleeve on the body. If you try to cut the sleeve first to a predetermined shape, you will have a lot more trouble making it work on an individual. > I'm starting to seriously consider working up a sloper so I can do > particolor dresses, but I'd like to get the right outline and details > first. I've never done any serious medieval costumes, only stage > stuff, so I figure I ought to go back to the sloper stage and get it > right before I do anything else. Three thoughts here. First, if you are thinking in terms of slopers and patterns, you are working contrary to the nature of the dress, which is draped and fitted on the body. Each dress will have slightly (or drastically!) different angles on it, depending on the reaction between the specific piece of fabric and the specific body. Even dresses made for the same person can have distinct differences. Making a sloper, in which you establish the shape of the pieces in advance, works as cross-purposes to the fitting process. Once you develop one dress (or mock-up), you can use it as a shortcut template from which to cut further dresses, but you still need to do the close fitting on each individually. At least, that's the way I do it. There are other people who make their fitted dresses using a patterned approach, but the results really are different. Your choice depends on your goals, such as whether you want your figure to end up looking medieval or modern. Second, you might want to read over some of the (many, extensive) discussions that have appeared here on this topic before. I have had so many requests for my past posts with fitting tips that I have collected them into a single document, which you can find at my not-quite-a-webpage, . There you are also welcome to take a copy of my workshop handout; it won't teach you to make the dress, but it will provide a lot of background information that may help you understand the style better. Third, if you are concerned about accuracy, bear in mind that there is little evidence supporting the wear of particolored dresses by most women. The few images I know of that show particolored female dresses seem to all involve entertainers or have a theme of music/dance/gaming. Particoloring does not appear, to my knowledge, on "ordinary" images of women, though I'd be happy to be proven wrong. (There are many examples on men, and also many written references to male particoloring.) --Robin, who was once known for a screaming red-and-blue satin particolored fitted dress with big dagged sleeves _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 16:40:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05438 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:40:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11MH7F10929; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:17:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11MH1A11283; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11MFOA10481 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:15:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02980 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:31:37 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Weekend projects was:seriously OT British In-Reply-To: <3C5AF5BA.6020504@post12.tele.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:31:37 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Leif Drews wrote: > Your Estampie reminded me of a danish church mural. I dont know if this > picture is known to Americans, it is in a danish church from (i think) > 14th century. It consists of some pairs of gentlemen and ladies each > making the steps that makes a medieval danse. Each person shows the > steps in the danse. > The picture is very famous here in Denmark, but i dont know if it is in > forreign countries. I would love to see this. Can you cite a source -- a book, or even online -- where I might find it? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 16:43:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05463 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:43:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11MKCF11251; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:20:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11MK0A12846; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11MJOA12494 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:19:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03013 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:35:38 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] On-line sources of good wool In-Reply-To: <8076945C1@mdx-cf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:35:38 -0600 (CST) Status: RO To Drea's list I would add Fashion Fabrics Outlet, which is based here in St. Louis. They sell leftovers from New York designers. Their online store has different stock from the brick-and-mortar warehouse I go to, but the warehouse is full of wool, and I seem to remember the online store having a lot of wool too. The URL is . --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 17:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05599 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Mk9F14239; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:46:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Mk2A26594; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Mh7A24809 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:43:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.231] (helo=[216.119.36.231]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WmOl-0001yC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:43:12 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 14:40:12 -0800 Status: RO > What period are the stays? Eartly 16th century. It's part of the grand scheme of Jen Thompson... She's the one who sent me the hemp (bless her heart, it's a birthday present :). So far I've just been attempting to document this method in stays during this time period, but that's been like looking for a needle in a haystack. We've reached a concensus that it's probably not going to be documentable, but it gives the right look, so we'll go from there. Right now we're primarily interested in testing this type of bodice on different body shapes... Part of the project is to use different methods of stiffening to achieve the right look and Jen's contribution was the cord. My contribution will be buckram, which is documentable, although I'm still trying to figure out how it's going to work (buckram wrinkles are worse than normal wrinkles). Any suggestions? Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 17:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05628 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11MnRF14582; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:49:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11MnDA28396; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11MlCA27347 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:47:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA03604 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202012304.PAA03604@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:04:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > > Okay, so if I understand correctly, it's a four-pannel dress with > > trapezoidal skirt pieces so the skirt flares out from the fitted bodice. > > That's essentially how I do it, though I wouldn't really think of it as > "bodice" plus "skirt"; the dress predates the idea of a division. You'll > develop the shape of each piece as an integral whole, top to bottom. I wasn't actually thinking in two pieces. But even when you make a basic princess-seamed modern dress, the fitted part is often referred to as the "bodice" for lack of a better word. > The narrower fabric used in the period would not have generated distinctly > "trapezoidal" skirt pieces; rather, you would have added skirt gores to > the slight flare of the seams at sides and/or front and back, as your > figure and fabric required. If your fabric is wide, you can integrate the > gores into the body pieces with reasonable success, but I find that using > gores gives me a bit more flexibility in dealing with hip, tush, and tummy > bulges -- I shape the body in four panels, and determine the gore > placement based on the angle at which the panels separate below the waist. > This is harder to do if you've tried to build the gores in to start with. > First, if you are thinking in terms of slopers and patterns, you are > working contrary to the nature of the dress, which is draped and fitted on > the body. Each dress will have slightly (or drastically!) different angles > on it, depending on the reaction between the specific piece of fabric and > the specific body. Even dresses made for the same person can have distinct > differences. Making a sloper, in which you establish the shape of the > pieces in advance, works as cross-purposes to the fitting process. Once > you develop one dress (or mock-up), you can use it as a shortcut template > from which to cut further dresses, but you still need to do the close > fitting on each individually. Okay, I'm making a dress for _myself_. I tend to make a master pattern, a sloper, for anything I'm going to make more than one of. It's good to keep the master on file just in case I want to make another some time down the road. It at least gives me a starting point. A "sloper" should be fitted to the individual. A generic sloper lets you draft certain types of patterns, but there's more than one type of sloper. So I'm making the generic "fitted dress" pattern just now. Some people refer to that as the muslin, some to it as a sloper. It depends entirely who you learned your tailoring skills from and _when_ they happened to learn, since the terminology changes. The whole point of drafting a generic starting point is to make draping go faster, rather than starting out with huge pieces of fabric. I've _never_ assumed that a drafted pattern will fit perfectly, for anything. > Second, you might want to read over some of the (many, extensive) > discussions that have appeared here on this topic before. I have had so > many requests for my past posts with fitting tips that I have collected > them into a single document, which you can find at my not-quite-a-webpage, > . There you are also welcome to take a > copy of my workshop handout; it won't teach you to make the dress, but it > will provide a lot of background information that may help you understand > the style better. > > Third, if you are concerned about accuracy, bear in mind that there is > little evidence supporting the wear of particolored dresses by most women. > The few images I know of that show particolored female dresses seem to all > involve entertainers or have a theme of music/dance/gaming. Particoloring > does not appear, to my knowledge, on "ordinary" images of women, though > I'd be happy to be proven wrong. (There are many examples on men, and also > many written references to male particoloring.) Ah, but I _am_ a performer, so I don't have to worry about niggling little arguments about authenticity. I know ordinary women didn't wear particolor, but that's not an issue for _me_. Besides, my normal response to people who want to stitch-count is to cheerfully acknowledge, "Yes, I know it's not accurate." Performance costumes are always different from ordinary clothing. What I needed was the basic _shape_ of the garment. I've seen a lot of fitted dresses made off commerical princess-seamed dresses, and they just don't have the right silhouette. The hint that someone passed on a while ago about _not_ adjusting the front center seam for fitting answered a big question, which was how they got that flat-fronted look to the skirts. It also explains why the princess seamed dresses look flat wrong to my eye. That, and the fact that necklines are almost always wrong. I've got the Simplicity pattern, but I really wanted to try something that didn't waste huge amounts of fabric. Plus, I'm fairly sure that the odd half-circle gore in the side of the skirt is wrong. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 17:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05747 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:30:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11N77F16133; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11N71A07770; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm3.jersey.juno.com (wm3.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.223]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11N4DA06438 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCk8WKdiullWnVJXjUb9OwJLqxiTAvquJsw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm3.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GSLM44NZ; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:04:17 EST To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020201.180417.568.117508@wm3.jersey.juno.com> Subject: [h-cost] Heads up on new costume movie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:04:08 GMT Status: RO Hello Everyone! I'm here in England, being hosted by the Fabulous Teddy, and I popped 'round to Hampton Court today and to my surprise I found that they were in the midst of filming a movie there. It's set in the 17th century and deals with events around the execution of Charles I. It is provisionally to be called "Cromwell and Fairfax" and stars Tim Roth (British Bad-Guy Extraordinaire) as Cromwell, Rupert Everet as Charles I, and Dougray Scott as Thomas Fairfax. From what I saw of the costuming it looks pretty good. I'll admit that Cavlier isn't my period of focus, but I think I know enough to say that there weren't any glaring errors that I saw, everyone looked pretty authentic, the Cavaliers were clearly distinguishable from the Roundheads, and there were a couple of outfits I saw from a distance that I was just panting to get a better look at. I did manage a few shots (some technically legal and some a bit questionable) so I will try to post them as soon as I get back. I actually saw T! im! Roth but it was far away and he wasn't in full costume, just the bottom part with a really aggressively lime green winter coat over top. It's being made to be shown on (BBC) Channel 4, but they are now saying that it may go into general distribution so everyone keep a lookout for it. Another good part of having large sections of the palace off limits was that they actually opened up parts one normally doesn't get to see, so inspite of the fact that this is my 6th visit (it's a sickness) I got to see parts of the place I've never seen before, so that was cool. Anyway, having a lovely time, I'll leave some fabric and trim for the rest of you, honest! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM Fri Feb 1 17:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05758 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11N47F15891; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11N40A06333; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11N35A05861 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:03:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.225] (helo=[216.119.36.225]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Wmhy-00052a-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:03:03 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202012304.PAA03604@gw.retro.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM Errors-To: h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@INDRA.COM List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:00:18 -0800 Status: RO > > I've got the Simplicity pattern, but I really wanted to try something > that didn't waste huge amounts of fabric. Plus, I'm fairly sure that > the odd half-circle gore in the side of the skirt is wrong. Then I think Robin's fitted dress is probably the least time consuming, fabric wasting, pretty-darn-near accurite version of this style out there. :) Regardless of whether you're wearing it for the stage, or to impress your stitch-counting friends, this really is the best way to go about it. I'm currently working on my own gothic-fitted dress and even though I'm doing this off pure intuition and from the little snippets of Robin's instructions that filter through the net, I have to say that it's one lovely gown when all is said and done. So, Robin, I'm dying to see the demo in real life... What's the chances of you making it out to California any time soon? Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:05:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05932 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g11Ng9F19474; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g11Ng1A24911; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13606.mail.yahoo.com (web13606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.117]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g11NfBA24517 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:41:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020201234115.32008.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.126.129.182] by web13606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 15:41:15 PST From: Michelle Hain Subject: [h-cost] WOW! Big Fabric Sale To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 15:41:15 -0800 (PST) Status: RO After I wiped all of the drool off my keyboard, I thought some of you all might be just as thrilled by this as I am... Felsen Fabrics ( www.fabrics4u.com ) is having a *50% off Entire Online Inventory* sale! The things that particulary caught my eye were: Cotton velvet for $6.50 100% Linen for $3.50 and $7.50 Rayon velvet for $6.50 and BUNCHES more. Anyway, I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I've ordered cotton velvet and taffeta from them and have been very happy. Have fun! 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Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:34:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06038 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:34:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g120BCF21816; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120B1A07571; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120A9A07208 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:10:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.189.99.56] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 4161594 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:15:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020201234115.32008.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020201234115.32008.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOW! Big Fabric Sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:10:12 -0500 Status: RO >Felsen Fabrics ( www.fabrics4u.com ) is having a *50% >off Entire Online Inventory* sale! Lots of nice looking fabrics, but how can one find out what colors they come in? "Many colors available" isn't all that helpful, and precluded me, anyway, from ordering.... -Amanda Fisher _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:55:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06111 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:55:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g120WDF23388; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120W6A15678; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120TqA14813 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:29:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Wo41-000GzN-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:29:53 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:17:33 +0000 Status: RO Massaria dC wrote >>Guess the same thing applies to Goths. "Let's be different from >>>everyone else, and all look alike." > >Goths are well aware of this part of there subculture, at least the >ones who don't take it too seriously. > >>Do Goths ever outgrow that look? What happens >>to ex-Goths? > >I am an "ex-goth", though I still have blue hair even now, I don't >dress as a goth any more. All my friends are pretty much now ex-goths >as well, in that they don't really dress as goths anymore. However, >even though all the make-up is gone, and the jewellery that you >describe, most of us still have a wardrobe of black, burgundy and >purple. One of my ex-boyfriends still goes to clubs but he got himself >a t-shirt which has SOG on the front standing for "Sad Old Goth" as >this pretty much how he views still being a goth in your 30's > >Having said this I know people in their late 40's who still dress as >goths, but most people tend to stop in my experience. > >Massaria > >Or were you talking about people who dress in furs and horns trying to >recreate the original Goths of late antiquity? - I know a few of them >too, who also "grew-up" and stopped dressing that way ;-} > Our friends had a "Gothic" wedding. They said "Interpret it how you like". She wore black crushed velvet, he wore a red and black slashed and puffed doublet, and the best man wore his Maximillian plate armour! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06115 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:55:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g120WPF23408; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120WIA15758; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120TsA14826 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:29:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Wo41-000GzR-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:29:56 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:30:36 +0000 Status: RO Last week on Time Team... they were investigating a monastic site, and one of the archaeologists volunteered to spend 24 hours as a Gilbertine nun. The re-enactors who were showing her what to do said it would have been shaved. But she said her hair (shoulder-length bob) was really difficult and uncomfortable under the wimple, and she felt it would have been easier if it was cut very short. Certainly you wouldn't want your nuns distracted by needing to fiddle to keep their hair tucked in. Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >Here's something I've always wondered...how short was it cut? Did it >depend on the order? >--Sue > >Heather Rose Jones wrote: >> > >> >> Even the "cutting it short" part is medieval if you consider it the >> equivalent of joining a religious order (which sometimes involved >> cutting the hair short, although you couldn't see it under the >> headgear). >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:55:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06119 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:55:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g120WTF23420; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120WNA15797; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:32:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120TsA14830 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:29:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16Wo41-000GzO-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:29:57 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:25:59 +0000 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote > >Another factor -- and I'm guessing here, not having looked over the site >myself -- may be weight or body size. In traveling (and shopping!) in >Europe, I have often been struck by the overall smaller body size of >Europeans and the relative rareness of overweight. Americans seem to have >a larger proportion of larger people, and the difference is evident in >degree as well as number. For no clear reason (and I do not wish to >speculate), I have found this particularly apparent in the SCA (and in >certain similar groups, such as American sf fandom). > >I've had to take this into account as I teach costuming, since most >medieval constructions were designed around the assumption of a generally >slimmer body size and smaller bone structure. For instance, if you want to >use period fabric widths, you'll run into trouble if your body is too wide >for that fabric width to accommodate in the traditional number of panels. >And some fitting methods that work just fine with a medievally >average-sized woman don't work on large women. > >--Robin I'm glad an American said that :-) I certainly noticed it when we were in New England last year. It's not just the actual size, but it's something about the way the weight seems to be distributed. I felt that fat British people are usually sort of flabby, and especially in men it really runs to "beer belly", whereas fat Americans seem to be plumped out all over - almost as if they'd been pumped up with air. I can't imagine why there should be that difference. As to why it's particularly prevalent in certain groups, I think to some extent they attract the sort of people who don't care, who aren't interested in conforming to the ideals of beauty presented in the media. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 18:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06131 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:58:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g120Z7F23620; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:35:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120Z1A16712; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g120YXA16556 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-002nynyorp041.dialsprint.net ([168.191.119.153] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Wo8b-0006Gg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:34:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5B0CBD.2020803@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <4.3.1.2.20020131225410.00dcd2e0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: wearing black Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 16:46:37 -0500 Status: RO Goths and Punks? You don't spend a lot of time in NY, do you? *G* Seriously, we do wear black a lot. Seem to be a lot of reasons. Partly certainly just cultural. Partly ethnic backgrounds - lots of people here who look good in black, including me! Sometimes professional. I wear black, or black and white, depending on the client for demo work, I often wear blacks in a theater, because I work backstage. Sometimes they all come together - when I was designing in the downtown OOB theatres I practically lived in black... On the other hand, I've rarely seen it worn as mourning. I certainly didn't... When my husband died, I didn't have any black, because he didn't like it on me, and it also wasn't as fashionable then. (And it didn't fit in my life, then. My life has changed. Many years...) The only tailored dress I owned was red, so I wore it, feeling it was better than my Blue-but-very-dressy dress. Buying a new wardrobe didn't feel right to me. I did wear a dark suit jacket over the dress... toned it down a bit! What I see is more that people do tend to the tailored for funerals and wakes. Suits, tailored dresses, slightly severe styles. Fewer accessories. And women do tend to wear skirts, not pants. And I have a close male friend who can produce a suit for a funeral, though I would have sworn he didn't own one! So it is more style than color. And I've wondered - when did the custom of mourning clothes really start, for ordinary people? I've seen a few early royal references mentioned here, but does anyone know when widows, particularly, start "going into blacks"? I know it hit full blossom in the 19th century, but I think it was around before then... Anne Who is glad she is not expected to wear mourning clothes... Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > OCC: What colour is for mourning these days, since Goths and Punks > use black for everyday-wear? When did black become OK to wear during > the day? > > Kayta > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 19:28:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06264 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:28:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12158F25461; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:05:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12151A26386; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1214xA26374 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:04:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p113.directcon.net [209.79.209.162]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29566 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:03:19 -0800 Message-Id: <200202020103.RAA29566@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:03:19 -0800 Status: RO . So, Robin, I'm dying to see the demo in >real life... What's the chances of you making it out to California any time >soon? Me too! Maybe as a Costumer's Guild event? Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 19:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06299 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:36:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g121C9F25883; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:12:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g121C2A28649; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1215GA26472 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.141]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020202005843.KKBH27436.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:58:43 -0600 Message-ID: <3C5B3977.30908@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOW! Big Fabric Sale References: <20020201234115.32008.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:57:27 -0600 Status: RO Ohhhh cuuuut veeellveetttss!!! Katie *falls to her knees paying homage to the great Michelle* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 20:46:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06583 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g122NAF29309; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:23:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122N1A18386; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122KtA17946 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:20:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:20:55 -0800 Received: from 63.12.14.84 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 02:20:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.84] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2002 02:20:55.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E451680:01C1AB90] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:50:54 +1030 Status: RO
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:42:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin & Mara Riley <lindo@Radix.Net>
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair
Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com

> > Even the "cutting it short" part is medieval if you consider it the
> > equivalent of joining a religious order (which sometimes involved
> > cutting the hair short, although you couldn't see it under the
> > headgear).

>Sigh... I'm struggling with the hair issue again, because I've got hair
>that reaches my waistline, and every spring when we get warm weather
>(we've had unseasonably warm weather lately) I get the urge to cut it off.
>Well, now, I've discovered that my hair has thinned (temporarily, I
>assume).  This is probably because I had a major operation in late
>October, which removed a small section of colon and part of my pancreas
>healing I couldn't eat anything.  And... I'm allergic to glucose.  So, for
>about a week, I was in the hospital on an IV drip, saline only, living off
>my body fa! t.  (Helluva way to lose 10 lbs, I don't recommend it.)
>I figure that the roots of my hair got shocked from the starvation and
>operation, and consequently got brittle, so now when I brush it, it's
>breaking.  The good news is that I think it's just about done; the bad
>news is that I think it's lost about 1/3 of its volume.  My  hubby says he
>can't see a difference, which is also good news.

>But it's really tempting to cut it, so what's left has less weight on it
>and will have more 'bounce'.  (wails)  But then I wouldn't have anything
>to pin my cap into for period events... and couldn't use hatpins for
>pinning my hats on in windy weather...  It's just not worth it, I'll have
>to grin and bear it until it all fills out again.  (Vanity, vanity <rueful
>grin>)

>-- Mara

I also have waist-length hair and in hot weather it can be a real nightmare to have loose.
What I do is braid it and pin it up in a coil for day-wear, at night I un-pin it but leave it braided for sleeping. If I'm not going anywhere the next day I don't un-braid it until the next morning (this saves your hair from exessve brushing).
 
I hope this helps, so that you can keep your hair long.
 
Rebecca Anderson
aka
Lady Adele Anders

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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 21:10:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06714 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g122lHF00599; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:47:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122l1A24452; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122k2A24227 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:46:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.49.197.81] ([24.49.197.81]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GQVX0Q00.9W7 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:46:02 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) From: rob and laurie gage To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 21:49:10 -0500 Status: RO on 2/1/02 3:29 PM, aleed at aleed@dnaco.net wrote: > > I'm working on a new flemish gown, front-lacing with a solid front skirt & > cap sleeves. It's completely reversible--blue wool on one side, > rosy-russet on the other. :) 2 gowns for the price of one! I'm making > reversible green & red wool sleeves to go with it. > > The bodice is done...I just have to finish the skirt and sew the lacing > rings on. > > Drea > what kind of rings do you use, and where do you get them? i've experimented w/stitch markers (from the knitting dept) and the eye parts of hook and eyes with limited success. thx, laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 21:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06732 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:13:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g122o7F00713; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:50:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122o1A25228; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122l7A24482 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:47:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m254.in-tch.com [216.166.191.254]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g122ZaT14161 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:35:37 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5B5434.6EB62F8F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:51:32 -0700 Status: RO These sound really kewl....when did they actually *become* documentable? --Sue, curious..... Sarah Lorriane wrote: > > > What period are the stays? > > Eartly 16th century. It's part of the grand scheme of Jen Thompson... She's > the one who sent me the hemp (bless her heart, it's a birthday present :). > So far I've just been attempting to document this method in stays during > this time period, but that's been like looking for a needle in a haystack. > We've reached a concensus that it's probably not going to be documentable, > but it gives the right look, so we'll go from there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 21:22:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06783 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:22:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g122x8F01077; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122x0A27414; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g122uRA26743 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:56:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.1e.227ba14e (1322) for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <1e.227ba14e.298caf56@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e.227ba14e.298caf56_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: wearing black Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:56:22 EST Status: RO --part1_1e.227ba14e.298caf56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 8:28:30 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > And I've wondered - when did the custom of mourning clothes really > Along this line how long in the 1800's in the central states, Illinois, would a person be in mourning? I was watching a program the otherday talking about mourning customs and the time the listed seemed real long. Is there a good factual book on the subject? A website maybe? Does Penny have a mourning link on her site? I should go look over there I guess. Also what about other rules of mourning? Like how long would a widow not go out shopping, to Church, to social engagements? Thanks, Kelly --part1_1e.227ba14e.298caf56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/1/02 8:28:30 PM Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


And I've wondered - when did the custom of mourning clothes really
start, for ordinary people?


Along this line how long in the 1800's in the central states, Illinois, would a person be in mourning?  I was watching a program the otherday talking about mourning customs and the time the listed seemed real long.  Is there a good factual book on the subject?  A website maybe?  Does Penny have a mourning link on her site?  I should go look over there I guess.
Also what about other rules of mourning?  Like how long would a widow not go out shopping, to Church, to social engagements?  
Thanks,
Kelly --part1_1e.227ba14e.298caf56_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 21:32:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06859 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:32:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1238AF01519; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:08:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12381A29582; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (b.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.103] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1235OA28978 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 9858 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 03:08:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (207.40.100.81) by mx2.famvid.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 03:08:32 -0000 Message-ID: <034c01c1ab96$65e47680$1e6428cf@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] OT: The Batty Auntie was "Goth" jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:04:57 -0500 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > Well, I'm 33 now, but I wouldn't say I'm an _ex_ goth. Ex punk, yes. > > Mostly because the rainbow colored hair is too labor intensive and > > involves too many nasty chemicals. And I felt like growing my hair > > out again. Older goths start to resemble the slightly batty aunties > > in "Practical Magic." > > LOL! I aspire to be a batty aunty. I think it would be fun. > Unfortunately, my 2-yr-old nephew lives 500 miles away, so visits won't be > that frequent. I AM the batty aunty. It's GREAT fun. I have 7, 10, 12, and 13 year old nieces who always want "Aunt Jeanne" dresses and skirts to wear (I live in velvets and silks. Mostly flowy, drapey, and ankle-length. And velvet Doc Martens, or my lime green patent leather Docs.) I have a 4-year old nephew, dinosaur crazy, who thinks I'm the greatest because I bought him coprolites (fossilized dinosaur poop). My sisters have learned to tolerate it. They don't question that I take their children to 60's holdout coffeehouses with bad poetry readings and terrible acoustic music and feed the kids trendy smoothies at $5/each, herbal teas, or fancy italian sodas, and introduce said kids to strange, multiply-pierced, green-haired adolescents who then meet the kids in the mall when they're with their mothers and grab 'em and hug 'em. The kids LOVE being "grown up" enough to go with me. They have a great time. The 7-year old's goals in life are to have an earring in her bellybutton and a tattoo like Aunt Jeanne. Makes her mother soooo proud. OTOH, my 22-year old daughter. I love her. I'm incredibly proud of her. She makes great money, bought a house for $75k, a week after her 21st birthday with her own credit, drives a 2001 Jeep Cherokee, is married for the last year and a half, not pregnant, has plans to open her own business...how the HELL did I raise a yuppie????? We've decided that all children must rebel, and with her mom being so "out there" she had to rebel by being conventional. Jeanne who was quoted in a "goth parent's" article for Morbid Outlook recently. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 21:48:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06930 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:48:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g123PBF02237; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:25:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123P0A03680; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix3-hme0.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.83] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g123MOA03136 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5464 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2002 03:22:29 -0000 Received: from s17.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.67) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 2 Feb 2002 03:22:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020201221721.009fb460@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200202020227.g122R5A19501@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_100335445==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Phoenix Gown? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:24:21 -0500 Status: RO --=====================_100335445==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi! A friend of mine is planning on doing a hand-sewn reproduction of Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix Gown, and we have some questions: 1: Does anyone have any ideas for the pattern on the partlet? 2: What sort of stitches should she use for the leaves on the skirt? 3: The bottom part of the dress. Does anyone know what the bottom of the dress looks like? Any ideas? 4: was there a decorative banding around the hem? 5: What about the forepart? Is that just a medallion pattern in silk, or were there different designs? 6: and did the forepart have a banding or some other design? TIA for any help, ideas, etc!! Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.net Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_100335445==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi!

A friend of mine is planning on doing a hand-sewn reproduction of Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix Gown, and we have some questions:

1:  Does anyone have any ideas for the pattern on the partlet?
2:  What sort of stitches should she use for the leaves on the skirt?
3:  The bottom part of the dress.  Does anyone know what the bottom of the dress looks like?  Any ideas?
4:  was there a decorative banding around the hem?
5:  What about the forepart?  Is that just a medallion pattern in silk, or were there different designs?
6:  and did the forepart have a banding or some other design?

TIA for any help, ideas, etc!!

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.net
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/
 --=====================_100335445==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 21:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07071 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g123aAF02654; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:36:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123a3A06122; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123ZhA06047 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:35:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04461 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:51:53 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <200202012304.PAA03604@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:51:53 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Thanks for the clarifications on your thought process, Lee. Please believe me, nothing I said was meant to be critical. Every issue I brought up was something I've run into frequently, and so I'm used to explaining some points that, apparently, you've already understood on your own. I did not know what your starting point was, so I provided the information that I have found to be relevant when I've gotten such questions in the past. Please accept my comments only as general advice/hints, and use them in whatever way pleases you, if at all. > I wasn't actually thinking in two pieces. But even when you make a > basic princess-seamed modern dress, the fitted part is often referred > to as the "bodice" for lack of a better word. Just making sure. It's a bit of a conceptual thing that it's good to be aware of; some people will treat the bodice area as one unit and the skirt area as another, even with single-piece construction. That's what I was feeling around for, based on the way you phrased your initial comment. > So I'm making the generic "fitted dress" pattern just now. Some people > refer to that as the muslin, some to it as a sloper. It depends entirely > who you learned your tailoring skills from and _when_ they happened to > learn, since the terminology changes. The whole point of drafting a > generic starting point is to make draping go faster, rather than starting > out with huge pieces of fabric. I've _never_ assumed that a drafted pattern > will fit perfectly, for anything. Yes, there are certainly different meanings for "sloper." It sounds as though you have the concept clearer than most people do when I've heard them use that word. ;-) I usually call this a mockup, partly to eliminate the confusion. For many people, a sloper is a paper pattern created base on measurements, which definitely won't work here. Mockups, as I said in my earlier post, are a perfectly good shortcut if you think you might want to make more than one dress, and if you are prepared to go through the fitting process with each. One thing that's crucial, and that you may already have figured out, is to make your mockup from the right material -- one that will have much the same reactions to the process as the material you intend to use for your dress. I've found strong linen to be just about perfect. Cotton does not behave well in this construction. (I used to use it a lot, and had many more fitting problems.) Too lightweight a fabric will not stand up to the fitting process, and will not do the job that a lined dress will do. > Ah, but I _am_ a performer, so I don't have to worry about niggling little > arguments about authenticity. I know ordinary women didn't wear particolor, > but that's not an issue for _me_. Besides, my normal response to people > who want to stitch-count is to cheerfully acknowledge, "Yes, I know it's > not accurate." Performance costumes are always different from ordinary > clothing. Which is why I prefaced this comment with a note that this factor may not apply to you depending on your purpose and goals. I'm certainly not suggesting you (or anyone!) shouldn't do particolor, if it pleases you, or if it is appropriate for your desired goal! Please do not lump me in with the "stitch-counters." I was merely providing data that you might find helpful as you made choices, not suggesting what specific choice was appropriate in your circumstances, which I could not possibly know. > What I needed was the basic _shape_ of the garment. I've seen a lot > of fitted dresses made off commerical princess-seamed dresses, and > they just don't have the right silhouette. The hint that someone > passed on a while ago about _not_ adjusting the front center seam for > fitting answered a big question, which was how they got that > flat-fronted look to the skirts. It also explains why the princess > seamed dresses look flat wrong to my eye. That, and the fact that > necklines are almost always wrong. You have a good eye. Many people do not spot that difference in silhouette. Another factor involved here is that the typical princess-seamed garment is designed to go around an established shape, not to create a shape. The commercial patterns, in particular, assume that you will be wearing a bra. In the medieval method, the dress is its own foundation, and it is designed to react *with* the body shape to produce a specific silhouette -- which happens to be much different from the princess-seamed silhouette, and in fact much different from anything that exists today, under modern methods. The role of dress-as-foundation means that the shapes of the pieces depend in large part on how much weight is being placed against them at various points, not simply on the person's measurements. Measurements change as the fabric exerts pressure on the body; the fabric changes as the body exerts pressure on the garment. Perhaps the most important hint I can offer anyone who is looking for the medieval silhouette is to do fittings while lying down. You want the internal mass of the breasts to shift into the top half of the breast, mostly above the nipple, not remain in the lower half. Lying down positions the internal mass in close to the right place and allows you to fit the dress to the lower half of the breasts at their "emptiest," so the torso of the dress forms a smooth, widening funnel. When you are at the correct degree of fitting, you will be able to stand up and experience little-to-no "drop" of the breasts; the breast mass will have no room to drop into, and so will remain high. You do not simply want to create a "shelf" on which to place the breasts, or a "bag" in which to hold them; you want to reshape and reposition them. At the peak of the fashion -- Tres Riches Heures style -- the breasts formed high, round mounds. Earlier, though, they were distributed over a slightly greater area, but forming a less prominent but still pleasantly rounded bulge. The difference here is mostly neckline. The earlier version has a higher neckline, so there is fabric pressing over the entire breast area. Cut the neckline down, and you release the pressure on the top, allowing more breast mass to escape upward in response to the pressure from beneath. I go into this more in my handout (I think it's under the section on why you don't fall out of your dress), so I won't continue here. > I've got the Simplicity pattern, but I really wanted to try something > that didn't waste huge amounts of fabric. Plus, I'm fairly sure that > the odd half-circle gore in the side of the skirt is wrong. I definitely agree with you. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07107 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:08:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g123j8F02993; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123j1A08233; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (root@rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123hoA07832 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2214.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.214]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09268 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:43:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5B5F6A.FFC64F08@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edge finishing, 11th-12th c.? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:39:23 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Robin. I would go to the Norse sources for clothing. A scrap of textile from York (pg 100, top of page in Richard Hall's "The Viking Dig" ISBN 0-370-30821-2) looks to me as if it was folded over and basted with an overcast stitch, although I can't see the stitching remaining (it might have been linen). Judy, you would be better on this than I. I would also guess that tablet weaving bands were incorporated into edge bindings. Even with the 14th Cent. Greenland finds, some garments were definitely not lined, others could have been. You might want to look to the Boksten garment, which is dated to early in the 1300s. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:11:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07119 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g123m8F03073; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123m0A08776; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123jfA08340 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:45:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04526 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:01:53 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <200202020103.RAA29566@artemis.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:01:53 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 Margo@Margospatterns.com wrote: > >. So, Robin, I'm dying to see the demo in > >real life... What's the chances of you making it out to California any time > >soon? > > Me too! Maybe as a Costumer's Guild event? I haven't had any California invitations yet, but I wouldn't object to one! Next appearance on my calendar is the Outlands (SCA) Costume Collegium in April, in southeastern Colorado (about halfway between Denver and Albuquerque, IIRC). As plans stand now, I'll be talking about the fitted dress (not teaching it, but explaining its development and context) and the Greenland gored dress. I've given both those talks at Boise and in Kansas City, so a few people on this list have heard them already. There's one picture of me in the fitted dress in Penny's 2001 Costume Ball, to which I've linked from my not-quite-a-webpage. Eventually I hope to link to other people's photos of dresses made from my methods. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:25:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07194 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:25:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12428F03793; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:02:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12421A11934; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g123xMA11287 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:59:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.5] (helo=[216.119.36.5]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WrKp-0001g2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:59:27 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C5B5434.6EB62F8F@in-tch.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 19:56:50 -0800 Status: RO Wellllll... The earliest I've seen in actual phsyical form is mid-18th century, although it's been rumored that they were common at least since the 17th century. Tracking down this sort of thing has been amazingly difficult. We wound up agreeing that since we have evidence of corded peticoats from the 16th century, they at least knew that you could stiffen stuff with cord. ::shrug:: At any rate, the shape that corded stays give the body is the closest I've seen yet to the rounded bosom look of the early 16th century Italy and Germany. Jen's got pictures of her stays up on her site already and she goes into some more detail on the process that she went through to arive at that point. Check out her site: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/diary2.html It's good stuff. :) Sarah on 2/1/02 6:51 PM, Sue Clemenger at mooncat@in-tch.com wrote: > These sound really kewl....when did they actually *become* documentable? > --Sue, curious..... > > Sarah Lorriane wrote: >> >> Eartly 16th century. It's part of the grand scheme of Jen Thompson... She's >> the one who sent me the hemp (bless her heart, it's a birthday present :). >> So far I've just been attempting to document this method in stays during >> this time period, but that's been like looking for a needle in a haystack. >> We've reached a concensus that it's probably not going to be documentable, >> but it gives the right look, so we'll go from there. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07241 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:31:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12488F04025; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:08:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12481A13276; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1245IA12672 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:05:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.5] (helo=[216.119.36.5]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WrQZ-0007Xq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:05:23 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:02:56 -0800 Status: RO on 2/1/02 9:01 PM, Robin Netherton at robin@shell.nightowl.net wrote: > > I haven't had any California invitations yet, but I wouldn't object to > one! So, uh, I guess on behalf of us Californians I cordially invite you to our humble state. ;) Seriously, I think there's a lot of interest out here... I like Margo's idea of going through a costume guild (GBACG or the Sacramento Guild, either one works for me) or... Anyone else have any ideas? Someone who knows how these things work, please speak up! I just know I'd be there no matter what, sitting right there upfront. :) Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:31:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07245 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:31:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1248IF04035; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1248BA13312; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:08:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1245fA12776 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA06370 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202020423.UAA06370@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOW! Big Fabric Sale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:23:19 -0800 (PST) Status: RO And black silk dupioni for $4 a yard. And linen for $3.50/yd. Oh thank you, thank you Michelle. You just saved me a lot of money. I'd been dithering because I needed to buy fabrics this month to get some stuff done before morris season starts. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:39:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07297 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:39:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g124G8F04303; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g124G1A15093; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g124EMA14685 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:14:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p77.directcon.net [209.79.209.126]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28852 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:12:45 -0800 Message-Id: <200202020412.UAA28852@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:12:45 -0800 Status: RO >what kind of rings do you use, and where do you get them? i've experimented >w/stitch markers (from the knitting dept) and the eye parts of hook and eyes >with limited success. I use roman drapery rings, which are gold-toned, slightly less than half an inch across, and very strong. At least I haven't broken one yet, and I'm a big girl. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 22:42:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07334 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:42:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g124J7F04471; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:19:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g124J0A15757; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g124IGA15590 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:18:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA06640 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:35:54 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202020435.UAA06640@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:35:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO One more thing about fitting gothic dresses: I vaguely recall running across a reference to large-breasted women binding their breasts. Small, round breasts were the fashion, after all. The quote I remember was, "But if a woman's paps are large, let her bind them." I have no idea _where_ I saw that though, so it may have been a book that's full of bunkum. About the fabric shaping the body: been there, done that with both corsetry and with renaissance faire bodices. But with those, you can use boning to do part of your work. I do need to ask _how_ linings were used in medieval garments. The victorian stuff I'm used to doing was flat-lined to give the seams more body. It sounds at least from your handout that you are expecting the lining and the outer fabric to be two seperate layers. If this is the case, can you give your justifications? I didn't think that turned linings were all that common. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 23:12:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07596 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:12:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g124n9F05828; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:49:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g124n1A22732; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13509.mail.yahoo.com (web13509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g124lVA22407 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:47:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020202044736.77007.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web13509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 20:47:36 PST From: Sheila To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200202012029.g11KTDA11170@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 16c Womens Irish? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:47:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I was looking at that pink dress by DeHeere, which you can see here in b&w, http://www.kelthaven.org/leine/leinepix.html and was wondering about her hat, does anyone know what this is? I read that he's not a reliable source, but a friend likes this style, so I made a simple bodice with skirt and sleeves that I left open on the bottom, all from green-patterned cotton, then I put beige rick-rack trim on the bodice and sleeves. Also is this a front-lacing style? In which case should I put rings on it, or lacing holes? Or is it better to use hook & eyes? Or is this really a persona preference question? Thanks for all commentary! Sheila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 1 23:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07816 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:42:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g125J9F06895; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g125J1A29379; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g125G4A28647 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:16:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05004 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:32:16 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <200202020435.UAA06640@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:32:16 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > One more thing about fitting gothic dresses: I vaguely recall running > across a reference to large-breasted women binding their breasts. > Small, round breasts were the fashion, after all. The quote I > remember was, "But if a woman's paps are large, let her bind them." > I have no idea _where_ I saw that though, so it may have been a book > that's full of bunkum. If you ever find it, do let me know. I'd love to know what place/time this came from, if it's real. (I occasionally come across an image of a woman with really big breasts in a fitted dress, or with other figure elements that do not fit the ideal. I keep a collection of these as evidence that there was indeed variation in real women.) > About the fabric shaping the body: been there, done that with both > corsetry and with renaissance faire bodices. But with those, you can > use boning to do part of your work. And the methods are correspondingly quite different. My onetime research partner specialized in Elizabethan, and we often gave tandem lectures. She would point out that her corset could stand by itself -- you could see the shape of the Elizabethan figure in it even without a woman inside. By contrast, when I took off my dress, it fell into a limp heap on the ground. The shaping did not occur because of any intrinsic shape in the garment, but by the placement of grain (for pressure) and off-grain (for flexibility) at various parts of the body, to coax the movable pieces into certain positions. > I do need to ask _how_ linings were used in medieval garments. The > victorian stuff I'm used to doing was flat-lined to give the seams > more body. It sounds at least from your handout that you are > expecting the lining and the outer fabric to be two seperate layers. > If this is the case, can you give your justifications? I didn't think > that turned linings were all that common. I frankly don't think we know, and I've simply done what works based on the little information we do have. We do know that linings became more common in the 14th century, even for the lower class, from documentary evidence. (Christopher Dyer comes to mind as one author who gives a nice set of citations for lined garments and some discussion of their appearance in written records, in "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," and IIRC the wardrobe accounts in Newton's "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince" refer to linings fairly frequently.) I used to make these dresses without a lining, and they did not work nearly so well. I now consider the lining essential to the structure of this garment. The use of a lining is also a logical step in the progression of later styles that developed out of this period, which definitely required multilayer construction and eventually seems to have led to the separation of the structural layers into a separate foundation garment. So I don't think it's at all unreasonable to assume the existence of a lining as a default for the Gothic fitted dress, with the understanding that of course there was no one rule that governed every dress. But as to how they lined it ... I'm guessing. For my purposes, I find it easy to fit a lining (which has the seam allowances to the outside, and which provides much of the structural support to the garment) and then to cut the outer fabric to match. I haven't tried flatlining, but then, I haven't seen any evidence that would suggest that flatlining was a more viable choice, and I haven't read anything from the archaological finds that suggest the presence of flatlining specifically (as opposed to suggestions of a lining in general), such as shreds of a lining fabric surviving in a seam at the appropriate places. I would be glad for any solid information. If you try flatlining a fitted dress, let me know how it works. (I wonder what the pourpoint of Charles de Blois shows ... if we know. I have heard that it was extensively remade during preservation, and that the garment was quilted to a lining to preserve it, so that the lining visible now was not original. I don't know what clues might be apparent around the edges. Nor do I know what sorts of lining were common in, say, Elizabethan clothing, but by then construction methods were so very different from 14th century that wouldn't tell us a lot about what was done earlier.) Creating the lining as a separate piece does not necessarily mean a modern turned lining. I have experimented with a variety of ways to handle this. In some cases I cut off my lining without the seam allowances at neckline and armholes (which *really* helps during the fitting). I finish the neckline by turning and binding the edge of the outer fabric over the raw edge of the lining; I finish the armholes by binding the raw edges of the lining to the seam allowances of the outer fabric. I do often stitch and turn on the front lacing opening, but that's mostly to save myself work joining the edges when I am machine-stitching. If I were handstitching, I would do it differently. As I try to say often, my method is only my best guess. It works for me and for others, and it produces the desired silhouette better than any other method I've seen. I've based it on the small bits of information we do know, and I am constantly revising it as I find more small bits. I work to avoid making assumptions or introducing any technology, equipment, or approaches that were not known to be used in the period or could logically be inferred. But our information on cutting technique is scarce, and I have had to guess at a lot, and my guesses may be wrong. Or there may be multiple workable approaches, of which this might be just one. There are a variety of things I can pretty securely say were probably not done at this time (e.g. separate foundation garments, waistline seams). But I cannot make an authoritative statement that my method is what *was* done, only that it is consistent with what I know. Use it if you like; change it if that works for you; let us know if you make improvements. And do keep challenging what doesn't seem right to you. It helps me to stop and rethink my reasons for doing certain things. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 00:01:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07864 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:01:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g125cBF07612; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g125c1A03779; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g125aUA03365 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.6] (as-5-34.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.20]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g125aZQ06217 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:36:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:36:11 -0800 Status: RO At 12:32 AM -0600 2/2/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >But as to how they lined it ... I'm guessing. For my purposes, I find it >easy to fit a lining (which has the seam allowances to the outside, and >which provides much of the structural support to the garment) and then to >cut the outer fabric to match. I haven't tried flatlining, but then, I >haven't seen any evidence that would suggest that flatlining was a more >viable choice, and I haven't read anything from the archaological finds >that suggest the presence of flatlining specifically (as opposed to >suggestions of a lining in general), such as shreds of a lining fabric >surviving in a seam at the appropriate places. I would be glad for any >solid information. If you try flatlining a fitted dress, let me know how >it works. I need to go back and check the exact information, but my recollection is that the "golden gown" of Queen Margareta (14th c. Denmark) uses a form of flat-lining. The problem with my recollection is that the dress has been worked over by researchers a couple times, and I'm not entirely certain that the flat-lining is part of the surviving original or a feature of the modern reproduction, or part of the conservation, or what. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 00:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07983 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 00:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g125vAF08298; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g125v1A07989; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g125sHA07407 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:54:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p478-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.224]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA21161 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:54:19 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p478-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.224] claimed to be user Message-ID: <007701c1abae$1a995480$e0c1adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:54:38 +1300 Status: RO > At any rate, the shape that corded stays give the body is the closest I've > seen yet to the rounded bosom look of the early 16th century Italy and > Germany. Jen's got pictures of her stays up on her site already and she > goes into some more detail on the process that she went through to arive at > that point. Check out her site: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/diary2.html Extremely excellent! Oh, ohohohoh- I was thinking the cording texture might not be documentable.. but I suddenly realised something!! I am not saying this is or isn't the *only* explanation but there are a few german plastrom gowns that show vertical stiffening. Either it is a stiffened plaston, which seems possible, but the majority don't look it, and then all those Lucretias and Adultresses (11 at my last count) that showthe palston being pulled... http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pdimage?45604+0+gg35a Cranach Portrait of a woman, the red platron clearly shows these lines http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45604+0+3+gg35a the lines. Yes it is wider than the cording, but it is clearly stiffening. http://sunsite.dk/cgfa/k/p-kulmbac1.htm Same thing here in this blokes outfit.. which really screams womens wear to me...I think it's the bare chest under the panel... used to seeing a cmock there in blokes stuff... and the lacing... and the plaston style.. I have a photocopy from the Friedlander.. Feidlander?? book with another exaple of this. Anyway, I'm thinking of making a trapunto worked corset.. sounds like this style might be my very next project.. as it would then happily go under my german ren garb. Thanks to both of you:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 01:04:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08331 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 01:04:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g126fJF09516; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:41:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g126dtA17266; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:40:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net [24.50.78.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g126ccA16936 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:38:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from cy737304a ([24.55.6.69]) by smtprelay3.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQW7SJ00.K1H for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 01:38:43 -0500 From: "Maggie Secara" To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200202020435.UAA06640@gw.retro.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] taking a time out Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:33:33 -0800 Status: RO Hi gang-- Recently I have discovered that if I miss even a day, I can come home to as many as 200 e-mails from this list. I can't keep up. I also haven't been sewing much of anything lately, and I'm sure part of the excuse for that is that I have all this mail to read. So I'm going to go to No Mail for a little while. I'm also deleting unread most of the messages from today and thursday. Not cranky, just weary. If you need me for anything, want my opinion, or think there's a post or thread on h-costume that I really should know about, please feel to tell me so at: maggiros@adelphia.net. I love you all. I just need a break. Back soon, I'm sure. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 05:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08085 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:12:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12AnBF15900; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12An1A15676; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12AlLA15438 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:47:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3BFD3A00A8; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 04:47:27 -0600 Message-ID: <006901c1abd6$bf0aed80$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Beginning Sewing Class Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:45:35 -0500 Status: RO I am VERY pleased to say this... I developed this class and searched along time to find the perfect patient person to teach it... well because so many of h-costume members said in the past that they didn't know how to sew. Here is your chance... Our Beginning Sewing online class is now open for enrollment! Class begins Feb. 25. Please check the schedule at www.costumeclassroom.com . This class is taught by our instructor Elizabeth Martin Gerds. She has taught sewing construction classes for many years at AlterYears, Costume College, and a weekend seminar put on every year by the Costumers Guild West. She is ready to hold her students hands through this learning process. By the time you finish this class, you will have enough experience to take Elizabeth's next class, the Kinsale Cloak. People have really been requesting this class for a long time. So I am giving h-costumers advanced notice about the class. We are only taking 25 students in this class. The only other people who know this class has opened up is the people on my website newsletter email list. BUT Monday night, I am going to announce it on other email lists... so if you want to take the class please don't wait around. Now if you don't think an online sewing class would work... ask our other instructors, Jennie, Christine, Bjarne, Marna Jean, Janice... heck, even Drea's class does a little sewing. Learning how to sew online was very far fetched when Jennie first pitched it to me last year. I have to tell you it has been one of the most wonderful experiences. You have some one to help experienced to help you. I hope to see you h-costume sewing newbies in this class. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 05:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08240 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:26:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12B3CF16178; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:03:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12B31A17918; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12B1fA17698 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A71CD5300A8; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 05:01:48 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c1abd8$bc836d60$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <006901c1abd6$bf0aed80$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beginning Sewing Class X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:59:41 -0500 Status: RO Can you tell I wrote that after pulling an all nighter???? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 05:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08508 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12BI9F16422; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12BI0A22630; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12BFsA22382 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:15:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12312.; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:23:43 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:16:00 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heads up on new costume movie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g12BFsA22382 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:15:34 +0000 Status: RO (Karen described seeing a new film about Cromwell and Fairfax being made) Apparently some members of my reenactment society (the Sealed Knot) are appearing as extras in this film. There's been some debate on the society's website as to whether or not there are glaring inaccuracies in the plot, as per usual. Isn't Rupert Everett quite a tall man? Seems an odd choice for the 5 foot Charles I... Karen says "the Cavaliers were clearly distinguishable from the Roundheads". Actually, it's debatable whether this would have been so in real life. Some wealthy Parliamentarians made a virtue of wearing plain clothes, but in general clothing styles had more to do with social class than political convictions. Looking forward to seeing the film, anyway... Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 05:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08794 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12BL9F16517; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12BL0A23134; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20306.mail.yahoo.com (web20306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g12BJGA22827 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:19:16 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020202111922.25967.qmail@web20306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.82.86] by web20306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 03:19:22 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Beginning Sewing Class To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <007701c1abd8$bc836d60$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 03:19:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > Can you tell I wrote that after pulling an all > nighter???? No...I didn't notice anything wrong. Of course, it's 3:12 a.m. !! I probably wouldn't notice WWIII happening in my front room. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 06:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09338 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:11:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12BmAF17070; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:48:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Bm1A27355; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01.chello.no (mta01.chello.no [212.186.255.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12BlRA27272 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:47:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no ([213.46.219.9]) by mta01.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.03.00.00 201-232-121 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020202114733.MEYM374.mta01@studorg.hiof.no> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:47:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3C5BD20D.6271312@studorg.hiof.no> From: "Ingrid G. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [no] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: no MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:48:29 +0100 Status: RO Robin Netherton skrev: > > I haven't had any California invitations yet, but I wouldn't object to > one! You know, Robin, I remember some time last summer that Teddy (I think) made a suggestion of having you over to England to teach a class - and you said you weren't averse to the idea. I've been thinking about it, and I'd be willing to go there (from Norway) to attend it. Is there enough interest out there to actually make it feasible? I can't afford to fly you over and pay your food, board and fee by myself, but if enough people are interested, maybe we could make it work! Is it still an option? Do you (or anyone else) have an idea of what kind of sum we'd be talking about? Ingrid - who DEFINITELY wants to learn to fit dresses like that, and craves a trip to England in any case :D _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 06:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09668 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:31:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12C8qF17547; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12C51A29946; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12C3PA29717 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:03:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020202120332.WKGK8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:03:32 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Message-ID: <3C5BD595.23386.AD89AD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C5BD20D.6271312@studorg.hiof.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-description: Mail message body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g12C3PA29717 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:03:33 -0000 Status: RO On 2 Feb 2002 at 12:48, Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > You know, Robin, I remember some time last summer that Teddy (I think) > made a suggestion of having you over to England to teach a class .... Is there > enough interest out there to actually make it feasible? Teddy mentioned it around the Far Isles at the time: I said "yes", I'm not sure how many others did. It would depend on cost of course, but I'm interested. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 07:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10259 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:04:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12CfAF18217; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:41:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Cf0A06245; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Ce6A06054 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 05:40:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020202124013.ZOOP24195.femail27.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx181913a> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 04:40:13 -0800 Message-ID: <004301c1abe7$83e67c40$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <20020201234115.32008.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOW! Big Fabric Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:45:34 -0500 Status: RO Great site, but navigating it is sometimes strange. I didn't find out about the "many colors" until I happened to click on silk habatue (habotai?) and all of a sudden I got a new page with dozens of colors on it. Maybe this is only available for certain fabrics, not all fabrics have a selection of colorways, but the button is on the screen anyway. Kinda confusing. Linda Virginia Beach, Va. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOW! Big Fabric Sale >Felsen Fabrics ( www.fabrics4u.com ) is having a *50% >off Entire Online Inventory* sale! Lots of nice looking fabrics, but how can one find out what colors they come in? "Many colors available" isn't all that helpful, and precluded me, anyway, from ordering.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 08:48:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12021 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:48:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12EPFF21180; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12EP4A25390; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:25:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12ENZA25096 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id GAA09363 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202021441.GAA09363@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 06:41:17 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Robin wrote: >And do keep >challenging what doesn't seem right to you. It helps me to stop and >rethink my reasons for doing certain things. This is why I go back and teach beginning dance classes from time to time. It reminds me what's "basic" and what's just normally assumed. My only thought about lying down to fit is that my breasts normally end up in my armpits in that position. ;} How do you compensate for the outward spreading? Or do you? Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 10:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13115 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12FgCF23968; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:42:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Fg1A10983; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12FePA10513 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:40:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06541 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:56:45 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <200202021441.GAA09363@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:56:45 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > My only thought about lying down to fit is that my breasts normally > end up in my armpits in that position. ;} How do you compensate for > the outward spreading? Or do you? I do slide them over a bit as I fit; that's a minimal change compared to the basic shift of internal mass closer to the body and upwards. It's the vertical movement that you have to fight with most when you fit upright, and lying down eliminates most of the battle. Once you have the dress on, it holds the sides in better and better with each fitting, moving more and more of the mass to the front. In any case, the breasts do not need to be forcibly clumped together in the center; they do much of that by themselves when you stand up. But you do need to get the sides snug to the ribcage, and that's something I accomplish over the course of two or three on-and-off increments. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 10:11:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13303 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:11:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12FmBF24201; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:48:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Fm1A12184; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12FjZA11672 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06587 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:01:57 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <3C5BD20D.6271312@studorg.hiof.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id g12FjZA11672 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:01:57 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Ingrid G. [iso-8859-1] Storrø wrote: > You know, Robin, I remember some time last summer that Teddy (I think) > made a suggestion of having you over to England to teach a class - and > you said you weren't averse to the idea. I've been thinking about it, > and I'd be willing to go there (from Norway) to attend it. Is there > enough interest out there to actually make it feasible? I have to be in England in July to give a paper at Leeds, and Teddy volunteered to put something together to help defray my necessary expenses. It does sound viable, and we'll work out the details (date, content, etc.) as we get closer -- I don't know when I'm flying yet. I am lecturing at Leeds sometime during the space of 8-11 July, so you might want to keep open the week immediately before and immediately after that, which would be my time to do a workshop or lectures in London. I don't know if I want to commit to a mass fitting session, but I'd be glad to have an informal demo in which I'd work through one or two mockups over the course of a day. I usually precede that sort of demonstration with a lecture to give everyone background on the style and its development, so we might manage the lecture (or multiple lectures) separately -- e.g. on a Saturday, for a larger crowd, and then have a small fitting demo in someone's sewing room on Sunday. Let Teddy know you are interested. I think he's keeping a list. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 10:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13496 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:33:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12GAAF25177; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:10:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12GA0A17244; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12G8hA17005 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:08:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-003nynyorp167.dialsprint.net ([168.191.120.103] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16X2ih-0006Fs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 08:08:51 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5C0F2F.20607@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:09:19 -0500 Status: RO You want to fly out of Kennedy? I mean, as long as you are passing... that's a nice big international airport with lots of costume people near it! *G* Anne Robin Netherton wrote: > >I have to be in England in July to give a paper at Leeds, > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 11:15:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13918 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12GqEF26962; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:52:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Go1A25832; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12GnkA25781 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:49:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-18-60.s2092.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.18.60] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16X3MP-0002Ui-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:49:53 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5C1A6D.A01E55D2@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edge finishing, 11th-12th c.? References: <3C5B5F6A.FFC64F08@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:57:17 -0500 Status: RO leigh tartaglio wrote: > Judy, you would be better on this than I. I would also guess that > tablet weaving bands were incorporated into edge bindings. Hmmm, I missed the beginning question here (been focusing to much on LotR costuming! we have a yahoo list now). Penelope Walton's book on the Small Finds of York* has some sewing charts on pages 405-407. Let's see, ways of finishing off seams - depends soemwhat on the fabric. One method simply flattens the seams to each side and whips the edges down (good with wool). another folds the edges into each other, sort of like a french seam encases, and whips the top edge closed (good with linen). Of course there's also flat-felling the seams and rolled edges (good on silk or linen). And some seams have been found with silk fabric binding the raw edges - kind of like a Hong Kong binding?? Hmm, decoratively I believe there were things in the Mammen find where naalbinding was used along the edges. That what someone was looking for? -Judy Mitchell *Penelope Walton. Textiles, Cordage and Raw Fibre from 16-22 Coppergate. The Archaeology of York, the Small Finds (volume 17 Fascicule 5). 1989, Council for British Archaeology, London. ISBN: 0-906780-79-9 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 11:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14037 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12HCfF27856; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:12:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12HC2A01038; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12H72A29832 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m187.in-tch.com [216.166.191.187]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g12GseT14622 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:54:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5C1D8D.A6F9FAC9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] current afghanistan leader's clothing References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020201125706.00a96870@mail.inil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:10:37 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, that sure is a beautiful green.....and I've always liked shirts with those kinds of collars (banded?). I keep looking for a pattern to make myself some for work..... --Sue, international, intercentury clothes horse.... Deb Baddorf wrote: > > Is "Monday" history yet? > > The interim leader of Afghanistan is apparently wearing some > wonderful outfits! There is a smidgeon of a photo (only > waist up) with this article: > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/697859.asp > > It's a sumptuous green silk "chapan" (they say). > Deb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 11:36:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14041 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:36:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12HD0F27881; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12HClA01208; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12H9lA00575 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:09:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m187.in-tch.com [216.166.191.187]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g12GwOT15378 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:58:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5C1E66.204BE45@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:14:14 -0700 Status: RO What kind of wool works best for this sort of jacket, and how much does one of them use? I've bought loads of yummy wool (last summer, before gstreet went off line) for some gothic fitted gowns, and will most likely have leftovers. Since I don't live in an area that has any 18th century reenactment, wearing them mundanely would be a great way to get me into something besides jeans and tee shirts.....[way casual office where I work ;-)] --Sue, figuring she's gonna have to give in and get the pattern Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > > Ok! Gives me a new excuse to go out and get more green wool :) > > -- Mara > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > Hey, Mara... lets start a new fashion craze with the justaucorp coat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 12:18:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14311 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:18:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12HsFF29439; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Hs1A10542; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Hr1A10288 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-003nynyorp167.dialsprint.net ([168.191.120.103] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16X4Ld-0007Fq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 09:53:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5C27A3.5020807@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] LOTR fabric question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:53:39 -0500 Status: RO No, it wasn't, and it doesn't have to be today. But if you weave fine fabric, many people won't believe it was handwoven! I didn't answer this right away, because when I was weaving, I wasn't interested in recreating historic textile, so I'm not an expert. But even so, I usually wove either 24 or 30 warp threads per inch (epi, or ends per inch.) Many historic textiles are much finer. In fact, we still can't figure out how the ancient Egyptians spun linen as finely as they did - no machine can replicate their fabric! Then, as now, it mostly depended on what you were making. You would usually use a heavier thread and, therefore, a wider sett if you were making a nice thick warm wool cloak, just as you use a heavier yarn to knit a bulky warm sweater. But wool can be spun extremely fine - look at a Shetland Shawl! So a nice dress would be much more likely to be 30-50 epi or more, to have a nice drape and a good hand. Linen will always be a pretty fine weave, partly the nature of the fiber, partly because you want a fine smooth undergarment. Silk is even finer. (Sorry, I don't have the books that show thread count. That's my next step - I want to start weaving again!) Many weavers now want to use the heavier weaves either so everyone will recognize it, or because they just plain like bulky yarns (many do), or because they hate warping *G* and this is, after all, a hobby, or because the fine weave is not cost effective for those who do it professionally. The general public will pay more for a heavy piece of cloth that everyone will recognize as handwoven than they will for a fine piece that they view as "just like machine woven" even though that takes twice as much work. Now, from a design standpoint... I do use heavier fabric onstage. It does read better. As I said, I've had people refuse to believe my own handwoven was... and on a stage, you make everything a bit bigger and more obvious, or people just don't see it. (Film is different, but I've never worked it.) And that puts me back in the classic costume design problem - I know my actions reinforce the misconception, but if I do otherwise, the audience won't understand what I am trying to convey... and my first responsibility is to the production! But finer fabric was more expensive, so I can use it for class distinctions... get some of the idea across. Anne Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > >So my question is . . . was hand-woven fabric in the past REALLY that thick? >All of it? Or is it just a style we THINK of as hand-woven? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 12:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14324 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12HvFF29604; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Hv1A11246; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12HtuA11029 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:55:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m187.in-tch.com [216.166.191.187]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g12HiUT26629 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:44:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5C28EC.E3CF7777@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:59:08 -0700 Status: RO Oh, man, that's one fascinating project she's doing....don't know if people like Jen make me want to slink away into the underbrush in shame, or try to do something similar..... --sue Sarah Lorriane wrote: > Jen's got pictures of her stays up on her site already and she > goes into some more detail on the process that she went through to arive at > that point. Check out her site: > http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/diary2.html > > It's good stuff. :) > > Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 12:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14341 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:23:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12I0CF29781; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:00:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12I01A12017; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12HxeA11917 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:59:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.98] (helo=[216.119.36.98]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16X4S3-0000YS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 09:59:48 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007701c1abae$1a995480$e0c1adcb@user> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 09:56:54 -0800 Status: RO on 2/1/02 9:54 PM, michaela at thebruce@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Extremely excellent! Yeah, that's what I said when she popped in with this project. ;) > > Oh, ohohohoh- I was thinking the cording texture might not be documentable.. > but I suddenly realised something!! I am not saying this is or isn't the > *only* explanation but there are a few german plastrom gowns that show > vertical stiffening. Either it is a stiffened plaston, which seems possible, > but the majority don't look it, and then all those Lucretias and Adultresses > (11 at my last count) that showthe palston being pulled... > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pdimage?45604+0+gg35a > Cranach Portrait of a woman, the red platron clearly shows these lines > http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45604+0+3+gg35a the lines. Yes it is wider > than the cording, but it is clearly stiffening. > > http://sunsite.dk/cgfa/k/p-kulmbac1.htm > Same thing here in this blokes outfit.. which really screams womens wear to > me...I think it's the bare chest under the panel... used to seeing a cmock > there in blokes stuff... and the lacing... and the plaston style.. Interesting you bring that up... I don't know if she included this picture on her website, but she found a painting of one of the flemish babes with the same sort of vertical "stiffening" look, that was much narrower than the ones in your german examples. We (Melissa or Sempstress.org and I) looked at it and decided it was too tough to tell if it was cording or just waled fabric of some sort (I think she even sent to pic to Drea...?) but I'll definately pass your links on to her. It may be better evidence of something stiffening the plastron/stomacher/stays between both Flemish and Germanic clothing styles of that era. Thank you for the links! :) Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 14:00:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14840 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:00:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12JbMF04136; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:37:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Jb9A06026; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:37:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Ja2A05625 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m124.in-tch.com [216.166.191.124]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g12JOXT21010 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:24:34 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5C40AD.DCC7776B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Question about fabric identification Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:40:29 -0700 Status: RO Hi. I've got a couple of yards of semi-mystery fabric I'm trying to make sense out of. It was marked as 100% wool, and is a light-weight (shirt or dress weight) twill in a lovely cream color. I want to dye it (we're going to use madder), and then I'll use it for the insides of my sleeves for a 12th century gown (the outer fabric is this scrumptious dark blue wool twill that's obviously been fulled, as it has a sort of nappy texture that makes it marvelously soft, but still light-weight). My friend, with whom I'll be doing the dyeing, saw my cream fabric and wondered if it wasn't a blend of some sort, because it didn't have the usual scratchy feel she associates with wool, and also, it's fairly stretchy for a woven. So I tried a burn test on some stray threads, and it certainly behaves like a wool...smells like burning animal hair (duh ), goes out right away when you remove the match. It doesn't smoke much, and didn't really leave much of an ash. I'm concerned, though, because if it has 2 or 3% lycra or somesuch in it (which would certainly account for the stretchiness), I have no way of knowing if the stretch is inherent in a lightweight twill, or if it's a fiber thang (none of the stuff I found on line had any info on lycra as a fiber). *sigh* I'll definitely use it anyways, but the content will affect how we dye the stuff (what kind of mordant, etc.). Do you-all think it's probably the 100% wool the bolt-end said it was? or am I better off treating it *as if* it were a blend? Thanks in advance, Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 15:02:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15127 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:02:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12KdBF06796; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Kd0A26017; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12KbvA25678 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:37:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.25]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020202203805.UCMJ16766.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:38:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3C5C4E16.2000808@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Gown? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020201221721.009fb460@mail.broadviewnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 21:37:42 +0100 Status: RO Hello I would say that the leaves is embroidered of gold bullion thread. And this is an expensive thread so the dress would cost you a fotune!! But good luck! Bjarne Victoria Wickens wrote: > Hi! > > A friend of mine is planning on doing a hand-sewn reproduction of > Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix Gown, and we have some questions: > > 1: Does anyone have any ideas for the pattern on the partlet? > 2: What sort of stitches should she use for the leaves on the skirt? > 3: The bottom part of the dress. Does anyone know what the bottom of > the dress looks like? Any ideas? > 4: was there a decorative banding around the hem? > 5: What about the forepart? Is that just a medallion pattern in > silk, or were there different designs? > 6: and did the forepart have a banding or some other design? > > TIA for any help, ideas, etc!! > > Victoria Wickens > Lady Victoria's Castle Closet > http://www.castlecloset.net > Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 16:01:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15493 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:01:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12LcDF09543; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:38:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Lc1A18386; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12LabA17986 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:36:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.110] (pm4-110.eos.net [205.133.149.110]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24867 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:32:36 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202012249.g11Mn3A28291@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:29:42 -0500 Status: RO Of course, Robin is the person to listen to on this one. But I thought I'd write a shorter letter to make something clear. The body of the gown is made of straight pieces with triangular gores inserted for flare. If you have enough fabric (pretty much any width of fabric will give you enough) you can flare the skirt from the point you want to add the gores, which will vary according to your figure and the style you want. I flare mine from the top of my hips; flaring them from beneath the ribs works too. Robin is wonderful at explaining how to make this in print, but it takes a lot of words! Be assured that it is not difficult to do, however. But it DOES take a lot of time, and it's a completely different concept from making flat patterns. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 16:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15508 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:04:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12LfCF09685; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Lf1A19097; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12LdqA18854 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:39:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g12LfQX51360 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200202022141.g12LfQX51360@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie In-Reply-To: "from Gail & Scott Finke at Feb 2, 2002 04:29:42 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:41:26 -0800 (PST) Status: RO does robin have a site, or is there a site out there where someone's using her techniques? I didn't read these threads earlier because it's not my period, but I'm really intrigued now! .heather. > > Of course, Robin is the person to listen to on this one. But I thought I'd > write a shorter letter to make something clear. > > The body of the gown is made of straight pieces with triangular gores > inserted for flare. If you have enough fabric (pretty much any width of > fabric will give you enough) you can flare the skirt from the point you want > to add the gores, which will vary according to your figure and the style you > want. I flare mine from the top of my hips; flaring them from beneath the > ribs works too. > > Robin is wonderful at explaining how to make this in print, but it takes a > lot of words! Be assured that it is not difficult to do, however. But it > DOES take a lot of time, and it's a completely different concept from making > flat patterns. > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 17:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16019 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:20:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12MvFF12977; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:57:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Mv2A06485; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12MuxA06458 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:56:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfovr.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.227.251] helo=[209.86.9.243]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16X95o-0003Gw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 17:57:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:44:16 -0800 Status: RO At 7:59 AM -0700 2/1/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: >Here's something I've always wondered...how short was it cut? Did it >depend on the order? >--Sue My educated guess: it probably did depend on each Order's particular customs. Which means it would be hard to track down historical info, since these sorts of things weren't always written down. (For example, it probably isn't written down anywhere that Poor Clares fold their table napkins in thirds, but it's customary.) I think that "traditional" style nuns (the ones that still wear full habits, though most of them have been modified somewhat) currently keep their hair an inch or so long -- very short, but not shaved. The reason, of course, being that a woman's hair is supposed to symbolize her sexual nature, which is also why (dragging costume back into this discussion by main force !) nuns wear veils and wimples, and married women in many cultures conceal their hair under a cap. I was also intrigued to discover that traditionally nuns are forbidden (unless they have special permission) to _sing_ where outsiders, especially men, are able to *see* them. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 17:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16084 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:35:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12NCDF13652; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12NC1A09946; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from wm11.jersey.juno.com (wm11.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.231]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12NBDA09788 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:11:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCk8WKdiullWnlA8Ol+fM91L8FMZmzuHE9g=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by wm11.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GSN8WMPY; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:11:16 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Gown? X-Mailer: Juno Webmail Version 1.0 From: seamstrix@juno.com Message-Id: <20020202.181116.556.114309@wm11.jersey.juno.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:11:06 GMT Status: RO Victoria Wickens wrote: > Hi! > > A friend of mine is planning on doing a hand->sewn reproduction of Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix >Gown, and we have some questions: > > 1: Does anyone have any ideas for the pattern >on the partlet? I took a trip over to the Tate Gallery today and looked at the painting up close and personal. By pattern do you mean the shape of the piece of clothing, or the pattern of blackwork on the partlet? The partlet shape has been nicely explored by Jean Hunisett in her books on costume. The pattern on the partlet is a free-form design of spiraling leaves. I don't think that anyone has tried to exactly duplicate it. Something I noticed in the original is that there is fine white netting placed over the blackwork embroidery as enhancement and a degree of protection. > 2: What sort of stitches should she use for the >leaves on the skirt? The design looked like counched gold boullion to me. On the side leaves the goldwork runs across the pattern of the leaves, making the threads run vertically/up and down. On the center leaves the goldwork runs horizontally/across. There is a noticable sense of raised threads in the portrait which seems to indicate to me a design lying on the surface rather that woven in or snuggly embroidered. > 3: The bottom part of the dress. Does anyone >know what the bottom of the dress looks like? >Any ideas? The portrait is only hip length, no living person knows exactly what the hem of this dress looked like. One could assume that since there isn't any guarding around any of the rest of the gown, that there wouldn't be guarding at the hem either. > 4: was there a decorative banding around the >hem? We don't know. > 5: What about the forepart? Is that just a >medallion pattern in silk, or were there >different designs? Only the very top of the forepart is shown, what happens in the rest of the piece is open to guess work.....hopefully based on and with a good understanding of period aesthetics. > 6: and did the forepart have a banding or some >other design? We don't know. The parts of the gown that aren't shown must be constructed using one's best guess. I have two more days in London, if you want any further information, ask soon! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 18:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16227 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g12NmDF15008; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:48:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12Nm1A18232; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g12NlkA18176 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:47:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g12Nh3N18761 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:43:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004b01c1ac44$cbd25f80$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <3C5C40AD.DCC7776B@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about fabric identification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:53:16 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- >Do you-all think it's probably > the 100% wool the bolt-end said it was? or am I better off treating it > *as if* it were a blend? I had some 100% wool twill that sounds more or less identical to what you have. I made hosen from it (the up-to-the-knee type worn by 13th century women) and have had a number of people ask what the fabric was. It had a good amount of stretch to it (a lot of woolens actually do) and was basically shirt-weight, so it was perfect for hosen. And it isn't particularly "itchy." I'm guessing your stuff is probably 100% like mine was. I've been looking for more ever since. Would love to make an undertunic from it. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 20:20:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16797 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g131uEF19615; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:56:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g131u1A15571; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g131shA15306 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08938 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:11:09 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie In-Reply-To: <200202022141.g12LfQX51360@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:11:09 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > does robin have a site, or is there a site out there where someone's > using her techniques? I didn't read these threads earlier because > it's not my period, but I'm really intrigued now! I have some documents available on my not-quite-a-webpage at . You can read a collection of past threads from h-cost in which I discuss some fitting tips, and you can download a copy of my workshop handout, which will give you some background, but not the instruction itself. I'm afraid I haven't found a good way to teach this other than in person; I have never been able to put the method into article form because individual cases are so variable, and because I rely a lot on how the fabric *feels*. So I can't offer you Six Easy Steps To A Fitted Dress, or anything on that line. But if you have some experience and a good sense of what you're trying to accomplish, you may find that the materials I've provided will fill in the gaps. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 20:23:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16803 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:23:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1320EF19760; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:00:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13202A16534; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hookworm.frognet.net (hookworm.frognet.net [204.192.96.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g131viA15934 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:57:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16267 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 01:57:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO q4u6t2) (216.3.4.94) by mail.frognet.net with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 01:57:48 -0000 Message-ID: <00e501c1ac55$a36fdf20$5e0403d8@q4u6t2> From: "M Freed" To: References: <200202012029.g11KT8A11133@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] english netting Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "M Freed" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:36:20 -0500 Status: RO Does anyone have a source for English netting? I think it's also referred to cotton netting... rayon would even be ok. I found it on MarthaPullen.com but was hoping for something a little less than $26 per yard. Thanks, Maria ...the bride-to-be....... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 20:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16823 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:29:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1326EF19951; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13261A17804; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1324VA17476 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:04:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08993 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:20:52 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edge finishing, 11th-12th c.? In-Reply-To: <3C5C1A6D.A01E55D2@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:20:52 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Hmmm, I missed the beginning question here (been focusing to > much on LotR costuming! we have a yahoo list now). Penelope Walton's > book on the Small Finds of York* has some sewing charts on pages > 405-407. Let's see, ways of finishing off seams - depends soemwhat on > the fabric. ... Judy, many thanks for the summary. My original question was rather specific: whether there is any solid evidence for techniques used to finish edges (not seams, but things like collars and cuff edges) on wool garments of the 11th or 12th centuries. France/England would be ideal, but of course I'd be happy for data from anywhere in Europe from this time. I've seen plenty of information on later periods, but not this early, and there were significant changes in sewing methods from 11th century to 14th, so I don't feel comfortable extrapolating backward without clues. How far back do the York finds go, and do any of the finds show edge finishes? (In any case, that sounds like a book I need.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 20:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16842 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1329DF20074; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:09:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13291A18404; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1327uA18212 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:07:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09014 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:24:22 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie In-Reply-To: <3C5C0F2F.20607@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:24:22 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, A F Murphy wrote: > You want to fly out of Kennedy? I mean, as long as you are passing... > that's a nice big international airport with lots of costume people near > it! *G* The hitch here is that I don't want to get into the business of planning my own appearances. I have too crammed a schedule as it is, and a day job and two kids! I'm happy to respond to people who are willing to make all the arrangements on their end, so that all I have to do is show up and talk. I have recently received an inquiry from someone in your general area, though, so I'll let the list know if anything solidifies. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 20:35:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16853 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:35:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g132CDF20324; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:12:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g132C1A19181; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from blondie.gower.net (blondie.gower.net [205.230.30.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g132BuA19154 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from gower.net (usr-195.gower.net [207.78.72.195]) by blondie.gower.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g132C3G98128 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:12:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Message-ID: <3C5C9C49.32A55329@gower.net> From: Vicki Betts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] ACW homespun shirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: vbetts@gower.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:11:22 -0600 Status: RO I am looking for anyone who has made a study of Southern homespun shirts used by civilians or soldiers during the American Civil War. I have been examining homespun dresses and homespun swatches from various museums, and I would like to compare notes on weaves, colors, plaid and stripe designs, scale of design, fiber content, weight of cloth, etc. I'm trying various venues to locate fellow researchers, so you may be seeing this on various lists and forums. Thanks! Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 22:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17522 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:18:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g133tKF24084; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:55:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g133t1A09417; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g133r4A09067 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p52.directcon.net [209.79.209.101]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04358 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:51:30 -0800 Message-Id: <200202030351.TAA04358@artemis.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo@Margospatterns.com Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Gown? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:51:30 -0800 Status: RO >> 3: The bottom part of the dress. Does anyone >know what the bottom of the dress looks like? >Any ideas? > Just a warning here: If you decide to check out the repro of this gown in Elizabeth R, you'll see that the lower edge of the gown is decorated with multiple rows of gold braid. Jean Hunnisett says that this was not the designer's original intent: when the embroidery was done, they forgot to account for the fact that the ground fabric would pull up a bit, and the skirt ended up too short. They asked the lady who embroidered the nine gazillion motifs to do enough to add a row, and she flat out refused, so they did what they could. Margo Margo Anderson's Historic Costume Patterns margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 2 22:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17779 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:50:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g134REF24899; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:27:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g134R0A15644; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g134P9A15279 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:25:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA14030 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202030442.UAA14030@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:42:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm afraid I haven't found a > good way to teach this other than in person; I have never been able to put > the method into article form because individual cases are so variable, and > because I rely a lot on how the fabric *feels*. So I can't offer you Six > Easy Steps To A Fitted Dress, or anything on that line. Nope, but you have made it clear that this isn't just draping, it's stretching and molding. It also sounds like it'll need to wait until my shoulder heals up, so I don't have to worry about popping it out of joint again. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 08:40:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23323 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 08:40:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13EHeF08886; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13EHMA06875; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13EG6A06682 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.11]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020203130234.SFBI27566.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: <3C5D34D1.30104@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Phoenix Gown? References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020201221721.009fb460@mail.broadviewnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:02:09 +0100 Status: RO Hi again. The leaves is made with bouillion thread. I dont know if you know what that is. It is a coiled thred wrapped arround something wich is removed again. So it is hollow inside. Then you can cut it in required lengths. Then it is sewed to the fabric like a pearl. You take the needle trough it. I am using this for embroidery. My bullion thread is gilted with real gold. But i would suggest that you used something less expensive because you are going to use a lot of this thread for all those leaves. Many garments was burned to recykle all that gold and silver used in the renaissance. Bjarne Victoria Wickens wrote: > Hi! > > A friend of mine is planning on doing a hand-sewn reproduction of > Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix Gown, and we have some questions: > > 1: Does anyone have any ideas for the pattern on the partlet? > 2: What sort of stitches should she use for the leaves on the skirt? > 3: The bottom part of the dress. Does anyone know what the bottom of > the dress looks like? Any ideas? > 4: was there a decorative banding around the hem? > 5: What about the forepart? Is that just a medallion pattern in > silk, or were there different designs? > 6: and did the forepart have a banding or some other design? > > TIA for any help, ideas, etc!! > > Victoria Wickens > Lady Victoria's Castle Closet > http://www.castlecloset.net > Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 12:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28961 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13I9PF16288; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13I30A26697; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13I1YA26153 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:01:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m85.in-tch.com [216.166.191.85]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g13HoFT15031 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:50:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5D7C11.CF4E360@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] question re: fabric conflict References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 11:06:09 -0700 Status: RO No, I sure haven't, but then I don't normally mix those two fibers. The only thing even remotely similar to this I've heard of, is advice to *not* use silk thread on woolens, because the silk is stronger? than the wool, and will actually, over time, *cut* the threads in the fabric near it. And there are some wool bed quilts, and some clothing, I'm sure, that use cotton fibers as batting and padding. --Sue Mary Temple wrote: > > A friend was telling me that something about wool damages cotton? She was > saying that she has a wool garment where certain sections of the lining are > linen, and others are cotton. The linen looks brand new, while the cotton is > almost completely destroyed. While asking some "local experts", she was told > that something in the wool damages the cotton fibers. > > Has anyone else had experience with this? > > Thanks in advance, > > Mary/Katerine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 13:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29101 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 13:17:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13IsHF18066; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:54:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Is0A11527; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20105.mail.yahoo.com (web20105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g13IqEA11125 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:52:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020203185228.77155.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.33.5.149] by web20105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:52:28 PST From: Sidonia Ros To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <015201c1a829$67f94740$32eaf1c3@henk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Sprang and it's uses..... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Recently, I was made familiar with a form of weaving called "sprang". It is a type of netting that can be documented as far back as the Post Christian Norse. I have read somewhere that sprang was also used during the reign of Elizabeth for various items including decorative hair nets and stockings. I have not been able to corroborate this with any other books and was wondering if anyone on the list as any information regarding the use of sprang in the Renaissance. Ghislaine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 14:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29310 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:19:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13JuHF20175; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:56:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Ju1A26531; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13JrNA26081 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-85.gti.net [208.216.115.85]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 41085145ABD for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:53:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C5D955A.7735C1BB@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] english netting References: <200202012029.g11KT8A11133@net.indra.com> <00e501c1ac55$a36fdf20$5e0403d8@q4u6t2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:54:03 -0500 Status: RO Maria, Try these places for English netting. Ciao, Deb R. Baltazor's http://www.baltazor.com/ Victoria Louise Mercers http://www.fred.net/stull/victoria.html Mini-Magic http://www.mini-magic.com/ > Does anyone have a source for English netting? I think it's also referred > to cotton netting... rayon would even be ok. > I found it on MarthaPullen.com but was hoping for something a little less > than $26 per yard. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 16:52:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30108 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:52:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13MTJF26851; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:29:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MT1A04694; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MSOA04556 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:28:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05996 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19219 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:28:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032228.RAA19219@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair In-Reply-To: <200202012045.MAA02066@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:29:18 -0500 Status: RO At 12:45 PM 02/01/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Actually, the follicles can be shocked into dormant mode. When that happens, >the hair stops growing and eventually falls out. When the shock from >surgery or illness is severe, you can get handfuls falling out all at once. >The good news is that the follicles usually wake up again. But it's not >normally breakage that causes the hair loss. B vitamins and biotin >especially help convince the hair to start growing again. I know people >who megadose on biotin, but ask your doctor first (I did). Ah... I've been taking a multivitamin with B vitamins in it, so hopefully that will help. But it presumably won't help with the hair that's already been shocked and is in dormant/falling out mode. >You can have your ends trimmed into a blunt cut, which helps hide the >fact that the hair is thinning. A shallow U curve or a straight line >work the best for disguising hair fallout. You don't have to cut very >much (no more than is needed to even the ends out) to see good results. >The evil part comes when the hair starts growing back in and you have >a "halo" of short, unruly hairs around your face. I'm busy growing out >a blunt bob these days and the little halo hairs have mostly grown to >reasonable lengths now. > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 I think I'll have my hubby trim about 6 inches (maybe more) off the bottom, and then take it from there. That'll leave me more than enough to put up, so I have something left to pin my cap to :) Just not enough for the braid to go around my head, anymore... Ah, well! I used to have a blunt bob, and it's a good style on me, so that's something I was considering... But it does take forever to grow out! Thanks, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 16:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30112 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:52:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13MTjF26877; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:29:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MTSA04798; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:29:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MSVA04580 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:28:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.39.21f5c130 (16785) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <39.21f5c130.298f1395@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Subject: [h-cost] Stupid question - swatch ordering (was WOW! Big Fabric Sale) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:28:37 EST Status: RO I had an idea for a convention hall costume pop into my head right around the same time as my federal tax refund arrived. (It wasn't inspired by seeing the check, I chose direct deposit. I have no idea how the timing worked out so nicely. :) ) I saw some possibilities over at the Felsen Fabrics sale, and wanted to get some samples so I could decide. I've never ordered swatches/samples before, so I wasn't sure what they were asking for where the form asks how much fabric you want. Is that how big a sample piece, or how much you'll be ordering if you like the sample? I would think sample pieces would be a standard size, so you don't get someone ordering a 1 yard free sample that just happens to be the exact amount needed for the project -- but what do I know? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 17:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30167 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:05:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13MgHF27354; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Mg0A07466; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Me4A07043 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07282 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19985 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:40:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032240.RAA19985@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley In-Reply-To: References: <3C5AF7A3.2070209@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Quilted petticoats, and glazed wool (was Re: Weekend projects) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:40:57 -0500 Status: RO Now that the weekend is nearly over... I went antiquing on Saturday, and shopping today (for flooring; we're going to rip out the carpet and put down wood, for my allergies), and didn't get much sewing done, aside from what I managed to do in the car. But... My current "now and then" project a quilted petticoat. Decided I'd rather save the money and do it myself, even if it does take five years. So I bought a couple of yards of the rose wool from fabrics-store.com, overdyed it with scarlet RIT dye, and got a bright red. I've got cotton batting and a linen backing, and pencilled in five rows of stitching parallel to the hem, then diamonds (squares on edge) from that point on up. There are two panels, one for the front of the petticoat and one for the back, and I'm doing one panel at a time -- I wondered if you join them then quilt them, but apparently not. Which makes sense; they're more manageable this way. I've got a lap hoop, and am doing the quilting in the car and while watching TV, etc. I've got the center of one panel completely quilted, and am working my way up and down the sides now. It's taking me a lot less time than I figured, which is good, because I have a short attention span. The downside is that I'm only getting 5 to 6 stitches per inch. This isn't great, compared to regular (cotton) quilts, but I saw an 18th c. wool quilt backed with linsey-woolsey yesterday at an antique show, and it had a similarly low stitch count. I figure that maybe I can't seem to get my stitches smaller because the fabric is so thick, and if I were using thinner materials, the stitches would be smaller. Since I've never quilted anything before... (shrug) Another interesting thing about the quilt I saw yesterday is that the thread was a deep indigo blue, like the wool of the quilt itself. It obviously was dyed before the quilt was stitched, because the quilt's backing was a different color. I think that's unusual -- usually the thread on quilts is white. Any ideas on how one would go about glazing wool? The wool on the 18thc c. quilt was definitely glazed; they did this with heat and pressure, and I simply don't know of a way to get the same effect efficiently. It's probably too late to glaze the wool for my petticoat, but I'm curious, for future projects. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 17:05:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30171 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:05:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13MgPF27366; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:42:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Mg9A07521; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MexA07247 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07330 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA20012 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:41:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) In-Reply-To: References: <3C5AF7A3.2070209@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:41:29 -0500 Status: RO Cool, Drea! How are you doing the cap sleeves? I've been looking at that design and wondering how to drape/cut them. -- Mara At 03:29 PM 02/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm working on a new flemish gown, front-lacing with a solid front skirt & >cap sleeves. It's completely reversible--blue wool on one side, >rosy-russet on the other. :) 2 gowns for the price of one! I'm making >reversible green & red wool sleeves to go with it. > >The bodice is done...I just have to finish the skirt and sew the lacing >rings on. > >Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 17:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30188 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:08:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13MjHF27536; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:45:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Mj1A08324; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MgiA07650 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:42:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07594 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA20085 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:42:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] good buying experience In-Reply-To: <20020201133334.A25088@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:43:22 -0500 Status: RO At 01:33 PM 02/01/2002 -0700, you wrote: >On Saturday, I called Harper House (http://www.longago.com/) to order >the pattern for the Spanish Loose Gown. Unfortunately, they didn't >have the pattern in stock. They let me know this immediately, and >asked if I wanted to order the pattern for delivery in 2-3 weeks. >Since I need to make the gown for Feb 9th, that wasn't going to work >for me. (I'm actually making a Russian dress much like the Loose Gown >and decided to try to save myself some patterning effort by buying >this instead.) Great, Elizabeth -- nice to hear. Speaking of good service, I've got consistently good service from the folks at Wooded Hamlet. Could you let us know what you think of the loose gown pattern, when you're done? I might consider ordering a copy, for the same reason -- I've been wanting to make one (just to wear around the house) and it would save me the trouble of draping it. Thanks, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 17:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30218 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:15:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13MqHF27859; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:52:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Mq0A09904; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13MpMA09770 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:51:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08489 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA20786 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:51:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032251.RAA20786@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 14th century Cote and Gown In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:52:16 -0500 Status: RO At the lecture I attended on Wednesday, the lecturer (who does textile conservation, including lots of bridal gowns, apparently) said that she's seen the average rib cage size on American women grow by 3-4 inches over the past twenty years. She attributes it to women exercizing more, among other things... working out, gym classes in school, etc. (Aside, of course, from the general problem that we have with weight...) -- Mara At 11:25 PM 02/01/2002 +0000, you wrote: >>I've had to take this into account as I teach costuming, since most >>medieval constructions were designed around the assumption of a generally >>slimmer body size and smaller bone structure. (snip) >> >>--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 17:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30278 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13N3HF28160; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13N30A12116; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13N2gA12045 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:02:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10101 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA21894 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:02:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032302.SAA21894@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) In-Reply-To: References: <3C5B5434.6EB62F8F@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:03:37 -0500 Status: RO At 07:56 PM 02/01/2002 -0800, you wrote: > At any rate, the shape that corded stays give the body is the closest I've >seen yet to the rounded bosom look of the early 16th century Italy and >Germany. Jen's got pictures of her stays up on her site already and she >goes into some more detail on the process that she went through to arive at >that point. Check out her site: >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/diary2.html > >It's good stuff. :) > >Sarah Wow, I'm impressed! The corded bodice looks just like some of the ones in the Italian Renn. paintings I was looking at about a month ago... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 18:18:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30567 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:18:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13NtKF29825; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:55:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13Nt0A22176; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13NqeA21753 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:52:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15156 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25584 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:52:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032352.SAA25584@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket In-Reply-To: <3C5C1E66.204BE45@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:53:35 -0500 Status: RO At 10:14 AM 02/02/2002 -0700, you wrote: >what kind of wool works best for this sort of jacket, and how much does >one of them use? i've bought loads of yummy wool (last summer, before >gstreet went off line) for some gothic fitted gowns, and will most >likely have leftovers. since i don't live in an area that has any 18th >century reenactment, wearing them mundanely would be a great way to get >me into something besides jeans and tee shirts.....[way casual office >where i work ;-)] >--sue, figuring she's gonna have to give in and get the pattern Hi, Sue, The wool I used was a lightweight coat-weight wool-cashmere blend, but I think anything from wool to a good linen could work. I'm going to be making it up in linen for summer wear. One of my coworkers told me I ought to make this jacket up with a modern skirt, to wear as a suit! I think I just might :) Went by G Street today but desperately tried NOT to buy more than just the pattern I needed! :D I envy your yummy wools... I saw a bunch there today and can't quite afford to buy them right now, as we're saving up to put wooden flooring in... Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 18:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30571 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:18:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g13NtjF29945; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:55:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13NtSA22401; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:55:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g13NrGA21876 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15210 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:53:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p2.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.130]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25646 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:53:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032353.SAA25646@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket In-Reply-To: <3C5C1E66.204BE45@in-tch.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:54:11 -0500 Status: RO Forgot - the pattern uses 2 yds. of 60" wide fabric; I think it uses 2-1/2 of 45". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 18:49:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30781 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:49:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g140QIF01372; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:26:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g140Q1A29058; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g140N2A28490 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m107.in-tch.com [216.166.191.107]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g140BST07635 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:11:29 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C5DD4DF.FD0195B9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) References: <3C5B5434.6EB62F8F@in-tch.com> <200202032302.SAA21894@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:25:03 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, isn't it amazing? My only question would be, How would you finish the edges of the bodice, so that the rope didn't poke out?....and where can I find hemp rope and try it myself? (okay, that's two questions, but who counts on weekends? ) --Sue Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > > At 07:56 PM 02/01/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > At any rate, the shape that corded stays give the body is the closest I've > >seen yet to the rounded bosom look of the early 16th century Italy and > >Germany. Jen's got pictures of her stays up on her site already and she > >goes into some more detail on the process that she went through to arive at > >that point. Check out her site: > >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/diary2.html > > > >It's good stuff. :) > > > >Sarah > > Wow, I'm impressed! The corded bodice looks just like some of the ones in > the Italian Renn. paintings I was looking at about a month ago... > > -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 20:09:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31529 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g141kLF03839; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:46:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g141k1A16396; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13609.mail.yahoo.com (web13609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g141jIA16278 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:45:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020204014533.38606.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.126.129.182] by web13609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 17:45:33 PST From: Michelle Hain Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stupid question - swatch ordering (was WOW! Big Fabric Sale) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <39.21f5c130.298f1395@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:45:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- LLWatts@aol.com wrote: > I've never ordered > swatches/samples before, so I wasn't sure what they > were asking for where the > form asks how much fabric you want. Is that how big > a sample piece, or how > much you'll be ordering if you like the sample? I > would think sample pieces > would be a standard size, so you don't get someone > ordering a 1 yard free > sample that just happens to be the exact amount > needed for the project -- but > what do I know? > Don't worry, I wondered the same thing when I ordered swatches from them. I interpreted it that they were asking how much fabric you would be ordering if you liked the swatch. I typed in 10 yards, figuring if I had misinterpreted what they meant, and they wanted to send me a 10 yard sample, well, I certainly wasn't going to stop them! =) Anyway, the samples they sent me actually are a fairly good sized 3 by 6 inch strip, all nicely labeled so you know exactly what each one is. -Michelle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 20:09:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31533 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g141kfF03865; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:46:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g141kNA16474; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:46:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g141jbA16327 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:45:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.3b.2198ff20 (4405) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:45:31 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.2198ff20.298f41c6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: Green 18th c. jacket To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.2198ff20.298f41c6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:45:42 EST Status: RO --part1_3b.2198ff20.298f41c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 10:17:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: > Hey, Mara... lets start a new fashion craze with the justaucorp coat! > New? --part1_3b.2198ff20.298f41c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/31/02 10:17:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes:


