From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 12:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03826 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:33:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21IF7a29835; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21IF5X10239; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g216mIb27896 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:48:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-135.frys.com [66.121.20.135]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g216nlR04561 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:49:47 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020228224332.00c6e930@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Indian bedspreads (block-printed fabrics for gowns) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:46:30 -0800 Status: RO I've seen some yardage like this, without the borders, at nicer fabric stores and quilt places. 'Stone Mountain and Daughters' in Berkeley has them, as does 'Mendel's Far-Out Fabrics' in San Francisco (in The Haight). The yardage is a finer weave (shirt-weight) than the bedspreads usually are. >I just spent way too much time online searching for block-printed textiles >suitable for 18th c. gowns. Finally turned this up: > >http://www.madturban.com/ > >Some of them aren't quite accurate, but there are a few that are dead-on. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 12:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03830 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:33:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21IFSa29931; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:15:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21IFRX10506; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:15:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21BaKb15365 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.65.178.96] ([68.65.178.96]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSALKE01.6Y8 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 06:36:14 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c1bfc4$a945be60$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:36:13 -0500 Status: RO I've always wondered if there was any way to remove the rubber backing. Has anyone ever tried to? laurie > Oh cool! I have those exact same curtains in my stash! Ha, I got mine before > I even knew about Teddy, so does that make me an "orangehead" too? Like you, > I have NO idea what to do with them, especially since they have that yucky > rubber backing, but I remember I just HAD to bring them home. I'm in the > process of cleaning up my sewing/fabric/craft rooms, so they may have to > find another home. Believe it or not, I also have the black/silver version > of the same pattern. > > Hello, my name is Linda, and I'm a fabriholic...... > Virginia Beach, Va USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda J. Thompson" < > Subject: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 12:36:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03841 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:36:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21IHda00619; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:17:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21IHcX12313; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:17:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21E6wb22118 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:07:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.163] (pm5-163.eos.net [205.133.149.163]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14800 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:02:14 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200202281530.g1SFUD425964@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: sueded and "felted" silk Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:59:02 -0500 Status: RO Robin: I asked a friend who spins silk about your two fabrics, and here are her responses. (FYI: She is doing a lot of research on silk spinning, and does not weave.) First: The "felted" silk. My friend says that the commercial silk industry does all kinds of things to fabrics to prepare them for market, and that you probably washed out the sizing and perhaps other chemicals that controlled the fibers, allowing them to do what they want. Spun silk is made up of "short" fibers, which she says are longer than wool fibers but still relatively short, all spun together. The ends of the silk fibers stick out just like they do in spun wool, and depending on the quality of the silk that's spun to begin with, they will behave different ways when allowed to. Sizing, heat rolling, and other commercial treatments make the spun silk stay flat like reeled silk, which is silk fibers reeled straight from the cuccoon in immense lengths (up to 1/2 mile long!). Second: Sueded silk, she says, would not have been used in the 12th century. According to her, all silk in 12th century Europe was imported from Byzantium, which wove all its fabrics from reeled silk. No matter what you did with it, the little ends wouldn't fuzz up because there weren't any little ends. Fabric made from reeled silk was and is strong, lustrous, and very expensive. Spinning silk from short pieces made it less expensive, because you could use the waste pieces (such as the bits on the outside of the cuccoons). My friend said that by the time the silk industry had made it to Italy in the 15th century, weavers were using waste silk for either the warp or the weft (I can't remember which) and that this was a big controversy and the subject of many statutes, because it was using "inferior" fibers. So perhaps this kind of fabric might have been used in and beyond the Renaissance. She didn't know whether it was or not, but it could have been. FYI, my friend told me that no one is really sure how many silk cuccoons were used at a time to make thread for weaving. One thread is so fine you can barely see it, but some people say that as few as two were put together for a weaving thread. Others do not agree. Anyone who wants further information about sources, etc., please email me privately and I will put you in touch with my knowledgeable friend. I just posted what I thought would be of general interest -- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 12:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03846 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:37:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21IK1a01438; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21IK0X14435; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21EXjb28657 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:34:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEULOT0IEO00LE78@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEULOSG2UK00G7KS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:29:19 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:29:19 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:29:16 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk? In-reply-to: <200203011349.g21DmOb17454@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <22813D97EA4@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (Then she offered me a part-time job, as a fill-in two half-days a > week, seeing as how I know more about their fabrics better than her > other employees. Pay is standard retail, which is lousy, but the 50 > percent employee discount will more than balance *that* out, given the > volume of shopping I do there. I do believe I'll say yes. My day job > is a home business, so I can squeeze the time in. Who wouldn't want to > spend 8 hours a week fondling fabric and get paid for it? The store > inventory is at least half composed of linen, wool, and silk, and I'll > get first pick of new stock.) Woooohooo! Go for it Robin!!! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 12:41:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03879 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:41:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21INTa02486; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:23:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21INSX17148; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21GWHX12509 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g21GWFce013601 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Packthread stays, again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, I stumbled across it at the Library of Congress, when I was there researching something else (talk about serendipity)... -- Mara On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Martha Kelly wrote: > This sounds like a fascinating article. Where would one find it? Are the > "Proceedings" published and available in libraries? I tried the research > search engine of the NY Public Library to no avail, though I learned that > the Mactaggarts did write a book about finishing harpsichord cases. I also > found "Costume" which is the magazine of the Costume Society - but nothing > about proceedings from conferences. > > By the way, I had this same problem with many of the articles in Vicki Betts > wonderful Civil War Fashion Bibliography. I tried NYPL and the library at > FIT, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places. > > Martha > > > In _Some Aspects of the Use of Non-Fashionable Stays, by P. and R. A. > Mactaggart_, from _Strata of Society: Proceedings of the Seventh Annual > Conference of the Costume Society_, April 6-8, 1973: > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 14:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04371 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:19:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21K2Aa12421; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:02:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21K28X11320; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:02:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mysticaquarium.org ([209.113.196.245]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21K0TX10439 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:00:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3179E88223C9D31181BC00C04F800BF97DF757@EXCHANGE> From: lmcdonough@ife.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Linen Sale Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:03 -0500 Status: RO Hi everyone, Not sure about the geographical representation on this list, but folks in Mass., RI and CT might be interested to know that The Fabric Place has linen on sale, 20% off. They have a good selection and it's fine quality Irish 100% linen of all different weights and colors. Reg. prices range from $8 - $15 per yard, not great, but any deal is a deal. They do have a website, www.fabricplace.com, but only one linen is listed there and it's $18 a yard (supposedly a discount on a bulk/bolt purchase!). Not sure if the website honors the monthly flyer sales but there is a link. As a fabricaholic like most of the rest of you, I've been beaming all day due to my morning linen purchase. Laurie P.S. I'm interested in trading a My Double medium-size dress form (32" waist at its smallest) for a small dress form. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 14:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04413 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:24:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21K66a12804; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:06:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21K65X13436; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (mtao2.east.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21K4tX12836 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:04:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020301200450.MDFJ20705.lakemtao02.cox.net@cx181913a> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:04:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c1c15d$5d898f20$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: sueded and "felted" silk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:12:07 -0500 Status: RO Gosh, it certainly is! Thanks! Linda Virginia Beach, Va USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" Subject: [h-cost] Re: sueded and "felted" silk > Anyone who wants further information about sources, etc., please email me > privately and I will put you in touch with my knowledgeable friend. I just > posted what I thought would be of general interest -- > > Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 14:45:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04518 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:45:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g21KGoa14815; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:16:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21KGdX19862; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:16:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (mtao4.east.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g21KEMX18116 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:14:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from cx181913a ([68.10.136.230]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020301201417.NTZB19476.lakemtao04.cox.net@cx181913a> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:14:17 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c1c15e$aeadd900$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> From: "Linda Rice" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:21:33 -0500 Status: RO This is one of those questions that pops up regularly, and so far, I haven't heard anyone come up with an easy, cheap, safe way to do it. I've heard some pretty industrious suggestions, including using lighter fluid and other dangerous chemicals, but nothing that makes it really cost and safety effective. I do know that eventually, with repeated washing and drying on hot, the rubber will begin to disintegrate and flake off. Personally, if I have to work that hard just to prepare my fabric before I even get to the cutting stage, it just ain't worth it! Maybe if I were doing some wild fantasy costume, and the drapes were "it", I might go to all that trouble. I have used the rubber-backed curtains for such things as ground-cloths and backgrounds for wallhangings. I've also upholstered a couple of chairs with them. Linda Virginia Beach, Va USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "randl" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too > > I've always wondered if there was any way to remove the rubber backing. Has > anyone ever tried to? > laurie > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 19:14:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05743 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:14:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g220v2a11282; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g220v0X16837; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g220uTX16637 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:56:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtnbq.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.221.122]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16gxp6-0001Ax-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:56:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C7E6A49.6070202@comcast.net> References: <3C7E6A49.6070202@comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:07:03 -0800 Status: RO At 11:35 AM -0600 2/28/02, Linda J. Thompson wrote: >That's what we all need to see Teddy. > >An enourmous 50 year old woman decked out in a neon orange >Elizabethan costume. It would almost be as bad as me wearing a >waist cincher over a see through chemise.. (Gawd I hate that when it >shows up at fair) > >It would give small children and animals nightmares for years! >LOL... > >Who knows maybe I will find the right client for it. :) > >Now all I have to do is get the moth ball smell out of it.. why >anyone would store polyester fabric in moth balls. :( We actually had one of those walking around the Northern California Renaissance Faire for a few years (as a paying customer, I hasten to add, _not_ a faire worker!). As far as I could tell, she wasn't doing it deliberately to be funny, either. The effect was enhanced by the fact that her farthingale hoops were too big and she wore them straight from her waist -- no bumroll. She looked for all the world like an animated traffic cone :-) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 19:15:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05750 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:15:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g220vLa11310; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:57:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g220vKX16967; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g220uUX16647 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:56:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-33qtnbq.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.221.122]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16gxp6-0001Ax-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:56:29 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C7E6A49.6070202@comcast.net> References: <3C7E6A49.6070202@comcast.net> To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:07:03 -0800 Status: RO At 11:35 AM -0600 2/28/02, Linda J. Thompson wrote: >That's what we all need to see Teddy. > >An enourmous 50 year old woman decked out in a neon orange >Elizabethan costume. It would almost be as bad as me wearing a >waist cincher over a see through chemise.. (Gawd I hate that when it >shows up at fair) > >It would give small children and animals nightmares for years! >LOL... > >Who knows maybe I will find the right client for it. :) > >Now all I have to do is get the moth ball smell out of it.. why >anyone would store polyester fabric in moth balls. :( We actually had one of those walking around the Northern California Renaissance Faire for a few years (as a paying customer, I hasten to add, _not_ a faire worker!). As far as I could tell, she wasn't doing it deliberately to be funny, either. The effect was enhanced by the fact that her farthingale hoops were too big and she wore them straight from her waist -- no bumroll. She looked for all the world like an animated traffic cone :-) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 19:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05766 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:19:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22121a11637; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22120X18670; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2211MX18418 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:01:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.a3.247a45b0 (4231) for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:01:15 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:01:15 EST Status: RO In a message dated 1/3/02 6:57:56 PM, claning@igc.org writes: << The effect was enhanced by the fact that her farthingale hoops were too big and she wore them straight from her waist -- no bumroll. >> I saw something similar at Scarborough a couple of years ago. She was in the lasies room complaining that her hoops showed (at least she noticed, most don't). I told her I could fix it, dove upnder her skirt and reduced her hoops to a reasonable amount. The hoops disappeared and she went out with a smile. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 20:04:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05990 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:04:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g221j4a13920; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g221j1X01417; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx.slumberland.org (mx.slumberland.org [216.162.201.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g221imX01324 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:44:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.162.201.13] (HELO [192.168.1.24]) by mx.slumberland.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11) with ESMTP id S.0000845910 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:57:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: litlnemo@mx.slumberland.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020228024118.00bf0100@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020228024118.00bf0100@mail.frys.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Wool Satin Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:31:50 -0800 Status: RO >>My local natural-fiber fabric store once carried some bolts of wool >>satin. I could stand there and fondle them for hours, but the >>price was absolutely prohibitive (IIRC, around $50/yd). Still, >>it's nice to know that someone, somewhere _does_ make the stuff. When I was in Vancouver, BC at Christmastime, I found several colors of wool satin in a fabric store (I don't recall the name, but it was right next to the Indian fabric district, yet not an Indian fabric store. There was NOTHING any good in this store except for the wool satin!). With the exchange rate, I could have gotten some for about $20US/yd, I think. Maybe it was a little less. I didn't, and have been kicking myself ever since. It was interesting stuff. It was definitely wool, but with a sheen I'm not used to seeing in wool. I wonder if that store still has it. -- -- Wendi *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+-------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear / / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 21:21:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06330 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:21:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22342a17591; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22340X23787; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22338X23567 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:03:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p135-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.209.135]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA15199 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:03:04 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p135-nas5.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.209.135] claimed to be user Message-ID: <001901c1c196$a56995e0$87d1adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <001b01c1c15e$aeadd900$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Subject: rubber backing, was Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:02:03 +1300 Status: RO > This is one of those questions that pops up regularly, and so far, I haven't > heard anyone come up with an easy, cheap, safe way to do it. I've heard > some pretty industrious suggestions, including using lighter fluid and other > dangerous chemicals, but nothing that makes it really cost and safety > effective. I used some cotton-poly rubber backed stuff to make my blue dress (http://recital.tripod.com/costume/blue.htm). The stove top dying process made the rubber very soft, and when I hung it out to dry, where the rubber backing was folded onti itself, became bonded and peeled relatively easily from the fabric. Maybe someone would test to see if they can do the same thing to a whole piece of fabric? I simply lined it all and as the process managed to at least thin the rubber elsewhere, it really was no hotter than any other heavy fabric I've used:). michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 21:57:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06452 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:57:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g223e1a19275; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g223e0X02857; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g223dBX02609 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04636 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:56:45 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too In-Reply-To: <001b01c1c15e$aeadd900$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:56:45 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Linda Rice wrote: > I do know that eventually, with repeated washing and drying on hot, > the rubber will begin to disintegrate and flake off. I once had some rubber-backed stuff that was losing its backing, and I found that without the backing, the material was dreadfully weak and limp. It's not intended to exist without the backing, and was unusable when the backing was removed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 21:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06478 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:59:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g223g1a19413; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g223g0X03386; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe54.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g223fEX03131 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:41:09 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [128.95.177.85] User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Satin From: Cruiskeen To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2002 03:41:09.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[17238FB0:01C1C19C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:41:13 -0800 Status: RO Was it Rokko fabrics on Fraser, - a few blocks over from the main Indian shopping district at Main and 49th? > > When I was in Vancouver, BC at Christmastime, I found several colors > of wool satin in a fabric store (I don't recall the name, but it was > right next to the Indian fabric district, yet not an Indian fabric > store. There was NOTHING any good in this store except for the wool > satin!). With the exchange rate, I could have gotten some for about > $20US/yd, I think. Maybe it was a little less. I didn't, and have > been kicking myself ever since. > > It was interesting stuff. It was definitely wool, but with a sheen > I'm not used to seeing in wool. > > I wonder if that store still has it. > -- > -- Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 22:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06539 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:16:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g223x2a20077; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g223x1X07469; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g223wGX07287 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:58:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust103.tnt6.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.118.103] helo=hppav) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16h0f1-00069Z-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:58:16 -0500 Message-ID: <006701c1c19e$c81075c0$6776e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Sueded silk? Working at Fabric Store Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:00:23 -0600 Status: RO Robin, welcome to the club. I Started part-time at Fabric Wharehouse/Hacock's in October of '97. Friends of mine laughed when I said this was extra income to help pay off some bills. I now have a basement full of fabric, mostly modern stuff, and not enough time to sew. Oh, I'm a part-time supervisor now;) Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 22:40:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06604 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g224N2a21093; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g224N1X13561; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g224MqX13507 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:22:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04804 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:40:26 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Sueded silk again Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:40:26 -0600 (CST) Status: RO (Responding both the Kayta and Gail in the post) On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > ...I find conscious re-interpretation, as theatrical people often do, > much preferable to pseudo-scholarly justification, so I'm > over-sensitive to the possibility that the latter might have happened. > > Two hot buttons, for me, are 'the tourists won't know the difference' > (voiced by docents), and 'if they'd had it they'd have used it (so > we'll use it)' (voiced by SCA members). The first is lying, and the > second is sloppy reasoning. Well, I can see how my offhand questions might have been interpreted to suggest that I was doing the latter, but I can reassure you I'm more careful than that :-) My first concern was to find out just how the fabric I was holding got its texture. Once I knew that, I could work on the question of whether that technique was parallel to anything done in any of the particular periods in which I was working. I was not simply going to say, "Well, they could have accomplished this if they tried, so it's legal." But looking back over my posts, as I inched my way along my train of fact-finding, I can see how it might have looked as though I was stopping at that point. As it happens, Gail has just provided the missing links in my knowledge, when she quoted a knowledgeable friend saying this: > Second: Sueded silk, she says, would not have been used in the 12th > century. According to her, all silk in 12th century Europe was > imported from Byzantium, which wove all its fabrics from reeled silk. > No matter what you did with it, the little ends wouldn't fuzz up > because there weren't any little ends. Fabric made from reeled silk > was and is strong, lustrous, and very expensive. Spinning silk from > short pieces made it less expensive, because you could use the waste > pieces (such as the bits on the outside of the cuccoons). My friend > said that by the time the silk industry had made it to Italy in the > 15th century, weavers were using waste silk for either the warp or the > weft (I can't remember which) and that this was a big controversy and > the subject of many statutes, because it was using "inferior" fibers. > So perhaps this kind of fabric might have been used in and beyond the > Renaissance. She didn't know whether it was or not, but it could have > been. I knew silk was being imported, not produced in Europe, in the 12th century, and I knew that waste silk has short fibers, and I knew about the use of waste silk to make inferior fabrics (under strict regulations) in the 15th century European silk industry. But I didn't know that (1) only waste silk would produce a softened effect when brushed, and (2) that only reeled silk was imported at this time. If so, this means that the bolt I have in hand is not usable for 12th century, but might be usable for something rather later. This does still leave me with a quandary regarding the 12th century silk garment I need to make, and an issue that may call into question both (1) and (2) above. (Gail, I'd love to hear your friend's comments on the following.) First, there are plenty of references to silk overdresses in the 12th century, but the reeled silk I've seen modernly is typically very thin and crisp, and the garments we see in the images suggest a heavy, drapey fabric. The soft silk I have in hand would work well to create that look, as would a fine woolen or worsted, but the reeled silk available now does not usually fill that bill. Is there reeled silk available now that is heavy and drapey? If not, are we sure there was then? I have not seen enough archaeological silk samples close-up to get an impression, and I haven't studied the history of silk manufacture. As part of the same train of thought, there is plenty of written evidence of the use of silk for heavy purposes such as tentmaking and drapery and horses' trappings; silk as a fiber was valued for its strength. I don't have solid dates on these uses -- I'm working from memory. But I doubt that flimsy, fine, or crisp silk would be suitable for such uses. That raises, again, the issue of the availability of heavy reeled silk, and also the possibility that there was some point at which waste silk was also imported for heavier purposes. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if, in the 12th century, the rules against importation of waste silk were not yet established. What is the possibility that waste silks were being imported at the same time as the reeled silks, but for different purposes? Didn't the Byzantines use their waste fibers? > FYI, my friend told me that no one is really sure how many silk > cuccoons were used at a time to make thread for weaving. One thread is > so fine you can barely see it, but some people say that as few as two > were put together for a weaving thread. Others do not agree. I don't know how you could get heavy silk fabrics otherwise, but I am not a weaver. I wonder, though, if a heavy silk fabric made of multiple-strand threads might be able to hold up to brushing to produce nap, if the brushing actually broke fibers rather than making existing short fibers stand up. At this point, I think I'm going to put the sample I have under a microscope and see if I can figure out anything about the length of the fibers. Hints on what to look for are very welcome. Changing topics to my bizarre experience with a herringbone "raw" silk that "fulled," Gail quotes her friend again: > First: The "felted" silk. My friend says that the commercial silk > industry does all kinds of things to fabrics to prepare them for > market, and that you probably washed out the sizing and perhaps other > chemicals that controlled the fibers, allowing them to do what they > want. Spun silk is made up of "short" fibers, which she says are > longer than wool fibers but still relatively short, all spun together. > The ends of the silk fibers stick out just like they do in spun wool, > and depending on the quality of the silk that's spun to begin with, > they will behave different ways when allowed to. Sizing, heat rolling, > and other commercial treatments make the spun silk stay flat like > reeled silk, which is silk fibers reeled straight from the cuccoon in > immense lengths (up to 1/2 mile long!). There's no doubt that this piece was indeed a spun silk, and that's probably a fair explanation for the surface texture change. I wonder if this would explain the tremendous shrinkage I got, too. If so, it would be essentially equivalent to the effect of fulling on wool -- as the fibers stop lying flat and start to fluff up, the fabric becomes thicker, and loses some length and width. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 23:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06762 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:20:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22534a22625; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22530X22631; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:03:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2252JX22460 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:02:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-144.frys.com [66.121.20.144]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2253pR20966 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:03:51 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020301204406.00e51260@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: rubber backing, was Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too In-Reply-To: <001901c1c196$a56995e0$87d1adcb@user> References: <001b01c1c15e$aeadd900$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 20:49:36 -0800 Status: RO I made a hooded rain cape out of rubber-backed brocade once. When I was finished, I carefully ironed the cotton lining onto the rubber. I didn't melt the rubber stuff enough to seep thru the cotton, but that lining was cemented in place. I didn't have to deal with the rubbery-ness, but I had a nicely lined brocade cape which was modern-waterproof while still looking period. > > This is one of those questions that pops up regularly, and so far, I >haven't > > heard anyone come up with an easy, cheap, safe way to do it. I've heard > > some pretty industrious suggestions, including using lighter fluid and >other > > dangerous chemicals, but nothing that makes it really cost and safety > > effective. > >I used some cotton-poly rubber backed stuff to make my blue dress >(http://recital.tripod.com/costume/blue.htm). The stove top dying process >made the rubber very soft, and when I hung it out to dry, where the rubber >backing was folded onti itself, became bonded and peeled relatively easily >from the fabric. >Maybe someone would test to see if they can do the same thing to a whole >piece of fabric? I simply lined it all and as the process managed to at >least thin the rubber elsewhere, it really was no hotter than any other >heavy fabric I've used:). > >michaela > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 23:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06778 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:27:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g225A2a22835; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225A1X24216; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2259ZX24146 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-155.frys.com [66.121.20.155]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g225B7R21110 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:11:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020301210525.00d63b00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk again In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:07:14 -0800 Status: RO Did these folks line their silk garments? Could you line yours and get the right combination of surface shine and drapey weight you wanted? >First, there are plenty of references to silk overdresses in the 12th >century, but the reeled silk I've seen modernly is typically very thin and >crisp, and the garments we see in the images suggest a heavy, drapey >fabric. The soft silk I have in hand would work well to create that look, >as would a fine woolen or worsted, but the reeled silk available now does >not usually fill that bill. Is there reeled silk available now that is >heavy and drapey? If not, are we sure there was then? I have not seen >enough archaeological silk samples close-up to get an impression, and I >haven't studied the history of silk manufacture. > >As part of the same train of thought, there is plenty of written evidence >of the use of silk for heavy purposes such as tentmaking and drapery and >horses' trappings; silk as a fiber was valued for its strength. I don't >have solid dates on these uses -- I'm working from memory. But I doubt >that flimsy, fine, or crisp silk would be suitable for such uses. That >raises, again, the issue of the availability of heavy reeled silk, and >also the possibility that there was some point at which waste silk was >also imported for heavier purposes. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 23:32:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06804 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:32:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g225F1a23016; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225F1X25594; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225DTX25200 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:13:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id VAA22650 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200203020531.VAA22650@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Now I've gone and done it Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:31:25 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Looks like I'm on a 1950s kick. My husband helped convince me to buy a couple retro-looking stamps from Hot Potatoes. We'll soon be receiving two large stamps, one of a Bohr atom (Science!), and one of another matching starburst shape. George wants to be ScienceMan. Actually, he wants me to block print him a work shirt using those stamps. It'll go fine with my black-on-black polka dot 50s dress. Maybe I'll use silver embossing powder on his shirt, for the really cheezy 1950s futuristic look. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 1 23:39:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06837 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g225M1a23248; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225M0X27174; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225KDX26779 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:20:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m152.in-tch.com [216.166.191.152]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g22572H19138 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:07:02 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C8061D8.F0BEB4D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: rubber backing, was Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too References: <001b01c1c15e$aeadd900$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> <001901c1c196$a56995e0$87d1adcb@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:23:36 -0700 Status: RO Okay....*sigh*....I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that it's been *way, way* too long a week when I see this subject line, and all that's going through my head is: "Rubber ducky, you're the one. You make bathtime lots of fun....." aaaarrrrgggggghhhhh........ Sue, running off to find the *sane* bits left of her life.... michaela wrote: > > > This is one of those questions that pops up regularly, and so far, I > haven't > > heard anyone come up with an easy, cheap, safe way to do it. I've heard > > some pretty industrious suggestions, including using lighter fluid and > other > > dangerous chemicals, but nothing that makes it really cost and safety > > effective. > > I used some cotton-poly rubber backed stuff to make my blue dress > (http://recital.tripod.com/costume/blue.htm). The stove top dying process > made the rubber very soft, and when I hung it out to dry, where the rubber > backing was folded onti itself, became bonded and peeled relatively easily > from the fabric. > Maybe someone would test to see if they can do the same thing to a whole > piece of fabric? I simply lined it all and as the process managed to at > least thin the rubber elsewhere, it really was no hotter than any other > heavy fabric I've used:). > > michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 00:15:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06944 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:15:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g225w3a24616; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:58:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225w2X05836; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g225v2X05619 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05131 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:14:37 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] A puzzle for the silk experts (was: Sueded silk) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:14:37 -0600 (CST) Status: RO For those who came in late :-) I've been puzzling over a fabric I've bought that was called "sueded silk" -- dress weight, substantial enough not to see through, drapey, very very soft to the touch, but slightly "sticky" like silk, smooth with a gentle shine, no slubs, and no nap visible to the eye. It is not sandwashed silk. I've been trying to figure out whether it might be a good representation of a medieval silk (I'm looking for 12th c., but I could use it for something else if it was more appropriate to a later period). Several people have commented that its softness suggests it is a spun silk that has been brushed to raise the short fibers into a "micro-nap," and that thus it would not have been used in the middle ages, when reeled silks were the norm. I just took a 7-inch-long strip from the weft edge and pulled out a 7-inch long weft thread. It was two-ply, and I separated it. And then kept separating. Every time I thought I was down to a unique fiber, I found that it split apart again. Ultimately I got down to a fiber that was about the width of a piece of dust. (This was not easy, and I lost quite a few fibers into the air and had to start over.) It tangled easily till I got the knack of separating the fibers, but it was not tightly twisted, and did not seem prone to breaking. Of course I was handling it very gently; I'm sure I could have broken it if I tried at all, but it didn't break on its own just from the de-plying. Every single one of these fibers was the full 7 inches I started with. Under a microscope, the thread was transparent; I could see its outline in red (the fabric is red) and otherwise look right through the fiber. I saw nothing else of note, but it's a very small student microscope, and I don't know what to look for. I then pulled a warp thread, which was only two inches (the width of my sample swatch). A close look showed many short fiber ends sticking up from the thread, which I had not seen on the weft. This, I think, is the source of the micro-nap. However, when I plied the thread, I came up with the same gossamer fibers, and the vast majority of them were the full length of the two-inch thread. I suspect I am looking at a reeled silk whose warp threads were brushed enough to break a few of the surface fibers along the threads and create the soft texture, leaving most of the threads intact. The weft threads do not appear to have been broken in this way. But I am not a silk expert. So, I ask those who know: Would the presence of fibers that all ran the full length of a 7-inch-long thread be sufficient to indicate a reeled silk? Is there something else I should be checking for? Should I cut a much longer piece to be sure? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 00:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06991 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:25:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22682a25035; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22681X08461; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2267mX08403 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:07:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05168 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:25:23 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk again In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020301210525.00d63b00@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:25:23 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > Did these folks line their silk garments? Could you line yours and > get the right combination of surface shine and drapey weight you > wanted? Evidence on linings is uncertain at this time, and what I've been able to find suggests they were used in some garments but not universally. I may line mine, but although a lining would add weight to the garment, in my experience it would not change the surface draping/folding of the outer layer. Most of the silks people point to today as "reeled" rather than "spun" are too crisp or too fine/limp to hang right, at least as I understand "right." I may be wrong ;-) In any case, I'm not looking just to make this work visually with the fabric I have in hand. If it was only the look I needed, there are a lot of things I could do. But I'm trying to determine the weight/type of fabric that *would* have been used, and then to locate a modern equivalent that will help me test the construction to see if I can achieve the same heavy, drapey look I see in the images, and maybe answer some questions as well. This is possibly not an achievable goal, given the gaps in the evidence, but I want to get as close as I can. However, as I've posted in another post a few minutes ago, it may be a reeled silk I have after all, which might put it back in the running. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 04:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03198 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 04:05:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g229m5a01094; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:48:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g229m0X25900; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g229lXX25819 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020302094732.FQGU8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:47:32 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3C809FB3.15048.16EFA5@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] Henry Shaw: "Dress and Decoration of the Middle Ages" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:47:31 -0000 Status: RO I picked this book up from a book club a while back because a) I'm a beginner, this is a book about middle ages dress, I'm buying it b) it was cheap c) it's got lots of pretty pictures. But.... written in the 1840s? Can I take any of those pretty pictures as being accurate, useful, or anything else? ISBN 188544024-3 It's in Amazon, but with no reviews _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 04:22:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03265 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 04:22:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22A51a01478; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22A50X29493; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:05:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22A48X29120 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-42-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.42]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g22A5fR30825 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:05:41 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020302020149.00ddbc50@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: living history in Oregon? In-Reply-To: <003401c1c0bb$b4557000$9596e50c@attbi.com> References: <200202200421.g1K4LGL24069@net.indra.com> <3C7471D5.E1CB7525@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:03:50 -0800 Status: RO Fur trade Living History? What are the dates on this? Is this the same period as the folks who do Rendezvous (ron-de-voo's)/Mountain Men stuff? Dragonwolfcat writes, in a message sent 04:54 PM 2/28/02 -0800: >Fort Vancouver is the one that Mickey was talking about--she says that Fort >Nisqually has more fun though. > >She wasn't aware of any others down that way though, other than talking to >the musuems and any other time frames of living history you might be >interested in. She's more interested in Fur Trade living history, although >we have grand conversations about textiles. > >jonnalyhn > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 04:38:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03296 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 04:38:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22AL2a01866; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22AL1X16480; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx.slumberland.org (mx.slumberland.org [216.162.201.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g22AK3X16141 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:20:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.162.201.13] (HELO [192.168.1.24]) by mx.slumberland.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.8b9d11) with ESMTP id S.0000846281 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 02:32:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: litlnemo@mx.slumberland.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Wendi Dunlap-Simpson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Satin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:30:51 -0800 Status: RO At 7:41 PM -0800 3/1/02, Cruiskeen wrote: >Was it Rokko fabrics on Fraser, - a few blocks over from the main Indian >shopping district at Main and 49th? Hm, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it had a more generic name. But it was right in that area. Darn, I can see the place in my mind... but I don't recall the street. -- -- Wendi *-----------------------+---------------------------------------+-------* \ Wendi Dunlap-Simpson | litlnemo at slumberland.seattle.wa.us | dear / / Seattle, Wash., USA | http://www.slumberland.seattle.wa.us | 23 \ *--"Somehow everything will be a little different than you thought"-----* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 07:48:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03838 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:48:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22DV1a06343; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 06:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22DV0X28320; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 06:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.99main.com (mail.99main.com [208.28.184.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22DUoX28271 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 06:30:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 99main.com (max4-165.99main.com [208.28.186.165]) by mail.99main.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/000116) with ESMTP id IAA00695 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C80D406.B2A2832A@99main.com> From: marilyn traber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD EBM-Compaq (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk?-1 References: <200202260130.RAA18461@gw.retro.com> <4.3.1.2.20020225204224.00e0b690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020226224731.00e20720@mail.frys.com> <001501c1bfc8$bc46b740$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:30:46 -0500 Status: RO And there are those of us on the list who hand make clothing in appropriate fabrics and colors for the particular time and place using the most stringent research they can find, and by hooking up with museum curators and archeologists that still get penalized for being SCA by other 'serious' historical costumers. margali member of the SCA 23 years and counting, and with the exception of cooking slops every garment made and worn accurate. I even carve bone and cast my own jewelry and pins for my roman, norse and scythian clothing. When I kept sheep, I took my wool and turned it into clothing using dye stuffs scrounged from my woods and scoured the wool with soap made from sheep fat and wood ash lye. I may lurk most of the time, but then again I don't know many people on any mailing list that commute 70 miles each way to work through a major metropolitan area, work a full day and still have to maintain hearth and home. -- ~~~~~ The Quote Starts Here: > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume > conversations lately geared toward SCA activities. I get so much out the > higher level, 'scholarly' type threads here, and I guess I just want to keep > it that way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 10:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04382 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:23:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22G5Ha10915; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:05:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22G50X05767; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22G4hX05512 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:04:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.126.c9f7538 (4426) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <126.c9f7538.29b25213@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy/Orange.. got me too To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.c9f7538.29b25213_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:04:35 EST Status: RO --part1_126.c9f7538.29b25213_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Line the rubber backed stuff with something like light weight cotton and make a cloak for rainy days Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? 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--part1_126.c9f7538.29b25213_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 10:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04396 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:26:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22G91a11046; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22G90X06839; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22G8VX06727 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:08:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.d0.232a3205 (4426) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:08:15 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk? Working at Fabric Store To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d0.232a3205.29b252ef_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:08:15 EST Status: RO --part1_d0.232a3205.29b252ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I made the mistake of working part time for a fabric store a few years back. My stash grew, but the bank account didn't. Working full time in a book store was even worse. I felt like one of those homeless people that sits with a sign saying they will work for food. I needed one that said I will work for books (or fabric), because that is pretty much the way it turned out. The craft store wasn't a good idea either. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_d0.232a3205.29b252ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I made the mistake of working part time for a fabric store a few years back.  My stash grew, but the bank account didn't.  Working full time in a book store was even worse.  I felt like one of those homeless people that sits with a sign saying they will work for food.  I needed one that said I will work for books (or fabric), because that is pretty much the way it turned out.  The craft store wasn't a good idea either.