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New? --part1_3b.2198ff20.298f41c6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 21:32:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32109 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1439JF06413; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14390A03511; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1436dA03066 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:06:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g14382d03398 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13660 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:10:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:10:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm just using the cap sleeve pattern off of my 15th c. kirtle gown. I drafted that pattern from my measurements and it's been through considerable tweaking since then. I added a bit more in the crown of the sleeve and eased it in for more mobility. (the bodice armescye is bigger than the 15th c. kirtle armescye). Some pictures show the cap sleeves as quite close-fitting, while others show a few gathers. I haven't seen any pics revealing whether the seam is under the arm or at the back, but mine has the seam down the back of the sleeve, closer to the bottom than the top. On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > Cool, Drea! How are you doing the cap sleeves? I've been looking at that > design and wondering how to drape/cut them. > > -- Mara > > At 03:29 PM 02/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I'm working on a new flemish gown, front-lacing with a solid front skirt & > >cap sleeves. It's completely reversible--blue wool on one side, > >rosy-russet on the other. :) 2 gowns for the price of one! I'm making > >reversible green & red wool sleeves to go with it. > > > >The bodice is done...I just have to finish the skirt and sew the lacing > >rings on. > > > >Drea > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 3 21:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32113 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:32:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1439qF06458; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1439YA03619; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1438HA03360 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1439ed03514 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13671 for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:12:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded Stays (was Re: Weekend projects) In-Reply-To: <200202032302.SAA21894@saltmine.radix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:12:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What a cool site! I love the comparison of how quilted batting, cording and layers of fabric look in the same bodice. I think I'll try making an undergown with cording, to see how it feels. Drea On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > At 07:56 PM 02/01/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > At any rate, the shape that corded stays give the body is the closest I've > >seen yet to the rounded bosom look of the early 16th century Italy and > >Germany. Jen's got pictures of her stays up on her site already and she > >goes into some more detail on the process that she went through to arive at > >that point. Check out her site: > >http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/diary/diary2.html > > > >It's good stuff. :) > > > >Sarah > > Wow, I'm impressed! The corded bodice looks just like some of the ones in > the Italian Renn. paintings I was looking at about a month ago... > > -- Mara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 05:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29545 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14AwTF19496; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Aw1A17365; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14AvtA17338 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:57:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-205-57.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.205.57]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 71BDA37937 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:58:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00a901c1ad6a$f290d080$39cdf1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net><3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost><4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0083_01C1AD70.76797BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:38:27 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C1AD70.76797BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Jean, You wrote: Last week on Time Team... they were investigating a monastic site, = and=20 one of the archaeologists volunteered to spend 24 hours as a = Gilbertine=20 nun. The re-enactors who were showing her what to do said it would = have=20 been shaved. But she said her hair (shoulder-length bob) was really=20 difficult and uncomfortable under the wimple, and she felt it would = have=20 been easier if it was cut very short. Certainly you wouldn't want = your=20 nuns distracted by needing to fiddle to keep their hair tucked in. I can imagine shortish hair being more difficult to fit under a wimple = and veil, but almost all medieval women had long hair, in braids, which = were partly used to pin the upper veil to. I know nuns had very short = hair and, in consequence, no way of pinning the veil to the braids. I = wonder how they did it. Was it that they had a sewn and fitted wimple, = like a hood without a liripipe and fastenings at the back like they used = to have in the 19th c, or was there another solution they used. I know many modern women with all kinds of hairstyles and lengths who = wear all types of medieval veil combinations, and while it takes some = time getting used to it, they do not complain about having to fiddle = their headcloths in order to keep them in their place. While doing work = you move your head a loth with asks for more 'knotted' solutions, women = who do not do such work are perfectly able to keep their headgear fixed = with pinning, even without having braids. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C1AD70.76797BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Jean,
 
You wrote:
    Last week on Time Team... they were = investigating a=20 monastic site, and
one of the archaeologists volunteered to spend = 24 hours=20 as a Gilbertine
nun.  The re-enactors who were showing her = what to do=20 said it would have
been shaved.  But she said her hair=20 (shoulder-length bob) was really
difficult and uncomfortable under = the=20 wimple, and she felt it would have
been easier if it was cut very=20 short.  Certainly you wouldn't want your
nuns distracted by = needing=20 to fiddle to keep their hair tucked in.

I can imagine shortish = hair=20 being more difficult to fit under a wimple and veil, but almost all = medieval=20 women had long hair, in braids, which were partly used to pin the = upper=20 veil to. I know nuns had very short hair and, in consequence, no way = of=20 pinning the veil to the braids. I wonder how they did it. Was it that = they had=20 a sewn and fitted wimple, like a hood without a liripipe and = fastenings=20 at the back like they used to have in the 19th c, or was there another = solution they used.
 
I know many modern women with all kinds of hairstyles and lengths = who=20 wear all types of medieval veil combinations, and while it takes some = time=20 getting used to it, they do not complain about having to fiddle their=20 headcloths in order to keep them in their place. While doing work you = move=20 your head a loth with asks for more 'knotted' solutions, women who = do not=20 do such work are perfectly able to keep their headgear fixed with = pinning,=20 even without having braids.
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate=20 English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own=20 domain: www.scapreel.nl
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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:08:45 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > I have 4 toes all the same length, then this poor little smidge of > > > a little toe. Buying shoes is fun... > > > > > Buying shoes is the bane of my existence! Have you found any types > > that actually fit feet like ours? > > Tudor era shoes? > > Every once in a while I come across a pair of shoes (in the stores, > not hand made) which are square and wide across the front. They look > for all the world like early Tudor shoes. That seems to be "in" at the moment - Danielle, Karen and i were trying on some lovely Tudoresque shoues that were on the Sale stand of a local shoeshop here in London just last week. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 07:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30539 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:00:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14CbRF21920; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Cb2A06210; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Ca0A06001 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDVKBIUCN400JD0Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:38:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDVKBIF97800LQOR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:38:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:32:51 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:32:20 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.92) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:32:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] period coffee? In-reply-to: <200201300011.g0U0BYT09775@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2F78D7A48EA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:32:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >Iohanna the Harper > >(who is much kind after her decidedly non-period > >coffee) > > At Ren. Faire here in N. California, any dark-coloured soft drink, in > an opaque mug, is referred to as "dark ale" and any light-coloured one > is referred to as "light ale" (even if it's orange). Coffee and tea > are similarly re-named. (I'm glad I have a tankard with a lid, which > hides the ice cubes.) We refer to coffee as "brown-bean soup" and tea as "herbal infusion" for want of anything better to call them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 07:10:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30568 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:10:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14CmLF22169; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Cm1A08544; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20309.mail.yahoo.com (web20309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g14CkPA08233 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 05:46:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020204124643.36367.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.175.87.104] by web20309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 04:46:43 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] 12th century lining techniques Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 04:46:43 -0800 (PST) Status: RO First, let me whine just a bit -- I'm finding that there is tons more info on 13th century than 12th! OK - I'm done now. I have achieved pretty, fancy and reasonably period garb which fits nicely -- garb I can wear to festive occasions without being openly sneered at! I want to make a second and less "dressy" set of 12th c. English garb, but I want the new chemise/smock, undergown & overtunic to be so breath-takingly authentic as to make the garb angels weep. My question is about lining the overtunic. Does anyone know -- for the 12th c. -- if the lining would be constructed separately and sewn in place, or would it be flatlined? Or would it be lined at all? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. But if this is tea, why then please bring me some coffee." --Abraham Lincoln, to a waitress __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 07:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30728 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:46:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14DNMF23151; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14DN1A15932; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:WlXKJQ84S0Y1d7mjkvPqfM48qYPKTD+z@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14DKSA15417 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g14DKiK16947 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:20:44 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] red, balck and prostitutes? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:20:44 +0100 (CET) Status: RO I know we had the whole "wearing red does not mean you're a prostitute" discussion last year, but I couldn't find any reference to my particular question in the archives. According to a guy I know who's a member of a medieval reenactment group in Norway, their group had been discouraged from choosing red and black as their heraldic colours, on the grounds that those were colours associated with prostitutes in medieval Scandinavia. (I'm afraid I can't narrow down "medieval" any more based on what he said.) My first thought was, what would heraldry have to do with prostitutes? Although I don't know anything much about heraldry, I'm thinking that prostitutes wouldn't exactly have their own heraldic devices, would they? So my questions are: does anyone who does heraldry know anything about this? Even assuming that prostitutes wore red and black as a rule, why would that affect the heraldry? (I don't even know if there are major differences in Nordic heraldry and other, but if there is that might narrow it down a bit as well.) And the other question is, does anyone know anything at all about this color combination in relation to prostitutes? Someone on another forum said he seemed to remember some papal decree that would support it, but he was so vague I'm inclined to dismiss that completely. My own thoughts are that I don't think it likely at all that this color combination should mark a woman as a prostitute. Sumptuary laws that restrict prostitutes' clothing do just that - restrict it. And while red is a common, inexpensive colour, I'd think that black wouldn't be because of the more complicated dyeing process - so why "allocate" such finery to lowly prostitutes? If anyone has any knowledge about or sources on the subject, I'd be a happy bunny indeed. :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 08:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31119 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:32:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14E9MF24797; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:09:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14E92A27920; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14E5uA27068 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:05:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14935 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:22:36 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th century lining techniques In-Reply-To: <20020204124643.36367.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:22:36 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Joan Garner wrote: > First, let me whine just a bit -- I'm finding that there is tons more > info on 13th century than 12th! May I share your whine? I have been frustrated by this too. > I want to make a second and less "dressy" set of 12th c. English garb, > but I want the new chemise/smock, undergown & overtunic to be so > breath-takingly authentic as to make the garb angels weep. My > question is about lining the overtunic. Does anyone know -- for the > 12th c. -- if the lining would be constructed separately and sewn in > place, or would it be flatlined? Or would it be lined at all? After long pondering, I decided not to line mine. I have seen good documentary sources that indicate lining was common in England by mid-14th century, even for the lower-class, with the implication that this was a relatively new thing. (One useful source is Christopher Dyer's "Standards of Living in the Later Middle Ages," in which he notes references to purchase of clothing described with lining, and muses a little on the appearance at this time of the word "doublet" as an indication of a lined garment.) That suggested to me that lining was not the default in earlier periods. Though I did line my hanging sleeves, primarily for aesthetics, and to match the color change in visual images (which may or may not have suggested lining). What little wisdom I have to share on 12th century is in the article I wrote for Costume Research Journal last spring, which is now in the current issue of the SCA's Tournaments Illuminated. (Non-SCA members can order this through the SCA publications office -- follow the links at .) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 08:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31280 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:52:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14ETMF25637; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:29:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14ET1A04051; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14ER5A03466 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA22320370; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:26:42 -0600 Message-ID: <00e201c1ad87$e3c34520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] red, balck and prostitutes? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:26:05 -0500 Status: RO Ingrid, I am going on NO sleep again... but there is someone on the list that can help. Mary Jany sent me a whole bunch of color information a long time ago about prostitutes who wore white. She pulled a lot of literature on it. I can't recall the time frame but I think it is medieval. I just checked my color email box and it is not in there. So it was prior to my computer crash in '99. I know I printed it out... but lord only know where it is right now. I've been doing taxes, so everything is scattered. I know Mary Jany goes by another name... well I know she is an English professor. Darn, I know its not in the archives because it was a private email. I am just too tired to remember it all... so sorry... maybe I will remember when I wake up tonight. Heading to bed... Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 09:04:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31334 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:04:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14EfOF26248; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Ef1A07627; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14EeHA07389 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:40:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-73-185.dial.btopenworld.com ([213.122.73.185] helo=dan) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16XkIM-0003R5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:40:35 +0000 Message-ID: <006701c1abf7$a28ce8e0$b9497ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] 16th century embroidered lace/trim? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:27:51 -0000 Status: RO Hi everyone May I ask for suggestions? I am supposed to be going into hospital tomorrow for what may be a lengthy stay, and I wanted to do some sewing. This depends, of course, on whether I have an arm free, but I had thought that if I sewed pearls and bullion on the edging of lace or on woven trim it could go into the Great Court Gown Hamper along with a lot of other things. My questions are: what sort of embroidery is appropriate for 1580-1600 say, and for which garments? I'm assuming that panels attached to chemises are different to those to be attached to outer garments, but I may be completely at sea here... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 09:10:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02946 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:10:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14ElLF26623; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:47:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14El1A09539; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14EjeA09167 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:45:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDVOSKO56O00LXVI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:47:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDVOSECWPI00KFQN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:41:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:40:25 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.92) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:40:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: "Goth" jewelry In-reply-to: <200202011635.g11GZCA22045@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <2F9B0111BB1@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy! You've not been watching Blue's Clues, "You can do > any-thing (da da da dada) that you wanna do" Since I've never even heard of it, that's true enough.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 13:11:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05262 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:11:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14ImOO22523; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:48:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Im1A18987; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com (web20408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.127]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g14Il3A18452 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:47:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020204184721.85854.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:47:21 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020202044736.77007.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] inkle-woven trim? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:47:21 -0800 (PST) Status: RO So, I was at an SCA event this weekend with some marvelous shopping (and some, well, let's just say I was surprised to see someone wearing and selling horns. What period is that again? ;) ), and one of my specific objectives was a piece of ribbon for my head, to wear with my soon-to-be-finished Shinrone gown. After looking over racks and racks of trim, wondering what would be a good, period (16th c.) design, I settled on a beautiful inkle-woven silk ribbon. (What a hobby, that causes me to spend that much on a hair ribbon!) Anyway, I started having crazy thoughts about how I could weave my own trim to adorn future outfits. (With all my extra spare time.) So I was wondering: when and where would people have sewn inkle-woven (or similar weaving style, please specify) bands onto garments as decoration? If I asked for an inkle loom for my birthday, how much use would it be to me? (My current nebulous plans include 12th-16th century.) Thanks! -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 13:44:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05467 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:44:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14JIPO25844; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14JI1A06824; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14JFIA05348 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16XoaX-0000Px-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:15:37 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net> <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> <00a901c1ad6a$f290d080$39cdf1c3@henk> In-Reply-To: <00a901c1ad6a$f290d080$39cdf1c3@henk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:14:07 +0000 Status: RO Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote >  >Henk & Pauline 't Jong >tScapreel >Medieval Consultants >Dordrecht - Netherland >  > >Hi Jean, >  >You wrote: >     Last week on Time Team... they were investigating a monastic site, > and > one of the archaeologists volunteered to spend 24 hours as a Gilbertine > nun.  The re-enactors who were showing her what to do said it would > have > been shaved.  But she said her hair (shoulder-length bob) was really > difficult and uncomfortable under the wimple, and she felt it would have > been easier if it was cut very short.  Certainly you wouldn't want your > nuns distracted by needing to fiddle to keep their hair tucked in. > > I can imagine shortish hair being more difficult to fit under a wimple and > veil, but almost all medieval women had long hair, in braids, which were > partly used to pin the upper veil to. I know nuns had very short hair and, > in consequence, no way of pinning the veil to the braids. I wonder how > they did it. Was it that they had a sewn and fitted wimple, like a hood > without a liripipe and fastenings at the back like they used to have in > the 19th c, or was there another solution they used. >   Hmm, I hadn't thought about that bit. They started her off with a band, like a very wide alice band around the brow to the back of the neck - you can pin that together and then pin all your further layers to that. > I know many modern women with all kinds of hairstyles and lengths > who wear all types of medieval veil combinations, and while it takes > some time getting used to it, they do not complain about having to > fiddle their headcloths in order to keep them in their place. While doing > work you move your head a loth with asks for more 'knotted' solutions, > women who do not do such work are perfectly able to keep their > headgear fixed with pinning, even without having braids. > > Henk >  It's not the veil you have to fiddle with, it's the hair. I braid mine as tight as I can when wearing veils, but I always find the movement of the cloth against my head brushes the short wispy bits of hair around my face out of the braid, and it itches! It's not so bad with a loose wrapped headcloth, but if I wear the wimple style pinned tightly around the face, I find I want to take it off at least once during the day and brush my hair back again. Do you know anyone who has achieved the style with the big knot at one side of the head? Everyone I know is puzzled by that one. Jean >   >   > Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; > Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage > Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 15:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29851 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:04:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14KePO05035; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:40:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Ke3A24316; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14KcEA23116 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:38:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:38:29 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.15 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:38:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.15] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2002 20:38:29.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[E789C560:01C1ADBB] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:38:29 -0500 Status: RO There's been a similar thread on the SCA-garb list recently. There's an article posted at http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/index.html (Mistress Cori on Kirtles) that seems to do a decent job of explaining this (or a very similar one, at least) method. It might also be worth-while to search the list's archives at http://list.uvm.edu/archives/sca-garb.html (January I think is when the bulk of the conversation took place...) Parsla >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:11:09 -0600 (CST) > > >On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > > does robin have a site, or is there a site out there where someone's > > using her techniques? I didn't read these threads earlier because > > it's not my period, but I'm really intrigued now! > >I have some documents available on my not-quite-a-webpage at >. You can read a collection of past >threads from h-cost in which I discuss some fitting tips, and you can >download a copy of my workshop handout, which will give you some >background, but not the instruction itself. I'm afraid I haven't found a >good way to teach this other than in person; I have never been able to put >the method into article form because individual cases are so variable, and >because I rely a lot on how the fabric *feels*. So I can't offer you Six >Easy Steps To A Fitted Dress, or anything on that line. But if you have >some experience and a good sense of what you're trying to accomplish, you >may find that the materials I've provided will fill in the gaps. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 15:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20268 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:15:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14KqMO06396; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Kq0A02623; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.21]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Ko4A01310 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020204205024.WREP11560.femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx181913a> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 12:50:24 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c1adbe$66b1bbc0$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] brotherhood of the wolf Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:56:21 -0500 Status: RO I just got home from seeing "The Brotherhood of the Wolf". Um, interesting storyline, pretty much a fantasy movie with an historic setting. The acting was good, the writing was good and the music was better than good. If you accept the fact that they took *great liberties* with reality, then some of you may enjoy it. Oh, and it's in French, with subtitles. Warning, it is quite violent. Do not take children to this movie. If you love wolves, hide your eyes for the hunt scene. It bothered me. Now, 1764 is definitely not my area, so I was wondering if anyone has seen this movie, and what are the general opinions on the clothing. I saw some things that were to die for, especially Jean-Francois' red velvet coat at the beginning of the movie. Marianne's riding habit was fabulous. Lots of other really great outfits. I just don't know if they were at all realistic, or just as fantastical as the storyline and the fight scenes. (Don't get me started on the fighting! Ugh! It's right in league with "the Beast". At least they sorta explained that at the end of the movie. There's no excuse for the collapsible sword!) So, thoughts and opinions, anyone? Was the clothing accurate? Linda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 18:09:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29739 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:09:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g14NkUO01098; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:46:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Nk1A22561; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14Nj0A21830 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020204234516.YTWU3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:45:16 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12th century lining techniques Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c641c1b.660330605@mail.attbi.com> References: <20020204124643.36367.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020204124643.36367.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g14Nj0A21830 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:43:15 GMT Status: RO On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 04:46:43 -0800 (PST), the following was written in this electric book by Joan Garner : >Does anyone know -- for the >12th c. -- if the lining would be constructed >separately and sewn in place, or would it be >flatlined? >Or would it be lined at all? Without a significant number of surviving archaeological examples, we can't say. I would guess that any linings would be constructed separately and sewn in place afterwards, especially if their purpose was to cover seams or provide a more durable lining. But it's only a guess. Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 21:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30784 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1536SO19312; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:06:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15361A10352; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1534MA09854 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:04:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18148 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:21:08 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: cotehardie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:21:08 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Parsla Liepa wrote: > There's been a similar thread on the SCA-garb list recently. There's > an article posted at > http://sca-garb.freeservers.com/articles/index.html (Mistress Cori on > Kirtles) that seems to do a decent job of explaining this (or a very > similar one, at least) method. It might also be worth-while to search > the list's archives at http://list.uvm.edu/archives/sca-garb.html > (January I think is when the bulk of the conversation took place...) Thanks for the pointer; it was an interesting conversation. I should note (as Cori did in one of her messages) that Cori is an old, old friend, and she originally learned the fitted dress method from me, many years ago (early 1980s or so). I have refined my approach quite a bit since then: I use measurements less, I insist on lining, I don't use cotton, and I have added a few more tweaks and tricks to the fitting process. Cori has also made her own changes to bring the method (in the early version she learned from me) more in line with an approach of pattern drafting from measurements. Some of the basics are still the same, but the method is now different enough that I would expect rather different results on certain women. I don't quite follow the mechanics of Cori's description of measuring for the underbust-to-bust angle, but then I also consider these things as not really measurable, because so much shifting takes place during the fitting process. I use measurements only to create a sketchy outline for the first cutting, and mostly to ensure that there will be enough fabric to go around the body for the first fitting. The shape of the pieces ends up drastically different from any measurements I might start with. Let me add a few notes to other comments made on the SCA-garb thread. First, I'd stress the importance of lying down when fitting; lifting the breasts by hand makes it more likely for the breasts to remain as independent attachments protruding from the torso, whereas lying down better integrates the breast mass with the torso, making it easier to create a smooth funnel-shaped expansion to hold the breast swell. Second, someone (in either the thread or in the article) suggested you can flare the dress from below the underbust. I personally do not think this would provide sufficient stability of the dress on the body for many women. If you fit the torso down to the waist, then the dress will not shift vertically on the body. Third, I find it essential to keep the armhole small, cut close to the underarm, and not lower the armhole as someone suggested; if you get a crease across the bust, there are other ways to fix that. Lowering the armhole opening gives you mobility problems with the arm later, and can allow undesirable spillage of the breast into the armhole. Fourth, although the working area of the front openings (the part that takes stress) should indeed be on a single vertical grainline, if you are wearing a high neckline that needs to curve back over the top of the breast, you may indeed need to shape the front edges at the top couple of inches. For this reason, I usually do not sew the top couple of eyelets on each side until the dress is completely and finally fitted. This is not an issue for a lower (Tres Riches Heures-style) neckline, though. As to the question that started the thread, about whether these dresses were ever back-laced, I have found no evidence for that, and I have seen plenty of images showing women half-unlaced with the lacing in the front, even if the same artist does not show visible front lacing on other pictures in which the dress is completely closed. So, I always use a front opening. Bear in mind, too, that many of the fitted dresses in images are overdresses, to be worn *over* the hardworking fitted underdress. The overdress might conceivably be laced in the back, but it's not taking the stress. Also, a woman is more likely to have help lacing an overdress, but probably needs to be able to get in and out of her underdress/everyday-dress by herself. I do not think side lacings would work for this dress on most women. Although perhaps some women can make the fitting work with only side lacings, they would be a lucky fluke; it seems pretty clear that the development of the style as a whole was partly dependent on the innovation of the center front opening. Parsla, if you think it would be helpful to pass any of these comments back to the SCA-Garb list, feel free. You may also want to let people know I have some notes and tips up on my not-quite-a-website, at . --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 4 22:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30928 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:02:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g153eOO21466; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:40:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g153e1A21030; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g153bdA20262 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:37:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.149] (pm5-149.eos.net [205.133.149.149]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17315 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:33:49 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202041101.g14B12A17896@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: corded bodice Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:31:36 -0500 Status: RO I have not been reading this thread because I didn't think I was interested. But I read the one with the web site posted by accident, and I'm so glad I did! Wow! What a cool idea! Now I want to read all about it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 05:42:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01057 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:42:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g15BJjO11838; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:19:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15BJ1A05903; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15BIRA05752 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 04:18:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDWVVWMLW000JJJ0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDWVVUDQO200ITPM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:15:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:15:02 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:14:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? In-reply-to: <200202041906.g14J6JA29631@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <30E44536CBC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hello folks, 1920's isn't my pweriod at all.... can anyone point me at on-line images of "generic" 1920's womens' clothing Thanks Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 08:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01722 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:08:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g15DjeO16630; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15Dj3A07264; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15DgIA06447 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:42:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [195.20.224.220] (helo=mrvdom04.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Y5rs-00061g-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:42:40 +0100 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=5wal-lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdom04.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 16Y5pO-0004JU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:40:07 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020205133258.00af4bf8@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? In-Reply-To: <30E44536CBC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200202041906.g14J6JA29631@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:36:21 +0000 Status: RO At 11:14 05/02/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Hello folks, > >1920's isn't my pweriod at all.... can anyone point me at on-line >images of "generic" 1920's womens' clothing Take a look on www.ebay.com and look in the category All Categories > Collectibles > Vintage Clothing, Accessories > Clothing (Pre-1980) and you'll find lots of the real thing up for sale. They usually have lots of photographs so you can easily see how they are made etc. Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 09:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29269 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:21:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g15ExSO20947; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:59:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15Ex1A29752; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f90.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15EvwA29359 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:57:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 06:58:18 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.37 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 14:58:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.37] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2002 14:58:18.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BA36900:01C1AE55] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:58:17 -0500 Status: RO I just did a quick google search, and the first site that came up was Penny's site. http://www.costumegallery.com/1920.htm Haven't really looked through it all that much, but the little I've seen seems to be right up your alley. Parsla ----Original Message Follows---- From: Teddy Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:14:53 +0000 (GMT) Hello folks, 1920's isn't my pweriod at all.... can anyone point me at on-line images of "generic" 1920's womens' clothing Thanks Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32161 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:20:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g161vNO28715; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:57:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g161vAJ25115; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15GfxJ24288 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10331 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:41:59 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? In-Reply-To: <30E44536CBC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:41:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think there are some good early 20th century clothing pics on www.marquise.de -- I was looking at some of the 1910s stuff yesterday. Cheers, Mara On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Teddy wrote: > Hello folks, > > 1920's isn't my pweriod at all.... can anyone point me at on-line > images of "generic" 1920's womens' clothing > > Thanks > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32183 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:29:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g16270O29811; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1626vJ28779; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:06:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (dsl-6414918377.internetconnect.net [64.149.183.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15Ii6J09274 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16226 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:52:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3C602962.599C046A@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? References: <30E44536CBC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:50:10 -0800 Status: RO To Teddy- Try === http://www.costumes.org/pages/1920links.htm === It's Tara McGinness' (sp??) site, which has tons of images but very little in the way of citations; however, it can be a good jump off point. Good luck, and, BTW, whatcha up to with Roarin' Twenties? Theresa Eacker Teddy wrote: > > Hello folks, > > 1920's isn't my pweriod at all.... can anyone point me at on-line > images of "generic" 1920's womens' clothing > > Thanks > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32270 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g162MEO01454; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:22:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162MAJ04735; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:22:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15IlCJ19062 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:47:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A88E28203A0; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 12:46:38 -0600 Message-ID: <005601c1ae75$5a14be00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:45:57 -0500 Status: RO Parsla, Thank you for the plug. That webpage along with my 1920 Delineator are some of my most visited sites for the past year. http://www.onlinecostumeball.com/Delineator/Nov_1920/Magazine.htm I have been trying to decide which area of my website to expand. There is a grant that I am applying for that could cover this. Trying to decide which pet project to go with has been like trying to decide which is my favorite child. After last night, I think it will be the 1920s. One of my long range goals is to have a Delineator magazine online for every year in a given decade. This way people could really see how the fashions changed for the average person year by year . I already have purchased all the issues for the 1880s. But the 1920s are so popular right now. I have been purchasing issues of the 1920s for the past year. WELL, last night I came across a dealer who has every issue of Delineator for the 1920s. He has offered me a *sweet* deal. So we will see what happens. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 20:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32292 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:47:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g162OlO01663; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162OiJ05628; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:24:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15IxfJ03719 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:59:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-12-115.s623.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.115] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16YAoe-00035u-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:59:40 -0500 Message-ID: <3C602D6E.6991EFD8@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edge finishing, 11th-12th c.? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 14:07:26 -0500 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Judy, many thanks for the summary. My original question was rather > specific: whether there is any solid evidence for techniques used to > finish edges (not seams, but things like collars and cuff edges) on wool > garments of the 11th or 12th centuries. France/England would be ideal, but > of course I'd be happy for data from anywhere in Europe from this time. There is one diagram that deals with edging stitches (as opposed to the others that deal with body seams). If you like I can send you a jpg of that diagram. the book probably does get into detail - it goes into extreme amounts including which way the thread was spun and there's even a microfiche page in the back, I just don't have the time to look through it since it takes a bit more than quick scanning! But the diagram shows a rolled edge on silk (probably from a cap), raw edge turned under twice on linen, two raw edges bound togehter an dturned under once on wool, raw edge turned under once and hemmed with an upright stitch on wool, herringbone on wool, and a raw edge turned under once with added decorative stitching on wool. I don't see any real quick mention of collars and cuffs, mostly she's working with scraps, naalbinded socks, and bands and the like. > How far back do the York finds go, and do any of the finds show edge > finishes? Let's see, she says "the majority are from the mid 9th to the mid 11th century.... There is also a small but seful group of finds dated to the period from the mid 11th to the 14th centry: 13 woven, 32 yarn or dardage and two raw fibre." -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32352 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g162gVO02819; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162gPJ11649; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15JWhJ23732 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:32:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09224.; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:40:24 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:32:39 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] 1920s man's accessory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g15JWhJ23732 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 19:32:23 +0000 Status: RO The list seems quiet today so I'll contribute a question, though this isn't my period of interest. In photos from the 20s and 30s, gentlemen are sometimes seen with the ends of their shirt-collar linked together by some kind of clip underneath the knot of their tie, but I've never heard this item named. Does anyone know what they were called? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:07:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32361 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g162ilO03011; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:44:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162ihJ12350; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:44:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g15K3XJ10630 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:03:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g15K3Yht012532 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:03:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] inkle-woven trim? In-Reply-To: <20020204184721.85854.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:03:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Angela, The inkle loom seems to be widely used in SCA circles, but I believe it wasn't invented (or at least, not used in the West) until the 19th century at the earliest. Maybe someone more familiar with that specific loom can be more specific, but I know it wasn't used in Europe or the American colonies in the 18th century or earlier. The most commonly used household loom for weaving plain 'tapes' or ribbons, for stuff like apron ties and that sort of thing, would have been a tape loom (or rigid heddle loom) like this: http://colonialreproductions.com/crprod5.html It gives you a basic tabby-weave tape; you can get various designs by using different colors in the warp. Another option for you might be card-weaving: http://www.duke.edu/~scg3/basictw.html Card weaving was no longer used by the 18th c., so far as I know, but is fine for medieval use. You can get everything from a plain tabby weave (use only two holes in each card) to really complicated stuff. Cheers, Mara On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Angela Kovatch wrote: > Anyway, I started having crazy thoughts about how I > could weave my own trim to adorn future outfits. > (With all my extra spare time.) So I was wondering: > when and where would people have sewn inkle-woven (or > similar weaving style, please specify) bands onto > garments as decoration? If I asked for an inkle loom > for my birthday, how much use would it be to me? (My > current nebulous plans include 12th-16th century.) > > Thanks! > -Angela > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32372 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g162lHO03171; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162lDJ13091; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:47:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g162YdJ09004 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:34:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01806 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:51:03 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edge finishing, 11th-12th c.? In-Reply-To: <3C602D6E.6991EFD8@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:51:03 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Judy Mitchell wrote: > There is one diagram that deals with edging stitches (as opposed > to the others that deal with body seams). If you like I can send you a > jpg of that diagram. the book probably does get into detail - it goes > into extreme amounts including which way the thread was spun and > there's even a microfiche page in the back, I just don't have the time > to look through it since it takes a bit more than quick scanning! But > the diagram shows a rolled edge on silk (probably from a cap), raw > edge turned under twice on linen, two raw edges bound togehter an > dturned under once on wool, raw edge turned under once and hemmed with > an upright stitch on wool, herringbone on wool, and a raw edge turned > under once with added decorative stitching on wool. I don't see any > real quick mention of collars and cuffs, mostly she's working with > scraps, naalbinded socks, and bands and the like. Yes please! The wool examples sound like what I need. Are they labeled as to which is which? And does she indicate which find (e.g. which century) each example comes from? I wouldn't want to use a 14th-c. edging if there's a 12th-c. edging available. If there's doubt I'll use the simplest. The "two raw edges bound together and turned under once on wool" piques my interest. Is this from a two-layer (lined) garment/item? Do we know when it came from? Many, many thanks. I'll ILL the book, but it'll help to have the info sooner than I can get the book. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32482 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:44:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g163L5O05265; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:21:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g163L0J23542; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.ea.gov.au (proxy.ea.gov.au [155.187.2.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g163AtJ20535 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from parkes07.ea.gov.au ([155.187.160.26]) by proxy.ea.gov.au (8.9.2/EAFWv1) with SMTP id OAA02577 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:06:21 +1100 (EST) Received: from EA-Message_Server by parkes07.ea.gov.au with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:12:41 +1100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 From: "Annette Wilson" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] Hair under veils and wimples Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:12:23 +1100 Status: RO Today's Topics: 1. Re: OT: Long hair (Jean Waddie) 2. Re: Re: cotehardie (Parsla Liepa) 3. brotherhood of the wolf (Linda Rice) 4. Re: 12th century lining techniques (chimericalgirl@attbi.com) 5. Re: Re: cotehardie (Robin Netherton) 6. Re: corded bodice (Gail & Scott Finke) 7. Generic 1920's clothing?? (Teddy) 8. Re: Generic 1920's clothing?? (The Duchess) 9. Re: Generic 1920's clothing?? (Parsla Liepa) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:14:07 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Jean wrote "It's not the veil you have to fiddle with, it's the hair. I braid mine as tight as I can when wearing veils, but I always find the movement of the cloth against my head brushes the short wispy bits of hair around my face out of the braid, and it itches! It's not so bad with a loose wrapped headcloth, but if I wear the wimple style pinned tightly around the face, I find I want to take it off at least once during the day and brush my hair back again." A year or more back, there was a discussion about how often people washed their hair at various periods, and the manageability of the hair when it was washed infrequently and natural oils built up. Perhaps that's part of the answer - in the past, hair was less likely to be wispy and "fly-away" because it wasn't "squeaky clean". Increased grip between strands of hair would also assist in holding some of the elaborate plaited and looped hairstyles in place, without the sprays, gels and mousses we use today. On the other hand, veils may have needed more frequent laundering. I have recently had my hair cut short, 1 or 2 inches at most, and find that there is little difference in the way wigs and wraps stay on, but then I have always had very fine hairs with not enough body to hold a perm. Annette Wilson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:48:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32494 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g163PxO05579; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g163PuJ25141; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:25:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g163DYJ21294 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:13:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id 6.161.8575998 (4209) for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:13:28 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <161.8575998.2991f958@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s man's accessory To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_161.8575998.2991f958_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:13:28 EST Status: RO --part1_161.8575998.2991f958_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/2002 9:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: > . In photos from the 20s and 30s, gentlemen are sometimes seen with the ends > of their shirt-collar linked together by some kind of clip underneath the > knot of their tie, but I've never heard this item named. Does anyone know > what they were called? > These came back into style in the early 80s. We called them collar bars. --part1_161.8575998.2991f958_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/2002 9:45:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes:


. In photos from the 20s and 30s, gentlemen are sometimes seen with the ends of their shirt-collar linked together by some kind of clip underneath the knot of their tie, but I've never heard this item named. Does anyone know what they were called?