Lalah
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--part1_d0.232a3205.29b252ef_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 10:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04471 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22GO1a11599; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22GO0X10522; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22GNIX10306 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:23:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.146] (pm5-146.eos.net [205.133.149.146]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21049 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:18:52 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203020511.g225B1X24613@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: silk question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:16:14 -0500 Status: RO Robin et al: I am going to get all these questions to my friend, but she doesn't check her email every day and so it might take a few days, even if I phone her (which I will). But in the meantime, I wanted to clarify something -- I didn't mean to say that people always wove with only two reeled fibers. That's the low end of what has been posited for the sheerest silk. Most silk at the time, I think she said, was thick. We were discussing how sheer it could be made without breaking (silk fibers are very strong, as most of you probably know, but they aren't unbreakable). I don't know what the upper end of numbers of cocoons per weaving thread was. I don't want to speculate any more when I can ask someone, so I'll stop there. But I have to say, I'm very curious about what garment this is that you're trying to recreate! Gail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 10:44:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04487 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:44:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22GR1a11763; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22GR0X11238; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22GQqX11175 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:26:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.146] (pm5-146.eos.net [205.133.149.146]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21464 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:22:25 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203020511.g225B1X24613@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: rubber-backed brocade Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:19:45 -0500 Status: RO I once talked with a woman whose Tudor-era skirt was made of a beautiful rubber-lined brocade. She told me that she made it because she loved the fabric, but that it was tough on machine needles and extremely hot to wear. She had a farthingale under it, so it didn't touch her skin (that's why she chose that particular garment to make), but it was hot nevertheless. Just an FYI for anyone thinking of using it. The only thing I've ever used it for was draping over camp stools to use as temporary seating. No sewing involved, and it looks nice, especially with velvet pillows on top. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 11:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04677 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:45:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22HS3a14379; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22HS0X26498; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22HRCX26308 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:27:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.123.ca5dd95 (4231) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:27:04 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <123.ca5dd95.29b26568@aol.com> Subject: [h-cost] cotton Satin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:27:04 EST Status: RO Someone on list gave a site that sells cotton satin. I'm down to my last 2 yards and will need more after I get back from GW. Would whoever sent in the site please send it in again? I cannot remember what the subject line was and I can't find it (along with a myriad of other things) here in Texas. Thanks, Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 12:05:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04729 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Hm1a15172; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Hm0X01668; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22HlwX01658 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:47:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.ea.23869a29 (4231) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Subject: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:47:51 EST Status: RO In a message dated 2/3/02 7:31:43 AM, margali@99main.com writes: << > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume conversations lately geared toward SCA activities. I get so much out the higher level, 'scholarly' type threads here, and I guess I just want to keep it that way. >> Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just chattier/more vocal. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 12:30:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04818 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:30:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22ID3a16517; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22ID0X08031; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22ICSX07931 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.172.46b5838 (16931) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <172.46b5838.29b27005@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_172.46b5838.29b27005_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:12:21 EST Status: RO --part1_172.46b5838.29b27005_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to SCA and have been doing 14th century, but am moving into Elizabethan now. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_172.46b5838.29b27005_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am new to SCA and have been doing 14th century, but am moving into Elizabethan now.  

Lalah
Never Give up, Never Surrender,
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Looking for a great gift?  Check out Beary Classy Bears at
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--part1_172.46b5838.29b27005_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 12:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04847 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:40:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22IN1a17003; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22IN0X10525; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22IMnX10489 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.157.9d0afc5 (4397) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <157.9d0afc5.29b2726c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:22:36 EST Status: RO hi--I'm Kathryn--- I've played with SCA almost 30 years, now--as well as with Faire in various groups, as well as Friends of the English Regency. I live in the Ventura , California area. My parents insist that I was grabbing for fabric, buttons and beads from my stroller at a VERY early age. I am a confirmed jewelry/embroidery/costumning junkie. Love costumning of all periods--but in particular 13th, 16th, Regency, and Edwardian. Have taught metal thread/bullion embroidery for 15 years--another side-line.Love to hear about 'more scholarly ' approaches to costumne and costumne research , as well:) We are all continuing to learn and 'hone our skills' no matter how long we have been at this:) I look forward to attending one of the Kalmazoo conferences one of these years. I notice that the over all 'consciousness' and quality of work appears to hve improved over the years in our local branch of SCA----as well as the other groups I've played in, through all the different costumning groups co-mingling more and sharing what they know. I think it's important that we continue to share with each other from our varying points of view---but be careful not to look down our noses at other groups. Everyone has to start somewhere! I have generally enjoyed many of the threads I've read on this list--but also been occasionaly a little dismayed when things have 'tangented' too far from the primary focus --costumning--- or deteriorated into snarking---which I feel is unproductive. Just my two cents--- Albra/Kathryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 13:23:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05012 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:23:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22J62a19122; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22J61X22459; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-4.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.23]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g1SC1W428426 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 05:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mel-rta3.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.153) by mel-rto4.wanadoo.fr; 28 Feb 2002 13:01:26 +0100 Received: from wanadoo.fr (193.250.153.5) by mel-rta3.wanadoo.fr; 28 Feb 2002 13:01:23 +0100 Message-ID: <3C7E1C03.6FA58DE8@wanadoo.fr> From: Patris MEALLIER X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lumieres@yahoogroups.com CC: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C7DFA23.AA5A29A9@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: [lumieres] metal lace Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: argad@wanadoo.fr List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:01:08 +0100 Status: RO Well... I've been on this website, which is from USA but it appears that the thread, and may be the lace also, comes from Germany... ...for those of us in Europe wouldn't it be simpler to find who the German producer is ? Incidentally I've found a metal lace producer in Lyon (France) which sent me some samples. But they haven't got the internet ! Patrice Meallier "Huchehault" http://pro.wanadoo.fr/huchehault/ Leif Drews a *crit : > Oh well......... forgot to add the adress....... sorry! > > http://www.cmtonline.com/~kplamp/ > > Bjarne > > -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 13:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05022 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22J71a19175; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22J71X22720; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g22J6MZ22558 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:06:22 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Message-ID: <20020302120622.B25756@net.indra.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:06:22 -0700 Status: RO On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:47:51PM -0500, LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. Whoops, this list has over 400 members. Hold on to your mailboxes, people. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 13:49:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05171 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:49:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22JW1a20705; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22JW0X00402; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g22JVaX29985 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:31:36 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16514 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2002 19:31:30 -0000 Received: from pd958fa10.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.88.250.16?) (217.88.250.16) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 19:31:30 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020302120622.B25756@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:31:27 +0100 Status: RO > On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 12:47:51PM -0500, LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: >> Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send >> in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. > > Whoops, this list has over 400 members. Hold on to your mailboxes, > people. What if we all sent our mail to the Lady Gryphon and she can summarize? That's how they do it on other lists :) BTW since I'm already taking up bandwith: I have been in the SCA for over 3 years now. This is what has gotten me into costuming. I have met more people very concerned about authenticity than not in the SCA. I like every period but have done most of my stuff around French and German 1350 though I am now trying my hand at Elizabethan renaissance around 1580. The dress I am making will be as close as I can make it to authentic taking my budget into account (which definitely already really hurts but it is for a very special occasion) Cassandra von Schwabing :) MKA Cassandra Greer :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 13:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05230 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:58:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Jf1a21140; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Jf0X03047; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ss2.simpleservers.com (ss2.simpleservers.com [208.220.169.254]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22JecX02915 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:40:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [24.60.38.19] (h080007969b19.ne.mediaone.net [24.60.38.19]) by ss2.simpleservers.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA00593 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:40:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200203021940.OAA00593@ss2.simpleservers.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Irene leNoir To: "H-Costume" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g22JecX02915 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:39:14 -0500 Status: RO >Everybody on list send in an e-mail Okay. :) >your affiliation SCA >preferred year Early to mid 15th century. >preferred activity I make my own garb, accessories, and some jewelry. I also occasionally make stuff for others. Jessica Clark SCA: Irène leNoir irene@loudzen.com www.loudzen.com/users/jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 14:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05307 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:03:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Jk1a21514; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Jk0X04517; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22JjXX04386 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:45:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.cc.76f070e (4012) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:45:22 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:45:22 EST Status: RO In a message dated 2/3/02 1:07:29 PM, eliz@indra.com writes: << Whoops, this list has over 400 members. Hold on to your mailboxes, people. >> Yes and taking into consideration that everyone won't write and it will probably take a month for those who do e-mail about it it's less than 10 extras per day. Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 14:27:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05382 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:27:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22KA1a22583; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22KA0X10468; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22K9vX10447 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:09:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.ca.76ed616 (3956) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:09:45 -0500 (EST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca.76ed616.29b28b89_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:09:45 EST Status: RO --part1_ca.76ed616.29b28b89_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get such a kick out of these threads. I joined the list for reference and technical advice from theatrical and other costuming professionals. I'm a theatrical costumer with about 12 years of experience, having been a seamstress since my teens. Always did the Halloween thing, until I discovered that if I jumped over to theater I could get paid and do it more than once a year! The era that really rang my bell was the 1920s, but I know do many others with just as much gusto (Cavalier, Italian Renaissance, etc etc). I joined the list while sitting at home after surgery in 1997 or thereabouts. Not absolutely sure if that came first, or just got me more active. Never done the SCA thing, but sometimes I wish I did. Oh yeah, I've never regretted being on this list. I have yet to be let down. You are all so giving of your time and knowledge. It is truly a privilige to be among you. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "See! How she leans her cheek upon her hand, O! That I were a glove upon that hand, That I might touch that cheek." Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare --part1_ca.76ed616.29b28b89_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get such a kick out of these threads.  I joined the list for reference and technical advice from theatrical and other costuming professionals.  I'm a theatrical costumer with about 12 years of experience, having been a seamstress since my teens.  Always did the Halloween thing, until I discovered that if I jumped over to theater I could get paid and do it more than once a year!  The era that really rang my bell was the 1920s, but I know do many others with just as much gusto (Cavalier, Italian Renaissance, etc etc). 

I joined the list while sitting at home after surgery in 1997 or thereabouts. Not absolutely sure if that came first, or just got me more active.  Never done the SCA thing, but sometimes I wish I did.

Oh yeah, I've never regretted being on this list.  I have yet to be let down. You are all so giving of your time and knowledge. It is truly a privilige to be among you.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
Theatrical Costume Design

"See! How she leans her cheek upon her hand,
O! That I were a glove upon that hand,
That I might touch that cheek."
Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare
 --part1_ca.76ed616.29b28b89_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 14:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05471 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:57:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Ke3a23806; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Ke0X18162; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22KdRX18051 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:39:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.44]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020302203926.LRUI22883.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:39:26 +0100 Message-ID: <3C813834.9F6C1438@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Why are you Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:38:12 +0100 Status: RO Hello I am Bjarne from Denmark. I have no connections to RCA, i dont even know what it is. The only reason i am here is because i am interrested in all kinds of discutions about making historical accurate costumes. It dont bather me wheather people on this list makes for SCA or other things as long as the topics are interresting wich they usually are. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:00:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05485 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:00:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Kh1a23939; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Kh1X18830; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Kg7X18619 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 18584651 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:48:35 -0500 Message-ID: <005d01c1c22a$adb1a500$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:41:49 -0600 Status: RO Hmmm...affiliation is Bristol Renn Faire patron and very recently SCA. I mostly do Elizabethan, 1580ish or so, middle class or upper merchant class (it's a tad bit more affordable!). I am dabbling with the idea of some earlier era - maybe 12th century or so - for easier clothing for the SCA stuff. And one of these days I'm going to make something out of The Voice of Fashion (late Victorian/Edwardian) that I bought two years ago! I tend to try to get as authentic as I can, or at least know what the authentic thing to do is, so I can fake it as close as possible :-) ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:21:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05579 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:21:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22L41a24872; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22L40X24286; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22L3HX24110 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from FABRICHOARDER@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.4e.76b15c8 (4188) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) From: FABRICHOARDER@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.76b15c8.29b2980e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4e.76b15c8.29b2980e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:03:10 EST Status: RO --part1_4e.76b15c8.29b2980e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit St. Louis Costumers' Guild/International Costumers' Guild, a little SCA, Imperium Antiquitus.... I do Tudor, Cockney, Roman...hope to do some early 17th century soon. I'm here to learn, discover books & websites, find cloth & trim sites. With a name like fabrichoarder, I'm in the right place! Ramona --part1_4e.76b15c8.29b2980e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit St. Louis Costumers' Guild/International Costumers' Guild, a little SCA, Imperium Antiquitus....

I do Tudor, Cockney, Roman...hope to do some early 17th century soon.  I'm here to learn, discover books & websites, find cloth & trim sites.

With a name like fabrichoarder, I'm in the right place!