These came back into style in the early 80s. We called them collar bars. --part1_161.8575998.2991f958_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 5 21:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32509 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:54:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g163WAO06080; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g163W6J27037; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g163JMJ23029 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:19:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A09B810344; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:18:51 -0600 Message-ID: <005701c1aebc$e7fd33e0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s man's accessory X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:18:10 -0500 Status: RO Kate, It is called a tie bar. They were also fashionable in the late 1970s when I was selling menswear. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 6 00:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00395 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g165kGO14003; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:46:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g165kAJ07592; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g165KRJ00141 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:20:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACFD8402D6; Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:19:57 -0600 Message-ID: <009401c1aecd$d2875de0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <161.8575998.2991f958@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s man's accessory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C1AEA3.E95D6980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:19:16 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C1AEA3.E95D6980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that I think of it, I have seen upper class men today wearing tie bars. They really make a man look classy. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C1AEA3.E95D6980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C1AEA3.E95D6980-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 6 00:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00481 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:44:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g166MJO15410; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g166MEJ17285; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:22:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1660dJ11631 for ; Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:00:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02587 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:17:04 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s man's accessory In-Reply-To: <009401c1aecd$d2875de0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:17:04 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Now that I think of it, I have seen upper class men today wearing tie > bars. They really make a man look classy. Or a woman! I have some conservative women's suits (one black, one navy) that I wear with a man's white French-cuff shirt, plus old-gold cufflinks and a tie bar that belonged to my great-uncle. The masculine style helps offset the visual impact of my hair (waist-length, thick, and curly), so the balance is conservative and professional, without my having to wear my hair up, which is unflattering on me. The tie bar adds just the right touch of decoration, and looks fine without a tie. Sometimes I add a delicate gold chain that is visible only for a few inches below the tie bar. Both suits are three-piece with a vest, and I wear a pocketwatch in the vest pocket, with chain hooked to the vest buttonhole. Now I just need a good antique fob, but I have no clue how these were worn. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 6 04:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29237 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g169xZO23064; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:59:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g169xSJ07273; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:59:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g169bUJ02374 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:37:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA24592.; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:45:18 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:37:33 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920s man's accessory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g169bUJ02374 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:37:01 +0000 Status: RO Robin wrote: >>> Or a woman! I have some conservative women's suits (one black, one navy) >that I wear with a man's white French-cuff shirt, plus old-gold cufflinks >and a tie bar that belonged to my great-uncle. [Snip] >Both suits are three-piece with a vest, and I wear a pocketwatch in the .vest pocket, with chain hooked to the vest buttonhole. Now I just need a >good antique fob, but I have no clue how these were worn. Hanging from the bar that goes through the buttonhole? Sounds great - I love the look of a waistcoat (vest) and watch chain. I don't remember seeing tie bars worn here in the 70s/80s, but perhaps I don't meet enough elegant men! I only know them from old photographs and TV costume dramas. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 6 06:09:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29496 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g16BlMO26330; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:47:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16BlFJ13039; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:47:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16BUSJ09752 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:30:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KDYALPRQE800KK87@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:32:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KDYALLJFY000LU3N@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:32:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:26:57 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:26:02 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.65) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:25:55 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? In-reply-to: <200202060227.g162RiJ06782@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <32673F14996@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Thanks for the suggestions - I've passed them on to the person concerned so she can look through her wardrobe and see if she has anything she can easily "fake-it" with. She should never have gotten rid of that peach drop-waisted dress that she "hardly ever wore" in last year's clear-out frenzy.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 6 08:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32055 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g16E3UO01482; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:03:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16E3FJ14352; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:03:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mysticaquarium.org ([209.113.196.245]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g16DgOJ08719 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:42:25 -0700 (MST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: <3179E88223C9D31181BC00C04F800BF97DF5CD@EXCHANGE> From: lmcdonough@ife.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Bodice ties Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:42:03 -0500 Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm new to this list, but have enjoyed the posts I've read since last week and especially enjoyed buying fabric from fabrics4u! My question is about materials to tie bodices - what would be available in the 16th century? I'm guessing silk satin ribbon, but what about silk grosgrain? Any other ideas? Thanks - Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 22:08:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13747 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:08:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g183jsO02316; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:45:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g183jgV21909; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:45:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1738vn09101 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:08:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtmia.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.218.74]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Yevh-0002YT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:08:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a901c1ad6a$f290d080$39cdf1c3@henk> References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost > <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net><3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost><4.3.1.2.200201 30050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com> <00a901c1ad6a$f290d080$39cdf1c3@henk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:05:31 -0800 Status: RO At 11:38 AM +0100 2/4/02, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: >I can imagine shortish hair being more difficult to fit under a >wimple and veil, but almost all medieval women had long hair, in >braids, which were partly used to pin the upper veil to. I know nuns >had very short hair and, in consequence, no way of pinning the veil >to the braids. I wonder how they did it. Was it that they had a sewn >and fitted wimple, like a hood without a liripipe and fastenings at >the back like they used to have in the 19th c, or was there another >solution they used. Aha! I can answer that one! At least, if the way Poor Clares have done it is any indication. (Like everyone else's, their habits have changed somewhat with the times, but less than most, since they were very simple to begin with -- no starch, no pleats, no fuss). Step 1: a plain white cap fitted to the head. Step 2: a wimple under the chin, pinned to the cap on both sides. (In modern times these two things *are* now often combined into a sewn shape with a hole for the face.) Step 3: a black veil with small squares of black felt sewn in strategic places on the underside. Pins go into the felt, emerge to catch a bit of the cap/wimple arrangement, and go back into the felt. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 22:10:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13765 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:10:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g183mwO02478; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:48:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g183mrV22773; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g175Dfn20321 for ; Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:13:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from pacbell.net ([63.195.84.96]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GR5002ZMD6UPA@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:13:43 -0800 (PST) From: larry kincaid To: h-costume Message-id: <3C620DF3.A0432B@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Subject: [h-cost] P Obrian film; extras Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:17:39 -0800 Status: RO Here is another example of where the reenactment world is taking part in the film industry. http://www.tallshipnewswire.com/jscript/article.php3?id=758 regards Larry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 22:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13792 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:20:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g183wNO03083; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:58:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g183wIV25635; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:58:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g178S2n07439 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-102.frys.com [66.121.20.102]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g178ST620956 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:28:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties In-Reply-To: <3179E88223C9D31181BC00C04F800BF97DF5CD@EXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:45:57 -0800 Status: RO >I'm new to this list, but have enjoyed the posts I've read since last week >and especially enjoyed buying fabric from fabrics4u! > >My question is about materials to tie bodices - what would be available in >the 16th century? I'm guessing silk satin ribbon, but what about silk >grosgrain? Any other ideas? I don't think the average grunt-level peasant had silk anything, much less silk ribbon bodice ties. For lower class I always go with braided string (I do a multi-colour four-strand braid). Satin ribbon doesn't stay tied, and grosgrain ribbon does. But any picture I have seen, which actually show the ties, seem to show round cord, rather than flat stuff like ribbon, doing the job. Sometimes I see decorative ribbon laced across the fronts of things like stomachers and plastrons, but I don't think these ribbons are doing any structural work, just sitting there looking pretty. Most Ren. Faire and SCA folks use narrow grosgrain ribbon, with the ends cut on the diagonal so they don't fray. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 22:22:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13822 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:22:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1840wO03326; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:00:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1840sV26364; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:00:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g17KssV04288 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:54:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g17KtZb22932 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:55:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020207145315.02c00dc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:56:05 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, I'm trying to find something that was on H-Costume a couple of years ago. Unfortunately the archive link off of the H-Costume info page is coming up as a 404 error. So, does anyone still have this? What I'm looking for is the discussion on historical clothing in romance novels (derived from the stuff Robin was collecting to present at the Romance Writer's conference) and the couple of little stories people wrote about the posts. Does anyone remember this and have them still? I kept them until my computer died and wiped everything out... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 22:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13845 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:27:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1845lO03675; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:05:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1845hV27952; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:05:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g182vAV05839 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.141]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020208025712.PVJS12283.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:57:12 -0600 Message-ID: <3C633E44.4000807@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] XOT! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:56:04 -0600 Status: RO Will any non-Meridian SCAdians please contact me off list. Katie *grins at list moderator and waves* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 23:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14149 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:52:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g185U8O08312; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:30:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g185U3V23038; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from felicia.usadatanet.net (IDENT:qmailr@dial-66-218-5-48.usadatanet.net [66.218.5.48] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g185PRV21694 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:25:28 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 888 invoked by uid 500); 8 Feb 2002 05:29:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20020208052942.887.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> From: jdsmith@usadatanet.net To: h-costume@indra.com In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> (message from Carolyn Kayta Barrows on Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:45:57 -0800) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 8 Feb 2002 05:29:42 -0000 Status: RO On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:45:57 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows said: >> My question is about materials to tie bodices - what would be available in >> the 16th century? [...] > For lower class I always go with braided string (I do a multi-colour > four-strand braid). Would this apply to shirt collars and cuffs as well? I know they were tied shut, but what would be an appropriate material? And were drawstrings used in this period for shirt collars or for breeches (underpants)? -- Jesse Smith | jdsmith@usadatanet.net "Let me go, and I will want you more." - Cake _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 7 23:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14153 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:52:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g185UUO08430; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:30:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g185UQV23255; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:30:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g185PgV21766 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:25:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m191.in-tch.com [216.166.191.191]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g185EDX02597 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:14:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C636267.4FE0C63A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020207145315.02c00dc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:30:15 -0700 Status: RO Nope :-(, must have been before I joined the list.....Sounds like a really interesting topic though.....some of the costuming details in those things are great, and some make me wince in pain they're so bad (okay, so I read a few....they're not bad brain-candy in the summer, or if you're housebound in the winter, and have cabin fever)..... --Sue Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm trying to find something that was on H-Costume a couple of years > ago. Unfortunately the archive link off of the H-Costume info page is > coming up as a 404 error. So, does anyone still have this? > > What I'm looking for is the discussion on historical clothing in romance > novels (derived from the stuff Robin was collecting to present at the > Romance Writer's conference) and the couple of little stories people wrote > about the posts. Does anyone remember this and have them still? I kept > them until my computer died and wiped everything out... > > Cheers, > Danielle > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 00:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14178 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:00:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g185cLO08821; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:38:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g185cHV25561; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01g.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.237]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g185ZrV24751 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2815 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 05:35:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([209.130.201.53]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2002 05:35:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01c1b061$ef549a60$35c982d1@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <20020208052942.887.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:32:00 -0500 Status: RO Most of the ties I have seen on shirts seem to be "thread" (sometimes the same color as the embroidery) that appears to be braided or otherwise made into thin cord (personally, I've used a simple crochet stitch- I can do it with my hands and it's dirt simple) Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties > On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 13:45:57 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows said: > > >> My question is about materials to tie bodices - what would be available in > >> the 16th century? > > [...] > > > For lower class I always go with braided string (I do a multi-colour > > four-strand braid). > > Would this apply to shirt collars and cuffs as well? I know they were > tied shut, but what would be an appropriate material? And were > drawstrings used in this period for shirt collars or for breeches > (underpants)? > > -- > Jesse Smith | jdsmith@usadatanet.net > "Let me go, and I will want you more." - Cake > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 01:09:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14358 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:09:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g186l7O12310; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g186l2V14124; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g186iVV13394 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:44:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13902 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:01:05 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020207145315.02c00dc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:01:05 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > I'm trying to find something that was on H-Costume a couple of years > ago. Unfortunately the archive link off of the H-Costume info page is > coming up as a 404 error. So, does anyone still have this? > > What I'm looking for is the discussion on historical clothing in > romance novels (derived from the stuff Robin was collecting to present > at the Romance Writer's conference) and the couple of little stories > people wrote about the posts. Does anyone remember this and have them > still? I kept them until my computer died and wiped everything out... I believe the h-cost website archive would only have recent stuff, and I don't know if that archive is functional anyway. But the discussion should be on the archive at , which goes back years. Eric has changed the search function now so that you can search only for subject line or author, not by content. I forget the subject line I used when I first asked the question, but look for postings under my name in or before October 1998. I gave the lecture on Oct. 31 of that year, and I probably had a couple of months' notice during which I would have gathered material. For those who weren't around then: I gave a lecture on medieval costume to the D.C. chapter of the Romance Writers of America. (If you're going to write a bodice-ripper, you really need to know something about the bodices, right?) As part of my prep, I asked people on the h-cost list to describe their pet peeves about clothing descriptions in medieval/Renaissance/Elizabethan historic fiction. It was a great discussion! I compiled the best comments and suggestions (with permission) and presented them to the romance writers. As I recall, most of the questions I got from that particular audience had to do with underwear. Some of them were very surprised that their medieval heroines wouldn't be wearing corsets, lace garments, leather wench bodices, or any form of panties. I also talked a lot about body image and changing standards of attractiveness, and discussed the choices they'd need to make between writing something authentically historic and something that would make sense to the average modern reader, who probably wouldn't realize (for instance) that exposing one's arms or hair would be a sexual signal, or that a recognized beauty would not be raven-haired. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 01:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14519 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:28:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18768O13104; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18763V18328; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:06:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1871mV17392 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:01:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13984 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:18:23 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:18:23 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Following up my own post: Naturally, I had to go and look myself. You'll find the discussion in the archive at in October 1998 under the subject line "Novel misconceptions". The search for those words should also bring up my compiled handout under the subject line "Novel misconceptions, again". There are about 25 posts in all. Happy reading. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 02:12:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01032 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g187oBO14795; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:50:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g187o4V28151; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g187kuV27537 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:46:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2586FA039A; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:46:32 -0600 Message-ID: <01d601c1b074$9f8e90e0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] First Place to See it Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:45:47 -0500 Status: RO I found the first place (that I have found) that has published the article that the Associated Press interviewed me for about 1940s fashion. It is a Canadian website: http://www.canoe.ca/LifewiseStyle0201/0130_patriotbeauty2-ap.html my part is on page 2. Interesting... the title has changed. The article must be slowly leaking out. The editor of our newspaper's fashion section told me that it is released as a special edition. That means it can used with a group of articles like in fashion week in NYC or whenever someone wants this type of story. I have found the article in the AP archives. Please let me know if you see it anywhere else. My local editor said that they are more interested in me for an article about my business. Two other reporters have approached me, one from Phillie, and another is a columnist. This is interesting roller coaster ride. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10810 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1894AO18284; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:04:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18944V14295; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g188xkV13340 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:59:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA26584 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202080917.BAA26584@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 01:17:29 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I'm considering making up Folkwear #241 Fifties Fit & Flare Has anyone here tried that pattern yet? After my fiasco with the Butterick Retro pattern, I decided I'd try something that was drafted for a modern figure. The one thing I notice from the photo of the dress is that the models are swimming in their dresses. I'm hoping this means the size 16 is really an 18 that fits snugly. This type of dress should have _some_ ease, but what I see in the photo is ridiculous. I'd love to hear from somone who's already worked their way through this pattern before I start my muslin. Knowing from the start if I'm going to need to add to the bodice would speed things up a whole lot. I may be going from one extreme (ultra-fitted retro pattern) to the other (sack-like modern pattern). I'm hoping what I'm seeing isn't just because the models are really skinny. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10824 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:31:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1899AO18419; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18994V15525; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18965V14827 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD2F10F4D5 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ip128.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.128]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 47A8A3A8003 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:07:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <017f01c1b088$c2b57fc0$80604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg & Dianne Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:09:56 -0600 Status: RO This was wonderful, and such fun to read! I gave up reading romance novels long ago, for many of the same reasons--well, that and the fact that I like books to have an occasional variation on plot. And men who don't have steely grey, icy blue, or tawny eyes. I don't personally know anyone with tawny golden eyes. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives > > Following up my own post: > > Naturally, I had to go and look myself. You'll find the discussion in the > archive at in October 1998 > under the subject line "Novel misconceptions". The search for those words > should also bring up my compiled handout under the subject line "Novel > misconceptions, again". There are about 25 posts in all. Happy reading. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10828 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:31:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1899FO18434; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1899AV15552; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1896DV14850 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:06:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KE0Y5JTWKG00MOFC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:08:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KE0Y5IA8CA00LTLU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:08:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:02:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:02:04 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.47) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:02:01 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-reply-to: <200202080343.g183hCV20666@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3540EE84526@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:02:01 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hello H-costumers, In a recent e-discussion with a non-h-costumer, I was sent the following information about pictures showing pre 16th women's knickers..... The first one isn't clear, but could show a woman if the markings on the chest are meant to be breasts, the second one is pretty clear. The others I haven't actually seen the pictures reffered to. Any comments about these references and what they show? *************************************** > That's why I am on a quest to find as much evidence of women's > underware as possible. This is what I have found so far: > > http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/pictures/Alexander/non-ten > ts/ Brun ehilda%20drawers%20(RA%2042v).jpg > > It puts the underware back to 14th century. > > http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Mujeres/Imagenes/Semiramis.html > > An illustration for Semiramis, from a Spanish 1494 edition of > Boccaccio's De Claris Mulieribus. > > There is also a picture in a clothing history book showing a woman > wearing the bikini type panties. The book, unfortunately, doesn't > say which manuscript this particular picture is from. It might be > from the Bible of Wenceslas IV. Unless it is a forgery, it is > pre-16th century. > > In one illuminated 15th century manuscript of Decameron there is a > picture of a woman wearing something on her lower body and nothing > else. The underware class handout that has a copy of this picture > is unfortunately so blurred that it is impossible to see what she > actually wears. Might be just a wrap, I intend to find out what > she wears. > > These are the references of pre 16th century women's underware I > have been able to find so far. *************************************** Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10838 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g189F8O18608; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:15:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189F3V16919; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189AIV15839 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA03228.; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:18:10 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:10:20 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g189AIV15839 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:09:49 +0000 Status: RO Jesse Smith asked: >Would this apply to shirt collars and cuffs as well? I know they were >tied shut, but what would be an appropriate material? And were >drawstrings used in this period for shirt collars or for breeches >(underpants)? Certainly in the 17th century collars and cuffs were tied with white (or undyed) cords with little tassels on the ends, (known as bandstrings, as the collars were called bands). There's been much debate as to whether women's shifts had drawstrings; the consensus seems to be, not before the 18th century, so I suppose the same applies to men's underclothes. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:37:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10842 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:37:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g189FFO18620; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189FAV16950; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:15:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189AKV15851 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p190-nas6.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.216.190]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA02278 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:09:31 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p190-nas6.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.216.190] claimed to be user Message-ID: <002701c1b080$584369c0$bed8adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:09:16 +1300 Status: RO > > I'm trying to find something that was on H-Costume a couple of years > > ago. Unfortunately the archive link off of the H-Costume info page is > > coming up as a 404 error. So, does anyone still have this? Yes most assuredly, I have been meaning to ask this same question;) > I believe the h-cost website archive would only have recent stuff, and I > don't know if that archive is functional anyway. But the discussion should > be on the archive at > For those who weren't around then: I gave a lecture on medieval costume to > the D.C. chapter of the Romance Writers of America. (If you're going to > write a bodice-ripper, you really need to know something about the > bodices, right?) As part of my prep, I asked people on the h-cost list to > describe their pet peeves about clothing descriptions in > medieval/Renaissance/Elizabethan historic fiction. It was a great > discussion! I compiled the best comments and suggestions (with permission) > and presented them to the romance writers. Oooohhh, I wish this was extended to Victorian era.. there is a piece of dreadful fiction out there; a sequel to Phatom of the opera.. and the writer wrote something about feeling the warmth of the small of the back (of the heroine) under a dinner dress... umm can we say solidly boned corset chemise and a fit that was beyond firm? The rest of the novel is in this vein, not well researched in any areas.. except the setting which happened to be the home of the author;). A big pet peeve of mine in romantic fiction for sure. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:52:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10872 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:52:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g189URO19026; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:30:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189ULV19847; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:30:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189PkV18998 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9847D103F4; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 03:25:24 -0600 Message-ID: <021301c1b082$6e8dac20$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200202080917.BAA26584@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:24:38 -0500 Status: RO Lee, Have you checked the Pattern Review site at the Greater Bay Area Costumer's Guild. Maybe they have a review of this pattern. http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/ Also you might want to check out the 50sFashion email list at yahoogroups.com. Maybe some of the people have used this pattern. There is also email list called sewretro at yahoogroups. Good luck! Good night.... Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 03:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10890 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:58:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g189aSO19260; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:36:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189aLV21210; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:36:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g189X8V20507 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KE0Z2YRQWG00N3YK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:35:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KE0Z2UOSLK00LTLU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:35:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:29:35 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:29:20 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.47) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:29:15 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generic 1920's clothing?? In-reply-to: <200202080343.g183htV21003@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <35483456427@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Good luck, and, BTW, whatcha up to with Roarin' Twenties? Someone is going to take part in a 1920's live-roleplay game (authenticity is probably not high on their list of priorities) and wants to know the sort of "look" she's going to need to fake cheaply, possibly from her existing wardrobe, for a one-off event. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 04:47:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11421 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18APUO20721; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18APMV14826; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18AKHV06255 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id CAA27069 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:37:59 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202081037.CAA27069@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 02:37:59 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >Have you checked the Pattern Review site at the Greater Bay Area Costumer's >Guild. Maybe they have a review of this pattern. >http://www.gbacg.org/Patterns/ Already checked. It's one of the few ones (besides the kilt) that's not up there. The 50s bombshell dress was noted as running small in the torso. Right now I'm just thinking about whether or not I'll need to redraft pieces. I'm waiting for a bullet bra to arrive before I can do any real fitting. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 06:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12131 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:19:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18Bv9O23348; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Bv2V02742; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18BsDV02242 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:54:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.152]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g18AxIq18861 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:59:18 +1100 Message-ID: <018501c1b097$41318840$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:52:43 +1100 Status: RO Hi Kate, > There's been much debate as to whether women's shifts had drawstrings; the consensus seems to be, not before the 18th century.... There was that painting of Nell Gwyn that was talked about a while back that could make the drawstrings go earlier. I did a search and found a small copy of it on: http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/early_theater/images/Nell_Gwyn.gi f Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 06:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12200 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:28:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18C6AO23615; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18C64V04433; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g18C1BV03523 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:01:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6628 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 12:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.193.116]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Feb 2002 12:01:08 -0000 Message-ID: <008c01c1b098$5a54a9a0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <002701c1b080$584369c0$bed8adcb@user> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:01:33 -0500 Status: RO I remember a CostumeCon many years ago when they did a Snidely Whiplash type skit: "You MUST pay the Rent!" I Can't Pay the Rent!" He tried to tear the bodice off of her, and it wouldn't give at all - he only managed to fling her around, but that bodice would Not Rip. I think I remember him bouncing off of her hoop skirts too. He finally went over to the MC 's stand, and brought out a chain saw. She ran out screaming then. Rowena > > For those who weren't around then: I gave a lecture on medieval costume to > > the D.C. chapter of the Romance Writers of America. (If you're going to > > write a bodice-ripper, you really need to know something about the > > bodices, right?) As part of my prep, I asked people on the h-cost list to > > describe their pet peeves about clothing descriptions in > > medieval/Renaissance/Elizabethan historic fiction. It was a great > > discussion! I compiled the best comments and suggestions (with permission) > > and presented them to the romance writers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 06:28:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12204 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:28:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18C6FO23630; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18C6AV04471; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18C31V03831 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GR7QSY00.1F1 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:02:58 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-134.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.134]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 2/3100301); 08 Feb 2002 22:02:58 Message-ID: <3C64CB8C.28694259@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... References: <3540EE84526@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:11:08 -0800 Status: RO Well, I'm very dubious that the first one is a woman. It was not uncommon to draw the ribcage/diaphragm or pecs on a man in miniatures of this period. I'll give you the second though, with the disclaimer that Spain is always strange. I think perhaps the argument is not so much that there was no female underwear before the 19th century, simply that it was not common practice to wear it. Claire Teddy wrote: > Hello H-costumers, > > In a recent e-discussion with a non-h-costumer, I was sent the > following information about pictures showing pre 16th women's > knickers..... The first one isn't clear, but could show a woman if the > markings on the chest are meant to be breasts, the second one is > pretty clear. The others I haven't actually seen the pictures reffered > to. > > Any comments about these references and what they show? > > *************************************** > > > That's why I am on a quest to find as much evidence of women's > > underware as possible. This is what I have found so far: > > > > http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/pictures/Alexander/non-ten > > ts/ Brun ehilda%20drawers%20(RA%2042v).jpg > > > > It puts the underware back to 14th century. > > > > http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Mujeres/Imagenes/Semiramis.html > > > > An illustration for Semiramis, from a Spanish 1494 edition of > > Boccaccio's De Claris Mulieribus. > > > > There is also a picture in a clothing history book showing a woman > > wearing the bikini type panties. The book, unfortunately, doesn't > > say which manuscript this particular picture is from. It might be > > from the Bible of Wenceslas IV. Unless it is a forgery, it is > > pre-16th century. > > > > In one illuminated 15th century manuscript of Decameron there is a > > picture of a woman wearing something on her lower body and nothing > > else. The underware class handout that has a copy of this picture > > is unfortunately so blurred that it is impossible to see what she > > actually wears. Might be just a wrap, I intend to find out what > > she wears. > > > > These are the references of pre 16th century women's underware I > > have been able to find so far. > > *************************************** > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 06:35:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12289 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:35:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18CE8O23779; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18CE2V05938; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18CAEV05364 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:10:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.152]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g18BFKq19063 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:15:20 +1100 Message-ID: <01c701c1b099$7ea34a40$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties & accidents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:09:42 +1100 Status: RO This one didn't seem to come through properly before. G. > Hi Laurie, > > I find that cord (I use lucet-woven) is great, as the silk ribbon I've been > able to get commercially is way too frail for the structural work, and the > cord doesn't slip as much as ribbon. I'd love to get my hands on sone silk > grosgrain, if you know a supplier - I've got a 17th century suit to make > when my broken arm heals, and am doing a subtle blue silk ribbon decoration > on a blue wool felt - the thin silk ribbon would be OK, but I'd be happier > to have more alternatives to ponder. > > BTW all: > I broke it on Tuesday at the elbow joint, and will need an operation - of > course, I broke my sewing arm (how depressing!) > Also in related news, on Tuesday arvo (yes - the same day) my 12yo son, > Andrew was clipped by a car on the crossing near his school (an accident - > the lights changed too quickly in the rain, with an umbrella up, and a truck > blocking the driver's view at 80km/h in an 80km/h zone - too fast I think). > He's got lacerations and contusions on one knee, and one hand, and his face > is a bit of a mess - knocked out the two front teeth (now replaced and > wired - hope they'll stay), but no breaks or internal injuries, and above > all, he's alive! > > Glenda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:42 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Bodice ties > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm new to this list, but have enjoyed the posts I've read since last week > > and especially enjoyed buying fabric from fabrics4u! > > > > My question is about materials to tie bodices - what would be available in > > the 16th century? I'm guessing silk satin ribbon, but what about silk > > grosgrain? Any other ideas? > > > > Thanks - Laurie > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 06:36:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12293 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:36:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18CEIO23795; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18CECV05996; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:14:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g18CAKV05385 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 05:10:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200202081210.g18CAKV05385@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 21367 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2002 12:10:24 -0000 Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 12:10:24 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:10:22 +0000 Status: RO Glenda Robinson wrote : > There was that painting of Nell Gwyn that was talked about a while back that > could make the drawstrings go earlier. > I did a search and found a small copy of it on: > http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/early_theater/images/Nell_Gwyn.gi > f Here's a bigger and better copy: http://www.artsworld.com/art-architecture/archived-photos/reviews/PaintedLadies4400.jpg Should anyone else want to try searching, it's by Simon Verelst c1680-5 and is in the National Portrait Gallery. The copy on the NPG's own web site isn't as good as the one on Artsworld, unfortunately. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 08:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12909 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18DiBO26913; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:44:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Di2V25650; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18DffV24895 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA21526.; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:49:34 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:41:44 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g18DffV24895 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:41:21 +0000 Status: RO Actually these URLs show 2 different portraits, and neither is the one that was discussed earlier! The first one seems to show a shift with a front opening, so the neckline could well have sewn gathers. The point about the picture we discussed earlier was that the neckline was enormous - pulled right down to the waist - and if not on a drawstring it would have been very difficult to arrange under a bodice. Unless it was just a sexual fantasy of the artist's to show such a low decollete. > There was that painting of Nell Gwyn that was talked about a while back that > could make the drawstrings go earlier. > I did a search and found a small copy of it on: > http://www.umich.edu/~ece/student_projects/early_theater/images/Nell_Gwyn.gi > f Here's a bigger and better copy: http://www.artsworld.com/art-architecture/archived-photos/reviews/PaintedLadies4400.jpg Should anyone else want to try searching, it's by Simon Verelst c1680-5 and is in the National Portrait Gallery. The copy on the NPG's own web site isn't as good as the one on Artsworld, unfortunately. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 08:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12946 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:18:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18Du8O27457; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Du1V28647; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18DqrV27852 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:52:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15047 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:09:31 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] First Place to See it In-Reply-To: <01d601c1b074$9f8e90e0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:09:31 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I found the first place (that I have found) that has published the article > that the Associated Press interviewed me for about 1940s fashion. It is a > Canadian website: > http://www.canoe.ca/LifewiseStyle0201/0130_patriotbeauty2-ap.html > my part is on page 2. Interesting... the title has changed. If you mean the headline on the article, that's something that the individual paper writes. The AP title is as much a suggestion as anything else. Newspaper editors write headlines to fit the layout they're using, and to comply with internal rules of house style. That means if you're doing Web searches to find the article, searching under the title won't help much. Use keywords, ideally from the lead, or the author's name (but local papers may also drop bylines on a wire story). Another note: If it's not time-sensitive, that article could still be showing up many months from now. When I edited the arts section at a daily newspaper, years ago, I'd hoard "timeless" features so I could pull them out when I had space to fill unexpectedly (e.g. when we got an extra page to the section because of a big ad buy). And I might save articles on a specific topic for many months in preparation for filling some special promotional section that we ran once or twice a year. You might expect to see the article show up in a lot of locally-produced spring fashion supplements over the next few months. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 08:35:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13028 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:35:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18EE9O28571; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18EE2V03869; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18EBCV03056 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.7e.22682201 (4571) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:11:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.22682201.2995367e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Faux 1920s dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:11:10 EST Status: RO About a year ago, I participated in a Halloween skit with a Roaring 20s theme. I got a Past Pattern and made a rayon crepe dress (that pattern was awful, but that's another story!) My participation was a last-minute decision, so I had no time for mail order--thank goodness for G Street. Already had a felt cloche hat that I bought in the 1970s, added gloves and a neck wrap of two minks sewn together, heads, tails, paws, and all. But everyone else improvised: several women wore low-waisted dresses (I was amazed anyone still had one in her wardrobe--I certainly don't--but this could be a thrift store find.) Long beads around the neck, fabric wrapped around the head. Volia! A (sort of) flapper look. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 08:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13072 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18EYGO29795; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:34:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18EY5V09876; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18EUwV08897 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:30:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.119] (pm4-119.eos.net [205.133.149.119]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07211 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:26:48 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202080918.g189I4V17541@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] re: poor clare veils Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:24:38 -0500 Status: RO What kind of cap is the "plain white cap fitted to the head"? Does it tie on? If not, how does it stay on? Is it pinned on? I am very curious about this, because I have experimented with various shapes of cap to wear as a base for veils over my short hair, but none of them are very satisfactory. They always fall off unless I tie them under my chin, and while that works, it doesn't look right. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 09:02:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13096 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:02:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18EeAO00407; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Ee2V12026; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18EaUV10708 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.119] (pm4-119.eos.net [205.133.149.119]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08636 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:32:21 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202080918.g189I4V17541@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Penny's article Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:30:08 -0500 Status: RO Congratulations on the first appearance of the article about you! BTW, titles on AP stories (or any other wire service or syndicated pieces) are only suggested titles. Newspapers or magazines can use whatever titles they like, just as they can edit the stories to any length they like. Have you ever read a newspaper story that stops abruptly, or that jumps strangely from topic to topic? It's probably a wire story that was hurriedly edited to fit a hole in the copy. Just thought you might like to know! Gail Finke Who wrote some AP wire stories once upon a time _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 09:23:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13209 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:23:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18F1AO02155; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18F12V19553; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18EwoV18769 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 07:58:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from cliff.sunflower.com (cliff.sunflower.com [24.124.0.140]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g18Ewtv01718 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:58:55 -0600 Message-Id: <200202081458.g18Ewtv01718@smtp.sunflower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Franklin Web E-mail X-Origin-Ip: 129.237.252.12 From: mdevries@sunflower.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1860s closures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mdevries@sunflower.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:58:55 -0000 Status: RO Hi! I spend a lot of time reading this list, and learn a lot. I have gotten a commission to make a fairly simple Civil War ball gown for a girl, and looking through my patterns, I am not convinced about the directions on the closures. Would it be at all appropriate to have it lace on the back, or are hooks and eyes the only option? Grateful for your input, Margretta Lawrence, KS _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 09:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13460 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:58:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18FaOO05430; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18FaHV05329; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from post.its.mcw.edu (post.its.mcw.edu [141.106.32.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18FW8V03383 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:32:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from post (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by post.its.mcw.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g18FRf802575 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:27:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000501c1b0b5$b8fc5bc0$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> From: "mls" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Folkwear pattern - Bolivian milkmaid jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:31:47 -0600 Status: RO I was wondering if the late-period experts could answer/comment on the following: The Folkwear pattern for the 'Bolivian milkmaid jacket' (with gores in the peplum) has always reminded me of a polychrome embroidered 16th C jacket with silver gilt lace in the V&A (I believe it is pictured in the G.W. Digby's book). Are my untutored eyes (and wishful thinking - can't sew much of anything without a pattern) deceiving me? thanks! Marie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 11:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14316 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:50:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18HRKO18139; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:27:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18HR6V05841; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13508.mail.yahoo.com (web13508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g18HMgV03316 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:22:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.116.39.8] by web13508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:22:47 PST From: Valerie Robertson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C64CB8C.28694259@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:22:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Ladies' underwear was worn before the 19th century in some places, evidenced by the diary of Samuel Pepys. I can't give you the exact entry off the top of my head, but he does confess to spying on his (French-born) wife to see if she wore her drawers when he suspected her of infidelity - that's in the 1660s. The context of the entry implies that she commonly wore underwear. There is also a well-worn anecdote about Benjamin Franklin in the court of France, commenting on the ladies' lack of drawers leaving the gates of Venus open - in the 18th century. Yes, he was a randy old thing, Ben was, but why comment on it if underwear wasn't worn commonly in the colonies? Getting back to the topic, the only archeological evidence for pre-16th women's undies that I know of comes from the Herfjolnes excavation, where a woman was buried in a sealskin bikini-type construction that was probably a medical device for incontinence. -Briony --- Claire Clarke wrote: > perhaps the argument is not so much that there was no female underwear > before > the 19th century, simply that it was not common practice to wear it. > Claire > > Teddy responded to: > > > http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/pictures/Alexander/non-ten > > > ts/ Brun ehilda%20drawers%20(RA%2042v).jpg > > > > > > It puts the underware back to 14th century. > > > > > > http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Mujeres/Imagenes/Semiramis.html > > > > > > An illustration for Semiramis, from a Spanish 1494 edition of > > > Boccaccio's De Claris Mulieribus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 12:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14529 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:16:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18HsDO21135; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:54:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Hs5V21110; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18HoJV18942 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 10:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id JAA29858 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:50:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208092709.01b10a28@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern In-Reply-To: <200202080917.BAA26584@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:51:49 -0800 Status: RO At 01:17 AM 2/8/2002, you wrote: >I'm considering making up Folkwear #241 Fifties Fit & Flare >Has anyone here tried that pattern yet? After my fiasco with the >Butterick Retro pattern, I decided I'd try something that was drafted >for a modern figure. The one thing I notice from the photo of the dress >is that the models are swimming in their dresses. I'm hoping this means >the size 16 is really an 18 that fits snugly. This type of dress should >have _some_ ease, but what I see in the photo is ridiculous. I'd love >to hear from somone who's already worked their way through this pattern >before I start my muslin. Knowing from the start if I'm going to need >to add to the bodice would speed things up a whole lot. > >I may be going from one extreme (ultra-fitted retro pattern) to the >other (sack-like modern pattern). I'm hoping what I'm seeing isn't just >because the models are really skinny. I'm guessing the models must be skinny. I've made this dress up about three times, though not very recently. My recollection is that the pattern does *not* run large. I'm a size 20 now and had to size up the pattern quite a bit to get the dress that fits me (quite snugly -- no ease to speak of in the bodice) now. I'm pretty sure I had to size up the pattern some even when I was still an 18, and that was likewise a snug fit. It's a very flattering pattern if you're an X/hourglass body type, though, and you don't have to do proper grading or redrafting to size it up. All I did was split the pattern pieces down the middle along the grain line and add inches in the middle, with tape. Two observations: (1) If I were doing it again, I would fully line the bodice to provide a better finish for the neckline than that suggested by the pattern and (2) choice of fabric will be important because even if you're quite busty (I'm a 40DD) the pattern will tend to have some excess fabric between the bust and the arm, which bunches a bit. It's a dolman sleeve so there isn't any place I could figure out to put a dart without redrafting the whole thing and putting in a sleeve and arm-scye. With softer or darker fabrics this doesn't look bad, but I'd be a bit wary of anything that's both light-colored and stiff. Good luck. I've always gotten masses of compliments on these dresses, and I love the fact that they have pockets! --Ulrika Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 12:28:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14640 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:28:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18I6JO22471; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:06:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18I6AV28059; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18I2NV25932 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.44.1abe4017 (16784) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:02:20 -0500 (EST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <44.1abe4017.29956cac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Faux 1920s dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_44.1abe4017.29956cac_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:02:20 EST Status: RO --part1_44.1abe4017.29956cac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/2002 6:14:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > thank goodness for G Street. > Sad news. I just took a trip there and they've discontinued their website completely. Bummer. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "I have no other but a woman's reason: I think him so, because I think him so." W. Shakespeare --part1_44.1abe4017.29956cac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/2002 6:14:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes:


thank goodness for G Street. 


Sad news.  I just took a trip there and they've discontinued their website completely.  Bummer.

angela
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Shakespeare --part1_44.1abe4017.29956cac_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 13:37:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15239 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:37:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18JFVO29864; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:15:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18JFNV05305; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:15:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18J9LV02244 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.162.87cd6d1 (4387) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:09:20 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <162.87cd6d1.29957c60@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1860s closures To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:09:20 EST Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/02 10:02:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, mdevries@sunflower.com writes: << Would it be at all appropriate to have it lace on the back, or are hooks and eyes the only option? >> Lacing was reserved for ball gowns in those days. Hooks & eyes or buttons are the most common closings. A good many 1860s day dresses close CF with the skirts attached to the bodice that close side front left. The placket in the skirt will be hidden in the return of a pleat and sometimes a pocket is there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 13:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15344 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:53:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18JVBO01556; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18JV3V13194; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18JQ0V10702 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-63.214.103.202.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.103.202]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZGer-0000Eg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:26:06 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c1b0b5$b8fc5bc0$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear pattern - Bolivian milkmaid jacket Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:20:50 -0400 Status: RO >I was wondering if the late-period experts could answer/comment on the >following: > >The Folkwear pattern for the 'Bolivian milkmaid jacket' (with gores in the >peplum) has always reminded me of a polychrome embroidered 16th C jacket >with silver gilt lace in the V&A (I believe it is pictured in the G.W. >Digby's book). Are my untutored eyes (and wishful thinking - can't sew much >of anything without a pattern) deceiving me? According to the notes on the packet, it "claims" to be descended from Spanish 16th c origins. Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net Editor, Boston Early Music News Deadline Feb. 28 for March 15 issue for events March 15-April 30, 2002 http://www.earlymusicboston.com /bemn for CALENDAR /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 14:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15522 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:20:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18JwBO04275; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Jw2V26190; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18JriV24110 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18JsUb18573 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:54:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:57:58 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, After seeing some of the gowns first hand I think I have a better understanding of Regency clothing. However, I was frankly surprised with one of the gowns I saw in the Museum of London. It looked like it was made out of a teal blue Laura Ashley chintz. So, I was wondering... will this work for Regency? http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/tradition.html I must admit my concept of the fabrics got shaken up a bit. : ) Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15851 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:23:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18L1kO11148; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18L1bV01904; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:01:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g18KwJV29809 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12723 invoked by uid 0); 8 Feb 2002 20:58:14 -0000 Received: from 208-128-166-16.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (208.128.166.16) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 8 Feb 2002 20:58:14 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c1b0da$ff74fa60$a5a7fea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:58:36 -0500 Status: RO Oh, yes, Danielle! That fabric is dead-on for the Regency. In fact, I like it so much, I am ordering some myself! Wheee! It is hard to find Turkey reds like that one with a small print. I love seeing real gowns up close. It really does shake up our ideas of what colors were used then. I'll never forget going to the V&A in London when I was 16 and standing slack-jawed in front of a 1790s day dress of violent red with a golden floral pattern screaming all over it. WOW!!! Cheers, Jennie - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15939 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:33:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LBAO12191; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:11:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LB3V06904; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18L8nV05813 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:08:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18L9ab12641 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208151024.02c54b60@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020207145315.02c00dc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:11:24 -0600 Status: RO Thanks! That was exactly what I was looking for! I just wish I still had the posts I sent to you privately Robin! Cheers, Danielle At 02:01 AM 2/8/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > > I'm trying to find something that was on H-Costume a couple of years > > ago. Unfortunately the archive link off of the H-Costume info page is > > coming up as a 404 error. So, does anyone still have this? > > > > What I'm looking for is the discussion on historical clothing in > > romance novels (derived from the stuff Robin was collecting to present > > at the Romance Writer's conference) and the couple of little stories > > people wrote about the posts. Does anyone remember this and have them > > still? I kept them until my computer died and wiped everything out... > >I believe the h-cost website archive would only have recent stuff, and I >don't know if that archive is functional anyway. But the discussion should >be on the archive at , which >goes back years. Eric has changed the search function now so that you can >search only for subject line or author, not by content. I forget the >subject line I used when I first asked the question, but look for postings >under my name in or before October 1998. I gave the lecture on Oct. 31 of >that year, and I probably had a couple of months' notice during which I >would have gathered material. > >For those who weren't around then: I gave a lecture on medieval costume to >the D.C. chapter of the Romance Writers of America. (If you're going to >write a bodice-ripper, you really need to know something about the >bodices, right?) As part of my prep, I asked people on the h-cost list to >describe their pet peeves about clothing descriptions in >medieval/Renaissance/Elizabethan historic fiction. It was a great >discussion! I compiled the best comments and suggestions (with permission) >and presented them to the romance writers. > >As I recall, most of the questions I got from that particular audience had >to do with underwear. Some of them were very surprised that their medieval >heroines wouldn't be wearing corsets, lace garments, leather wench >bodices, or any form of panties. I also talked a lot about body image and >changing standards of attractiveness, and discussed the choices they'd >need to make between writing something authentically historic and >something that would make sense to the average modern reader, who probably >wouldn't realize (for instance) that exposing one's arms or hair would be >a sexual signal, or that a recognized beauty would not be raven-haired. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16022 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:39:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LHTO12813; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LHGV10165; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:17:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LEFV08639 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:14:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.123.b70b97b (24895) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:11 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <123.b70b97b.2995999e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Faux 1920s dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:06 EST Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/2002 1:07:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, MzScahlett@aol.com writes: << Sad news. I just took a trip there and they've discontinued their website completely. Bummer. >> Yes, they did that a while back. I am lucky enough to live in the Washington area. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16051 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LKDO13123; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LK3V11602; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LHjV10376 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:17:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18LIVb15722 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:18:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208151225.02cacd20@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <017f01c1b088$c2b57fc0$80604e40@suscom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:13:23 -0600 Status: RO LOL! I actually knew someone in high school who had tawny eyes. They were literally the colour of golden amber. I had the most dreadful crush on him for a long time... : ) Cheers, Danielle At 04:09 AM 2/8/2002 -0600, you wrote: >This was wonderful, and such fun to read! I gave up reading romance novels >long ago, for many of the same reasons--well, that and the fact that I like >books to have an occasional variation on plot. And men who don't have steely >grey, icy blue, or tawny eyes. I don't personally know anyone with tawny >golden eyes. > >Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:53:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16120 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LVEO14168; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LV5V17762; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LSAV16023 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:28:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2D71804AC; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:27:51 -0600 Message-ID: <00a401c1b0e7$5b09fe00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <123.b70b97b.2995999e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Faux 1920s dress X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:27:04 -0500 Status: RO I wonder why they stopped their website. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:56:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16132 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:56:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LYBO14455; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LY2V19650; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LT6V16446 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A310D20468; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:28:48 -0600 Message-ID: <00a901c1b0e7$7c8f8900$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208151225.02cacd20@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:28:01 -0500 Status: RO My father-in-law had tawny colors eyes. My dog does too! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16141 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:59:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LbDO14744; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:37:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Lb4V21490; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20408.mail.yahoo.com (web20408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.127]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g18LXKV19159 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:33:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020208213326.22278.qmail@web20408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:33:26 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] sleeping caps (was: poor clare veils) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:33:26 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I would like to make myself a sleeping cap, and wondered if anyone could point me to a nice style. I sleep with my hair in two heidi braids, which keeps it nice and tangle-free as well as out of the way; but the hair on my head before it goes into the braids still gets kind of tousled. Also, a sleeping cap would help keep me warmer in the winter, since I can't pull the blankets over my head. I had been thinking of something like a simple little coif, but I'm sure it would fall off if I didn't tie it on, and if I did tie it under my chin I'm afraid I would accidentally choke myself in the night. I have heard that, through various periods of history, sleeping caps were common, but I don't really know any details of what they looked like or how they were kept on. Thanks! -Angela --- Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > What kind of cap is the "plain white cap fitted to > the head"? Does it tie > on? If not, how does it stay on? Is it pinned on? > > I am very curious about this, because I have > experimented with various > shapes of cap to wear as a base for veils over my > short hair, but none of > them are very satisfactory. They always fall off > unless I tie them under my > chin, and while that works, it doesn't look right. > > Gail Finke > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 15:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16145 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:59:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LbSO14780; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:37:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LbJV21612; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:37:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LYTV19936 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:34:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18LZGb22125 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:35:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:33:18 -0600 Status: RO LOL! Talk about a blast from the past. I really enjoyed rereading those. It made me wonder where some of those people are now... Cheers, Danielle At 02:18 AM 2/8/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Following up my own post: > >Naturally, I had to go and look myself. You'll find the discussion in the >archive at in October 1998 >under the subject line "Novel misconceptions". The search for those words >should also bring up my compiled handout under the subject line "Novel >misconceptions, again". There are about 25 posts in all. Happy reading. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16217 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:11:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LnbO16205; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:49:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LnTV28348; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Lk0V26378 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA01610 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202082203.OAA01610@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:03:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Ulrika A. O'Brien" > > >I'm considering making up Folkwear #241 Fifties Fit & Flare [...] > I'm guessing the models must be skinny. I've made this dress > up about three times, though not very recently. My recollection > is that the pattern does *not* run large. I'm a size 20 now and > had to size up the pattern quite a bit to get the dress that fits > me (quite snugly -- no ease to speak of in the bodice) now. I'm > pretty sure I had to size up the pattern some even when I was > still an 18, and that was likewise a snug fit. Yeah, after looking at the photo, I'm not sure the dress on the second model ever _was_ fitted for her. The sleeves are way too long and the dolman sleeve hangs almost like a batwing. The fit is better on the first model, but it looks like she's shorter waisted than the dress is. >It's a very > flattering pattern if you're an X/hourglass body type, though, > and you don't have to do proper grading or redrafting to size > it up. All I did was split the pattern pieces down the middle > along the grain line and add inches in the middle, with tape. Which neckline did you make? I'm afraid the v-neck will slide off my shoulders if I draft it that way. Oh the joys of being full-busted and slope-shouldered. > Two observations: (1) If I were doing it again, I would fully > line the bodice to provide a better finish for the neckline > than that suggested by the pattern and (2) choice of fabric > will be important because even if you're quite busty (I'm a > 40DD) the pattern will tend to have some excess fabric between > the bust and the arm, which bunches a bit. It's a dolman sleeve > so there isn't any place I could figure out to put a dart without > redrafting the whole thing and putting in a sleeve and arm-scye. I'm going to look at the pattern closely. I have a feeling the dolman sleeve needn't be _quite_ as baggy under the arm as they have it. If I'm going to have to expand the bodice anyway, I may take some of the excess out of that sleeve area. Yes, I plan to do a muslin (or maybe two or three) to check my alterations. ;} > With softer or darker fabrics this doesn't look bad, but I'd be > a bit wary of anything that's both light-colored and stiff. Heh. No silk dupioni with this one, yes? I was planning on making the dress up in good old basic black, probably in a jersey or lycra knit (I know it's not period, but cotton lycra isn't near as annoying to work with as jersey). If I really like the dress, I may eventually make a second one out of a soft wool. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:14:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16223 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18LqAO16547; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Lq2V29630; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18LmeV27858 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:48:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.92]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020208214846.TTXB12283.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:48:46 -0600 Message-ID: <3C64477B.3080203@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <002201c1b0da$ff74fa60$a5a7fea9@jchancey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:47:39 -0600 Status: RO When did the "repeat" decrease in size for fabric? I remember reading somewhere that the repeat for one type of "period" fabric was 12 inches or more. Katie Jennie Chancey wrote: >Oh, yes, Danielle! That fabric is dead-on for the Regency. In fact, I like >it so much, I am ordering some myself! Wheee! It is hard to find Turkey reds >like that one with a small print. > >I love seeing real gowns up close. It really does shake up our ideas of what >colors were used then. I'll never forget going to the V&A in London when I >was 16 and standing slack-jawed in front of a 1790s day dress of violent red >with a golden floral pattern screaming all over it. WOW!!! > >Cheers, >Jennie > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns >http://www.sensibility.com >winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:32:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16327 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:32:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18MADO18572; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MA2V10045; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18M6lV08315 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from netdefender.com (unverified [63.220.97.2]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:48:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3C644BF2.4D08EE03@netdefender.com> From: Jen Organization: NetDefender, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Was Re: [h-cost] Faux 1920s dress. now G Street's website References: <123.b70b97b.2995999e@aol.com> <00a401c1b0e7$5b09fe00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jen@netdefender.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:06:42 -0500 Status: RO Actually, I was in their Centreville, VA store the other day, and happened to run into the manager on duty. I asked her why they shut down the website and she said she was told that they decided it wasn't doing enough business to keep it open. I was surprised to hear this, since everything I'd heard on this list and others was positive, and told her so. She said in her opinion, they didn't give it enough of a chance, since it was up for less than a year. Additionally, I also found out that the new store at Potomac Mills (in the old IKEA location) won't be open till June-ish and won't offer classes, at least at first. --jen Penny Ladnier wrote: > I wonder why they stopped their website. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16349 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:35:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18MDCO18825; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MD3V11578; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MADV10135 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:10:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZJDo-0000Zn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:10:20 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bodice ties-Lucet Cords Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:04:02 -0700 Status: RO Lucet cords work really well. They are incredibly strong and have nice body to them. And the method goes way back!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:49:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16433 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:49:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18MRBO20210; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MR3V18974; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MOMV17571 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A004170041E; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:24:04 -0600 Message-ID: <00e401c1b0ef$34f79e40$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:23:17 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, I went searching on the archives the other day. I really enjoyed reading the 1995 archives. LOL!!! I found Drea's full name on one of them. I see a lot of the old-timers on other email lists, like Vintage and h-needlework. When I first started on h-costume in 95 there were not many lists about costume of any type. I think Vintage and maybe Fantasy lists might have been around. But I remember joining h-costume first. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 16:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16445 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18MRbO20269; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:27:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MRTV19207; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:27:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MNnV17256 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:23:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18MOZb10169 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:24:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208160759.00a4f6a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? In-Reply-To: <002201c1b0da$ff74fa60$a5a7fea9@jchancey> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:18:04 -0600 Status: RO Thanks Jennie! I think I'm finally getting the hang of it. : ) I think I'm going to order some, I just hope it turns out to be a red I can wear... BTW, can you recommend a good book which deals with Regency era textiles & their patterns? This is really something I want to know more about... Cheers, Danielle At 02:58 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, yes, Danielle! That fabric is dead-on for the Regency. In fact, I like >it so much, I am ordering some myself! Wheee! It is hard to find Turkey reds >like that one with a small print. > >I love seeing real gowns up close. It really does shake up our ideas of what >colors were used then. I'll never forget going to the V&A in London when I >was 16 and standing slack-jawed in front of a 1790s day dress of violent red >with a golden floral pattern screaming all over it. WOW!!! > >Cheers, >Jennie > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns >http://www.sensibility.com >winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:16:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16601 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:16:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18MsmO22762; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:54:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MsdV03188; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MpUV01599 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18MqHb19731 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:52:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208164947.00a57090@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bodice ties-Lucet Cords In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:52:20 -0600 Status: RO Speaking of lucet cords... I was recently looking at the York Coppergate book on textile tools, and in it Ms Rogers mentions the fact that there were "u" shaped bone objects found that many people think are lucets but there aren't any wear patterns on them that would be consistent with lucet usage, therefore doubting that they were used in that fashion. Does anyone know of actual extant lucet cords or lucets with the correct wear patterns on them? Cheers, Danielle At 03:04 PM 2/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Lucet cords work really well. They are incredibly strong and have nice body >to them. And the method goes way back!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16605 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:16:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18Mt6O22814; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MswV03362; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:54:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18MpUV01600 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:51:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g18MqHb19735 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:52:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <00e401c1b0ef$34f79e40$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:55:55 -0600 Status: RO LOL! You're right! I couldn't resist going and looking. Drea, now I know your full name... Tee hee... I'm finding it really interesting to go back and have a look at old discussions. It would be interesting to chart how peoples opinions changed over time... Cheers, Danielle At 05:23 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Danielle, > >I went searching on the archives the other day. I really enjoyed reading >the 1995 archives. LOL!!! I found Drea's full name on one of them. > >I see a lot of the old-timers on other email lists, like Vintage and >h-needlework. When I first started on h-costume in 95 there were not many >lists about costume of any type. I think Vintage and maybe Fantasy lists >might have been around. But I remember joining h-costume first. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16734 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NDqO24843; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NDhV13579; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UM8pe09239 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:08:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from gebofact ([63.192.133.10]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GQR009MFUUSKJ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Boo Too Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Long hair In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:06:54 -0800 Status: RO Oh, by the Gods, I get the very same thing from my mother. I'm 55 and will no longer cut my hair because I promised whatever Gods may be that if they would just let it grow after all of the operations and drugs (unfortunately legal) that had burned it to a crisp I would not cut it except to trim it occasionally. My mother is a very prim southern lady who wears her hair very short and will not dye or 'whiten' it. As luck would have it she is one of those fortunate few that has lovely white hair anyway. I get around the issue by french braiding my hair and tucking the end back up into the braid. Now its so long that I can't do that well anymore, so I use a cloth device that rolls the hair up and when the ends are brought together and twisted forms a bun. Then I usually put a net over that to hold everything in place. I sheepishly admit that I have, dispite my best efforts at resistance, (I too am an old hippy, from San Francisco no less) come to believe that I am simply not groomed unless my hair is up and out of the way. On those rare occasions that I do wear it down, (usually my authritis hurts too much to mess with it) I get some strange comments. The strangest thing is that it has not yet really begun to turn gray so I don't have any weird change lines. Just a few very narrow streaks that run all the way through my hair. I don't understand this as all of my friends are now completely gray and younger than I. It's actually embarrasing. R -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:11 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair >That one's still around... My mom gets quite bent out of shape if I wear my >hair down, because, according to her, "a lady above a certain age" (about >16, I think) should either cut her hair short (shorter than shoulder >length) or wear it up. I've got hair to the middle of my back, and wear it >any number of ways -- usually braided or clipped back in a barette, but >sometimes in a chignon. She was born in 1944, and had her debut when she >was 16, in Birmingham AL, so... I was born in 1949, and I remember that even in California. I think it's Medieval, except the part about cutting it short. These days it seems to be more OK for women to wear their hair down, and I see some pretty long grey hair walking around on women older than I am. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16742 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NDwO24871; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NDnV13639; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V3Rfe28628 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:27:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from wernto (we-24-126-237-13.we.mediaone.net [24.126.237.13]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0V3Q7H07169 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:26:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000701c1aa07$37c69a20$0ded7e18@wernto> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Vintage Vogue looking for patterns Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:27:31 -0800 Status: RO Vogue is looking for pattern submissions for its Vintage Vogue line (send them a photocopy of any old Vogue patterns that you have; if you win, you get five free Vogue patterns): http://www.voguepatterns.com/vpm/vintage/vintagem.html - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16746 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NE5O24904; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NDtV13696; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.usadatanet.net (mail.usadatanet.net [208.48.41.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0VE2de06320 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:02:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from lola.usadatanet.net (unverified [209.123.234.51]) by mail.usadatanet.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.0.194) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:57:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020131080621.00a92ec0@pop.crosswinds.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.usadatanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Victoria Wickens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_126168684==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Phoenix Gown Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:27:10 -0500 Status: RO --=====================_126168684==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi all! A friend of mine is going to be doing a completely hand-sewn reproduction of Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix Gown. Anyone out there got any info on the embroidery stitches needed to do the gold leaves? And how would anyone go about designing the blackwork on the partlet? Any tips and hints I can pass along? Thanks! Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.net Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_126168684==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi all!

A friend of mine is going to be doing a completely hand-sewn reproduction of Queen Elizabeth's Phoenix Gown.  Anyone out there got any info on the embroidery stitches needed to do the gold leaves?  And how would anyone go about designing the blackwork on the partlet?  Any tips and hints I can pass along?

Thanks!

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.net
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 --=====================_126168684==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:36:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16750 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:36:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NEDO24932; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NE5V13785; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from dci.doncaster.on.ca (dci.doncaster.on.ca [216.187.106.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g14DYMA18681 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:34:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from tanqueray.infotrope.net (ip100.ott.dsl.istop.com [216.187.106.100]) by dci.doncaster.on.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g14DYeHt028062 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:34:41 -0500 Received: from skud by tanqueray.infotrope.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16XjGa-00058Y-00 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:34:40 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Weekend projects (was: Re: [h-cost] Re: seriously OT British) In-Reply-To: References: <3C5AF7A3.2070209@tds.net> Message-Id: From: Kirrily Robert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:34:40 -0500 Status: RO I'm working on a trial-run of Mrs Pemberton's gown, from the Holbein miniature of the same name. I'm making it from an inoffensive dark plum-coloured cotton jacquard/brocade/??? (it's single-tone). I'm experimenting with how the sleeves and skirt work, in particular. I'm still trying to find the perfect fabric for the eventual gown. Perhaps my upcoming shopping trip to Toronto will help. K. -- Lady Katherine Rowberd (mka Kirrily "Skud" Robert) katherine@infotrope.net http://infotrope.net/sca/ Caldrithig, Skraeling Althing, Ealdormere "The rose is red, the leaves are grene, God save Elizabeth our Queene" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:36:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16755 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:36:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NDEO24767; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18ND3V13286; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0UL35e00865 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.232.54.182] by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GQR00AI5RT5XD@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: Boo Too Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: veils and crowns In-reply-to: To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:04:48 -0800 Status: RO I making various crowns and other metal type head pieces. Right now I am looking for a good view of a head piece shown on Greek statuary and bas-reliefs called, I believe, a key crown. It looks very modern really and has rectangular pieces laid one over the other to form a sort of fence around the head. It also sits above the brow rather than on it. Does any of this make any sense? Where should I start researching this? Also where is a good source for crowns and other metal headwear? If I were to go into the business of making this type of headwear what would be the most useful for SCA folks? Thanks, I love this resource even if it does dump more mail than I can sometimes read along with all the other lists that I am on. R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:39:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16791 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:39:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NHEO25212; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NH5V15236; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g14DmtA22435 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:48:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002020408491123860 ; Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:49:11 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Grace Morris To: , , Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3095657346_15915689" Subject: [h-cost] XVth c. site Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 08:49:05 -0500 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. 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Jessamyn --B_3095657346_15915689-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:39:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16795 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:39:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NHOO25233; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NHGV15344; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g186RCV08806 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from wernto (we-24-130-169-157.we.mediaone.net [24.130.169.157]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g186PVm17984 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:25:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:27:02 -0800 Status: RO I've finally gotten around to updating my website, and finally have some relatively recent finished object photos up! The first is an attempt to copy a dress from Nancy Bradfield's Costume in Detail (which doesn't look too great on my dress form, but oh well): http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/regency_1823.html The second is a reworking that I did of my mid-1880's bustle ballgown (scroll down to see the revamped version): http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/1880.html - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:39:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16799 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:39:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NHUO25262; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NHMV15406; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18IwKV26209 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:58:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.232.54.116] by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GR800HUXA1AUZ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:58:23 -0800 (PST) From: Boo Too Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-reply-to: <3C64CB8C.28694259@bigpond.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:00:07 -0800 Status: RO There was a great PBS thing on the history of...either women's or just general underwear from the beginning to current fashion. Also a book on the history of underwear though the title eludes me currently. Something like "A History of Underwear" or something equally catchey. R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:39:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16803 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:39:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NHZO25282; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NHRV15455; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:17:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (inet-mail3.oracle.com [148.87.2.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18KdDV18815 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g18KdJJ06052 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from azay.oracle.com (digitalinfo.us.oracle.com [130.35.152.124]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g18KdIf22959; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:39:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20020208123341.00a710e0@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: sally.norton@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Sally Norton Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:39:17 -0800 Status: RO At 01:57 PM 2/8/02 -0600, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >Greetings, > >http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/tradition.html I must admit my >concept of the fabrics got shaken up a bit. : ) Yes, this fabric will work. You might enjoy looking at this book: A Lady of Fashion, Barabara Johnson's Album of Styles and Fabrics, edited by Natalie Rothstein, Thames & Hudson Pub., NY, 1987. It's a wonderful, big book with photos of fabric swatches. The colors and variety will amaze you. Sally Norton _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16877 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:53:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NWCO26376; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:32:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NW2V21704; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NRxV20094 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AEED2C04BE; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:27:41 -0600 Message-ID: <014301c1b0f8$1876c760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:26:54 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, I actually printed out every message of a topic from all the years... that pesky right and left side buttonhole question that historically pops up every other year in the archives. I compiled all the answers and put them in a folder. When it comes up for FAQ, I have the answer for them. It was great to have the availability to search the archives and read all the discussions over time. It really helps to make a good decision. FYI, Drea is a nickname! No one tell, make them learn to use the archives to see what it is. <<>> Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 17:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16915 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NZBO26632; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:35:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NZ2V22949; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NVqV21602 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:31:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFD6C90416; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:31:34 -0600 Message-ID: <014f01c1b0f8$a31317c0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:30:47 -0500 Status: RO Kendra, I love both of them. Your bustle cage looks GREAT! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 18:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17221 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:16:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g18NtAO28254; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18Nt2V02145; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g18NpnV00764 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:51:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p244.directcon.net [209.233.107.244]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15438; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:51:48 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020208154938.007a4820@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <014301c1b0f8$1876c760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:49:38 -0800 Status: RO Yikes! I vaguely remembered posting on this subject, sao I went looking for it by searching on my name. I was astonished to discover that there were 1358 postings from me or mentioning me, since I joined the list in mid '96. I think I should shut up and let someone else talk, and maybe get some more useful work done. Just for fun, I searched for a few of our other talkative members. Of my random sampling, Penny came in second, with 986 postings. Drea and Danielle were both in the 600's, and Fran had 578. Anyone else want to cite their numbers? Margo (vowing to quiet down a bit) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 18:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17270 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:28:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1906GO29267; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19062V06807; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g19014V04814 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:01:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 11869 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2002 00:01:10 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Feb 2002 00:01:10 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d33.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.33]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g19019I03702 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:01:09 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C646728.C3348306@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Review of Rescontruction Era Fashions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:02:48 -0800 Status: RO If anyone has been dying to see a review of our title _Reconstruction Era Fashions 350 Sewing, Needlework and Millinery Patterns 1867-1868_, there is currently one on the website of _Today's Librarian_: http://www.todayslibrarian.com/articles/211short.html It's below the "seniors" book reviews; the most efficient way to find it is to search for a keyword such as "reconstruction" on the page. We have several copies of the bound galleys for sale at a discount. These are identical to the finished books, content, paper and all, except there is no printing on the covers. They are in new condition. They are listed (well one is, but they are all alike) on the "links" page of our web site: http://www.lavoltapress.com Fran Grimble _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 18:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17589 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g190Z7O01735; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190O3V13050; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190LcV12274 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:21:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.189.99.56] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with ESMTP id 7947628 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:28:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> References: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:21:44 -0500 Status: RO Wow! Those are just wonderful! -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 18:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17594 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:57:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g190ZLO01960; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190LFV12130; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:21:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190GjV10439 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:16:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g190HWb20348 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:17:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208181603.02cb5420@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <014301c1b0f8$1876c760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:17:22 -0600 Status: RO Great idea Penny. A good way to compile things for FAQs. I knew Drea was a nickname I just hadn't known her middle name... ; ) It's rather scary to see how many times I've posted... Cheers, Danielle At 06:26 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Danielle, > >I actually printed out every message of a topic from all the years... that >pesky right and left side buttonhole question that historically pops up >every other year in the archives. I compiled all the answers and put them >in a folder. When it comes up for FAQ, I have the answer for them. It was >great to have the availability to search the archives and read all the >discussions over time. It really helps to make a good decision. > >FYI, Drea is a nickname! No one tell, make them learn to use the archives >to see what it is. <<>> > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 18:57:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17599 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:57:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g190ZPO02002; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190I2V10941; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190D0V09089 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpzTg2dY+enPzKiAPTDfu0aDNQGRiE0bkA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GS6STFCX; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:12:42 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives Message-ID: <20020208.181517.-176617.4.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,6-8 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:15:17 -0600 Status: RO Okay, I'll 'fess up. I did a search on Seamstrix and came up with 519. I think that puts me somewhere in the middle.....hopefully......(sheepish grin) Of course I did a search for Teddy, as he will probably not see this until Monday, and found that the little chatterbox has 853 messages in the archive. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 18:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17603 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g190ZQO02005; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190LAV12079; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190IxV11345 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:18:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id QAA24374 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:19:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020208155757.01b689e8@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern In-Reply-To: <200202082203.OAA01610@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:20:32 -0800 Status: RO At 02:03 PM 2/8/2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: >"Ulrika A. O'Brien" > > > > >I'm considering making up Folkwear #241 Fifties Fit & Flare >[...] > > I'm guessing the models must be skinny. I've made this dress > > up about three times, though not very recently. My recollection > > is that the pattern does *not* run large. I'm a size 20 now and > > had to size up the pattern quite a bit to get the dress that fits > > me (quite snugly -- no ease to speak of in the bodice) now. I'm > > pretty sure I had to size up the pattern some even when I was > > still an 18, and that was likewise a snug fit. > >Yeah, after looking at the photo, I'm not sure the dress on the >second model ever _was_ fitted for her. The sleeves are way too >long and the dolman sleeve hangs almost like a batwing. The fit >is better on the first model, but it looks like she's shorter >waisted than the dress is. Where did you find photos, by the bye? I've never seen anything but the usual black & white line drawing. The pattern does tend to be perhaps a bit long-waisted (suits me) so I've had to shorten the bodice when making it up for a friend of mine, who's very short waisted. > >It's a very > > flattering pattern if you're an X/hourglass body type, though, > > and you don't have to do proper grading or redrafting to size > > it up. All I did was split the pattern pieces down the middle > > along the grain line and add inches in the middle, with tape. > >Which neckline did you make? I'm afraid the v-neck will slide >off my shoulders if I draft it that way. Oh the joys of being >full-busted and slope-shouldered. I've only made it as a v-neck, though I've thought about making it up with the round neck for daytime. The vee does extend pretty far out, but since I'm a broad-shouldered lass, it's never been a problem (unlike airline seats) for me. Definitely worth playing with on the muslin. >Heh. No silk dupioni with this one, yes? In particular, no off-white silk dupioni for a wedding dress, no. The pattern works great on the same lady in a dark taffeta (!) but in white we really had to re-draft the bodice completely to get rid of that fullness. >I was planning on making >the dress up in good old basic black, probably in a jersey or lycra >knit (I know it's not period, but cotton lycra isn't near as annoying >to work with as jersey). If I really like the dress, I may eventually >make a second one out of a soft wool. The one I wear now is a black cotton velveteen, which suits it very well. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 19:07:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17725 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:07:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g190kBO02720; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:46:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190k2V20260; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190foV18885 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:41:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8FB1220416; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:10:35 -0600 Message-ID: <018601c1b0fe$16684b00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <3.0.6.32.20020208154938.007a4820@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:09:48 -0500 Status: RO Margo... <<>> You are the Queen of H-costume!!! Boy, I am glad someone talks more than me. RL Shep used to be very talkative. Don't know what happened to him. I learned so much from him. How many did he have? Kelly Rinne talks a lot too. <<>> Do we get h-costume frequent flyer miles? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 19:22:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17946 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:22:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1910AO03591; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:00:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19102V24748; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g190v9V23886 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:57:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.28.21e32133 (4584) for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <28.21e32133.2995cddd@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_28.21e32133.2995cddd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:57:01 EST Status: RO --part1_28.21e32133.2995cddd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/2002 5:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@mediaone.net writes: > can you > recommend a good book which deals with Regency era textiles & their > patterns? This is really something I want to know more about... > > Such a book doesn't really exist, yet. Barbara Johnson's Album of Textiles has some prints from the period. Jeremy Adamson's Calico and Chintz covers this period but is primarily home furnishings fabrics. Costume historian Susan Greene is working on a book. I'm also waiting for someone to reproduce the swatch pages from Ackermann's Repository. These had both clothing and furnishings fabrics. Unfortunately, microfilm doesn't show the color. And, to the best of my knowledge, only a couple of libraries have the original volumes. It is indeed frustrating. I see so many prints that just are not right used for this period. My advice is, unless you are sure the print is right, use a solid. But, yes, your red sample does look good and the price is right. Ann Wass --part1_28.21e32133.2995cddd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/2002 5:28:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@mediaone.net writes:


can you
recommend a good book which deals with Regency era textiles & their
patterns?  This is really something I want to know more about...



Such a book doesn't really exist, yet.  Barbara Johnson's Album of Textiles has some prints from the period.  Jeremy Adamson's Calico and Chintz covers this period but is primarily home furnishings fabrics.
Costume historian Susan Greene is working on a book.
I'm also waiting for someone to reproduce the swatch pages from Ackermann's Repository.  These had both clothing and furnishings fabrics.  Unfortunately, microfilm doesn't show the color.  And, to the best of my knowledge, only a couple of libraries have the original volumes.

It is indeed frustrating.  I see so many prints that just are not right used for this period.  My advice is, unless you are sure the print is right, use a solid.  But, yes, your red sample does look good and the price is right.