Ramona --part1_4e.76b15c8.29b2980e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05593 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:25:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22L81a25129; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22L80X25364; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22L7VX25271 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:07:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-025.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.25]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94817D34 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:07:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C81419F.C57FF73@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:18:24 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I am a member of the SCA. But if I could find an other group specialized in 16th century (clothing or dancing) I would join them too. I really like to make and wear 16th century clothing. But I also like 15th century Italian clothing. Actually making this clothing and reseurching it is someting I do almost 24 ours a day ;-) Over two months I will have picktures of my wedding wich is offcourse in 16th century style... But now I have still a few meters of embroidery to doo ;-( Greetings, Deredere LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/02 7:31:43 AM, margali@99main.com writes: > > << > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume conversations lately geared toward > SCA activities. I get so much out the higher level, 'scholarly' type threads > here, and I guess I just want to keep it that way. >> > > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If > you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and > each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the > numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is > there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just > chattier/more vocal. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05594 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:25:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22L61a24989; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22L60X24812; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:06:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22L5ZX24710 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:05:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07754 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:23:10 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: silk question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:23:10 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > I don't want to speculate any more when I can ask someone, so I'll > stop there. But I have to say, I'm very curious about what garment > this is that you're trying to recreate! The outfit will be that of a noblewoman of the 12th century French court, and it is for a university French professor whose doctoral thesis was on costume reference in 12th century romance. In these romances, the noble heroes/heroines and royalty are typically described as wearing bliauts of silk. About all we know about "bliaut" from written contexts is that it is an overgarment worn by upperclass men and women. Although costume historians tend to apply the word "bliaut" to the cryptic garment seen on the sculptures of Chartres and a few other buildings of that period, we have no way to know if anyone in the 12th century called those particular garments "bliauts." Manuscript illuminations and other artwork tend to show a more believable/achievable overdress style, without the weird seams and pleatings/crinklings/whatever that you see on the statues. I think it is most likely that "bliaut" was a more generic term for overgown, which may have included the Chartres-style gowns as only one subset. In any case, it's reasonable to assume that if the Chartres overgown style existed, it was probably worn only by a small subset of people (e.g. royalty) and apparently occurred in a very small segment of place and time within the longer period and larger area in which the term "bliaut" was used. The bliaut is sometimes described in the romances as being worn over an undergown called a chainse, which is sometimes described as being of white linen, but probably is not the same as a chemise, and the white linen chainses in the literature may have been outliers -- that is, the author may have mentioned the white linen of a lady's chainse in certain cases because it was *different* from the norm, and thus an unusual characteristic that has significance to the depiction of the character. This is one example of a problem that often comes up when you try to use literary references as documentation for clothing, as descriptions of literary characters often mention *atypical*, not typical clothing -- and that's why the clothing is described, as listeners/readers would already know what was typical and would recognize the distinctions. The most often quoted source for such references in this period is Eunice Goddard's book on clothing references in 11th and 12th century French romances, but Goddard's goal was simply to catalog and collate mentions. In her analysis, she often fails to note the context of the references, so unless you are familiar with the romances already, you might not realize that a particular garment was associated only with, say, a fairy-woman or other supernatural creature. More than you wanted to know! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:28:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05603 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:28:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22LB1a25255; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22LB0X26112; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22LA2X25837 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id AFA246A0276; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:09:54 -0600 Message-ID: <003b01c1c22e$4d73bf80$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1C204.63A1F260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:07:44 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1C204.63A1F260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I joined h-costume in 1995 when I was a student in college. I was taking my first historic costume and art history classes. I want to learn more about Ancient Egyptian costume because I was struggling keeping all the kingdoms apart. The two classes were really confusing me with all the dates and names. I really found it fun to discuss what I was being taught in my classes with the members of h-costume. I have learned so much from the members on the list because so many people have different time frame interests. I also learned of so many resources to pull for my projects. H-costume was the first email list I was ever on. I like all eras of historic fashions. I kinda think of them in the same manner as my children... I love them all and it is hard to pick one as my favorite. My affiliation... I have been a member of Costume Society of America since 1996. I served as their webmaster for three years. I took a year off after that... I needed a break to develop my business. Now I am back again. Email list I am on... this one is long... ***fantasy ***vintage ***h-needlework ***tlhs (long hair email list) ***DC Webwomen (tech list for women in Wahington DC area) I own four email lists. Two are private lists. Public lists at yahoogroups: ***costumegallery (newsletter for my website) ***FilmCostumes Other lists that I am on at yahoogroups: ***19cWoman ***50sFashion ***Ballgownsect ***boys-costumes ***bustlesandbows ***Costume_Closet ***costumedc ***costumeinfo ***dldc (distance education list) ***elegancebeauty ***replicaclothing ***sewinghistoric ***sewretro ***sewvictorian ***VintageCouture Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1C204.63A1F260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I joined h-costume in 1995 when I was a student in college.  I = was=20 taking my first historic costume and art history classes.  I want = to learn=20 more about Ancient Egyptian costume because I was struggling keeping all = the=20 kingdoms apart.  The two classes were really confusing me with all = the=20 dates and names.  I really found it fun to discuss what I was being = taught in my classes with the members of h-costume.  I have = learned so=20 much from the members on the list because so many people have different = time=20 frame interests.  I also learned of so many resources to pull for = my=20 projects.  H-costume was the first email list I was ever on.
 
I like all eras of historic fashions.  I kinda think of = them in=20 the same manner as my children... I love them all and it is hard to pick = one as=20 my favorite.
 
My affiliation... I have been a member of Costume Society of = America since=20 1996.  I served as their webmaster for three years.  I took a=20 year off after that... I needed a break to develop my = business.  Now I=20 am back again.
 
Email list I am on... this one is long...
***fantasy
***vintage
***h-needlework
***tlhs (long hair email list)
***DC Webwomen (tech list for women in Wahington DC area)
 
I own four email lists.  Two are private lists.  Public = lists at=20 yahoogroups:
***costumegallery (newsletter for my website)
***FilmCostumes
 
Other lists that I am on at yahoogroups:
***19cWoman
***50sFashion
***Ballgownsect
***boys-costumes
***bustlesandbows
***Costume_Closet
***costumedc
***costumeinfo
***dldc (distance education list)
***elegancebeauty
***replicaclothing
***sewinghistoric
***sewretro
***sewvictorian
***VintageCouture
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
http://www.costumeclassroom.com<= /A>
  ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1C204.63A1F260-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:32:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05622 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:32:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22LF3a25461; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22LF2X27199; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22LEQX27040 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.44]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020302211425.IYPT16132.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:14:25 +0100 Message-ID: <3C814066.C2DB25A2@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you References: <3C813834.9F6C1438@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:13:10 +0100 Status: RO OOOOps, there you go. i said RCA, but i ment SCA....... Sorry Bjarne Leif Drews wrote: > Hello > I am Bjarne from Denmark. > I have no connections to RCA, i dont even know what it is. > The only reason i am here is because i am interrested in all kinds of > discutions about making historical accurate costumes. It dont bather me > wheather people on this list makes for SCA or other things as long as > the topics are interresting wich they usually are. > > Bjarne > > -- > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 15:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05698 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22La2a26324; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22La1X02895; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13508.mail.yahoo.com (web13508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g22LZGX02708 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:35:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020302213516.35172.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web13508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:35:16 PST From: Sheila To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200203022116.g22LG3X27503@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Why are you on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:35:16 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume I've been in the SCA for 7-years now, and like to focus on the 16c, both English and Italian. My fiancee is a Rector for the Tattershall School of Defense, and I also make all his clothes. A friend recommended this list as a more "educated" one for making clothes. Sheila Lady Turrel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 16:31:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05866 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:31:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22ME3a28152; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22ME1X13208; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22MDnX13149 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:13:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16hHlE-0001QA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:13:48 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Why are you on h-costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020302213516.35172.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:17:49 -0500 Status: RO I started out sewing as a kid, made only Halloween costumes for many years as sewing is not a cheap hobby and I cannot compete with the prices I see at Walmart. Then I discovered Renaissance Festivals, the SCA, and all these other groups I had no idea existed, and my descent into fabric stashaholicism started. I am fascinated by SCA-period (read 12-16th century for me, anyway) clothing, and pretty much everything except Regency styles. I have no place to wear most of this stuff, but that does not stop my collection of techniques. I am looking forward very much to being done with school (mid-life career change stuff) and actually having time to put into practice some of the tremendous amount I have learned from this list. -Megan McHugh -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sheila Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:35 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Why are you on h-costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume I've been in the SCA for 7-years now, and like to focus on the 16c, both English and Italian. My fiancee is a Rector for the Tattershall School of Defense, and I also make all his clothes. A friend recommended this list as a more "educated" one for making clothes. Sheila Lady Turrel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 16:46:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05908 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:46:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22MT2a28738; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22MT1X18130; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22MSJX17876 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:28:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p97-nas11.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.213.97]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA03310 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:28:15 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p97-nas11.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.213.97] claimed to be user Message-ID: <002901c1c239$6a3272a0$61d5adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020302120622.B25756@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:27:13 +1300 Status: RO > > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. Only fringe SCA, only been to a few events and probably will stay that way:). I'm a cross period person, 15thC "Flemish" 16thC german, 1800-1840s, 1870s-1880s mostly. I skip the crin years. I know people love them, I can't stand them. And I have to wear one in MAAN for a 4 1/2 week season, wah! michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 16:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05921 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:50:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22MX2a28900; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22MX1X19500; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g22MWsX19448 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:32:55 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 25537 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2002 22:32:48 -0000 Received: from pd958fa10.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.88.250.16?) (217.88.250.16) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 2 Mar 2002 22:32:48 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: silk question From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 23:32:45 +0100 Status: RO > About all we know about "bliaut" from written contexts is that it is an ...large snip > > The bliaut is sometimes described in the romances as being worn over an ..large snip... > > More than you wanted to know! On the contrary!!!! feed me more! yummy! Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 17:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06148 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:57:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Ne4a02297; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:40:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Ne1X12817; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22NdBX12464 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08568 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:56:49 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry Shaw: "Dress and Decoration of the Middle Ages" In-Reply-To: <3C809FB3.15048.16EFA5@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:56:49 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > I picked this book up from a book club a while back because > a) I'm a beginner, this is a book about middle ages dress, I'm buying it > b) it was cheap > c) it's got lots of pretty pictures. > > But.... written in the 1840s? > > Can I take any of those pretty pictures as being accurate, useful, or > anything else? As redrawings go, some of these are really quite good; Shaw is a more faithful copyist than some of his contemporaries. Some of the images have flaws, misreadings, or outright changes. In particular, he tends to lower the waist on women's clothing and increase the bustline to "improve" the figure. If you know the originals, you can distinguish the good from the not-so-good. But if you know the originals, why would you be using Shaw? At least he's pretty good about citing his sources. The best use is this: If you see something in here you like, you can then track down the original and work from that. If you don't know where to find the original, give a holler -- I could put my fingers on half of those images within 60 seconds on my own bookshelf, and I bet there are others on this list who could do the same. I can't speak for the text. I haven't read it carefully. I have seen another of Shaw's books that has such awful errors that I wouldn't trust any of his analysis of clothing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 18:05:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06181 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:05:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Nm2a02743; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Nm1X14753; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22NlPX14593 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:47:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12381 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:58:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8165FA.AA7EBC8D@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:53:31 -0800 Status: RO To LadyGryphon- h-cost for 13c, not into reenacting yet, primarily feast/picnic/archery activities; love Regency discussion (adore the dancing); appreciate discussion of 1840s, 1890s, 1910s 18c woman list for rendezvous activities and love of the georgian attire, prefer 1740s (picnic, dancing, tea activities) musketeer list for cavalier era (picnic/dancing), weaponry interest for husband LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 18:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06196 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:10:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g22Nr1a02984; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22Nr0X16048; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g22NqcX15851 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:52:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.175] (helo=[216.119.36.175]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16hJIq-0007QE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:52:37 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002901c1c239$6a3272a0$61d5adcb@user> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:49:06 -0800 Status: RO >>> Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list > send >>> in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred > activity. SCA & Ren Faire, but mainly SCA. I know that my excuse as far as the SCA is concerned is that it's virtually the only well-organized medieval reenactment group within reasonable driving distance. ::Soap Box Warning:: So, in many ways, it's the only creative outlet I have. It kinda rubs me the wrong way when people roll their eyes at the fact that I do SCA, as though it discredits my hardwork and research that I invest in my costumes. I hate that the SCA has such a stigma attached to it, but I can't deny that I do enjoy the variety that it has to offer. You definately get out of it what you put into it... Okay, you can have the soapbox back. :) Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 18:34:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06274 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:34:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g230H4a04085; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g230H1X22762; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g230GQX22644 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:16:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08743 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:34:04 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: silk question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:34:04 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Cassandra Greer wrote: > > About all we know about "bliaut" from written contexts is that it is an > ...large snip > > > > The bliaut is sometimes described in the romances as being worn over an > ..large snip... > > > > More than you wanted to know! > On the contrary!!!! feed me more! yummy! Oh, golly. The bliaut is a frequent topic of discussion on this list. Have you looked at the archives at ? I can point you to a few threads that address this topic that I happen to have saved notes on, as follows: Real & unreal - fold lines -- Oct 2000 Queen of Sheba bliaut (WAS Paris trip report) -- Jan 2001 Bliaut patterns/instructions -- Nov 2001 You can search for those by subject line, and you can probably find a lot more by searching subject lines just for the words "bliaut" or "12th century" or "Chartres." That should keep you busy for a little while ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 18:41:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06321 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:41:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g230O2a04386; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g230O1X24533; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f47.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g230NLX24356 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:23:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:23:15 -0800 Received: from 208.141.166.60 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:23:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.166.60] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 00:23:15.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C74DC70:01C1C249] Subject: [h-cost] Why I'm Here Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:23:15 -0700 Status: RO My main focus is 1840-1860, with short forays into 1880-1910; we do non-military impressions for American Civil War, westward migration (Oregon & Mormon Trail), etc. Occasionally I get an earlier or later project to work on, and having a multi-era list to throw things at is a huge help. I have only an academic interest in things before 1700, but enjoy the chats that get going about them. Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 19:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06496 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23132a06159; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23130X04777; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2312SX04624 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:02:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g230vOa03991 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007301c1c24f$eef62c00$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why I'm Here MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:08:25 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- Currently, my only outlet as far as costume making is the SCA--my primary period of interest is England, from the Conquest through the 14th century, with the focus on the 13th century. However, I've studied several other periods in some depth, including 16th century/Elizabethan, Norse, Rus', and migrations period Europe (Germanic tribes). I was at one time involved in ECW reenacting, but haven't been lately. I have at least a passing interest in several other periods, including Regency and 1920s-1940s. For costume research, I'm currently interested in clerical/monastic clothing, with the focus being the 13th century since that's the sources I know best. I have a doctorate in medieval history with a focus on the same period, but am not working in academia. Susan (SCA Nicolaa de Bracton) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 20:48:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06783 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:48:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g232V3a09472; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g232V0X25725; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g232UZX25632 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:30:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-2ivfokt.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.226.157]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16hLlh-0005JO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:30:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:57:21 -0800 Status: RO At 8:01 PM -0500 3/1/02, LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/3/02 6:57:56 PM, claning@igc.org writes: > ><< The effect was enhanced by the fact that her farthingale hoops were too >big and she wore them straight from her waist -- no bumroll. >> > >I saw something similar at Scarborough a couple of years ago. She was in the >lasies room complaining that her hoops showed (at least she noticed, most >don't). I told her I could fix it, dove upnder her skirt and reduced her >hoops to a reasonable amount. The hoops disappeared and she went out with a >smile. >Lady G That does help. I see far too many ladies in Elizabethans whose hoops show -- usually due to not enough layers between the hoops and the gown, or else not enough yardage in the outermost skirt. In my experience you need at least 2 layers in between and twice as much circumference in the skirt as in the farthingale. The most conspicuous area is usually the front, since a lot of people wear a forepart to the skirt that's lighter weight than the rest of the skirt. Fortunately I have an industrial-strength stiffened forepart with a layer of denim in it (thanks, Margo! ), which pretty much eliminates *that* problem. Five yards of medium-weight wool and a heavy petticoat over the hoops take care of the rest of it. I almost think this is the most common problem with women who don't have a lot of experience or information with Elizabethan clothing. Running a close second is having the skirts too short. I see entirely too many nice Elizabethans where the gorgeous red-and-gold brocade stops a good 3 to 4 inches above the floor. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 21:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06986 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:30:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g233D5a11096; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:13:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233D1X05439; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g233CrX05402 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:12:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 19259 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 03:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO inetone.net) (206.105.173.234) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 03:12:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3C8195BF.392A4E41@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: <005d01c1c22a$adb1a500$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:17:19 -0500 Status: RO Hi, I'm Diana . I joined the list to learn what I could about historical clothing. My intestest is Renaissance faires and the period clothing for the time from 1500's to mid 1600's. I want to make clothing as close to historially correct as I can. I make anything from peasent to nobles for myself and friends. As a newbie to all this I tend to read more then post. I ask questions when I don't understand or need help. I don't feel I have enough knowledge in anything to contribute worth while comments or suggestions. Diana Aka Dhannti _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 21:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07008 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:37:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g233K1a11393; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233K0X07210; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.ala.net (mail.ala.net [204.251.239.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g233JpX07176 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:19:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 68597 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2002 03:19:50 -0000 Received: from 198-77-238-41.ala.net (HELO jchancey) (198.77.238.41) by mail.ala.net with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 03:19:50 -0000 Message-ID: <179401c1c25b$2642a980$b6bffea9@jchancey> From: "Jennie Chancey" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:28:47 -0500 Status: RO I'm on this list because there are such a great variety of interests and time periods represented -- and there is a wealth of knowledge constantly pouring into the list. I think I have learned more here in four years (has it been four?) than I had learned previously on my own. The list has opened up so many avenues of discussion (everything from portraiture to construction techniques and more). My favorite periods are the Regency (my "specialty") and the Edwardian/Teens. I'm one of those crazy people who actually wears this stuff on a regular basis to the grocery store. I don't have a lot of patience with ugliness in fashion and just refuse to wait for the rest of the world to catch up (or is it "regress?")! LOL! My husband, three boys and I do 1812 and ACW reenacting here in Alabama and hope to get into some Colonial reenacting in the future. We are both lifelong history nuts and really enjoy the details of the periods we've studied. That and English Lit (my major in college) have really contributed to my passion for historic costume. So many great folks on the list from all around the world! It is nice to be among kindred spirits. :-) Cheers, Jennie Chancey - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sense and Sensibility Clothing and Patterns http://www.sensibility.com winsome clothing with an old-fashioned appeal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 22:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07188 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:04:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g233l2a12379; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233l0X12882; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233kdX12815 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:46:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.72]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSDP5K00.1WF for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:46:32 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-144.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.144]) by PSMAM02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 74/4271414); 03 Mar 2002 13:46:32 Message-ID: <3C82A9F9.26B0B9AF@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:55:53 -0800 Status: RO LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If > you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and > each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the > numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is > there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just > chattier/more vocal. Also an SCA person, now in my eighth year (has it been that long already?). I've also belonged to other groups and hang around the fringes of a folk dance group for the occasional historic dances they have, which are currently my only excuses for wearing costume outside SCA period. My favourite period is the 15th century but my wardrobe has stuff from Roman through to the 1780s (but the folk dance group is having an Austen ball in a couple of months and I recently acquired some nice dark blue spotted cotton so that may get pushed up a few years....) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 22:06:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07201 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:06:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g233n1a12413; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233n0X13263; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233mMX13141 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:48:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a245.in-tch.com [66.62.107.45]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g233Z4H11609 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:35:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C819DC9.6AFB4D98@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:51:37 -0700 Status: RO Okey-doke....here goes Sue, babbling on.... I'm on this list because it's *not* the SCA. It's my relief from it...not that I don't enjoy it, really I do, but I like other things as well, and there are _no_ other reenactment/recreation groups in the _state_ that I'm aware of. This is my place to learn, and experiment, and drool in awe at people's work (I'd just _die_ for something of Bjarne's for instance ;-D) I get that in the SCA, too, but this is *different*, and I cherish that. My primary areas of knowledge/practice are 16th century monochrome embroidery and English (Tudor/Elizabethan) women's clothing. Robin's seen my blackwork *snort*, so she can vouch for how crazy I am about that..... But, I've been having the time of my life learning about, and being tempted by, everybody else's areas of interest, especially ECW/Restoration, American Colonial, and Victorian/Edwardian (I'm pretty vague about the latter because I don't know much about it, but there's a lot of it I'd like to play with ). And I've been taking Ben's classes on early and middle Anglo-Saxon clothing, along with a *whole* lotta others through Penny's website (just ask her...she makes jokes about it, sometimes ) I think the thing I like most about this list is how passionate and involved we all are in our various areas of interest, whether we specialize in theatrical costuming, or adore movies, or do costume/SciFi cons, or any one of the dozens of historical groups I've become aware of through this list....And we're all over the world, which is completely cool.... Oh, and last but far from least, it is a purely spiritual, mental, and almost physical joy to have a chance to rub elbows with actual scholarly types....like Robin, or Ben, or Drea, or any of the wonderful teachers from Penny's website (and Penny, too), and everyone else that I'm drawing a complete bloody blank on [okay, so it's Saturday night, and I left my brain in my desk drawer at work ]....You guys challenge me, and that's a blessing. Thank you. --Sue (old, used SCA laurel) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 22:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07226 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:10:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g233r1a12519; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233r0X14153; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:53:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g233qOX14033 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:52:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [207.206.136.121] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.8) with ESMTP id 48673112 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:52:18 -0600 Message-ID: <3C819F0E.4090208@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:57:02 -0600 Status: RO LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: >Everybody on list send >in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If >you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and >each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the >numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is >there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just >chattier/more vocal. > I used to do SCA, but moved away from it about 10 years ago. With my experience there, though, I understand the context that many questions asked come from. Since I switched my involvement from the SCA to the International Costumer's Guild, I have expanded my range of interests considerably (part of why I left SCA in the first place). I can't claim a favorite time; I prefer to challenge myself with every new project I do. There are outfits I did not think myself capable of doing, or suitable for my body type, that I know look forward to making. I accept that my depth of knowledge isn't, and probably won't ever be, at the same level as many of you; that's my choice - to be a good dabbler rather than a great specialist. I am on the h-needlework list as well as the following yahoogroups: ICG-D - International Costumer's Guild HistoricKnit - self-explanatory Apicius - for people interested in cooking/recipes through time Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 22:45:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07332 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:45:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g234S2a13806; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g234S0X23080; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g234RLX22937 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:27:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.72]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSDR1E00.54Y for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:27:14 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-144.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.144]) by PSMAM02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 74/4299345); 03 Mar 2002 14:27:14 Message-ID: <3C82B384.B77AB078@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A pot to ... in References: <50541CE7088@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:36:36 -0800 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > > Ironing 5m of fabric is tedious to say the least. > > Yep - I often put some music on, or iron in front of a few episodes > of Buffy on video or DVD. > > > Hence I usually try to avoid pre-washing where possible. > > Nothing could persuade me to do that - I prefer the security of > knowing my fabric has been wash-abused and shrunk *before* I > take the time to make it up - thatway whatever I make can be > thrown in the machine and washed whenever it needs it instead of > waiting for me to jfeel rich enough to afford drycleaning bills. > I can't say I've ever had any serious shrinkage accidents. Mind you I make most of my stuff so that it doesn't need to be washed, and the under layers are mostly linen, which doesn't seem to shrink much, and loose which doesn't matter if they do. I always wash on cold anyway. That probably helps. The most troubles I've had when washing have been when some friendly person has decided to help out with washing and thrown hand-wash only stuff into the washer, or washed on warm stuff which has only ever been washed on cold. > > > Is there a clever way around this? Or is it yet another of the joys > > of a front-loader? > > Nope, i think Ironing is a universal drudge-chore no matter where > your washer loads from.... Hmmm, probably why I rarely ever do it. And it's hot work too, which is all the more reason (in my books) to avoid it (says she who just spent two days straight cooking). Mostly I think I'm just lazy....:-) Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 2 23:23:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07434 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:23:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23564a15402; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:06:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23561X01535; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2355eX01449 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:05:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.140.85]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020303050534.LAIT13933.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 05:05:34 +0000 Message-ID: <3C81B06B.44023C98@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:11:07 -0500 Status: RO Hi, my name is Crissy and I 'm a costume junkie. I do belong to the SCA and I enjoy the ability to be a little *different* in my garb. Like a well fitted period outfit in a periodoid-type fabric.....Now mind you... I fit everything quite well, and the lines of the garments are usually close to correct. I just like to use bright colors....it's an addiction. I also love corsets and I'm making a Victorian corset off the laughing moon pattern. I also go to visit a local Civ war event each year...and go shopping..... Now my Mother does costumes for the local Opera company, so we discuss a wide range of time periods between us. I't really funny when we go fabric shopping together and one of us will hold up a bolt of fabric and squeal..."OOOhhh , look wouldn't this make a GREAT ( insert costume piece here) " Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 01:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07859 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:14:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g236v3a18762; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g236v1X26080; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from priv-edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g236uBX25755 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:56:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pauldes ([64.180.65.71]) by priv-edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with SMTP id <20020303065605.TFEI4620.priv-edtnes15-hme0.telusplanet.net@pauldes> for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:56:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c1c280$7bdd7d00$4741b440@pauldes> From: "Desamona Villani" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:56:02 -0800 Status: RO I am affliated with the SCA, and I do Elizabethan, Late Italian, and German Renn. Basically anything after 1500-1650. I also like the Dangerous Liasions era of clothing... 1750--1785, but am not affliated with any groups of that era as I don't live close enough to get to anything like that on any kind of basis. Brandy Dickson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 01:42:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07943 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:42:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g237P2a19547; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g237P0X02128; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f20.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g237OwX02114 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:24:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:24:52 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.14 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:24:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.14] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 07:24:52.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[82A15F90:01C1C284] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 23:24:52 -0800 Status: RO affiliation,--SCA, life in general preferred year,--Almost all of them pre-1940 preferred activity.--Wearing wonderful, unique, me kind of clothes. I have only been on this list for about a year and a half, but I find it's one of the things I look forward to every day. It's like a recharger for my creative batteries when the rest of the world wants to grow up. I will NEVER stop playing dress-up and I will never stop learning more about how to make the things I dream become reality. God blessed me with a natural ability to sew and all of you have blessed me with the ability to do it Right!! I think there is a lot of value in passing on our knowledge whatever level it is at. Sometimes people ask questions and I even know the answers, so everyone has something to contribute as well as something to learn. This week I slip out of historical mode and have six days to make a crossdyed taffetta gown for the "company formal" this year. The beads and Venice lace still haven't arrived and I may have to debut before it's finished, but this one is just because I can so it's purple, full, and has a reinforced huge trained hem. I get to float around all evening looking "smashing". Who could ask for more? Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 02:55:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08144 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 02:55:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g238c3a21114; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:38:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g238c1X17353; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g238b4X17201 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (nic-245-c41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28]) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g238brb04738 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 03:37:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020303023655.00a55910@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 02:40:35 -0600 Status: RO At 12:47 PM 3/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/3/02 7:31:43 AM, margali@99main.com writes: > ><< > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume conversations lately geared toward >SCA activities. I get so much out the higher level, 'scholarly' type threads >here, and I guess I just want to keep it that way. >> > >Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send >in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If >you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and >each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the >numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is >there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just >chattier/more vocal. >Lady G Good question Lady G. Well, here goes... I've been historical-clothing obsessed most of my life and got into the SCA about 14 yrs ago to have an excuse to make some of the stuff. My specialty is 16th c. English but, I also am interested in the 16th c. in a lot of other places, 15th c, 17th c, 18th c, 19th c, first half 20th c... you get the idea... : ) I want to try playing/reenacting with other times & groups but haven't had time to pursue that right now... (the joys of being a grad student). Cheers, Danielle (SCA Gwendoline Rosamond) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 03:09:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08182 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 03:09:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g238q2a21402; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g238q1X20233; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f174.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.174]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g238pHX20100 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:51:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:51:11 -0800 Received: from 63.12.15.8 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:51:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.15.8] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 08:51:11.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[91C28C90:01C1C290] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 19:21:11 +1030 Status: RO
I'm on the list because I love history, not the political or religious stuff but the day to day lives of all classes. My favourite pediods are 1400 - 1900, although all I've made so far is Gothic, Roman and several Italian Renaissance gowns, I'm planning some Elizabethan and Tudor gowns for this year (If I can afford the fabric!).
I've been part of a Living History group (ancient to 1800) for a couple of years.
I want to go to University to study history.
I love this list because if someone has a question all they have to do is send it in and responses come pouring out. It's a great help to know that you have the minds of so many great costumers to pick.
 
Rebecca Anderson
aka
Lady Adele Anders
 
P.S 
You wrote : From: "Jennie Chancey" <jchancey@ala.net>
" I'm one of those crazy people who actually wears this stuff
on a regular basis to the grocery store. I don't have a lot of patience with
ugliness in fashion and just refuse to wait for the rest of the world to
catch up (or is it "regress?")! LOL!"
Me too, me too!
you get a lot of strange looks, but its a great conversation starter.

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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 08:06:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09354 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:06:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Dn3a27907; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 06:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Dn1X01141; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 06:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (sproxy.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g23DmEX00996 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 06:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 12094 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2002 13:48:07 -0000 Received: from p50800d0d.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.13.13?) (80.128.13.13) by mail.gmx.net (mp016-rz3) with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 13:48:07 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: silk question From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:48:07 +0100 Status: RO HI Robin! >>> More than you wanted to know! >> On the contrary!!!! feed me more! yummy! > Oh, golly. The bliaut is a frequent topic of discussion on this list. Have > you looked at the archives at ? > I can point you to a few threads that address this topic that I > happen to have saved notes on, as follows: > > Real & unreal - fold lines -- Oct 2000 > Queen of Sheba bliaut (WAS Paris trip report) -- Jan 2001 > Bliaut patterns/instructions -- Nov 2001 > > You can search for those by subject line, and you can probably find a lot > more by searching subject lines just for the words "bliaut" or "12th > century" or "Chartres." > > That should keep you busy for a little while ;-) Thank you for the tip! I just joined the list last week and am starting to get a feel for what's here! Thanks again! Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 09:31:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09670 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:31:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23FE7a00363; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23FE1X19840; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23FDEX19665 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:13:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust201.tnt3.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.112.201] helo=hppav) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16hXfi-0008An-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c1c2c6$3e141060$c970e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Sueded silk? Working at Fabric Store Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:15:22 -0600 Status: RO Hey Lalah, I know what you mean. Its a toss up here as to whether the fabric or the books will take over the house. Never worked at a book store, probably never would have a paycheck if I did. ;> Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 09:42:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09716 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:42:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23FP1a00738; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23FP0X22690; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23FOwX22673 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust201.tnt3.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.112.201] helo=hppav) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16hXr6-0005kz-00; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: <003401c1c2c7$e2784da0$c970e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:27:08 -0600 Status: RO I'm a member of the St Louis Costumer's Guild. Never had much chance to get into SCA or other historical costuming. Another member of SLCG and on this list Karen Heim got me interested enough to subscribe to this and h-needlework. I've been to two Costume Con's and helped run CC16 a few years ago. I sew, of course, and have done one or two masquerade presenttations with the group..Time and finances kepp me from doing much more. The postings on these two list are always informative_and_entertaining (thanks Bjarne and Teddy). Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 10:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13968 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:37:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23GK6a02758; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:20:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23GK0X05211; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23GJHX05068 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:19:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from att.net ([12.77.144.49]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020303161911.PLSB11747.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:19:11 +0000 Message-ID: <3C824E3C.E1B4A779@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk? Working at Fabric Store References: <002801c1c2c6$3e141060$c970e541@hppav> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 11:24:28 -0500 Status: RO Paycheck? You mean you're supposed to bring them HOME???? And not trade your services in the store for more fabric???? Oooops! I guess I've been doing it wrong all these years.... Crissy, Assistant Manager, Jo-Ann Fabrics. Genie wrote: > Hey Lalah, > > I know what you mean. Its a toss up here as to whether the fabric or the > books will take over the house. Never worked at a book store, probably > never would have a paycheck if I did. ;> > > Genie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 10:42:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14015 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:42:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23GP1a03105; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23GP0X06628; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:25:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23GOGX06432 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11867 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:41:57 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:41:57 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > Everybody on list send in an e-mail listing your affiliation... None, if you mean groups to "play" in. I research medieval costume, and I lecture for various audiences on request, including SCA groups, writer's organizations, college classes, etc. I also lecture for academic conferences in medieval studies, particularly the annual Medieval Congress at Kalamazoo, where I organize a track of textile/dress sessions annually and give papers roughly every other year. Because I focus on medieval costume and speak for SCA groups, people who know me only online usually assume I'm in the SCA. I was, when I was in college, but I have not been active for nearly 20 years. I am still in close touch with many of my onetime SCA friends, some of whom are still active. > preferred year... 11th through 15th centuries, mostly France/Flanders/England, though I stray a bit sometimes. > preferred activity. I study not just practical construction, but also the use of costume in artwork, with an eye to distinguishing the differences between real and symbolic elements. I also study the development of medieval costume scholarship over the last couple of centuries, mostly as a means to track down the origins of questionable theories. Because my focus isn't specifically on making things to wear, I don't always sew the clothing I study; some of my best research has been on clothing that never existed. What I sew, I don't always finish, particularly if my interest is testing a construction method. Once I've figured out the cut, I am not terribly interested in trims, decoration, accessories. (Though I greatly admire people who can embroider, make lace, or do other such embellishment. I have no patience for doing this myself.) I love this list -- I have met so many people with so many specialties. There are a lot of areas I know I'm weak in, and it's great to know that I can toss out a question to this group and almost always find *someone* who has studied it already. I've also made some good friends through this list. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 10:59:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14097 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:59:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Gg2a03869; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Gg1X10977; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9801.mail.yahoo.com (web9801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.211]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g23Gf7X10683 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:41:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020303164106.77585.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.188] by web9801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:41:06 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Why are you on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:41:06 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I've sewn most of my life and have always loved to play dress-up (you'd think I'd outgrow that...). Anyway, I'm in the SCA; I went to my first event in Germany 12 years ago and was bitten by the costuming bug (nasty little thing--there's no cure and treatment is *very* expensive!!). :-D I love 16th century Italian clothing--it's what I wear most of the time. I'm learning about Tudor and the Cranach-style German gowns because I have friends who want gowns like them (gonna learn and then teach them how to make them...). Authenticity is something that's very important to me. When I'm teaching someone to sew, I try to gently nudge that person in the direction of making their garment as authentic as possible. It's amazing to see when they realize that being more authentic doesn't have to cost lots more and doesn't always take more time. The H-Costume list is great! I've my own archive of postings from the list that numbers over 1,000. One of these days (in my copius amounts of spare time) I'll organize them, print them and put them into a binder. Kate known in the SCA as THL Ailith Mackintosh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 13:36:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14871 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:36:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23JJ4a10507; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23JJ1X19306; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23JJ0X19301 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-82.frys.com [66.121.20.82]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g23JKaR15772 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:20:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020302131444.00e4ec70@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk?-1 In-Reply-To: <3C80D406.B2A2832A@99main.com> References: <200202260130.RAA18461@gw.retro.com> <4.3.1.2.20020225204224.00e0b690@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020226224731.00e20720@mail.frys.com> <001501c1bfc8$bc46b740$e6880a44@hr.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:59:59 -0800 Status: RO I would never penalize anyone for being SCA. Or for not being SCA, for that matter. The fact that SCA costume standards are notoriously lax does not imply that every member agrees with those standards. I don't, tho I understand why some do. (For example, I have low standards for the periodness of the SCA food I eat and high ones for the SCA clothes I wear, feast-wench slops included, but you say your cooking slops are the least period of all your SCA garments, while your cooking is likely to come with footnotes and awards.) There are 'serious' historical costumers, and very-non-serious ones, in every costume-wearing historical group. OTOH, I live in Northern California, and I know sheep-owner/spinner/weaver/knitter/natural-dyer/garment-maker people who do no living history at all. BTW, I used to have a commute like yours. When I lived in Southern California (joined the SCA in 1971), I had one job where my husband and I lived in San Diego, a major metropolitan area, and I worked in Anaheim, in another major metropolitan area, 90 miles away. My deepest sympathies and sincere commiseration. >And there are those of us on the list who hand make clothing in >appropriate fabrics and colors for the particular time and place >using the most stringent research they can find, and by hooking >up with museum curators and archeologists that still get >penalized for being SCA by other 'serious' historical costumers. >margali >member of the SCA 23 years and counting, and with the exception >of cooking slops every garment made and worn accurate. I even >carve bone and cast my own jewelry and pins for my roman, norse >and scythian clothing. When I kept sheep, I took my wool and >turned it into clothing using dye stuffs scrounged from my woods >and scoured the wool with soap made from sheep fat and wood ash >lye. I may lurk most of the time, but then again I don't know >many people on any mailing list that commute 70 miles each way to >work through a major metropolitan area, work a full day and still >have to maintain hearth and home. > >-- >~~~~~ >The Quote Starts Here: > > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume > > conversations lately geared toward SCA activities. I get so much out the > > higher level, 'scholarly' type threads here, and I guess I just want to > keep > > it that way. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 13:38:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14886 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:38:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23JL2a10609; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23JL1X19889; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23JJ2X19308 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-82.frys.com [66.121.20.82]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g23JKcR15776 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:20:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020302140422.00e4e750@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:24:34 -0800 Status: RO >Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send >in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. This reply just ate an hour and a half, so my first pass is what you get. Where there is no group affiliation it means I am still looking for a group, so I have to wear the clothes whenever I can. I'm on h-costume because it's got an amazing collection of costumers, who know tons of stuff I don't and will answer questions if I ask nice. SCA (since 1971); interest (mostly) in German/Eastern Europe costumes 1400-1600 and in making things for the total slice-of-life look, from furniture to lighting to wall hangings to tools, dishes, embroidery and needlework, and 'moveables'. Renaissance Faire (since 1974); interest in costumes (German, English), living history (and props for), knitting, needlework and embroidery, crafts, manners. Georgian (since 1976), no group; interest in the clothes and manners. English Regency (since 1983), various groups; interest in costumes, embroidery and needlework, dancing. California Gold Rush/late 1840's (since 1996), no group; interest in costumes, California history, living history (and props for), displaced Californios. Victorian/1840-60 (since 1982 or 83), Dickens' Faire; interest in costumes and living history (and props for), accents, manners, dancing, embroidery and needlework, crochet. Victorian/1860-65 (since 1978), looking for ACW groups; interest in costumes, living history (and props for). Victorian/1880's (since 1995), trying to contact Wild West groups; interest in costumes, Montana Territory/State history, living history (and props for), women's rights movements. Victorian/1890-1910 (since 1975+), various living history sites and events; interest in costumes, docent work (and props for), Craftsman needlework and architecture. 1920-24, (since 1990) no group; interest in costuming and needlework. PEERS/any period (since 1996); interest costumes and dancing. Gaskell Ocasional Dance Society/"formal, 19th and 20th century" (since 1980); interest costumes and dancing. Early 1950's-60's (since 1990), no group; interest in costumes, dancing Late 1960's-early 70's (since 1974), no group; interest in costumes, Hippie needle-crafts, beginnings of fibre art, alternative architecture. Ethnic (since late 60's), no group; interest in Central Asia/1800+, costumes, embroidery, jewelry, ikat, Amur applique China/1800+, costume, embroidery, cloisonne Eastern Europe and Balkans/1800+, costumes and embroidery Egypt/Coptic, costume, weaving India/1800+, costumes, decorated fabric, embroidery Japan/1500+, costume, decorated fabric, Ainu costume and needlework Pacific Northwest native people/1800+, costumes, weaving, wood-work, design, silver-work Palestine/1800+, costumes, embroidery, cross stitch Russia/1500 to Revolution, costume and embroidery West Africa/1600+, costumes, decorated fabric, European trade beads I'm also interested in future costuming as seen thru the eyes of years in the past, like a 1900 speculation on what people might be wearing in 1950, or that Space Age stuff Coureges was doing in the late 60's and the Pan Am stewardesses in the film '2001'. Group - science fiction or costume conventions. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 14:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15108 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:27:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23KA2a12797; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KA1X03553; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f113.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.113]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23K9RX03412 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:09:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:09:22 -0800 Received: from 66.76.42.248 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:09:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.76.42.248] From: "Jennifer Thompson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 20:09:22.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F123490:01C1C2EF] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:09:22 Status: RO My name is Jennifer Thompson, and my main focus at the moment is on late 15th c. and 16th, century costume. I'm currently obsessed with Florentine fashions, but I am also interested in Flemish, Spanish, and German dress. I love research and the more scholarly aspects of historical costume, and although my sewing skills aren't as good as they should be, I'm trying to learn as I go. I am not affiliated with any organization, but I would like to get involved with a good, authenticity-minded re-enactment group if I ever live closer to a real city. For the moment, I just wear my costumes to the Renaissance festivals here in Texas, but we live too far from them to go as often as I would like. So sometimes I just wear my garb around the house and give the UPS man quite a surprise when he comes knocking on my door! ;-) -jen http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 14:33:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15133 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:33:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23KG2a13002; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KG1X05040; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe115.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KF8X04813 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:15:02 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [63.22.118.203] From: "kimberly dery" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1C387.3D70F9E0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2002 20:15:02.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[19FDAF40:01C1C2F0] Subject: [h-cost] why am I on H-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:16:56 -0600 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1C387.3D70F9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I must admit that I do play in the SCA; however I also like th= e Boroque, Victorian and the Edwardian periods. 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Hello all, I m= ust admit that I do play in the SCA; however I also like the Boroque, Vic= torian and the Edwardian periods. Basically anything that has "nummy= " fabrics and a hoop and makes me feel "pretty"! I am a nurse mundan= ely and I have to be practical with my clothing. I enjoy this list becaus= e it gives me info from people who have far more experience in sewin= g and costuming than I could ever hope to accumulate elsewhere.  Tha= nks Guys!    kim  