Ann Wass --part1_28.21e32133.2995cddd_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 20:27:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18867 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:27:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1925GO06543; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:05:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19252V12027; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1921pV11262 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p106.directcon.net [209.79.209.155]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03577; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:01:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020208175938.007b2260@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <018601c1b0fe$16684b00$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <3.0.6.32.20020208154938.007a4820@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:59:38 -0800 Status: RO At 07:09 PM 02/08/2002 -0500, Penny Ladnier wrote: >Margo... <<>> You are the Queen of H-costume!!! Whoops...no I'm not! The current winner is....Maggiros, with 1389 posts to my 1358! And it's not true that she and I are the same person, either. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 20:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19103 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:45:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g192OBO07358; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192O2V16525; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192JRV15560 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m50.in-tch.com [216.166.191.50]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g19283T05046 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:08:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C64884A.A5AF45CC@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... References: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:24:10 -0700 Status: RO They all loo bee-ootiful. Dang....now 19th c. stuff looks fun --Sue (adding another century to her closet) Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > > I've finally gotten around to updating my website, and finally have some > relatively recent finished object photos up! > > The first is an attempt to copy a dress from Nancy Bradfield's Costume in > Detail (which doesn't look too great on my dress form, but oh well): > http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/regency_1823.html > > The second is a reworking that I did of my mid-1880's bustle ballgown > (scroll down to see the revamped version): > http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/1880.html > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:01:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19333 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:01:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g192dKO08131; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:39:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192dBV20074; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192ZQV19259 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.34] (as3-4-58.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.44]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g192ZU322462 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:35:30 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3540EE84526@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <3540EE84526@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:05:16 -0800 Status: RO At 9:02 AM +0000 2/8/02, Teddy wrote: >Hello H-costumers, > >In a recent e-discussion with a non-h-costumer, I was sent the >following information about pictures showing pre 16th women's >knickers..... The first one isn't clear, but could show a woman if the >markings on the chest are meant to be breasts, the second one is >pretty clear. The others I haven't actually seen the pictures reffered >to. > >Any comments about these references and what they show? A friend ran across these same references and asked me about them some time ago. Below I quote what I responded to her at the time. >*************************************** > >> That's why I am on a quest to find as much evidence of women's >> underware as possible. This is what I have found so far: >> >> http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/pictures/Alexander/non-ten >> ts/ Brun ehilda%20drawers%20(RA%2042v).jpg >> >> It puts the underware back to 14th century. >> >> http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Mujeres/Imagenes/Semiramis.html >> >> An illustration for Semiramis, from a Spanish 1494 edition of >> Boccaccio's De Claris Mulieribus. >> Very interesting. The Brunehilda garment looks exactly like the loose male braies common at the time. Usually women being martyred are shown either completely naked or with just a draped cloth over the crotch. She wasn't, by any chance, one of the cross-dressing saints? (I'll have to double-check on that.) If one were looking for reasons to be skeptical, one could also speculate that the artist may simply have had a stock figure of a male martyr in his copybook and modified it only to the point of adding an indication of breasts. The Semiramis figure has the disadvantage of being "fictional" -- it would be interesting to look at other illustrations from the book and see to what extent they are wearing "normal" styles for 15th c. Spain, or whether they are portrayed in "exotic" clothing. (It's hard to tell in this picture -- they all seem to be wearing the equivalent of bathrobes over their underpants, so I'm not sure what to compare it with.) The Semiramis picture is similar in style to a German "bathing" scene that I've been interpreting as having a woman with bikini-style underpants, but about which I've recently been having doubts (on the gender of the figure). > > There is also a picture in a clothing history book showing a woman >> wearing the bikini type panties. The book, unfortunately, doesn't >> say which manuscript this particular picture is from. It might be >> from the Bible of Wenceslas IV. Unless it is a forgery, it is >> pre-16th century. I wonder if this is a reference to the German picture I mentioned above? (The picture I mention appears in "A Pictorial Encyclopedia of Fashion" by Ludmila Kybalova et al.) I had originally intepreted the bikini-pant-wearing figure as female, since it is a bathing scene with otherwise clearly female figures. However the artistic style involves a fairly subtle indication of breasts, and on closer examination the hair style of the figure leans more towards masculine, so I've decided to reserve judgement on whether it is an underpant-wearing woman until I can discover more about the context of the original. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:03:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19366 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:03:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g192gAO08261; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192g1V20683; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192dNV20154 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:39:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m50.in-tch.com [216.166.191.50]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g192RxT09948 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:27:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C648CF6.DAE69D80@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <014301c1b0f8$1876c760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:44:06 -0700 Status: RO I always figured it was....and now I know her middle name too, bwahahahhahahahahahah........ --Sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > FYI, Drea is a nickname! No one tell, make them learn to use the archives > to see what it is. <<>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:08:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19409 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:08:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g192jDO08429; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:45:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192j4V21435; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192f7V20470 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:41:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m50.in-tch.com [216.166.191.50]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g192TcT10286 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:29:38 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C648D59.33235059@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <3.0.6.32.20020208154938.007a4820@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:45:45 -0700 Status: RO I've *only* got 372, but then, I've only been on the list a little less than two years.... --Sue Margo Anderson wrote: > > Yikes! I vaguely remembered posting on this subject, sao I went looking > for it by searching on my name. I was astonished to discover that there > were 1358 postings from me or mentioning me, since I joined the list in mid > '96. I think I should shut up and let someone else talk, and maybe get > some more useful work done. > > Just for fun, I searched for a few of our other talkative members. Of my > random sampling, Penny came in second, with 986 postings. Drea and > Danielle were both in the 600's, and Fran had 578. Anyone else want to > cite their numbers? > > Margo > (vowing to quiet down a bit) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:18:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19455 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:18:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g192vCO08952; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:57:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192v2V24344; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g192q5V23206 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19119 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:08:48 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <3C648D59.33235059@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:08:48 -0600 (CST) Status: RO 554. Of which this must be the shortest ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:34:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19753 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:34:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g193CCO09607; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:12:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193C2V28257; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1939cV27799 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:09:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1939kaV011499 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p20.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.148]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA16811 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:09:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202090309.WAA16811@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern In-Reply-To: <200202080917.BAA26584@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:10:09 -0500 Status: RO At 01:17 AM 02/08/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > >I'm considering making up Folkwear #241 Fifties Fit & Flare >Has anyone here tried that pattern yet? After my fiasco with the >Butterick Retro pattern, I decided I'd try something that was drafted >for a modern figure. (snip) Afraid I haven't, Lee -- but what was the problem with the Butterick Retro pattern? I've got a friend who has bought a bunch of these, and is thinking of making them up. She always does muslins, tho... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:36:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19803 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:36:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g193FBO09785; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193F2V29030; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193CFV28319 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g193COaV011823 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p20.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.148]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA17029 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:12:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202090312.WAA17029@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives In-Reply-To: <017f01c1b088$c2b57fc0$80604e40@suscom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:12:47 -0500 Status: RO At 04:09 AM 02/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: >(snip) I don't personally know anyone with tawny >golden eyes. > >Dianne I had an art teacher in high school who did... she had auburn hair, very pale skin, and eyes that were golden brown. Quite striking. - Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 21:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20053 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:51:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g193UCO10283; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:30:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193U3V02527; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193RwV02054 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E6B10FDCC for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ip128.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.128]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D56BD3A8002 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:29:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00e201c1b122$b4127f00$80604e40@suscom.net> From: "Greg & Dianne Stucki" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:31:55 -0600 Status: RO hee hee hee...my next door neighbor's little girls has the same first and middle name...except she spells Drea with an I---Dria. My middle name is Carrol--with two R's. NO ONE ever spells it right. They also insist that Dianne should have only one N. Dianne (2 N's, please) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives > LOL! You're right! I couldn't resist going and looking. Drea, now I know > your full name... Tee hee... > > I'm finding it really interesting to go back and have a look at old > discussions. It would be interesting to chart how peoples opinions changed > over time... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 05:23 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Danielle, > > > >I went searching on the archives the other day. I really enjoyed reading > >the 1995 archives. LOL!!! I found Drea's full name on one of them. > > > >I see a lot of the old-timers on other email lists, like Vintage and > >h-needlework. When I first started on h-costume in 95 there were not many > >lists about costume of any type. I think Vintage and maybe Fantasy lists > >might have been around. But I remember joining h-costume first. > > > >Penny Ladnier > >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > >http://www.costumegallery.com > >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 8 22:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20172 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:25:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1943HO11573; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19432V09873; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193xUV09077 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:59:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g193xdaV016151 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p20.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.148]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA20080 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:59:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202090359.WAA20080@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bodice ties-Lucet Cords In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208164947.00a57090@pop.mn.mediaone.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:00:01 -0500 Status: RO Maybe the users chucked them out from sheer frustration before they had a chance to get the wear patterns... (I've got one, and use it, and it _does_ have wear patterns. Took me a while to get the hang of the tension thing, tho.) -- Mara At 04:52 PM 02/08/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Speaking of lucet cords... I was recently looking at the York Coppergate >book on textile tools, and in it Ms Rogers mentions the fact that there >were "u" shaped bone objects found that many people think are lucets but >there aren't any wear patterns on them that would be consistent with lucet >usage, therefore doubting that they were used in that fashion. Does anyone >know of actual extant lucet cords or lucets with the correct wear patterns >on them? > >Cheers, >Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:00:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20632 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g195dBO14681; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195d1V00587; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195ajV00104 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA03481 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202090554.VAA03481@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:54:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" > > Where did you find photos, by the bye? I've never seen anything > but the usual black & white line drawing. The pattern does tend > to be perhaps a bit long-waisted (suits me) so I've had to shorten > the bodice when making it up for a friend of mine, who's very > short waisted. There's a seperate sheet included in the pattern package with knitting instructions for the stole. _That_ has the photo on it. The models aren't wearing any real foundation pieces, nor petticoats, which makes the dress hang like some of the late 1980s dresses I still have in my closet. ;} I think the effect would be less pronounced if the dresses had actually been fitted for the models. The poor women are just swimming in them. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20684 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g195rEO15273; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:53:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195r5V03515; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195ohV03082 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:50:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id WAA03567 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202090608.WAA03567@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Mara Riley wrote: > > Afraid I haven't, Lee -- but what was the problem with the Butterick Retro > pattern? I've got a friend who has bought a bunch of these, and is thinking > of making them up. She always does muslins, tho... It was doing the muslin for the particular Butterick Retro dress that convinced me to try something that was easier to alter. No one but Vogue has out a _simple_ 50s dress pattern right now, and I _always_ have to redraft Vogue patterns to accomodate my bust. Anyway, the Butterick ones seem to assume a corsetted waist, which I found annoying. Going by the measurements on the pattern envelope, I didn't expect to have 2-1/2 inches of gap at the waist. And the bust fit kinda funny with my regular bra. I have a feeling if I had fitted it over a bullet bra, it would've been okay. I have a feeling once I've got the bodice fitted, the rest of the dress will go quick. After that, I'll be doing the Paris Promenade dress which is more forgiving. After looking at the photo on the GBACG pattern review, I know exactly why her dress doesn't look like the package. She's wearing the sash _over_ the front bib, rather than looped under it. The sash has to go under the front piece, or it won't hang straight. It's the same mistake I made when I first read the pattern instructions. Anyway, I'm doing the overdress/bib in black silk dupioni and plan to hit the sari shops in Berkeley to find the right patterned black silk for the underdress. I expect it to go pretty quick once I can afford to buy the rest of the fabric. ;} Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20704 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:20:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g195xBO15495; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:59:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195x2V04733; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195tAV03924 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9AF168053C; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:54:55 -0600 Message-ID: <002e01c1b12e$2ff23920$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <3.0.6.32.20020208154938.007a4820@pop.directcon.net> <3.0.6.32.20020208175938.007b2260@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:54:06 -0500 Status: RO MaggiRos, How long have you been on h-costume? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20711 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:23:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1962DO15681; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:02:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19623V05507; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g195wCV04577 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:58:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA6513A04DE; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:57:57 -0600 Message-ID: <003501c1b12e$9c5f7c80$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> <3C64884A.A5AF45CC@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:57:08 -0500 Status: RO Sue, Go take the bustle skirt construction class that starts on the 25th. We don't want one of you to miss a time period in your wardrobe. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... > They all loo bee-ootiful. Dang....now 19th c. stuff looks fun > --Sue (adding another century to her closet) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20718 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:26:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1965CO15791; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:05:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19653V06325; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:05:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1960hV05268 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:00:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AAFB2AD0420; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:00:27 -0600 Message-ID: <003e01c1b12e$f64df280$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <014301c1b0f8$1876c760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3C648CF6.DAE69D80@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:59:39 -0500 Status: RO We are having fun at Drea's expense and she is out of town for the weekend. When she comes back Monday lets address questions to her using her full name. <<>> Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20827 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:40:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g196JCO16216; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:19:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196J1V09085; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196FFV08327 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:15:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g196Fs629252 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:15:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020208111919.00d63930@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 In-Reply-To: <20020208052942.887.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:37:39 -0800 Status: RO > > For lower class I always go with braided string (I do a multi-colour > > four-strand braid). > >Would this apply to shirt collars and cuffs as well? I know they were >tied shut, but what would be an appropriate material? And were >drawstrings used in this period for shirt collars or for breeches >(underpants)? It's what I always do, tho I'm not sure what they did. The book 'Fashion In Detail' has photographs of actual 16th/17th century shirts, and some of the ties might show. (Guess who can't find her copy to just look in and tell you?) And there's a picture of someone, in Davenport's costume book, where I'm sure I'm seeing hooks and eyes at the neck. (Can't find Davenport right now either, but she says it's of an 'un-named English princess'.) I don't know if real drawstrings were used for round shirt-neck-openings, or if the shirt-neck-openings were just made in that shape. And I don't think breeches (upper hose?) were drawstring at all, nor underpants either (yes, some women wore them). But I would use a sewn piece of cloth for such a drawstring instead of anything resembling string, as being stronger. I use cloth drawstrings for 1850's skirts and petticoats, where the tops don't show, and it works just fine. Certainly I wouldn't use something I had to braid. (Middle-Eastern folks use a thin piece of cloth as a drawstring for drawstring trousers-garments. As a gift from a woman, I hear it is a very intimate love token.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 00:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20841 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g196JPO16231; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:19:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196JFV09146; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196FGV08334 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:15:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g196Fu629255 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:15:56 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020208113657.00d64b50@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 2 In-Reply-To: <004d01c1b061$ef549a60$35c982d1@computer> References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <20020208052942.887.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:39:49 -0800 Status: RO >Most of the ties I have seen on shirts seem to be "thread" (sometimes the >same color as the embroidery) that appears to be braided or otherwise made >into thin cord (personally, I've used a simple crochet stitch- I can do it >with my hands and it's dirt simple) Don't you find that crochet cord frays out after a while? I use it for purse strings on crochet purses, but not for anything which has to be tied and untied. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 01:01:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20884 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:01:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g196dMO16692; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196dCV13324; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196abV12922 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:36:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g196bG629702 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:37:16 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020208222530.00ded930@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-Reply-To: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3C64CB8C.28694259@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:27:23 -0800 Status: RO >Ladies' underwear was worn before the 19th century in some places, >evidenced by the diary of Samuel Pepys. In the book 'The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots' it says that drawers appear in her clothing inventory (I don't know what year). She got into the habit, it opines, from Marie de Medici, who was her mother-in-law, I think. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 01:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20888 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:01:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g196dCO16676; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196d3V13269; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196aZV12909 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:36:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g196bF629699 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:37:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020208221857.00e41930@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear pattern - Bolivian milkmaid jacket In-Reply-To: <000501c1b0b5$b8fc5bc0$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:23:10 -0800 Status: RO >I was wondering if the late-period experts could answer/comment on the >following: > >The Folkwear pattern for the 'Bolivian milkmaid jacket' (with gores in the >peplum) has always reminded me of a polychrome embroidered 16th C jacket >with silver gilt lace in the V&A (I believe it is pictured in the G.W. >Digby's book). Are my untutored eyes (and wishful thinking - can't sew much >of anything without a pattern) deceiving me? I actually got to touch a real Bolivian whoever jacket, and I'd say real close. The sleeves were different, and the glass bead decoration was strictly from the 20th century (early or late), but it's a really good place to start. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 01:01:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20892 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:01:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g196dYO16708; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196dOV13376; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g196acV12927 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:36:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-93.frys.com [66.121.20.93]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g196bH629705 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:37:18 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020208223039.00e42ef0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> References: <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:33:17 -0800 Status: RO I'd use it for later rather than earlier. I wouldn't use it for earlier than 1810, because it 'reads' late. I'd stick with white for earlier, for the same reason. (I hate doing unusual-but-actually-period examples, and having to carry the documentation in my pocket to justify what I did.) >So, I was wondering... will this work for Regency? >http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/tradition.html I must admit my >concept of the fabrics got shaken up a bit. : ) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 01:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21144 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:25:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1974DO17352; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19742V18087; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1970oV17527 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-83.gti.net [208.216.115.83]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 9C0521459EE for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 02:00:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C64C945.922B5499@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? References: <28.21e32133.2995cddd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:01:25 -0500 Status: RO I'm not sure if it qualifies for British Regency, but you might check out the book "Textiles for Clothing in the Early Republic, 1800-1850" by by Lynne Z. Bassett. Our (US) Federal overlaps their (Brit) Regency so it should be helpful...and it's got big swatches of facsimile fabric, so you can feel it for yourself. Yay.
It' at Sally Queen Associates.
http://www.sallyqueenassociates.com./
Peace Out,
Deb
can you recommend a good book which deals with Regency era textiles & their patterns?  This is really something I want to know more about...
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 01:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21191 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:42:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g197LCO17836; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:21:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g197L2V21090; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from felicia.usadatanet.net (IDENT:qmailr@dial-66-218-5-61.usadatanet.net [66.218.5.61] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g197HYV20501 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:17:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 884 invoked by uid 500); 9 Feb 2002 07:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20020209072159.883.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> From: jdsmith@usadatanet.net To: h-costume@indra.com In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020208111919.00d63930@mail.frys.com> (message from Carolyn Kayta Barrows on Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:37:39 -0800) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020208111919.00d63930@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 9 Feb 2002 07:21:59 -0000 Status: RO On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:37:39 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows said: > And there's a picture of someone, in Davenport's costume book, where > I'm sure I'm seeing hooks and eyes at the neck. (Can't find > Davenport right now either, but she says it's of an 'un-named > English princess'.) Huh, I was under the impression there were no examples of hooks-and-eyes closing a shirt collar. Cool, I don't feel so inauthentic now. ;-) > And I don't think breeches (upper hose?) were drawstring at all, nor > underpants either (yes, some women wore them). I was actually referring to men's linen drawers, which I *think* there's good documentation for in 16th century. Did they just tie shut, then? -- Jesse Smith | jdsmith@usadatanet.net "I will date the girl from Venus. Flowers die and so will I. Yes, I will kiss the girl from Venus for science." - They Might Be Giants _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 02:13:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12556 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 02:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g197qDO18520; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:52:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g197q2V26804; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f117.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.117]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g197lcV26029 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:47:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:47:42 -0800 Received: from 63.12.14.45 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 07:47:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.45] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bodice ties-Lucet Cords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2002 07:47:42.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DEDC6E0:01C1B13E] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 18:17:42 +1030 Status: RO
What are lucet cords exactly?
Are they anything like "Knitting Nancy" or Tomboy Stitch", done with four nails around a cotton reel?

>Speaking of lucet cords... I was recently looking at the York Coppergate
>book on textile tools, and in it Ms Rogers mentions the fact that there
>were "u" shaped bone objects found that many people think are lucets but
>there aren't any wear patterns on them that would be consistent with lucet
>usage, therefore doubting that they were used in that fashion. Does anyone
>know of actual extant lucet cords or lucets with the correct wear patterns
>on them?

>Cheers,
>Danielle

>At 03:04 PM 2/8/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>>Lucet cords work really well.  They are incredibly strong and have nice body
>>to them.  And the method goes way back!!

Rebecca Anderson
aka
Lady Adele Anders

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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 04:50:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17430 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 04:50:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19ATFO22049; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:29:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19AT3V05308; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:29:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19AQUV04911 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:26:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (unknown [195.241.199.10]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A6F437CEB for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:26:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1B0D7.3BB8AB60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:31:40 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1B0D7.3BB8AB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Briony, You wrote: Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nlGetting back to the topic, = the only archeological evidence for pre-16th women's undies that I know of comes from the Herfjolnes excavation, = where a woman was buried in a sealskin bikini-type construction that was probably a medical device for incontinence. That's the first I've heard of this! Can you name sources? Is it in = Norlund's catalogue? Marc? Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C1B0D7.3BB8AB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Briony,
 
You wrote:
Visit the revised and even more = colourful=20 tScapreel website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch = homepage=20
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nlGetting back to the = topic,=20 the only archeological evidence for pre-16th
women's undies that I = know of=20 comes from the Herfjolnes excavation, where
a woman was buried in a = sealskin bikini-type construction that was
probably a medical = device for=20 incontinence.
 
That's the first I've heard of this! = Can you=20 name sources? Is it in Norlund's catalogue? Marc?
 
 
Henk
 
Visit the revised and even more = colourful=20 tScapreel website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch = homepage=20
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
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To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:42:27 EST Status: RO Lynne's book is great, for TYPES of fabric, but really does not go into depth on the whole issue of prints. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 08:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18027 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:39:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19EIHO27410; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EI2V16450; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EEUV15725 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:14:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g19E9jN04817 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:09:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c1b174$e53a2400$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <00e201c1b122$b4127f00$80604e40@suscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:20:10 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > My middle name is Carrol--with two R's. NO ONE ever spells it right. They > also insist that Dianne should have only one N. I know how that one goes. My maiden name is Carroll. Got even worse when I got married and hyphenated. Now people want to make me Carol Clark, sometimes even after I explain that no, Carroll-Clark is the *last name*. Susan Carroll-Clark (two r's, two l's, and no e--can you tell I do this a lot?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 08:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18044 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:42:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19ELDO27492; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:21:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EL2V16943; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EG9V16102 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:16:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g19EBON05967 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:11:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004801c1b175$2006efa0$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <014301c1b0f8$1876c760$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3C648CF6.DAE69D80@in-tch.com> <003e01c1b12e$f64df280$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:21:48 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > We are having fun at Drea's expense and she is out of town for the weekend. > When she comes back Monday lets address questions to her using her full > name. <<>> I figured it out a long time ago....I mean, her email username IS aleed :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 08:45:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18056 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:45:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19EODO27619; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EO2V17432; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EJxV16762 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:19:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.65]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020209142008.FTGK1628.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:20:08 -0600 Message-ID: <3C652FD6.8010608@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <3.0.6.32.20020208154938.007a4820@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:19:02 -0600 Status: RO Now I know I have more then just 25 posts. Katie Margo Anderson wrote: >Yikes! I vaguely remembered posting on this subject, sao I went looking >for it by searching on my name. I was astonished to discover that there >were 1358 postings from me or mentioning me, since I joined the list in mid >'96. I think I should shut up and let someone else talk, and maybe get >some more useful work done. > >Just for fun, I searched for a few of our other talkative members. Of my >random sampling, Penny came in second, with 986 postings. Drea and >Danielle were both in the 600's, and Fran had 578. Anyone else want to >cite their numbers? > >Margo >(vowing to quiet down a bit) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 08:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18106 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:57:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19EaDO27999; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Ea2V19635; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EV6V18709 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZYX7-0006VF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 06:31:17 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020209072159.883.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:24:57 -0700 Status: RO ">What are lucet cords exactly?" Here is one of many hits on Googel for Lucet Cord-this explains it much better than I could. The resulting cord is so cool! This site even shows two colored and beaded lucet cord! http://www.duke.edu/~scg3/lucet.html Cheers, Saragrace _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 08:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18110 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:58:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19EaQO28011; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:36:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EaEV19697; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:36:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19EV7V18718 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:31:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ZYX8-0006VF-00; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 06:31:18 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1B13A.E161FF40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:24:59 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1B13A.E161FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit XVth c. siteI could not bring anything like this up. Could you provide whole URL please? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Grace Morris Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:49 AM To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com; h-costume@indra.com; costumers@atlantia.sca.org Subject: [h-cost] XVth c. site Here’s an interesting one... Site.voila.fr/costumesXV Jessamyn ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1B13A.E161FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable XVth c. site
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Pasha --part1_11a.bae5f5f.29968d0d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 09:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18302 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:23:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19F2GO28841; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:02:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19F24V24626; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Ex4V24086 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:59:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.65]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020209145915.GODE1628.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:59:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3C653900.8060704@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... References: <3540EE84526@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:58:08 -0600 Status: RO I did a translation of the text page for this image, with Babblefish on Alta Vista and it made no sence whatsoever. Katie >>> http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Mujeres/Imagenes/Semiramis.html >>> >>> An illustration for Semiramis, from a Spanish 1494 edition of >>> Boccaccio's De Claris Mulieribus. >>> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 10:35:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18889 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:34:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19GDFO01644; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:13:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GD2V09188; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GAqV08797 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:10:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21502 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:27:40 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] The Greenland G-string (was:Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:27:40 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Valerie wrote: > Getting back to the topic, the only archeological evidence for > pre-16th women's undies that I know of comes from the Herfjolnes > excavation, where a woman was buried in a sealskin bikini-type > construction that was probably a medical device for incontinence. Henk asked: > That's the first I've heard of this! Can you name sources? Is it in > Norlund's catalogue? Marc? I believe Valerie heard this at my lecture in Boise on the Greenland clothes, so I'll take this question, but Marc knows too. The description of the sealskin g-string appears in the medical section that composes the second half of the Herjolfsnes excavation report. (Norlund's part does not mention it. Norlund has a reputation for being prim about some things, and this may be one of them.) Most people, it seems, see or read only the sections on clothing, but the medical section has some fascinating details, even if the writing is antiquated in style, poorly translated in parts, and reflects 1920s science. The section on diet is quite interesting, as is the discussion of skeleton size. Anyway ... The remnants that apparently were part of a g-string were found on a female skeleton that had some notable deformations. This was individual I, who wore dress #39. In this case, the medical analyst, C.C. Hansen, found that the pelvic problems would very likely cause incontinence. He surmised that the g-string was a sanitary device. Here is his description: "...we may conclude that the woman in question, even if she was not tall, must have been fairly well developed compared with several other individuals from the cemetery at Herjolfsnes (Ikigait) and, apart from the diseased parts, not so degenerated as several of the other individuals. It may perhaps be denoted as a not unlikely possibility that a tuberculous spondylitis was present ... Whether this can have been the cause of death, whether a compression of the lower part of medulla spinalis at the level of the 1st and 2nd lumbar vertebrae may have occurred, or of cauda equina, whether possibly congestion abscesses (without perforation to the hip-joint!) may have formed, are matters for conjecture. In this connection I shall call attention again to the mass of fatty acids found posteriorly in the pelvis. It is a well-known fact that if the nerves and medulla spinalis are involved in the affection, there may sometimes occur symptoms with paralysis of rectum and the bladder (incontinentia alvi et urinae); I mention this latter fact as a feature which hypothetically might perhaps be related to the peculiar finding in the pelvic bones of this woman which will be described in more detail below. For it could be shown that a piece of sealskin had been lying from the front of mons pubis between the femora, passing before genitalia and anus up behind os coccygis to the sacral region, remains of sealskin being found adhering to these places (in addition to human perineal hairs), together with the remnants of a twisted woollen cord (or string) which had evidently been fastened to the sealskin in front on mons pubis and behind in the sacral region. Besides loose hairs of undyed light sheep's wool the remains of fibres of plant substance (hemp?) were also made out. It is an obvious explanation that the woman may have worn a kind of protective bandage before pudenda and anus perhaps to soak up secretions during a possible incontinence. Otherwise we know nothing about a special article of clothing for this region among the women of the time, and the most probable assumption is that, as in the earliest times and the Middle Ages, and indeed even much later, drawers were not worn by most European women either of the higher or the common classes." I think there was a sketch of it, but I may not have copied that, as I can't find it in my notes. In any case, a sketch would not have shown much, as will become apparent in a moment. Hansen goes on, by the way, to conclude that the deformities also made this woman unable to give birth ... but not infertile, meaning that if she got pregnant she would die during delivery. No fetal material was found in her remains, but the general decomposition of the skeleton does not rule out the possibility that there were also fetal bones that did not survive, or that a fetus was removed via cesarean section. But Hansen does not dwell on this as a likely cause of death. He does, however, note that the other best-preserved female pelvis -- that of individual II, who wore dress #38 -- also shows deformities that would preclude childbirth, and posits that if these skeletal problems were so common, a high rate of mother-infant mortality may have contributed to the demise of the colony. In another section, there is a closer analysis of the g-string, as follows: "In this place we shall further give an account of the above-mentioned remarkable find on os pubis and on the back of the sacral region (and os coccygis) of pieces of sealskin to which were fastened remnants of twisted woollen cords. First we must explain that this skeleton Ikigait I, according to Dr. Norlund's information was covered with a sealskin, with which it agrees that in various places seal hairs were found adhering to small pieces of bones of an indefinable kind." Here I will interrupt to add a note that we need to remember the skeletons were not dressed in the clothing found with them; the clothing was wrapped around them, as shrouds, so the layering of material in the finds is not necessarily relevant to the layering of clothing in wear. In the case of skeleton I (find 39), Norlund had written, "[Dress 39] was in an excellent state of preservation while a sealskin which was spread over it was nearly decayed. With the dress was also found a piece of an oxhide or perhaps a goat's skin and also unspun hairs of sheepskin possibly originating from the lining of the dress." He may here be making a glancing reference to the g-string, which he never mentions specifically, or else this is the one good reference I've seen in Norlund that suggests the presence of a now-lost lining in a dress. But back to Hansen's description of the g-string: "On one of the ossa pubis near the symphysis was found a piece of sealskin with thick hairs (microscopically found to be sealhairs) outwardly. Between this layer and an underlying layer of finer hairs (microscopically human pubes hairs) going in another direction and crossing the direction of the sealhairs, there were not found layers of woven cloth, as one would have axpected from numerous other finds on the skeletons from Herjolfsnes (Ikigait), if there had been a woollen dress underneath the sealskin, (which would, however, have been the reverse of the probably general practice, for judging by the dresses and not least by their dimensions compared with the rather small individuals, skins were presumably worn under the neat dresses, gowns and hoods). Instead there was found a couple of rather thick twisted strands of redbrown stained wool (microscopically sheep's wool), looking most like remnants of a thin cord or string and very frail. Under the layer of human pubes hairs there was found a layer of the original human corium in which by microscopy the structure of the interlaced bundles of connective tissue could be plainly recognized with the roots of the pubes hairs still grouped in corium." I will spare you the microscopic analysis of the pubic hairs, which is quite lengthy. He then goes on to say that behind the body, adhering to the back of a bone of the lower spine, was "a piece of sealskin with the hairs on; in this little piece of sealskin were the remains of a little twisted red-brown woollen cord or string with the remains of a strongly twisted knot. As on os pubis this cord was very frail and crumbled easily... When this little piece of sealskin with remnants of a small twisted woollen cord with a knot, has remained quite firmly attached to so small a bone as the 2nd vertebra coccygea, which like the 1st vertebra coccygea was perfectly well-preserved and uninjured, the reason must be as follows: When the body was laid in the grave there must have been lying on the back of os coccygis -- i.e. in the sacral region between clunes -- a strip of sealskin to which was fastened a redbrown woollen cord to keep the sealskin in place, while in front on mons pubis it was also kept in place by a couple of woollen cords which probably pased up to a cord or belt about the hip-region, thus representing a kind of bandage passing from mons pubis between femora down before pudenda and anus and up between nates in the sacral region." >From this I gather that the sealskin find was not by any means whole, but consisted of two fragments -- one on the front, one in the back -- from which clues Hansen conjectured as to its shape, position, and purpose. He adds, "We must assume that even more remained at the exhumation than we now possess, but that most of it decayed or crumbled away before it reached the Museum of Normal Anatomy. Finally fibres of a plant substance (resembling hemp microscopically) were found close by, and in the layer beneath the sealskin on the symphysis were found, besides the human pubes hairs, loose hairs of sheep's wool of a light colour or only slightly pigmented, and lastly, small leaves of moss, this latter perhaps an accidental admixture(?)." He finally repeats his conclusion from the earlier skeletal analysis: "Already above when we entered upon the possible pathologic conditions of the pelvis and kyphosis, we mentioned that this bandage, perhaps with loose wool, (moss?) and hemp linen underneath, may have been a kind of protective bandage for the absorption of secretions due to a morbid condition." There is also a long analysis of the hairs which I will not repeat here. Suffice it to say that the woman had light brown hair on her head and rather fairer pubic hair, and that the species of seal could not be determined. I should point out that although the Greenland bodies were normally undressed for burial, I can see why the people doing this task might not have disturbed this particular article when they were preparing this woman's body. Hope this is of interest. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 11:01:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19439 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:01:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19GdCO02512; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:39:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Gd0V14642; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19GcaV14533 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:38:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g19GRET07738 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:27:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C6551AA.F19E643D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... References: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> <3C64884A.A5AF45CC@in-tch.com> <003501c1b12e$9c5f7c80$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:43:22 -0700 Status: RO No.....noo.......nooooooooooo.......get thee behind me, Penny ......aaaaaaargggggghhhhhhhhhhh..........I'll never be able to keep everything straight......aaaahhhhh.........no, no, mixing things would be *bad*.....ugly visions of early anglo-saxon gowns decorated with bobbin lace, and sack gowns with Elizabethan ruffs and anglo-saxon jewelry....help meeeeee.......... --Sue, whimpering, *sniff*..... Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Sue, > > Go take the bustle skirt construction class that starts on the 25th. We > don't want one of you to miss a time period in your wardrobe. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... > > > They all loo bee-ootiful. Dang....now 19th c. stuff looks fun > > --Sue (adding another century to her closet) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 11:43:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19756 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19HMDO04346; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:22:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19HM0V24072; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19HLUV23963 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.34.234.170]) by femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020209172141.JRVC5468.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: <3C655AF9.8000403@home.com> From: Linda Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Number of postingss...ahem.. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 11:23:05 -0600 Status: RO Margo, you and I joined about the same time. My first posting was in Mar 1996 and I think I lurked for a bit first... I only have a total of 131 postings, under my names.... I thought I had spent too much time posting and not enough working... LOL Feeling much better about my time spent on this list... 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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:40:59 -0800 Status: RO I'm thinking of ordering from cheaptrims.com. Their prices are stunning, but can anyone tell me how their service is? Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 12:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19948 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19HjDO05453; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:45:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Hj1V29743; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Hi4V29507 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:44:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p224.directcon.net [209.233.107.224]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17166; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:44:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020209094059.007be530@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Margo Anderson In-Reply-To: <3C655AF9.8000403@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost: Cheeptrims.com? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:40:59 -0800 Status: RO I'm thinking of ordering from cheaptrims.com. Their prices are stunning, but can anyone tell me how their service is? Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20213 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:04:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19IhEO07937; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:43:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Ih0V13951; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g193Q8V01658 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.da.136dd2d5 (30953); Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:26:09 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Hip Belts lady, Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:26:09 EST Status: RO Finally got thru to the one lone person who could get me her addy, actually I got her son's phone number and got her addy from him. Anyway, Her name is Cynthia Lockwood and her addy is- cjlockwood@tex1.net. She's a real sweet lady and her belts are lovely. She said that a hip belt up to about 50" will run in the $60-$130 range depending on the plaque to chain ratio, more plaques=higher cost. Fewer plaques=lower cost. Tell her where or who you got the info from. In Service, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:09:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20229 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:09:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19ImGO08179; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:48:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Im3V15301; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net ([24.130.1.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19H3jV19883 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:03:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from duck (we-24-130-169-157.we.mediaone.net [24.130.169.157]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19H2DI17106 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:02:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009101c1b18b$c0adca30$9da98218@duck> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:03:44 -0800 Status: RO Okay, I know the difference between modern muslin/cotton and Regency muslin/cotton has been discussed on the list before. What I haven't been able to figure out, tho, is what is a good modern approximation of Regency muslins/cottons? I know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work? - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20266 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:23:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19J29O09045; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19J1vV18621; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:01:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Iw1V17702 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.205]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020209185812.ZKGM25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:58:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3C65711F.7050405@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... References: <001401c1b069$9f48fd60$9da98218@wernto> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:57:35 +0100 Status: RO Dear Kendra. Wonderfull job you made here. Bravo! Keep up the spirit! Bjarne Kendra Van Cleave wrote: >I've finally gotten around to updating my website, and finally have some >relatively recent finished object photos up! > >The first is an attempt to copy a dress from Nancy Bradfield's Costume in >Detail (which doesn't look too great on my dress form, but oh well): >http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/regency_1823.html > >The second is a reworking that I did of my mid-1880's bustle ballgown >(scroll down to see the revamped version): >http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/1880.html > >- Kendra > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20329 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:32:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19JBDO09559; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JB1V20981; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g19JABY20772 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:10:11 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:help please Message-ID: <20020209121011.D19534@net.indra.com> References: <11a.bae5f5f.29968d0d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <11a.bae5f5f.29968d0d@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:10:11 -0700 Status: RO For all list admin functions, visit the web site: http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume If you don't have your password (it's mailed to you on the first of every month), there's a place to fill in your address and have the password mailed to you. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:33:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20334 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:33:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19JCDO09622; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:12:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JC0V21224; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JB9V21024 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:11:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-70.gti.net [208.216.115.70]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 34687145A56 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:11:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C657472.4D5735D1@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:11:46 -0500 Status: RO http://site.voila.fr/costumesXV

It's a French site about the clothing of Jeanne d'Arc.
 

I could not bring anything like this up.  Could you provide whole URL please?
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20369 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:40:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19JJEO09940; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JJ0V22798; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JIAV22592 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:18:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.179.3529272 (4442) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:18:11 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <179.3529272.2996cff3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_179.3529272.2996cff3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:18:11 EST Status: RO --part1_179.3529272.2996cff3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't have any trouble getting the site, but if you don't read French (I don't) it isn't very usefull. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_179.3529272.2996cff3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I didn't have any trouble getting the site, but if you don't read French (I don't) it isn't very usefull.

Lalah
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--part1_179.3529272.2996cff3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20377 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:42:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19JLEO10005; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:21:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JL1V23252; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JKFV23089 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.bd.1bb0664b (2616) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Cheeptrims.com? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:20:17 EST Status: RO Margo, You are an EVIL nasty horrid woman. Now I know where every single dime (and THEN SOME) I'll earn for the next YEAR is going. This is the trim motherload. Some of these braids I've not been able to find at ANY price much less this cheap. ARGH and I can't get started til after GW. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 13:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20407 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:48:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19JRDO10241; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JR0V24645; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19JQDV24352 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.145.93d1b4b (4442) for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <145.93d1b4b.2996d1d5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Cheeptrims.com? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_145.93d1b4b.2996d1d5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:26:13 EST Status: RO --part1_145.93d1b4b.2996d1d5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I second Lady Gryphon. I had promised myself that I would not spend another penny on garb for at least six months, and you come up with this website. For shame (and thanks). Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_145.93d1b4b.2996d1d5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I second Lady Gryphon.  I had promised myself that I would not spend another penny on garb for at least six months, and you come up with this website.  For shame (and thanks).

Lalah
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Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
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--part1_145.93d1b4b.2996d1d5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 14:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20631 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:48:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19KPFO13049; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19KP1V08796; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19KOFV08618 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-201-101.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.201.101]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A308373B3 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:24:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <015601c1b1a7$dffdede0$0ac7f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Greenland G-string (was:Evidence of pre16th century womensunderwear) Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01C1B1A5.B1FC32A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:09:35 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C1B1A5.B1FC32A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Robin, You wrote: I believe Valerie heard this at my lecture in Boise on the = Greenland clothes, so I'll take this question, but Marc knows too. The description of the sealskin g-string appears in the medical = section that composes the second half of the Herjolfsnes excavation report. (Norlund's part does not mention it. Norlund has a reputation for = being prim about some things, and this may be one of them.) Most people, it seems, see or read only the sections on clothing, but the medical = section has some fascinating details, even if the writing is antiquated in = style, poorly translated in parts, and reflects 1920s science. The section on diet is quite interesting, as is the discussion of skeleton size. Ah, that explains it. I've never read the report, only exerpts about = the clothes in several books on costume. Hope this is of interest. Immensely! Thank you very much, Robin. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C1B1A5.B1FC32A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Robin,
 
You wrote:
    I believe Valerie heard this at my lecture in = Boise on=20 the Greenland
clothes, so I'll take this question, but Marc knows=20 too.

    The description of the sealskin = g-string=20 appears in the medical section
that composes the second half of the = Herjolfsnes excavation report.
(Norlund's part does not mention it. = Norlund=20 has a reputation for being
prim about some things, and this may be = one of=20 them.) Most people, it
seems, see or read only the sections on = clothing,=20 but the medical section
has some fascinating details, even if the = writing=20 is antiquated in style,
poorly translated in parts, and reflects = 1920s=20 science. The section on
diet is quite interesting, as is the = discussion of=20 skeleton size.
 
Ah, that explains it. I've never read the report, only exerpts = about the=20 clothes in several books on costume.

    Hope = this is of=20 interest.

Immensely!
 
Thank you very much, Robin.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate=20 English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own=20 domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C1B1A5.B1FC32A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 15:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20755 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:28:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19L7EO14627; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19L70V17909; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19L6MV17787 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:06:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zehd-000KAh-0Y; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties-Lucet Cords References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:59:14 +0000 Status: RO It's exactly like a Knitting Nancy, but it's done over 2 prongs of a fork-like implement, instead of 4 pegs, so it comes out square instead of round. Jean Rebecca Anderson wrote >What are lucet cords exactly? >Are they anything like "Knitting Nancy" or Tomboy Stitch", done with four >nails around a cotton reel? >>Speaking of lucet cords... I was recently looking at the York Coppergate >>book on textile tools, and in it Ms Rogers mentions the fact that there >>were "u" shaped bone objects found that many people think are lucets >but >>there aren't any wear patterns on them that would be consistent with >lucet >>usage, therefore doubting that they were used in that fashion. Does >anyone >>know of actual extant lucet cords or lucets with the correct wear patterns >>on them? > >>Cheers, >>Danielle > >>At 03:04 PM 2/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>>Lucet cords work really well.  They are incredibly strong and have nice >body >>>to them.  And the method goes way back!! > >Rebecca Anderson >aka >Lady Adele Anders > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. >_______________________________________________ h-costume >mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 15:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20768 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:30:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19L7SO14648; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19L7FV18000; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:07:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19L6MV17788 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:06:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Zehd-000KAh-0Y; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:06:33 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties-Lucet Cords References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:59:14 +0000 Status: RO It's exactly like a Knitting Nancy, but it's done over 2 prongs of a fork-like implement, instead of 4 pegs, so it comes out square instead of round. Jean Rebecca Anderson wrote >What are lucet cords exactly? >Are they anything like "Knitting Nancy" or Tomboy Stitch", done with four >nails around a cotton reel? >>Speaking of lucet cords... I was recently looking at the York Coppergate >>book on textile tools, and in it Ms Rogers mentions the fact that there >>were "u" shaped bone objects found that many people think are lucets >but >>there aren't any wear patterns on them that would be consistent with >lucet >>usage, therefore doubting that they were used in that fashion. Does >anyone >>know of actual extant lucet cords or lucets with the correct wear patterns >>on them? > >>Cheers, >>Danielle > >>At 03:04 PM 2/8/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>>Lucet cords work really well.  They are incredibly strong and have nice >body >>>to them.  And the method goes way back!! > >Rebecca Anderson >aka >Lady Adele Anders > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. >_______________________________________________ h-costume >mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 16:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20972 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:17:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19LtGO16723; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Lt1V29208; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19LsgV29134 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:54:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.60] (as3-4-74.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.60]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g19Lsr302388 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:54:53 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:40:56 -0800 Status: RO At 7:31 PM +0100 2/8/02, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: >Getting back to the topic, the only archeological evidence for pre-16th >women's undies that I know of comes from the Herfjolnes excavation, where >a woman was buried in a sealskin bikini-type construction that was >probably a medical device for incontinence. > >That's the first I've heard of this! Can you name sources? Is it in >Norlund's catalogue? Marc? It's in the Norlund volume, but not in the section on clothing, rather in the section on the human remains (written by C.C. Hansen). The relevant material is: p.322 [The report has been discussing skeleton #1, and in particular focusing on the significant scoliosis that the skeleton shows. Particularly relevant, the author has been jumping through several levels of speculation regarding potential nerve damage _sometimes_ associated with this type of deformity that _sometimes_ may cause incontinence. One sentence illustrating the level of non-certainty involved is: "It is a well-known fact that if the nerves and medulla spinalis are involved in the affection, there may sometimes occur symptoms with paralysis of rectum and the bladder (incontinentia alvi et urinae)". He then continues ...] "I mention this latter fact as a feature which hypothetically might perhaps be related to the peculiar finding in the pelvic bones of this woman which will be described in more detail below. For it could be shown that a piece of sealskin had been lying from the front of mons publis betweeen the femora, passing before genitalia and anus up behind os coccygis to the sacral region, remains of sealskin being found adhering to these places (in addition to human perineal hairs), together with the remnants of a twisted woollen cord (or string) which had evidently been fastened to the sealskin in front on mons pubis and behind in the sacral region. Besides loose hairs of undyed light sheep's wool the remains of fibres of plant substance (hemp?) were also made out. It is an obvious explanation that the woman may have worn a kind of protective bandage before pudenda and anus perhaps to soak upsecretions during a possible incontinence. Otherwise we know nothing about a special article of clothing for this region among the women of the time, and the most probable assumption is that, as in the earliest times and the Middle Ages, and indeed even much later, drawers were not worn by most European women either of the higher or the common classes." No, in my highly opinionated opinion, it takes a man to observe that a woman is wearing an absorbant garment covering her genitalia and work round by several stages of weak hypothesis to conclude that she may have been incontinent! Given the (appropriately) large amount of hedging he includes in his reasoning (" ... if ... may sometimes ... hypothetically might perhaps ...") I'm still scratching my head over his failure to consider the possibility of a menstrual pad. At any rate, the objective evidence appears to be for one of the Herjolfsnes woman being buried wearing what might better be described as a loin-cloth of sealskin (precise shape unknown), fastened at the waist with a woolen cord, and containing some sort of plant material, possibly (or even presumably) for absorbant purposes. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 16:17:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20973 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:17:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19LtXO16747; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:55:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19LtKV29254; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:55:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19LsjV29155 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:54:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.60] (as3-4-74.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.60]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g19Lsu302405 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:54:56 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C653900.8060704@tds.net> References: <3540EE84526@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <3C653900.8060704@tds.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:54:27 -0800 Status: RO At 8:58 AM -0600 2/9/02, Katie wrote: >I did a translation of the text page for this image, with Babblefish >on Alta Vista >and it made no sence whatsoever. >Katie > >>>>http://parnaseo.uv.es/Lemir/Textos/Mujeres/Imagenes/Semiramis.html >>>> >>>> An illustration for Semiramis, from a Spanish 1494 edition of >>>> Boccaccio's De Claris Mulieribus. >>>> Does it help to know that Boccaccio's "De Claris Mulieribus" ("Concerning Famous Women") is a collection of stories adapted from a variety of historic and literary sources, similar in purpose and nature to his "Decameron" (i.e., intended for the amusement of the nobility), and that Semiramis was a Mesopotamian queen of the 9th century BCE stories about whom were recorded by various classical authors (and so available to medieval writers like Boccaccio). She was used by medieval authors, evidently, to demonstrate some of the evils and excesses of women as sole rulers, and one of the motifs that shows up in Boccaccio is of Semiramis masquerading as a man. (I'm working from summaries of the text rather than the text itself, so I'm not going to attempt to give a more detailed context for the motif.) This would appear to be critically relevant in interpreting the illustration: i.e., that this is not illustrating the normal clothing of women, but _specifically_ a woman appropriating men's clothing. (I'd have to look at the full text to know how significant the cross-dressing incident is to the whole, but it certainly undermines any hypothesis that the illustration is "neutral" with respect to portraying ordinary feminine clothing.) (I have similar concerns about the other image referenced in the original post -- the one labelled "Brunehilda" from the Romance of Alexander, showing a possibly-female figure, naked except for braies, being martyred by being torn limb from limb. The genre of the manuscript -- i.e., a romance based extremely loosely on the figure of Alexander the Great -- opens similar possibilities that the illustration is not of "normal" feminine clothing. But context would be useful for exploring this question further.) In the broader context, the question is not whether medieval people portrayed women wearing underpants, but rather whether they portrayed this as being an ordinary and normal thing, rather than being iconic of a general appropriation of male characteristics (in which case, it would argue _against_ women's normal wearing of underpants). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 17:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21486 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19N3GO19358; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:03:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19N31V14166; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14004.mail.yahoo.com (web14004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g19N23V13970 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:02:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020209230215.25839.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.198.186.167] by web14004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:02:15 PST From: Joe Cool To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:02:15 -0800 (PST) Status: RO NPR is doing a series called "New York Works". It`s about jobs that are disappearing. The one about the custom bra fitter is excellent and amusing. I want to be just like that when I`m 95. NPR site: http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/newyorkworks/newyorkworks.html ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 17:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21493 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:26:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19N5EO19442; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:05:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19N50V14642; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19N4bV14536 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23113 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:21:27 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:21:27 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > No, in my highly opinionated opinion, it takes a man to observe that a > woman is wearing an absorbant garment covering her genitalia and work > round by several stages of weak hypothesis to conclude that she may > have been incontinent! Given the (appropriately) large amount of > hedging he includes in his reasoning (" ... if ... may sometimes ... > hypothetically might perhaps ...") I'm still scratching my head over > his failure to consider the possibility of a menstrual pad. Heather, I'm glad *you* said that. I've always wondered why he never mentioned the possibility, even to discount it. He discusses the possibilty of pregnancy (and finds no evidence of it), but he never discusses whether, say, there might have been evidence of blood in the area. You'd think he'd at least consider it. In my other post I was trying very hard not to inject my personal opinion, and just present Hansen's train of thought, because I really didn't know whether it would seem solid or shaky to other people. It's true the skeleton of #1 *does* suggest a lot of physical problems! But I've wondered just how well the incontinence theory would hold up under modern examination, and I don't know enough about the specific deformity to judge. (Kat?) The "well-known fact" stuff always felt to me like he was working pretty hard to provide support for his physical diagnosis. Too bad we don't have evidence of the G-string on a skeletally normal woman. > At any rate, the objective evidence appears to be for one of the > Herjolfsnes woman being buried wearing what might better be described > as a loin-cloth of sealskin (precise shape unknown), fastened at the > waist with a woolen cord, and containing some sort of plant material, > possibly (or even presumably) for absorbant purposes. And even if it's an incontinence pad, it would be reasonable to assume that a similar method would be used for menstruation. I'm grateful to Hansen for his detailed description, though. Norlund didn't think it worth mentioning those fragments at all, unless that's what he meant by his "oxhide or goat-skin" reference. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 17:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21498 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:27:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19N6EO19492; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:06:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19N61V14882; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14008.mail.yahoo.com (web14008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.124]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g19N5KV14716 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:05:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020209230533.60177.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.198.186.167] by web14008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:05:33 PST From: Joe Cool Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C65711F.7050405@post12.tele.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:05:33 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > >http://www.tweedlebop.com/kendra/costume/regency_1823.html > > Despite what you say in your page text, I think you should wear it at least once. C`mon. I`m older than you and I would. > >The second is a reworking that I did of my mid-1880's bustle > ballgown > >(scroll down to see the revamped version) The ruches really improve things. The variations in texture are really nifty. I can see that the fit in the bodice is much smoother. Brava! --cin Cynthia in Tokyo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 17:44:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21584 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:44:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19NNEO20205; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NN0V18772; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05bw.bigpond.com (mta05bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.95]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NKbV18148 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.87]) by mta05bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GRAGUD00.AQL for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:20:37 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-45.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.45]) by bwmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 56/4170622); 10 Feb 2002 09:20:37 Message-ID: <3C66BBE3.6386F71F@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020208111919.00d63930@mail.frys.com> <20020209072159.883.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:28:51 -0800 Status: RO jdsmith@usadatanet.net wrote: > On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:37:39 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows said: > > > And there's a picture of someone, in Davenport's costume book, where > > I'm sure I'm seeing hooks and eyes at the neck. (Can't find > > Davenport right now either, but she says it's of an 'un-named > > English princess'.) > > Huh, I was under the impression there were no examples of > hooks-and-eyes closing a shirt collar. Cool, I don't feel so > inauthentic now. ;-) > There is a notable one I've seen dating from middle-latish fifteenth century, it is a painting of someone's fool (ie that is his job) but he is wearing normal clothes not motley. He has a tiny little button and a fairly large hook on his shirt collar. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 17:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21639 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:58:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19NbFO20834; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:37:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Nb0V21932; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NY6V21182 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-1414.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.11.144]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g19NYHM18410 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:34:17 -0500 Message-ID: <3C65B1E2.D65B34ED@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! References: <3C657472.4D5735D1@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:33:54 -0600 Status: RO martyr@gti.net wrote: > > http://site.voila.fr/costumesXV > > It's a French site about the clothing of Jeanne d'Arc. I took a quick look. I found plenty of pictures of men's clothing. Did I miss the women's? --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 18:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21680 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g19NhFO21148; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:43:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19Nh1V23452; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NeEV22657 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:40:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 (ip105.vanc8.pacifier.com [66.43.2.105]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g19Ndee21903 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:39:40 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Message-ID: <3C6543FD.23091.100FE51F@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:45:01 -0800 Status: RO > In my other post I was trying very hard not to inject my personal opinion, > and just present Hansen's train of thought, because I really didn't know > whether it would seem solid or shaky to other people. It's true the > skeleton of #1 *does* suggest a lot of physical problems! But I've > wondered just how well the incontinence theory would hold up under modern > examination, and I don't know enough about the specific deformity to > judge. (Kat?) The "well-known fact" stuff always felt to me like he was > working pretty hard to provide support for his physical diagnosis. Too bad > we don't have evidence of the G-string on a skeletally normal woman. It's hard to say. Certainly damage in the area where he describes can cause incontinence (and not just of urine), but it doesn't always happen. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 18:22:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21769 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:22:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A01FO21912; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:01:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A011V27650; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g19NwSV26855 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:58:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g1A00WM05149 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200202100000.g1A00WM05149@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! In-Reply-To: "from Saragrace knauf at Feb 9, 2002 07:24:59 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:00:32 -0800 (PST) Status: RO that is the whole URL, as it loads for me http://Site.voila.fr/costumesXV .heather. > XVth c. siteI could not bring anything like this up. Could you provide > whole URL please? Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Grace Morris > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:49 AM > To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com; h-costume@indra.com; > costumers@atlantia.sca.org > Subject: [h-cost] XVth c. site > > > Here?s an interesting one... > > Site.voila.fr/costumesXV > > Jessamyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 18:37:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21885 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:37:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A0GFO22532; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:16:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A0G0V01660; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A0FcV01563 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:15:38 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g1A0Hf605343 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200202100017.g1A0Hf605343@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton In-Reply-To: <009101c1b18b$c0adca30$9da98218@duck> "from Kendra Van Cleave at Feb 9, 2002 09:03:44 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:17:41 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I've always heard batiste is the best, and I just got a sample from fabrics4u.com that's REALLY nice and soft, and not too expensive. I'm planning on getting some for the same purpose :) .heather. > Okay, I know the difference between modern muslin/cotton and Regency > muslin/cotton has been discussed on the list before. What I haven't been > able to figure out, tho, is what is a good modern approximation of Regency > muslins/cottons? I know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work? > > - Kendra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 21:40:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22609 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A3JIO29816; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:19:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A3J1V23063; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A3IrV23028 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:18:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g1A3Kvn06630 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200202100320.g1A3Kvn06630@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] sew wrong Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:20:57 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I've seen a lot of logs of costuming projects, but I just got passed this one, and I thought it was so cute, I had to share. http://www.dollarshort.org/sew/ The site is called "Sew Wrong" -- it's inspired me to install weblog software on my server tonight, so I can do similar things with my projects :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 22:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23022 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:39:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A4HSO02068; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A4E1V04962; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A4DoV04909 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:13:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.15] (as-5-29.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.15]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1A4E3326946 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C65B1E2.D65B34ED@flash.net> References: <3C657472.4D5735D1@gti.net> <3C65B1E2.D65B34ED@flash.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:06:06 -0800 Status: RO At 5:33 PM -0600 2/9/02, Charlene Charette wrote: >martyr@gti.net wrote: >> >> http://site.voila.fr/costumesXV >> >> It's a French site about the clothing of Jeanne d'Arc. > >I took a quick look. I found plenty of pictures of men's clothing. Did >I miss the women's? The writer seems to be primarily concerned with what Jeanne d'Arc might have worn during the period when she was wearing men's clothing. (The site is a transcription of Adrien Harmand's 1929 book "Jeanne d'Arc: ses costumes, son armure".) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 9 23:51:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23243 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:51:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A5UIO04491; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:30:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A5U1V20213; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A5S0V19889 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.55.178.225]) by femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020210052813.MVMH20417.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:28:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3C6604E5.281ACD68@home.com> From: Liz / Cozit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200202092308.g19N89V15370@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] lucet - 16th century England? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@home.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:28:06 -0500 Status: RO Please pardon me if it's been asked recently... my e-mail's been really odd lately (digest #709 only came partially... under the guise of a yahoogroups digest that I get (what showed up on the summary), rather than h-costume.... as an example of how oddly it's been) Does anyone have any information on what type of lucet tool would have been used in England in the early to mid 1500s? Preferably in the area around Cambridge and London? I'm trying to figure out approximate size and materials used... or any oddities (handle, no handle, hole in base for lucet to pass through or nots, etc.) Unfortunately, having only recently become interested in it, I've not the slightest idea where to start looking, and haven't come across anything about lucet cording in the costuming or needlework... or general history of the time and place.... or if I have, it's been years and didn't stick in my head. I'd appreciate any info. anyone has on either places to look or specifics if you've happened across them. Thanks in advance! -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 01:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23425 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:06:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A6jIO06539; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:45:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A6j1V04339; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A6irV04293 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.53] (as3-4-67.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.53]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1A6j4323969 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:45:05 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C6604E5.281ACD68@home.com> References: <200202092308.g19N89V15370@net.indra.com> <3C6604E5.281ACD68@home.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet - 16th century England? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:28:36 -0800 Status: RO At 12:28 AM -0500 2/10/02, Liz / Cozit wrote: >Please pardon me if it's been asked recently... my e-mail's been >really odd lately (digest #709 only came partially... under the >guise of a yahoogroups digest that I get (what showed up on the >summary), rather than h-costume.... as an example of how oddly it's >been) > >Does anyone have any information on what type of lucet tool would >have been used in England in the early to mid 1500s? Preferably in >the area around Cambridge and London? I'm trying to figure out >approximate size and materials used... or any oddities (handle, no >handle, hole in base for lucet to pass through or nots, etc.) > >Unfortunately, having only recently become interested in it, I've >not the slightest idea where to start looking, and haven't come >across anything about lucet cording in the costuming or >needlework... or general history of the time and place.... or if I >have, it's been >years and didn't stick in my head. > >I'd appreciate any info. anyone has on either places to look or >specifics if you've happened across them. Unless new information has been discovered since the last time I saw this discussed, I don't know of any certain information that lucet-work was actually done in 16th c. England, either in terms of evidence for the cord or the implements. The only surviving tools I've seen proposed as medieval lucets are some relatively unshaped two-pronged bones from early medieval sites. I think this is one of those cases where, before you can ask "how did they?" you need to establish "did they?" Heather (still a lucet-skeptic) -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 01:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23447 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A6xHO06920; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:59:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A6x1V06709; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A6wJV06624 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:58:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1A6xEb08822 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:59:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210005135.02ba59e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <200202100000.g1A00WM05149@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] costume movies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:53:22 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, I just got home from watching the Count of Monte Cristo and all I can say is, I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm no expert in Regency or Directoire period clothing but I thought it looked awfully good. Anyone else seen it and can confirm or deny? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 02:07:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23909 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A7jIO08090; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:45:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A7j1V14478; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A7iuV14439 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:44:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from CC261386A [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A4F025504BE; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:44:48 -0600 Message-ID: <005901c1b206$b414e260$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210005135.02ba59e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume movies X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:43:59 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, I saw a show on the making of the film the other day and it look good for men's costumes. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 03:41:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24248 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:41:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A9KIO10726; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:20:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A9K1V01512; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A9J6V01374 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:19:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-141.frys.com [66.121.20.141]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1A9Js626024 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:19:55 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020210010312.00e4be10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 In-Reply-To: <3C66BBE3.6386F71F@bigpond.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020206133614.00be9630@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020208111919.00d63930@mail.frys.com> <20020209072159.883.qmail@felicia.usadatanet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:05:13 -0800 Status: RO Claire Clarke writes, in a message sent 10:28 AM 2/10/02 -0800: >jdsmith@usadatanet.net wrote: > > > On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:37:39 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows > said: > > > > > And there's a picture of someone, in Davenport's costume book, where > > > I'm sure I'm seeing hooks and eyes at the neck. (Can't find > > > Davenport right now either, but she says it's of an 'un-named > > > English princess'.) > > > > Huh, I was under the impression there were no examples of > > hooks-and-eyes closing a shirt collar. Cool, I don't feel so > > inauthentic now. ;-) > > > >There is a notable one I've seen dating from middle-latish fifteenth century, >it is a painting of someone's fool (ie that is his job) but he is wearing >normal >clothes not motley. He has a tiny little button and a fairly large hook on >his shirt That's a Breughel, and is also in Davenport. The hooks and eyes are about half an inch long, and unfastened so one can see them. His jacket looks like it was crocheted together out of leather scraps by some hippie. I don't think it's real crochet, but that's the look. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 03:42:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24256 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:42:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A9KoO10741; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:20:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A9KYV01620; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A9J9V01388 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-141.frys.com [66.121.20.141]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1A9Jv626027 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:19:58 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020210010549.00bf7c00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume movies In-Reply-To: <005901c1b206$b414e260$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210005135.02ba59e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:06:38 -0800 Status: RO Not perfect, but pretty good. I decided to see it on what turned out to be opening night, a little while ago. Penny Ladnier writes, in a message sent 02:43 AM 2/10/02 -0500: >Danielle, > >I saw a show on the making of the film the other day and it look good for >men's costumes. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 03:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24309 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:53:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1A9WHO11097; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A9W0V03667; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1A9VdV03616 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:31:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020210093154.LAPL8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:31:54 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 Message-ID: <3C663E08.23128.113C2A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020210010312.00e4be10@mail.frys.com> References: <3C66BBE3.6386F71F@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:31:52 -0000 Status: RO On 10 Feb 2002 at 1:05, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Claire Clarke writes, in a message sent 10:28 AM 2/10/02 -0800: > >There is a notable one I've seen dating from middle-latish fifteenth century, > >it is a painting of someone's fool (ie that is his job) but he is wearing > >normal > >clothes not motley. He has a tiny little button and a fairly large hook on > >his shirt > That's a Breughel, and is also in Davenport. The hooks and eyes are about > half an inch long, and unfastened so one can see them. His jacket looks > like it was crocheted together out of leather scraps by some hippie. I > don't think it's real crochet, but that's the look. Crochet? (Eyes light up!) If it is real crochet, it's the earliest evidence I know of by a few hundred years. So what's the picture? Which Breughel? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 05:07:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA24944 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 05:07:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AAkIO12853; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AAk0V29468; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AAjdV29418 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 03:45:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.65]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020210093253.CZAF25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:32:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3C663E1F.8040506@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <6e.178f3737.299740eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [lace] Authentic Metal Thread in the US Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:32:15 +0100 Status: RO Hi I pass this on to you, as some of you might get interrested in this! I am :-) Bjarne MetalLaceThread@aol.com wrote: > Hello, Arachne members! > > I don't if any of you will remember me; I'm Kelly Plamp and my email > used to be lacefreak. I unsubscribed from the list for a while because > I was just too busy making lace to keep up! I'm glad to be back and > I'm looking forward to more discussion. > > I would like to let you know that I have become a distributor for a > thread dealer in Germany and I can provide handmade gold, silver and > brass thread, as well as handmade linen and Manuela cotton. If anyone > is interested in details, please feel free to email me privately at > MetalLaceThreads@aol.com. > > I promise not to become an "ongoing email commercial"! > > Best regards, > Kelly Plamp > Saginaw, Michigan > Warm for February but damp and nasty outside -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 07:47:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29327 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:47:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ADQKO15951; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ADQ1V24222; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (mtao1.east.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ADPPV24124 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:25:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020210132536.FMSL3264.lakemtao01.cox.net@cx181913a> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:25:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c1b236$5b8f9880$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210005135.02ba59e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume movies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:24:53 -0500 Status: RO I haven't seen CoMC yet, but hopefully I'll get to go tomorrow. Himself is wanting to see the new Schwartzenegger........ (yawn)..... so it's a coin toss at this point. However, I did see "Brotherhood of the Wolf", and had asked here if anyone else has seen it, and what the opinions are on the >costumes<, NOT on the movie! Maybe it would help to think of BotW as similar to _Sleepy Hollow_, in that there are some good looking costumes with a fantasy- based movie. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] costume movies > Greetings, > > I just got home from watching the Count of Monte Cristo and all I can say > is, I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm no expert in Regency or Directoire > period clothing but I thought it looked awfully good. Anyone else seen it > and can confirm or deny? > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 08:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29407 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ADrxO16702; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:53:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ADrgV29062; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:53:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ADoHV28449 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:50:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-13.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.96.13]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1ADoKl94198 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:50:20 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Folkwear 50s dress pattern Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200202080917.BAA26584@gw.retro.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:52:56 +1100 Status: RO I'm considering making up Folkwear #241 Fifties Fit & Flare Has anyone here tried that pattern yet? After my fiasco with the Butterick Retro pattern, I decided I'd try something that was drafted Nah, but never had a problem with any other Folkwear stuff, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 08:34:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29443 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:34:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AEDKO17160; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:13:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AED0V02812; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1AECOV02686 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3128 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 14:12:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.193.116]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Feb 2002 14:12:35 -0000 Message-ID: <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:12:58 -0500 Status: RO My 1924 copy of Meddelelser doesn't go past p267. Are you referring ot a later edition, saying that someone added things? Or a separate publication? Rowena > It's in the Norlund volume, but not in the section on clothing, > rather in the section on the human remains (written by C.C. Hansen). > The relevant material is: > > p.322 > > [The report has been discussing skeleton #1, and in particular > focusing on the significant scoliosis that the skeleton shows. > Particularly relevant, the author has been jumping through several > levels of speculation regarding potential nerve damage _sometimes_ > associated with this type of deformity that _sometimes_ may cause > incontinence. One sentence illustrating the level of non-certainty > involved is: "It is a well-known fact that if the nerves and medulla > spinalis are involved in the affection, there may sometimes occur > symptoms with paralysis of rectum and the bladder (incontinentia alvi > et urinae)". He then continues ...] > > "I mention this latter fact as a feature which hypothetically might > perhaps be related to the peculiar finding in the pelvic bones of > this woman which will be described in more detail below. For it [snipped] > indeed even much later, drawers were not worn by most European women > either of the higher or the common classes." > > No, in my highly opinionated opinion, it takes a man to observe that > a woman is wearing an absorbant garment covering her genitalia and > work round by several stages of weak hypothesis to conclude that she > may have been incontinent! Given the (appropriately) large amount of > hedging he includes in his reasoning (" ... if ... may sometimes ... > hypothetically might perhaps ...") I'm still scratching my head over > his failure to consider the possibility of a menstrual pad. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 10:18:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29816 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:18:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AFv0O20400; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AFufV22090; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:56:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AFq4V20984 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cr297998a ([24.102.123.33]) by fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.04.06 201-253-122-122-106-20020109) with ESMTP id <20020210155215.QZXT159916.fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@cr297998a> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c1b24b$52d88f20$217b6618@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> From: "Eve Harris & David Stamper" To: References: <200202101332.g1ADWmV25478@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at fep04-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.102.123.33] using ID at Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:52:15 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Metal Lace Threads Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:55:12 -0500 Status: RO Greetings! I tried emailing the metallic thread lady in Michigan and the addy bounced. Any info? Very interested in picking up some nice metallic threads for my buttons etc. Eve Harris > forwarded by Bjarne > > MetalLaceThread@aol.com wrote: > > > Hello, Arachne members! > > > > I don't if any of you will remember me; I'm Kelly Plamp and my email > > used to be lacefreak. I unsubscribed from the list for a while because > > I was just too busy making lace to keep up! I'm glad to be back and > > I'm looking forward to more discussion. > > > > I would like to let you know that I have become a distributor for a > > thread dealer in Germany and I can provide handmade gold, silver and > > brass thread, as well as handmade linen and Manuela cotton. If anyone > > is interested in details, please feel free to email me privately at > > MetalLaceThreads@aol.com. > > > > I promise not to become an "ongoing email commercial"! > > > > Best regards, > > Kelly Plamp > > Saginaw, Michigan > > Warm for February but damp and nasty outside _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 11:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30063 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:30:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AH9BO23307; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:09:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AH8qV07888; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:08:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AH19V06023 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.52]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020210165952.FZWO25405.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:59:52 +0100 Message-ID: <3C66A6E2.7060305@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Metal Lace Threads References: <200202101332.g1ADWmV25478@net.indra.com> <004d01c1b24b$52d88f20$217b6618@ym.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080004020001060707030300" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:59:14 +0100 Status: RO --------------080004020001060707030300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try to paste this email to the e-mail: MetalLaceThread@aol.com It worked fine for me. Bjarne Drews Eve Harris & David Stamper wrote: >Greetings! > >I tried emailing the metallic thread lady in Michigan and the addy bounced. > >Any info? Very interested in picking up some nice metallic threads for my >buttons etc. > >Eve Harris > >>forwarded by Bjarne >> >>MetalLaceThread@aol.com wrote: >> >>>Hello, Arachne members! >>> >>>I don't if any of you will remember me; I'm Kelly Plamp and my email >>>used to be lacefreak. I unsubscribed from the list for a while because >>>I was just too busy making lace to keep up! I'm glad to be back and >>>I'm looking forward to more discussion. >>> >>>I would like to let you know that I have become a distributor for a >>>thread dealer in Germany and I can provide handmade gold, silver and >>>brass thread, as well as handmade linen and Manuela cotton. If anyone >>>is interested in details, please feel free to email me privately at >>>MetalLaceThreads@aol.com. >>> >>>I promise not to become an "ongoing email commercial"! >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Kelly Plamp >>>Saginaw, Michigan >>>Warm for February but damp and nasty outside >>> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html --------------080004020001060707030300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try to paste this email to the e-mail: MetalLaceThread@aol.com

It worked fine for me.

Bjarne Drews

Eve Harris & David Stamper wrote:
Greetings!

I tried emailing the metallic thread lady in Michigan and the addy bounced.

Any info? Very interested in picking up some nice metallic threads for my
buttons etc.

Eve Harris

forwarded by Bjarne

MetalLaceThread@aol.com wrote:

Hello, Arachne members!

I don't if any of you will remember me; I'm Kelly Plamp and my email
used to be lacefreak. I unsubscribed from the list for a while because
I was just too busy making lace to keep up! I'm glad to be back and
I'm looking forward to more discussion.

I would like to let you know that I have become a distributor for a
thread dealer in Germany and I can provide handmade gold, silver and
brass thread, as well as handmade linen and Manuela cotton. If anyone
is interested in details, please feel free to email me privately at
MetalLaceThreads@aol.com.

I promise not to become an "ongoing email commercial"!

Best regards,
Kelly Plamp
Saginaw, Michigan
Warm for February but damp and nasty outside

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Leif Drews
Åboulevard 5, 3 th
1635  København V

Bjarne Drews
Åboulevard 5,3.th
1635 København V

tlf. 35 37 13 70

My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk

Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph

Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html

--------------080004020001060707030300-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 11:48:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30105 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:48:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AHRAO23975; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:27:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AHQqV11681; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:26:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AHGEV09304 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.121] (as3-4-135.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.121]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1AHGT301441 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:16:30 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:15:45 -0800 Status: RO At 9:12 AM -0500 2/10/02, Rowena wrote: >My 1924 copy of Meddelelser doesn't go past p267. Are you referring ot a >later edition, saying that someone added things? >Or a separate publication? Volume 67 of "Meddelelser om Gronland" contains three sections: - "Buried Norsemen at Herjolsnes" by Norlund, starting on p.1 - "Interpretation of the Runic Inscriptions from Herjolfsnes" by Jonsson, starting on p.271 - "Anthropologia medico-historica groenlandiae antiquae, I. Herjolfsnes" by Hansen, starting on p.291 Most people who have photocopies of the book only have Norlund's material. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 13:00:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30377 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:00:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AIdJO27068; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AId0V28237; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AIceV28167 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:38:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.137]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020210183856.LXHC1628.chruser@tds.net> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:38:56 -0600 Message-ID: <3C66BDFF.8000006@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! 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I know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work? > I use good Swiss cotton batiste. I also bought a set of semi-sheer Indian cotton curtains from Restoration Hardware with a heavier woven-in stripe. (Pier 1 also had similar curtains at one time.) This made a good day dress, with a peach silk underdress ("slip"). Ann Wass --part1_6f.22451f6b.29981f05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2002 1:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, kendra@tweedlebop.com writes:


good modern approximation of Regency
muslins/cottons?  I  know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work?