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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C1C387.3D70F9E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 14:36:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15157 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23KJ2a13117; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KJ0X05892; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KILX05687 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:18:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p139.directcon.net [209.233.107.139]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15291; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:18:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020303112150.00830d80@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] make your own shoes? In-Reply-To: <200202112008.g1BK8cm13628@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 11:21:50 -0800 Status: RO At 12:08 PM 02/11/2002 -0800, Heather Meadows wrote: > > >Has anyone read -- or used - this book? > >http://www.marywalesloomis.com > I have! If you want to make variations on modern high heeled pumps, it's great. If you're looking for techniques to make pre 16th century shoes, or soft flat slippers or boots, it won't do you much good. She has you make a plaster cast of your feet to use as a last, so it's good for people with funny shaped feet. Her technique is actually modified from millinery methods, stretching buckram and fabric over the last. You still need to buy, or salvage, heels and hardware like nails, braces, etc. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 14:54:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15218 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:54:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Kb2a13742; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Kb1X10585; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KajX10530 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:36:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (ppp-66-121-20-132.frys.com [66.121.20.132]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g23KcLR17652 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:38:21 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020303112456.00bf6630@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: References: <002901c1c239$6a3272a0$61d5adcb@user> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] the SCA :) and other costume groups :) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:08:21 -0800 Status: RO >::Soap Box Warning:: >So, in many ways, it's the only creative outlet I have. It kinda rubs me >the wrong way when people roll their eyes at the fact that I do SCA, as >though it discredits my hardwork and research that I invest in my costumes. >I hate that the SCA has such a stigma attached to it, but I can't deny that >I do enjoy the variety that it has to offer. You definately get out of it >what you put into it... I totally agree with your last sentence quoted above. The SCA has the costume standards it has because it was not originally set up as a historical-re-enactment group like, for example, the black powder groups. It was originally a bunch of Hippies and Tolkein-readers protesting the 20th century, and having a Medieval farewell party for someone (writer Dianne Paxton) going away to the Peace Corps. Over time 'real' historians joined (and then some without the need for quotation marks), and the general level of costuming, and everything else, went up. The problem is that the reputation stayed, and there's no fast/easy way to change it. That the SCA isn't completely written off as 'just a costume party' is because of the people who really care about whatever their field of Medieval study is, and who maintain their own high standards. That it still has its not-serious/party reputation is because of the folks who mostly just want to dress up and go there. I know several of the original members, Ms. Paxton included, and costume scholarship just isn't their field. I joined the SCA in it's fourth year of existence, and already there were members like myself who thought the usual costume level was pretty boring. We all did what we could, by example and by teaching, along with the cooks and other crafters who cared more about their fields than about ours. Things did get better. It's easier to dress well in the SCA now than it was 31 years ago, if only because there are more books, patterns, research, pro costumers, and serious scholars now than there were then. (The same goes for cooking and the other period crafts.) The cure for my own impatience with SCA costuming was to branch out into other centuries, and other groups, where costuming was as important to them as it was to me. That's probably the real reason I joined h-costume. No matter how well the people in this group costume, and no matter why they do it, the costuming they do is as important to them as it is to me. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 14:55:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15225 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:55:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Kc1a13775; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Kc0X10880; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:38:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g23KbhX10796 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18247 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 2002 20:37:37 -0000 Received: from pd958fa06.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.88.250.6?) (217.88.250.6) by mail.gmx.net (mp011-rz3) with SMTP; 3 Mar 2002 20:37:37 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020302140422.00e4e750@mail.frys.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:37:37 +0100 Status: RO Mmm, do you ever sleep? Cass :) > This reply just ate an hour and a half, so my first pass is what you > get. Where there is no group affiliation it means I am still looking for a > group, so I have to wear the clothes whenever I can. I'm on h-costume > because it's got an amazing collection of costumers, who know tons of stuff > I don't and will answer questions if I ask nice. > > SCA (since 1971); interest (mostly) in German/Eastern Europe costumes > 1400-1600 and in making things for the total slice-of-life look, from > furniture to lighting to wall hangings to tools, dishes, embroidery and > needlework, and 'moveables'. > > Renaissance Faire (since 1974); interest in costumes (German, English), > living history (and props for), knitting, needlework and embroidery, > crafts, manners. > > Georgian (since 1976), no group; interest in the clothes and manners. > > English Regency (since 1983), various groups; interest in costumes, > embroidery and needlework, dancing. > > California Gold Rush/late 1840's (since 1996), no group; interest in > costumes, California history, living history (and props for), displaced > Californios. > > Victorian/1840-60 (since 1982 or 83), Dickens' Faire; interest in costumes > and living history (and props for), accents, manners, dancing, embroidery > and needlework, crochet. > > Victorian/1860-65 (since 1978), looking for ACW groups; interest in > costumes, living history (and props for). > > Victorian/1880's (since 1995), trying to contact Wild West groups; interest > in costumes, Montana Territory/State history, living history (and props > for), women's rights movements. > > Victorian/1890-1910 (since 1975+), various living history sites and events; > interest in costumes, docent work (and props for), Craftsman needlework and > architecture. > > 1920-24, (since 1990) no group; interest in costuming and needlework. > > PEERS/any period (since 1996); interest costumes and dancing. > > Gaskell Ocasional Dance Society/"formal, 19th and 20th century" (since > 1980); interest costumes and dancing. > > Early 1950's-60's (since 1990), no group; interest in costumes, dancing > > Late 1960's-early 70's (since 1974), no group; interest in costumes, Hippie > needle-crafts, beginnings of fibre art, alternative architecture. > > Ethnic (since late 60's), no group; interest in > Central Asia/1800+, costumes, embroidery, jewelry, ikat, Amur applique > China/1800+, costume, embroidery, cloisonne > Eastern Europe and Balkans/1800+, costumes and embroidery > Egypt/Coptic, costume, weaving > India/1800+, costumes, decorated fabric, embroidery > Japan/1500+, costume, decorated fabric, Ainu costume and needlework > Pacific Northwest native people/1800+, costumes, weaving, wood-work, > design, silver-work > Palestine/1800+, costumes, embroidery, cross stitch > Russia/1500 to Revolution, costume and embroidery > West Africa/1600+, costumes, decorated fabric, European trade beads > > I'm also interested in future costuming as seen thru the eyes of years in > the past, like a 1900 speculation on what people might be wearing in 1950, > or that Space Age stuff Coureges was doing in the late 60's and the Pan Am > stewardesses in the film '2001'. Group - science fiction or costume > conventions. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 14:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15232 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:59:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23KgAa13978; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Kg8X12032; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23KfTX11750 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.82] (helo=[216.119.36.82]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16hcnP-0003PX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:41:28 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:37:26 -0800 Status: RO on 3/3/02 8:09 PM, Jennifer Thompson at blue_jefiner@hotmail.com wrote: > My name is Jennifer Thompson, HI JEN!!! ::waves maniacally:: > and my main focus at the moment is on late > 15th c. and 16th, century costume. I'm currently obsessed with Florentine > fashions, but I am also interested in Flemish, Spanish, and German dress. I > love research and the more scholarly aspects of historical costume, and > although my sewing skills aren't as good as they should be, I'm trying to > learn as I go. Don't listen to her. She's a vertiable sewing & research goddess. ;) > > I am not affiliated with any organization, but I would like to get involved > with a good, authenticity-minded re-enactment group if I ever live closer to > a real city. For the moment, I just wear my costumes to the Renaissance > festivals here in Texas, but we live too far from them to go as often as I > would like. So sometimes I just wear my garb around the house and give the > UPS man quite a surprise when he comes knocking on my door! ;-) And what else is there in life but to make other people do double & triple takes when they least expect it? ;) So, since I was so into my soapbox the other day, I neglected to mention what my specific interests are in the costuming paradygm. As I stated eariler, I'm loosely involved with the SCA and even more loosely involved with faire. I had my start at Northern, but moved away from it after I realized that their idea of "theater" and my idea of "reality" conflicted horribly. Found the SCA and the shoe fit well enough to begin developing my talents. Interests: Um, lots of stuff. Primarily, it's mid 14th c. Italian, early 15th c. Italian and Burgundian late 15th c. Northern/Flemish and English clothing from 1500-1590. The latter is what I've done the majority of my work on. Authenticity is pretty much the emphasis with my clothing, but I'll never admit to it being anywhere near authentic. I like to get as close as I can as far as money, resources and comfort will allow, but ultimately there is always a point where I have to make a "cheat" in order to survive (it's no question when it's a toss up between dying of heatstroke and wearing a 100% wool gown in the middle of summer with all the appropriate layers of clothing in between). Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 15:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15440 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 15:54:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Lb3a16634; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:37:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Lb1X27483; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g23LaMX27276 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:36:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020303213620.63333.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.32.61.160] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:36:20 PST From: Joan Garner To: costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Making your own linen Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:36:20 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Someone in our local ad-hoc garb-making club wants to start with flax and spin & weave his own linen. Personally I think he's nuts, but I would appreciate it if anyone can direct him to info on this. Thanks! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 16:00:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15464 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:00:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Lh2a16963; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Lh1X28999; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23LgeX28933 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.209] (helo=[216.119.36.209]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16hdkb-0003ix-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:42:39 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:38:41 -0800 Status: RO I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's Florigilium on the topic of a unique method of constructing a french hood, described by Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against 99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 17:46:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15932 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:46:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23NT4a21898; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23NT1X26868; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23NSfX26781 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:28:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.162]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g23MXsA09015 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:33:54 +1100 Message-ID: <053601c1c30b$0f356a60$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:27:58 +1100 Status: RO From: > > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. Affiliation: Pike and Musket Society (aka Routier). Year: circa 1642. Activities: Sewing for family of four, two of who are constantly growing, developing embroidery interests, and with the family, making camping equipment (as good as is practical). I also turn up to things, either assist or organise food preparation for events. Also research and advise on the little things that make us look good, and where to find them/how to make them. No other actual fixed affiliations at the moment, but family has a working knowledge, interest, and way too many books, costumes, and accoutrements in many ages. One concentration is Ancient Roman (mainly Roman Britain), and all ages through to the 16th century - mainly Britain. Some of these are getting a bit old in their research, and am currently collating research to make more extant-piece-style garments. Number One son has expressed an interest in the Viking influenced times in Northern Britain, so I'll have to get him some better clothing for that period shortly. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 18:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16024 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:04:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Nl2a22761; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Nl1X02336; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23NkEX02138 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:46:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.11f.ca88d35 (17080) for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:46:02 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <11f.ca88d35.29b40fb9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why I'm here To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_11f.ca88d35.29b40fb9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:46:01 EST Status: RO --part1_11f.ca88d35.29b40fb9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My period of choice is early 19th century--1801-1821. Mainly American Federal period, trying to figure out how American women were translating the styles of Europe. Ann Wass --part1_11f.ca88d35.29b40fb9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My period of choice is early 19th century--1801-1821.  Mainly American Federal period, trying to figure out how American women were translating the styles of Europe.
Ann Wass --part1_11f.ca88d35.29b40fb9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 18:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16033 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:06:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g23Nn2a22910; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Nn1X02909; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g23Nm1X02664 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.f4.17adff30 (17080) for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:47:38 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f4.17adff30.29b41027_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Subject: [h-cost] Costume Classroom Class Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:47:51 EST Status: RO --part1_f4.17adff30.29b41027_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be teaching another session of "The Early 19th Century--the Total Look" beginning this week. The emphasis of this class is doing primary research and then interpreting it to put together a fully-accessorized look, primarily for living history interpreters. Ann Wass --part1_f4.17adff30.29b41027_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be teaching another session of "The Early 19th Century--the Total Look" beginning this week.  The emphasis of this class is doing primary research and then interpreting it to put together a fully-accessorized look, primarily for living history interpreters.
Ann Wass --part1_f4.17adff30.29b41027_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 18:33:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16115 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g240G5a24155; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g240G1X09864; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g240FoX09812 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g240AiD00007 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:10:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005701c1c312$95caad40$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <002901c1c239$6a3272a0$61d5adcb@user> <4.3.1.2.20020303112456.00bf6630@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] the SCA :) and other costume groups :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:21:47 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > The SCA has the costume standards it has because it was not originally set > up as a historical-re-enactment group like, for example, the black powder > groups. It was originally a bunch of Hippies and Tolkein-readers > protesting the 20th century, and having a Medieval farewell party for > someone (writer Dianne Paxton) going away to the Peace Corps. Over time > 'real' historians joined (and then some without the need for quotation > marks), and the general level of costuming, and everything else, went up. While I would agree with most of this, I've heard other accounts from People Who Were There who said that the mix was primarily Tolkien readers, fans of Arthurian romance, and folks who had taken a medieval studies class here or there in college (rather than hardcore hippies. Of course, none of them knew that what they were doing was founding a club, which explains a lot of things about the SCA--it very much grew organically. Sorry for the SCA digression... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 18:35:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16147 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:35:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g240I1a24265; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g240I0X10440; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g240HmX10374 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:17:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from LadyGryphon@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.13.77b4389 (4406) for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:17:39 -0500 (EST) From: LadyGryphon@aol.com Message-ID: <13.77b4389.29b41722@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] the SCA :) and other costume groups :) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 36 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:17:38 EST Status: RO In a message dated 3/3/02 6:16:25 PM, nicolaa@columbus.rr.com writes: << which explains a lot of things about the SCA--it very much grew organically. >> As a further digression-organic IS period. Right? Lady G _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 19:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16482 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:30:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g241C4a27327; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:12:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g241C2X25438; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:12:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g241BpX25355 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:11:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.65.178.96] ([68.65.178.96]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSFCN901.BJ9 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:11:33 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:11:32 -0500 Status: RO Hello! I'm Laurie, I've been in the SCA for about 13 years. I like to try a little of everything, for many different periods. I prefer the post 1400's, but I *really* like Greek chitons for summer events. Right now I'm torn b/w early 15th century English and late 15th c Italian (Venetian). Soon I'll be entering unexplored territory, colonial American c.1750. My husband's idea, should be interesting. If anyone can come up w/some tips for a settler's wife, I'd appreciate it. In reference to a current textile thread, I just picked up 5yds of grey/blue wool sateen w/coodinating cotton brocade. The sateen was priced at $10.00/yd, which I thought was pretty resonable for the quality. As for the costume vs recreation, hobby vs scholar... please keep in mind that the SCA has a bajillion active members, and we all play at the level we're comfortable at. Some are more into the research, some prefer the "gee, it *looks* like the picture" approach. With so many members, you'll find just about every extreme, and then some:) Laurie Gage in the SCA as Isabeau de l'Isle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 20:30:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16762 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:30:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g242D3a00296; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242D1X11932; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242CmX11868 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:12:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from ccc (65-45-136-164-tam-01.cvx.algx.net [65.45.136.164]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g242ClK50768 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:12:47 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c1c322$fbb48260$a4882d41@ccc> From: "Heather" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:19:14 -0500 Status: RO I am in the SCA, and prefer to focus on 14th, 15th and 16th Century England, Ireland and Scotland. I joined this list because I am the kind of person who loves learning, and saw this as a good list to learn the proper ways, not only of how to DO, but on how to Research how to DO.;-) I've always been fascinated by cultures and peoples- now I'm fascinated by clothes too. Moira bean Eoin (modernly Heather) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume > > In a message dated 2/3/02 7:31:43 AM, margali@99main.com writes: > > << > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume conversations lately geared toward > SCA activities. I get so much out the higher level, 'scholarly' type threads > here, and I guess I just want to keep it that way. >> > > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If > you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and > each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the > numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is > there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just > chattier/more vocal. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 20:31:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16776 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:31:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g242E1a00354; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242E0X12206; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:14:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242D9X11980 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:13:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g242D7Ap020394 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA14116 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:13:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203040213.VAA14116@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: <3C8165FA.AA7EBC8D@misc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:12:48 -0500 Status: RO >LadyGryphon@aol.com wrote: > >> Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send >> in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. I Ha! Where to start... -- Scottish Highland (1745) reenactment group -- Baggage train for Thirty Years War (1630s) -- Misc. War of 1812 events, sometimes -- Sometimes show up for French & Indian War Events, as my Scottish Highland kit mostly translates (petticoat, shift, jacket, shoes) -- Thinking about putting together a 1869 flavor outfit for the occasional Western Shooting occasion, or just for fun -- Thinking about putting together some Edwardian-flavor outfits, just for fun -- "" some WW II period outfits, just for fun -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 20:35:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16786 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:35:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g242I1a00533; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242I0X13298; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242HXX13193 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:17:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A9382F0026C; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 20:17:28 -0600 Message-ID: <00d601c1c322$92c6efe0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] A new learning adventure Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:16:19 -0500 Status: RO I am really excited!!! Tomorrow night I go to DuPont's manufacturing plant to work on a Boy Scout textiles merit page with my teenage sons. A lot of people do not realize that DuPont manufactures a lot of man-made textiles. The course's duration is three Mondays in March. I can't wait to see what I learn. If you all want, I will report back what I learned. BTW, this is the last time the Richmond, VA Dupont plant will offer this course, but you might want to check a plant near you and see if they offer the program. This is a great way to introduce teenager Scouts to the textile industry. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 20:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16800 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:39:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g242M1a00757; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242M1X14603; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g242LtX14584 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:21:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.52] (as3-4-66.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.52]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g242Lip10139 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:21:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: sueded and "felted" silk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:10:53 -0800 Status: RO At 8:59 AM -0500 3/1/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >FYI, my friend told me that no one is really sure how many silk cuccoons >were used at a time to make thread for weaving. One thread is so fine you >can barely see it, but some people say that as few as two were put together >for a weaving thread. Others do not agree. For a random data-point, after a workshop in reeling silk, I ended up with a spool of 20-strand silk thread which, if doubled, makes a very nice sewing thread. (Not doubled, it's not quite strong enough.) I could imagine weaving with the 20-strand thread, but pretty much only gauze-weight fabrics. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 21:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17004 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:26:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24393a03130; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24391X26617; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2438LX26420 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:08:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonwolfcat (AUTH poptime) at 12-229-150-149.client.attbi.com (HELO jonna) (12.229.150.149) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 03:08:06 -0000 Message-ID: <009e01c1c32a$33c55e20$9596e50c@attbi.com> From: "Dragonwolfcat" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020302140422.00e4e750@mail.frys.com> Subject: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:10:56 -0800 Status: RO I'm on this list to learn anything I can about almost any period of costume/clothing. My primary activity is with the SCA (19 years this June eep!) where I am focused on early 14th Century Welsh reinactment. I'm also working on a costume library to help people in my area decide what they want to wear. The goal is to not only have my online and paper library, but a binder for each culture and time period which will have information on appropriate fabrics(with swatches so that non-A/R folk know what it looks and feels like), embellishments, colours and silhouettes. A lot of the locals in my area rely on Norris and Peacock for their inspiration, and I'd like to have other things available for people. I've also been involved in Black Powder/Rendevous and Pioneer reinactment, Renaissance Faires, and invited to join a Dicken's Choral Group. I want to know a little bit about most eras up to about the 1890's, and be conversant with the differences in styles, whether European, Eurasian, or other. Angharat _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 21:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17083 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:58:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g243f2a04559; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g243f0X05193; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g243eIX04976 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:40:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from dragonwolfcat (AUTH poptime) at 12-229-150-149.client.attbi.com (HELO jonna) (12.229.150.149) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 03:40:17 -0000 Message-ID: <00a201c1c32e$b37fe5a0$9596e50c@attbi.com> From: "Dragonwolfcat" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020302140422.00e4e750@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Somewhat OT: Question for those who have given lectures or seminars Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:43:08 -0800 Status: RO I thought that wearing my Tibetan Panel Coat and some other clothing would be fun while traipsing the Northwest Sewing Expo yesterday. Because of its, shall we say eye-catching quality, I was requested by the Needle Arts Guild to prepare an hour long presentation, with an hour of questions afterwards for next year. The gist of what I am understanding is that they would like to have me bring in some of the work I am doing for my interests-whether historical or for science fiction/fantasy conventions, so long as it has needlework involved, and talk about it. They are looking for more things to raise interest in people, and to encourage people to do more needlework. Since I'd have 17 months to prepare for this, I thought I would give it a try. However, I've never been the main speaker for anything, especially not for anything interesting like costuming or embellishments, nor have I ever had to speak for more than ten minutes. I know a lot of you have experience in this and was wondering how some of you might advise on how to approach and tighten up a subject like this. My first impression is to pick one central time frame and show how people now are using needle arts to recreate that time period-whether the Middle Ages, Elizabethan, Regency or something else. In all honesty, I would probably need to pick the Middle Ages, simply because I personally have the most information and finished projects in this area, and will be working on 7 more for the local Costumer's Guild Challenges this fall. Does this sound like it could be a feasible start on a topic? Angharat _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 22:03:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17114 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:03:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g243k1a04791; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g243k0X06427; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g243j0X06137 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:45:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA06646 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200203040402.UAA06646@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:02:56 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's Florigilium on >the topic of a unique method of constructing a french hood, described by >Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with >a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at >least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against >99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french >hoods, Truthfully, this _is_ how I constructed my first one, based on what I was seeing in paintings. I also decided that without constructing a real block for a buckram frame, it was a pain to stiffen. Then I came across everyone else's two-piece french hoods and slapped myself on the forehead. "Duh! That's SOOOOOO much eaiser to do!" I'm almost always under time constraints for costumes, and hats are the one frivolity I permit myself to spend a lot of time messing with. But I'm still not up to making my own hat blocks, or completely wiring a non-framed piece just so it'll stand up. Oh god, I just remembered the first hat I made. I used copper wire and Pellon for the frame. The Pellon at least solved the problem of "how do I pad out this sucker?" I've since learned more period methods. The spoon bonnet I made used red flannel as padding (red silk dupioni cover). Come to think of it, I may still have the buckram frame for that first french hood attempt up on a shelf somewhere... Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 3 22:08:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17131 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:08:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g243p1a04960; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g243p0X07725; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g243oSX07599 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id UAA06875 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200203040408.UAA06875@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] the SCA :) and other costume groups :) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:08:25 -0800 (PST) Status: RO "Susan Carroll-Clark" wrote: > [...] > , and folks who had taken a medieval studies class here or > there in college (rather than hardcore hippies. Of course, none of them > knew that what they were doing was founding a club, which explains a lot of > things about the SCA--it very much grew organically. Most of the "hippies" in Berkeley _were_ students. Take a look at the footage of student protests in "Berkeley in the 60s." Funnier, one of my friends' parents were among that first little group that formed the SCA and they were out at the People's Park protests in armor. Which I suppose isn't too stupid an idea if you're pretty sure a riot is going to happen. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:11:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04404 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:11:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g247s4a14572; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247s1X07288; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247rLX07147 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:53:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-147-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.147]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g247t0R06561 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:55:00 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020303225902.00c125c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] make your own shoes? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020303112150.00830d80@pop.directcon.net> References: <200202112008.g1BK8cm13628@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:02:24 -0800 Status: RO > >Has anyone read -- or used - this book? > > > >http://www.marywalesloomis.com > > > > >I have! If you want to make variations on modern high heeled pumps, it's >great. If you're looking for techniques to make pre 16th century shoes, or >soft flat slippers or boots, it won't do you much good. > >She has you make a plaster cast of your feet to use as a last, so it's good >for people with funny shaped feet. Her technique is actually modified from >millinery methods, stretching buckram and fabric over the last. You still >need to buy, or salvage, heels and hardware like nails, braces, etc. The method is great for about 1600 onward, except for maybe 1800 thru the 1840's. Shoes and boots. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:11:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05202 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:11:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g247sTa14592; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247sRX07401; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247rPX07167 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:53:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-147-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.147]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g247t4R06573 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:55:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020303233158.00e47360@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: wool in Summer (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:33:55 -0800 Status: RO >I like to get as close as I can >as far as money, resources and comfort will allow, but ultimately there is >always a point where I have to make a "cheat" in order to survive (it's no >question when it's a toss up between dying of heatstroke and wearing a 100% >wool gown in the middle of summer with all the appropriate layers of >clothing in between). The Landsknechten at Northern have figured out how to do the wool-plus-underlayers thing in a California Summer, and I'm here to tell you it's possible, even livable. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:11:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05472 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g247sca14629; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247sbX07468; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247rSX07178 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-147-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.147]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g247t6R06579 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:55:07 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020303233633.00e54b20@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:37:20 -0800 Status: RO Gosh, that's what I always thought. And why I thought it. >Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with >a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at >least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against >99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french >hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the >evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually >morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know >anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further >clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05482 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g247sXa14607; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247sWX07433; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247rRX07171 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:53:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-147-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.147]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g247t5R06576 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:55:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020303233431.00c11c60@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020302140422.00e4e750@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:52:00 -0800 Status: RO Sleep? Is sleeping period? Oh, I forgot the ECW thing I did, and would like to get more into, as there's a local group forming. Sure I sleep. I just don't go to as many events as I'd like to. >Mmm, do you ever sleep? > >Cass :) > > > This reply just ate an hour and a half, so my first pass is what you > > get. Where there is no group affiliation it means I am still looking for a > > group, so I have to wear the clothes whenever I can. I'm on h-costume > > because it's got an amazing collection of costumers, who know tons of stuff > > I don't and will answer questions if I ask nice. > > > > SCA (since 1971); interest (mostly) in German/Eastern Europe costumes > > 1400-1600 and in making things for the total slice-of-life look, from > > furniture to lighting to wall hangings to tools, dishes, embroidery and > > needlework, and 'moveables'. > > > > Renaissance Faire (since 1974); interest in costumes (German, English), > > living history (and props for), knitting, needlework and embroidery, > > crafts, manners. > > > > Georgian (since 1976), no group; interest in the clothes and manners. > > > > English Regency (since 1983), various groups; interest in costumes, > > embroidery and needlework, dancing. > > > > California Gold Rush/late 1840's (since 1996), no group; interest in > > costumes, California history, living history (and props for), displaced > > Californios. > > > > Victorian/1840-60 (since 1982 or 83), Dickens' Faire; interest in costumes > > and living history (and props for), accents, manners, dancing, embroidery > > and needlework, crochet. > > > > Victorian/1860-65 (since 1978), looking for ACW groups; interest in > > costumes, living history (and props for). > > > > Victorian/1880's (since 1995), trying to contact Wild West groups; interest > > in costumes, Montana Territory/State history, living history (and props > > for), women's rights movements. > > > > Victorian/1890-1910 (since 1975+), various living history sites and events; > > interest in costumes, docent work (and props for), Craftsman needlework and > > architecture. > > > > 1920-24, (since 1990) no group; interest in costuming and needlework. > > > > PEERS/any period (since 1996); interest costumes and dancing. > > > > Gaskell Ocasional Dance Society/"formal, 19th and 20th century" (since > > 1980); interest costumes and dancing. > > > > Early 1950's-60's (since 1990), no group; interest in costumes, dancing > > > > Late 1960's-early 70's (since 1974), no group; interest in costumes, Hippie > > needle-crafts, beginnings of fibre art, alternative architecture. > > > > Ethnic (since late 60's), no group; interest in > > Central Asia/1800+, costumes, embroidery, jewelry, ikat, Amur applique > > China/1800+, costume, embroidery, cloisonne > > Eastern Europe and Balkans/1800+, costumes and embroidery > > Egypt/Coptic, costume, weaving > > India/1800+, costumes, decorated fabric, embroidery > > Japan/1500+, costume, decorated fabric, Ainu costume and needlework > > Pacific Northwest native people/1800+, costumes, weaving, wood-work, > > design, silver-work > > Palestine/1800+, costumes, embroidery, cross stitch > > Russia/1500 to Revolution, costume and embroidery > > West Africa/1600+, costumes, decorated fabric, European trade beads > > > > I'm also interested in future costuming as seen thru the eyes of years in > > the past, like a 1900 speculation on what people might be wearing in 1950, > > or that Space Age stuff Coureges was doing in the late 60's and the Pan Am > > stewardesses in the film '2001'. Group - science fiction or costume > > conventions. > > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > > ////-@@\\\ > > (((( 7 ))) > > ((( <> )))) > > ) (((((( > > /----\ /---\)) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05560 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:11:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g247sfa14647; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247seX07496; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:54:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g247rTX07183 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-147-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.147]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g247t7R06582 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:55:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020303233916.00e565f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:48:07 -0800 Status: RO >As for the costume vs recreation, hobby vs scholar... please keep in mind >that the SCA has a bajillion active members, and we all play at the level >we're comfortable at. Some are more into the research, some prefer the "gee, >it *looks* like the picture" approach. With so many members, you'll find >just about every extreme, and then some:) Everyone seems to have their own authenticity bug. And people who are authentic in one field are usually not in some other field. My costumes are such that I get called a 'costume Laurel' in the SCA, and I've been a historical judge at 3 different CostumeCons. OTOH, at mealtimes I sneak off to my car, open a can of something, and stick the spoon right in it to eat, no heat, no preparation. (An 'iced tea' spoon will reach all the way to the bottom of a can of soup and still stick out far enough to not get your fingers icky.) I am in awe of real cooks. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:25:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13738 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:25:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24883a15053; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:08:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24882X10442; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2487RX10260 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:07:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020304080726.WEEW8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:07:26 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry Shaw: "Dress and Decoration of the Middle Ages" Message-ID: <3C832B3F.19838.2EB007@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3C809FB3.15048.16EFA5@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:07:27 -0000 Status: RO On 2 Mar 2002 at 18:56, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > > Can I take any of those pretty pictures as being accurate, useful, or > > anything else? > As redrawings go, some of these are really quite good; Shaw is a more > faithful copyist than some of his contemporaries. ..... > The best use is this: If you see something in here you like, you can then > track down the original and work from that. If you don't know where to > find the original, give a holler -- I could put my fingers on half of > those images within 60 seconds on my own bookshelf, and I bet there are > others on this list who could do the same. Well, the one I'm interested in at present is a collection of C14 headdresses, on page 149 http://www.williams.nildram.co.uk/crafts/c14headdresses_sm.jpg (Those who are gently guiding me in the direction of Doing Things Right suggest that I really ought to be wearing something on my head). So I'm staring at that little lot, wondering how to make any of them and which is the most practical. Finding the original: Shaw says "The manuscript to which we refer appears to have been written and illuminated toward the south of France, during the reign (1364-1380) of Charles V. It was formerly in the Lamoignon Collection, from which it passed to the library of the Duke of Roxburghe, from whom it was purchased by the trustees of the British Museum ..... It is a fine manuscript on vellum, contaiing a copy of the French text of the Romance of King Meliadus..... battle scenes, varied now and then with tournaments. The latter are always accompanied by numerous figures of ladies, as spectators, amd have furnished us with the greater part of the subjects on the facing page..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13743 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:27:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g248A1a15107; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g248A0X10884; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24896X10714 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213.78-68-183.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.68.183] (may be forged)) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AEJ25684; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:08:57 GMT Message-ID: <00d101c1c354$8eb9e060$b7444ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: "LIST H costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] New Corsetry book-Foundations of Fashion Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:13:46 -0000 Status: RO For those interested in undergarments :) Foundations of Fashion by Philip Warren The Symington Corsetry collection 1860-1990 Fashionable corsetry, foundation wear and swimwear, from the collections of this famous Leicestershire manufacturer, producer of the famous Liberty bodice. Original advertising, photos, factory equipment Either direct from corsetry@outofprintbooks.co.uk or via www.bookavenue.com Mel . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 02:28:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13750 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:28:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g248B3a15150; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g248B2X11149; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21407.mail.yahoo.com (web21407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g248ANX11011 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 01:10:23 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020304081022.78023.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:10:22 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO As requested: Affiliation: The Tudor Group Preferred Year: 1560-1603 Preferred Activity: Living history group - so we do scenes from everyday living - I mainly do textiles. Definately interested in the scholarly aspects. Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 04:06:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14229 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:06:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g249n3a17993; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g249n1X00592; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g249m1X00406 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 02:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16122.; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:56:04 GMT Received: from staff-Message_Server by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:47:05 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g249m1X00406 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:46:41 +0000 Status: RO Affiliation : The Sealed Knot (English Civil War reenactment) for past 25 years, and a music group which is an offshoot of same. Years: 1630s/40s Activities: Nowadays, civilian living history (music and some knitting/lucetting) and playing music at historic houses. (The SK is another society which started more than 30 years ago with members in makeshift "fancy dress" and has gradually moved towards greater accuracy. Because we're a very big society with some members more interested in battles (and beer) than costume, some of the smaller and more tightly controlled reenactment groups are inclined to sneer, but the living history section works hard to be as authentic as possible.) Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 05:51:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14669 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:51:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24BY2a20271; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24BY0X04941; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:34:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24BXFX04805 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYMA83IC000LQN8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:35:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYMA5KP7Y00TT60@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:35:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:28:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:28:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:28:04 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Date id of German doll head In-reply-to: <200203011810.g21IAqX07310@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5968E2B08AF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:28:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Does it cost an arm and a leg to make the reproductions? I've seen > pictures of reproduced Bru and Jumeau heads that are incredible. I > really don't need another expensive hobby and I already have boxes > of dolls with no place to display them. But...I fell in love with > this Jumeau. > > Beth It's been quite a number of years since I made any porcellaine dolls but I doubt the relative costs have gone up much. There are several ways of doing it. You could buy the doll parts ready made and assemble and dress (historical costume content!!..) the dolls yourself, this gives you the choice of hair colour and style too as you can buy the heads without the wigs and choose the eye- colour you want too... You could buy readt made but undressed dolls to dress for yourself, or you could invest in the moulds for the heads you particularly like and start producing your own for the cost of the slip (liquid clay) and other materials, plus the firing costs (if you have acdcess to somewhere with a kiln that will fire your pieces for you) or by getting your own small kiln (bigger initial investment, cheaper in the long run) and firing your own. This works out especailly well if you buy moulds for lots of different heads but of the same size - that way you only nees one set of hand and feet moulds that you can use for all the heads. If you're relly interested in getting more info, check out some of the doll making magazines (there must be websites too, but i haven't looked) ... there may be a place in your area doing beginners classes in porcellaine doll making. As to heads pirated from original dolls, they tend to be smaller than the originals as the clay shrinks in the drying and firing process. The pirated mould is taken from the (already shrunk) finished doll head, the heads made from that mould are slightly smaller (I forget how much) because they shrink once dryed and fired. Hope this helps Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 06:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14714 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:06:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Bn1a20540; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Bn1X07937; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24BmAX07801 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:48:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYMS7XR4G00RQCI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:50:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYMRMFEZ600SMP1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:49:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:42:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:42:02 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:41:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] rubber-backing (WAS: Teddy/Orange.. got me too) In-reply-to: <200203011901.g21J1UX08600@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <596C96A6819@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I've always wondered if there was any way to remove the rubber > backing. Has anyone ever tried to? laurie I've had *some* luck with boiling the fabric - it's hit and miss though. I have two lengths of the same fabric that were both backed. I boiled both (seperately, they wouldn't fit in the machine together) and one came out with the backing flakey so it could be rubbed/peeled, the other didn't change at all. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 06:09:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14727 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:09:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Bp1a20602; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Bp0X08340; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24BoNX08169 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:50:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYMMX836800OR5A@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:52:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYMLDQE0I00TT60@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:44:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:37:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:37:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:37:19 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. In-reply-to: <200203011901.g21J1UX08600@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <596B56F112A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:37:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > That's what we all need to see Teddy. > > An enourmous 50 year old woman decked out in a neon orange > Elizabethan costume. The bigger you are, the more there is to display the fabric on... that can be seen as an advantage, you know.... and the colour isn't exactly neon - unless the colour is off a *lot* on my monitor your scan of the fabric, it's into the duller range by my standards. Just look on it as a challenge to make the outfit look sophisticated and sumptuous rather than just *LOUD* > It would give small children and animals nightmares for years! > LOL... Toughens them up for life. You should ask some of my firends about the teenage boys I've worried while wearing my Rocky Horror outfit in public. http://www.sfgoth.com/~tenebrae/teddy/rh.html I'd be willing to bet that they think twice about taking out their attitude problems on anyone who dresses "wierd" after they've encountered me..... > Who knows maybe I will find the right client for it. :) That would be good too. > Now all I have to do is get the moth ball smell out of it.. why anyone > would store polyester fabric in moth balls. They go for polyester too, so do carpet beetle - not as much but it does happen. I still find it a crying shame that these fabrics are made in polyesters instead of all in natural fibres. I will resort to polycotton belends simply because it's cheaper to buy and there's often more/better choice of colour and patern in the available polyblemd fabrics than in natural fibre brocades and adamasks at affordable prices Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 06:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14820 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:37:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24CK2a21418; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24CK0X14862; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24CJKX14608 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:19:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYNVIZVK00054NP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:21:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYNVI64OO00SMP1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:15:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:14:48 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:14:47 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-reply-to: <200203021824.g22IOEX10841@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <597552E7AC4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:14:46 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list > send in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred > activity. If you belong to more than one group, include all the groups > you play with and each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep > a tally and send the numbers in when I'm done. Several groups, one similar period coverage to but *not* SCA. one 15th century, mostly Wars of the Roses, until recently, also one 17th century - English Civil War group. Also interested in most periods up to 1840s (mens) or 1930s (womens) with a definate gap for both around the later 17th century when mens and womens clothing was (in *my* opinion) just plain *ugly* ..... Mostly I do late(ish) 15th and some 16th century stuff. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 06:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14862 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:49:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24CW2a21840; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24CW1X17523; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24CVgX17423 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:31:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p204-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.204]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id BAA05217 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:31:39 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p204-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.204] claimed to be user Message-ID: <000801c1c378$64d420c0$ccc0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <11f.ca88d35.29b40fb9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Teddy and other orange freaks;) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:30:37 +1300 Status: RO Tangerine, wool, 150cm wide, $NZ5/m That's like less than $US2 per yard. I do not know just what i am going to do with 5m of the stuff, but I'm thinking of a full length coat trimmed with black with wool embroidery, lined in blue. So called "mundane wear, but not. Or should I do some real german ren stuff. I'm torn, I'll get some wear and jaw drops with the coat idea, but it screams Cranach. really just wanted to make a few people envious with this post;) I'm still stunned by the price, I really am. It's a furnishings shop... why can't fashion fabrics stores here have the same kind of sales???? michaela orange freak from childhood. So now I have hair to match;) http://recital.tripod.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 07:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14986 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:09:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Cp1a22295; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Cp0X21448; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24CoWX21359 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:50:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYOZ7064W00S3VZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:52:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYOZ5J27S00D42P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:52:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:46:14 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:45:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:45:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] A pot to ... in In-reply-to: <200203031902.g23J21X14915@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <597D7FB022F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:45:26 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I can't say I've ever had any serious shrinkage accidents. Mind you I > make most of my stuff so that it doesn't need to be washed, and the > under layers are mostly linen, which doesn't seem to shrink much, and > loose which doesn't matter if they do. I always wash on cold anyway. > That probably helps. The most troubles I've had when washing have been > when some friendly person has decided to help out with washing and > thrown hand-wash only stuff into the washer, or washed on warm stuff > which has only ever been washed on cold. Ah... well, most of my stuff gets washed right along with my everyday clothes (lots of it get *worn* as everyday clothes too) andthe only way I sort my washing is by colour with the occasional delicates wash for knitted sweaters. If it needs hand-washing, I don't own it. Most of my stuff *needs* washing. Appart from mud and dirt from just being at outdoor events (sometimes soaked upas far as the knee at winter events or very wet "English Summer" ones) there's stains from spillages (serving or just accidents at fearsts) children (grubby and stuicky hands dirty shoue when I'm carrying, plus the rolling on the floor wlie playing with them, and all the marks from brushing aginst dirty stuff in big costumes where it's pretty unavoidable (full length houpellande with big dagged sleeves in a narrow staircase up the tower of a 12 the century castle, for example). I'm not a tidy person, and I don't tend to avoid things that could prove dirty or messy... my stuf *has* to be washable... Of course, now that I'm King, I get ordered out of the kitchens and back to High Table if I try and wander in to help serve or wash up during a feast... Teddy Teddy (Trustworthy Evil-Bunny of Destiny, King of the Far-Isles, part-time Knave, Creature of air and darkness, and Hairdresser of Death apparently!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 07:27:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15080 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:27:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24DA5a22934; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:10:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24DA0X26547; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24D9EX26385 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:09:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkThcEDzdukBNWS7yA/1SP4wbHzsn6+MMg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GU3EDF4W; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:09:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Message-ID: <20020304.070949.-305305.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-10,15-17 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:09:49 -0600 Status: RO I was infected by the costuming bug at the tender age of 14 when I joined a Rev War group thru the auspices of a Senior Girl Scout troop. I was already predisposed to a costuming obsession due to an unhealthy interest in playing dress up as a child. I went on to participate in the SCA (and still do when other activities permit), and then I got assimilated by the RenFaire and have been concentrating on later 16th century ever since. In the SCA my persona is technically an Anglo-Saxon, but I've always loved the cotehardie styles and would like to get more proficient at them. I'm also getting into Victorian these days and would love a good excuse to make Cavalier.....and I've done a bit of Regency. I've been on h-costume since summer of '97, and I've enjoyed both the discussions we've had on the board, and meeting folks from the list in person (Hi Teddy, Mel, Danielle, Melanie, Drea, Deb, and everyone else I've had the pleasure of meeting). This list is a constant source of inspiration! Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 07:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA15088 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:29:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24DC1a23005; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24DC0X27010; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de (moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24DBLX26879 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:11:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.19.20.62] (helo=mrvdomng1.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng1.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16hsFM-0003Yc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:11:20 +0100 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=5wal-lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdomng1.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16hsFK-0007Mr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:11:20 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020304130557.00af9bf8@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:09:20 +0000 Status: RO At 12:47 02/03/2002 -0500, you wrote: >an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. No affiliation as I haven't found any group in my era of preference (1880's) so I just attend whatever festivals etc that I can locate. Lissa aka Elizabeth, Duchess of Woking by decree of HRH Queen Victoria (Ilfracombe) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 08:07:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15209 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:07:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Do3a24578; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:50:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Do1X07332; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Dn3X07031 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from melaniew (213-78-88-183.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.88.183]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AEJ48312; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:48:59 GMT Message-ID: <000301c1c384$2909ebe0$b7584ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy and other orange freaks;) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:43:53 -0000 Status: RO Can we get some Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 08:09:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15220 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:09:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Dq2a24671; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Dq0X07807; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:52:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Dp1X07575 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m170.in-tch.com [216.166.191.170]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g24DdAH20091 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:39:10 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C837CE2.C10E67EF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. References: <596B56F112A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 06:55:46 -0700 Status: RO Hey....definitely good legs...but doesn't it get a little -uhm- cool? when worn in public --sue Teddy wrote: > > Toughens them up for life. You should ask some of my firends > about the teenage boys I've worried while wearing my Rocky Horror > outfit in public. > > http://www.sfgoth.com/~tenebrae/teddy/rh.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 08:36:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15287 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:36:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24EJ1a26001; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24EJ0X15745; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:19:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24EIdX15621 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:18:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.135.a577236 (4210) for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:18:30 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <135.a577236.29b4dc36@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Somewhat OT: Question for those who have given lectures or semin... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:18:30 EST Status: RO If you are trying to appeal to a broad audience, I think the Middle Ages might be, or seem, like a turn-off. But you are right, you do need a way to organize your topic, and you probably do want to show a variety of techniques and ideas. Maybe a "through time and place"--one technique from one time period, another from another. What kinds of needlework seem really big where you are, and how can you tie in to that enthusiasm? Quilting, for example, seems big all over, and many of those people (forgive me, list members, if you are among them) seem to be real fanatics. (Not that we costume people are fanatics! If I put all that time and effort into a project, I want to wear it!) This sounds like a great opportunity for you. Are they paying you, I hope? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 09:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15547 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:45:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24FS3a01091; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:28:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FS0X11526; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:28:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.wireweb.net (mail.wireweb.net [64.243.192.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FRBX11105 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:27:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203040920.AA585892148@mail.wireweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume X-Mailer: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:20:44 -0600 Status: RO > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list> send in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred > activity. If you belong to more than one group, include all the groups > you play with and each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep > a tally and send the numbers in when I'm done. My name is ALexandria and I'm a garbaholic- oops, that's a different group. I've been doing SCA off and on as life allows for just about 12 years. My main interest is late Elizabethan, but when asked, or the spark happens, I'll make Norse to Cavalier, for friends, family and myself. I have a couple of eras that I also wear besides the Elizabethan, include Byzantium, circa 1000, and Venetian, circa 1500, and since signing up with an earlier period laurel, I've also started adding a lot of 14th century stuff. One of my goals in life is to have something from every era and country in the SCA period, whether it's a life size copy or for a doll display. I figure I have a life expectancy of another 40-50 years, I might make it.. Alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 09:46:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15553 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:46:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24FT1a01189; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FT1X12001; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FSjX11878 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:28:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYUGZQQC000ULH9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:30:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYUGDKPSW00SR3F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:29:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:23:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:22:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:22:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy and other orange freaks;) In-reply-to: <200203041420.g24EK5X16280@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <59A758768C8@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:22:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Tangerine, wool, 150cm wide, $NZ5/m > > That's like less than $US2 per yard. Wow! > I do not know just what i am going to do with 5m of the stuff, but I'm > thinking of a full length coat trimmed with black with wool > embroidery, lined in blue. So called "mundane wear, but not. > > Or should I do some real german ren stuff. > > I'm torn, I'll get some wear and jaw drops with the coat idea, but it > screams Cranach. > > really just wanted to make a few people envious with this post;) Well, you've succeded. > orange freak from childhood. So now I have hair to match;) > http://recital.tripod.com Love some of the fantasy stuff.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 09:53:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15579 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:53:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Fa1a01802; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Fa0X16106; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FZdX15916 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:35:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEYUQSOC2800USAU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:37:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEYUQOVZ6U00SR3F@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:37:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:31:14 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:30:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.81) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:30:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda and Orange.. riiiighhttt. In-reply-to: <200203041420.g24EK5X16280@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <59A980D591E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:30:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Hey....definitely good legs...but doesn't it get a little -uhm- cool? > when worn in public --sue > > http://www.sfgoth.com/~tenebrae/teddy/rh.html Depends where and when the "public" is.... I've travelled by tube (underground train) through London to get to the theatre dressed in that outfit (alone and with groups of friends) I've walked through various towns (including various bits of London)... ok that's mostly in the summer, though there was the time I got changed in the sports-club next door to the Royal Free Hospital in Hampstead (where I was working at the time) and had to travel by train to Wimbledon (where the theatre was) during a fairly chilly February Evening so I put on a little red crushed velvet dress for the journey and shimmied out of it when I reached the lobbey of the theatre (much to the amazement and of the young man who had just handed me my ticket and thought I was a girl until I dropped the dress....) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 10:04:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15616 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:04:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Fkla02864; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:46:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FkkX21069; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:46:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from wvugrpwise1.wvu.edu (wvugrpwise1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.153]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24FiBX19831 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from WVUDom1-Message_Server by wvugrpwise1.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:44:03 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.6.1 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g24FiBX19831 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:43:32 -0500 Status: RO Pardon my de-lurking... Yes, I'm one of the ones who doesn't pipe up too often. I am not in SCA. Affiliated with no groups, except Costume Society of America. Theatre Costume Design student. Don't do too much actual costume-making for myself - no where to wear it! Most interested in learning actual historical details, thus I appreciate the SCAdians - and all - who have really gotten in and studied the minutiae. Preferred years of study - 1885 to 1935 - and underwear in all time periods. Back to silent-mode, Kathy Hoover Everybody on list send in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and each will get a fraction toward the total. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 10:15:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15654 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:15:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24FwHa04114; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:58:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FwFX27020; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24FvYX26593 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:57:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.151.9da9c2d (3934) for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <151.9da9c2d.29b4f366@aol.com> Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:57:26 EST Status: RO Giggle:) thanks for the tip on the 'ice tea spoon, Kayta, I'll make a note of that!!! When I'm desperate and short on time:) Although my main focus is costumning and embroidery--I do love cooking---and have done several feasts throughout my SCA years, where I tried to be as authentic as possible for the time period I was working in. I can also relate to what Teddy was saying about being' booted out of the kitchen while being King'----when I became Crown Princess for our local SCA Kingdom---a week before the huge period Roman feast I'd planned-----no one warned me that the day I showed up to do my feast it would be 'yanked out from under me':( I was really , really disappointed.And am still 'miffed' after all these years--that I never did get to cook my Roman feast :( On the other hand, I get to do a French early 16th century one later this month--:) In time --perhaps, I can talk them into another Roman one --(evil grin) Albra/Kathryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 10:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15694 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:26:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24G92a05429; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24G91X02826; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.225]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24G8MX02459 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:08:22 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Making your own linen Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Making your own linen Thread-Index: AcHC/HA3fG1ua/sTTcGGK4eZX9OxpAAmkRuQ From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g24G8MX02459 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:08:23 -0800 Status: RO I would be interested in this information also, as I'm considering weaving my own linen for a 14th century chemise. Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Joan Garner [mailto:joan_the_harpist1119@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 1:36 PM To: costume list Subject: [h-cost] Making your own linen Someone in our local ad-hoc garb-making club wants to start with flax and spin & weave his own linen. Personally I think he's nuts, but I would appreciate it if anyone can direct him to info on this. Thanks! Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 10:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15820 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:38:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24GL5a06933; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:21:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24GL0X09562; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24GKxX09546 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:20:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04899 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:20:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001801c1c397$f1990560$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020303233633.00e54b20@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:16:22 -0600 Status: RO It makes sense to me as well. Also the french hood's shape would be more flattering to its younger, and probably, at first, mostly unmarried, earlier wearers, especially in England. One got to show at least a little of one's crowning glory and didn't have the heavy lappets of the gable hood to act as :blinders to a degree. The so-called gable-hood, was probably intentionally unflattering to most as matrons and older women were not supposed to be slaves to their appearance. Jane Seymore, as Queen, banned the French Hood to her ladies-in-waiting and other attendants. Historians assumed that she did so so as to be id'ed as more moral than Anne Boleyn, but a later portrait of Anne, as well as her coronation medal portray her in an English gable hood in the same style as Jane's famous portrait. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 10:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15999 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Ga3a08803; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Ga1X18982; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24GZrX18912 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.17a.4883183 (25307) for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <17a.4883183.29b4fc5d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:35:41 EST Status: RO > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. I was in SCA while I was in college, but had to drop due to time constraints after graduation. (You can't fit three-day weekends and six-day workweeks into the same Gregorian calendar week.) I majored in theater, and have a strong interest in history, the two of those are what got me interested in costuming. Most of my costuming in recent years has been for my nephew for Halloween, but I'm hoping to start sewing more stuff for me. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 11:33:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16492 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:33:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24HF4a14144; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24HF2X15308; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24HEvX15235 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:14:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p142.directcon.net [209.79.209.191]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15667; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:14:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020304085107.00829c90@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: <17a.4883183.29b4fc5d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:51:07 -0800 Status: RO Why am I on H-costume? It doesn't actually have much to do with groups with which I'm affiliated. I'm on H-costume because it's my community. I joined the list when I was a stay home mother with a newborn and a three year old. I had no money to spend on fabric, and I couldn't get much sewing done because there was always a child in my lap. H-costume rescued me from the crushing loneliness of motherhood and gave me a group of people I could talk to about the things that interested me, even if I did have to do all my posting one handed because I was breastfeeding the baby while typing! When we moved, I found myself in a small town where the only costuming is of the polyester saloon girl Old West variety. I decided to try teaching classes through the Parls and Rec department, and the list was there to answer my questions, offer advice, and cheer me on when I wrote the syllabuses (syllabi?) for my Elizabethan and Gold Rush classes. I found a somewhat local group of costumers, when the Sacramento chapter of the International Costumers Guild had its inception on the list. And, when an out of the blue I was offered the opportunity to start my pattern business, you were there for me again, offering advice on everything from pattern drafting software to packaging, helping me find my way when I realized things I thought I knew were wrong, and cheerleading me through the two years it took to make my dream come true. The time I've been on this list has been the most rewarding, artistically, technically, and yes, it's beginning to look like financially, of my life, and I owe a huge part of it to the members and administrators. I don't say it often enough, so let me finish this valentine by saying thank you to each and every one of you. I love you guys! Margo "One Tough Costumer" Costume Classes in Northern California: www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.htm See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 12:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16648 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:09:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24HpIa19262; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:51:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Hp1X07995; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24HoPX07621 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:50:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8914 invoked by uid 0); 4 Mar 2002 17:50:13 -0000 Received: from p50801454.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?80.128.20.84?) (80.128.20.84) by mail.gmx.net (mp016-rz3) with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 17:50:13 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020304085107.00829c90@pop.directcon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:50:10 +0100 Status: RO > I found a somewhat local group of costumers, when the Sacramento chapter of > the International Costumers Guild had its inception on the list. > > And, when an out of the blue I was offered the opportunity to start my > pattern business, you were there for me again, offering advice on > everything from pattern drafting software to packaging, helping me find my > way when I realized things I thought I knew were wrong, and cheerleading > me through the two years it took to make my dream come true. Hi Margo! Hopefully in the two months I will be able to show some of the fruits of your labor - I've gotten your patterns and they will help with my own dress :))) I have started looking through the manuals and they look really good! As soon as the project is finished (it has to be done by May 1!) I will try to get picture on line! Cass :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 12:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16643 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:09:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24HmIa18808; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:48:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Hm0X06150; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24HlrX06067 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:47:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g24HlqAq021273 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teddy and other orange freaks;) In-Reply-To: <000801c1c378$64d420c0$ccc0adcb@user> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:47:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO So why not make both the coat and the cranach gown? At $2/yard, why not? On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, michaela wrote: > Tangerine, wool, 150cm wide, $NZ5/m > > That's like less than $US2 per yard. > > I do not know just what i am going to do with 5m of the stuff, but I'm > thinking of a full length coat trimmed with black with wool embroidery, > lined in blue. So called "mundane wear, but not. > > Or should I do some real german ren stuff. > > I'm torn, I'll get some wear and jaw drops with the coat idea, but it > screams Cranach. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 12:09:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16653 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:09:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24HjIa18401; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:45:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Hj1X04245; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-72.outblaze.com [205.158.62.72]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24HiaX04010 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:44:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14109 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Mar 2002 17:44:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020304174423.14108.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [156.41.168.26] by ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for lithiate@earthlink.net; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:44:22 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... X-Originating-Ip: 156.41.168.26 X-Originating-Server: ws2-2.us4.outblaze.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:44:22 +0800 Status: RO Well, I did play around with this last night and I learned a few things. First, this style of hood makes a dead-on replica of the earliest french hood style that was somewhere between henin lappet and french hood (the portrait of Catherine of Aragon as a young woman is a good example). The other thing I learned is that it doesn't give enough of a "coronet" effect. I wired the edge and it didn't help much. Those of you who have made this work, how did you get the turned back edge to "stand up", if you will, to give the appropriate coronet, as with the later style of hood (1540's)? Is there still a seperate structure that the hood part attaches to via the billiments or am I just going about this all wrong? BTW, I was going off of Norris' pattern in _Tudor Fashion_ if that has something to do with it. He's pretty vague about the construction right about 1540 or so; he hints that the coronet part becomes a seperate piece right about this time, but his illustrations suggest that they're still one piece. Argh. Sarah -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 23:37:20 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... > Gosh, that's what I always thought. And why I thought it. > > >Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with > >a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at > >least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against > >99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french > >hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the > >evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually > >morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know > >anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further > >clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! > > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 12:09:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16652 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:09:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24HlHa18646; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:47:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Hl0X05437; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f119.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.119]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24HkgX05231 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:46:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:46:35 -0800 Received: from 64.217.73.81 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:46:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.217.73.81] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2002 17:46:35.0617 (UTC) FILETIME=[875D3510:01C1C3A4] Subject: [h-cost] Why I'm here Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:46:35 Status: RO Affiliation: SCA Want to affiliate with (when I have more money): International Costumers Guild, Embroiderers Guild of America, American Sewing Guild Time Periods/Geography: Renaissance Italy (my SCA persona), Islamic areas (my husbands' persona), with occasional forays into Tudor (my wedding dress), Elizabethan, and 12th c. England My first exposure to Historical Reenactment was as a Girl Scout - we had a camping event at a local Living Historical Farm in Central Ohio - 1870's - 1880's. There I learned to hand quilt, which I am going to take up again Someday. My first exposure to sewing/needlework was definitely in the womb - my mother is an accomplished needleworker - sewing, knitting, crochet, needlepoint. (she recently picked up shuttle tatting) She used to compete at the Ohio State Fair and won a LOT of awards. I joined the list back in 1999, and it's because of an almost compulsive need to Do It Right. I love seeing the pictures of people's projects, and the conversations on how things were done. I especially love being able to ask about people's experience with different techniques - like lacing holes. Mary K. Temple Austin, Texas SCA: Lady Katerine Rowley Bryn Gwlad, Ansteorra _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 13:01:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16906 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:01:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Ii3a26415; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Ii1X11897; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20410.mail.yahoo.com (web20410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.129]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24Ih8X11324 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:43:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020304184307.38059.qmail@web20410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:43:07 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] the SCA :) and other costume groups :) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <005701c1c312$95caad40$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:43:07 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Another factor that helps to explain the lower overall costuming standards in the SCA is that there are no spectators. There are people who want to come to events just for the fighting, or the partying, or the shopping, or the dancing, or, or. The rules state that in order to even be present, you have to be wearing "an attempt at pre-1600 clothing," yet not everyone actually cares about detail. At Ren Faires the performers hold themselves to one standard (probably varies by faire), and the visitors get to do whatever they want; also at other living history events there are the re-enactors, and the spectators, who do not dress up. And no one confuses the people who aren't making a serious study with those who are. Since, in the SCA, anyone who wants to participate at all is a "member" (paid member of the official organization or not, they're usually treated as a member by the local group), of course your overall standard will be lower. My two cents. -Angela known in the SCA as Wentlian Harper, and trying also to become known for beautiful and authentic clothing - thanks to all here for helping me pursue that goal. --- Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > > The SCA has the costume standards it has because > it was not originally set > > up as a historical-re-enactment group like, for > example, the black powder > > groups. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 13:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17044 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:34:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24JH5a00495; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24JH1X03894; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20401.mail.yahoo.com (web20401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24JGiX03728 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:16:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020304191637.16910.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:16:37 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:16:37 -0800 (PST) Status: RO My current list of costuming projects I'd like to do includes (in no real order): -Elizabethan -Tudor -14th century European (haven't really narrowed it down much more than that) -14-16th century Persian -16th century Ottoman Turkish -16th century European's idea of Ottoman clothing (this is what I think of when someone says "historical costuming") -Italian Renaissance -Edwardian -Victorian -ACW or antebellum, haven't narrowed it down yet I am active in the SCA, and it provides a great place to wear the 16th c. & earlier stuff. I had been planning to make the later stuff just for fun but didn't really have anywhere to wear them, until I recently found out about a dance group in my area that centers around 1840-1910 (I'm not sure if that's exactly right). Although I haven't yet managed to go to any of their "tea dances" or balls, I plan to get involved at some point. Additionally, my boyfriend wants one of those jackets with the high collar, I think it's 1795ish, that I will make for him for just fancy dress wear. Also, I guess I have agreed to build him a 12th century Welsh wardrobe (in exchange for him driving me to the fabric store every time I want to go, since I don't have a car). We also occasionally do various ethnic or historically themed clothing just for fancy dress or everyday wear. I am less concerned with authenticity, and more willing to blend in modern materials or stylings, when I'm not planning on wearing an item to a reenactment event. I have really enjoyed the enthusiasm about "getting the details right" for historical clothing, that I have seen on this list in the time that I've been here (don't remember when I joined, but I remember being here a year ago and probably before). Also, it's a great resource for pointing me in the right direction when I decide I want to embark on a new era or style that I don't as yet know anything about. Like many on this list, I was bit by the costuming bug at a young age. Before my mother (a homemaker and seamstress) would allow me to use the sewing machine, she did let me sit at it with the power off, and I would "gather" cloth onto the needle and pretend to sew. Of course I played dress-up, but I also enjoyed taking big remnants of cloth from my mother's projects, and designing various togas and saris for myself. Then a BA in theatrical costuming set me well on my way to a desk job and a wonderful hobby. :) -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 13:53:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17207 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:53:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Ja6a02975; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:36:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Ja0X15406; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24JZ4X14886 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:35:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id AC6630E01E4; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:35:02 -0600 Message-ID: <004f01c1c3b3$8a061020$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:33:59 -0500 Status: RO <<>> Hi Kathy!!!!!! Making your bi-annual visit out of the Land of Lurkdom!!! And when do you graduate????? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume > Pardon my de-lurking... > Yes, I'm one of the ones who doesn't pipe up too often. > > I am not in SCA. > Affiliated with no groups, except Costume Society of America. > Theatre Costume Design student. > Don't do too much actual costume-making for myself - no where to wear it! > Most interested in learning actual historical details, thus I appreciate the SCAdians - > and all - who have really gotten in and studied the minutiae. > Preferred years of study - 1885 to 1935 - and underwear in all time periods. > > Back to silent-mode, > Kathy Hoover _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 14:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17558 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24KL9a08338; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24KL4X13037; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:21:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24KKpX12916 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:20:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-66-108-modem.o1.com [66.81.66.108]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24KMVR30170 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:22:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020304110616.00de1dc0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: <151.9da9c2d.29b4f366@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:14:11 -0800 Status: RO >Giggle:) thanks for the tip on the 'ice tea spoon, Kayta, I'll make a note of >that!!! When I'm desperate and short on time:) >Although my main focus is costumning and embroidery--I do love cooking---and >have done several feasts throughout my SCA years, where I tried to be as >authentic as possible for the time period I was working in. I have authentic-looking place settings, and table manners, for all the characters/periods I usually do, for events where you bring those and someone else cooks. At events where I can buy food from a booth, I dump their food onto my dishes and eat it in front of the mundane tourists, using table manners appropriate to the social class of my character/costume. This is especially fun when I have just sneaked away from a Victorian/Edwardian event, still in costume, and gone to a fast food place. Yes, hamburgers and french fries can be eaten with knife and fork, while still wearing ones gloves. I'm making a Victorian knife and fork carrier from a Godey's, intended for use while traveling, just for this. But when I don't have to eat in public, it's the cans in the car, or leftovers in Tupperware in the ice chest. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 16:05:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18123 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:05:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24Lk3a17739; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:46:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24Lk0X05078; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:46:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24LjMX04688 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:45:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.126.87]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g24LjGC22107 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] the SCA :) and other costume groups :) Message-ID: <3C837BBE.3258.36E324B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200203040408.UAA06875@gw.retro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:50:54 -0800 Status: RO Lee M. Thompson-Herbert wrote: > "Susan Carroll-Clark" wrote: > > [...] > > , and folks who had taken a medieval studies class here or > > there in college (rather than hardcore hippies. Of course, none of > > them knew that what they were doing was founding a club, which > > explains a lot of things about the SCA--it very much grew > > organically. > > Most of the "hippies" in Berkeley _were_ students. Take a look at the > footage of student protests in "Berkeley in the 60s." Funnier, one of > my friends' parents were among that first little group that formed the > SCA and they were out at the People's Park protests in armor. Which I > suppose isn't too stupid an idea if you're pretty sure a riot is going > to happen. But they were mostly things like *history* students, not textile archeology students. (It was a history post-grad's graduation party, after all.) I think that many of the SCA people I know on this list and not on the list have gone *way* beyond that. I know that I found the SCA to be a place where I could have synergy with people who knew more than I did about costuming and textile archeology and it grew from there. I'm definitely SCA (for nearly 20 years now), but I have a lot of interests (pre17th century in all the periods and mid18thC especially). (Although I assure you I delete everything about Victorian/Edwardian costume and feel those people can delete any accidental SCA reference I make just as easily.) However, I've been doing sewing since age 3 1/2years (although the needle in my sister's heel with all the hospitalization made a moritorium until I turned 4) and I've been doing costumes for myself since I was in grade school (since mom would sew them for herself but I was on my own for me. She *always* won our church halloweeen costume contest! I always thought that it was unfair she wouldn't do something just as good for me.) I ended up joining the SCA because there *were* people doing costumes for more than just Halloween. (And I quickly learned a lot!) I've tried some other reinactment groups and things like Costume Con, but just don't find them as satisfying as the SCA (even with all it's warts.) I am also on this list because I found other textile archeology junkies like me. ;) (But I wouldn't have found it without the SCA.) Kateryne of Hindscroft, OL, GdS, etc All it takes for evil to triumph is for the good to do nothing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 16:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18315 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:25:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24M82a20079; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24M81X18631; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24M7rX18542 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:07:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16e.9c47be2 (657) for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:07:42 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <16e.9c47be2.29b54a2e@aol.com> Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:07:42 EST Status: RO In a message dated 3/4/2002 3:22:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: << while still wearing ones gloves. >> Are you SURE that Victorian/Edwardian manners called for wearing gloves while eating? I cannot quote chapter and verse, but I think it highly unlikely. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 16:37:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18442 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:37:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24MK4a21421; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24MK1X25635; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:20:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24MJ6X25134 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:19:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA19566 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200203042237.OAA19566@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:37:05 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > << while still wearing ones gloves. >> > Are you SURE that Victorian/Edwardian manners called for wearing gloves while > eating? I cannot quote chapter and verse, but I think it highly unlikely. Actually, I remember reading one of those etiquette books. You could eat with your gloves on BUT we're talking about the type of gloves that button at the wrist. So you pulled your hand out of the main glove and out through the opening made by unbuttoning the gloves. This would be for an afternoon tea. Luncheon, dinner and supper were informal or formal meals and different. Oh, and there was a bit in the section on a lady's wardrobe that noted one should have extra white gloves to deal with soiling from jellies and jams. So for tea, at least, it was normal. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 17:17:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18754 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g24N0Ka26078; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:00:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24N04X18958; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:00:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24MxnX18814 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:59:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.139] (as3-4-38.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.24]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g24Mxjk07574 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:59:45 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020303213620.63333.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020303213620.63333.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making your own linen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:56:15 -0800 Status: RO At 1:36 PM -0800 3/3/02, Joan Garner wrote: >Someone in our local ad-hoc garb-making club wants to >start with flax and spin & weave his own linen. >Personally I think he's nuts, but I would appreciate >it if anyone can direct him to info on this. Thanks! I've done it -- well, I didn't weave cloth, I made a little bobbin-lace doily. It was long enough ago that I don't remember exactly what books I was working from, but there are a lot of "history of linen" type books that will describe the process. One important thing is to be prepared for a lot of experimentation, and for not necessarily getting all the way to woven cloth the first time. When you're first figuring out how to process the fiber, you can get a lot of wastage. I started out with a very small plot of flax: about 4x4 feet. And I ended up with a doily about four inches in diameter (plus a bunch of miscellaneous thread ends). A lot of the loss was in the initial separation of the fiber from the woody core -- I'd probably retted the flax either too long or not long enough. Then, in hackling it, I probably ended up discarding more than half my fiber as too short (because it hadn't been processed properly in the breaking process). At any rate, I would undoubtedly have gotten a better yield the second time, but I'd moved on to other projects. (This was more or less a "just to say I can" project for me.) I've also had people tell me that I'd have gotten better results using a different strain of flax. If he hasn't spun linen before, then it'll also take him a bit of experience to learn to spin a fine and even enough thread to weave with. And he needs to understand that he's unlikely to be able to produce shirt-quality linen any time soon -- I'd be aiming for something in the line of "very nice quality burlap". He's not nuts -- but the learning curve is fairly steep. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 22:17:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21400 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:17:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g253xEa24101; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g253x1A21709; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g253w7A21392 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:58:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19871 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:15:52 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry Shaw: "Dress and Decoration of the Middle Ages" In-Reply-To: <3C832B3F.19838.2EB007@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:15:52 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > Well, the one I'm interested in at present is a collection of C14 > headdresses, on page 149 > > http://www.williams.nildram.co.uk/crafts/c14headdresses_sm.jpg > ... > > Finding the original: Shaw says "The manuscript to which we refer > appears to have been written and illuminated toward the south of > France, during the reign (1364-1380) of Charles V. It was formerly in > the Lamoignon Collection, from which it passed to the library of the > Duke of Roxburghe, from whom it was purchased by the trustees of the > British Museum ..... It is a fine manuscript on vellum, contaiing a > copy of the French text of the Romance of King Meliadus..... battle > scenes, varied now and then with tournaments. The latter are always > accompanied by numerous figures of ladies, as spectators, amd have > furnished us with the greater part of the subjects on the facing > page..." This image was new to me. I'm intrigued by some of the expressions on the ladies' faces, and wonder if they're faithful to the original! Some of the clothing styles, particularly those in the middle row, look a bit suspicious for 14th c. French -- I would place those necklines and lacing arrangements, and the headdresses too, at a later date and perhaps in other countries (e.g. Germany). Shaw obviously did a little mix-and-match for this page. Either he pulled material from another source, or else this manuscript includes artwork from two periods, which does occasionally happen -- and Shaw notes that the manuscript's illumination was not completed, so it might have had some work added at a later date. I haven't heard of this manuscript, so it's possible also that it was later reclassified/redated (e.g. it might have been two separate pieces bound together). The clothing and headdresses in the top and bottom rows are mostly within the realm of possibility, if you ignore the waistline seams (surely Shaw's addition), but you can find many examples from this period in other, more reliable books, such as Margaret Scott's "Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th Centuries," or Millia Davenport's "Book of Costume." I would love it if someone on this list could identify the source(s) of these images. Hard to believe I've never even heard of "The Romance of King Meliadus." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 22:53:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21716 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:53:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g254a2a26220; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g254a1A03095; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g254ZvA03071 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:35:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-117-200-modem.o1.com [66.81.117.200]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g254bcR22119 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:37:38 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020304192603.00bf3100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:35:22 -0800 Status: RO I'm finally having my website worked on. My Sweetie is doing the hard part, setting it up so all I have to do in add images and text from time to time. I intend to include costumes I have made, antique/ethnic stuff I own, how-to articles from historical magazines I own, and notes/patterns from classes I have given, as well as the obligatory pictures of cats and children. I also hope to link to every costume resource site I routinely visit. How do I get permission to make links from my site to someone else's site? I'm thinking of those cool resource sites some people on this list have, also of museums and commercial parts-sources. Is it correct nettiquite to ask first, or shall I assume if it's on the web then it's OK for me to just set up a link? What's the correct place to actually link to - the home page, or the coolest image on the site? How early does a thing's copyright date have to be for me to put it on my site and not violate the law? For example, I own a pre-printed dress from the Bucilla embroidery company, dated 1925 right on it, where the embroidery is done but nothing is cut out. How do I keep honest people from using the stuff on my site for their own commercial purposes, while still letting them use the stuff? Is there a share-ware-like situation where I can put something I created, and if people want to use it then they are requested to send me some little bit of money? Is there a way to prevent the downloading of some of the images? I plan to keep my site simple to download and navigate, using no complicated graphics, animation, etc. Is there any other thing I need to remember, to keep things user-friendly? Besides good content and new things every once in a while, what makes a cool costume site? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 23:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21852 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g254p1a27106; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g254p0A07196; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g254oTA07063 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:50:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-117-200-modem.o1.com [66.81.117.200]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g254qAR22570 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:52:10 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020304204357.00bfee40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: <16e.9c47be2.29b54a2e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:49:19 -0800 Status: RO ><< while still wearing ones gloves. >> >Are you SURE that Victorian/Edwardian manners called for wearing gloves while >eating? I cannot quote chapter and verse, but I think it highly unlikely. If one were eating outdoors at a sidewalk cafe, I don't believe the gloves came off. Places like McD would qualify, if one ate outdoors. But I will look in my Charles Dana Gibson book, recently unearthed, to see what he shows women wearing at outdoor cafes in the 1890's. You are certainly right about anything formal. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 4 23:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21922 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:17:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25502a27748; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25501A09864; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g254xbA09738 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:59:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.36.198] (helo=[216.119.36.198]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16i730-0001LR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:59:36 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020304192603.00bf3100@mail.frys.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:55:26 -0800 Status: RO on 3/4/02 8:35 PM, Carolyn Kayta Barrows at kayta@frys.com wrote: > I'm finally having my website worked on. My Sweetie is doing the hard > part, setting it up so all I have to do in add images and text from time to > time. I intend to include costumes I have made, antique/ethnic stuff I > own, how-to articles from historical magazines I own, and notes/patterns > from classes I have given, as well as the obligatory pictures of cats and > children. I also hope to link to every costume resource site I routinely > visit. Welcome to the dark world of costuming websites... :) > > How do I get permission to make links from my site to someone else's > site? I'm thinking of those cool resource sites some people on this list > have, also of museums and commercial parts-sources. Is it correct > nettiquite to ask first, or shall I assume if it's on the web then it's OK > for me to just set up a link? What's the correct place to actually link to > - the home page, or the coolest image on the site? What I normally do is just drop a line to the person whose site I'm linking to, stating who I am, what I do, why I admire their site and ask if it's cool if I link to it. I've never been turned down. I've also made some good friendships with people who I've met while getting permission to link to their site. Now, speaking as a website owner, I don't have a problem if someone links to my site without asking permission or giving a heads-up. That's just my personal feeling about it... As long as no one is plagerizing, I'm cool with it (a quick search on google lets me keep tabs on who is using my site for what reason). I haven't been completely ripped off at this point in time, but I'm sure there's a good possibility of it happening. However, I don't let it keep me up at night worrying about it. > > How early does a thing's copyright date have to be for me to put it on my > site and not violate the law? For example, I own a pre-printed dress from > the Bucilla embroidery company, dated 1925 right on it, where the > embroidery is done but nothing is cut out. I'm totally clueless about copyright issues... And it shows. I've been meaning to research the matter more thoroughly, because I've been opperating under the assumption that as long as I credit the owner of the artwork, I'm not hurting anyone. Apparently this isn't the case as far as the net is concerned (works well with school papers, though). I'd be interested in hearing the particulars about this, too. > > How do I keep honest people from using the stuff on my site for their own > commercial purposes, while still letting them use the stuff? Is there a > share-ware-like situation where I can put something I created, and if > people want to use it then they are requested to send me some little bit of > money? Is there a way to prevent the downloading of some of the images? > There are some ways of making it slightly more difficult to steal images, but there are simple ways around those. Thing is, I chose not to worry to much about this happening. There's been a couple of instances where I've joined a group on Yahoo! only to discover that images of my work have been "stolen" from my site and placed in a folder in the group for discussion, though. It does bother me that people have done this (mainly because it's less work to just link to the site and go from there, rather than download the image to the computer and then upload it to Yahoo!), but as far as I can tell, it's harmless discussion involved. Except for the pictures of my corset that someone swiped for discussion... That was a bit awkward, but that's only because it's kind of weird to find images of yourself in your underwear on someone elses' site... Again, it's all up to how "selfish" you feel about your work. The way I look at it, the images on my website are free to whoever wants to look at them and that opens me wide up for issues like the ones I've just described. But, I knew that going into it, so it's not a major shock for me. Just know what you're up against before putting anything on the site that might be A) Offensive in some way (even the most benign stuff is bound to rub someone the wrong way, and they're going to tell you about it) and B) So cool that someone will be tempted to snatch the content and use it for their own devious purposes. > I plan to keep my site simple to download and navigate, using no > complicated graphics, animation, etc. Is there any other thing I need to > remember, to keep things user-friendly? Besides good content and new > things every once in a while, what makes a cool costume site? Number one thing that I think is absolutely crucial in a good costume site: Pictures. Lots and lots of pictures of original work with good detailed shots from different angles, worn by living models and plenty of discussion on technique. Okay, so that's more than one thing, but I feel those are terribly important in a good costume site. Just my $0.02... Have fun and drop us a link! Sarah Lorraine http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 00:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22330 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:25:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25682a01018; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25680A28244; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2567jA28175 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:07:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A0B0A10246; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:07:44 -0600 Message-ID: <006401c1c40b$ec44c9e0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Report Back from DuPont TextileTour Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:06:42 -0500 Status: RO Oh, I am so excited after tonight big adventure touring one of three parts of the DuPont plant here in Richmond, VA. I wish all of you could have been with us. I learned so much. There were 250 girl and boy scouts in our group. Very impressive that this many youngster wanted to learn about textiles. They split the group into three sets and sent us off to a separate factory within the plant. Each week we rotate factories until we have been to them all. They are VERY professional with the presentation and organized so well. All of the employees who helped with the presentation volunteered to put it on for us. So I will give you a little background on this plant, called Spruce Plant. This plant has three factories, each manufacturing a different non-woven textile. The textiles are Kevlar, Nomex, and Teflon. This plant is the largest DuPont plant in the world. Dupont does have several other plants all over the world that creates various types of textiles. I asked what was the first thing that DuPont manufactured. It was gunpowder. The textile we saw manufacturing tonight is Tyvek. We first had a lecture session, explaining the manufacturing process, characteristics, end uses, etc. Then we toured the factory. So I bet a lot of you are wondering what Tyvek is? You all have it in your homes! The little labels on your furniture that states that this label can not be removed under penalty of law. You have tried to remove it by hand and it won't rip, then you have to cut it with scissors... that label's textile is Tyvek. And strength is its #1 advantage! This textile is also used for envelopes... the big soft white ones that are the dickens to open. Guess who they were manufacturing Tyvek for tonight? UPS. They are going to make envelopes out of the textile. Remember how I said it is the dickens to get into those Tyvek envelopes? Tyvek is almost puncture proof, and repels up to 60 lbs of water. Don't you think that would make a great package to ship good in? Each bolt is tested at the beginning of production. The first 8 yards are removed and tested for flaws, durability, strength, water resistance. We got to see them testing for each. Tyvek was discovered by DuPont in the 1967 on accident. They were experimenting to make another fabric and a vial on the vat leaked one night. A steady stream of the solution went all over the floor. When the workers came into the factory the next morning the solution had hardened into a textile! The Richmond Plant has been manufacturing it ever since. The only other plant to manufacture the textile is in Germany. Other things made out of Tyvek are windbreaker jackets, hats, and medical supplies. They are great for surgical covering because they have very little lint. We had a doctor in our group and he verified this. The reason it doesn't have lint is because Tyvek has the shortest fibers in the world. Now I bet some of you are wondering what non-woven fabrics are? Think of a piece of felt. The Tyvek fibers are sprayed out of hundreds of nozzles and layered on top of one another. The nozzles moved in sequence. We saw this in the factory and were amazed. They move so quickly that it appears that they are moving in a steady stream straight down. But the turned on a strobe (sp) light and we saw that the nozzles were moving in a beautiful sequenced motion. This was way too cool and everyone loved it. The fibers grip on to one another, then forms the textile. Those who recycle can appreciate this... Tyvek is made from recycled plastic milk containers. When you recycle your milk containers they go to DuPont! They have recycled enough milk containers to circle the world. Some other characteristics of Tyvek: ***Does not dye well, but will accept ink for printing exceptionally well. It holds some of the highest definition inks in the world. My husband proved this to me, when he pulled out a wadded up map made of Tyvek that he got at the State Fair five years ago. He said, "I have had it wadded up in this drawer for five years and look at the print and fabric. It is in perfect condition." ***It doesn't burn but will melt. ***The textile doesn't breathe. This makes the wearer very hot. ***For wearing... it can only be laundered about 6 times. Then the textile starts to break down. My GYN doctor has dressing gowns for the patients made of Tyvek. As for the factory itself... it is 40 years old, but has some state of the art things. The supervisors ride around in huba-crafts (sp). They are magnetically charged and float around about an inch off of the floor.... so Star War-ish! The rider stands up in them kinda like a jet ski and zips around the factory. This was so cool!!!! The other state of the art thing were robots that moved things around in the factory. These were free standing and mobile robots, that would move things from one side of the factory to the other side, moving gigantic bolts of textiles. The robots were about four foot high and were real... kinda like R2D2. We were warned if one comes our way to move out of its way. It does not know to move around you. WOW!!!! The teenagers and adults were so excited!!! So space age! Well, I will let you all know what happens at our next two sessions. We do not go back to the plant until Mar. 18th. I hope it is the factory where we see how they make bullet proof vests. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 00:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22430 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:41:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g256Ooa01774; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:24:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g256OlA03348; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:24:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g256KHA02143 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:20:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A3A0BE0246; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:20:16 -0600 Message-ID: <006b01c1c40d$aca68e20$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:19:14 -0500 Status: RO One wonderful avenue of learning about internet laws is through The Internet Library Case Update Newsletter. They send you a profiled lawsuit case every week via email about the internet. I have learned a LOT from this. I encourage anyone doing business on the internet to get this newsletter. This week's newsletter was really interesting about a photographer who sued a search engine for copyright violation. This was a two sided coin. Below is how to subscribe and read past newsletters. If interested in this week's letter, I suggest you read ALL of it. It packs a punch in the end. Last week's newsletter was about a former Playmate of the Year's website being sued by Playboy magazine for trademark infringement. Directions: (copied from the newsletter) If you found this Internet Library Case Update of interest, and are not already a subscriber to my free service, notify me at http://www.phillipsnizer.com/form.htm, and I will provide you with future case updates. Additional case summaries can be found on the Internet Library at http://www.phillipsnizer.com/internetlib.htm. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 00:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22460 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:46:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g256T8a01951; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g256T7A04706; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:29:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g256MvA02896 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:22:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-79.radiks.net ([206.29.243.81] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16i8Lg-0004E1-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:22:56 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020305001146.02ecd1d0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200203041902.g24J29X24662@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: why we're here Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:21:46 -0600 Status: RO Hi, all! Group: St. Louis Costumers' Guild, chapter of International Costumers' Guild Period: All We do 99.9% fantasy and SF costuming, but many of them have started from historical patterns. So far we've modified (among others) Victorian, late 17th/early 18th Cent (panniers), houppelandes, medieval tunics, Roman, and an Elizabethan is in the future plans. We have somehow fallen into specializing in religious-themed costumes and re-creations of artwork and book covers. We've learned a lot from all the discussions on this list, since we don't do (at least not yet) purely historical costumes - it points us to things we may not have thought of when considering a particular style. This list is the greatest! Pierre and Sandy "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 01:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22684 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:19:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25724a03694; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25722A13298; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:02:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2571nA13247 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:01:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from user-38lc2a6.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.70] helo=[165.247.225.254]) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16i8xH-00005X-00; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 02:01:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:00:24 -0800 Status: RO At 1:38 PM -0800 3/3/02, Sarah Lorriane wrote: >I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's Florigilium on >the topic of a unique method of constructing a french hood, described by >Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with >a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at >least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against >99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french >hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the >evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually >morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know >anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further >clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! Although a french hood doesn't _have_ to have a "coronet" at all. The 1570's ones my Renaissance guild wears are just a flat, basically crescent-shaped underlayer that is heavily stiffened and wired, then bent into shape around the face and covered with fabric. When it's exactly the right shape, the front points just touch the cheekbones, the width at the bottom just covers the earlobes, and the whole thing slopes just a little upward from the forehead to the back of the hood. (I can't describe the angle properly because I'm still waiting to get one fitted.) The whole thing is only about two or two and a half inches from front to back. Unfortunately it's practically impossible to create a "pattern" for one because everyone's head shape and face are different. The one our costume director wears, for instance, is a couple of inches too long for me and tilts up too much in the back. (She says the "radar dish" look is Right Out!) What she recommends is studying portraits, then experimenting with cutting pieces of stiff paper into various shapes until you find something that looks right and is flattering to your face. I've noticed that Mary Tudor wears hoods like this in her portraits that are practically flat on top of her head, for instance. I don't know too much about the theory, but I'll ask. I have this vague feeling that earlier hoods like the gable or English hood do involve pinning up lappets of a previous style, but I don't know what's evolving from what. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 01:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22733 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:26:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25791a03961; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25790A15093; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25782A14864 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id AED134C0224; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:08:01 -0600 Message-ID: <008201c1c414$563e5480$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020304.070949.-305305.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:06:56 -0500 Status: RO Karen, You get to meet Susan and I in June for the Costume Society of America meeting. I think Ann Wass is going to be there too! Anyone else going to Chicago in June for CSA? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume > I was infected by the costuming bug at the tender age of 14 when I joined > a Rev War group thru the auspices of a Senior Girl Scout troop. I was > already predisposed to a costuming obsession due to an unhealthy interest > in playing dress up as a child. I went on to participate in the SCA (and > still do when other activities permit), and then I got assimilated by the > RenFaire and have been concentrating on later 16th century ever since. In > the SCA my persona is technically an Anglo-Saxon, but I've always loved > the cotehardie styles and would like to get more proficient at them. I'm > also getting into Victorian these days and would love a good excuse to > make Cavalier.....and I've done a bit of Regency. > > I've been on h-costume since summer of '97, and I've enjoyed both the > discussions we've had on the board, and meeting folks from the list in > person (Hi Teddy, Mel, Danielle, Melanie, Drea, Deb, and everyone else > I've had the pleasure of meeting). This list is a constant source of > inspiration! > > > Karen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 01:46:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22883 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:46:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g257T2a04493; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g257T1A19919; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g257SaA19828 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:28:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.37.20] (helo=[216.119.37.20]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16i9ND-0006Zv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:28:35 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... From: Sarah Lorriane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:24:33 -0800 Status: RO on 3/4/02 11:00 PM, Chris Laning at claning@igc.org wrote: > > Although a french hood doesn't _have_ to have a "coronet" at all. The > 1570's ones my Renaissance guild wears are just a flat, basically > crescent-shaped underlayer that is heavily stiffened and wired, then > bent into shape around the face and covered with fabric. When it's > exactly the right shape, the front points just touch the cheekbones, > the width at the bottom just covers the earlobes, and the whole thing > slopes just a little upward from the forehead to the back of the > hood. (I can't describe the angle properly because I'm still waiting > to get one fitted.) The whole thing is only about two or two and a > half inches from front to back. Right. This is the way I was taught to do it, too. The "coronet" is essentially the curved piece that projects out at an angle from the head (what you just described). The term was something I picked up from Norris a while ago, and I've noticed that other costumers also refer to it as a "coronet". It could be possible, however, that this is a confused term. What makes this other method of making the hood so interesting is that it suggests that the "coronet" piece wasn't a seperate article, as described in your email, but an integral part of the entire "hood" that has been flipped back against the crown of the head and embellished with a contrasting fabric and jewels (the billiments). It's actually a really darn good theory when one tracks the evolution of the french hood, and it does aproximate the look of the earlier french hood styles really nicely. However... I just need one good picture of someone wearing a french hood made in this manner to convince me that it's actually workable. Not that I don't believe you guys... I just want picture proof. ;) Sarah Lorraine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 02:06:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29001 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:06:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g257n2a05241; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g257n1A24777; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g257mvA24761 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:48:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020305074856.SAHC7206.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:48:56 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry Shaw and other books Message-ID: <3C847865.24649.1DD473@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3C832B3F.19838.2EB007@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-description: Mail message body Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g257mvA24761 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:48:53 -0000 Status: RO On 4 Mar 2002 at 23:15, Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > > > Well, the one I'm interested in at present is a collection of C14 > > headdresses, on page 149 > > > > http://www.williams.nildram.co.uk/crafts/c14headdresses_sm.jpg > > This image was new to me. I'm intrigued by some of the expressions on the > ladies' faces, and wonder if they're faithful to the original! It did make me wonder what was happening in the scene they were watching! > The clothing and headdresses in the top and bottom rows are mostly within > the realm of possibility, if you ignore the waistline seams OK: I'm after headdresses in any case. > but you can find many examples from this period in other, more > reliable books, such as Margaret Scott's "Visual History of Costume: The > 14th and 15th Centuries," or Millia Davenport's "Book of Costume." Amazon is failing to find either of these :( Bookfinder isn't coming up with the Scott, but has found the Davenport. Prices from 16.90 (in Canada: add postage) up to silly money. Is this a "must have", in the opinion of the list? Are there "how to" web sites I should be looking at for my head-dresses? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 02:18:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18772 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25811a05746; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25811A27798; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01ps.bigpond.com (mta01ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2580lA27727 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:00:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.72]) by mta01ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSHQ9300.2CP for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:00:39 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-139.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.139]) by PSMAM02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 74/1815762); 05 Mar 2002 18:00:39 Message-ID: <3C85888F.98653D1C@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:10:07 -0800 Status: RO Sarah Lorriane wrote: > I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's Florigilium on > the topic of a unique method of constructing a french hood, described by > Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with > a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at > least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against > 99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french > hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the > evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually > morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know > anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further > clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! > > I can see an argument for this, as some of the hoods worn around 1500 in France and Flanders had soft turn-backs. However, some of them also had strange understructures that may also have evolved into a stiff brim. Needs more looking into. I think though, that even if the French hood evolved this way it was not made this way when say Anne Boleyn wore it. It seems quite clearly to have separate components then. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 02:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19033 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g258c2a06678; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g258c0A06375; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21404.mail.yahoo.com (web21404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g258bMA06169 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:37:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305083721.76306.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:37:21 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:37:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Regarding th copyright and fair use of material it is worth bearing in mind that the law on this matter is very different in different countries. In the UK as I understand it we are not allowed to use images, text (unless quoted) etc etc etc without the express permission of the owner. So it is worth knowing that if you use a graphic of an image (whether it is in a book or on the web) from a UK museum or gallery without their permission you could be prosecuted for copyright infingement. I know the NPG operates this policy but it is not too expensive to get the graphics licenced. They may not ask you to pay anything if you are using their images for educational rather than commercial purposes. Make any sense? Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 03:08:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19115 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:08:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g258p1a07015; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g258p0A09272; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g258oQA09192 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:50:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-116-104-modem.o1.com [66.81.116.104]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g258q7R00781 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:52:08 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305000432.00dd18e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020304192603.00bf3100@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:47:39 -0800 Status: RO >Welcome to the dark world of costuming websites... :) Doesn't look all that dark to me. I just looked at the web-sites of people on this list (most of us don't seem to have them), and I noticed lots of colour, photo-graphics, patterned backgrounds, animation, etc. My concept is much simpler than the ones I saw, so I hope it doesn't look too amateurish by comparison. >Again, it's all up to how "selfish" you feel about your work. The way I >look at it, the images on my website are free to whoever wants to look at >them and that opens me wide up for issues like the ones I've just described. >But, I knew that going into it, so it's not a major shock for me. Just know >what you're up against before putting anything on the site that might be A) >Offensive in some way (even the most benign stuff is bound to rub someone >the wrong way, and they're going to tell you about it) and B) So cool that >someone will be tempted to snatch the content and use it for their own >devious purposes. Some stuff I just own, I didn't make. Images of those things will be up there for all to see, and, presumably, download for non-commercial use. Other stuff I will have put long hours into, like class notes and mini-classes, and it would be nice if I got something back for my time. How do I work that? Hide the location, post a teaser, and say if they send a check I'll tell them where to look for the rest of it? Do it on the honour system, like the share-ware people do? >Number one thing that I think is absolutely crucial in a good costume site: >Pictures. Lots and lots of pictures of original work with good detailed >shots from different angles, worn by living models and plenty of discussion >on technique. That was my plan. I have lots of historical pieces that never see the light of day, so I want a place to show them to people who will care about them (antique handmade lace to show Leif, weird costumes to show Teddy, antique doll clothes to show Elizabeth, etc.) And most of the people on this list have seen none of my work, for all the talk I do, so I want a place to brag and show off. BTW, what's a 'costume ring'? >Have fun and drop us a link! > >Sarah Lorraine >http://homepage.mac.com/lithiate Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 03:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19311 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:39:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g259M1a08455; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g259M0A16371; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g259LUA16279 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:21:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-116-104-modem.o1.com [66.81.116.104]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g259NBR02855 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:23:11 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster In-Reply-To: <20020305083721.76306.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:21:13 -0800 Status: RO >Regarding th copyright and fair use of material it is worth bearing in >mind that the law on this >matter is very different in different countries. In the UK as I >understand it we are not allowed >to use images, text (unless quoted) etc etc etc without the express >permission of the owner. So >it is worth knowing that if you use a graphic of an image (whether it is >in a book or on the web) >from a UK museum or gallery without their permission you could be >prosecuted for copyright >infingement. I know the NPG operates this policy but it is not too >expensive to get the graphics >licenced. They may not ask you to pay anything if you are using their >images for educational >rather than commercial purposes. > >Make any sense? Yes it does, but those aren't the kinds of images I want to use. I have an early 1900's woman's magazine with an illustrated article on what 'stout' women should be wearing. I have an 1894 Butterick knitting book, with directions for sweaters with two different kinds of leg-of-mutton sleeves. I have a piece of cloth printed in 1925, it says, for embroidering then making up as a dress. Some of the printed stuff I have is from companies which went out of business decades ago. How does copyright work on things like these which had actual copyrights on them once? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 03:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19539 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:57:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g259e2a08882; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g259e1A20778; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g259dRA20639 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEZWLKAH3400CZ52@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:41:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEZWLJ0UIW00U6FU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:35:05 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:34:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:34:49 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... In-reply-to: <200203041902.g24J2RX24823@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5ACAB570234@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:34:49 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well, I did play around with this last night and I learned a few > things. First, this style of hood makes a dead-on replica of the > earliest french hood style that was somewhere between henin lappet and > french hood (the portrait of Catherine of Aragon as a young woman is a > good example). The other thing I learned is that it doesn't give > enough of a "coronet" effect. I wired the edge and it didn't help > much. Those of you who have made this work, how did you get the > turned back edge to "stand up", if you will, to give the appropriate > coronet, as with the later style of hood (1540's)? Is there still a > seperate structure that the hood part attaches to via the billiments > or am I just going about this all wrong? Hi Sarah, Have you tried putting your hair in two plaits that wind around each other across the top of your head towards the back - with that under the hood, the back of the turn-back part sould sit up on it at about the right angle. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 04:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19788 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:22:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25A52a09584; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25A51A26147; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25A4iA26088 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:04:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KEZXGQQ4B400TD0L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KEZXGNBIUI00U6FU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:06:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:00:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:59:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:59:09 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry Shaw and other books In-reply-to: <200203050923.g259NGA16688@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5AD133B588F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g25A4iA26088 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:59:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > but you can find many examples from this period in other, more > > reliable books, such as Margaret Scott's "Visual History of Costume: > > The 14th and 15th Centuries," or Millia Davenport's "Book of > > Costume." > > Amazon is failing to find either of these :( > Bookfinder isn't coming up with the Scott, but has found the > Davenport. Prices from £16.90 (in Canada: add postage) up to silly > money. Is this a "must have", in the opinion of the list? > > Are there "how to" web sites I should be looking at for my > head-dresses? Jane, How about seeing if your local library has them - or requesting them on Inter-Library Loan if they don't - that way you can have a look at them first and decide if they cover what you wnat and if they are worth paying out the money for. Teddy (doing the Librarian thing) Teddy Bibliographical Services Middlesex University Bounds Green Road London N11 2NQ Tel: (020) 8362 6405 E-mail: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 04:39:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19889 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:39:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25AM1a10257; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25AM1A12983; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21412.mail.yahoo.com (web21412.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25ALSA11405 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:21:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305102127.43758.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:21:27 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Kayta I would check with the publishers (if possible) to see if their copyright is still in force. There are a few guides on the net about UK copyright, and I presume other countries too. The length of time that a image remains in copyright varies, but I would imagine that 100 years would probably be the limit. Best to check though. Regarding the material, if you take a photograph of it then you own the copyright on that image so you are fine to put that on your site. Rachel --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > Yes it does, but those aren't the kinds of images I want to use. I have an > early 1900's woman's magazine with an illustrated article on what 'stout' > women should be wearing. I have an 1894 Butterick knitting book, with > directions for sweaters with two different kinds of leg-of-mutton > sleeves. I have a piece of cloth printed in 1925, it says, for > embroidering then making up as a dress. Some of the printed stuff I have > is from companies which went out of business decades ago. How does > copyright work on things like these which had actual copyrights on them once? > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 06:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20684 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:15:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Bv2a12927; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:57:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Bv0A04127; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Bu9A03821 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A125610FE6F for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ip4.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.4]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A98903A8007 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:58:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005001c1c43c$b0c3fa40$04604e40@suscom.net> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1C412.C7C4BF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Textile Tour Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:55:48 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1C412.C7C4BF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, I am so excited after tonight big adventure touring one of three = parts of the DuPont plant here in Richmond, VA. 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Oh, I am so excited after tonight big adventure touring one of = three=20 parts
of the DuPont plant here in Richmond, VA.  I wish all of = you could=20 have been
with us.  I learned so much.  There were 250 girl = and boy=20 scouts in our
group.  Very impressive that this many youngster = wanted to=20 learn about
textiles. 
 