I use good Swiss cotton batiste.  I also bought a set of semi-sheer Indian cotton curtains from Restoration Hardware with a heavier woven-in stripe.  (Pier 1 also had similar curtains at one time.)  This made a good day dress, with a peach silk underdress ("slip").
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--part1_e5.138a02c7.2998277b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 14:23:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30672 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:23:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AK20O01559; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AK1gV19654; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AJuVV17920 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:56:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.179]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020210195647.JFML1982.fepF.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:56:47 +0100 Message-ID: <3C66D058.1050403@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton References: <6f.22451f6b.29981f05@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:56:08 +0100 Status: RO Yes, and if you could afford it, hankerchief linen is also good, but quite pricey. And you could also use silk taffeta and mixed silk/wool. I remember a wonderfull blue shiny silk/wool i made a renaissance dress of. It was falling fantastic in heavy folds. Bjarne AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/9/2002 1:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, > kendra@tweedlebop.com writes: > > >> good modern approximation of Regency >> muslins/cottons? I know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work? > > > > I use good Swiss cotton batiste. I also bought a set of semi-sheer > Indian cotton curtains from Restoration Hardware with a heavier > woven-in stripe. (Pier 1 also had similar curtains at one time.) > This made a good day dress, with a peach silk underdress ("slip"). > Ann Wass -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 15:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31015 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:23:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AL2LO04694; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:02:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AL21V04102; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9804.mail.yahoo.com (web9804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.214]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1AL11V03837 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:01:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020210210118.46785.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.135.87] by web9804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:01:18 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] V&A's website Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:01:18 -0800 (PST) Status: RO The V&A's new website is up--it may have been for a while, but I just happened to look and it's a new design. http://www.vam.ac.uk/ The search function is not terribly easy to use--I tried to select 16th century, Europe and Fashion/Clothing (I think that was the category) and they wouldn't stay selected. But at least some of their early stuff is on line again. I can't find the Elizabethan era boy's shirt, though...I did find the woman's doublet with the matching portrait! Kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 16:36:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31315 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:36:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AMEfO08156; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:14:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AMEMV20662; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:14:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1AMBPV20038 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:11:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 1762 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 22:11:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.193.116]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Feb 2002 22:11:37 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c1b27f$f33f7ee0$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:11:55 -0500 Status: RO ok - the original edition from Rutgers doesn't have anything except the Norlund part, either. So where do you find the others? They sound fascinating, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Rose Jones" To: Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... > At 9:12 AM -0500 2/10/02, Rowena wrote: > >My 1924 copy of Meddelelser doesn't go past p267. Are you referring ot a > >later edition, saying that someone added things? > >Or a separate publication? > > Volume 67 of "Meddelelser om Gronland" contains three sections: > > - "Buried Norsemen at Herjolsnes" by Norlund, starting on p.1 > - "Interpretation of the Runic Inscriptions from Herjolfsnes" by > Jonsson, starting on p.271 > - "Anthropologia medico-historica groenlandiae antiquae, I. > Herjolfsnes" by Hansen, starting on p.291 > > Most people who have photocopies of the book only have Norlund's material. > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 16:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31395 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1AMMEO08611; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:22:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AMLtV22961; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:21:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1AMFNV21043 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:15:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1AMGLb17594 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:16:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210160639.02b44610@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume movies In-Reply-To: <005901c1b206$b414e260$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210005135.02ba59e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:15:07 -0600 Status: RO At 02:43 AM 2/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Danielle, > >I saw a show on the making of the film the other day and it look good for >men's costumes. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com Thanks Penny. From what I saw the women's stuff looked pretty good too. I did drive my DH nuts by sitting there pointing out the various sari fabrics and Indian borders though.... Just out of curiosity, would a man where something like Dantes' burgundy robe? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 17:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31714 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:57:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ANZfO12121; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:35:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ANZKV10877; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:35:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ANXrV10336 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:33:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA16220 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:51:51 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202102351.PAA16220@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:51:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Looks like someone else had similar problems. From the "Sew Wrong" site: http://www.dollarshort.org/sew/project6173.html I had at least planned to do mine in two contrasting solids, with the back/wrap-around piece being dark. Simply because I know what it'd look like on _me_ otherwise. The photo of her in the dress shows similar problems to what I found, most of which could be fixed by wearing a corset and a bullet bra as foundation. Her dress has that same weird fit in the bodice and it looks like she added a piece to the waist wrap as well. (look at the link "unflattering") When I did the mockup for mine, I ran through the thought process: I _could_ fix this But do I want to? How much of a pain would it be? And wouldn't a long sleeve dress look better on _me_? Why not try a different pattern... So now I'm waiting for that bullet bra to arrive (decided I need the right foundation for the bust) and working on the Folkwear pattern instead. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 18:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31867 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:41:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B0JfO14181; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B0JKV21491; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B0G4V20722 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [68.61.33.252] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A05248E00038; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:29:06 -0600 Message-ID: <00da01c1b291$3f1494c0$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <20020209230215.25839.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] NYC bra fitter. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:15:43 -0500 Status: RO the heck with that... I want to go get a decent brassiere!!! I loved that program too. -kel ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Cool To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) > > > NPR is doing a series called "New York Works". It`s about jobs > that are disappearing. The one about the custom bra fitter is > excellent and amusing. I want to be just like that when I`m 95. > NPR site: > http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/newyorkworks/newyorkworks.html > > > > > ===== > --cin > Cynthia > hysteria95126@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 18:45:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31880 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:45:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B0NeO14354; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:23:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B0NLV22368; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B0KbV21781 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:20:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [68.61.33.252] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A164CC6A014A; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:33:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00f001c1b291$e1e3f6a0$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <200202100320.g1A3Kvn06630@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sew wrong MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:20:16 -0500 Status: RO that was fabulous!! thanks for passing it on... -kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Meadows To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: [h-cost] sew wrong > > > I've seen a lot of logs of costuming projects, but > I just got passed this one, and I thought it was so cute, I had > to share. > > http://www.dollarshort.org/sew/ > The site is called "Sew Wrong" -- > > it's inspired me to install weblog software on my server tonight, > so I can do similar things with my projects :) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 18:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31889 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:47:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B0PeO14487; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:25:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B0PLV22846; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:25:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B0MIV22138 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:22:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27997 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:39:19 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-Reply-To: <001e01c1b27f$f33f7ee0$01fea8c0@vaio> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:39:19 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Rowena wrote: > ok - the original edition from Rutgers doesn't have anything except the > Norlund part, either. So where do you find the others? They sound > fascinating, too. I've never seen a book that just had Norlund's section. When I got an original through ILL, it had everything, and the index/table of contents reflect the entire work. Perhaps it was also published broken up, or perhaps there was enough demand for the Norlund section it was reissued separately. I assume you mean the Rutgers library; it might be worth seeing if the other parts are on the shelf as mated volumes. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 20:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32563 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:09:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B1lfO19087; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:47:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B1lKV13668; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:47:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B1iJV12763 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:44:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1B1ibaV014428 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:44:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p24.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.152]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08117 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:44:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202110144.UAA08117@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Number of postingss...ahem.. In-Reply-To: <3C655AF9.8000403@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:45:13 -0500 Status: RO I have 824 postings under this email address. I can't remember the old (aol) email address I was subscribed under, so... (shrug). Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 20:15:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32594 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:15:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B1reO19316; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:53:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B1rKV15019; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:53:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B1plV14693 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:51:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1B1q6aV015154 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p24.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.152]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08590 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:52:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202110152.UAA08590@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton In-Reply-To: <009101c1b18b$c0adca30$9da98218@duck> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:52:41 -0500 Status: RO At 09:03 AM 02/09/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Okay, I know the difference between modern muslin/cotton and Regency >muslin/cotton has been discussed on the list before. What I haven't been >able to figure out, tho, is what is a good modern approximation of Regency >muslins/cottons? I know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work? > >- Kendra I've been told that that's a good approximation. And someone recommended Gohn Brothers in Indiana to me as a good source. I called them for their catalog, but it's at work, so I can't give you the phone number. They don't have a web site. They cater to the Amish and Mennonite community. What surprised me was that they carry a good deal of polyester-blend fabric. I don't like the stuff and consider it impractical because it pills something awful, and looks dingy pretty quickly too. Go figure... Maybe they think blends wear better or something. But they do have 100% cotton batiste and voile, as well as some other interesting stuff like huck towelling. -- Mara "For a nice 100% cotton batiste try Gohn Bros. They have something Called Zepher Batiste 60" wide for $3.98 per yd. They also carry nice Combed Cotton Voile 45" wide for $ 3.49 per yd. Their address is Box 1110 Middlebury, Indiana 46540. They will send samples for $ .25 ea." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 21:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00319 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:14:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B2pgO21992; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:51:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B2pLV28975; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:51:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B2n1V28443 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.121] (as3-4-45.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.31]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1B2nI320979 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:49:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001e01c1b27f$f33f7ee0$01fea8c0@vaio> References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> <001e01c1b27f$f33f7ee0$01fea8c0@vaio> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:27:43 -0800 Status: RO At 5:11 PM -0500 2/10/02, Rowena wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Heather Rose Jones" > >> At 9:12 AM -0500 2/10/02, Rowena wrote: >> >My 1924 copy of Meddelelser doesn't go past p267. Are you referring >ot a >> >later edition, saying that someone added things? >> >Or a separate publication? >> >> Volume 67 of "Meddelelser om Gronland" contains three sections: >> >> - "Buried Norsemen at Herjolsnes" by Norlund, starting on p.1 >> - "Interpretation of the Runic Inscriptions from Herjolfsnes" by >> Jonsson, starting on p.271 >> - "Anthropologia medico-historica groenlandiae antiquae, I. >> Herjolfsnes" by Hansen, starting on p.291 >> > > Most people who have photocopies of the book only have Norlund's material. >ok - the original edition from Rutgers doesn't have anything except the >Norlund part, either. So where do you find the others? They sound >fascinating, too. Huh. Both times I've had an actual copy of the book in my hands (including the one I bought), they've had all three articles. But the ones I've seen haven't had anything to do with Rutgers -- they're published by C.A. Reitzel in Copenhagen. The 1924 volume is only one of an extensive series, although very few of them have material on the medieval Norse settlements. Volume 88 (1936) is on excavations at Sandnes and has a number of artifacts of wood and bone, but no clothing (except for a couple fragments of a shoe). Other volumes are on deeply fascinating topics like "an exhaustive study of the lichens of Greenland" and whatnot. (Not meaning to cast aspersions on people deeply fascinated by lichens.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 21:43:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00412 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:43:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B3LkO23310; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:21:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B3LLV05954; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:21:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1B3INV05175 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:18:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17240 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2002 03:18:16 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082107.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.107) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 11 Feb 2002 03:18:16 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020210212306.009e62b0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern In-Reply-To: <200202102351.PAA16220@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:24:29 -0600 Status: RO At 03:51 PM 2/10/02 -0800, you wrote: >Looks like someone else had similar problems. From the "Sew Wrong" >site: http://www.dollarshort.org/sew/project6173.html > > > >So now I'm waiting for that bullet bra to arrive (decided I need the right >foundation for the bust) and working on the Folkwear pattern instead. Where did you order your bullet bra from? I've been toying with the idea of trying to make one, but if there's some place that I can buy them ready-made, I'd be really happy. Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 22:09:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00519 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:09:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B3lgO24642; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:47:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B3lLV11971; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:47:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B3jiV11628 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:45:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.123.122] ([68.37.192.24]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020211034603.MQHA5413.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.123.122]> for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:46:03 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton From: Bettina Bierly To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202110152.UAA08590@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:53:07 -0800 Status: RO on 2/10/02 5:52 PM, Kevin + Mara Riley at lindo@radix.net wrote: > At 09:03 AM 02/09/2002 -0800, you wrote: >> Okay, I know the difference between modern muslin/cotton and Regency >> muslin/cotton has been discussed on the list before. What I haven't been >> able to figure out, tho, is what is a good modern approximation of Regency >> muslins/cottons? I know it's not broadcloth -- would batiste work? >> >> - Kendra > > I've been told that that's a good approximation. And someone recommended > Gohn Brothers in Indiana to me as a good source. I called them for their > catalog, but it's at work, so I can't give you the phone number. They > don't have a web site. They cater to the Amish and Mennonite community. > What surprised me was that they carry a good deal of polyester-blend > fabric. I don't like the stuff and consider it impractical because it > pills something awful, and looks dingy pretty quickly too. Go figure... > Maybe they think blends wear better or something. But they do have 100% > cotton batiste and voile, as well as some other interesting stuff like huck > towelling. > > -- Mara > > "For a nice 100% cotton batiste try Gohn Bros. They have something > Called Zepher Batiste 60" wide for $3.98 per yd. They also carry nice Combed > > Cotton Voile 45" wide for $ 3.49 per yd. Their address is Box 1110 > Middlebury, Indiana 46540. They will send samples for $ .25 ea." > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume I have Gohn Bros. Phone listed as (219) 825-2400 or 1-800-595-0031. I also have an alternate street address as 105 South Main Last I heard their hours were M-Fri 8-5:30 and Sa. 8-5pm. Hope this is still accurate...my printed brochure is a year old. Bettina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 22:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00631 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:33:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B4BgO25934; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B4BKV17370; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:11:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B48uV16870 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:08:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-4-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.4]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1B49EM112618 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <042901c1b2b2$aaf832c0$24882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208153240.02c84020@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020208165335.00a574c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <00e201c1b122$b4127f00$80604e40@suscom.net> <003601c1b174$e53a2400$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for something in the Archives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:10:47 -0500 Status: RO Ummm, considering how many people misspelled Heather Williams, and now misspell Heather Cutler, I'm not surprised people would misspell Carrol.;-p Moira (they even misspelled it on my graduation program- good thing it was right on the diploma!) > > Greetings-- > > > My middle name is Carrol--with two R's. NO ONE ever spells it right. They > > also insist that Dianne should have only one N. > > I know how that one goes. My maiden name is Carroll. Got even worse when I > got married and hyphenated. Now people want to make me Carol Clark, > sometimes even after I explain that no, Carroll-Clark is the *last name*. > > Susan Carroll-Clark (two r's, two l's, and no e--can you tell I do this a > lot?) > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 23:07:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00727 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B4jlO27599; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:45:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B4jLV28458; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:45:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20404.mail.yahoo.com (web20404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1B4hVV27876 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:43:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020211044349.57511.qmail@web20404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.60.146.47] by web20404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:43:49 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200202102351.PAA16220@gw.retro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:43:49 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hmm, I liked this pattern. Well, the instructions were so confusing that I didn't try to fit it to me, just went exactly by the pattern, so the fit is a little less than ideal. Also, my choice of fabrics was, in retrospect, very poor: I used two different corduroys, one plain, one print. When I'm standing still, it looks swell, but as soon as I move the inner layer starts creeping and bunching up because it grabs onto my legs and the outer layer. I've lined the outer layer, and that helped some, but I want to line the inner layer as well. Also, I tend to wear it with a tight long-sleeved shirt underneath. I intend someday to try it again in a more slippery fabric, ideally in a black-and-white polka dot, outer and inner layer reverse colors. Or velvet outer and satin or brocade inner. -Angela --- Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > Looks like someone else had similar problems. From > the "Sew Wrong" > site: > http://www.dollarshort.org/sew/project6173.html > > I had at least planned to do mine in two contrasting > solids, with the > back/wrap-around piece being dark. Simply because I > know what it'd look > like on _me_ otherwise. The photo of her in the > dress shows similar > problems to what I found, most of which could be > fixed by wearing a > corset and a bullet bra as foundation. Her dress > has that same weird > fit in the bodice and it looks like she added a > piece to the waist wrap > as well. (look at the link "unflattering") When I > did the mockup for > mine, I ran through the thought process: > > I _could_ fix this > But do I want to? > How much of a pain would it be? > And wouldn't a long sleeve dress look better on > _me_? > Why not try a different pattern... > > So now I'm waiting for that bullet bra to arrive > (decided I need the right > foundation for the bust) and working on the Folkwear > pattern instead. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com > KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and > Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and > Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 10 23:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00738 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:10:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1B4mkO27695; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B4mPV29561; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:48:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B4kvV29100 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:46:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from PennyLadnier [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id ACBC1B00500; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:46:52 -0600 Message-ID: <009201c1b2b7$00c2a4c0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020210005135.02ba59e0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <5.0.0.25.2.20020210160639.02b44610@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume movies X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:45:59 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, I really don't know. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 05:46:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30610 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:46:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BBOTO09880; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BBO0V28922; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BBNLV28807 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 04:23:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05381.; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:31:31 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:23:29 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] sleeping caps (was: poor clare veils) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1BBNLV28807 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:22:15 +0000 Status: RO Angela wrote: >>>I would like to make myself a sleeping cap, and wondered if anyone could point me to a nice style. (Snip) >I had been thinking of something like a simple little >coif, but I'm sure it would fall off if I didn't tie >it on, and if I did tie it under my chin I'm afraid I >would accidentally choke myself in the night. I have >heard that, through various periods of history, >sleeping caps were common, but I don't really know any >details of what they looked like or how they were kept >on. I can't give you chapter and verse, but my impression from reading 18th and 19th century fiction is that nightcaps commonly were tied under the chin. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 07:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31405 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:04:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BChNO12089; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:43:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BCh0V12958; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BCgHV12824 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:42:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-201-200.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.201.200]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id BCD67370FD for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:42:36 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000501c1b2f9$ad503440$c8c9f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost> <3C55C9AA.1000202@tds.net><3C558889.4172.4F5C87C@localhost><4.3.1.2.20020130050852.00d64e50@mail.frys.com> <3C5AAD3E.C01C3579@in-tch.com><00a901c1ad6a$f290d080$39cdf1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Long hair Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012D_01C1B2EB.A941B940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:02:56 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C1B2EB.A941B940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Jean, You wrote: It's not the veil you have to fiddle with, it's the hair. I braid = mine=20 as tight as I can when wearing veils, but I always find the = movement of=20 the cloth against my head brushes the short wispy bits of hair = around my=20 face out of the braid, and it itches! It's not so bad with a = loose=20 wrapped headcloth, but if I wear the wimple style pinned tightly = around=20 the face, I find I want to take it off at least once during the = day and=20 brush my hair back again. Do you know anyone who has achieved the style with the big knot at = one=20 side of the head? Everyone I know is puzzled by that one. I'll ask round. I know women who have done this with more or less = success, but they are not on the internet. Henk Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C1B2EB.A941B940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Jean,
 
You wrote:
    It's not the veil you have to fiddle with, = it's the=20 hair.  I braid mine
    as tight as I can when = wearing=20 veils, but I always find the movement of
    the = cloth=20 against my head brushes the short wispy bits of hair around my=20
    face out of the braid, and it itches!  = It's not so=20 bad with a loose
    wrapped headcloth, but if I = wear the=20 wimple style pinned tightly around
    the face, I = find I=20 want to take it off at least once during the day and =
   =20 brush my hair back again.

    Do you know anyone = who has=20 achieved the style with the big knot at one
    = side of the=20 head?  Everyone I know is puzzled by that one.

I'll ask = round. I=20 know women who have done this with more or less success, but they are = not on=20 the internet.
 
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate=20 English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own=20 domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C1B2EB.A941B940-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 07:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31409 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:04:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BCheO12112; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:43:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BChIV13006; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:43:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pandora.tiscali.nl (pandora.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.179]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BCgVV12858 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-201-200.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.201.200]) by pandora.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 961093773A for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:42:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000b01c1b2f9$b5886420$c8c9f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com><000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C3_01C1B2F3.4E4F4720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:57:40 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C3_01C1B2F3.4E4F4720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: I know: it does nothing of the kind, and I have to do it by hand, for = which I sometimes don't (want to) find the time.=20
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
<in response to ... by the way, Henk, your email program is = _really_=20
bad about quoting material clearly>
I know: it does nothing of the kind, and I have to do it by hand, = for=20 which I sometimes don't (want to) find the time.

<No, in my highly opinionated opinion, it takes a man to = observe=20 that
<a woman is wearing an absorbant garment covering her = genitalia=20 and
< work round by several stages of weak hypothesis to = conclude that=20 she
< may have been incontinent!  Given the = (appropriately) large=20 amount of
<hedging he includes in his reasoning (" ... if ... = may=20 sometimes ...
<hypothetically might perhaps ...") I'm still = scratching=20 my head over
<his failure to consider the possibility of a = menstrual=20 pad.
I agree.

 
Henk
 
 
Visit the revised and even more colourful tScapreel = website;
Separate=20 English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very = own=20 domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_01C3_01C1B2F3.4E4F4720-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 07:31:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31829 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:31:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BDATO13230; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:10:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDA7V18900; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:10:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from deathrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net (deathrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B2Z0V24860 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123] helo=swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by deathrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16a46F-0006zd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:13:39 -0800 Received: from 1cust122.tnt4.monroe.nc.da.uu.net ([63.20.38.122]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16a45D-0006O2-00; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:12:35 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! From: Grace Morris To: , CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3096213382_71390_MIME_Part" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:16:22 -0500 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3096213382_71390_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 2/9/02 9:24 AM, Saragrace knauf at saragrace@earthlink.net wrote: I could not bring anything like this up. Could you provide whole URL please? Thanks -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Grace Morris Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:49 AM To: SCA-Garb@yahoogroups.com; h-costume@indra.com; costumers@atlantia.sca.org Subject: [h-cost] XVth c. site Here=92s an interesting one... Site.voila.fr/costumesXV Jessamyn=20 OK..... http://Site.voila.fr/costumesXV I just went there... Jessamyn --MS_Mac_OE_3096213382_71390_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! on 2/9/02 9:24 AM, Saragrace knauf at saragrace@earthlink.net wrote:

I could not bring anything= like this up.  Could you provide whole URL please?  Thanks
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From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Grace Morris
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Subject: [h-cost] XVth c. site

Here=92s an interesting one...

Site.voila.fr/costumesXV

Jessamyn

OK.....

http://Site.voila.fr/costumesXV

I just went there...

Jessamyn --MS_Mac_OE_3096213382_71390_MIME_Part-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 07:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31833 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:31:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BDAWO13253; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:10:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDAAV18923; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:10:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1B1toV15608 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:55:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.123.122] ([68.37.192.24]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GRC00DP0IO5NM@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bettina Bierly To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Subject: [h-cost] Steel Hooping Question! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:02:31 -0800 Status: RO Hi All! I hope someone can answer this question fairly soon as I am about to have son#2 any second!... What is the best way to connect the ends of 1/2" steel hooping when it inserted in a skirt? A friend of mine is struggling with this problem as we speak and I have not handled this width myself before. I'm open to your expertise. Thank you kindly! Bettina _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 07:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32138 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:57:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BDaNO14277; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:36:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDa0V24035; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDZpV23993 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:35:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KE5EG74ROW00MQJJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:38:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KE5EG39J7Y00OAWT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:38:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:32:23 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:31:59 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:31:50 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] FO: 1823 and mid-1880's dresses... In-reply-to: <200202091902.g19J2aV18889@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <7712306130@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:31:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > .no, no, mixing things would be *bad*.....ugly visions of early > anglo-saxon gowns decorated with bobbin lace, Been there - seen it done..... 'cept it was probably nylon imitation- bobbin lace.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 08:02:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32166 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:02:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BDfMO14527; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:41:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDf0V25152; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDeLV24994 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:40:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCvlFkUNkEcb8xwT+2QLvW5fK/2LtoP30HA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GTDDT3V4; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:40:33 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton Message-ID: <20020211.074151.-176617.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-6 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:41:51 -0600 Status: RO Hey! Gohn Bros. is not all that far away from me. It's just east of South Bend Indiana which is about a 1 1/2 to 2 hour drive. I've gone to SCA events in the same area! I think I feel a road trip coming on........Especially since that cotton batiste is hard to find in regular fabric stores. Whee! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 08:07:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32192 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:07:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BDkNO14845; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:46:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDk1V26403; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BDjBV26135 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:45:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.71.1a508760 (3699) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:45:20 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <71.1a508760.299924ef@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:45:19 EST Status: RO Several years ago, I bought a lovely yellow Swiss cotton batiste from Cy Rudnick's in Kansas City. They do mail order: Cy Rudnick 202 Crown Center Shops 2450 Grand Kansas City MO 64108 816-842-7808 Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 09:09:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32610 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:09:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BEmOO18437; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:48:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BEm0V13070; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20401.mail.yahoo.com (web20401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1BEl3V12831 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:47:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020211144723.61928.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:47:23 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16c Womens Irish? (sorry if multiple) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020202044736.77007.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:47:23 -0800 (PST) Status: RO This is the third time I am sending this message, but I have not seen it come back through the list yet. --- Sheila wrote: > I was looking at that pink dress by DeHeere, which > you can see here in b&w, > http://www.kelthaven.org/leine/leinepix.html > and was wondering about her hat, does anyone know > what > this is? See this site for more info. on Irish women's headdresses: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fenians/headdress.html Apparently they did some pretty "outlandish" things with wrapped linen headdresses and hats. > I read that he's not a reliable source, No, he's not particularly. The problem is, there really aren't any great sources for this time/place. A couple of similar drawings by other non-Irish, a few written accounts, also mostly by foreigners, and, for women, a surviving garment, the Shinrone gown, discussed in more detail here: http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/fenians/Shinrone/Shinrone.htm but a > friend > likes this style, so I made a simple bodice with > skirt > and sleeves that I left open on the bottom, all from > green-patterned cotton, then I put beige rick-rack > trim on the bodice and sleeves. > Also is this a front-lacing style? In which case > should I put rings on it, or lacing holes? Or is it > better to use hook & eyes? Or is this really a > persona preference question? > Yes, it's definitely a front-lacing style, but how exactly, no one is sure. (I'm inclined to believe in variety, myself.) The Shinrone gown has no evidence of lacing holes or rings, and only slight traces of what might have been thread loops on the inside of the front opening to lace through. I'd not use hooks & eyes, myself, because my gut feeling is that the opening between the front pieces, and the lacing going across it, probably was considered decorative: the gap in the front of the Shinrone gown seems to be quite wide, and in many of the drawings the lacing is a contrasting color to the gown & undergown. Hope this is helpful! -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 10:54:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00805 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:54:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BGXQO27625; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:33:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BGX0V28740; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BGW3V28275 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:32:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30805 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:49:09 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Clothing of Lewis & Clark expedition Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:49:09 -0600 (CST) Status: RO There's a great article on the front page of yesterday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch about artists' struggle to accurately depict the clothing of Lewis and Clark and their colleagues. The article mentions, in passing, two upcoming books on the topic, and quotes quite a few prominent regional artists. It's worth reading all the way through, assuming you have any interest in this, as some of the good stuff is at the end. You'll find it at: http://home.post-dispatch.com/channel/pdweb.nsf/6e56f5328304fd5685256a0f005ed358/86256a0e0068fe5086256b5c003ebcba?OpenDocument If that URL breaks, you'll need to paste it all in one line. Or else go to http://home.post-dispatch.com/channel/pdweb.nsf/sunday then select A-Section, and look for the article on "Artists ask: What did Lewis and Clark wear?" The archives allow free viewing for only a couple of weeks. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 12:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01425 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:58:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BIZbO12766; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:35:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BIZ2V15856; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BIYgV15643 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:34:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p148.directcon.net [209.79.209.197]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16328; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:34:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020211103129.007ca2f0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, "H-Costume@Indra. Com" From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steel Hooping Question! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:31:29 -0800 Status: RO At 09:02 PM 02/10/2002 -0800, Bettina Bierly wrote: >Hi All! I hope someone can answer this question fairly soon as I am about >to have son#2 any second!... >What is the best way to connect the ends of 1/2" steel hooping when it >inserted in a skirt? I do it one of two ways: The first, and Only Proper And Right Way, according to a facist costume shop manager I once worked under, is to cut the hooping with a 2" overlap. Wrap each end neatly with surgical adhesive tape to neaten them and keep the wires from snagging on the fabric. Then use a drill with a small bit and drill two holes in each end, matching the spacing. Thread a needle with strong thread, Intrinsic or button thread, and take five or six stitches through the holes. Knot off. This makes it easy to snip the threads later, if you want to remove the hoops for cleaning. The second way, which I do much more often, is to overlap the ends and wrap the whole thing with tape. It's messier to remove, but it's faster and easier at the front end. There is another option: Farthingales.com carries hoop connectors, metal casings into which the hoop ends snap. They're $2.58 or $2.30 each, depending on the width of your hooping. Those are Canadian prices. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 13:07:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01505 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:07:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BIiTO13918; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:44:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BIi5V21061; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BIhCV20450 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020211184329.TDWA1672.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:43:29 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steel Hooping Question! Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c6a0abe.344258797@mail.attbi.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1BIhCV20450 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:41:52 GMT Status: RO On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:02:31 -0800, the following was written in this electric book by Bettina Bierly : >Hi All! I hope someone can answer this question fairly soon as I am about >to have son#2 any second!... >What is the best way to connect the ends of 1/2" steel hooping when it >inserted in a skirt? A friend of mine is struggling with this problem as >we speak and I have not handled this width myself before. >I'm open to your expertise. Thank you kindly! There are several kinds of steel hooping on the market. Since I don't know what kind your friend is having trouble with, I'm going to give advice for all I know about. ----------- If it is 1/2" wide, two-narrow-steels, buckram wrapped hooping (the type shown on Lacis website, scroll down from top to see it: http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/descn_s.html#costume ): First the hoops must be inserted into the casings, if casings are used (I've used this for full fabric hoops and cage-type hoops). Pull both tnds out far enough to work with. Punch three holes at each end, overlap ends (being sure that you have not twisted the hoop), and lace wire or wire twist-ties through two or three times to secure, twist together ends of wire, and wrap over with a cloth-type adhesive tape to protect the casings from snags. Done! ---------- If it is solid steel 1/2" hooping, (painted, plastic covered, thread covered or cloth-covered): Quick and dirty: Overlap ends, and secure with two or three layers of cloth adhesive tape (like gaffer's tape or medical tape). Done. Fancy, time consuming and more permanent: Purchase a 5/8" (this is approximate - you may need to get a couple different diameters, squash them flat, and test them for the right interieor diameter) copper, brass or aluminum tube (these are often avaialble at hobby shops and hardware stores). You will also need a small pipecutter or hobbysaw to cut the tubing into sections, about 2" long. Squash the cut sections gently with a pair of pliers until they are mostly flat and fit them over one end of each hoop. You may need to practice to get them exactly right. Once you have one end of the hoop in the squashed tube, insert the other end of the hoop (again, make sure that the hoop isn't twisted). check that they are each using about half the length of the tube, then crimp down hard with the pliers (or a pair of wire cutters) to secure the tube over the steels. This will work best on thread or cloth covered steels; painted or plastic covered steels may need a drop or two of glue to secure tehm fully. Done. ---------- If it is the specific type fitted (plastic covered 1/2" hoop steel sold by Farthingales): You can buy connectors to hold the ends together from them. http://www.farthingales.on.ca/bones.php#Hoopsteel Maura Bass ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 14:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01962 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:05:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BJhKO20279; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:43:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BJgsV24012; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:42:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BJecV22738 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.188] (pm5-188.eos.net [205.133.149.188]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17299 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202110413.g1B4DOV17981@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: blends & amish/mennonite Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:34:22 -0500 Status: RO I read a very funny article once by a hippie-type woman who went to live with the Amish so she could absorb some of their spirit and learn to make artsy quilts. The article wasn't intentionally funny, it was just obvious that the Amish considered her batty. Well, the obligatory costume content is that this woman had a hard time buying all-cotton fabrics from the Amish stores. Apparently the Amish women all want blends, so they don't have to do as much ironing. Makes sense to me! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 14:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02428 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:30:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BK9TO23024; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:09:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BK95V08788; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:09:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BK6QV07321 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:06:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g1BK8cm13628 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:08:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200202112008.g1BK8cm13628@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] make your own shoes? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:08:38 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Has anyone read -- or used - this book? http://www.marywalesloomis.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 14:44:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02478 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:44:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BKMRO24597; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:22:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BKM1V15773; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BKLJV15370 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA25216 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:39:21 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202112039.MAA25216@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:39:21 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >Where did you order your bullet bra from? >I've been toying with the idea of trying to make one, but if there's >some place that I can buy them ready-made, I'd be really happy. Which is what I thought when I found these. ;} Bought mine from Vicki's Nylons. She had some supply problems right before christmas, but they seem to be solved now. http://vickisnylons.com/BBra/bbra.htm Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 15:05:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02581 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:04:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BKhPO26860; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:43:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BKh0V27925; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BKgBV27467 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p220.directcon.net [209.233.107.220]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02401; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:42:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020211123737.007beb30@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] make your own shoes? In-Reply-To: <200202112008.g1BK8cm13628@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:37:37 -0800 Status: RO At 12:08 PM 02/11/2002 -0800, Heather Meadows wrote: > > >Has anyone read -- or used - this book? > >http://www.marywalesloomis.com > I have! If you want to make variations on modern high heeled pumps, it's great. If you're looking for techniques to make pre 16th century shoes, or soft flat slippers or boots, it won't do you much good. She has you make a plaster cast of your feet to use as a last, so it's good for people with funny shaped feet. Her technique is actually modified from millinery methods, stretching buckram and fabric over the last. You still need to buy, or salvage, heels and hardware like nails, braces, etc. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 16:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02944 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1BLiSO08387; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BLi1V08108; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1BLhDV07508 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:43:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1BLiad17311 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17159 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:47:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern In-Reply-To: <200202112039.MAA25216@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:47:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Speaking of which, does anyone know of a good pattern for a 1940s-1950s type girdle/long-line bra? Thanks, Drea On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > >Where did you order your bullet bra from? > >I've been toying with the idea of trying to make one, but if there's > >some place that I can buy them ready-made, I'd be really happy. > > Which is what I thought when I found these. ;} > Bought mine from Vicki's Nylons. She had some supply problems right > before christmas, but they seem to be solved now. > > http://vickisnylons.com/BBra/bbra.htm > > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 18:26:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03540 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C04VM07889; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:04:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C041V29768; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1C03WV29496 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:03:32 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 5224 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080133.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.133) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 00:03:31 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211180501.009e6010@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] make your own shoes? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020211123737.007beb30@pop.directcon.net> References: <200202112008.g1BK8cm13628@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:09:44 -0600 Status: RO At 12:37 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Has anyone read -- or used - this book? > > > >http://www.marywalesloomis.com > >I have! If you want to make variations on modern high heeled pumps, it's >great. If you're looking for techniques to make pre 16th century shoes, or >soft flat slippers or boots, it won't do you much good. > >She has you make a plaster cast of your feet to use as a last, so it's good >for people with funny shaped feet. Her technique is actually modified from >millinery methods, stretching buckram and fabric over the last. You still >need to buy, or salvage, heels and hardware like nails, braces, etc. > >Margo I'll second this review. The instructions are very clear and there are good pictures for each step. I haven't tried it yet, but the techniques look pretty straight forward. Go to your local library and request it through interlibrary loan. It's pretty simple to get since there are a good number of them floating around various libraries. Sheryl Nance-Durst (who always has to put in a suggestion for your local library, being a librarian and all!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 18:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03576 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:30:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C09XM08408; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:09:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C091V02411; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1C08FV02032 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 6378 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 00:08:14 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080133.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.133) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 00:08:14 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211181057.009e25c0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton In-Reply-To: <71.1a508760.299924ef@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:14:27 -0600 Status: RO Aha! I finally get to gloat about being near a good fabric store! Cy Rudnick's is really great. And some of the people from the local Renaissance festival have worked there part-time to get employee discounts -- which means that they are generally sympathetic to costumers. The prices are not always the lowest, but the quality of the fabric is fantastic. Sheryl Nance-Durst At 08:45 AM 2/11/02 -0500, you wrote: >Several years ago, I bought a lovely yellow Swiss cotton batiste from Cy >Rudnick's in Kansas City. They do mail order: >Cy Rudnick >202 Crown Center Shops >2450 Grand >Kansas City MO 64108 >816-842-7808 > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 18:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03581 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:33:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C0CPM08796; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:12:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C0C1V04017; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1C0BgV03874 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 17:11:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7222 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 00:11:41 -0000 Received: from tnt0-080133.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.80.133) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 00:11:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211181639.009f31e0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern In-Reply-To: <200202112039.MAA25216@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:17:54 -0600 Status: RO At 12:39 PM 2/11/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Where did you order your bullet bra from? > >I've been toying with the idea of trying to make one, but if there's > >some place that I can buy them ready-made, I'd be really happy. > >Which is what I thought when I found these. ;} >Bought mine from Vicki's Nylons. She had some supply problems right >before christmas, but they seem to be solved now. > >http://vickisnylons.com/BBra/bbra.htm > > >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 You are a jewel! The prices are pretty reasonable, too. Thanks! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 21:00:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04264 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:00:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C2dSM19040; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2d1V27422; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2c0V27053 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2161.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.161]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31038 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:38:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3C687F12.74B36D1F@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com><000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> <000b01c1b2f9$b5886420$c8c9f1c3@henk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:33:54 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I'll have to ask around, but I once had an image from the side of a medieval choirstall (misericorde) from a church in England that showed a woman dropping her briefs in order to urinate (I vaguely remember that this was the conjecture for why she was doing this). I'll have to find it. It seems as if there is enough evidence at least to say that it was not a common practice, although ruling it out would not be sensible, either. What was the interest of the original poster for this subject, if I may ask? Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 21:12:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04337 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:12:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C2pVM19784; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:51:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2p5V01076; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2oDV00802 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:50:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.62.1ab583fe (4530) for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:50:25 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <62.1ab583fe.2999dcf0@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency muslin/cotton To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:50:24 EST Status: RO I also got some very nice maroon wool there that I used for my first Regency man's coat attempt. But I didn't buy enough, so did I have to squeak it out! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 21:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04354 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:15:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C2sQM19908; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:54:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2s1V01904; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2rBV01660 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:53:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.195.253] (as3-4-11.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.195.253]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1C2rYc22599 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:53:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C663E08.23128.113C2A@localhost> References: <3C66BBE3.6386F71F@bigpond.com> <3C663E08.23128.113C2A@localhost> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:43:32 -0800 Status: RO At 9:31 AM +0000 2/10/02, Jane Williams wrote: >On 10 Feb 2002 at 1:05, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Claire Clarke writes, in a message sent 10:28 AM 2/10/02 -0800: > >> >There is a notable one I've seen dating from middle-latish >>fifteenth century, >> >it is a painting of someone's fool (ie that is his job) but he is wearing >> >normal >> >clothes not motley. He has a tiny little button and a fairly large hook on >> >his shirt > >> That's a Breughel, and is also in Davenport. The hooks and eyes are about >> half an inch long, and unfastened so one can see them. His jacket looks >> like it was crocheted together out of leather scraps by some hippie. I >> don't think it's real crochet, but that's the look. > >Crochet? (Eyes light up!) If it is real crochet, it's the earliest >evidence I know of by a few >hundred years. So what's the picture? Which Breughel? I've seen some books that suggest a questionable attribution to Peter Breughel the Elder, but there are other books that firmly suggest an attribution to Jean Fouquet. There's nothing in the painting even vaguely related to crochet -- but there's an object lesson in the ways in which familiar modern reference points can shape and interfere with our discussions of historic items. Kayta mentioned a visual resemblance to something "crocheted together out of leather scraps by some hippie", but this is simple an impressionistic visual image -- no more evidence for crochet in the 15th century than it is for hippies in the 15th century. Looking at the same painting, the first modern reference point that jumped into my head was, "It looks kind of like those shearling coats where you've got a line of fleece showing at all the seams", but this again is a description of a vague visual impression and not an attempt to describe the actual technique. In both cases, what we're reacting to is a garment made of a pale, smooth, relatively featureless material broken into strips and regions by thick lines of something dark and textured that stands out from the surface of the fabric. Both the image of "scraps of leather crocheted together" and "shearling with the fleece showing at the seams" are existing images that we had in our minds to which we compared the visual effect. In point of fact, any examination of the painting at greater detail than a brief glance easily contradicts both images. The garment _might_ be made of leather, but it's definitely not sheared fleece, and in fact it's much more likely to be a very smoothly finished, fulled wool in a solid color. The darker bands _do_ in some cases follow the lines of seams or probable seams, but they appear to be a trim laid on top, not a decorative joining method. And they _do_ appear to have a slight pile, but it appears to be manufactured decoration and not natural tufting. The hook-and-eye fastening, on the other hand, is extremely clearly depicted , and not only are the hooks and eyes virtually indistinguishable in form from certain styles of modern commercial products, but it's also clear that the large buttons that are also visible on the garment are purely decorative (for example, no buttonholes are visible) and that the hooks and eyes form the entire front fastening. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 21:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04365 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:16:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C2tUM20017; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:55:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2t4V02240; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:55:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2sVV02059 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:54:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02115 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:11:35 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-Reply-To: <3C687F12.74B36D1F@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:11:34 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi, All. I'll have to ask around, but I once had an image from the > side of a medieval choirstall (misericorde) from a church in England > that showed a woman dropping her briefs in order to urinate (I vaguely > remember that this was the conjecture for why she was doing this). > I'll have to find it. It seems as if there is enough evidence at least > to say that it was not a common practice, although ruling it out would > not be sensible, either. What was the interest of the original poster > for this subject, if I may ask? Mike T. There was a discussion on this list a few years ago about a misericorde that showed a woman wearing breeches. IIRC, the location was uncertain, and I remember raising the caution that popular themes for misericordes included proverbs and role-reversals, either of which might explain an image of a woman wearing a man's pants. What would be most useful in such a case is to see what other images are on the other misericordes from the same site, as often you will find many similar themes grouped together. If there is really strong interest in this, I will dig up the thread. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 21:29:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04414 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:29:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C38QM21181; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C381V06405; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C37WV06217 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2161.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.161]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19814 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:07:51 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6885FF.F0589D5E@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear pattern - Bolivian milkmaid jacket References: <000501c1b0b5$b8fc5bc0$873c6a8d@its.mcw.edu.aghlab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:03:27 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. My wife made the same observation, so we looked at the pattern and compared it to the line drawing of the jacket in Cut of Women's Clothes. The basic shape is the same, but a few construction details are different. For example, the V&A jacket (if it is the one I am thinking of, it is dated 1625-30) has a round neck, the back panel is very narrow, the gores are much larger and the sleeves are much fuller, with ties at the wrist and no cuffs. There is one in the Burrill Collection that has smaller gores (only 5, with none added in between the back and front panel seams), but it has shoulder tabs, cuffed narrow sleeves (folded back, it appears) and a collar and is dated 1600-25. One in an old Metropolitan catalog shows no gores at all. Pgs. 148-150 in Fashion in Detail shows some of the varieties seen in extant pieces. In answer to the question, it is close, and a few modifications could be made to get it to work. (Mara, you might have seen Leigh's yellow linen one last year at SMC that we made up from a few of the variants of existing jackets). I do the pattern drafting in the house, so I can't really point you in any good direction except to say that you could probably play around with some muslin and do some modifications. Drea, I seem to remember a similar jacket that you did, yes? Mike T. mls wrote: > I was wondering if the late-period experts could answer/comment on the > following: > > The Folkwear pattern for the 'Bolivian milkmaid jacket' (with gores in the > peplum) has always reminded me of a polychrome embroidered 16th C jacket > with silver gilt lace in the V&A (I believe it is pictured in the G.W. > Digby's book). Are my untutored eyes (and wishful thinking - can't sew much > of anything without a pattern) deceiving me? > > thanks! > Marie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 22:08:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04627 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:08:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C3kSM23798; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:46:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C3k1V17650; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C3jIV17448 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:45:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1C3kMb06455 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:46:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020211213422.0309a660@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <200202100000.g1A00WM05149@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] speaking of archeological info... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:35:25 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, speaking of archeological info, I was wondering if anyone has the bibliographic info for the books on the York Coppergate finds? Anyone know where I can get my hands on copies? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 22:13:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04643 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:13:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C3pRM24077; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C3p1V18929; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C3oKV18724 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:50:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-1377.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.11.107]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1C3of9154990 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6890E3.F8D595D7@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] XVth c. site-can't find this site! References: <3C657472.4D5735D1@gti.net> <3C65B1E2.D65B34ED@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:49:55 -0600 Status: RO Heather Rose Jones wrote: > >I took a quick look. I found plenty of pictures of men's clothing. Did > >I miss the women's? > > The writer seems to be primarily concerned with what Jeanne d'Arc > might have worn during the period when she was wearing men's clothing. Ah! I read French *very* slowly and hadn't had a chance to discover that. Thanks, --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 22:15:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04651 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:15:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C3rQM24178; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:53:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C3r1V19544; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C3qCV19318 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:52:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1C3rHb12187 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:53:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020211215354.00a78c90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20020208123341.00a710e0@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020208135558.02cdadc0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> <00f601c1a3ce$2f90e520$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:54:13 -0600 Status: RO At 12:39 PM 2/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: >At 01:57 PM 2/8/02 -0600, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: >>Greetings, >> >>http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/tradition.html I must admit my >>concept of the fabrics got shaken up a bit. : ) > >Yes, this fabric will work. You might enjoy looking at this book: > >A Lady of Fashion, Barabara Johnson's Album of Styles and Fabrics, edited by >Natalie Rothstein, Thames & Hudson Pub., NY, 1987. > >It's a wonderful, big book with photos of fabric swatches. The colors and >variety >will amaze you. > >Sally Norton Thank you! I will definitely look it up. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 22:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04801 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:30:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C49RM25036; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:09:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C491V24241; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C48VV24089 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:08:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.195.253] (as3-4-11.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.195.253]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1C48sc08301 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:08:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C687F12.74B36D1F@dandy.net> References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com><000301c1b154$5b7ef260 $0ac7f1c3@henk> <000b01c1b2f9$b5886420$c8c9f1c3@henk> <3C687F12.74B36D1F@dandy.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:17:08 -0800 Status: RO At 9:33 PM -0500 2/11/02, leigh tartaglio wrote: >Hi, All. I'll have to ask around, but I once had an image from the side >of a medieval choirstall (misericorde) from a church in England that >showed a woman dropping her briefs in order to urinate (I vaguely >remember that this was the conjecture for why she was doing this). I'll >have to find it. It seems as if there is enough evidence at least to say >that it was not a common practice, although ruling it out would not be >sensible, either. What was the interest of the original poster for this >subject, if I may ask? Mike T. I love misericorde art -- you get some interesting angles on everyday material culture. One thing to be aware of, though, is that there seems to have been an entire genre of misericorde art on the theme "who wears the pants in the marriage?", that is, on images of women appropriating men's garments as a symbol of (inappropriate) dominance in the marriage. (There are several "battle of the sexes" motifs that seem to show up over and over again on misericordes. Another favorite is an image of Aristotle being ridden like a horse by his mistress.) I've been keeping my eyes out for evidence on medieval women wearing or not wearing underpants for a long time, and every time I think I've found a clear example, some sort of annoying contextual problem like this rears its head. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 11 23:45:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05353 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C5ObM29135; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C5O0V15191; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C5NuV15166 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g1C5Q6Q16147 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:26:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200202120526.g1C5Q6Q16147@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020211215354.00a78c90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> "from Danielle Nunn-Weinberg at Feb 11, 2002 09:54:13 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:26:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Those of you that bought this fabric -- how much would you recommend getting for a regency gown? size 14 figure ;) > At 12:39 PM 2/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >At 01:57 PM 2/8/02 -0600, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > >>Greetings, > >> > >>http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/tradition.html I must admit my > >>concept of the fabrics got shaken up a bit. : ) > > > >Yes, this fabric will work. You might enjoy looking at this book: > > > >A Lady of Fashion, Barabara Johnson's Album of Styles and Fabrics, edited by > >Natalie Rothstein, Thames & Hudson Pub., NY, 1987. > > > >It's a wonderful, big book with photos of fabric swatches. The colors and > >variety > >will amaze you. > > > >Sally Norton > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 02:20:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01486 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:20:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C7xTM05566; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:59:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C7x1V24902; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C7woV24854 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from PennyLadnier [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AB4314304B8; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:58:59 -0600 Message-ID: <016301c1b39a$d0c9b4e0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothing of Lewis & Clark expedition X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:56:44 -0500 Status: RO Robin, Thanks for posting the URL. I giggled as I read the article. One of Lewis' coats from the expedition is in the Valentine Museum's costume and textile collection. When I was doing my internship, I had to re-bag all the men's costumes. (I had a blast! I like menswear.) That is when I came across it. It is rather well-worn. It was great to work with such a wonderful piece of history. A couple of years later, someone from the museum gave me a photo of the coat. I have seen the photo in a book before but can not recall which one. I did write the reporter about the photo at the Valentine. Maybe someone could use a copy who is working on the project. BTW, I also had to re-bag all the bridal gowns. They have the largest collection of bridal gowns in the US. What a thrill! I loved looking at all the styles and seeing how they were put together. I wish I had time to go back and re-bag some more sections of the collection... such a great learning experience! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 02:21:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01495 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:21:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C80RM05624; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:00:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C800V25112; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C7x8V24935 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-86.frys.com [66.121.20.86]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1C80D627386 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:00:13 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020210233635.00d44d10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] India shawl place (cheap) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:08:05 -0800 Status: RO I just bought a really cool hand-embroidered India shawl today. Some only had embroidered borders. Some had embroidered borders and corners. Some had embroidered borders and ends. One had embroidered borders and corners, plus a big sprawl of embroidery like where the flap of an envelope is (to imagine this, picture the whole 3' x 6' shawl spread out). Some had embroidered borders plus either flowers and vines, or 'paisleys', sprinkled all over. There were red, dark blue, taupe, green, and black ones. I got a taupe one sprinkled with big 'paisleys', for 1800-1820 and for mundane. (A cream or yellow one with 'paisley'-embroidered borders and ends would have been perfect for 1800-1820.) I was impressed that these were less than $50 (they were on sale) when I've been seeing similar things for much more. The proprietress said she always carries these shawls in winter, so I don't know if other places have them but I suspect they do. She said hers were not cashmere, just nice wool. The place is called Fashion Fabrics and Gifts, 936 E. El Camino Real, in Sunnyvale; a saree place with all of the usual saree stuff. I am the basic happy customer crowing about yet another source, and not otherwise affiliated. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 02:21:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01500 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:21:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C80WM05640; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:00:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C806V25144; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C7x9V24943 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:59:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-86.frys.com [66.121.20.86]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1C80E627392 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:00:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020211234930.00d9bce0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodice ties 1 In-Reply-To: <3C663E08.23128.113C2A@localhost> References: <4.3.1.2.20020210010312.00e4be10@mail.frys.com> <3C66BBE3.6386F71F@bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:57:29 -0800 Status: RO > > half an inch long, and unfastened so one can see them. His jacket looks > > like it was crocheted together out of leather scraps by some hippie. I > > don't think it's real crochet, but that's the look. > >Crochet? (Eyes light up!) If it is real crochet, it's the earliest >evidence I know of by a few >hundred years. So what's the picture? Which Breughel? It's NOT crochet. It just looks like the thing Hippies did with crochet and leather scraps. It's buttonhole stitch, which gives about the same effect. I don't know which Breughel it is. The grizzled old guy has his arms folded, and has a great big yarn button on the doublet, which also looks like crochet but isn't. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 02:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01555 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1C8PSM06270; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:25:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C8P1V00992; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C8OnV00927 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 01:24:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0439.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.13.185]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1C8PDP130140 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3C68D15A.6BDC6783@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> <001e01c1b27f$f33f7ee0$01fea8c0@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:24:58 -0600 Status: RO Rowena wrote: > ok - the original edition from Rutgers doesn't have anything except the > Norlund part, either. So where do you find the others? They sound > fascinating, too. IIRC, the articles were each published separately and as bound volumes of several articles. Your best bet is interlibrary loan. You can occasionally find them for sale, but they aren't cheap. I once found the complete set for around US$15,000. --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 06:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02215 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 06:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CBoWM12519; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CBo1V26154; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CBnNV26036 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KE6P0NKV2800KZXM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:51:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KE6P0KZFRC00OH55@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:45:59 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:45:31 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.69) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:45:28 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... In-reply-to: <200202120412.g1C4ClV25331@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3B6CB042137@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:45:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Hi, All. I'll have to ask around, but I once had an image from the > side of a medieval choirstall (misericorde) from a church in England > that showed a woman dropping her briefs in order to urinate (I vaguely > remember that this was the conjecture for why she was doing this). > I'll have to find it. It seems as if there is enough evidence at least > to say that it was not a common practice, although ruling it out would > not be sensible, either. What was the interest of the original poster > for this subject, if I may ask? I posted it originally from a costumer who isn't subscribed to h- costume, I hadn't previously seen the stuff she told me about. She's interested in it for her own costume making and research and I asked her if she'd mind me posting the info she had to the list. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 07:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06741 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CCuVM14516; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:56:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CCu1V09568; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CCtXV09458 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:55:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.123.122] ([68.37.193.191]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020212125559.CHAL20541.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[192.168.123.122]> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 04:55:59 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steel Hooping Question! From: Bettina Bierly To: "H-Costume@Indra. Com" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020211103129.007ca2f0@pop.directcon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:03:05 -0800 Status: RO on 2/11/02 10:31 AM, Margo Anderson at margo@margospatterns.com wrote: > At 09:02 PM 02/10/2002 -0800, Bettina Bierly wrote: >> Hi All! I hope someone can answer this question fairly soon as I am about >> to have son#2 any second!... >> What is the best way to connect the ends of 1/2" steel hooping when it >> inserted in a skirt? > > I do it one of two ways: The first, and Only Proper And Right Way, > according to a facist costume shop manager I once worked under, is to cut > the hooping with a 2" overlap. Wrap each end neatly with surgical adhesive > tape to neaten them and keep the wires from snagging on the fabric. Then > use a drill with a small bit and drill two holes in each end, matching the > spacing. Thread a needle with strong thread, Intrinsic or button thread, > and take five or six stitches through the holes. Knot off. This makes it > easy to snip the threads later, if you want to remove the hoops for cleaning. > > The second way, which I do much more often, is to overlap the ends and wrap > the whole thing with tape. It's messier to remove, but it's faster and > easier at the front end. > > There is another option: Farthingales.com carries hoop connectors, metal > casings into which the hoop ends snap. They're $2.58 or $2.30 each, > depending on the width of your hooping. Those are Canadian prices. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Thank you so much! I'll let you know how it all turns out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 09:42:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07502 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CFKqM22892; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CFKMV21888; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:20:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CFJiV21563 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.98] (pm4-098.eos.net [205.133.149.98]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19355 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:15:55 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202120410.g1C4A1V24536@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] re: joan of arc site Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:13:42 -0500 Status: RO I read French, but not well, and there is a LOT of text here. Just glancing at it, though, I see that the illustrations seem to be old. Is this just a transcription of the book, which was from the 1920s if I recall? Or does it have some new information? If it's a translation of the book some of the information will be good, but construction ideas, etc., will be out of date. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 11:29:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08145 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:29:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CH8KM05165; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CH80127779; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CH7Z127395 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:07:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1CH7ZaW008434 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:07:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Folkwear pattern - Bolivian milkmaid jacket In-Reply-To: <3C6885FF.F0589D5E@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:07:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > (Mara, you might have seen Leigh's yellow linen one last year at SMC that we > made up from a few of the variants of existing jackets). I do the pattern > drafting in the house, so I can't really point you in any good direction except > to say that you could probably play around with some muslin and do some > modifications. Drea, I seem to remember a similar jacket that you did, yes? Mike > T. Yes, I do; looked good! I've drafted up my own early 17th c. jacket pattern, based on the ones in Waugh and Arnold. Starting with a ready-made jacket pattern that is close, and modifying it to match a period design, would be a big help for someone starting out from scratch. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 11:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08162 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:31:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CHA1M05426; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CHA1129519; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CH8S128137 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:08:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA22369.; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:16:18 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:08:19 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] re: joan of arc site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1CH8S128137 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:07:55 +0000 Status: RO Yes, they seem to imply that it's a transcription, to make the book available to more people - and they say the book doesn't include women's clothes. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> gailscott@eos.net 02/12/02 03:13pm >>> I read French, but not well, and there is a LOT of text here. Just glancing at it, though, I see that the illustrations seem to be old. Is this just a transcription of the book, which was from the 1920s if I recall? Or does it have some new information? If it's a translation of the book some of the information will be good, but construction ideas, etc., will be out of date. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 12:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08489 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:42:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CIL2M14453; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIL0115155; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1CIKH114709 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26691 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 18:20:16 -0000 Received: from 66-81-33-186-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.33.186) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 18:20:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3C68B391.F714F956@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Linen Hose Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:17:53 -0800 Status: RO Ok it's official, I'm crazy and this list is a dangerous place! I found at my local thrift shop a lovely piece of sage green linen weave. I figure its cotton, and would make a nice tablecloth. I get it home run a flame test, and it comes out Real Linen. So no way am I going to just cover a table with it. The piece is 60" x 60" which makes it too small for a tunic, and I don't just want to use it as trim and lining. The color is just perfect for me and it will go well with the new 13th century tunic I am making. So the brain starts to think, and the next thing I know I am measuring myself for a pair of Hose. Now in all my years of costuming I have never made hose out of anything but knits. It's not period, but it's quick and simple. I tried a quick drape with the linen over my leg and I feel it will work out fine, lots of stretch. So, am I crazy, or could this work? Stephen - Who is starting to feel this is some how Henk's bad influence. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 12:51:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08523 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:51:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CIU1M15519; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIU0120119; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:30:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CITH119713 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16b.8aaa677 (16637) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <16b.8aaa677.299ab8f2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16b.8aaa677.299ab8f2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:29:06 EST Status: RO --part1_16b.8aaa677.299ab8f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you cut your linen on a bias it will have plenty of stretch (unless you plan to wear your hose doing yoga). But you are going to have to be careful about your seam as linen will ravel if you give it half a chance and putting any stress on it is more than half a chance. Good luck, keep us updated on your progress and post pictures when you are done. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_16b.8aaa677.299ab8f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      If you cut your linen on a bias it will have plenty of stretch (unless you plan to wear your hose doing yoga).  But you are going to have to be careful about your seam as linen will ravel if you give it half a chance and putting any stress on it is more than half a chance.  Good luck, keep us updated on your progress and post pictures when you are done.

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--part1_16b.8aaa677.299ab8f2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 13:02:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08572 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:02:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CIf1M16954; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIf0126752; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIe4126198 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hrofi.demon.co.uk ([158.152.7.203]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ahqS-000IJ8-0Z for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:40:00 +0000 From: ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1CIe4126198 Subject: [h-cost] Ordinary Sailor's dress, c1680-1730 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:38:45 +0000 Status: RO Hi, Has anyone got any good information on the dress of ordinary sailors (particularly Royal Navy) c.1680-1730. I've seen plenty of modern paintings showing baggy canvas 'petticoat' breeches and shirts, but is there anything to support this from the period? And did they have any other clothing such as coats, jackets, hats, etc.? I'm paruiculary interested if anyone knows of any period images of ordinary sailors. Thanks Ben Levick Military Officer - L'Age D'Or http://www.kipar.org/kirkes.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 13:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08649 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:19:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CIw4M18668; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:58:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIw1106474; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:58:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIv0105823 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.155] (as-5-44.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.30]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1CIux115720 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:57:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C68D15A.6BDC6783@flash.net> References: <20020208172247.96025.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> <000301c1b154$5b7ef260$0ac7f1c3@henk> <00bf01c1b23d$0af28660$01fea8c0@vaio> <001e01c1b27f$f33f7ee0$01fea8c0@vaio> <3C68D15A.6BDC6783@flash.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Evidence of pre16th century womens underwear.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:15:31 -0800 Status: RO At 2:24 AM -0600 2/12/02, Charlene Charette wrote: >Rowena wrote: > >> ok - the original edition from Rutgers doesn't have anything except the >> Norlund part, either. So where do you find the others? They sound >> fascinating, too. > >IIRC, the articles were each published separately and as bound volumes >of several articles. Your best bet is interlibrary loan. You can >occasionally find them for sale, but they aren't cheap. I once found >the complete set for around US$15,000. When I bought mine, I was lucky that the bookseller _didn't_ have a complete set, or he wouldn't have been willing to sell me only a couple volumes! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 13:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08653 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:19:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CIwJM18697; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:58:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIwH106631; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:58:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIv4105839 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:57:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.155] (as-5-44.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.30]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1CIv3116007 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:57:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] re: joan of arc site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:17:55 -0800 Status: RO At 10:13 AM -0500 2/12/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >I read French, but not well, and there is a LOT of text here. Just glancing >at it, though, I see that the illustrations seem to be old. Is this just a >transcription of the book, which was from the 1920s if I recall? Or does it >have some new information? If it's a translation of the book some of the >information will be good, but construction ideas, etc., will be out of date. There should be a thread from some time in the last half year or so on this book. It isn't new work, and the usefulness of the pattern diagrams varies widely, depending on whether the author had an actual garment to work with or whether he was coming up with his best guess for construction. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09254 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:13:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CKq6M01984; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CKq1111849; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CKpY111586 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:51:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:51:28 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.53 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:51:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.53] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2002 20:51:28.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AC2BDB0:01C1B407] Subject: [h-cost] searching for glass bangle bracelets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:51:27 -0500 Status: RO A friend, knowing that I have all of these 'cool contacts' on various email lists has come to me with a quest. She is looking for glass bracelets, bangle-like, suitable for generic early period (Roman, celtic, etc) SCA usage. She says that she can find authentic ones (including lab reports) from archeological digs, but no new ones... Does anybody have any hints I can pass on to her? Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 15:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09278 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CKw6M02597; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:58:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CKw3115237; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1CKvt115159 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:57:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17198 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 20:57:52 -0000 Received: from 66-81-65-65-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.65.65) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 20:57:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3C68D87F.E870B1F2@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] searching for glass bangle bracelets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:55:27 -0800 Status: RO Well I always start with ebay. That can sometimes give you some good leads. Also I believe that they still make glass bangles in India. So she might try looking from that angle. Stephen Parsla Liepa wrote: > > A friend, knowing that I have all of these 'cool contacts' on various > email lists has come to me with a quest. She is looking for glass > bracelets, bangle-like, suitable for generic early period (Roman, celtic, > etc) SCA usage. She says that she can find authentic ones > (including lab reports) from archeological digs, but no new ones... > > Does anybody have any hints I can pass on to her? > > Parsla > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09690 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:02:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CMfKM15847; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:41:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CMfH123021; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net (mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CMes122778 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from tolt489 by mr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: [153.39.154.23]) id QQmbyg23887 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:40:54 GMT Message-Id: From: "Jessica Wilbur" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose Priority: normal In-reply-to: <16b.8aaa677.299ab8f2@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:41:42 -0500 Status: RO On 12 Feb 02, at 13:29, LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > If you cut your linen on a bias it will have plenty of stretch > (unless > you plan to wear your hose doing yoga). But you are going to have to > be careful about your seam as linen will ravel if you give it half a > chance and putting any stress on it is more than half a chance. Good > luck, keep us updated on your progress and post pictures when you are > done. > > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, I've made several pairs of linen hosen, and the way I solve the fraying problem is by finishing the seams. A French seam is usually what I use - take the seam allowance, fold it under and stitch it down with a running stitch. I think that's a French seam - I may have my terminology mixed up! But I don't have a problem with the fabric fraying. If you're doing the type of hosen with the leg piece ending in an M shape and with two "gores" (for lack of a better word) to cover the feet, you might want to use a flat-felled seam to finish the edges around the gores. Because of the way they fit in, it makes a French seam (or whatever I described above) almost impossible. But I'm terrible at inserting gores. This is kind of what I'm talking about: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc- carlson/cloth/bockhose.html I hope this helps! --Jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09832 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CNN3M20440; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CNN1117627; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9803.mail.yahoo.com (web9803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.213]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1CNMJ117312 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:22:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020212232220.38008.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.142.89] by web9803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:22:20 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth I miniseries on History Channel Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:22:20 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I just went to www.HistoryChannel.com to double check air dates/time for this series--according to their listing, it airs February 27 through March 1. (did a search for Elizabeth I) >From a local newspaper: The History Channel is airing a four-part miniseries "Elizabeth I," the story of the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. Narrated by and based on David Starkey's popular book, the series is partially dramatized. The series airs February 26 through March 1. Just thought that y'all would like to know... :-) I can already hear the whirring of VCR's. Kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:53:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09873 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:53:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CNWMM21532; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:32:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CNW6122969; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:32:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CNVM122578 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:31:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.42.2222104d (30963) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:31:15 -0500 (EST) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <42.2222104d.299affc3@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_42.2222104d.299affc3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10555 Subject: [h-cost] Re: blends & amish/mennonite Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:31:15 EST Status: RO --part1_42.2222104d.299affc3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Illinois and go to Aurthur to shop at an Amish store every so often, usually when visiting family down there. Anyway there are lots of cotton, especially jeans material, they men have their coats made from it. Also they have lots of cottons though alot is 50% cotton 50% poly. or something close to that. The prices are nice and the selection is good. Lots of small prints and solids though. Alot of there clothes are made from poly knit also so that is plentiful. Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_42.2222104d.299affc3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in Illinois and go to Aurthur to shop at an Amish store every so often, usually when visiting family down there.  Anyway there are lots of cotton, especially jeans material, they men have their coats made from it.  Also they have lots of cottons though alot is 50% cotton 50% poly. or something close to that.  The prices are nice and the selection is good.  Lots of small prints and solids though.  Alot of there clothes are made from poly knit also so that is plentiful.
Kelly
m311@aol.com                                                              --part1_42.2222104d.299affc3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 17:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09884 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1CNc4M22129; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CNc1126148; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CNbt126088 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:37:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a260.in-tch.com [66.62.107.60]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1CNQKr28520 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:26:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C69A865.EBACEAF4@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose References: <3C68B391.F714F956@2xtreme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:42:29 -0700 Status: RO Yes, you're crazy. I bet it could work just fine (linen has a suprising amount of stretch and strength to it), although I've never made any hose myself, and those hosen I can recollect as being extant were made of wool (although I sure could be wrong...it wouldn't be the first time, and I'm home from work with a v*rus anyways ) And yes, this list is a very, very dangerous place...far too much exposure to far too many people doing far too much excellent research and experimentation into topics I'd never seriously considered before..... --sue (it's far too late to save me, but maybe if you ran like h@ll??? That is, of course, if you wanted to ;-P) Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > > So, am I crazy, or could this work? > > Stephen - Who is starting to feel this is some how Henk's bad > influence. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 18:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10066 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:47:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1D0Q4M26841; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:26:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D0Q1119803; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from worldaccessnet.com (bluedot.worldaccessnet.com [207.14.97.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1D0PY119600 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:25:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21774 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 00:25:12 -0000 Received: from max4-10.worldaccessnet.com (HELO premiombquant) (207.14.99.62) by mail.worldaccessnet.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 00:25:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c1b426$6a2bd920$951afea9@premiombquant> From: "Sidne Kneeland" To: "historic costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B3E3.596ABCC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Kells Magnum Opus - Zena Thorpe - Houston Quilt Festival 2001 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:35:58 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1B3E3.596ABCC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1B3E3.59725DE0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C1B3E3.59725DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This came across another list. 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In-Reply-To: <200202120526.g1C5Q6Q16147@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020211215354.00a78c90@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:26:10 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Well, my La Mode Bagatelle pattern lists the size 10 dress with train as taking 6 1/4 yards for 45" and 4 1/2 yards for 60" wide fabric. Interestingly enough, the size 22 DD takes 6 1/4 yards for 45" and 5 yards for 60" wide fabric. The dress sans train (size 10) is listed at 5 3/4 yards for 45" and 4 1/4 yards for 60" wide fabric. The dress sans train (size 22 DD) is listed at 6 yards for 45" and 4 1/2yards for 60" wide fabric. So you can probably get an idea from that. I ordered 8 yards on principle... Now, all we have to do is make sure we don't all wear gowns out of this fabric to the same events... : ) Cheers, Danielle At 09:26 PM 2/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Those of you that bought this fabric -- how much would you recommend >getting for a regency gown? size 14 figure ;) > > > > At 12:39 PM 2/8/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > >At 01:57 PM 2/8/02 -0600, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > >>Greetings, > > >> > > >>http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/tradition.html I must admit my > > >>concept of the fabrics got shaken up a bit. : ) > > > > > >Yes, this fabric will work. You might enjoy looking at this book: > > > > > >A Lady of Fashion, Barabara Johnson's Album of Styles and Fabrics, > edited by > > >Natalie Rothstein, Thames & Hudson Pub., NY, 1987. > > > > > >It's a wonderful, big book with photos of fabric swatches. The colors and > > >variety > > >will amaze you. > > > > > >Sally Norton > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 21:32:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10813 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:32:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1D3B4M08536; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D3B1118722; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D3Ag118602 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:10:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.155] (as-5-11.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.253]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1D3AgO07877 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:10:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C68B391.F714F956@2xtreme.net> References: <3C68B391.F714F956@2xtreme.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:18:04 -0800 Status: RO At 10:17 PM -0800 2/11/02, Stephen Bergdahl wrote: >Ok it's official, I'm crazy and this list is a dangerous place! > >I found at my local thrift shop a lovely piece of sage green linen >weave. I figure its cotton, and would make a nice tablecloth. I get it >home run a flame test, and it comes out Real Linen. So no way am I >going to just cover a table with it. The piece is 60" x 60" which makes >it too small for a tunic, and I don't just want to use it as trim and >lining. The color is just perfect for me and it will go well with the >new 13th century tunic I am making. So the brain starts to think, and >the next thing I know I am measuring myself for a pair of Hose. Now in >all my years of costuming I have never made hose out of anything but >knits. It's not period, but it's quick and simple. I tried a quick >drape with the linen over my leg and I feel it will work out fine, lots >of stretch. > >So, am I crazy, or could this work? It can work -- I make a lot of bias-cut linen hose, largely because of the California weather, but you can also find at least literary references to linen hose in the medieval period. As with any fabric for a bias-cut fit, checking out the actual stretch is more important than assumptions based on fiber and weave. For me, personally, I tend to leave the knees a bit baggier with linen than with wool, simply because the absolute limits of the stretch are less, and because my kneecaps are sensitive to having pressure on them (e.g. when the legs are bent), but I don't know if this would be a general consideration. You do need to worry a lot more about finishing the seams than you would for woolen hose. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 21:32:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10821 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:32:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1D3BRM08554; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:11:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D3BO118847; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D3Ai118619 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:10:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.155] (as-5-11.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.253]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1D3AjO07896 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:10:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ordinary Sailor's dress, c1680-1730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:19:45 -0800 Status: RO At 6:38 PM +0000 2/12/02, ben@hrofi.demon.co.uk wrote: >Hi, > >Has anyone got any good information on the dress of ordinary sailors >(particularly Royal Navy) c.1680-1730. I've seen plenty of modern >paintings showing baggy canvas 'petticoat' breeches and shirts, but is >there anything to support this from the period? And did they have >any other clothing such as coats, jackets, hats, etc.? I'm >paruiculary interested if anyone knows of any period images of >ordinary sailors. I wonder if a rich source of pictures for your purpose might be illustrations from broadside ballads -- many of which had nautical themes. (Since the illustrations got re-used a lot, you may need to worry about the actual date of any particular image.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 12 22:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11056 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:45:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1D4O6M12752; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D4O1113903; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D4Nt113875 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:23:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.135.133]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020213042401.PWCB29231.out007.verizon.net@default> for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:24:01 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020213042436.006c393c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ordinary Sailor's dress, c1680-1730 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:24:36 -0500 Status: RO At 06:38 PM 2/12/02 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Has anyone got any good information on the dress of ordinary sailors >(particularly Royal Navy) c.1680-1730. I've seen plenty of modern >paintings showing baggy canvas 'petticoat' breeches and shirts, but is >there anything to support this from the period? And did they have >any other clothing such as coats, jackets, hats, etc.? I'm >paruiculary interested if anyone knows of any period images of >ordinary sailors. > >Thanks > >Ben Levick >Military Officer - L'Age D'Or >http://www.kipar.org/kirkes.html If by Royal Navy, you mean the British Royal Navy, there was no uniform yet. The uniform is first created later in the 18th century and then only for officers. Uniforms for common sailors come around in the 19th century. The British Royal Navy dressed like any other sailor. As far as what that was, well for your period of question I can not say for sure as it is outside my area of experitise. I do have art documenting the large trousers you mention from just after the period in question (Frye Jefferson Map of Virginia 1751). and several from the next few decades. As far as earlier, I am familiar with many 16th century (though often dutch) depictions of sailors in similiar breeches. I have done a little perusal of some of my nautical sources and have discovered: The Maas at Dordrecht Oil painting by Albert Cuyp (1606-67) Shows Dutch sailors in similiar shaped breeches though still earlier than the requested dates. View of a Port at Sunset oil by Claude Gellee called Le Lorrain (1600-82) baggy breeches, but closed at the knees. One pair of long full trousers that look rather modern. These are the only depictions I can find here at home from near your requested period in which I can make out the obvious sailor's lower halfs! I have several other where I can make out figures, but I can not tell if they are sailors or just standing about on shore. I just don't have much for the period you are interested in. I suspect that since there are full baggy breeches just prior to your period and just following that they are there in your period as well, but that is hardly helpful, and obviously not definitive. Besides, the details change anyway. The earlier sailor's breeches are closed like any landsman's breeches, with a simple button fly. The later ones such as Watson(?) and the Shark show breeches that close with a narrow fall (worn over a normal late 18th century pair of breeches as well), I would suggest that you look at paintings. Though they tend to be Dutch (Dutch Masters) there is a large genre of nautical themed paintings in the period in question, and many should be on display at any good nautical museum and many art museums. Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 01:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11708 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:48:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1D7R6M21302; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1D7R0105937; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1D7Q9105767 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:26:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020213072611.88923.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.198.186.167] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:26:11 PST From: Joe Cool Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200202120526.g1C5Q6Q16147@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:26:11 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > Those of you that bought this fabric -- how much would you > recommend > getting for a regency gown? size 14 figure ;) I didnt buy the fabric, but I`m guessing you mean a modern patterns size 14 (not off the rack size 14). 7yds including enough for the 3` train. Pattern used+ Norah Waugh`s 1803 in "Cut of Women`s" clothes FWIW I`m 5`4" ' 36B (the rest doesnt matter when doing this era) --cin Cynthia in Tokyo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 04:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07826 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 04:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DA37M26979; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:03:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DA31109050; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DA26108863 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KE7ZJMYTOG00OHY3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KE7ZJMIBDK00N8RV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:58:26 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:58:23 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.58) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:58:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose In-reply-to: <200202121902.g1CJ2M109044@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3CD02901236@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Now in all my years of costuming I have never made hose out of > anything but knits. It's not period, but it's quick and simple. > I tried a quick drape with the linen over my leg and I feel it will > work out fine, lots of stretch. > > So, am I crazy, or could this work? It should wiork fine if you cut them ont he bias. For a photo of me in my most comfy pair of fitted hose (also made of green linen) look at.... http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/farisles/lst Select the secont "coronation" folder and ... erm... lets see, the photo that shows them best would be....rimg0023w. It's on the second page of pictures and is the third one on that page. Not only are they comfy to wear, they look good (I'd never seen a photo of me in them before this lot were taken a few weekends ago) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 07:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08386 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:28:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DD78M02481; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DD70100433; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DD69129973 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.106.d255811 (26120) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:06:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <106.d255811.299bbebe@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] would this work for Regency? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:06:06 EST Status: RO I have found that the La Mode Bagatelle skirt is much fuller than it needs to be (unless you yourself have a large circumference). I helped a friend lay it out and we eliminated two of the panels. I use the pattern in Waugh's "Cut of Women's Clothes" that has a 72" circumference. For this, you need two lengths for the skirt, plus whatever you need for bodice and sleeves. I find that 5 yds is usually more than enough. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 08:16:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08577 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:16:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DDt9M04707; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:55:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DDt1112259; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sodium.golden.net (sodium.golden.net [199.166.210.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DDs2111974 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-77.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.77]) by sodium.golden.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id g1DDs5s29664 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:54:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000f01c1b495$f8c56f60$4d07d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200202131308.g1DD84100682@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re: would this work for Regency? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:52:29 -0500 Status: RO > I have found that the La Mode Bagatelle skirt is much fuller than it needs to > be (unless you yourself have a large circumference). It depends on the exact time and region a person is interpreting. Certainly there are many examples of full skirts. The bib front day dress I examined at the Royal Ontario Musuem is but one example. The skirts were very full, with the majority of the fullness falling to the back of the gown, rather than the front which lay relatively flat and smooth. The gown I examined was an Ontario gown, specifically from Sharon, Ontario, circa 1809, which makes the gown definitely a frontier ladies gown, so no speculation about 'well women wouldn't have worn that in the backwoods.' And the gown was most definitely working attire and well-worn, as evident from the considerable holes left on the bib where pins or brooches had fastened the bib into place. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 08:30:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08629 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:30:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DE9LM05572; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DE9F116333; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1DE8D116037 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 07:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3668 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 14:08:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.145) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 14:08:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3C6A737A.13C06F3@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose References: <3C68B391.F714F956@2xtreme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:08:58 -0600 Status: RO Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > > So the brain starts to think, and > the next thing I know I am measuring myself for a pair of Hose. Now in > all my years of costuming I have never made hose out of anything but > knits. It's not period, but it's quick and simple. I tried a quick > drape with the linen over my leg and I feel it will work out fine, lots > of stretch. > > So, am I crazy, or could this work? It works fine. I've made myself linen-cotton hose, though mine only go to the knee of course. Linen would work better, I'm sure. I took the pattern from layouts drawn from an extant pair of 16th-century men's hose in _Textile Conservation and Research_ (Mechtild Fleury-Lemberg ISBN 3-905014-02-5), which you can ILL. I made them by hand, flat-felling all the seams, and they are extremely comfortable. I have several pairs, and they've been washed and worn many times. You can see pictures and pattern drawings at http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/Flemish8.html Some men I know who wear linen hose also wear garters below the knee, as it helps keep everything from sagging too far. Theirs are generally the miniature-belt style rather than ribbons like mine. Good luck! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 10:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08961 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DFrBM13594; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:53:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DFr4126854; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DFqC126422 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:52:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.160.8b9ea85 (3702) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:52:09 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <160.8b9ea85.299be5a8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: would this work for Regency? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:52:08 EST Status: RO I know that some of the skirts of the period did have more fullness. I have been using the 2-yard circumference pattern for some time and am happy with the look, but I know there are other options, especially if one is using lightweight fabrics. I also agree that women on the frontier were probably trying their best to keep up with the fashionable look. I would, though, be cautious about making a style with a train, especially for a day dress after 1810. By 1818, it appears, based on Rosalie Stier Calvert's observation, that no one was even wearing trains for evening full dress in the U.S. (After her sister sent her some clothes from Europe, she wrote in November 1817, "I will say that I regret that my full-dress gown is trailing. I don't think anyone is wearing them like that here, so I will shorten it all around.") One of the great things about designing and making one's own garment, unless you are trying to make a line-for-line copy of an existing one, is that you can make your own style decisions based upon the range of possibilities that existed. This assumes, though, that we know what the range was. So, thanks, Lorina, for sharing what is at the ROM for those of us who have not had an opportunity to visit. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 11:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09155 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:11:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DGnQM19414; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DGn5126668; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DGmq126533 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27922 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:48:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006401c1b4ad$6928ada0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <20020212232220.38008.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth I miniseries on History Channel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:42:21 -0600 Status: RO Thanks for the heads up on the Elizabeth I miniseries. I caught part of a program on the Tower of London and the monarchs of England last night on The Learning Channel. I saw the segment on Lady Jane Grey, the Nine Day's Queen. Badly, badly done. The grossest error was making Jane and her husband in love (Jane is even shown nude in sihouette(sorry spelling) and the date of her execution was off by 4 years(1558 instead of the correct 1554). Her devotion to the "New Learning"(Protestanism) goes unmentioned. Edward VI is shown as a sickly, dying young child(actually he was quite healthy until his final illness and, in reality, was not Northumberland's puppet). The narrator even states that Jane's father raised forces and stormed the Tower(Thomas Wyatt doesn't even get a mention--must have missed something in my study of Tudor history-- apparently!! )The segment was so incorrect I was actually talking back out loud to the TV. The only thing remotely done right were most of the costumes, although I quibbled with those too and Jane went headdress-less and her hair loose, to her execution in TLC re-enactment.. I hope the History Channel's miniseries on Elizabeth I is more true to history. Cindy Abel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth I miniseries on History Channel > I just went to www.HistoryChannel.com to double check air dates/time > for this series--according to their listing, it airs February 27 > through March 1. (did a search for Elizabeth I) > > >From a local newspaper: > The History Channel is airing a four-part miniseries "Elizabeth I," > the story of the reign of Queen Elizabeth I. Narrated by and based on > David Starkey's popular book, the series is partially dramatized. The > series airs February 26 through March 1. > > Just thought that y'all would like to know... :-) > > I can already hear the whirring of VCR's. > > > Kate > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 13:00:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09625 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:00:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DIdOM02679; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DId1101495; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw06.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DIUu126611 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web22 (209.185.149.10) id 3C50BC830064DE10 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:24:02 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <6CE2AF596D57711428FBDE1E1E88F151@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Merino wool source? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:34:26 -0500 Status: RO Can anybody suggest a website/mail order store that sells marino wool suitable for a cassock? A friend of mine wants a new cassock made specifically with marino wool. I'm not sure where to find it locally, and the only place I know for sure has wools in abundance charges far more than the actual worth... Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 13:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09702 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DIwvM04957; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DIwo113306; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:58:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DInR107863 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1DIoEb00723 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:50:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020213124359.02a26eb0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth I miniseries on History Channel In-Reply-To: <006401c1b4ad$6928ada0$55c98693@creighton.edu> References: <20020212232220.38008.qmail@web9803.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:44:27 -0600 Status: RO I wonder if they used "Lady Jane" as their documentation... : ) cheers, Danielle At 10:42 AM 2/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks for the heads up on the Elizabeth I miniseries. I caught part of a >program on the Tower of London and the monarchs of England last night on The >Learning Channel. I saw the segment on Lady Jane Grey, the Nine Day's Queen. > >Badly, badly done. The grossest error was making Jane and her husband in >love (Jane is even shown nude in sihouette(sorry spelling) and the date of >her execution was off by 4 years(1558 instead of the correct 1554). Her >devotion to the "New Learning"(Protestanism) goes unmentioned. Edward VI is >shown as a sickly, dying young child(actually he was quite healthy until his >final illness and, in reality, was not Northumberland's puppet). The >narrator even states that Jane's father raised forces and stormed the >Tower(Thomas Wyatt doesn't even get a mention--must have missed something in >my study of Tudor history-- apparently!! )The segment was so incorrect I was >actually talking back out loud to the TV. The only thing remotely done right >were most of the costumes, although I quibbled with those too and Jane went >headdress-less and her hair loose, to her execution in TLC re-enactment.. > >I hope the History Channel's miniseries on Elizabeth I is more true to >history. > >Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 13:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09729 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:25:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1DJ3xM05585; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DJ3q116259; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:03:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DIi6104562 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:44:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1DIjAF13891 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06745 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Merino wool source? In-Reply-To: <6CE2AF596D57711428FBDE1E1E88F151@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:47:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I believe sewingcentral.com sells merino wool. Drea On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Kimberly Tribe wrote: > Can anybody suggest a website/mail order store that sells marino wool > suitable for a cassock? A friend of mine wants a new cassock made > specifically with marino wool. I'm not sure where to find it > locally, and the only place I know for sure has wools in abundance > charges far more than the actual worth... > > Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 18:46:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11958 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:46:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E0O5M14772; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E0O1U06801; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E0NDU06428 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.26] (as-5-40.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.26]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1E0N9l29657 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:23:09 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] basic cotehardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:57:30 -0800 Status: RO At 9:36 PM -0800 2/1/02, Heather Rose Jones wrote: >At 12:32 AM -0600 2/2/02, Robin Netherton wrote: > >>But as to how they lined it ... I'm guessing. For my purposes, I find it >>easy to fit a lining (which has the seam allowances to the outside, and >>which provides much of the structural support to the garment) and then to >>cut the outer fabric to match. I haven't tried flatlining, but then, I >>haven't seen any evidence that would suggest that flatlining was a more >>viable choice, and I haven't read anything from the archaological finds >>that suggest the presence of flatlining specifically (as opposed to >>suggestions of a lining in general), such as shreds of a lining fabric >>surviving in a seam at the appropriate places. I would be glad for any >>solid information. If you try flatlining a fitted dress, let me know how >>it works. > >I need to go back and check the exact information, but my >recollection is that the "golden gown" of Queen Margareta (14th c. >Denmark) uses a form of flat-lining. The problem with my >recollection is that the dress has been worked over by researchers a >couple times, and I'm not entirely certain that the flat-lining is >part of the surviving original or a feature of the modern >reproduction, or part of the conservation, or what. I finally got around to following up on this (the virtue of staying home sick for a couple days). My recollection was faulty -- there are only a few fragments that are the actual original lining, and not enough to see how it was treated (flat vs. bag). My visual memory had been based more on some of the layers of restoration. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 13 22:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12802 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E3q4M28734; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E3q0U21707; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E3pRU21479 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:51:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0398.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.13.144]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1E3pSj230786 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:51:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6B341D.13BE20@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] speaking of archeological info... References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020211213422.0309a660@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:50:53 -0600 Status: RO Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > speaking of archeological info, I was wondering if anyone has the > bibliographic info for the books on the York Coppergate finds? Anyone know > where I can get my hands on copies? There are several books (I got 20 hits at the OCLC, although some are going to be duplicate entries). They were published by / for the York Archaeological Trust. Their web page is: http://www.york.gov.uk/heritage/heritage/archaeology/ --Charlene -- A house without books is like a room without windows. -- Horace Mann ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 01:55:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13791 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:55:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E7ZAM10247; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E7Z1U29471; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E7YDU29304; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:34:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from PennyLadnier [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A86B96C0448; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:34:03 -0600 Message-ID: <019701c1b528$d574b780$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Historic Costume Bulletin Board Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:25:51 -0500 Status: RO I am sorry if some of you will receive this message several times. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew about our latest addition. Last month the Historic Costume Bulletin Board that has been at Drea Leed's Elizabethan Costume website for many years moved to The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com . To access the Bulletin Board, go to the front of the Gallery and click on the button on the top bar menu. We have added several new categories that are located on the lower part of the front page of the Bulletin Board. Our goal is to put 1 & 1 together to better serve the costuming community. You will see by the new categories added. The new categories: ***Job/Internship Announcements ***Vintage Clothing/Antique Show Announcements ***Costume Events/Symposiums/Exhibits I have already added several announcements in these categories. There is no charge to enter information in these categories. We do ask that if you do post an announcement to please post the dates in the subject line. This helps me to delete expired announcements. I also ask... PLEASE do not put eBay auctions in the For Sale/Wanted category. I can not spend all my time, deleting out-dated eBay auctions. I hope you all enjoy our latest addition. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 02:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09548 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:20:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E804M11043; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E801U05746; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E7xnU05694 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA19939 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202140817.AAA19939@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Bullet bra arrived Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:17:34 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It's made of rather thin cotton, no padding. This suprised me, since the one I borrowed from my mother as a teenager had heavily padded cups, as well as all the stitching. While this one will be more comfortable to wear during the summer, it doesn't provide quite the same definition as the only other one I've worn. And I had to do a fair amount of squishing and adjusting to get my breasts to sit in the cup correctly. Otherwise, you end up a very strange shape if your nipple is higher than the point in the cup. I've never worn a bra where the side pannels weren't elastic. Now I know why they tell you to add 5" to your ribcage measurement. With modern bras, the requirement makes no sense at all. I normally wear a 38DD, and I bought a 40DD, because the bras looked like they ran small on the models. I could've probably worn a 42D instead. The cup size is right, but the band is little tight under the arms and around the back. All in all, the shape isn't _that_ much different from the bras I own that have 2 or 3 piece non-stretch cups. However, _those_ are so unusual these days that perhaps I shouldn't say that. And it's cotton, which has been my holy grail for a while now. I really ought to get out the Kwik Sew pattern I have for a "full-coverage" bra. It's meant for stretch fabrics, but now I have a good model to work from. Overall, a pretty good use of $25. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 02:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09635 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:45:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E8P5M12386; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:25:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E8P1U12195; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from murphys.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1E8OtU12169 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:24:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 10987 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 08:24:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk) (212.56.116.202) by murphy.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 08:24:49 -0000 Received: from sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk (SBS1 [192.168.50.200]) by sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 1P45MLZ8; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:34:22 -0000 Received: by sbs1.scenic-route.co.uk (Microsoft Exchange Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 4.50.2113) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG02142002-083405-478.MMD@scenic-route.co.uk; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:34:05 -0000 Delivered-To: sc_force-scenicroute-amelia@scenic-route.co.uk Received: (qmail 29931 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 07:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 07:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 22574 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 07:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.groups.yahoo.com) (216.115.96.72) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 07:34:15 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-329183-971-1013672056-amelia=scenic-route.co.uk@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.191] by n22.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2002 07:34:16 -0000 X-Sender: penny@costumegallery.com X-Apparently-To: Costume_Closet@egroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 14 Feb 2002 07:34:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 74635 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 07:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2002 07:34:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO costumegallery.com) (65.192.241.51) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 07:34:15 -0000 Received: from PennyLadnier [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A86B96C0448; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:34:03 -0600 Message-ID: <019701c1b528$d574b780$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: "Penny Ladnier" X-Yahoo-Profile: fashin_cop MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Costume_Closet@yahoogroups.com; contact Costume_Closet-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Costume_Closet@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] [Costume_Closet] Historic Costume Bulletin Board Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Costume_Closet@yahoogroups.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:25:51 -0500 Status: RO I am sorry if some of you will receive this message several times. I just wanted to make sure everyone knew about our latest addition. Last month the Historic Costume Bulletin Board that has been at Drea Leed's Elizabethan Costume website for many years moved to The Costume Gallery, www.costumegallery.com . To access the Bulletin Board, go to the front of the Gallery and click on the button on the top bar menu. We have added several new categories that are located on the lower part of the front page of the Bulletin Board. Our goal is to put 1 & 1 together to better serve the costuming community. You will see by the new categories added. The new categories: ***Job/Internship Announcements ***Vintage Clothing/Antique Show Announcements ***Costume Events/Symposiums/Exhibits I have already added several announcements in these categories. There is no charge to enter information in these categories. We do ask that if you do post an announcement to please post the dates in the subject line. This helps me to delete expired announcements. I also ask... PLEASE do not put eBay auctions in the For Sale/Wanted category. I can not spend all my time, deleting out-dated eBay auctions. I hope you all enjoy our latest addition. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/LgIolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Community email addresses: Post message: Costume_Closet@egroups.com Subscribe: Costume_Closet-subscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: Costume_Closet-unsubscribe@egroups.com List owner: Costume_Closet-owner@egroups.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/community/Costume_Closet Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 03:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09715 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:21:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1E916M14338; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:01:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E911U21015; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1E90hU20933 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:00:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA01263.; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:08:38 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:00:45 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabeth I miniseries on History Channel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1E90hU20933 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:00:26 +0000 Status: RO Cindy Abel wrote: >I hope the History Channel's miniseries on Elizabeth I is more true to >history. This series has already been shown twice on BBC, as well as a follow-up on Henry VIII's wives. David Starkey is a respected historian and they are basically illustrated lectures, with costumed actors miming some scenes. They were well thought of here in the UK (more so than a recent rather gimmicky series on our Civil Wars). Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 05:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA10019 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:21:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1EB08M18182; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EB02U01294; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EAxDU01086 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from PennyLadnier [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A87A2050228; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:59:06 -0600 Message-ID: <028201c1b544$bcc95800$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] OMG!!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:45:36 -0500 Status: RO I feel like I have finally got my Oscar!!!!!!! A Warner Brothers movie site has linked to my website. The film website is Charlotte Gray. Go look... http://charlottegraymovie.warnerbros.com/cmp/time.html Look down in the section under War & Fashion. Link "#2: Fashions: 1940" goes to my 20th Century Fashion History 1940s webpage. The link just appeared this month. I can't tell you all how hard I have worked for the film industry to recognize my website. I feel like I won an Oscar!!!!!!! BTW, visit around the film's website and make sure to look at the video trailer. It looks like a good movie. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 08:15:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10560 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:15:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1EDt6M23778; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EDt0U10068; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EDsQU09913 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:54:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1EDsVce006081 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume In-Reply-To: <019701c1b528$d574b780$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Sizing info? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:54:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does anyone know where I can find out what the 'typical' measurements are for each size -- say, a size 2, or size 8, or 16? Not just the bust, waist and hips; I'd like to have the shoulders, underarm-to-waist, etc., too. Thanks Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 11:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11105 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1EGe9M07394; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:40:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EGe1U19959; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (2xtreme.net [209.63.222.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1EGdtU19885 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21662 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 16:39:59 -0000 Received: from 66-81-43-122-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.43.122) by 2xtreme.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 16:39:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3C6B3EF7.81073E82@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OMG!!!! References: <028201c1b544$bcc95800$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:37:11 -0800 Status: RO Well Congrates Penny. It's always nice when your hard work pays off. Stephen Penny Ladnier wrote: > > I feel like I have finally got my Oscar!!!!!!! A Warner Brothers movie site > has linked to my website. The film website is Charlotte Gray. Go look... > http://charlottegraymovie.warnerbros.com/cmp/time.html Look down in the > section under War & Fashion. Link "#2: Fashions: 1940" goes to my 20th > Century Fashion History 1940s webpage. The link just appeared this month. > > I can't tell you all how hard I have worked for the film industry to > recognize my website. I feel like I won an Oscar!!!!!!! > > BTW, visit around the film's website and make sure to look at the video > trailer. It looks like a good movie. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 14:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11921 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1EJnEM28949; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:49:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EJn1U13009; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f94.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EJm0U12491 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:48:00 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.216 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:48:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.216] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OMG!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2002 19:48:00.0446 (UTC) FILETIME=[820665E0:01C1B590] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:48:00 -0800 Status: RO That's so wonderful for you!!! It does look like a touching storyline. Jennifer >From: "Penny Ladnier" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: "h-costume" >Subject: [h-cost] OMG!!!! >Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 05:45:36 -0500 > >I feel like I have finally got my Oscar!!!!!!! A Warner Brothers movie >site >has linked to my website. The film website is Charlotte Gray. Go look... >http://charlottegraymovie.warnerbros.com/cmp/time.html Look down in the >section under War & Fashion. Link "#2: Fashions: 1940" goes to my 20th >Century Fashion History 1940s webpage. The link just appeared this month. > >I can't tell you all how hard I have worked for the film industry to >recognize my website. I feel like I won an Oscar!!!!!!! > >BTW, visit around the film's website and make sure to look at the video >trailer. It looks like a good movie. > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 14:27:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11997 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:27:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1EK77M01009; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:07:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EK70U23692; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EK6YU23412 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:06:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from home.com ([68.34.234.170]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020214200639.FROO14849.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:06:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3C6C1931.2060405@home.com> From: Linda Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re :[h-cost] Sizing info? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:08:17 -0600 Status: RO Ooh, I would like that information too! All I could find a long time ago was something for a size 8, since I have been told that is the industry standard for pattern making. They either size up or down from that point. If I get some time this weekend I will try to find it for you Mara. At least it is a start. LindaT (who has a headache and is trying to get a break from website updating, I hate coding and writing script, why did I ever think I could do this at 50 breakdown! ) www.seams-to-be.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 15:10:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12343 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:10:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1EKmRM05100; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:48:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EKm1U18796; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1EKlUU18508 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:47:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1EKlZce004134 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re :[h-cost] Sizing info? In-Reply-To: <3C6C1931.2060405@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:47:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks, Linda, I'd appreciate it! Know what you mean about websites... I'm handing a good portion of my Celtic stuff over to Kass, because she has the time/interest to keep updating it. I want to expand the 17th/18th c. section of the site, which is what's interesting to me right now. Cheers, Mara On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Linda Thompson wrote: > Ooh, > I would like that information too! > All I could find a long time ago was something for a size 8, since I have been told that is the > industry standard for pattern making. They either size up or down from that point. If I get some > time this weekend I will try to find it for you Mara. At least it is a start. > > LindaT > (who has a headache and is trying to get a break from website updating, I hate coding and writing > script, why did I ever think I could do this at 50 breakdown! ) > www.seams-to-be.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Feb 14 23:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14549 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:09:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1F4lBM12421; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:47:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1F4l1U29425; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1F4kNU29263 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtmv9.dsl.mindspring.com ([199.174.219.233]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16baGU-00025y-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:46:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: poor clare veils Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:44:48 -0800 Status: RO Sorry to be late responding to this -- we're having our Annual February Crisis (tm) at work. At 9:24 AM -0500 2/8/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >What kind of cap is the "plain white cap fitted to the head"? Does it tie >on? If not, how does it stay on? Is it pinned on? > >I am very curious about this, because I have experimented with various >shapes of cap to wear as a base for veils over my short hair, but none of >them are very satisfactory. They always fall off unless I tie them under my >chin, and while that works, it doesn't look right. I have not actually seen such a cap in use, only read descriptions; but my impression is that a biggin type of cap would work, as would a round cap rather like a baseball cap without the brim :-). The wimple -- a simple rectangular piece of cloth -- goes with one of the long edges under the chin, and the ends of the same edge pin to the cap on either side, substituting for the ties under the chin that normally hold a cap on. (I actually find this more comfortable, because the wimple goes just behind the point of the chin, rather than sitting close to the throat like the ties of a cap. I hate having anything tight up against my throat, it always makes me feel like I'm being choked by my clothing :)) As I think I've mentioned, one time when I visited the monastery, I got to see one of the sisters' scrapbooks that has photos of the nuns showing off their "new model" wimple sometime in the late 60s. What began historically as separate cap and wimple pieces has now developed into a one-piece close-fitting hood, contoured to the head and ending in a small round cape at the shoulders. IIRC, the big change with the "new model" was that rather than coming forward as far as the cheekbones, the edge of the face opening is now farther back, just in front of the ears. Very daring! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 03:52:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10869 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:52:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1F9WEM23058; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1F9W1U07797; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1F9VPU07618 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 02:31:26 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA29728 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202150949.BAA29728@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: poor clare veils Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 01:49:18 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Chris Laning wrote: > > >I am very curious about this, because I have experimented with various > >shapes of cap to wear as a base for veils over my short hair, but none of > >them are very satisfactory. They always fall off unless I tie them under my > >chin, and while that works, it doesn't look right. > > I have not actually seen such a cap in use, only read descriptions; > but my impression is that a biggin type of cap would work, as would a > round cap rather like a baseball cap without the brim :-). It might be similar to the cap worn under a burqa (muslim religious veil). The skullcap is often a triangular or rectangular piece of fabric with a tie sewn along the leading edge. You put the cloth on your head, and tie the strings behind your head under you hair. Like a bandana, but with less bulk. The modern version is a tube of stretch fabric, which I find stays on _much_ better than a bandana. I have a couple decorated ones now, even if I don't wear the burqa. > As I think I've mentioned, one time when I visited the monastery, I > got to see one of the sisters' scrapbooks that has photos of the nuns > showing off their "new model" wimple sometime in the late 60s. What > began historically as separate cap and wimple pieces has now > developed into a one-piece close-fitting hood, contoured to the head > and ending in a small round cape at the shoulders. IIRC, the big > change with the "new model" was that rather than coming forward as > far as the cheekbones, the edge of the face opening is now farther > back, just in front of the ears. Very daring! In other words, very like the one piece muslim veils (often refered to as "al-amira" style). Often worn with the little tube shaped underveil to cover the forehead and hairline. They sure stay on a lot better than the styles that need to be pinned on. [no, not muslim, just terminally photosensitive] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 05:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11254 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:35:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FBFBM25785; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:15:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FBF1U12328; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FBE8U12156 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AD82BB200A8; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:14:10 -0600 Message-ID: <00dc01c1b610$fa953920$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] A New Instructor and New Online Classes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:07:37 -0500 Status: RO We have a new instructor with more new classes at the Costume Classroom < www.costumeclassroom.com >. His name is Stephen Bergdahl and lives in California. He has been a costume designer for many years. Some of you may already know Stephen from the h-costume email list. Please take time to read his bio. Stephen and Kelly are going to start a new series of classes called Clone Yourself. This series caters to those had to fit people who are not the perfect size that patterns and factory made clothing are made in. These will be classes about starting from scratch to make patterns and garments/costumes for yourself. The first thing your will need is a dress form of yourself. You can have a commercial dressform OR you can take one of two FUN classes with us and make your own dressform. Kelly Rinne will be teaching the duct tape method (starts April 1) and Stephen will be teaching the paper tape method (starts May 20). Please read both class descriptions before deciding which class you want to take. After you have your dressform, Stephen will take over the series. His next class will be "Clone Yourself: Intro to Slopers." A sloper is a basic pattern that will provide you with a starting point for making any garment. It is required that you have a dressform to enter this class. It starts July 1. We expect this class to fill up quickly, so please register early. As Stephen claims, "Slopers are the Holy Grail of pattern making." This class is for all levels of learning, beginners to advanced. No pattern making or draping skills are required for this class. Intro to Slopers is open for registration now. After you have your dressform and slopers, you can take the next step in the series: "Clone Yourself: Make a Simple Tailored Jacket." Stephen is a master at tailoring, so expect to learn some tricks of the trade from him. This class will start in Sept. and will be open for enrollment soon. Stephen will be teaching a couple more classes. Very exciting classes... hint, hint... make sure to watch the CC website in the next couple of weeks Elizabethan Ladies. He will be joining our team of Elizabethan instructors too. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 08:40:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12306 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:40:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FEKCM02274; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FEK0U23423; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1FEJ7U23182 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:19:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020215141916.7910.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:19:16 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00dc01c1b610$fa953920$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Book review second Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:19:16 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Whoever it was recently who said "don't bother" regarding "Support & Seduction: the history of bras and corsets," you were right! I picked this book up last summer just before I moved, I think it might even have been on the cheap table (I hope I didn't pay full price for it). Even though I didn't have very high expectations after the review given on this list, I thought as long as I had it I'd give it a read-through. Ugh! I made it through the introduction and about a page into the first chapter before I had to stop reading. Meanwhile, it does have another of those Buchelaer (sp?) paintings that Drea refers to so much in her book, which I also recently read (very clear, and based on, hmm, actual research). I think the 16th c. market woman's picture was in the 18th century chapter of the book. Oh well, I guess I'll chalk it up as a "moving expense." -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 09:14:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12414 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FEsFM04527; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FEs1U04505; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lowblow.svc.tds.net (lowblow.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FErcU04366 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:53:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.10]) by lowblow.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020215145347.KNYA12283.lowblow@tds.net> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:53:47 -0600 Message-ID: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:52:47 -0600 Status: RO Well yet again that evil villan "blondeness" has smited me. Remember that wonderful "Norman" dress I made for 12th Night?? Well butter brain me, forgot to look at the bolt to see the washing instructions. I am bad about "Ohhh pretty! I'll take 5 yards!" Annnnyway, after 12th Night I washed and wore it again about a week or two ago, and thought to myself "This feels just a bit more snug the before". But figured my body must be gearing up for "a visitor". Well last night I was in the store and looked at the bolt, guess what it said......... That's right DRY CLEAN ONLY. Alice Tinker has nothing on me. Katie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 11:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13140 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:45:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FHPEM19026; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FHP1U17485; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FHOfU17306 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:24:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from penny.attbi.com ([12.238.137.251]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020215172446.FVHG2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@penny.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:24:46 +0000 From: chimericalgirl@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! Organization: The Corner of my Desk Message-ID: <3c9243e2.686567511@mail.attbi.com> References: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> In-Reply-To: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1FHOfU17306 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: rio_strangegirlSMAPTRAP@SPAMTRAPyahoo.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:23:23 GMT Status: RO On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:52:47 -0600, the following was written in this electric book by Katie : >That's right DRY CLEAN ONLY. What kind of fiber was it? Maura ---chimericalgirl@attbi.com-Goddess of Last Minute Miracles--- "We went out with both lips blazing, and a pen in either hand..." - the Flash Girls }{ http://www.chimericalgirl.net }{ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 14:01:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13681 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:01:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FJeEM03451; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FJe0U29501; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f151.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.151]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FJd4U29031 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:39:10 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.116 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:39:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.116] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 19:39:10.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[705DD760:01C1B658] Subject: [h-cost] My Museum!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:39:10 -0800 Status: RO http://www.lewiscountymuseum.org/default.asp I just wanted to share this site with all of you. I just stumbled across it and had so many wonderful memories!! I used to walk into town on the weekends and spend all afternoon in this fascinating place. My favorite parts were the life scenes with the people dressed in period clothes going about their lives. I so wanted to live there!! giggles. I donated a dress when I was in high school. It was a fabulous lace and sheer underdress. The back had dozens of little hooks and eyes that had started to rust when I received the garment. I didn't want to ruin it so I gave it to the museum to keep safe. The woman who gave it to me said it was made for her around 1890 and she had worn it until the 1910's. I'm hoping they still have it and I can get a picture. ;) This friendly piece of history helped develope my love of historical clothing. If you ever get the chance to go see it, please do!! Jennifer Sena moved to Lewis County in 1979 left again in 1990 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 14:09:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13701 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:09:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FJnCM04306; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:49:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FJn0U04522; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FJmCU04130 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:48:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.59] (as3-4-73.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.59]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1FJmL529466 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:48:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> References: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:52:57 -0800 Status: RO At 8:52 AM -0600 2/15/02, Katie wrote: >Well yet again that evil villan "blondeness" has smited me. >Remember that wonderful "Norman" dress I made for >12th Night?? Well butter brain me, forgot to look at the >bolt to see the washing instructions. I am bad about >"Ohhh pretty! I'll take 5 yards!" > >Annnnyway, after 12th Night I washed and wore it >again about a week or two ago, and thought to myself >"This feels just a bit more snug the before". But figured >my body must be gearing up for "a visitor". >Well last night I was in the store and looked at the bolt, > >guess what it said......... > >That's right DRY CLEAN ONLY. >Alice Tinker has nothing on me. Don't beat yourself up too much about it -- pretty much _all_ fabric gets labelled "dry clean only" these days, no matter how ridiculous the notion may be. This phenomenon generally gets blamed on the fabric companies' paranoia of litigious but clueless customers who don't realize fabric is _supposed_ to change when you wash it. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 15:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14078 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:32:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FLBOM12201; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:11:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FLB0U20637; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FLAnU20569 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:10:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1FLAxce025492 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! In-Reply-To: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:10:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Huh. As a lifelong blonde, I take extreme exception to that remark. :P Is the darned thing linen? Just because the bolt says dry clean only doesn't mean you can't wash it -- manufacturers do that because a) they're too lazy and cheap to pre-wash the fabric, and b) they want to cover themselves in case you decide to sue because something shrinks. If the fabric is linen, you can wash it (several times, if you _really_ want to be sure it won't shrink anymore) before you cut your garment out. Then you can wash it as you would any other cottons etc. - Mara On Fri, 15 Feb 2002, Katie wrote: > Well yet again that evil villan "blondeness" has smited me. > Remember that wonderful "Norman" dress I made for > 12th Night?? Well butter brain me, forgot to look at the > bolt to see the washing instructions. I am bad about > "Ohhh pretty! I'll take 5 yards!" > > Annnnyway, after 12th Night I washed and wore it > again about a week or two ago, and thought to myself > "This feels just a bit more snug the before". But figured > my body must be gearing up for "a visitor". > > Well last night I was in the store and looked at the bolt, > > guess what it said......... > > That's right DRY CLEAN ONLY. > > Alice Tinker has nothing on me. > > Katie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 15:52:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14152 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:52:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FLWFM14117; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FLW1U02503; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FLVFU02091 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:31:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.133]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020215213125.YJHU1628.chruser@tds.net> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:31:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3C6D7DF2.80903@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:30:26 -0600 Status: RO I am a life long blonde also. When I was a kid it was light golden blonde, *sighs*, now it is like this dirty dishwater blonde. Some say ash, some say light brown, some say dark blonde....someone once told me I had red hair, but I think that person was on something. *L* On the bolt it said 100% cotton, the "Dry Clean Only" was under the little price tag. That is why I didn't think twice about washing it. I know I know "Bad Katie, no bone!" cause I always, always always forget to wash the fabric before I cut it. I can't help it, really ...I am like that dog with the ball in "Dr Doolittle", the Eddie Murphy version. "Cut the fabric....Cut the fabric...come on...come on Cut the fabric MAKE SOMETHING!!* Katie Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: >Huh. As a lifelong blonde, I take extreme exception to that remark. :P > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 16:00:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14171 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:00:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FLeFM15181; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:40:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FLe1U07639; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FLdQU07136 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.17f.3a63bb9 (4117) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:39:18 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.3a63bb9.299eda06@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17f.3a63bb9.299eda06_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:39:18 EST Status: RO --part1_17f.3a63bb9.299eda06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You really are living on the edge not to prewash 100% cotton. I can't remember when that stuff didn't shrink when washed the first time. Don't blame it on your hair though -- just on the excitement of have more fabric to dive into sewing. Washing it first is a darn nuisance. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_17f.3a63bb9.299eda06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      You really are living on the edge not to prewash 100% cotton.  I can't remember when that stuff didn't shrink when washed the first time.  Don't blame it on your hair though -- just on the excitement of have more fabric to dive into sewing.  Washing it first is a darn nuisance.

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--part1_17f.3a63bb9.299eda06_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 18:16:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14690 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:16:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1FNuFM00511; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:56:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FNu0U15415; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f202.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1FNtiU15326 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:55:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:55:51 -0800 Received: from 64.217.73.32 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:55:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.217.73.32] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2002 23:55:51.0269 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C23A950:01C1B67C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:55:50 Status: RO I'm a natural blonde too - I can sympathise - I have more than my fair share of "blonde moments". My mom warns me that one day they'll change to "senior moments". :) Repeat after me: "prewash the fabric...prewash the fabric...soap and water first, THEN the scissors!" I had a friend who didn't prewash the cotton she made a skirt from. After she DID wash it, she had a skirt with an absurdly tight waist and the "length" was almost vertical! (she had "generous" hips) Mary/Katerine >I am a life long blonde also. When I was a kid it was light golden blonde, >*sighs*, now it is like this dirty dishwater blonde. Some say ash, some >say >light brown, some say dark blonde....someone once told me I had red hair, >but I think that person was on something. *L* > >On the bolt it said 100% cotton, the "Dry Clean Only" was under the little >price tag. That is why I didn't think twice about washing it. I know I >know >"Bad Katie, no bone!" cause I always, always always forget to wash the >fabric >before I cut it. I can't help it, really ...I am like that dog with >the ball in >"Dr Doolittle", the Eddie Murphy version. > >"Cut the fabric....Cut the fabric...come on...come on Cut the fabric MAKE >SOMETHING!!* > >Katie > >Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > >>Huh. As a lifelong blonde, I take extreme exception to that remark. :P >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 18:37:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14775 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:37:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1G0HEM02091; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G0H1U23399; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G0G3U23082 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.11a.c0d14f8 (16636) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <11a.c0d14f8.299efebd@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11a.c0d14f8.299efebd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:15:57 EST Status: RO --part1_11a.c0d14f8.299efebd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/15/02 6:57:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, noxcat@hotmail.com writes: > I'm a natural blonde too - I can sympathise - I have more than my fair share > of "blonde moments". My mom warns me that one day they'll change to "senior > moments". :) > > And you don't outgrow those nasty senior moments even if you were a brunette. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_11a.c0d14f8.299efebd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/15/02 6:57:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, noxcat@hotmail.com writes:


I'm a natural blonde too - I can sympathise - I have more than my fair share
of "blonde moments". My mom warns me that one day they'll change to "senior
moments". :)

   And you don't outgrow those nasty senior moments even if you were a brunette.

Lalah
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--part1_11a.c0d14f8.299efebd_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 18:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14826 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:54:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1G0YEM03009; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G0Y0U28880; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G0XoU28817 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:33:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.123] (pm4-123.eos.net [205.133.149.123]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06107 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:29:45 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202151902.g1FJ2FU10212@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: muslim veil? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:27:22 -0500 Status: RO Lee: I'm afraid I just don't understand what you're explaining, but it certainly sounds fascinating and practical. Do you know of any pictures that explain this? Where do Muslim women buy these things? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 20:31:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15187 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1G2BDM10137; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:11:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G2B1506395; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G2AQ506297 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:10:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA04108 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:28:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202160228.SAA04108@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: muslim veil? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:28:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > I'm afraid I just don't understand what you're explaining, but it certainly > sounds fascinating and practical. Do you know of any pictures that explain > this? Where do Muslim women buy these things? I bought mine from this place: http://www.alhannah.com/alamirah.html The little "band" you see across the forehead is the underveil, ie the tube that acts like a bandana. Here's a shot from another vendor: http://store.yahoo.com/alhediya/tubescarf.html And directions for how to tie the hijab islamia: http://store.yahoo.com/alhediya/hijistriansc.html Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 20:33:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15197 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:33:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1G2D2M10230; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G2D1506897; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G2Cu506872 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:12:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m203.in-tch.com [216.166.191.203]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1G21Hr10401 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:01:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C6DC13E.F435A5DB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! References: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:17:34 -0700 Status: RO A good friend and ex-roommate of mine, who owns/runs quite the drycleaning place locally, says that a lot of times the "dry clean only" warnings are not for the fabrics, so much as for the dyes. --sue Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > > Don't beat yourself up too much about it -- pretty much _all_ fabric > gets labelled "dry clean only" these days, no matter how ridiculous > the notion may be. This phenomenon generally gets blamed on the > fabric companies' paranoia of litigious but clueless customers who > don't realize fabric is _supposed_ to change when you wash it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 21:48:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15490 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:48:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1G3S2M13171; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G3S0525506; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from chruser.svc.tds.net (chruser.svc.tds.net [204.246.1.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G3R4525294 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:27:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from tds.net ([216.170.219.68]) by chruser.svc.tds.net with ESMTP id <20020216032704.IUGZ1628.chruser@tds.net> for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:27:04 -0600 Message-ID: <3C6DD14E.8040504@tds.net> From: Katie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:26:06 -0600 Status: RO I will make a banner to hang over the sewing machine "1. Wash Fabric 2. Cut Fabric 3. Sew Fabric" :-[ Mary Temple wrote: > Repeat after me: "prewash the fabric...prewash the fabric...soap and > water first, THEN the scissors!" > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Feb 15 22:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15769 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:58:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1G4c3M16161; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G4c0513580; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1G4b6513285 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:37:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2159.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.159]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12351 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:36:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3C6DE0D3.2F4A76C4@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: muslim veil? References: <200202160228.SAA04108@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 23:32:20 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. I enjoyed looking at the sites, especially because the veils were presented without an image of the face (i.e., just on a blank dummy). I suppose this is for the ultra-conservatives who take the Koranic injunction of images to it's completest interpretation, but I didn't look at the men's section, so perhaps this is intended to hide the women's faces? Mike T. Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > I'm afraid I just don't understand what you're explaining, but it certainly > > sounds fascinating and practical. Do you know of any pictures that explain > > this? Where do Muslim women buy these things? > > I bought mine from this place: > http://www.alhannah.com/alamirah.html > > The little "band" you see across the forehead is the underveil, ie > the tube that acts like a bandana. > > Here's a shot from another vendor: > http://store.yahoo.com/alhediya/tubescarf.html > > And directions for how to tie the hijab islamia: > http://store.yahoo.com/alhediya/hijistriansc.html > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 06:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12510 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 06:22:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1GC2WM29310; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 05:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1GC2R504522; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 05:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1GBse503201 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-245-253.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.245.253]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 696F337A31 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:54:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00dc01c1b6e0$cd0d1240$fdf5f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <3C68B391.F714F956@2xtreme.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1B6E4.E3924FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:24:32 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1B6E4.E3924FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Stephen, You wrote: Who is starting to feel this is some how Henk's bad influence. Waddayamean: my bad influence????=20 On the other hand... Just last summer I made my first pair of linen = hose (yes, pale-green linen, but how did you know?) and they worked = fine. I had them rolled down at the time I wore them, because it was = very hot, but still...linen works OK. I have no doubt linen, dyed or = not, has been used for summer-hose, because it's a thing you can do = easily and it feels good on the leg. I think women did this as well. = Proof? Not yet, but I'm working on it. Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1B6E4.E3924FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
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Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Stephen,
 
You wrote:
    Who is starting to feel this is some how = Henk's bad=20 influence.
Waddayamean: my bad influence????
 
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Henk
 
 
Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages=20 clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1B6E4.E3924FE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 08:31:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12889 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 08:31:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1GEBCM02894; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:11:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1GEB0500797; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1GEAS500688 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 07:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from jkale.public.srce.hr (st01-032.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.33]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g1GEATi01760 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:10:29 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020216151057.00a3e2b0@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] article: the oldest adornment interpretation Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:11:40 +0100 Status: RO Standing out in the crowd By Richard Black in Boston, Science correspondent BBC, 16 February, 2002 Archaeologists have come up with an intriguing new theory on the origins of jewellery. They think that at some time in the past, our ancestors started decorating themselves with primitive jewellery and beads in order to give themselves a sense of identity. The idea has been discussed at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Boston. The researchers have discovered that certain ancient humans started wearing beads and jewellery at the same time in three different locations in east Africa, the eastern Mediterranean coast, and south-eastern Europe. In these three sites, the first jewellery appeared around 40,000 years ago - but not at places in between. Dr Mary Stiner, from the University of Arizona, says our ancestors were quite selective about what they wore. Group position "The main emphasis is on shell beads," she told the BBC. "And these are small marine shells, very attractive ones of very uniform size, and people were very picky about what they would select. It was not just any shells, and quite often it was species that were relatively rare." Dr Stiner believes that shell beads became popular as the human population grew. With more people around, it became more important for individuals to be easily recognised. Beads and decorations were a way of expressing individual identity and of determining which social group a person belonged to, or their status within that group. Big cities "The thing about ornaments is that they say a lot about who you are both as an individual and in terms of your group affiliation. "It becomes that much more important to maintain and define social boundaries: who is in your group, who is not; who is a suitable marriage partner, who is not; who has passed through certain age-dependent or sex-dependent initiation rights." Dr Stiner suggests that the same link between population size and decoration exists today - the more tightly people are packed together in modern cities, the more elaborate their adornments. "You just have to visit any major city in the world to see that the more people are interacting, the faster the evolution of style and the more heightened the visual appearance of expressions of style become." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 17:05:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14866 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:05:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1GMj8M25248; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:45:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1GMj1505852; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1GMi7505597 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.188] (pm5-188.eos.net [205.133.149.188]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23897 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:39:55 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202161412.g1GEC2501018@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: jewelery for identity Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:37:37 -0500 Status: RO That's a very interesting theory . . . but how would you ever prove it? Today people in tribal societies have different styles of jewelry and art. Is that because they deliberately want to identify themselves? Or for simple, practical reasons such as the styles they use are what they teach each other? Sometimes these scientists don't have enough to do. It reminds me of that bizarre art theory that at one point (before the Renaissance, the folks who posit this usually say) people did not possess the mental equipment to discern portraits from generic pictures. There's a similar theory that until about the same time people could not really see perspective. Notice that I did NOT say, in either instance, that artists hadn't figured out how to DO either thing. No, people's brains weren't wired for it yet. Sigh. Gail Finke PS: Has anybody followed the "recent" controversy about the Old Masters using optics to create perspective in their paintings? I think I've heard about that since I was a kid -- but it's suddenly news. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 18:33:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15171 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:33:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H0D7M29063; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:13:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H0D0527760; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14005.mail.yahoo.com (web14005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1H0Cs527733 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:12:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020217001258.16597.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.198.186.167] by web14005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:12:58 PST From: Joe Cool Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00dc01c1b6e0$cd0d1240$fdf5f1c3@henk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:12:58 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Quoth Henk: > I have no doubt linen, dyed or not, has been used for > summer-hose, because it's a thing you can do easily and it > feels good on the leg. I think women did this as well. Proof? > Not yet, but I'm working on it. Working on it? Does that mean your book is still in the offing? Not nagging, just being nosey per usual. --cin Cynthia in Tokyo (but only for a few more days) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 18:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15217 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H0QEM29575; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:26:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H0Q8501123; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H0PU500826 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:25:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.26] (helo=[216.119.36.26]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16cF94-0003VO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:25:35 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: jewelery for identity From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:22:26 -0800 Status: RO > > PS: Has anybody followed the "recent" controversy about the Old Masters > using optics to create perspective in their paintings? I think I've heard > about that since I was a kid -- but it's suddenly news. As my art history professor put it so eloquently last week when the question came up... "Duh." Apparently this has been common knowledge for generations, but only now is someone making a stink about it. Someone who is a sculpture artist, no less... Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 18:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15221 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:46:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H0QNM29589; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:26:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H0QH501157; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:26:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H0Pl500902 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:25:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id QAA12205 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:43:36 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] lucet question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:43:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Okay, so I understand the idea, since it's similar to knitting spools and kumihimo. What type of thead/cord/fibre do you use for making lucet cord? It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to be a decent cord. And the cheap crochet threads have the same problem. So what are you guys using? [contemplating my bag of random wooden shapes and thinking that it wouldn't be too hard...] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 19:25:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15345 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:25:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H157M01364; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H150510660; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H148510446 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [68.61.33.252] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A48DEC3026A; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:17:01 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c1b74e$e90474c0$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] controversy about the Old Masters Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:03:27 -0500 Status: RO Thats because David Hockney wrote a book about it...the New Yorker covered it with a good article a while ago. -kel No, people's brains weren't wired > for it yet. Sigh. > > Gail Finke > > PS: Has anybody followed the "recent" controversy about the Old Masters > using optics to create perspective in their paintings? I think I've heard > about that since I was a kid -- but it's suddenly news. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 20:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15567 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:38:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H2IEM04439; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H2I1526796; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H2HL526644 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:17:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-148.frys.com [66.121.20.148]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1H2IK628268 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:18:20 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020212081920.00dee5b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] make your own shoes? In-Reply-To: <200202112008.g1BK8cm13628@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:26:37 -0800 Status: RO I have three different editions of it, probably not the latest one (which I haven't seen). I got to see some shoes she had made and, if she had coloured the side of the sole, I wouldn't have known it wasn't commercially made. The method works just fine. She's older than my mother, so I suspect the styles aren't up-to-date. But the method can be used for any style you can imagine. >Has anyone read -- or used - this book? > >http://www.marywalesloomis.com Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:28:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15704 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:28:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H389M06977; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H381509175; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1BE9JV02800 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:09:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [198.86.80.179] ([198.86.80.179]) by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (Mail-Gear 2.0.0) with SMTP id M2002021109094024276 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:09:40 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 From: Grace Morris To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3096263378_432828" Subject: [h-cost] Book opinions? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:09:37 -0500 Status: RO > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3096263378_432828 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Came across these references, and wondered if anyone could tell me about them: MacIntyre, Jean. (1992) Costumes and Scripts in Elizabethan Times. Smith, Charles H. (1989) Ancient costumes of Great Britian and Ireland From the Druids to the Tudors. .....sounds kind of dicey to me..Druids?...reprint of a Victorian work? Thanks, Grace/Jessamyn --B_3096263378_432828 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Book opinions? Came across these references, and wondered if anyone = could tell me about them:

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Smith, Charles H.  (1989) Ancient costumes of Great Britian and Irelan= d From the Druids to the Tudors.
.....sounds kind of dicey to me..Druids?...reprint of a Victorian work?


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Grace/Jessamyn --B_3096263378_432828-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15708 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:28:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H38KM06995; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H38D509241; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta04bw.bigpond.com (mta04bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1C2OEV23088 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from creecom.bigpond.com ([144.135.24.81]) by mta04bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GREEOV00.3R7 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:24:31 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-132-167.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.132.167]) by bwmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 38/1369088); 12 Feb 2002 12:24:31 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020212125211.00a86970@mail.bigpond.com> X-Sender: threnody@mail.bigpond.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Threnody In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020211181639.009f31e0@sound.net> References: <200202112039.MAA25216@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Delurk and interesting auction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:25:53 +1100 Status: RO Hi, This is my first post to the list, so hello. :) My name is Sonia, and I'm from Melbourne, Australia. I'm not full-time at it yet, but I do dressmaking of gothy/historical-inspired clothes and corsets mostly by word of mouth. Being reasonably competent at modern sewing, I'm now trying to learn historic techniques and hoping to make costume that's rather more authentic. I have made a Renaissance dress from the Janet Arnold books which was...ok...for a first attempt, I guess. I also make jewellery. Anyway, enough about me. If anyone else on this list is in Australia, particularly Sydney, in case you didn't already know, the ABC is auctioning off a whole lot of props from its Gore St studios - including men's, women's, and children's period clothing and footwear (mostly 1788+, but there are a few lots marked "medieval"), as well as a whole pile of other props from costume dramas. You do have to register (free) to view the whole catalogue. (I'm not associated with any of this in any way, merely thought it of interest.) The address is: http://www.soldbyauctioneers.com.au (Search for auctions in Sydney on February 24) I don't know that they're 100% authentic, but they're reportedly of decent quality, given the ABC's reputation for Colonial Australian Dramas. :) - Sonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:28:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15712 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:28:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H38NM07014; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H38H509270; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CIS5119036 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:28:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from PennyLadnier [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AEA6743041E; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:27:50 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c1b3f2$d92ac180$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "FilmCostumes" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Oscar Nominations Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:26:53 -0500 Status: RO For Costume Design: THE AFFAIR OF THE NECKLACE GOSFORD PARK HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER'S STONE THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING MOULIN ROUGE Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15716 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:28:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H38QM07030; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H38K509300; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:08:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1CNXC123576 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:33:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from swbell.net ([208.188.25.96]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GRG004X21FBI3@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:33:13 -0600 (CST) From: Cairenn Day Subject: Re: [h-cost] searching for glass bangle bracelets To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C69A5C1.54A603C1@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C68D87F.E870B1F2@2xtreme.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:31:15 -0600 Status: RO Last year at Gulf War, I bought a glass bangle bracelet. I believe it was from Historical Glass Works. They will be at GW this year, space 51. They had wonderful repros and very good prices, I think the bracelet was under 10$!!! and I am pleased that I haven't broken it yet, it is fairly sturdy. Hope this helps. Cairenn Red Hound Keep Steppes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:29:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15720 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:29:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H398M07065; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:09:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H391509508; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05ps.bigpond.com (mta05ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1DHC7109879 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:12:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from creecom.threnody.org ([144.135.25.75]) by mta05ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GRHEG600.CSJ for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:12:06 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-136-224.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.136.224]) by PSMAM03.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 83/205540); 14 Feb 2002 03:12:05 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020214040941.00a11d90@mail.bigpond.com> X-Sender: threnody@mail.bigpond.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Threnody Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Delurk and interesting auction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 04:10:38 +1100 Status: RO Hi, This is my first post to the list, so hello. :) My name is Sonia, and I'm from Melbourne, Australia. I'm not full-time at it yet, but I do dressmaking of gothy/historical-inspired clothes and corsets mostly by word of mouth. Being reasonably competent at modern sewing, I'm now trying to learn historic techniques and hoping to make costume that's rather more authentic. I have made a Renaissance dress from the Janet Arnold books which was...ok...for a first attempt, I guess. I also make jewellery. Anyway, enough about me. If anyone else on this list is in Australia, particularly Sydney, in case you didn't already know, the ABC is auctioning off a whole lot of props from its Gore St studios - including men's, women's, and children's period clothing and footwear (mostly 1788+, but there are a few lots marked "medieval"), as well as a whole pile of other props from costume dramas. You do have to register (free) to view the whole catalogue. (I'm not associated with any of this in any way, merely thought it of interest.) The address is: http://www.soldbyauctioneers.com.au (Search for auctions in Sydney on February 24) I don't know that they're 100% authentic, but they're reportedly of decent quality, given the ABC's reputation for Colonial Australian Dramas. :) - Sonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:44:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15763 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:44:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H3O7M07533; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:24:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H3O0512696; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H3Nm512661 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:23:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2483AE0380; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:23:52 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c1b762$5d57d5c0$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <001901c1b3f2$d92ac180$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oscar Nominations X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:22:43 -0500 Status: RO Hmmm.... it took four days for this message to make it on the list. I thought Comcast was supposed to be faster. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 21:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15794 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:53:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H3X7M07902; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H3X0514792; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H3Wv514744 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:32:57 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id TAA13320 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202170350.TAA13320@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] stupid question time Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:50:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I almost never use zippers, unless I'm doing something like removable pillow cases. I need to know how an "invisible" zipper is different from a normal dress zipper. If anyone has pointers to a web site that has "installing zippers for dummies" type instructions, I'd love it. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 22:26:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15872 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H468M09268; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:06:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H460521596; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H45M521467 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:05:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.76.178a8804 (4587) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:05:18 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <76.178a8804.29a085fe@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stupid question time To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:05:18 EST Status: RO An invisible zipper is differently made from a regular zipper--the teeth sort of curl in so they don't show at all--where the zipper is just looks like a regular seam. Only the zipper pull shows. Some people had problems with this first generation--they tended to come open under stress. They disappeared from the market for years and then made a comeback in ready-to-wear and then for home sewers again. In fact, my first encounter with one after re-introduction was in a Liz Claiborne dress. The dress was too long and, since the skirt was made with sunburst pleats, I had to shorten it at the waist, which meant taking out and reinstalling the bottom of the zipper. Fortunately, I had my old foot and dug out my directions to refresh my memory. It takes a special foot to install one, and the zipper must be put in before the seam is sewn. I learned to put one in when they first came out, circa 1970. I have a book that Talon put out years ago and also some brochures by Coats & Clark on how to put in zippers. (I was a home economics major back then.) Try these companies and see if they instructions on line. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 22:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15908 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:35:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H4F7M09679; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H4F1523809; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H4EN523626 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:14:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net16sp112.directcon.net [209.233.107.112]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26454; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:14:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020216195545.007db650@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] ready made children's costumes? In-Reply-To: <76.178a8804.29a085fe@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:55:45 -0800 Status: RO Hi everyone. I'm putting together the costume workshops and guidelines for a renaissance faire that my children's school is presenting, and a number of the mothers have told me that they do NOT want to sew costumes for themselves or their children, they want to buy them ready made. Can anyone point me to reasonably good sources for children's Ren wear? I know about Chivalry Sports, but I'd like to have a few more options on the list. Price probably isn't much of an object, as the people who don't want to sew seem to be those who enjoy rather comfortable circumstances (to put it demurely). Margo "One Tough Costumer" Costume Classes in Northern California: www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.htm See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Feb 16 22:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15955 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:54:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H4Y7M10307; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:34:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H4Y1527816; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H4Xv527797 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:33:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.193.6] (as-5-20.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.6]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1H4Y3j15511 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:34:03 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book opinions? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:35:35 -0800 Status: RO At 9:09 AM -0500 2/11/02, Grace Morris wrote: >Smith, Charles H. (1989) Ancient costumes of Great Britian and >Ireland From the Druids to the Tudors. >.....sounds kind of dicey to me..Druids?...reprint of a Victorian work? Yup. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 02:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16496 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:41:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1H8LAM17610; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:21:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H8L1515165; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f229.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.229]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1H8Kb515088 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 01:20:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:20:40 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.237 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:20:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.237] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ready made children's costumes? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2002 08:20:40.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC0BE660:01C1B78B] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:20:36 -0800 Status: RO Fairy tale designs does the most wonderful little girl's Italian Renn. She is reasonable and reliable. Check out http://www.fairytaledesigns.freeservers.com Jennifer they want to buy them ready made. Can anyone >point me to reasonably good sources for children's Ren wear? I know about >Chivalry Sports, but I'd like to have a few more options on the list. >Price probably isn't much of an object, as the people who don't want to sew >seem to be those who enjoy rather comfortable circumstances (to put it >demurely). > >Margo _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 09:26:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22121 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:26:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HF6GM26244; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HF60507395; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HF5w507382 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:05:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1HF66cd009112 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p5.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.133]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04972 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:06:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202171506.KAA04972@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] that Butterick Retro pattern In-Reply-To: References: <200202112039.MAA25216@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:06:53 -0500 Status: RO At 04:47 PM 02/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Speaking of which, does anyone know of a good pattern for a 1940s-1950s >type girdle/long-line bra? > >Thanks, > >Drea I've been trying to find one, with no success. I think I'm going to have to drape one or something. Kass bought an actual vintage girdle online, but I'd be worried about wearing that -- who knows how fragile the fabric would be? If I can find one on ebay that matches my measurements (when I start looking again; I haven't looked recently) I might buy it and try to trace the lines... -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 09:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22210 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:58:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HFcBM27396; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:38:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HFc0514487; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HFbi514418 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1HFbrcd011999 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:37:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p5.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.133]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA06888 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:37:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:38:40 -0500 Status: RO Hey, folks, My hubby and I just ripped out the wall-to-wall carpet and put down wooden flooring in the bedroom (for my allergies), and are probably going to do the same to the rest of the house, one room at a time... which means that _eventually_ we'll get around to re-flooring my sewing room, too. While we're doing this, we'll probably also repaint the walls and fix other stuff that needs attention. This brings the question -- what color are the walls in your sewing room? I visited one friend's house, and saw that hers are black -- maybe so the paint hue doesn't influence her color perception, though white might work as well for that. I've thought about a sky blue color... decisions, decisions! -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 11:12:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22525 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:12:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HGqBM00392; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HGq0502282; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HGpg502227 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:51:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:51:51 -0800 Received: from 65.65.99.16 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:51:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.99.16] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] stupid question time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2002 16:51:51.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[658F09E0:01C1B7D3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:51:50 Status: RO Actually, my first attempt at installing a zipper was with an invisible zipper. (within the past thirty days). The directions that came with it didn't require a special foot - just a normal zipper foot. They did require some ironing, though. I hand basted it in, but didn't find it difficult. Mary/Katerine >An invisible zipper is differently made from a regular zipper--the teeth >sort >of curl in so they don't show at all--where the zipper is just looks like a >regular seam. Only the zipper pull shows. Some people had problems with >this first generation--they tended to come open under stress. They >disappeared from the market for years and then made a comeback in >ready-to-wear and then for home sewers again. In fact, my first encounter >with one after re-introduction was in a Liz Claiborne dress. The dress was >too long and, since the skirt was made with sunburst pleats, I had to >shorten >it at the waist, which meant taking out and reinstalling the bottom of the >zipper. Fortunately, I had my old foot and dug out my directions to >refresh >my memory. > >It takes a special foot to install one, and the zipper must be put in >before >the seam is sewn. I learned to put one in when they first came out, circa >1970. I have a book that Talon put out years ago and also some brochures >by >Coats & Clark on how to put in zippers. (I was a home economics major back >then.) Try these companies and see if they instructions on line. > >Ann Wass >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 11:53:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22703 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:53:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HHXBM02243; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:33:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HHX0511002; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:33:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HHWb510920 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:32:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.99.21f50038 (4461) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:32:37 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <99.21f50038.29a14334@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.21f50038.29a14334_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:32:36 EST Status: RO --part1_99.21f50038.29a14334_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit White is too glaring and black too depressing. My sewing room walls are sort of a soft sand (light beige) color. It doesn't scream at me and doesn't look too boring (of course most of it is covered with thread racks, shelves, lots of windows and even some pictures). It is about to need repainting and I will probably stay with that general color -- light and neutral and not distracting. Just my opinion. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_99.21f50038.29a14334_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      White is too glaring and black too depressing.  My sewing room walls are sort of a soft sand (light beige) color.  It doesn't scream at me and doesn't look too boring (of course most of it is covered with thread racks, shelves, lots of windows and even some pictures).  It is about to need repainting and I will probably stay with that general color -- light and neutral and not distracting.  Just my opinion.

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--part1_99.21f50038.29a14334_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 12:24:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22810 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:24:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HI4CM03588; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:04:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HI41517812; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe43.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HI3M517683 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:03:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:03:26 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.28.13] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Cc: "cici jewell" Subject: Re: [h-cost] ready made children's costumes?SCA sources MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1800 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1B79A.54A17AC0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2002 18:03:26.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C3C9F0:01C1B7DD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 10:03:21 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1B79A.54A17AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to plug the SCA, but there are some merchants that do sell reasonab= ly good children's garb. I don't have the URL for the Merchants web page= , but I'm cc:ing Pricilla a person who I know could point you in the righ= t direction. Again, I am sorry for the use of bandwidth for SCA... Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Margo Anderson Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:22 PM To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] ready made children's costumes? Hi everyone. I'm putting together the costume workshops and guidelines fo= r a renaissance faire that my children's school is presenting, and a number of the mothers have told me that they do NOT want to sew costumes for themselves or their children, they want to buy them ready made. Can anyo= ne point me to reasonably good sources for children's Ren wear? I know abou= t Chivalry Sports, but I'd like to have a few more options on the list. Price probably isn't much of an object, as the people who don't want to s= ew seem to be those who enjoy rather comfortable circumstances (to put it demurely). Margo "One Tough Costumer" Costume Classes in Northern California: www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.= htm See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1B79A.54A17AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to plug = the SCA, but there are some merchants that do sell reasonably good childr= en's garb.  I don't have the URL for the Merchants web page, but I'm= cc:ing Pricilla a person who I know could point you in the right directi= on.
 
Again, I am sorry for the use of bandwid= th for SCA...
 
Gia/Giacinta
 =
----- Original Message -----
From: Margo An= derson
Sent: Saturday, Febru= ary 16, 2002 8:22 PM
To: h-c= ostume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] ready made children's costumes?
&n= bsp;
Hi everyone. I'm putting together the costume workshops and gui= delines for
a renaissance faire that my children's school is presentin= g, and a number
of the mothers have told me that they do NOT want to s= ew costumes for
themselves or their children, they want to buy them re= ady made.  Can anyone
point me to reasonably good sources for chi= ldren's Ren wear?  I know about
Chivalry Sports, but I'd like to = have a few more options on the list.
Price probably isn't much of an o= bject, as the people who don't want to sew
seem to be those who enjoy = rather comfortable circumstances (to put it
demurely).

Margo
"One Tough Costumer"

Costume Classes in Northern California:&= nbsp; www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.htm

See the Historic Costume= Patterns website at margospatterns.com
______________________________= _________________
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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1B79A.54A17AC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 12:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22844 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:33:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HIDAM04053; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:13:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HID0519798; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HIC9519516 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:12:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1HIDCF02768 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22752 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:16:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:16:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > This brings the question -- what color are the walls in your sewing room? > I visited one friend's house, and saw that hers are black -- maybe so the > paint hue doesn't influence her color perception, though white might work > as well for that. I've thought about a sky blue color... decisions, > decisions! > > -- Mara Mine are white...not that I see them much. :) 80% of the walls are covered with shelves, bookcases, a clothes rack, costume pictures I've taped up, a hat rack and cabinets. I never thought about it before, but a really light color would reflect the most light, always a good thing when sewing. Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 13:00:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22945 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:00:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HIeBM05231; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:40:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HIe1525728; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HIdx525714 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:39:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cWEJ-000MtA-0U; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:40:07 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> In-Reply-To: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:07:08 +0000 Status: RO I just use knitting yarn. That's the point - it breaks very easily in a single thread, but once made into cord, it's very strong. I can't rip it with my hands. It does wear through quite quickly if against a rough edge, though. Jean Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote > >Okay, so I understand the idea, since it's similar to knitting spools >and kumihimo. What type of thead/cord/fibre do you use for making >lucet cord? It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to >be a decent cord. And the cheap crochet threads have the same problem. >So what are you guys using? > >[contemplating my bag of random wooden shapes and thinking that it >wouldn't be too hard...] >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 >Head Muso, White Rats Morris >Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. >"A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 13:00:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22949 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:00:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HIeKM05246; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:40:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HIeA525775; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HIdx525715 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:39:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16cWEJ-000MtA-0U; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:40:07 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> In-Reply-To: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:07:08 +0000 Status: RO I just use knitting yarn. That's the point - it breaks very easily in a single thread, but once made into cord, it's very strong. I can't rip it with my hands. It does wear through quite quickly if against a rough edge, though. Jean Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote > >Okay, so I understand the idea, since it's similar to knitting spools >and kumihimo. What type of thead/cord/fibre do you use for making >lucet cord? It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to >be a decent cord. And the cheap crochet threads have the same problem. >So what are you guys using? > >[contemplating my bag of random wooden shapes and thinking that it >wouldn't be too hard...] >Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 >Head Muso, White Rats Morris >Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. >"A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 14:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23359 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:52:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HKWCM09976; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:32:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKW0520649; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKVN520384 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:31:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m80.in-tch.com [216.166.191.80]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1HKJqr06481 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:19:52 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C70143C.6305BD04@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:36:12 -0700 Status: RO Mine are fake paneling, because that's what the landlord's got up . I've actually got a fairly "dark" house (well, trailer), because it's oriented in such a way that any incoming natural light is pretty indirect...does a wonderful job killing plants, etc. So, when I need light to sew by, I crank up a table lamp or something. And if I need to pay particular attention to cutting something out, I take it somewhere like work (on the weekends, no one's there, and I have a key, and we have nice, big floors), or a baronial arts night (we meet at a fire station, and they have nice, big tables). If I had my druthers, though, I'd have off-white walls, wood floors (oak, maybe), and wood molding/sashes. And nice area rugs. None of this nasty carpet cr@p..... --sue Mara Riley wrote: > > This brings the question -- what color are the walls in your sewing room? > I visited one friend's house, and saw that hers are black -- maybe so the > paint hue doesn't influence her color perception, though white might work > as well for that. I've thought about a sky blue color... decisions, > decisions! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 15:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23422 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:04:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HKiBM10809; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:44:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKi0524113; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:44:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKhU523954 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:43:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-38lc2oo.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.11.24]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16cY9r-0006bN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:43:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C6DC13E.F435A5DB@in-tch.com> References: <3C6D20BF.7030007@tds.net> <3C6DC13E.F435A5DB@in-tch.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Let's hear it for the blonde!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:59:20 -0800 Status: RO At 7:17 PM -0700 2/15/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: >A good friend and ex-roommate of mine, who owns/runs quite the >drycleaning place locally, says that a lot of times the "dry clean only" >warnings are not for the fabrics, so much as for the dyes. Good point. I've more or less trained myself to toss all new fabric into the laundry basket as soon as it gets in the door. The scuttlebut I've heard from quilters -- who all too frequently have problems with fabric dyes running and ending up where they shouldn't be -- is that fabric manufacturers say that most modern fabric dyes are designed to be washed in _warm_ water, and may be de-stabilized if they are washed in water that's too hot. BTW, better living through chemistry and all that -- I still hear people recommending salt and/or vinegar to "set" dye in fabric, but there are now much better things to use. There's a washing aid called "Retayne" that you can get in little 1-washer-load packages under other names at a semi-outrageous price, or if you have foresight, mail order much more cheaply (4 ounces for about $3) from places like Dharma Trading or your local quilt shop. I rely on it to pre-wash anything red or black, or anything else I think might run (African cottons, for instance). It only takes a tablespoon per wash load. Also, look in your local art supply store for a detergent called Synthropol. It works specifically to remove dye that has run onto another fabric, or otherwise isn't where it ought to be, and in my experience it works very well. If you don't have a local art supply store, this also is sold in fabric stores by Rit (the dye company) in small packets at a much inflated price (about $3 for one washer-load) under the name "Run-Away." As one among many former blondes, it helps to know about these things :))))) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 15:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23471 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:12:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HKqBM11241; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKq1526479; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1HKpm526398 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:51:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 13565 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 20:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([206.57.105.101]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Feb 2002 20:51:52 -0000 Message-ID: <016c01c1b7f4$5fdb5f00$656939ce@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <99.21f50038.29a14334@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0169_01C1B7CA.766E4720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:47:54 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0169_01C1B7CA.766E4720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You mean you can SEE your walls? Wow. . . .I'm impressed. . .=20 Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LalahTT@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? White is too glaring and black too depressing. My sewing room = walls are sort of a soft sand (light beige) color. It doesn't scream at = me and doesn't look too boring (of course most of it is covered with = thread racks, shelves, lots of windows and even some pictures). It is = about to need repainting and I will probably stay with that general = color -- light and neutral and not distracting. Just my opinion.=20 Lalah=20 Never Give up, Never Surrender,=20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -=20 Looking for a great gift? 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You mean  you can SEE your walls?  Wow. . = . .I'm=20 impressed. . .
 
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Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, = OSalamander
 
Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the = Titanic
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------=_NextPart_000_0169_01C1B7CA.766E4720-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 15:15:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23480 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HKtBM11426; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:55:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKt1527499; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01g.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.237]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1HKsP527326 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:54:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25507 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2002 20:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([206.57.105.101]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Feb 2002 20:54:29 -0000 Message-ID: <018e01c1b7f4$bdc08aa0$656939ce@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <200202170350.TAA13320@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] stupid question time MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:50:31 -0500 Status: RO The "instructions for dummies" are inside the zipper package on the paper they staple the zipper to. You don't NEED an invisible zipper foot, but you do need a zipper foot (although the IZF make life easier). I find they are easier than a regular zipper- and I change most patterns to accomidate them. Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Thompson-Herbert" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] stupid question time > > I almost never use zippers, unless I'm doing something like removable > pillow cases. I need to know how an "invisible" zipper is different > from a normal dress zipper. If anyone has pointers to a web site that > has "installing zippers for dummies" type instructions, I'd love it. > > Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 > Head Muso, White Rats Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 15:16:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23486 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:16:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HKuBM11492; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:56:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKu0527866; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HKt7527555 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:55:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.94.21a4db53 (3983) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:55:08 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <94.21a4db53.29a172ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:55:08 EST Status: RO In a message dated 17/2/02 2:52:48 PM, rosamund@frontiernet.net writes: << You mean you can SEE your walls? Wow. . . .I'm impressed. . . >> I'd be impressed if I could find the FLOOR! haven't seen it in years. Now what DID I set the sewing table on? Air? or just a thick area of fabric. hmmmmm. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 16:11:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23786 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:11:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HLpCM13696; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:51:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HLp0516041; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HLom515981 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from DELTAYLOR@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.b4.6bb3e99 (3925) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:50:40 -0500 (EST) From: DELTAYLOR@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:50:52 EST Status: RO My workroom is all white. The Walls are white the ceiling is white and the floor is a light gray-tan 12" tile floor. I am also a quilter so wanted a floor with a grid to it. I have both Florissant lights and incandescent lights along with 7 windows. When we built the new house this past year, I tried to think of everything I would want in a play (work) room and then had it built. Only thing I don't have in here is a refrigerator and stove. DH didn't want that since he would never see me again:-) Dianne in Dunlap _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 17:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24229 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:30:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1HNADM17740; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:10:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HNA1507813; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HN9N507643 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:09:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A82C7F902CE; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:09:32 -0600 Message-ID: <012c01c1b807$f714c560$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Wanted to share Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:34:09 -0500 Status: RO This is a wonderful website of V&A photographs from presentations to court. http://lafayette.150m.com/thumbscourt.html#1902 Have fun and don't droll on your keyboard. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 18:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24531 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:57:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I0bDM21823; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:37:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I0b1529612; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I0a7529271 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:36:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [68.61.33.252] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id AF834A7013C; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:49:07 -0600 Message-ID: <000d01c1b814$2dd56120$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <94.21a4db53.29a172ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:35:34 -0500 Status: RO Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. BTW - my walls are institutional green - done by the former resident. I never bothered to change it, and it doesn't bother me... -kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? > > In a message dated 17/2/02 2:52:48 PM, rosamund@frontiernet.net writes: > > << You mean you can SEE your walls? Wow. . . .I'm impressed. . . >> > > I'd be impressed if I could find the FLOOR! haven't seen it in years. Now > what DID I set the sewing table on? Air? or just a thick area of fabric. > hmmmmm. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 18:58:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24535 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:58:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I0cCM21853; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:38:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I0c0529937; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I0bL529662 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:37:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [68.61.33.252] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id AFCD4CE013C; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:50:21 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c1b814$5a64d9a0$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] anyone in Irvine, CA? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:36:48 -0500 Status: RO work is sending me to Irvine for a week - I will have some daytim/evening to run around - anyone want to play tour guide? -kel Kelly A Rinne http://www.costumedesign.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 19:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24556 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I0gBM22055; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I0g0501183; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I0f2500833 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.fd.13b98ae3 (4403) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:41:04 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:41:04 EST Status: RO In a message dated 17/2/02 6:38:04 PM, kelly@costumedesign.net writes: << Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. >> AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken sewing machine needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of trim and etc. Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the lost straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it swept in there. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 20:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24852 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:54:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I2YSM27950; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:34:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2Y0527891; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2Xe527824 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0432.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.13.178]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1I2Xo1139460 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C7067F0.DDBA6128@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:33:20 -0600 Status: RO Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Okay, so I understand the idea, since it's similar to knitting spools > and kumihimo. What type of thead/cord/fibre do you use for making > lucet cord? It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to > be a decent cord. And the cheap crochet threads have the same problem. > So what are you guys using? I use crochet thread with no problems. I think anything with alot of stretchiness would be a pain to work with, but not impossible to use. I have some #3 perle cotton I bought for an embroidery project and it turned out to be too big so I'll probably use it for lucetting instead. There's a Yahoo Lucet mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lucet/ . I don't believe you have to be a member of the list to read the archives. --Charlene -- It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef Stalin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 21:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24914 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:11:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I2pDM28581; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:51:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2p1502366; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9806.mail.yahoo.com (web9806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1I2oD501979 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:50:14 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020218025024.29042.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.224] by web9806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:50:24 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Y'all *have* sewing rooms??? ;-D I still don't (been "nudging" my husband forever for one)--I have to use my dining room table for a cutting/sewing table. Gets really difficult to find the table, chairs, and buffet around Pennsic... Kate --- LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 17/2/02 6:38:04 PM, kelly@costumedesign.net > writes: > > << Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. >> > > AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken > sewing machine > needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of > trim and etc. > Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the > lost > straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it > swept in there. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 21:19:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24929 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:19:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I2xDM28967; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2x0504232; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2wp504186 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:58:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a5.22f13ed8 (4403) for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:58:53 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? weird spots to sew. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:58:53 EST Status: RO In a message dated 17/2/02 8:51:56 PM, ailithmac@yahoo.com writes: << Y'all *have* sewing rooms??? ;-D >> Well, I've got my daughter's old room now that she's moved in my son's old room now that Nanna is in the nursing home and has her room there. It's new to me. I've spent the past 30 years or sew without one and stuck on the DR table and at one point on an end table. To the list- What's the weirdest spot you've had to sew on a regualr basis? For me it was walking 4 miles on a daily basis to go to a friends place to sew using her 2 tiered end table as a sewing table. My roommate had cats in quantity and not a one of them knew what a litter box was so I kept to my room (with added lock because the cats knew how to open doors) and sewed elsewhere. Thank goodness that only lasted about 8-9 months and I found someplace else to live. Divorce is interesting isn't it? Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 21:19:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24934 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:19:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I2wCM28868; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:58:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2w0503941; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I2vV503817 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:57:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1I2wQb11781 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:58:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020217205421.02d348c0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:00:00 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Having done the same thing for the same reasons, I wish you luck. Mine were light grey. According to my mother's colour psychology books grey is supposed to encourage creativity. Besides it was a nice neutral colour that wasn't white. Cheers, Danielle At 10:38 AM 2/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, folks, >My hubby and I just ripped out the wall-to-wall carpet and put down wooden >flooring in the bedroom (for my allergies), and are probably going to do >the same to the rest of the house, one room at a time... which means that >_eventually_ we'll get around to re-flooring my sewing room, too. While >we're doing this, we'll probably also repaint the walls and fix other stuff >that needs attention. > >This brings the question -- what color are the walls in your sewing room? >I visited one friend's house, and saw that hers are black -- maybe so the >paint hue doesn't influence her color perception, though white might work >as well for that. I've thought about a sky blue color... decisions, >decisions! > >-- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 21:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25068 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:35:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I3FFM29875; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I3F1507829; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I3Ek507756 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2002.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.2]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27835 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3C707090.BD4E0473@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:10:08 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Lee, yarn is actually a nice material to use with a lucet. It makes a nice, springy cord that can be used where stretch would be useful. I use it in some of the waistbands of my 15th/17th Cent. netherbreeches. I have no documentation that it was done this way, but it gives me more comfort than the ones I have that use linen cording. It is almost like elastic. Mike T. PS If not made with yarn of decent quality, it can stretch and break. MJT > > It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to > be a decent cord. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 22:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25325 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:24:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I44EM02281; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:04:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I440519330; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I43H519166 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.178.188]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020218040323.JJPH557.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:03:23 +0000 Message-ID: <3C707E42.1BDF4424@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:08:34 -0500 Status: RO My sewing room has teal green carpet and white walls. I have plans to paint a border around the top of the room on two of the walls that will read, " This is the place where dreams come alive, and fantasies become reality." For now I have the saying pinned on the bulletin board above my ironing board. Oh and of course the obligatory bookcases and stacks of fabric crawling their way towards the ceiling..... Down velvet! Down linen! back in your boxes! Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 22:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25337 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:28:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I48CM02557; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I480520264; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I470520050 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1I47tb03728 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:07:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020217220824.02ba8620@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question In-Reply-To: <3C707090.BD4E0473@dandy.net> References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:11:32 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, That reminds me, at Kalamazoo two years ago there was a paper given by a lady from La Belle Compagnie http://www.labelle.org/ about men's braies (? the underwear layer). She had some interesting documentation and found that wool lucet cord seemed to work best. You could probably track her down through the site if you're interested... Cheers, Danielle At 10:10 PM 2/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, All. Lee, yarn is actually a nice material to use with a lucet. It >makes a nice, springy cord that can be used where stretch would be useful. >I use it in some of the waistbands of my 15th/17th Cent. netherbreeches. I >have no documentation that it was done this way, but it gives me more >comfort than the ones I have that use linen cording. It is almost like >elastic. Mike T. PS If not made with yarn of decent quality, it can >stretch and break. MJT > > > It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to > > be a decent cord. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 22:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25388 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:43:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I4NCM03273; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I4N0523679; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout6-int.prodigy.net (pimout6-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I4M5523458 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:22:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-20-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.20]) by pimout6-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1I4MB6135024 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:22:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c1b834$adc71480$14882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <20020218025024.29042.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:28:08 -0500 Status: RO Wouldn't understand that, getting ready for Gulf Wars and all..... :-D (for people not familiar with the SCA, both Pennsic and Gulf Wars are big events which often lead to lots of new outfits, and lots of panic sewing just beforehand, especially if one has children.):-) Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate" To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? > Y'all *have* sewing rooms??? ;-D > > I still don't (been "nudging" my husband forever for one)--I have to > use my dining room table for a cutting/sewing table. Gets really > difficult to find the table, chairs, and buffet around Pennsic... > > Kate > > > --- LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 17/2/02 6:38:04 PM, kelly@costumedesign.net > > writes: > > > > << Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. >> > > > > AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken > > sewing machine > > needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of > > trim and etc. > > Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the > > lost > > straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it > > swept in there. > > Lady G > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 22:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25398 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:44:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I4OCM03334; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I4O0523880; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout6-int.prodigy.net (pimout6-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I4Nx523872 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-20-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.20]) by pimout6-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1I4O96181678 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:24:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c1b834$f24c9580$14882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? weird spots to sew. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:30:07 -0500 Status: RO I think I'll just say that it flushes. :-} Moira . > To the list- > What's the weirdest spot you've had to sew on a regualr basis? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 23:05:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25478 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:05:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I4jFM04348; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:45:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I4j2528630; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I4i8528431 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:44:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-27.radiks.net ([206.29.243.29] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16cff1-0000E2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:44:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020217223404.00ab3dd0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200202180405.g1I452519575@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room color Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:43:20 -0600 Status: RO In our new house (since last April), my sewing room (and hubby's) are decorated with what the former owners had because they're a lower priority for refinishing than the "public" spaces. It's not bad, though - his is light blue wallpaper with a small floral pattern, blue drapes, and (ugh) brown carpet. Mine is pale pink wallpaper with a white floral pattern - normally I don't like pink, but this is kind of pearlized so it looks a little like pink pearls. The carpet is an almost-red burgundy, which I like - but then I'm a U of Nebraska Big Red fan. The curtains are off-white lace. We both have ceiling fans and window a/c to boost the central air conditioning when it's really hot. His room is like 15' x 18', mine is something like 13' x 14'. Much better than the tiny 8' x 10' room I had in the old house - he sewed in the living room. He gets the bigger one because all his video dubbing stuff is in there too. Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 23:35:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25573 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:35:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I5FFM05503; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:15:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I5F2505237; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1I5EJ504950 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:14:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020218051430.21417.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.222.22.11] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:14:30 PST From: Joe Cool Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:14:30 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > This brings the question -- what color are the walls in your > sewing room? > I visited one friend's house, and saw that hers are black -- > maybe so the > paint hue doesn't influence her color perception, though white > might work as well for that. Currently dark green... which i find horrible especially at night working w/ dark thread on dark fabric. Just bought it and havent had a chance to inflict my color sense on things. Soon, soon! Previous house had "oyster". Nice & neutral, good for deciding which braid, trim, lining goes with fabric. No color "twisting". OTOH, I did love the pink LR. Made people look healthy. ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Feb 17 23:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25584 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I5JEM05674; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:19:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I5J0506067; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I5Ip506002 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:18:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.53.127bb8dc (4533) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:18:52 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <53.127bb8dc.29a1e8bc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 00:18:52 EST Status: RO In a message dated 17/2/02 10:23:48 PM, moirabeaneoin@prodigy.net writes: << Wouldn't understand that, getting ready for Gulf Wars and all..... :-D >> 3 weeks and counting! ARGH! Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 01:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA25808 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:09:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1I6nIM08992; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I6n1525174; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1I6mx525160 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:48:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-12-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.12]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g1I6nAp182856 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c1b849$3544a8a0$0c882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: <53.127bb8dc.29a1e8bc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 01:55:09 -0500 Status: RO Don't remind me! :-} I still have garb for the 6 of us to do, and to get dh to put the trailer in back so we can empty it and pack it just right for when we get onsite. :-p Moira ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? > > In a message dated 17/2/02 10:23:48 PM, moirabeaneoin@prodigy.net writes: > > << Wouldn't understand that, getting ready for Gulf Wars and all..... :-D >> > > 3 weeks and counting! ARGH! > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 06:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22465 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:23:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IC3HM18210; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IC31506554; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IC2A506426 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:02:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEF37FPAM800N912@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:04:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEF37EUH5000P3QM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:04:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:58:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:57:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.60) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:57:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? In-reply-to: <200202171539.g1HFdE514865@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <44702320D9D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:57:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > This brings the question -- what color are the walls in your sewing > room? I visited one friend's house, and saw that hers are black -- > maybe so the paint hue doesn't influence her color perception, though > white might work as well for that. I've thought about a sky blue > color... decisions, decisions! Our sewing room was just finished last year - we had it built specially with a storage room in the roofspace above for fabrics and re-enactment equipment. Bright yellow.... with the woodwork in orange, purple, red green adn blue - theose lovely vivid "childrens paintbox" shades. I took some of my godson's lego-bricks along when I got the paints mixed so I could get the right intensity of colour (which took care of the yellow, green, blue and red) and matched the purple up to a favourite jacket and the orange to my bright-orange T-strap shoes. The worktop (right across the room under the window) for the sewing machines is a dark "pine effect" finish and the wall- unit/shelves/hangingrail system are all uncoloured pine (IVAR system from IKEA if anyone's familiar with it.... *love* that stuff) The flooring is one of those light wood-effect laminates - I was impressed by the big shops and DIY outlets who use it on their own floors and it stands up so well to all those customers tramping around on it daily. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 06:36:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22501 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:36:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ICGEM18546; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ICG0508793; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ICFD508645 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEF3NOUB8G00NUKJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:17:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEF3NFWLFW00NIL2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:11:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:11:03 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.60) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:11:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? In-reply-to: <200202180405.g1I459519608@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4473BF565AC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:11:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Y'all *have* sewing rooms??? ;-D > > I still don't (been "nudging" my husband forever for one)--I have to > use my dining room table for a cutting/sewing table. You have a *dining* room? That was the first room to go! The room that was meant to be the dining room (according regular house layouts and the estate- agent's blurb type stuff) has been Tom's art studio since the day he moved in. We eat form plates on our laps or on lap-trays (special occasions we drag out the table from the corner of the livingroom). Until the sewing room was built, we used the bigger of the two "spare" bedrooms as the sewing room and the smaller as hanging- space/costume storage. Now we have a spare bedroom (eventually to be lined in bookshelves for my books which are *still* in storage...) and and a study with the computer table, filing cabinet and a big old writing-desk in it (plus all the books that should be on shelves in the hallway and will be again as soon as we get around to finisheing redecorating... it's been ground to a halt since last May when we ran out of steam after completing the sewingroom....) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 06:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22632 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ICMFM18779; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:22:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ICM0510379; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ICLC510190 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:21:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13776.; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:29:19 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:21:24 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: jewelery for identity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1ICLC510190 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:20:58 +0000 Status: RO No, David Hockney isn't a sculptor, but a painter and graphic artist. I saw a TV programme about his theories - interesting, but other experts dispute whether the facts are a clear-cut as he likes to make out. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> lithiate@earthlink.net 02/17/02 12:22am >>> > > PS: Has anybody followed the "recent" controversy about the Old Masters > using optics to create perspective in their paintings? I think I've heard > about that since I was a kid -- but it's suddenly news. As my art history professor put it so eloquently last week when the question came up... "Duh." Apparently this has been common knowledge for generations, but only now is someone making a stink about it. Someone who is a sculpture artist, no less... Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 06:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22637 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:44:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ICOFM18864; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ICO0510735; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ICNb510681 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEF3XPG5DS00MQL8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEF3XHHMCQ00NIL2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:25:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:19:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:19:28 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.60) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:19:18 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. In-reply-to: <200202180405.g1I459519608@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4475FD90F1F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:19:18 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > What's the weirdest spot you've had to sew on a regualr basis? When I fist got into historical stuff I was sharing a flat - which pretty much meant I had my room and that was it. The room was about siz feet wide, ten feet long and over 15 feet tall (can you imagine the teetering piles of stored stuff stacked up as high as I could get it? My bed was as narrow as you could get them without resorting to camp-beds (and even then it was close) and there wasn't much room for other furnishings once the wardrobe (too full for the doors to ever be shut) chest of drawers and flap-fronted compueter desk were in.... If I wanted to sew I had to balance a shelf across a teeny gap between the chest of drawers and some stacking storage- boxes (with books under one end to make the shelf even at both ends) and set the machine up on that. And there was nowhere to cut out either.... no wonder I started on tight-fitting hose and teensy little Italian doublets! Then there were the numerous places where the sewing machine was set up on a coffee table in the livingroom and I knelt on the floor to use it (operating the pedal with my knee) Teddy (sewing room, worktops for the machine, huge expanse of floor to cut out on - when it's clear...... Sewing in the lap of luxury) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 07:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22948 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:35:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IDFIM20363; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:15:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDF2519769; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDEI519615 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.43.6c3cd42 (4540) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:14:25 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <43.6c3cd42.29a25831@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:14:25 EST In a message dated 18/2/02 6:04:34 AM, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: << Our sewing room was just finished last year - we had it built specially with a storage room in the roofspace above for fabrics and re-enactment equipment. >> Now I REALLY want to see/dig thru/drool over Teddy's stash! Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 07:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23002 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:54:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IDYHM20954; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:34:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDY1523420; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDXe523354 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1IDXrcd017774 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA03538 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:33:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question In-Reply-To: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:09:02 -0500 At 04:43 PM 02/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Okay, so I understand the idea, since it's similar to knitting spools >and kumihimo. What type of thead/cord/fibre do you use for making >lucet cord? It seems to me that yarn would break too easily to >be a decent cord. And the cheap crochet threads have the same problem. >So what are you guys using? I've used crochet thread; you just can't tighten it down so much that pulling the thread breaks it. Like knitting -- if you work on your tension, it's not hard, but if you let it get too tight, it's nearly impossible. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 08:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23065 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:04:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IDiFM21411; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:44:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDi1525636; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDhm525571 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:43:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1IDi2cd018950 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA06041 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:43:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202181343.IAA06041@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:44:55 -0500 At 07:41 PM 02/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >In a message dated 17/2/02 6:38:04 PM, kelly@costumedesign.net writes: > ><< Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. >> > >AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken sewing machine >needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of trim and etc. >Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the lost >straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it swept in there. >Lady G That's why I really need to redecorate that room... the carpet (light blue) is covered with fuzzies from the last few corduroy and velvet projects, and I'm constantly dropping pins on the floor (which I try to find immediately, as I like to walk around in bare feet most of the time). We just put oak flooring in the bedroom, for the sake of my allergies, and painted the walls and ceiling while we were at it. The walls are the exact same shade of red as a Victorinox swiss army knife. Very dramatic. I'd like to redo the whole house... I'm so sick of 'builder beige' paint! Tile is an interesting idea for a sewing room floor, but I think the wood would be warmer underfoot... Will have to give it some thought. A good tip I got from Threads a while back was to put a cork bulletin board on the wall above my cutting table. It holds LOTS of stuff -- like the sewing instructions from patterns, so they're not lost under the fabric on the cutting table, or xeroxes of illustrations from Arnold if I'm trying to drape something. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 08:07:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23088 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:07:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IDlGM21521; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:47:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDl1526254; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IDkJ526105 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1IDkXcd019199 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p18.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA06577 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:46:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202181346.IAA06577@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? In-Reply-To: <20020218025024.29042.qmail@web9806.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:47:26 -0500 At 06:50 PM 02/17/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Y'all *have* sewing rooms??? ;-D > >I still don't (been "nudging" my husband forever for one)--I have to >use my dining room table for a cutting/sewing table. Gets really >difficult to find the table, chairs, and buffet around Pennsic... > >Kate Hey, I figure that Kevin has the garage for his projects, why shouldn't I have a room for _my_ projects, too? My sewing room used to be in the dining room in our old house. Kevin got very tired of fabric being strewn everywhere. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 08:56:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27305 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:56:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IEaIM23970; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:36:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IEa1508708; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IEZG508298 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:35:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349FA10F133 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ip4.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.4]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3E8E3A80FB for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:50:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <019401c1b869$db3efe20$04604e40@suscom.net> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 05:48:53 -0500 Sweeping my floor is an adventure. I have four kids at home, six birds , and I sew-- never know what might turn up! Luckily, I have no other pets (DH doesn't count) so at least there aren't any "gifties" left for me. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? > > In a message dated 17/2/02 6:38:04 PM, kelly@costumedesign.net writes: > > << Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. >> > > AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken sewing machine > needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of trim and etc. > Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the lost > straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it swept in there. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 09:14:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27403 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:14:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IEsFM25097; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IEs1513855; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1IErf513786 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:53:41 -0700 (MST) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Mon Feb 18 08:53:53 2002 -0600 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:53:53 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1IErf513786 Subject: [h-cost] Lucet Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:53:43 -0600 I've used a fine cotton string (almost a thread) for narrow cords to use for ties on shirt collars and cuffs, they work great! We had a bunch of odd balls of crochet cotton around camp last summer (Wal-mart had a sale :) ) and that is what several folks learned on, it was used for everything from corset lacings to strings for medallions, very sturdy. And in the category of perfect timing, I just got my copy of the spring issue of Sampler and Antique Needlework and it had an article on lucets by Kathleen Staples! She notes that the earliest English reference to the lucet was about 1650 and that at one time in history it was how a poor person could earn a few pennies. Catherine Oh yeah, and the color of the walls in my sewing room? Fabric, of course, (I can't see the walls)!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 09:26:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27487 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:26:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IF6GM26005; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IF61517630; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IF5J517462 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA22348.; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:13:28 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:05:32 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wanted to share Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1IF5J517462 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:05:32 +0000 Very good, though it takes a long time to load. I liked even better the linked site of the Devonshire House (fancy dress) Ball. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> penny@costumegallery.com 02/17/02 10:34pm >>> This is a wonderful website of V&A photographs from presentations to court. http://lafayette.150m.com/thumbscourt.html#1902 Have fun and don't droll on your keyboard. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 10:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27710 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 10:21:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IG0HM00586; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IG01506831; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 09:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21405.mail.yahoo.com (web21405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.75]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1IFxw506801 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:59:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020218160012.63705.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.6.81.219] by web21405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:00:12 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] 1920's style shoes (UK) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:00:12 +0000 (GMT) Does anyone know where I can get some 1920's style shoes? I'm looking for the heeled shoes with the strap just below the ankle. Supplier preferably in the UK. The nearest I've found is dance shoes which look roughtly the right style. Can anyone help? Thanks Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 13:29:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28713 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:29:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IJ9HM18275; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:09:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJ90500889; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJ83500523 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16e.9074ead (16934) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:08:08 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.9074ead.29a2ab17@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color -- Rugs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16e.9074ead.29a2ab17_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:08:07 EST --part1_16e.9074ead.29a2ab17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only once did I have a sewing room with a carpet on the floor and it will NEVER happen again. I didn't exactly loose the pins and needles and sewing machine needle tips, I just found them with my bare feet. I won't even have a throw rug in the sewing room. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_16e.9074ead.29a2ab17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Only once did I have a sewing room with a carpet on the floor and it will NEVER happen again.  I didn't exactly loose the pins and needles and sewing machine needle tips, I just found them with my bare feet.  I won't even have a throw rug in the sewing room.

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--part1_16e.9074ead.29a2ab17_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 13:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28766 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IJCGM18552; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJC1502326; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJB7501807 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a8.6c08551 (2612) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:11:14 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color -- Rugs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:11:14 EST In a message dated 18/2/02 1:10:09 PM, LalahTT@aol.com writes: << I won't even have a throw rug in the sewing room. >> Always knew you were a smart cookie Lalah. Or is that a smart baklava? :-} Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 13:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28964 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:40:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IJJHM19109; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJJ1505345; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJIF504920 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from DELTAYLOR@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.69.2256bad9 (17377) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:18:17 -0500 (EST) From: DELTAYLOR@aol.com Message-ID: <69.2256bad9.29a2ad79@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_69.2256bad9.29a2ad79_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:18:17 EST --part1_69.2256bad9.29a2ad79_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/17/2002 3:52:06 PM Central Standard Time, DELTAYLOR@aol.com writes: > have both Florissant lights I wonder what Florissant lights look like. That is what comes from writing messages after taking medicine for a cold. Dianne in Dunlap --part1_69.2256bad9.29a2ad79_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/17/2002 3:52:06 PM Central Standard Time, DELTAYLOR@aol.com writes:


have both Florissant lights


I wonder what Florissant lights look like.  That is what comes from writing messages after taking medicine for a cold.
Dianne in Dunlap --part1_69.2256bad9.29a2ad79_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 14:00:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29238 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:00:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IJeGM20993; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:40:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJe0514972; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJd8514532 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:39:08 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA24635 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:57:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200202181957.LAA24635@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1920's style shoes (UK) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:57:10 -0800 (PST) > Does anyone know where I can get some 1920's style shoes? I'm looking for the heeled shoes with > the strap just below the ankle. Supplier preferably in the UK. The nearest I've found is dance > shoes which look roughtly the right style. Bleyer makes a 20s spectator style called the Suzie-Q. It's a german company, so there has _got_ to be a UK supplier. The sole is fairly soft/thin, so you'd need to have a cobbler put a harder sole it on them. I'm in the process of doing just that to one of my pairs. Photo: http://www.dancestore.com/1suzyq.html Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 14:17:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29607 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:17:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IJtGM22358; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:55:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJt0522243; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:55:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IJsv522221 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:54:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.88.1410936a (16934) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:55:01 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <88.1410936a.29a2b614@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.1410936a.29a2b614_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:55:00 EST --part1_88.1410936a.29a2b614_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/02 7:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > > Then there were the numerous places where the sewing machine > was set up on a coffee table in the livingroom and I knelt on the > floor to use it (operating the pedal with my knee) > > Oh Teddy, does that bring back memories. I remember a couple of apartments that were nothing more than one room with a tiny stove and fridge at one end and a tiny little bathroom. Did a lot of sewing sitting on the floor with the machine on the coffee table. I had forgotten all about that. Somehow, it didn't seem like a big deal way back then. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_88.1410936a.29a2b614_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/02 7:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:



Then there were the numerous places where the sewing machine
was set up on a coffee table in the livingroom and I knelt on the
floor to use it (operating the pedal with my knee)

   Oh Teddy, does that bring back memories.  I remember a couple of apartments that were nothing more than one room with a tiny stove and fridge at one end and a tiny little bathroom.  Did a lot of sewing sitting on the floor with the machine on the coffee table.  I had forgotten all about that.  Somehow, it didn't seem like a big deal way back then.

Lalah
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--part1_88.1410936a.29a2b614_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 14:28:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29804 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:28:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IK6GM23191; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IK60526741; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rebecca.tiscali.nl (rebecca.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IK5i526613 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:05:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-215-197.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.215.197]) by rebecca.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 53E0F8A3D1E for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:05:57 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C1B8B8.E7647BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:14:43 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C1B8B8.E7647BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi, Anybody know of this book?? The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield Making Common Garments 1200-1500 Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as historical illustrations and photographs. 224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C1B8B8.E7647BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi,
 
Anybody know of this book??

The Medieval Tailor's Assistant = by Sara=20 Thursfield
Making Common Garments 1200-1500
Contains over 400 line = drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as
historical illustrations = and=20 photographs.
224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour = plates,=20 paperback

 
Henk
 
 
Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages = clickable=20 from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
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--part1_161.907e240.29a2ba91_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 14:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30059 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:43:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IKNGM24736; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:23:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IKN1505488; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IKMM505191 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ive7ct.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.29.157] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16cuJ2-0006xG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:22:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3C7162B2.7060703@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book References: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:23:14 -0500 I saw it yesterday, I didn't get much chance to look, but the people who did (we were all costume people) were drooling... Kept saying things like "That's how you do that!" or "Look, (so-and-so) this is what I have been trying to explain to you." All seemed to want it. Anne Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Anybody know of this book?? > > The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield > Making Common Garments 1200-1500 > Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as > historical illustrations and photographs. > 224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback > > > > Henk > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 14:48:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30128 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:48:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IKSIM25296; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:28:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IKS1508190; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IKRQ507912 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:27:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-40-43-modem.o1.com [66.81.40.43]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1IKSe602148 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:28:40 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020218121510.00e0d240@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. In-Reply-To: <4475FD90F1F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200202180405.g1I459519608@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:16:55 -0800 > > What's the weirdest spot you've had to sew on a regualr basis? Once upon a time I decided, at an ACW camp-out event, that I really needed a corset cover, so I got some cloth in a nearby town and sat in the ladies' bathroom to sew it, because that was the only good light. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:06:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30590 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IKkHM27158; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:46:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IKk1516647; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IKjw516624 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:45:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1BD10F241 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ip4.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.4]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 401403A8007 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:47:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001001c1b8bd$40592bc0$04604e40@suscom.net> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: References: <4473BF565AC@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:45:50 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Sewing room wall color? > > > Y'all *have* sewing rooms??? ;-D > > > > I still don't (been "nudging" my husband forever for one)--I have to > > use my dining room table for a cutting/sewing table. > > You have a *dining* room? My kitchen table is always covered with fabric, sewing machine, rotary cutting ruler and mat, plus a stack of books or magazines. The kitchen counter has similar but smaller piles of fabric and magazines/books, aso does the microwave cart that actually holds the parakeets' cage. We eat, as Teddy does, from plates in our laps, or at the coffee table already brightly decorated by the children the last time they got paints. Our hobbies tend to explode all over the house! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:25:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30975 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:25:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IL4IM28892; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:04:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IL41525163; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IL3g524901 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:03:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g1IL4ArR011880 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:04:11 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: david hockney Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:06:27 -0800 Gail, Book is Secret Knowledge: _Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of the Old Masters_, David Hockney. For those of us who didn't do an Art History course in college with a professor who had a clue about how the work preferring on harping on the things like "symbolism" this is a real revelation. It is also fascinating for those of us who never took an Art History course in our lives. The people who seem to know about this as "duh" (not pointing at you or anyone else on this list) didn't bother to pass this knowledge on to the great unwashed until Mr. Hockney and Secret Knowledge brought it out into the sunlight like this. Also, I bought the book, not for the "Secret" but for the illustrations which are frequently close ups of bits of paintings like shoes and chandeliers, headwraps and books. I highly recommend it for the illos alone. Also, if you feel like you want to do a bit of living history on your own and see if you can duplicate a technique that the "Experts" have known about for years, or even if you already know how to paint like Van Eyck you might want the book. (The book has text!? I bought it for the pictures! Besides, I don't read Russian - Regina about a recent acquisition) Regina Romsey More on the optics "revelation" -- the current "Smithsonian" magazine has a feature on David Hockney and his "discovery that's rocking the art world," or some similar headline. There's a breathless bit about how it's "not just Caravaggio" -- but painter after painter who used these optics thingies! Honestly, don't any of these writers do their homework? I'm pretty sure the whole theory was in my college art history text. I'm going to look it up and, if so, send the magazine photocopies of the page. It's one thing to write about an old theory being suddenly interesting, and a very different thing to write about it as a new discovery. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30994 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IL6GM29066; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:06:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IL61526209; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IL5W526034 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:05:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.16]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020218210546.VDHT17715.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:05:46 +0100 Message-ID: <3C716C75.B600DE47@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: david hockney References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:04:53 +0100 Hi Yeahhhhh you are right. I was told the same thing in my school........ Nothing new here! Bjarne Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > More on the optics "revelation" -- the current "Smithsonian" magazine has a > feature on David Hockney and his "discovery that's rocking the art world," > or some similar headline. There's a breathless bit about how it's "not just > Caravaggio" -- but painter after painter who used these optics thingies! > > Honestly, don't any of these writers do their homework? I'm pretty sure the > whole theory was in my college art history text. I'm going to look it up > and, if so, send the magazine photocopies of the page. It's one thing to > write about an old theory being suddenly interesting, and a very different > thing to write about it as a new discovery. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:35:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31176 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:35:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ILEIM29743; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:14:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILE1529587; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILDH529319 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.16]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020218211332.VFEZ17715.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:13:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3C716E47.599F4B67@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] silke anette Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:12:39 +0100 Hello. Someone from h-costume told me about Silke Anette some time ago. She has a small shop in the basement of her house. Well i went to her today and droll droll........... Spended a fottune :-( I baught silk floss from her for more than 150 dollars and gold, real gold thread........ You would have fainted in the shop all of you if you saw what she had...... Silk fabrics, silk brocades and i am talking about 100% silk here. The most wonderfull goodies. People who danse in folk costumes, comes to her to buy original fabrics for their costumes...... But the prices :-( 300 dollars for 1 meter!!! If i was buying my fabrics from her, my costumes would never be sold......... But it was wonderfull silk floss'es she had. All hand dyed in the most beautifull colours. Yum Yum. When i have finished the 1770 suit, i know what i will make!!!!!!!!!! P.s. Silke Anette is a shop in Denmark where materials are scarce........... Bjarne -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31196 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:38:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ILIHM00175; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILI1501460; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILHX501295 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:17:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1ILIgm04624 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02672 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:21:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book In-Reply-To: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:21:36 -0500 (EST) I've paged through it. Great patterns--finally, a good how-to medieval costume book with authentic patterns! It looks geared toward the beginning to intermediate costumer, and toward practical construction rather than costume research. What I saw looked good, though. I plan to get a couple, to show to people interested in costuming but who don't know where to start. Drea On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Henk 't Jong - tScapreel wrote: > > Henk & Pauline 't Jong > tScapreel > Medieval Consultants > Dordrecht - Netherland > > > Hi, > > Anybody know of this book?? > > The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield > Making Common Garments 1200-1500 > Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as > historical illustrations and photographs. > 224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback > > > > Henk > > > Visit the colourful tScapreel website; > Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage > Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31220 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:39:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ILJGM00295; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILJ0502034; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILIY501854 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:18:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFBC4E006C; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:18:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c1b8c1$b1c59740$0200a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wanted to share X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:17:38 -0500 Kate, It took a while for to load for me too and I am on cable modem. It is well worth it when it does load. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:47:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31374 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ILQIM01178; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:26:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILQ1506469; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILPr506409 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:25:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1c-155.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.6.155]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07569; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:22:18 -0600 Message-ID: <3C71743C.7112B478@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Medieval Tailor's Assistant References: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> <3C7162B2.7060703@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:38:04 -0700 The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield Making Common Garments 1200-1500 Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as historical illustrations and photographs. 224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback $40 US Published November 2001 Ruth Bean Publishers (UK) Quite Specific Media (elsewhere) Available in the UK from http://www.paulmeekins.co.uk/ and in the US from http://www.poisonpenpres.com Costumers have been waiting for this book for a long time, and Ruth and Nigel Bean of Ruth Bean Publishers have brought it to us in a fine fashion. Sara Thursfield worked hard studying paintings, sculpture and other visual sources to interpret the costumes for us. Using the British block system (which Americans know as the "sloper"), Thursfield illuminates the shapes of garments worn in Western Europe during the Middle Ages. The basic patterns are laid out on a grid for the costumer to use, similar to the methods used by Janet Arnold and Jean Hunnisett. The strength of Thursfield's work lies in her differences from both Arnold and Hunnisett. Thursfield works from contemporary illustrations. Her designs and pattern charts work because they present the garments as they were seen by their original wearers. This differs dramatically from working with extant garments where not every measurement can be taken because of a garment's fragility or partial destruction. It also differs from the demands of the stage and screen. This approach allows costumers to refer to original documentation with a far more educated eye, and to interpret what their informed eye tells them with enhanced confidence. Thursfield has done what no other book author has done - she has put the entire wardrobe of the Middle Ages out to be interpreted by costumers. Underwear, outerwear, headgear, it's all there. This is not just about the final fancy layer. It is about the entire outfit. Costumers in the UK should rush to Paul Meekins' web site (http://www.paulmeekins.co.uk/) and everyone else to Devra Langsam's web site (http://www.poisonpenpress.com) and buy this book. Anyone lucky enough to be planning a trip to the Re-Enactor's Fair in Oxford, England on March 16-17 can buy the book directly from Paul Meekins. Respectfully submitted, Mary Denise Smith Costume & Dressmaker Press _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 15:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31544 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1ILaIM02113; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:36:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILa1511458; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1ILZa511264 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16cvRv-0005nf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:35:51 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] book Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1B89A.D7579480" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:39:32 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1B89A.D7579480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amazon did not list it but Barnes and Noble did. You had to cost me more money this month, didn't you? -Megan McHugh -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Henk 't Jong - tScapreel Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] book Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi, Anybody know of this book?? The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield Making Common Garments 1200-1500 Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as historical illustrations and photographs. 224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1B89A.D7579480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amazon=20 did not list it but Barnes and Noble did. You had to cost me more money = this=20 month, didn't you?
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Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi,
 
Anybody know of this book??

The Medieval Tailor's = Assistant by=20 Sara Thursfield
Making Common Garments 1200-1500
Contains over = 400 line=20 drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as
historical = illustrations and=20 photographs.
224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour = plates,=20 paperback

 
Henk
 
 
Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages=20 clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
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--part1_b8.23069ce1.29a2dbe9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 17:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32133 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:22:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IN2HM09808; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:02:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IN20519809; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IN1R519545 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:01:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1c-155.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.6.155]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22541 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:57:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3C718AA2.2422E@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:13:38 -0700 I strongly urge folks to buy The Medieval Tailor's Assistant from the small, independent booksellers that have invested their funds to carry this book. 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Respectfully, Mary Denise Smith _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 17:24:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32152 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:24:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IN4HM09952; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IN41520672; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1IN3t520640 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:03:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31284 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2002 23:04:10 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 18 Feb 2002 23:04:10 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d96.nas26.sonic.net [209.204.191.96]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g1IN4AH14674 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:04:10 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C7188D8.98EFFA58@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:06:00 -0800 I think Fred Struthers has it in stock. 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Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 17:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32164 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:26:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1IN6HM10105; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:06:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IN60521460; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1IN5f521337 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.12] (as3-4-26.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.12]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g1IN5sN08364 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:05:54 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> References: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:12:30 -0800 > >Henk & Pauline 't Jong >tScapreel >Medieval Consultants >Dordrecht - Netherland > > >Hi, > >Anybody know of this book?? > >The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield >Making Common Garments 1200-1500 >Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as >historical illustrations and photographs. >224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback Here's a review of the book that I wrote for rec.org.sca (and which therefore contains some SCA-specific references that you'll need to "translate"): =============================== reviewed by Heather Rose Jones please do not forward or reproduce without permission The Medieval Tailor's Assistant: Making Common Garments 1200-1500 Sarah Thursfield Costume & Fashion Press, New York, 2001 ISBN 0-89676-239-4 cover price: $39.95 US When I first heard about this book (on one of the costume-related mailing lists I'm on -- I forget which one) and checked it out on the web site given, I had no idea whether I wanted to buy the book or not. All I had was the title and the briefest of descriptions -- it could have been a good book, it could have been a bad book, no telling. But fortunately one of my local "dangerous" stores (Lacis, in Berkeley) got the book in and I was able to browse through it before buying. I'll give you my conclusions first: overall, this is a book that most SCA costumers will find quite useful. There are some specific reasons (which I'll go into below) that I can't give it a completely ravingly positive review, but they are considerations that will not be relevant to the average SCA costumer. The book is an interesting mix of topics, with a tendency to some unevenness, probably due to aiming for a very broad scope. For example, while the pattern drafting parts are not aimed at the absolute beginner, the book spends several pages on how to do basic hand-sewing stitches. Another place where the unevenness shows is in the list of suggested readings and of suppliers and organizations related to historic costuming. In general, it's a little hard to tell who the intended target audience is for the book: whether beginning or expert costumers, whether people interested in historic methods of construction or those interested in "theatrical effect", and whether SCA costumers or medieval re-creationists in general. (For example, while the SCA is nowhere mentioned in the introductory material, it's the only historic re-creation organization mentioned in the "resources" section.) The book tackles as its goal providing patterns for complete outfits (from the underwear out), for most of the major garment styles of northwestern Europe (although the geographical bias isn't mentioned in the book, the material is fairly clearly confined to France, England, and the Low Countries), where the guiding principle is to get the "right look" while being informed to a significant extent by known medieval construction methods. This goal, it accomplishes extremely successfully. There are many many pattern diagrams for various styles, grouped to show which garments were used together and in what fashion. The patterns are based either on geometric principles (with detailed instructions as to what measurements to use) or on a basic, semi-fitted, four-piece "pattern block" for which detailed drafting instructions are given. Diagrams and photographs of construction details and finished garments provide the proverbial thousands of words worth of information, while each style is accompanied by reproductions of period artwork showing the style (except for the picture that was meant to be at the top of page 84, which is missing). I'm pretty useless, unfortunately, at evaluating the hands-on part of how usable this book is. I'm not a beginning or intermediate costumer and I never will be one again -- I simply can't tell whether people in those categories will find the book user-friendly and complete, or whether there will be critical gaps in the information it provides. It looks good to me, but someone else will have to provide that information. The layout of the book is very clear and readable, although not always aesthetically elegant. (The need for keeping related material together, and the number of figures and diagrams involved lead to awkward chunks of white space on a regular basis. Since friends of mine who are graphic designers despair at my general blindness to layout aesthetics, people who _are_ sensitive to these things should consider themselves forewarned.) Ok, so since I started off by telling you that you should buy this book, can I gripe a little now? The most damaging weakness of this book, in my opinion, is its failure to give the reader a clear and backed-up understanding of how the cut of the garments in the book relate to known historic garment construction. The author is quite up-front that her design approach is based primarily on visual (artistic) sources, using "traditional sewing techniques and modern tailoring and ... much experiment". She states her goal as "to achieve the look and fit of the time, in a way that is practicable for the modern sewer", and freely acknowledges that other researchers may validly interpret the available information in different ways. (Introduction p.9) This introduction -- combined with the complete lack of reference in the text to the cut of any actual surviving garments -- might lead the careful and critical reader to conclude that the patterns are all entirely a product of a modern theatrical dressmaker who is satisfied with "making it look like the picture". This would be a badly erroneous conclusion -- many of the patterns are based solidly on the cut of surviving garments of the period, while others are only minor extrapolations from surviving garments. Other patterns are more speculative because no relevant garment survives. Other aspects of the patterns are stylistic compromises, where examples of the particular garment or feature _do_ survive, but the author has chosen (for whatever reason) to design the pattern differently. But here's my gripe: YOU CAN'T TELL WHICH IS WHICH FROM THE BOOK. The naive reader will assume that all the patterns are "historically authentic"; the skeptical reader will wonder whether any of them are. And the book itself pretty much ignores the question. From the point of view of understanding historic practice, this is a disappointing omission. For this reason, this book will be of much less interest to the experienced costumer than it is to the beginner (who simply needs a pattern -- any pattern -- to work from, and whose alternative may be the commercial pattern companies) or to the intermediate costumer (who does some of their own design work, but will be glad of being given basic tested models to work from). When I look at a pattern detail that differs from what I know or how I would interpret the evidence, I have no idea whether the author is working from sources that I'm not aware of (which would be really great!), or whether she has come up with the design herself, and if so, what her reasons were for particular design choices. For example, the pattern for long braies (p.69) uses a design that is like nothing I have ever seen anywhere (either in the rare medieval examples of loose pants, or in post-medieval "folk" styles of garments). I'd really like to know what it was based on, but the book gives no clue. In the final analysis, this aspect restricts the book to the category of "how to make medieval costumes" and keeps it from participating in the larger dialogue on the history of clothing design and how to research it. But buy it anyway. -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 17:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32337 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1INYIM12379; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:34:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1INY0502849; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1INXu502811 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:33:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1INYCcd029155 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p43.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.171]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06309 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:34:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202182334.SAA06309@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lucet Question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:35:08 -0500 At 08:53 AM 02/18/2002 -0600, you wrote: >And in the category of perfect timing, I just got my copy of the spring issue of Sampler and Antique Needlework and it had an article on lucets by Kathleen Staples! She notes that the earliest English reference to the lucet was about 1650 and that at one time in history it was how a poor person could earn a few pennies. > >Catherine There's been an argument on another list as to whether lucet cord was used at all in the 18th century -- the folks on the 'no' side saying that they've never seen any existing stays, etc., with lucet cord for lacing. I think that's not exactly helpful -- how many existing sets of stays even have their own lacing with them anymore? Or shifts, or other stuff that requires a cord, for that matter. The cords are often long lost. So we have to rely on references... Anyone? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 18:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32428 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:11:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1INpJM13695; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:51:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1INp1509719; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1INoV509477 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:50:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.130.995f761 (3981) for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <130.995f761.29a2ed4f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color -- Rugs To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:50:39 EST In a message dated 18/2/02 2:15:46 PM, LalahTT@aol.com writes: << Lady G, flattery will get you nowhere (except maybe some extra baklava) >> Rockin'! 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Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 18:50:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32610 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:50:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J0UOa16641; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:30:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J0U1524260; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J0TB524004 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:29:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from JBrendlingerLT.sbcglobal.net (adsl-66-124-153-210.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.124.153.210]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1J0TRp139994 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:29:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218162453.00bbca58@pop.sbcglobal.net> X-Sender: joycebre@pop.sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joyce In-Reply-To: <200202181902.g1IJ29527736@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] dragonfly dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:29:35 -0800 Hi, does anyone remember a picture of a dress with dragonflies on it? I've searched the archives, but I can't find it there, and I've been through all my saved messages. It's a painting, with a lot of paint flaking off, and the dragonflies are really huge, going across the skirt. Unfortunately, while I can see the dress clearly in my mind, I don't remember the name of the artist, or the time frame. It's on the web somewhere. thanks -- Joyce _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 19:12:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32701 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:12:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J0qIa18470; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:52:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J0q1502389; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (mtao2.east.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J0pI502138 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:51:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020219005127.ECOM6405.lakemtao02.cox.net@cx181913a> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:51:27 -0500 Message-ID: <017401c1b8e0$4df0db20$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218162453.00bbca58@pop.sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dragonfly dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:56:45 -0500 I'm not sure if it's the one you're thinking of, but there is such a dress in the painting titled "The Effects of Good Government of the City Life". It's early 14th c, in Sienna, I believe, painted by Lorenzetti. There are a group of women dancing in the street, on the left side of the painting. http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html It's also in a lot of art history books. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce" < Subject: [h-cost] dragonfly dress > Hi, > does anyone remember a picture of a dress with dragonflies on it? I've > searched the archives, but I can't find it there, and I've been through all > my saved messages. It's a painting, with a lot of paint flaking off, and > the dragonflies are really huge, going across the skirt. Unfortunately, > while I can see the dress clearly in my mind, I don't remember the name of > the artist, or the time frame. It's on the web somewhere. > thanks > -- > Joyce > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 19:27:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32749 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:27:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J17Ja19512; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J171507782; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J16V507587 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g1J170vv006460 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:07:01 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C718AA2.2422E@costumemag.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:09:16 -0800 I'd love to buy from an independent book seller. I went to the Poisen Pen site as soon as I saw it mentioned. I cannot find the book listed. It's not under costuming where I would expect it. It's not in Reference or Arts and Skills. Not being a patient type I ordered from Amazon for $43.00 including shipping and handling. Sorry, Regina Romsey (who would like to get hold of Stepping Through Time - Shoes from Prehistory to 1800 without paying the outrageous shipping charges - not dissing the distributor, but it way way more than Amazon.uk charges, but she doesn't have Amazon's volume either, and certainly not on one book) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Mary Denise Smith Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:14 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller I strongly urge folks to buy The Medieval Tailor's Assistant from the small, independent booksellers that have invested their funds to carry this book. Buying from B&N, Amazon and the like is fine for the books small booksellers don't carry. Support your independent businesses. Respectfully, Mary Denise Smith _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 19:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00389 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J1ZIa21074; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:35:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J1Z1516345; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J1YY516138 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from 66-44-8-157.s2189.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.8.157] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16czBB-00024S-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:34:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3C71ADBE.A460ADBF@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] silke anette References: <3C716E47.599F4B67@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:43:26 -0500 Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello. > Someone from h-costume told me about Silke Anette some time ago. She has > a small shop in the basement of her house. I'm so glad you liked her place! She is the one who was helping me with my fan-front Ringkjobing dress. I have a few other questions for her, but I think language may be to much of a problem, so I'm doing my best to puzzle it out. :-( Oh yes, her fabric stash and threads are incredible. Now you understand how I spent about 8000DK with her! Silks, alpaca drille... just lovely. > People who danse in folk costumes, comes to her to buy original fabrics > for their costumes...... She said that she has also done reconstructions for museums. When I saw her bobbinlace pillow in the corner by the shoes and the work she had going, I immediately thought of you! I wish she had a catalog and could do mail order. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 20:05:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00429 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:05:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J1jKa21770; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:45:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J1j2519506; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (mtao2.east.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J1iu519472 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:44:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020219014505.EXLP6405.lakemtao02.cox.net@cx181913a> for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:45:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001501c1b8e7$be7b6ac0$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:49:55 -0500 Hmm, Barnes and Noble has a deal right now where if you order 2 items that are in stock, they'll give you free shipping. The Tailor's book was $32.00, and I got a CD, for a total of 46.00+ change. They do charge sales tax, (which I thought was illegal on the internet?). I do try to support the "Little Guys", both mail order and locally, whenever I can. However, money talks loudly, and availability speaks loudest of all. I am especially suspicious of inflated "shipping and handling" charges. That really fries my grits. If you find the "Stepping Through Time" shoe book anywhere else, please let us know! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller > I'd love to buy from an independent book seller. I went to the Poisen Pen > site as soon as I saw it mentioned. I cannot find the book listed. It's > not under costuming where I would expect it. It's not in Reference or Arts > and Skills. Not being a patient type I ordered from Amazon for $43.00 > including shipping and handling. > > Sorry, > > Regina Romsey (who would like to get hold of Stepping Through Time - Shoes > from Prehistory to 1800 without paying the outrageous shipping charges - not > dissing the distributor, but it way way more than Amazon.uk charges, but she > doesn't have Amazon's volume either, and certainly not on one book) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 20:28:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00510 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:28:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J28Ia23183; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:08:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J280526282; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J27a526166 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:07:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020219020747.QDJD2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:07:47 +0000 Message-ID: <041f01c1b8e9$f3797a80$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <001501c1b8e7$be7b6ac0$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:05:15 -0600 I have to agree with Linda about the shipping. Many of the independents that are online have ridiculous shipping charges. I shipped books for a living not too long ago and I know the true pricing. Tax on the net is not illegal. I worked for Neiman Marcus two years ago and the city where the warehouse was demanded with lawyers at the door for their taxes generated from our website that had just started up. I was on the team that created the first site and two of us went to tax school just to deal with these money hungry natives. So yes, it is legal but the locals have to have all their ducks in a row and so does the merchant. Sincerely, Franchesca Havas McKinney, Texas ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rice" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller > Hmm, Barnes and Noble has a deal right now where if you order 2 items that > are in stock, they'll give you free shipping. The Tailor's book was $32.00, > and I got a CD, for a total of 46.00+ change. They do charge sales tax, > (which I thought was illegal on the internet?). > I do try to support the "Little Guys", both mail order and locally, whenever > I can. However, money talks loudly, and availability speaks loudest of all. > I am especially suspicious of inflated "shipping and handling" charges. That > really fries my grits. If you find the "Stepping Through Time" shoe > book anywhere else, please let us know! > > Linda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 21:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00892 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:24:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J2rca26161; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:53:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J2r0510336; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix3-hme0.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.83] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1J2qH510123 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:52:17 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 3375 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 02:52:32 -0000 Received: from s45.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.95) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 19 Feb 2002 02:52:32 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020218214920.009ee120@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200202180405.g1I452519575@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_81992942==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #724 - 16 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:54:32 -0500 --=====================_81992942==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:05 PM 2/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >What's the weirdest spot you've had to sew on a regualr basis? At work, on my counter, all day, nearly every day. I have a three-part counter and on the lowest bit of the counter sits my serger and my backup machine, and I swing one out of the way when I need to use the other. Of course, I don't have a stool that fits comfortably behind the counter to sit on, so I stand and sew all day. Gives me really good leverage for the pedals, lol! I have a great boss... as long as I wait on customers and sell the merchandise, I can sew to my heart's content! Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.net Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_81992942==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:05 PM 2/17/02 -0700, you wrote:
What's the weirdest spot you've had to sew on a regualr basis?

At work, on my counter, all day, nearly every day.  I have a three-part counter and on the lowest bit of the counter sits my serger and my backup machine, and I swing one out of the way when I need to use the other.  Of course, I don't have a stool that fits comfortably behind the counter to sit on, so I stand and sew all day.  Gives me really good leverage for the pedals, lol!  I have a great boss... as long as I wait on customers and sell the merchandise, I can sew to my heart's content!

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.net
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_81992942==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 21:24:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00899 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:24:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J2sWa26221; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:54:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J2s0510771; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J2rX510644 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:53:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p76-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.76]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA03414 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:53:40 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p76-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.76] claimed to be user Message-ID: <002901c1b8f0$92ec3520$4cc0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020218162453.00bbca58@pop.sbcglobal.net> <017401c1b8e0$4df0db20$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dragonfly dress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:52:59 +1300 http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/l/lorenzet/ambrogio/governme/2effect4.jpg A direct link to the detail of the image. michaela > I'm not sure if it's the one you're thinking of, but there is such a dress > in the painting titled "The Effects of Good Government of the City Life". > It's early 14th c, in Sienna, I believe, painted by Lorenzetti. There are a > group of women dancing in the street, on the left side of the painting. > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html > > It's also in a lot of art history books. > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce" < > Subject: [h-cost] dragonfly dress > > > > Hi, > > does anyone remember a picture of a dress with dragonflies on it? I've > > searched the archives, but I can't find it there, and I've been through > all > > my saved messages. It's a painting, with a lot of paint flaking off, and > > the dragonflies are really huge, going across the skirt. Unfortunately, > > while I can see the dress clearly in my mind, I don't remember the name of > > the artist, or the time frame. It's on the web somewhere. > > thanks > > -- > > Joyce > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 21:54:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01053 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J3Nua27883; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J3NL519454; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J3Kh518720 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:20:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1J3Lib10985 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:21:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020218212308.02ae5480@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] book In-Reply-To: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:24:46 -0600 Greetings, I saw it briefly while I was in England and didn't think it was worth the 28 pounds sterling they wanted for it. It struck me as being modern in construction. I've requested it on ILL and will give a more indepth report once I get to spend some time looking at it. Cheers, Danielle At 08:14 PM 2/18/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >Henk & Pauline 't Jong >tScapreel >Medieval Consultants >Dordrecht - Netherland > > >Hi, > >Anybody know of this book?? > >The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield >Making Common Garments 1200-1500 >Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as >historical illustrations and photographs. >224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback > > >Henk > > >Visit the colourful tScapreel website; >Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage >Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 22:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01147 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:14:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J3hZa29184; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:43:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J3h0525340; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J3gh525266 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:42:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from flash.net (A020-0678.HSTN.splitrock.net [209.253.14.170]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1J3gwl124714 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:42:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3C71C9B1.CDB0630B@flash.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller References: <3C718AA2.2422E@costumemag.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:42:41 -0600 Mary Denise Smith wrote: > I strongly urge folks to buy The Medieval Tailor's Assistant from the > small, independent booksellers that have invested their funds to carry > this book. Buying from B&N, Amazon and the like is fine for the books > small booksellers don't carry. > > Support your independent businesses. I think people order through Amazon & B&N because they're easy to find. Any have recommendations for independent book dealers? Small businesses live by word of mouth. --Charlene -- It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef Stalin ===== Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - mailto:findbook@flash.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 23:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01574 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:36:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J56aa04085; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:06:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J561519214; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J55R519068 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:05:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2028.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.28]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA25605 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C71DC04.2672798B@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020217220824.02ba8620@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:00:52 -0500 Hi. Danielle, thanks for the heads-up. I'll be seeing La Belle Compagnie sometime this spring, and I'll ask. I am hoping someday to get my 14th cent. kit together and turn out with them. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 23:39:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01580 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J59Xa04202; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:09:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J590519981; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J58f519885 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:08:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ive7ia.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.30.74] helo=earthlink.net) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16d2WP-0001v7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:08:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3C71DE0E.5090708@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:09:34 -0500 I saw the owner of Poison Pen Friday, and she mentioned several books she had *just* gotten in. (Didn't mention this one, but she doesn't think of me as a costumer - that's not how she knows me.) I know she sold a bunch of these on Saturday at an event... the one I saw had been purchased from her. Write to her and ask! She may simply not have had a chance yet to get it up on the page. And, if she knows there is demand... Anne Wanda Pease wrote: >I'd love to buy from an independent book seller. I went to the Poisen Pen >site as soon as I saw it mentioned. I cannot find the book listed. It's >not under costuming where I would expect it. It's not in Reference or Arts >and Skills. Not being a patient type I ordered from Amazon for $43.00 >including shipping and handling. > >Sorry, > >Regina Romsey (who would like to get hold of Stepping Through Time - Shoes >from Prehistory to 1800 without paying the outrageous shipping charges - not >dissing the distributor, but it way way more than Amazon.uk charges, but she >doesn't have Amazon's volume either, and certainly not on one book) > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Mary Denise Smith >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:14 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller > > >I strongly urge folks to buy The Medieval Tailor's Assistant from the >small, independent booksellers that have invested their funds to carry >this book. Buying from B&N, Amazon and the like is fine for the books >small booksellers don't carry. > >Support your independent businesses. > >Respectfully, > >Mary Denise Smith > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Feb 18 23:57:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01635 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:57:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J5RXa05347; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:27:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J5R0524717; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J5QY524607 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 22:26:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2028.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.28]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23321 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3C71E0F7.580EBB95@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lucet Question References: <200202182334.SAA06309@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:21:59 -0500 Hi, All. Mara, I think that, although the argument might be made for something else, the technology of the aforesaid other method of cord production should be noted by those naysayers before entirely putting off all note of lucet cording. In all of the books of needlework and related craft items that I have viewed, lucets were present up to the present age. Whether or not they were the primary means of creating cording is for others to identify, but to dismiss their use entirely would be foolish. As to what uses the cording would be used for, or not is, again, for other researchers. There have been periods in history where a type of technology has fallen out of favor, only to come back later, but if folks on an 18th Cent. list are getting that detailed, they must have straightened out all of their other difficulties long beforehand (but I doubt that sincerely). I think those that say no due to lack of evidence must come up with something to replace it. References, in the absence of actual artifact, must then have to do... Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 00:45:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01793 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J6Eaa07416; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:14:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J6E1506709; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J6DN506532 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:13:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtm86.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.217.6]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16d3X1-0001LY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:13:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:17:04 -0800 At 7:41 PM -0500 2/17/02, LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 17/2/02 6:38:04 PM, kelly@costumedesign.net writes: > ><< Oh, I'm convinced the floor subsists on seam rippers. >> > >AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken sewing machine >needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of trim and etc. >Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the lost >straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it swept in there. >Lady G My ex-roomie (a professional seamstress) had somehow negotiated a working agreement with the floor. The pins, needles and other sharp bits on her sewing room floor never seemed to stick into HER feet, even when she walked around barefoot. The rest of us, on the other hand..... -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 01:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01860 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J6fYa08583; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J6f0513518; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1J6em513472 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 26673 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 06:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([209.130.150.178]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Feb 2002 06:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c1b90f$d60e6480$b29682d1@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <3C71DE0E.5090708@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Support your independent book seller Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:36:59 -0500 You can e-mail Devra if you are looking for any book and she will tell you if she can get it. Her regular job deals with books (as I recall, she's a librarian- but she may work for a book company, I can't remember exactly). I forwarded one of the last e-mails to her (the one recommending her link)- she was flattered and thankful for word of mouth recommendations. She said she HAD some of the books in question and sold out-- which means, if I know Devra, that there will be more where those came from. (If it hasn't hit her web site- she may have some, as she doesn't do her own computer work). Feel free to e-mail her- she's very helpful (I won't give the e-mail I have for her, I'm not sure if it's personal or not, she's been a friend for a LONG time). Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message ----- From: "A F Murphy" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller > I saw the owner of Poison Pen Friday, and she mentioned several books > she had *just* gotten in. (Didn't mention this one, but she doesn't > think of me as a costumer - that's not how she knows me.) I know she > sold a bunch of these on Saturday at an event... the one I saw had been > purchased from her. Write to her and ask! She may simply not have had a > chance yet to get it up on the page. And, if she knows there is demand... > > Anne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 01:14:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01866 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:14:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J6hYa08683; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:43:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J6h0513957; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:43:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01h.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.238]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1J6gL513842 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:42:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 2270 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2002 06:42:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([209.130.150.178]) (envelope-sender ) by relay03.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Feb 2002 06:42:33 -0000 Message-ID: <004201c1b910$0d93f460$b29682d1@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 01:38:33 -0500 > >AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken sewing machine > >needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of trim and etc. > >Actually since we've got tile floors in there now I don't have the lost > >straight pins thing anymore. Al least not so long as I keep it swept in there. > >Lady G > > My ex-roomie (a professional seamstress) had somehow negotiated a > working agreement with the floor. The pins, needles and other sharp > bits on her sewing room floor never seemed to stick into HER feet, > even when she walked around barefoot. The rest of us, on the other > hand..... > -- > _________________________________________________________ > O Chris Laning > | > + Davis, California Yup- I have that agreement with the floor (ever since that NASTY pin stuck in my toe joint. . . ). However, it seems to have swallowed some of my bobbins whole. . . Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 04:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA30540 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:13:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1J9haa15350; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:43:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J9h1521003; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1J9gJ520832; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 02:42:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-262.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.97.8]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1J9gVB57773; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:42:31 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: , , Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [h-cost] CC23 site selection Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:45:15 +1100 The voting for Costume-Con 23 site selection took place at CC20 last weekend. No formal ballots were received. That is, all were informal seeing all were incorrectly filled out in spite of very simple instructions explaining the needs of the voting system on each ballot form. Still, the overwhelming intention of the voters (100%, in fact) was for Ogden, Utah. Who in thier right mind would deny Utah the opportunity? So, it looks like they have it. This result being the case, some thought should be put into the use of the current voting system, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 04:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA30602 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:37:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JA6Za16126; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:06:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JA61525585; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JA58525418 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:05:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a1-262.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.97.8]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1JA5O162838 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:05:24 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:08:09 +1100 Off-white, flat... Keeps the room light and is easy to clean seeing I tape tissue to the walls for pattern drafting, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 04:53:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA30712 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JANZa16606; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:23:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAN1512563; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAMm512523 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEGE1P9Q7K00G2B8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:25:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEGE1O5UUE00QN6O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:25:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:19:09 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:18:22 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.77) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:18:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color?...Lights In-reply-to: <200202182115.g1ILF8500273@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <45D5BC10B03@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:18:15 +0000 (GMT) > > have both Florissant lights > > I wonder what Florissant lights look like. That is what comes from > writing messages after taking medicine for a cold. Made me think of hippies.... Florissant lights are lights with stained glass shades around them, The glass is patterned with flowers of all sorts and they are projected ontot he walls of the room when the light is switched on. But, I digress.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 04:56:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA30739 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:56:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JAQaa16688; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAQ2513174; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAPm513113 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:25:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEGE5EJNQ800OENP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:28:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEGE5DI9UG00OPD1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:22:09 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:21:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.77) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:21:50 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. In-reply-to: <200202182115.g1ILF8500273@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <45D6AA277EB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:21:50 +0000 (GMT) > > Oh Teddy, does that bring back memories. I remember a > > couple of apartments that were nothing more than one room with a > > tiny stove and fridge at one end and a tiny little bathroom. Did a > > lot of sewing sitting on the floor with the machine on the coffee > > table. I had forgotten all about that. Somehow, it didn't seem > > like a big deal way back then. Hi Lalah, It didn't to me at the time either - but I sure noticed the difference when I got my own place and a proper table to set the machine up on. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 04:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA30773 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JASYa16741; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:28:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAS0513809; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JARk513772 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:27:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEGE7Y921S00G2B8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEGE7XGEQK00OPD1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:30:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:24:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:24:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.77) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:24:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] book In-reply-to: <200202182115.g1ILF8500273@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <45D74906968@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:24:07 +0000 (GMT) > Anybody know of this book?? > > The Medieval Tailor's Assistant by Sara Thursfield > Making Common Garments 1200-1500 > Contains over 400 line drawings, including 121 patterns, as well as > historical illustrations and photographs. 224 pages, 420 ill., incl 16 > b&w and 4 colour plates, paperback Looks good. A friend showed me a copy of it before Christmas and I immediately put it on my "must buy" list. Haven't been able to afford it yet or I'd have posted a reviewlet to the list. Danielle? Did you manage to get hold of a copy while you were over here last month? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 05:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30871 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 05:06:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JAaZa16979; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAa1515436; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JAZ5515184 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 03:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEGEGU9PY800NOSV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:37:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEGEGOIDVQ00OPD1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:37:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:31:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:31:05 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.77) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:31:00 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Medieval Tailor's Assistant In-reply-to: <200202190108.g1J184508125@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <45D920E3EE9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:31:00 +0000 (GMT) > Anyone lucky enough to be planning a trip to the Re-Enactor's Fair > in Oxford, England on March 16-17 can buy the book directly from > Paul Meekins. Bugger! I'm at an event that weekend, otherwise I was planning to be at the Oxford Fair Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 08:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31763 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JE3ha24287; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:03:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JE31525900; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JE28525663 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:02:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.117] (pm4-117.eos.net [205.133.149.117]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15901 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:58:07 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202191007.g1JA71525809@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] shipping and handling Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:55:51 -0500 Just to let everyone know: In the US, anyway (don't know about the rest of the world) companies can set any shipping and handling charges they like. The s&h charges are based only partly on how much postage costs. They are also based on how much it costs and company to store things, the salaries of the people who pack and ship things, the mailing software and equipment (if any), and all sorts of other things. Some companies run s&h at bare cost, or even at a loss. Some companies (I used to work for one) see it as a way to make a lot of extra profit. Some companies have huge shipping operations and can charge very little because volume sales take care of it. Others have small staffs, and every minute an employee spends packing a box is one that that employee is not making bringing in much higher profits for the company. In other words: If you think s&h charges are too high, tell the company so. It may make a difference, and that company may lower rates. On the other hand, the company may NEED to charge high rates. But all companies need customer feedback, especially if a high s&h rate keeps you from buying from that company at all. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 08:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31774 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:37:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JE7aa24476; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:07:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JE71526899; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JE6J526701 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:06:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.de.229bbe6f (25511) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_de.229bbe6f.29a3b5e5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:06:29 EST --part1_de.229bbe6f.29a3b5e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, let's see. On a movie once I made a tuxedo for a Baboon on the hood of a car in a South Carolina swamp. Is that weird enough? --part1_de.229bbe6f.29a3b5e5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, let's see.  On a movie once I made a tuxedo for a Baboon on the hood of a car in a South Carolina swamp.

Is that weird enough? --part1_de.229bbe6f.29a3b5e5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 09:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31853 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:00:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JETba25557; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:29:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JET1502779; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JERx502515 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:27:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1JETAm14880 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10395 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:32:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book In-Reply-To: <3C7188D8.98EFFA58@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:32:06 -0500 (EST) I think you can buy it directly from QuiteSpecificMedia.com Drea On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Lavolta Press wrote: > I think Fred Struthers has it in stock. 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Check out Beary Classy Bears at > > http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------- > Visit our web pages! > Books on historic costume and vintage clothes > http://www.lavoltapress.com > Historic and vintage dance > http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 09:12:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31910 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:12:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JEgZa26550; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:42:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JEg0506595; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JEfH506413 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-63.214.123.228.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.123.228] helo=[168.191.59.88]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16dBSa-0000pa-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:41:36 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200202191007.g1JA71525809@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] shipping and handling Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:35:50 -0400 Gail wrote wisely re shipping & handling: >In the US, anyway (don't know about the rest of the world) companies can set >any shipping and handling charges they like. The s&h charges are based only >partly on how much postage costs. They are also based on how much it costs >and company to store things, the salaries of the people who pack and ship >things, the mailing software and equipment (if any), and all sorts of other >things. Some companies run s&h at bare cost, or even at a loss. Some >companies (I used to work for one) see it as a way to make a lot of extra >profit. Some companies have huge shipping operations and can charge very >little because volume sales take care of it. Others have small staffs, and >every minute an employee spends packing a box is one that that employee is >not making bringing in much higher profits for the company. For our spinning wheel business, we ship by US Post (Priority Mail so that packages can be tracked) or by UPS. We round the shipping cost up the nearest dollar and for large packages add the cost of the box and packing materials we needed to buy. For a small "mom & pop" like our business, our profit margin is already pretty small, and we can't afford to eat the cost of the boxes, packing material AND shipping, too. I was astounded to find that my copier supply place charge me $18 for UPS shipping (real cost $5 or less) for toner packs I received recently. At that price, I'd be happy to be their delivery girl. Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net Editor, Boston Early Music News Deadline Feb. 28 for March 15 issue for events March 15-April 30, 2002 http://www.earlymusicboston.com /bemn for CALENDAR /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 09:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31947 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:21:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JEpaa27221; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:51:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JEp1509420; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JEou509386 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:50:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200202190845.AA43188414@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Alexandria Doyle" X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:45:00 -0600 my son does the collecting of pins for me, I can be barefoot and often am in the sewing room with pins everywhere, rarely a problem. He comes home for a visit, walks once through the house barefoot, and finds several... I've been told you can have like an allergy to certain materials that will attract them to you... my sister attracts glass. She walks into a room that had a glass broken six months ago, she'll find the tiniest shard. My mother did glass engraving, would rub her fingers continously over the glass while working on it, no problem. My sister pick it up when it's been finished and cleaned, and gets cut. Oh, yes, my sewing room walls are a beige-off white color that is enough away from white I can live with... can't stand white walls... and I have foam board tacked around the room that I pinned portraits, intructions, pattern pieces, measurements, etc. to, makes it easier to find things in the sewing room. Alex >> >AND lost straight pins and needles and don't forget the broken sewing machine needle ends that fly off never to be seen again and snippets of trim and >etc. >> My ex-roomie (a professional seamstress) had somehow negotiated a >> working agreement with the floor. The pins, needles and other sharp >> bits on her sewing room floor never seemed to stick into HER feet, >> even when she walked around barefoot. The rest of us, on the other >> hand..... >> -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 09:32:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31986 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:32:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JF1Za27962; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JF10512890; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20309.mail.yahoo.com (web20309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1JF06512548 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:00:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020219150025.52064.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.31.125] by web20309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:00:25 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:00:25 -0800 (PST) I've signed up to take one of the Costume Gallery on-line courses: Colonial Outer Garments. Because I'm very SCA-oriented, I'm kind of wondering why I'm doing this, other than I just like the "look" and I simply want it. I don't like to think I've reached the point of making totally useless costumes that will never see the light of day!! Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period clothes? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 09:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32000 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:37:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JF6ba28453; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JF61514979; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JF5n514871 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:05:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from JBrendlingerLT.sbcglobal.net (adsl-66-124-153-210.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.124.153.210]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g1JF67172012 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:06:07 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020219070425.038846c0@pop.sbcglobal.net> X-Sender: joycebre@pop.sbcglobal.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joyce Subject: Re: [h-cost] dragonfly dress In-Reply-To: <200202191007.g1JA71525809@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:06:17 -0800 That's the one. I was looking in the wrong century. Thanks all. >http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/l/lorenzet/ambrogio/governme/2effect4.jpg > >A direct link to the detail of the image. > >michaela > > > I'm not sure if it's the one you're thinking of, but there is such a dress > > in the painting titled "The Effects of Good Government of the City Life". > > It's early 14th c, in Sienna, I believe, painted by Lorenzetti. There are >a > > group of women dancing in the street, on the left side of the painting. > > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/index1.html > > > > It's also in a lot of art history books. > > > > Linda > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 10:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32123 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JFrUa03944; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JFr4506581; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:53:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JFpw505959 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:52:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1JFr4m25463; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11027; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: costume list Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? In-Reply-To: <20020219150025.52064.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) Revolutionary War era events. :) I'm really fortunate to have a 1790-1815 event five miles from my house. It's only once a year, but it's an excuse to make a whole range of completely OOP clothing. Drea On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Joan Garner wrote: > I've signed up to take one of the Costume Gallery > on-line courses: Colonial Outer Garments. Because I'm > very SCA-oriented, I'm kind of wondering why I'm doing > this, other than I just like the "look" and I simply > want it. > > I don't like to think I've reached the point of making > totally useless costumes that will never see the light > of day!! Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period > clothes? > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 10:15:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32130 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:15:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1JFsFa04021; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:54:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JFrf506915; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JFq8506046 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:52:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1JFr4m25463; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11027; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: costume list Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? In-Reply-To: <20020219150025.52064.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) Revolutionary War era events. :) I'm really fortunate to have a 1790-1815 event five miles from my house. It's only once a year, but it's an excuse to make a whole range of completely OOP clothing. Drea On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Joan Garner wrote: > I've signed up to take one of the Costume Gallery > on-line courses: Colonial Outer Garments. Because I'm > very SCA-oriented, I'm kind of wondering why I'm doing > this, other than I just like the "look" and I simply > want it. > > I don't like to think I've reached the point of making > totally useless costumes that will never see the light > of day!! Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period > clothes? > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 20:40:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02528 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:40:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2Kha21295; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:20:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2IPL14588; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:18:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JG1b511607 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:01:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.11]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020219160125.HQTG23001.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:01:25 +0100 Message-ID: <3C72769E.E95CC5EA@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? References: <20020219150025.52064.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:00:30 +0100 Hello Joan. I for my part dont have any place to use it. If i want to, i have to travel far, to Sweden or England. But some time this summer i will wear my costume at a manorhouse museum. I am going to sit and show how to make bobbin lace. It is very frustrated to have no place or no one to share your passion with!!! Bjarne Joan Garner wrote: > I've signed up to take one of the Costume Gallery > on-line courses: Colonial Outer Garments. Because I'm > very SCA-oriented, I'm kind of wondering why I'm doing > this, other than I just like the "look" and I simply > want it. > > I don't like to think I've reached the point of making > totally useless costumes that will never see the light > of day!! Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period > clothes? > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 20:43:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02538 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:43:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2Nga21475; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:23:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2LsL15599; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:21:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe71.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JGO0L01167 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:24:13 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [12.13.138.198] From: "Heather McCafferty 2" To: References: <200202181455.g1IEt6514270@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2002 16:24:13.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE863C30:01C1B961] Subject: [h-cost] Re: cork board and weird sewing places Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:35:41 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- | From: Kevin + Mara Riley | Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing room wall color? | A good tip I got from Threads a while back was to put a cork bulletin board | on the wall above my cutting table. It holds LOTS of stuff -- like the | sewing instructions from patterns, so they're not lost under the fabric on | the cutting table, or xeroxes of illustrations from Arnold if I'm trying to | drape something. | | -- Mara I *like* this idea. And, oh happy chance, I just got a cork board out of my car, which went back to be turned in at the completion of its lease. As to a sewing room? I dream of such. And Teddy, as I'm sure you've heard before, I'm sooooo jealous. Fabric storage? An extra closet (one boon of this townhouse is having a lot of closets) with everything rather carefully labelled, except for some recent purchases which are being made up straightaway and are stored in the drawer of the long chest of drawers that's (still!) sitting in my living room. My sewing room is currently an upholstered chair with a quilt thrown over it, with a relatively new Janome on a table chair in front of it. The chair arms are nice for holding books and such. We'd use my daughter's room which she only uses for sleeping (she's almost two, and stays downstairs with me during the day - we all live downstairs during the day and sleep upstairs), but we consequently have more stuff in her room for "going into the closet for storage" or I'd use it for sewing. As to the weirdest, I was primary renter of my two-bedroom apartment, though *not* stingy with the space to my roommate(s). I had very very little furniture (I can't believe that my fiancé has so much), to boot, so I had plenty of space to lay out fabric and pattern pieces for cutting, which I was scrupulous about cleaning up after using, since I regarded the apartment outside my bedroom as common area. Of course, *then* I had to fight the cats over the pattern paper.... However, there was not a full length mirror to be had in the house, so I would try on a piece, grab the pins and tailor's chalk and run to the other end of the house to stand on my toilet and try to look at what I needed to see in the master bathroom mirror. Fortunately I'm short, so my image fit.... Heather McCafferty, ska Margaret of Norwood, soon to be Margaret Northwode "Douce et innocent à l'extérieur, mauvaise et croquante à l'intérieur." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 20:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02543 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:44:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2PMa21603; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:25:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2NcL16095; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JGVdL07591 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:31:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net ([68.34.234.170]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GRS00G0NE1IJ3@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3C72718D.4090705@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: [h-cost] Weird spots to sew (was room colors) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:38:53 -0600 My first home was a studio apartment which is a room with a kithenette and bathroom. I had to sit on the bed and put the sewing machine on the ironing board. It would start vibrating and would eventually bounce away from the bed. :) Linda T www.seams-to-be.com new email address LindaJThompson@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 20:47:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02552 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2Rka21834; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:27:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2PmL16934; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:25:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JHBGL04391 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:11:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14549.; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:18:43 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:10:45 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g1JHBGL04391 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:10:25 +0000 Joan, many people on this list don't belong to the SCA; a lot of us belong to other reenactment societies covering many different periods, and take part in events to entertain and educate the public. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com 02/19/02 03:00pm >>> I've signed up to take one of the Costume Gallery on-line courses: Colonial Outer Garments. Because I'm very SCA-oriented, I'm kind of wondering why I'm doing this, other than I just like the "look" and I simply want it. I don't like to think I've reached the point of making totally useless costumes that will never see the light of day!! Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period clothes? Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 20:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02562 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:49:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2Tea21972; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:29:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2RfL17594; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:27:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mcn.org (mail.mcn.org [204.189.12.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JHndL27529 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:49:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from mcn.org (ha-2e-men-p1-m07.mcn.org [63.193.13.43]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.mcn.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1JHnuNF015355 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:49:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C721FAA.52AD6288@mcn.org> From: Fred Struthers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller References: <3C718AA2.2422E@costumemag.com> <3C71C9B1.CDB0630B@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:49:35 +0000 Well put Charlene and Mary Denise - thank you I have five copies of this book ($40) in stock, and ready to ship (shipping, $3.50 in the USA - CHEAP!!!) Fred Struthers fsbks@mcn.org owner: BOOKS ON CLOTH catalog of costume and textile books I am YOUR independent costume bookseller! - with the most amazing, complete, fascinating and wonderful catalog of books on costume and textiles and related subjects "BOOKS ON CLOTH" - ONLY $2.50. (Free with any purchase) Your humble bookselling servant, Fred Struthers, purveyor of hard to find costume and textile books, new & used (independent and in business over ten years) Charlene Charette wrote: > Mary Denise Smith wrote: > > > I strongly urge folks to buy The Medieval Tailor's Assistant from the > > small, independent booksellers that have invested their funds to carry > > this book. Buying from B&N, Amazon and the like is fine for the books > > small booksellers don't carry. > > > > Support your independent businesses. > > I think people order through Amazon & B&N because they're easy to find. > Any have recommendations for independent book dealers? 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The people who count the votes decide > everything. -- Josef Stalin > ===== > Free Book Searches (out-of-print, hard-to-find, foreign, used, new) - > mailto:findbook@flash.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- http://www.rlshep.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 20:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02582 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:51:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2WMa22259; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:32:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2UIL18618; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:30:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JIChL11703 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:12:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.152.92f0d94 (16636) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <152.92f0d94.29a3efa8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.92f0d94.29a3efa8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:12:56 EST --part1_152.92f0d94.29a3efa8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/02 5:52:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > It didn't to me at the time either - but I sure noticed the difference > when I got my own place and a proper table to set the machine up > on. > I can sure agree with that. I don't think my knees would deal well with sewing on the coffee table these days either. Now, if I could just find room for all this fabric I keep buying. Maybe, I need a house to live in with a huge barn to sew in. That really would be classy. Too bad I am not rich. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_152.92f0d94.29a3efa8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/19/02 5:52:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


It didn't to me at the time either - but I sure noticed the difference
when I got my own place and a proper table to set the machine up
on.

      I can sure agree with that.  I don't think my knees would deal well with sewing on the coffee table these days either.  Now, if I could just find room for all this fabric I keep buying.  Maybe, I need a house to live in with a huge barn to sew in.  That really would be classy.  Too bad I am not rich.  

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
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--part1_152.92f0d94.29a3efa8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:07:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02680 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:07:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2lja23272; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2joL23731; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:45:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JJavL02152 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:36:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-230-52.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.230.52]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 172FE37012 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:37:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <011f01c1b97c$e8fa8520$34e6f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <014c01c1b8b7$c3c0c140$31f6f1c3@henk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C1B980.15284E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:00:30 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C1B980.15284E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Heather, You wrote: Here's a review of the book that I wrote for rec.org.sca (and which=20 therefore contains some SCA-specific references that you'll need to=20 "translate"): May I send your very clear and thoughtfull review through to the = 75-years list (concerning the period 1250-1325 for re-enactors all over = the world)?=20 I noticed you don't mention periods, is it all the middle ages, = including our 75 years, or just 1400 and later as I read in other posts. Thanks, Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C1B980.15284E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Heather,
 
You wrote:
Here's a review of the book that I wrote for rec.org.sca (and = which=20
therefore contains some SCA-specific references that you'll need = to=20
"translate"):
 
May I send your very clear and thoughtfull review through to the = 75-years=20 list (concerning the period 1250-1325 for re-enactors all over the = world)?=20
 
I noticed you don't mention periods, is it all the middle ages, = including=20 our 75 years, or just 1400 and later as I read in other posts.
 
Thanks,
 
Henk
 
 
Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English pages=20 clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C1B980.15284E40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02692 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:09:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K2cla22505; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:38:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2b4L20613; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2R4L17326 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1K2SAb05127 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:28:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020219203001.00a5c510@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] lucet question In-Reply-To: <3C71DC04.2672798B@dandy.net> References: <200202170043.QAA12205@gw.retro.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020217220824.02ba8620@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:31:26 -0600 Lucky you Mike! They seem like a very knowledgeable and cool group of people. There were also great papers on hats and pouches. The fellow who did the pouches one was able to figure out some that wasn't covered well in the MOL Dress Accessories (I think it was that one) book. Cheers, Danielle At 12:00 AM 2/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi. Danielle, thanks for the heads-up. I'll be seeing La Belle Compagnie >sometime this spring, and I'll ask. I am hoping someday to get my 14th cent. >kit together and turn out with them. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02765 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K36ua24607; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:06:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K351L00707; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2skL26723 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:54:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-111.frys.com [66.121.20.111]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1K2uA610921 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:56:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020219184733.00c78ba0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? In-Reply-To: <20020219150025.52064.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:53:04 -0800 >Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period >clothes? To non-SCA historical events, of course. I like several different periods, so I look for places where I can wear clothes from all those periods, with a living history program attached if at all possible. Failing that, there's always CostumeCon, and the various science fiction Cons and Ren Faires. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:29:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02774 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:29:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K39va24874; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K383L01673; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K2skL26726 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:54:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-111.frys.com [66.121.20.111]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1K2uB610929 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:56:12 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020219185309.00bef6d0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] living history in Oregon? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:54:51 -0800 I am contemplating a move to Eugene, Oregon. Besides the SCA, what living history sites are there in central Oregon? There must be some ACW stuff going on there, and lots of Oregon Trail stuff. But where? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02809 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:39:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K3HYa25254; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K3FZL03956; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:15:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K33rL00312 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:03:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1K2qXT01155 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:52:33 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C7312F8.DF6A89E8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? References: <20020219150025.52064.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:07:36 -0700 Hi, Joan....Isn't Penny's website *wonderful?* I took the Colonial classes last year (I'm still sewing on them albeit slowly, as I decided to do them by hand). I found Christine to be very helpful as a teacher, too..... I live in a part of the U.S. that doesn't have *anything* except SCA [almost as bad as Bjarne's isolation, but not quite], which I'm active in, but I'm not letting that stop me from learning all kinds of things about clothing in post-1600 cultures. At this point, my lovely colonial clothing and (future) clothing from JP's classes, and my restoration-inspired dress (that I *will* make some day) from Nicole's class all have to live in my closet. If I can get over being camera-shy, I hope to finish some of these, have photos taken, and go to Penny's "Costume Ball" this fall...it's online, and a perfect chance to show off all kinds of costumes and historic clothing. --Sue, clothes horse in *any* century Joan Garner wrote: > > I've signed up to take one of the Costume Gallery > on-line courses: Colonial Outer Garments. Because I'm > very SCA-oriented, I'm kind of wondering why I'm doing > this, other than I just like the "look" and I simply > want it. > > I don't like to think I've reached the point of making > totally useless costumes that will never see the light > of day!! Where do you people wear your non-SCA-period > clothes? > > Iohanna the Harper > [Joan Hall] > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02847 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:50:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K3Uva26089; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:30:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K3T4L07805; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f117.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.117]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K3IoL04776 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:19:07 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.170 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:19:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.170] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] living history in Oregon? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 03:19:07.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B7CAF20:01C1B9BD] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:19:07 -0800 I know there are several historical site around the Portland area. My kids both did a major section of class time on the Oregon Trail and I think there are a couple of museums between here and Eugene. I can call the school and find out where they take the kids on the field trip. Jennifer PS. I DID get all 23 outfits finished three hours before their first concert this evening. I'll never try cutting myself that short on time again, but the girls look great!!! >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] living history in Oregon? >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:54:51 -0800 > >I am contemplating a move to Eugene, Oregon. Besides the SCA, what living >history sites are there in central Oregon? There must be some ACW stuff >going on there, and lots of Oregon Trail stuff. But where? > >Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( >/----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 21:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02867 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:56:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K3Zia26350; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:35:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K3Y0L09397; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K38VL01811 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:08:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from MLaventure@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.119.cdd9661 (4225) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: MLaventure@aol.com Message-ID: <119.cdd9661.29a46d35@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_119.cdd9661.29a46d35_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Subject: [h-cost] Book in stock Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:08:37 EST --part1_119.cdd9661.29a46d35_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hedgehog Handworks does have the Medieval Tailor Assistant in stock. It may not be listed on the website yet, but I talked to her today and she does have some copies. www.hedgehoghandworks.com 1 310 670-6040 1 888 670-6040 Mary --part1_119.cdd9661.29a46d35_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hedgehog Handworks does have the Medieval Tailor Assistant in stock.  It may not be listed on the website yet, but I talked to her today and she does have some copies.

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Mary --part1_119.cdd9661.29a46d35_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 22:18:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02963 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K3xAa27486; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:59:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K3vBL16891; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:57:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from sys32.hou.wt.net (sys32.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K3lLL13661 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:47:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from kverscho (216-119-174-236.ipset56.wt.net [216.119.174.236]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01425 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:47:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <005301c1b9c1$d98fef40$ecae77d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1B98F.8D4A4040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Hi from New Member ! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:51:14 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1B98F.8D4A4040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to Bjarne Drews I found this active group on historical = costuming! I've been consumed with 19th century womens costume for the = last few years. So I'm a non SCA person. For those who haven't seen = this yet, here's my web site showing last years project (and the = beginnings of this year's):=20 http://www.verschoorphoto.f2s.com/1835/home.htm (or as a back up: http://www.verschoorphoto.com/1835/home.htm) I am currently working on a POST civil war project. I've always thought = the hoop business was so overdone, but I fell in love with a dress in a = fashion plate from 1865 so I'm doing the crinoline thing. =20 I recently decided to attend a Texas Revolution reenactment in April so = I decided to do a cotton calico 1836 dress. I really love the 1830's = because the period is such an enigma stuck between the regency nightgown = little shifts and the severe conservative look of the 1840's.=20 Looking forward to this group! Karen Verschoor=20 Houston, TX ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1B98F.8D4A4040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to Bjarne Drews I found this active group = on=20 historical costuming!  I've been consumed with 19th century womens = costume=20 for the last few years.  So I'm a non SCA person.  For those = who=20 haven't seen this yet, here's my web site showing last years project = (and the=20 beginnings of this year's):
 
http://www.versc= hoorphoto.f2s.com/1835/home.htm
(or as a back up: http://www.verschoor= photo.com/1835/home.htm)
 
I am currently working on a POST civil war = project.  I've=20 always thought the hoop business was so overdone, but I fell in love = with a=20 dress in a fashion plate from 1865 so I'm doing the crinoline = thing. =20
 
I recently decided to attend a Texas Revolution = reenactment in=20 April so I decided to do a cotton calico 1836 dress.  I really love = the=20 1830's because the period is such an enigma stuck between the = regency=20 nightgown little shifts and the severe conservative look of the 1840's.=20
 
Looking forward to this group!

Karen Verschoor =
Houston,=20 TX

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C1B98F.8D4A4040-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 23:03:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03120 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:03:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K4i2a00286; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K4g0L29901; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K4XiL27616 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:33:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.17f.3de4eb3 (3967) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:34:00 -0500 (EST) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <17f.3de4eb3.29a48138@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book -Support your independent book seller To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17f.3de4eb3.29a48138_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:34:00 EST --part1_17f.3de4eb3.29a48138_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/02 5:46:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, vmaa2@cox.net writes: > Hmm, Barnes and Noble has a deal right now where if you order 2 items that > are in stock, they'll give you free shipping. The Tailor's book was > $32.00, > and I got a CD, for a total of 46.00+ change. They do charge sales tax, > (which I thought was illegal on the internet?). > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if a company has any type of office in your state they are required to charge you sales tax. Some federal law that went into effect about 10-12 years ago...too many people were buying via telephone and catalogs and the state governements starting loosing money. --part1_17f.3de4eb3.29a48138_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/18/02 5:46:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, vmaa2@cox.net writes:


Hmm, Barnes and Noble has a deal right now where if you order 2 items that
are in stock, they'll give you free shipping.  The Tailor's book was $32.00,
and I got a CD, for a total of 46.00+ change.  They do charge sales tax,
(which I thought was illegal on the internet?).


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if a company has any type of office in your state they are required to charge you sales tax.  Some federal law that went into effect about 10-12 years ago...too many people were buying via telephone and catalogs and the state governements starting loosing money. --part1_17f.3de4eb3.29a48138_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 23:12:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03158 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:12:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K4rGa00769; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:53:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K4pHL02468; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:51:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K4cxL29082 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:38:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1c-155.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.6.155]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28649 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:35:30 -0600 Message-ID: <3C732B48.FA8403D@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C718AA2.2422E@costumemag.com> <3C71C9B1.CDB0630B@flash.net> <3C721FAA.52AD6288@mcn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Medieval Tailors Assistant Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:51:20 -0700 I am posting this for Devra Langsam of Poison Pen Press. Hope this helps, Mary Denise Smith "I have copies of the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant" in stock. It costs $40 plus $3 postage. To order, you can call me at 1-800-838-5257. Evenings are best. You can send me a fax at 208-247-1712, or email (2 emails if you're sending a credit number) at devra@poisonpenpress.com. In desperation, send a check to Poison Pen Press, 951 Coney island Ave #111, Brooklyn NY 11230. Thanks. Devra Langsam Poison Pen Press" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Feb 19 23:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03219 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:49:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1K5UMa02865; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:30:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K5SKL13952; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:28:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from april.dnaco.net (april.dnaco.net [207.238.206.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K5CJL09015 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:12:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from kirk.dnaco.net (kirk.dnaco.net [207.238.206.3]) by april.dnaco.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g1K5DZP13105 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (aleed@localhost) by kirk.dnaco.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16787 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:16:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.dnaco.net: aleed owned process doing -bs From: aleed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Medieval Tailors Assistant In-Reply-To: <3C732B48.FA8403D@costumemag.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:16:28 -0500 (EST) Thanks! Drea On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Mary Denise Smith wrote: > I am posting this for Devra Langsam of Poison Pen Press. > > Hope this helps, > Mary Denise Smith > > "I have copies of the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant" in stock. It costs > $40 plus $3 postage. > > To order, you can call me at 1-800-838-5257. Evenings are best. You can > send me a fax at 208-247-1712, or email (2 emails if you're sending a > credit number) at devra@poisonpenpress.com. In desperation, send a > check to Poison Pen Press, 951 Coney island Ave #111, Brooklyn NY 11230. > > Thanks. > Devra Langsam > Poison Pen Press" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:02:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02119 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:02:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIg5a18957; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:42:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIfSL11075; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (costumegallery.com [65.192.241.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K5ojL19744 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:50:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id A95422E302CE; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <007301c1b9d2$6e51a640$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200202191007.g1JA71525809@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shipping and handling X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:49:58 -0500 I recently ran across an eBay seller's scam for shipping.... I purchased a photo for $1.50 off of eBay... the auction only had a couple of minutes left. No one had bid on it, so I bid on it real quick. I won the auction and the invoice was sent to me with $4.50 charge for shipping & handling. This was a small CDV (about 2" X 4") photo. I wrote the seller about the price and he told me that he packed his photos really well. I only paid for it because I didn't want to get negative feedback. When I received this photo, it was packed in layers and layers of cardboard.... so unnecessary. It took me 20 minutes to get to the photo in the package. The postage on the package was $1.50. So I got $3.00 worth of cardboard. Things like this get my goat... kinda like those large software package and you open it up... only a CD inside. And you have to keep the box, because of the warranty states that to return it you have to have the box. I have an attic full of empty software, computer, VCR, & TV boxes. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02133 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:04:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIira19257; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIiPL12818; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail-eth1.frys.com [63.204.205.11] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K7ElL09305 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:14:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-75.frys.com [66.121.20.75]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1K7GA618607 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:16:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020219225524.00e59e40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] living history in Oregon? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:08:29 -0800 Are these sites that do living history, or are they just historical sites? I'm anxiously awaiting your findings. Does Roseburg do anything? (I know they have a museum.) What about the 'End of the Oregon Trail' site? I would be leaving all the living history sites in California if I moved, so I'm checking out the ones in Oregon, just in case. I was visiting Oregon last week, and made sure I went to Washugal, Washington, for more wool from the Pendleton outlet. The 'expensive' stuff was $3/yd, and the cheaper stuff was $2/yd. I have tailored 'Gibson Girl' walking suits/skirts, English Regency tailcoats, and Victorian frock coats in mind. I may even do a wool German Ren. outfit if I do move to Oregon (my summer-in-California one is linen). >I know there are several historical site around the Portland area. My >kids both did a major section of class time on the Oregon Trail and I >think there are a couple of museums between here and Eugene. I can call >the school and find out where they take the kids on the field trip. >>I am contemplating a move to Eugene, Oregon. Besides the SCA, what living >>history sites are there in central Oregon? There must be some ACW stuff >>going on there, and lots of Oregon Trail stuff. But where? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02142 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIjqa19431; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:45:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIjPL13446; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:45:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K9O2L09071 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEHQACJDS000LRVY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:26:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEHQ9ZYWN800PZ8O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:20:26 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:20:22 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:20:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] weird spots to sew. In-reply-to: <200202200245.g1K2jTL23605@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47464EB1F04@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:20:20 +0000 (GMT) > Well, let's see. On a movie once I made a tuxedo for a Baboon on > the hood of a car in a South Carolina swamp. > > Is that weird enough? It gets *my* vote.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02147 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:05:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIj5a19296; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIibL12940; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K7U8L13014 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 00:30:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (async194-19.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.115.194]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AEB19383; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:30:29 GMT Message-ID: <002d01c1b9e1$2724fc40$c27343d4@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wearthem??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:35:20 -0000 >a lot of us belong to other reenactment societies covering many different periods, and take part in events to entertain and educate the public. Others of us aren't in the SCA either but dress in a specific style or period and have events purely for our own enjoyment without the public anywhere near. I was at a week long 1873 private event all last week. We do these fairly regularly purely for our own pleasure, taking over a house & living a Victorian lifestyle, sometimes we go out & visit Antiquities or go on walk (the best ever a Gorge walk in full kit) I take more costume to these event that to any others I attend !!! 4/5 changes per day (mad those Victorians) . At the end of the month we are visiting the V & A in Vicky kit. My pleasure is the dressing up and role playing not 'performing' for the public personally Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02154 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:05:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIkAa19481; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIjgL13607; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KA9bL19034 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 03:09:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEHRURE7YO00Q0T7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:12:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEHRUQJUI000O446@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:12:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:05:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:05:32 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:05:28 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hi from New Member ! In-reply-to: <200202200421.g1K4LNL24099@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <47525B053AA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:05:28 +0000 (GMT) > Thanks to Bjarne Drews I found this active group on historical = > costuming! Welcome to h-costume, Karen. > I've been consumed with 19th century womens costume for the last > few years. So I'm a non SCA person. For those who haven't seen > this yet, here's my web site showing last years project (and the > beginnings of this year's) > http://www.verschoorphoto.f2s.com/1835/home.htm Beautiful - it's a period I like but am not active in. It looks gret. > I am currently working on a POST civil war project. I've always > thought the hoop business was so overdone, but I fell in love with a > dress in a fashion plate from 1865 so I'm doing the crinoline thing. I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of that too. Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, King of the Far-Isles, part-time Knave, Creature of air and darkness, and Hairdresser of Death apparently!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:07:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02170 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIlia19712; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:47:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIlHL14783; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:47:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20310.mail.yahoo.com (web20310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.91]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1KD6dL08827 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:06:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020220130703.98566.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.26.22] by web20310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:07:03 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Non-SCA period costumes: where does one wear them??? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C7312F8.DF6A89E8@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 05:07:03 -0800 (PST) --- Sue Clemenger wrote: >Isn't Penny's website *wonderful?* I took the Colonial >classes last year (I'm still sewing on them albeit >slowly, as I decided to do them by hand). I can't wait to start! My class starts on March 4. >I live in a part of the U.S. that doesn't have >*anything* except SCA [almost as bad as Bjarne's >isolation, but not quite], which I'm active in, but >I'm not letting that stop me from learning all kinds >of things about clothing in post-1600 cultures. Well, my daughter Athena is a 5th-grade teacher and I do get to be a "guest lecturer", coming in costume and bringing samples of period food (one of my hobbies) and singing some period music. Now I will be able to add Colonial. I've checked the web and there is nothing for Colonial/Revolutionary War near me that I can find. Of course, California was probably not a hotbed of Revolutionary War activity! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:07:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02176 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:07:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KImHa19795; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:48:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIloL15095; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:47:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KE6qL23441 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.140] (pm4-140.eos.net [205.133.149.140]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20544 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:02:56 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202200421.g1K4LBL24043@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Karen's Dickens Dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:00:42 -0500 Karen: What a lovely dress and what a great site! You did a fantastic job. I have always loved that style, which somehow manages to look extremely fussy and casual at the same time. I always imagine fun-loving aunts and other people's mothers that would play hide and seek and give you presents wearing those dresses! The part of your site on the 2002 project is great too. I think it's fascinating, when looking at both the original photos you posted and the reconstructions of similar gowns on you Dickens Dress "costume costume" page, to see the main difference between the real thing and the reconstructions. In the reconstructions of hoop dresses, the skirts usually come a few inches above the floor and are often so skimpy that you can see the bottom ring of the hoop. In the real things, the skirts had tons of fabric and fell all the way to the floor, giving the women a graceful sculptural look. Reenactors could always make their hoops a bit smaller and get that drapey look, but I guess most women want the widest hoops possible! The difference between what we want out of a dress and what the original wearers wanted, I guess. Thanks for posting your site! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:08:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02186 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIk4a19463; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIjaL13563; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:45:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K9eXL12885 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 02:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) id <01KEHQUGCCA800O24V@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:42:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.0-24 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEHQUB0WUG00QIQJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:36:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:36:00 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.63) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:35:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] shipping and handling In-reply-to: <200202200245.g1K2jTL23605@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <474A79C6897@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Part of the reason (appart form the problems of paying with no credit cards even for the companies with enough of a set up to take paymnents from them) I seldom order stuff from the US unless I can get a visiting friend to act as courier, is the inflated rates of postage that *some* suppliers use when sending things over to the England (or overseas at all?). I was really stung the time I got together with several others to order several historical garment patterns and a bunch of other supplies from a US trader. I had *expected* to pay quite a bit for the shipping. What I had not expected was for them to double the price of every item we ordered and list that as the shipping cost.... so when the person doing the payment got their credit-card bill (conveniently in pounds rather than dollars..) and we devided it up we realized that the cost was astromomical. It's just not worth the extra cost. Something that would be a bargain (or even just a reasonable price to pay) if it was being shipped internally within the US, becomes something you wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole if you take the foreign shipping costs into account Even if the shipping costs are reasonable. If anything is sent from the US to the Uk by UPS - then the recipient gets charged customs on it (I think based on the stated value of the item written on the attached postal slip) PLUS the Royal Mail adminstrative charges for having dealt with the customs people and having paid the Customs charge for you in order to get the parcel from customs and to your door.... So it only makes the process worth while *if* they don't send it UPS and *if* they are prepared to mark it as a "gift"... which is troubleand staff-time for them both in remembering to do so and in having to use non-company packaging materials and labels (which would tend to give the game away if it's covered in company logos and mailing labels and then marked "gift") Teddy (too poor to order anything anyway at the moment....) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:08:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02193 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:08:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KInLa19977; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:49:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KImrL15766; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K0QgL01234 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:26:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1c-155.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.6.155]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18811; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:23:06 -0600 Message-ID: <3C72F01F.2075B2DA@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200202191007.g1JA71525809@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Medieval Tailor's Assistant Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:38:56 -0700 Greetings to the list. I am posting this for Devra Langsam, owner of Poison Pen Press. Hope this helps, Mary Denise Smith "I have copies of the "Medieval Tailor's Assistant" in stock. It costs $40 plus $3 postage. To order, you can call me at 1-800-838-5257. Evenings are best. You can send me a fax at 208-247-1712, or email (2 emails if you're sending a credit number) at devra@poisonpenpress.com. In desperation, send a check to Poison Pen Press, 951 Coney island Ave #111, Bklyn NY 11230. Thanks. Devra Langsam Poison Pen Press" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02197 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:09:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KInXa19997; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIn5L15915; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13502.mail.yahoo.com (web13502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1K0aeL05961 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:36:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020220003701.50229.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.4.117.6] by web13502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:37:01 PST From: Sheila To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200202151902.g1FJ2KU10282@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Source for Trim Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 16:37:01 -0800 (PST) A friend of mine is looking for Historically Accurate trim, preferably 16c Welsh/English. Does anyone know of a merchant in this area? Thanks! Sheila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02201 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KInda20015; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:49:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KInBL15979; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:49:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K1XSL29512 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:33:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a2-202.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.98.202]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1K0rnq17180 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:53:49 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <45D5BC10B03@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [h-cost] Sewing room lights Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:56:35 +1100 Not fond of fluro here, too cold and, when fitted wrongly, can give headaches. Am an incandescent boy, 150 watts and a dimmer switch, -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02216 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:10:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIona20262; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:50:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIoML16789; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:50:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KELCL27872 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:21:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g1KE9tT29393 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:09:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C73B208.4676E4CB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hi from New Member ! References: <005301c1b9c1$d98fef40$ecae77d8@wt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Hi, Karen....welcome. Doesn't matter what the century around "here," we're all clothes-crazy. If anything, I've learned more, and had more fun listening to, those folks whose primary areas and mine _don't_ really intersect.....This list is a great place for fresh viewpoints. I like your red crinoline--what did you use for stiffening? Did you use red flannel for the fabric? It's certainly a wonderful bright red :-D --Sue, clotheshorse in almost any century ;-) > Karen Verschoor wrote: > > Thanks to Bjarne Drews I found this active group on historical > costuming! I've been consumed with 19th century womens costume for > the last few years. So I'm a non SCA person. For those who haven't > seen this yet, here's my web site showing last years project (and the > beginnings of this year's): > > http://www.verschoorphoto.f2s.com/1835/home.htm > (or as a back up: http://www.verschoorphoto.com/1835/home.htm) > > I am currently working on a POST civil war project. I've always > thought the hoop business was so overdone, but I fell in love with a > dress in a fashion plate from 1865 so I'm doing the crinoline thing. > > I recently decided to attend a Texas Revolution reenactment in April > so I decided to do a cotton calico 1836 dress. I really love the > 1830's because the period is such an enigma stuck between the regency > nightgown little shifts and the severe conservative look of the > 1840's. > > Looking forward to this group! > > Karen Verschoor > Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02228 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:13:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIsMa20797; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIrsL19202; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:53:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JKbGL07080 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:37:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawkeswood.com (pcp258553pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net [68.55.46.209]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10395; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:33:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3C72B83B.7D662E0E@hawkeswood.com> From: Betsy Delaney X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, ICG List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Re: [f-cost] CC23 site selection] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:40:27 -0500 First, it's official - CC23 will take place April 29-May 2, 2005 at the Marriott Hotel in Ogden, Utah. Second, since Karen didn't send this response to Chris's post, I felt I should try to forward it. I'm not a current member of H-Costume. If this post does not appear on that list, would someone who is a member of the list please pass it on? Thanks! Betsy -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [f-cost] CC23 site selection Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:09:38 -0500 From: Ricky & Karen Dick To: f-costume@indra.com CC: betsy@hawkeswood.com Christopher, because I am one of the founders of Costume-Con, I feel I need to address your post. First, you should be discussing any Costume-Con issues with ME rather than throwing them out into an open forum, as only two people (the CC service mark holders) can make changes to Costume-Con's ConStitution. I am one. My ex-husband Kelly is the other, and I currently hold his Power of Attorney for dealing with Costume-Con related issues. Second, the balloting system used for Costume-Con is the SAME one which has been used successfully for 50+ years for site selection for both WesterCon and WorldCon, which was one of the reasons we chose it for Costume-Con. Ironically, this voting method is known as the "Australian ballot," where the voter indicates order of preference (1, 2, 3) vs. voting for a single choice. Third, it has been made known to me that there were other irregularities in the site selection voting for CC-23, including not charging a voting fee, when said fee is CLEARLY spelled out as MANDATORY in section 2.9 of the Costume-Con ConStitution. Indeed, the entire site selection process is spelled out explicitly in section 2.0 of the Costume-Con ConStitution, http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/ccconstitution.shtml including a sample ballot with full voting instructions that explains the preferential voting process and how to correctly mark a ballot. The preferential ballot voting process has already been used successfully by three Costume-Cons (indeed, it was used at Costume-Con 17 to decide the site for YOUR Costume-Con). It is a simple matter to download that ballot and customize it with the information for any given voting year. The confusion over how to vote and the lack of a voting fee indicates to me that whoever on your committee was responsible for doing the balloting did not bother to download and use the sample ballot. Over the last four years, Betsy Delaney and I have spent a LOT of time on the ConStitution, making sure that everything is explained as clearly and simply as possible, with ease of use for the first-time Costume-Con committee in mind. There are templates available for many of the major documents required of a Costume-Con committee, both in bidding for a Costume-Con, and in administrating the site selection process. As my late father used to say, "If at first you don't succeed, go back and read the instructions." --Karen Dick, Costume-Con Founding Chairperson http://www.Costume-Con.org http://www.castleblood.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02232 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:14:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIsWa20834; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIs5L19323; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:54:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1HLlh515007 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:47:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.150.9178707 (18709); Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <150.9178707.29a17f02@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:47:46 EST I'm going to be merchanting (in one form or another) at Gulf Wars. One of the things I'm going to be selling is sandalwood fans. I keep trying to figure out a price on them and have seen them at most events in the $8-$10 range. Doing a search on them I come up with everything from $10-$36 for the same fan. E-bay is no help as over the past 2 weeks I've seen everything from $4.00 up to $50 for this same bloody fan. What are the people on this list willing to pay for a nice sandalwood fan? These are very pretty and have a fairly strong scent, all tassel colours are available. Please let me know, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02236 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIoFa20146; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:50:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KInlL16336; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:49:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1K1jtL04234; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 18:45:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from chris (dialup-a2-202.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [202.45.98.202]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g1K1jvJ35214; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:45:58 +1100 (EST) From: "Christopher Ballis" To: , , Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3C72B83B.7D662E0E@hawkeswood.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [h-cost] RE: [ICG-D] [Fwd: Re: [f-cost] CC23 site selection] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:48:40 +1100 (THE ORIGINAL POSTING THIS RESPONDS TO IS COPIED BELOW) Dear Karen, In response to your posting to H-costume [and forwarded to ICG-D list]: On the point of irregularities in the voting fee collection of ballots for the site selection: Only a couple of weeks before the convention, we were only informed that some supporting members had not received their ballot forms. At this point we initiated a quick-and-easy system for those people to vote. There were four responses. The introduction of the fee came AFTER CC20 was honoured by the right to host the convention. At no time after that date was any notice given to us that there had been any changes to the CC constitution either formally by the service mark holders or their representatives, or informally. The first notice we had was a surprised response by someone in an E-mail that arrived on the evening of Wednesday, February 13, 2002 (AEST). Farther on the fee, when it was unofficially pointed out that such a fee should be collected, it was. Those paid in $US cheques will be forwarded directly to Utah, the others paid in $A or by credit card with the exchange rates taken into account will be transferred as part of the convention financial wind-up. As to the use of the so-called Australian system: It is hated here and, with conventions at least, is being gradually dumped as unworkable let alone difficult to understand. The ballot form used for the voting here contained all of the information required to vote correctly including specific instructions. Among the voters were people who have attended and voted at many CCs including the last few and who should be more than familiar with the system. Without names on ballot forms it is impossible to know which form belonged to which voter (with 100% in favour of Utah this is redundant) but it is obvious that the system is beyond the comprehension of voters....or that they just don't care for it. Although not directly relevant to your posting, the concept of paying a fee to vote was met mostly with groans and ambivalence. When it was explained that the fee would be passed along as seed to the convention, people largely indicated that they would rather decide who they gave money to in the form of a pre-support. An interesting thought on this matter came over the weekend: If a great site and group with little initial resources was faced with a well-funded but incompetent bidder, the incompetent would be likely to win and take all of the money. People wish to decide who they fund and why. On the appointment of the site to Utah: Although each and every ballot received at the convention was informal and only one posted vote (that is now redundant unless a fee has been paid at the US end) was correct, ALL votes indicated Ogden, Utah, as the preferred site. Seeing that there was no Costume-Con service mark holder or representative at the convention, I as chair, took the decision to award the convention to Utah. If any action is to be taken, I am the responsible body. If this had not been done, we would have been faced with the following scenarios: No Costume-Con 23; A drawn out wait to name Utah as the obvious popular choice; A second round of voting late on the Sunday night of the convention along with a second lot of voting payments expected; A second round of voting at another place and time that would have drawn out the site selection process; Some other mind-numbing set of policy and politics that is not immediately obvious as I write this. Given the above scenarios and the sensible choice of saying yes to Utah, which would you rather? Overall, I accept that much time has been spent simplifying the CC processes as mentioned in your posting. The problems lay in communication and in lack of simplicity. First-past-the-post voting should be considered with re-count then re-vote options added. The re-vote option could even go by show of hands at the final night's event. There is the provision on the official ballot form according to the constitution for a "write in" option. That is: Official bidders; No convention; Other option to be written in by voter. How could the other option be considered legal when bidding is closed several months before the voting takes place? What would happen if a "write in" location won? Or, how much money do the service mark holders and their representatives including the presiding convention have to spend in court should this option be taken up? Do the archives list the number of votes received for earlier site selections? If so, how do these compare with more recent voting numbers? If the turn-out is lower than before, the new system may very well be killing interest in voting. Is this a good thing? Another thing to consider is this: It is easy to buy yourself a Costume-Con. Previously, you only had to look at the number of votes on average that were taken and buy that many supporting memberships under an assortment of names. The "new" system makes that possibility even cheaper. Let's hope Creation or Starland do not realise this, -C. Christopher, because I am one of the founders of Costume-Con, I feel I need to address your post. First, you should be discussing any Costume-Con issues with ME rather than throwing them out into an open forum, as only two people (the CC service mark holders) can make changes to Costume-Con's ConStitution. I am one. My ex-husband Kelly is the other, and I currently hold his Power of Attorney for dealing with Costume-Con related issues. Second, the balloting system used for Costume-Con is the SAME one which has been used successfully for 50+ years for site selection for both WesterCon and WorldCon, which was one of the reasons we chose it for Costume-Con. Ironically, this voting method is known as the "Australian ballot," where the voter indicates order of preference (1, 2, 3) vs. voting for a single choice. Third, it has been made known to me that there were other irregularities in the site selection voting for CC-23, including not charging a voting fee, when said fee is CLEARLY spelled out as MANDATORY in section 2.9 of the Costume-Con ConStitution. Indeed, the entire site selection process is spelled out explicitly in section 2.0 of the Costume-Con ConStitution, http://www.Costume-Con.org/procedure/ccconstitution.shtml including a sample ballot with full voting instructions that explains the preferential voting process and how to correctly mark a ballot. The preferential ballot voting process has already been used successfully by three Costume-Cons (indeed, it was used at Costume-Con 17 to decide the site for YOUR Costume-Con). It is a simple matter to download that ballot and customize it with the information for any given voting year. The confusion over how to vote and the lack of a voting fee indicates to me that whoever on your committee was responsible for doing the balloting did not bother to download and use the sample ballot. Over the last four years, Betsy Delaney and I have spent a LOT of time on the ConStitution, making sure that everything is explained as clearly and simply as possible, with ease of use for the first-time Costume-Con committee in mind. There are templates available for many of the major documents required of a Costume-Con committee, both in bidding for a Costume-Con, and in administrating the site selection process. As my late father used to say, "If at first you don't succeed, go back and read the instructions." --Karen Dick, Costume-Con Founding Chairperson http://www.Costume-Con.org http://www.castleblood.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:15:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02250 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:15:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KIrwa20757; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:53:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIrVL18987; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1JFpP505632; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:51:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawkeswood.com (pcp258553pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net [68.55.46.209]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22019; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:47:45 -0600 Message-ID: <3C727523.9853FAC7@hawkeswood.com> From: Betsy Delaney X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com CC: f-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [ICG-D] CC23 site selection Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:54:11 -0500 All: Unfortunately, based on the text version of the ballot I received, the vote would have to have been informal. The official ballot posted on the Costume-ConNections web site (at http://www.Costume-Con.org/) was not used, and no fee for site selection was collected, per the Costume-Con ConStitution. With official confirmation from Karen Dick to come shortly, the unofficial decision is that Costume-Con 23 will be held April 29 - May 2, 2005, at the Marriott Hotel in Ogden, Utah, 40 minutes north of of Salt Lake City, Utah. >From the ConStitution, this paragraph applies: 2.18 Procedures When No Bid Wins or is Eligible Should there be no qualified bidding committee, or should no eligible bid win the needed majority, or should "None of the Above" win, the Service Mark Holders may choose a site within six (6) weeks of the close of the administering Costume-Con conference. In the case of no eligible bid winning a majority, the Service Mark Holders may choose between/among the current eligible bids. The Service Mark Holders shall have the option to decline making a site choice, meaning there will be no Costume-Con conference that year. [Amended Wednesday, October 07, 1998] More details will also be available on the above-mentioned web site shortly. If you have any questions, please contact Costume-Con@Costume-Con.org for further information. The official decision will be posted to these same mailing lists. Sorry for any resulting duplication. Betsy Christopher Ballis wrote: > > The voting for Costume-Con 23 site selection took place at CC20 last > weekend. > > No formal ballots were received. That is, all were informal seeing all were > incorrectly filled out in spite of very simple instructions explaining the > needs of the voting system on each ballot form. > > Still, the overwhelming intention of the voters (100%, in fact) was for > Ogden, Utah. > > Who in thier right mind would deny Utah the opportunity? So, it looks like > they have it. > > This result being the case, some thought should be put into the use of the > current voting system, > > -C. > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck > Monitoring Service trial > http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/.DlolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ICG-D-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 13:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02276 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:21:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJ1wa21843; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:01:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJ1VL23620; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:01:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KIwfL21951 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:58:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.27.2321a588 (3703) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27.2321a588.29a54bf2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Karen's Dickens Dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_27.2321a588.29a54bf2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:58:58 EST --part1_27.2321a588.29a54bf2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/2002 1:48:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > Thanks for posting your site! > > Yes...but I MISSED IT! I want to see...let me!.... LET ME!!!! I wanna SEE!!!! [OK...little Albert....maybe someone will repost the web address! Now sit down!] --part1_27.2321a588.29a54bf2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/2002 1:48:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


Thanks for posting your site!



Yes...but I MISSED IT! I want to see...let me!.... LET ME!!!! I wanna SEE!!!!

[OK...little Albert....maybe someone will repost the web address! Now sit down!] --part1_27.2321a588.29a54bf2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:01:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02497 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:01:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJg3a26628; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJfaL16282; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:41:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJdQL15174 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-231-208.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.231.208]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 27B4237419 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:39:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <013501c1ba46$69746f80$d0e7f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: <20020217001258.16597.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linen Hose Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1BA35.16FD0C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:36:12 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1BA35.16FD0C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Cynthia, You wrote: Working on it? Does that mean your book is still in the offing? Not nagging, just being nosey per usual. Yep. It only takes longer, because halfways down the line, I threw the = whole concept around. Only a little more research and I can start = writing. But don't hold your breath...(I'm kinda busy with other things = now) Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1BA35.16FD0C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
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Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Cynthia,
 
You wrote:
Working on it?  Does that mean your book is still in the=20 offing?
 Not nagging, just being nosey per usual.
Yep. It only takes longer, because halfways down the line, I = threw the=20 whole concept around. Only a little more research and I can start = writing. But=20 don't hold your breath...(I'm kinda busy with other things now)
 
 
Henk
 
 

Visit the colourful tScapreel website;
Separate English = pages=20 clickable from the Dutch homepage
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C1BA35.16FD0C00-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02501 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:02:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJfna26594; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:41:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJfML16153; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:41:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJdWL15248 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:39:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from henk (xs241-231-208.dial.tiscali.nl [195.241.231.208]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A8D60372D5 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:39:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <013a01c1ba46$70cacae0$d0e7f1c3@henk> From: "Henk 't Jong - tScapreel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] book Organization: tScapreel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C1BA44.8996FA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:26:47 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C1BA44.8996FA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henk & Pauline 't Jong tScapreel Medieval Consultants Dordrecht - Netherland Hi Megan, You wrote: Amazon did not list it but Barnes and Noble did. You had to cost me = more money this month, didn't you? Oh, I don't know: I was just asking, not suggesting you buy it!!! ;-) Henk Visit the colourful tScapreel website; Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch homepage=20 Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C1BA44.8996FA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Henk & Pauline 't Jong
tScapreel
Medieval=20 Consultants
Dordrecht - Netherland
 

Hi Megan,
 
You wrote:
Amazon did not list it but Barnes and Noble did. You had to = cost me=20 more money this month, didn't you?
 
 
Oh, I don't know: I was just asking, not suggesting you buy it!!! = ;-)
 
Henk
 
 
Visit = the colourful=20 tScapreel website;
Separate English pages clickable from the Dutch = homepage=20
Now on our very own domain: www.scapreel.nl
------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C1BA44.8996FA00-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02547 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:06:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJjoa27077; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:45:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJjML18627; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:45:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f16.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJheL17660 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:43:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:44:01 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.118 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:44:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.118] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 19:44:01.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1D4B290:01C1BA46] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:44:00 -0800 Are they all scented? I payed $10 for my scented one and $7 for the unscented. It might be a bonus to have some of the unscented ones and some bottles of oil. I was thrilled when the merchant who sold me mine told me to put a couple drops of oil in a ziplock bag and store the fan in there to give it my own scent. I'm very big on individuality so this appealed to me a great deal. Jennifer >From: LadyGryphon@aol.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... >Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:47:46 EST > >I'm going to be merchanting (in one form or another) at Gulf Wars. One of >the >things I'm going to be selling is sandalwood fans. I keep trying to figure >out a price on them and have seen them at most events in the $8-$10 range. >Doing a search on them I come up with everything from $10-$36 for the same >fan. E-bay is no help as over the past 2 weeks I've seen everything from >$4.00 up to $50 for this same bloody fan. What are the people on this list >willing to pay for a nice sandalwood fan? These are very pretty and have a >fairly strong scent, all tassel colours are available. >Please let me know, >Lady G >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02574 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:08:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJmma27384; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:48:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJmLL20310; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:48:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJkUL19275 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:46:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a1.22e6b4d9 (17081) for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:46:46 -0500 (EST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Subject: [h-cost] Karen's cool website with her neat stuff to look at Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:46:45 EST http://www.verschoorphoto.f2s.com/1835/home.htm > (or as a back up: http://www.verschoorphoto.com/1835/home.htm) Ok, Albert, now you can really sit down. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:18:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02604 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:18:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJx8a28574; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:59:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJwfL26128; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:58:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mcn.org (mail.mcn.org [204.189.12.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJuJL24856 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mcn.org (ha-1e-men-p1-m12.mcn.org [63.193.12.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.mcn.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g1KJufPf008322 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:56:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3C738FA7.10E33046@mcn.org> From: Fred Struthers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@mail.indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] hist. accurate stitches Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:59:41 +0000 Had a call today from a tailor in New Hampshire who wants to have written material (instructions) on historically accurate tailoring with specific info on stitches used in the making up of clothing (pre- 1800 especially). I recommended Grimble's AFTER A FASHION, Burnston's FITTING AND PROPER which actually shows stitches in the garments she photo-illustrates, and Janet Arnold's books. Grimble's info on stitches to use, is by far the most detailed with big clear line illustrations and info on when & where to use which stitch. Visually Burnston's illustrations were terrific using extant clothing from 18thC. MEDIEVAL TAILOR'S ASSISTANT, by the way, is helpful on both counts (though the stitching is on the repro clothing and info is not as detailed as Grimble's). My questions are these Do ALFHAM, the Living History folks, or SCA, have any sort of published, accessible, official guidlines for accuracy in such things (down to this detail)? Would a tailor or seamstress have used ANY stitch he or she personally felt were the most appropriate for seam, button-hole, gusset etc,depending on skill and experience? Seems to me that their choices would be the same as our choices, pretty much. Has stitchery evolved and is that evolution reflected in extant clothing that various authors have researched and commented on? If so - which authors have commented specifically on this? Thanks for any help. Fred Struthers -- http://www.rlshep.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:18:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02608 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:18:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJxDa28598; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:59:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJwjL26170; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:58:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJuZL24986 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:56:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.67]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020220195701.RXCK22883.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:57:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3C73FF54.21A9D0C0@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:56:04 +0100 Hello. I just want to say that you can order sandalwood at the chemist shop. Very strong and long lasting and rather cheap!! Bjarne Jennifer Sena wrote: > Are they all scented? I payed $10 for my scented one and $7 for the > unscented. It might be a bonus to have some of the unscented ones and some > bottles of oil. I was thrilled when the merchant who sold me mine told me > to put a couple drops of oil in a ziplock bag and store the fan in there to > give it my own scent. I'm very big on individuality so this appealed to me > a great deal. > > Jennifer > > >From: LadyGryphon@aol.com > >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > >To: undisclosed-recipients:; > >Subject: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... > >Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:47:46 EST > > > >I'm going to be merchanting (in one form or another) at Gulf Wars. One of > >the > >things I'm going to be selling is sandalwood fans. I keep trying to figure > >out a price on them and have seen them at most events in the $8-$10 range. > >Doing a search on them I come up with everything from $10-$36 for the same > >fan. E-bay is no help as over the past 2 weeks I've seen everything from > >$4.00 up to $50 for this same bloody fan. What are the people on this list > >willing to pay for a nice sandalwood fan? These are very pretty and have a > >fairly strong scent, all tassel colours are available. > >Please let me know, > >Lady G > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews Åboulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews Åboulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02612 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KJwma28506; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:58:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KJwLL25910; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:58:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1KJthL24563 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:55:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020220195609.91289.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:56:09 PST From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <150.9178707.29a17f02@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:56:09 -0800 (PST) I've seen them at Pennsic and at Pearl River (big chinese import store in NYC) for $3-5. The few merchants that did have them at Pennsic did run out of them pretty quickly, though. Jas Townsend sells them for $5. --- LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > I'm going to be merchanting (in one form or another) at Gulf Wars. > One of the > things I'm going to be selling is sandalwood fans. I keep trying to > figure > out a price on them and have seen them at most events in the $8-$10 > range. > Doing a search on them I come up with everything from $10-$36 for > the same > fan. E-bay is no help as over the past 2 weeks I've seen everything > from > $4.00 up to $50 for this same bloody fan. What are the people on > this list > willing to pay for a nice sandalwood fan? These are very pretty and > have a > fairly strong scent, all tassel colours are available. > Please let me know, > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Megan Irvine http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:39:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02655 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:39:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KKIna00827; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:18:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KKIKL07769; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:18:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KKF9L05864 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020220201535.IQBY22101.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:15:35 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Source for Trim Message-ID: <3C7403E9.9826.37E61B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020220003701.50229.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200202151902.g1FJ2KU10282@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:15:37 -0000 On 19 Feb 2002 at 16:37, Sheila wrote: > A friend of mine is looking for Historically Accurate > trim, preferably 16c Welsh/English. > Does anyone know of a merchant in this area? What area would that be? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:45:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02674 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:45:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KKPma01628; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:25:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KKPLL11852; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:25:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f110.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KKNDL10653 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:23:35 -0800 Received: from 32.102.123.118 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:23:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.123.118] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] living history in Oregon? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2002 20:23:35.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[791F4DA0:01C1BA4C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:23:35 -0800 > >Are these sites that do living history, or are they just historical >sites? I'm anxiously awaiting your findings. Does Roseburg do >anything? (I know they have a museum.) What about the 'End of the Oregon >Trail' site? I would be leaving all the living history sites in California >if I moved, so I'm checking out the ones in Oregon, just in case. Did you check out; http://www.ottravelers.com/welcome.html http://www.xprt.net/~1911colt/groupsor.html http://www.flinns.com/block.html http://nwocta.com/livinghistory/speakers.html They are all Pacific Northwestern. Albany is north of Eugene just so you're not lost. :) > >I was visiting Oregon last week, and made sure I went to Washugal, >Washington, for more wool from the Pendleton outlet. The 'expensive' stuff >was $3/yd, and the cheaper stuff was $2/yd. I have tailored 'Gibson Girl' >walking suits/skirts, English Regency tailcoats, and Victorian frock coats >in mind. I may even do a wool German Ren. outfit if I do move to Oregon >(my summer-in-California one is linen). I'm severely reactive to wool, but as a girl (in SW Wash.) the Pendelton Outlet was my mother's mecca. giggles. Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 14:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02695 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:53:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KKXoa02465; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:33:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KKXML16298; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KKVuL15473 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:31:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id MAA19463 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:32:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220123108.01baa558@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] sandlewood fans... In-Reply-To: <20020220195609.91289.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <150.9178707.29a17f02@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:33:56 -0800 Cost Plus imports pretty much always has pierced sandalwood fans (individually packaged in a fabric-covered, glass-topped box) in stock. Last time I looked, I believe they were $1.99. Unless I lived in an area that didn't have Cost Plus, or there was a serious difference in quality, I wouldn't pay more than $2 for a sandalwood fan. At 11:56 AM 2/20/2002, Megan Irvine wrote: >I've seen them at Pennsic and at Pearl River (big chinese import >store in NYC) for $3-5. The few merchants that did have them at >Pennsic did run out of them pretty quickly, though. Jas Townsend >sells them for $5. > >--- LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > I'm going to be merchanting (in one form or another) at Gulf Wars. > > One of the > > things I'm going to be selling is sandalwood fans. I keep trying to > > figure > > out a price on them and have seen them at most events in the $8-$10 > > range. > > Doing a search on them I come up with everything from $10-$36 for > > the same > > fan. E-bay is no help as over the past 2 weeks I've seen everything > > from > > $4.00 up to $50 for this same bloody fan. What are the people on > > this list > > willing to pay for a nice sandalwood fan? These are very pretty and > > have a > > fairly strong scent, all tassel colours are available. > > Please let me know, > > Lady G > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >===== >Megan Irvine >http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ >http://www.darkthreads.com/ >Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Feb 20 15:38:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02906 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 15:38:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g1KLHxa07718; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:17:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1KLHSL12955; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from urdvg136.cms.usa.net (urdvg136.cms.usa.net [204.68.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g1KLEpL11425 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 14:14:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4848 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002