Penny, your trip sounds very = interesting! Thanks=20 for sharing that! And how cool of the factory to handle a group that=20 size!
 
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Thought For The Day: There is a very = fine line=20 between "hobby" and "mental illness".
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C1C412.C7C4BF60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 06:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20711 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:19:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25C21a13158; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25C20A05260; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25C1OA05152 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:01:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.14]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020305120122.FCOR16132.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:01:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3C84B343.ECAAB8C5@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Tour References: <005001c1c43c$b0c3fa40$04604e40@suscom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:00:03 +0100 Status: RO Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > Dianne Thought For The Day: There is a very fine line between "hobby" > and "mental illness". > > You can say that again, i agree wholehearted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 07:04:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21002 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Cl2a14459; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Cl0A14791; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25CkvA14773 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 05:46:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g25CnMZ10359 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200203051249.g25CnMZ10359@jabberwock.wonderland.com> In-Reply-To: "from Chris Laning at Mar 4, 2002 11:00:24 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) Status: RO The one thing I keep being struck by is how many people keep saying "oh i'd love to do that period, but I have no place to wear it." That makes me SO SAD I cannot express it! If you want to do a period, and have no place to wear something, why don't you start a group to do that with? Your group doesn't even have to be specific to that time period, it could be like a lot of the local costumer's guilds and be for anyone interested in lots of periods, and fantasy... just get together 3-4 people in your area, start a local mailing list, at yahoo or topica.com, have a costumed picnic or a dress up day at a museum, and take some business cards with you with the mailing list info... after 2 or 3 outings you'll probably have enough people who'vee asked about your group and are interested that you can organize bigger events! I'd recommend seeing the greater bay area costumer's guild page for some great event ideas. http://www.gbacg.org/ I don't know -- I know I'm lucky to live in an area where there's lots of chances to do things, and plenty of events were it's ok to show up out of period if you've just finished something you really love ;) But seeing a hundred or so responses with the same theme just made me sad! .heather.meadows. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 08:54:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21541 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:54:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Ebia19685; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:37:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25EbfA17753; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:37:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25EWEA14831 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:32:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21512 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:04 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry Shaw and other books In-Reply-To: <3C847865.24649.1DD473@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id g25EWEA14831 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:04 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > > but you can find many examples from this period in other, more > > reliable books, such as Margaret Scott's "Visual History of Costume: The > > 14th and 15th Centuries," or Millia Davenport's "Book of Costume." > > Amazon is failing to find either of these :( Bookfinder isn't coming > up with the Scott, but has found the Davenport. Prices from £16.90 (in > Canada: add postage) up to silly money. Is this a "must have", in the > opinion of the list? Depends on how much research you intend to do. Davenport is a huge compendium of images of dress from all periods, all from period artwork no redrawings. But the images are all small and b/w. I use it as sort of an "index" to other images I can find elsewhere. For the serious costumer who needs a constant reference covering multiple periods, it's a must, but as you said, is hard to find and expensive. Scott's book focuses specifically on English costume of the 14th and 15th centuries and is VERY useful if you intend to do a lot of work in this period. She also uses only images from period artwork and sculpture, no redrawings. You may find it in your local library, either under that title, or bound into the compilation volume called "Visual History of Dress" that includes several authors' works on different centuries. I'd suggest you try library copies (ILL if needed) before you buy anything. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 09:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21637 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:02:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Ej7a20153; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:45:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Ej2A20617; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25EeHA18982 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:40:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 06:40:09 PST From: Angela Kovatch To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] copyright Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:40:09 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Another list I am on has recently been discussing copyright laws at some length. It was stated quite confidently (and repeatedly) on that list that, in the US, anything written/drawn/whatever before 1923 (I'm 90% certain of that date) is no longer copyrighted. Beyond that things get a little more confusing, because the law has been changed several times, and there are a couple of different categories, but I think a general rule is life of the artist plus 70 years. --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > How does > copyright work on things like these which had actual > copyrights on them once? If you draw/write/whatever something, it is copyrighted, whether or not the copyright has ever been registered. Registering the copyright simply allows you to prove that you thought of it first, should someone else claim it is theirs. Here is an informational site that can answer a few more questions: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html I'm not a lawyer either, but I hope this is at least a little helpful! -Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 09:35:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21885 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:35:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25FI3a22986; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25FI1A05804; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25FHRA05478 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-123-46-206.btinternet.com ([213.123.46.206] helo=dan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16iGgn-0006eb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:17:18 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c1c458$f42adb20$ce2e7bd5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] 450 years of lace exhibition Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:47:25 -0000 Status: RO Hi everyone, I don't know whether this is common knowlege, but the Allhallows Lace museum is hosting an exhibition covering 450 years of lace from 12 August to the 14 September 2002 in Honiton, Devon, England. http://www.honitonlace.com/2002/index.htm I found this via http://www.honitonlace.com which has a droolworthy selection of antique laces for sale, for non lacemakers, and antique equipment etc for people who make lace. best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 09:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21906 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:38:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25FL1a23219; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25FL0A07269; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25FKcA07095 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A2463880236; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:20:38 -0600 Message-ID: <000701c1c459$29110800$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:19:34 -0500 Status: RO We have actually discussed copyright law several times over the years in great length on the list. If anyone would like that information it is easy to find in the archives. The current date is 1927 and goes back 75 years. But you also have to be careful of violating a trademark. It a trademark has been renewed, you can not use a company's name without permission. If you choose to use the trademark without permission it is called trademark infringement. You can get in just as much trouble violating a trademark as much as a copyright. Read the article at the website I sent last night about the Playboy VS the Playmate. I think you will understand, it spells it out very clearly. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 09:57:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22099 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Fe2a25139; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Fe1A17019; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25Fd1A16533 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:39:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305153900.5479.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 07:39:00 PST From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200203051249.g25CnMZ10359@jabberwock.wonderland.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:39:00 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Heather Meadows wrote: > > The one thing I keep being struck by is how many people keep > saying "oh i'd love to do that period, but I have no place > to wear it." I have that problem too sometimes, but I have found a venue where just about anything goes, although it may not suit some listmembers. I will wear some of my period corsets/costumes to the local "goth" dance club and to "fetish balls." There are a few local promoters around here who have been doing special themed goth nights and fetish balls (in an effort to energize the scene in this small sleepy town). Sometimes I have a costume that coincides with the theme, sometimes I just wear whatever I want, and it can be as over-the-top as I want. One of these promoters wants to do a 1001 Arabian Nights theme this summer, and I can't wait to show off some of my middle-eastern duds. However, I DO wish I had a better place to do 18th c. clothing. The local "black powder" groups that I know of are funny about letting "unattached" women into their group. mirv ===== Megan Irvine Check out my new EBay store: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 10:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22152 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:05:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Fm3a26067; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Fm1A21268; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c016.snv.cp.net (c016-h003.c016.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25Fl7A20742 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:47:10 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 18147 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 07:47:01 -0800 Message-ID: <20020305154701.18146.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 5 Mar 2002 15:47:01 GMT Received: from [212.54.22.79] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 05 Mar 2002 07:47:01 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: riina vuokko X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: riina@altavista.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 5 Mar 2002 07:47:01 -0800 Status: RO > If you want to do a period, and have no place to wear something, > just get together 3-4 people in your area, start a local mailing list, Sounds easy enough but where do you find those 3-4 people? Might be possible in the States but I happen to live in Finland... and I used to live in Korea, where it would have been even more difficult. Actually, i moved back here just recently and haven´t really had the time to find out whether there are any events for the time period I´m interested in (basically anything from 1600 onward, but mostly 1750ish and early 20th cent.)I think not. Lucky you! Riina Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 10:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22204 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Fu1a26988; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Fu1A25858; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25Ft5A25396 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:55:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305155504.73256.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 07:55:04 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000701c1c459$29110800$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:55:04 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hmmm, I still have to read these publications in more detail, but I think I see where some confusion is coming in. Penny, you say > The current date is 1927 > and goes back 75 years. I believe that the rule had been that for works created before Jan. 1, 1978, the total copyright term was 75 years. However, in 1998 the "Sonny Bono" extension was enacted, adding 20 years onto every copyright term. This means that works created in 1923 would have expired in '98 (75 years), but works created in 1924 now have 95 years before they expire, which makes them good until 2019. But, I have heard that the Supreme Court is considering taking a closer look at the "Sonny Bono act," which could result in it being repealed or amended. > But you also have to be careful of violating a > trademark. Very good point here. Here's the government's website on trademarks, which I haven't looked at at all: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmlaw2.html Still not a lawyer- Angela __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 10:16:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22238 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:16:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Fx2a27311; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Fx1A27601; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25Fw9A27038 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:58:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203051558.g25Fw9A27038@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 3541 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 15:58:05 -0000 Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 15:58:05 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:58:02 +0000 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote : > We have actually discussed copyright law several times over the years in > great length on the list....The current date is 1927 and goes back 75 years. I thought someone just said that this only applies to the USA? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 10:17:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22253 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:17:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25G02a27463; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25G00A28278; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25FxPA27862 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:59:19 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.28 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:59:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.28] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2002 15:59:19.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5C08EB0:01C1C45E] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:59:19 -0500 Status: RO >From: Chris Laning > >experimenting with >cutting pieces of stiff paper into various shapes until you find >something that looks right and is flattering to your face. One thing I learned when making my first kokoshnik (a Russian headress that -vaguely- resembles a French hood) is to use plain old manilla file folders for this. They're nice and sturdy, and you can use the center crease to ensure that it comes out symmetric. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 10:41:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22395 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:41:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25GO5a29903; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GO1A12828; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:24:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GN8A12213 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:23:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjnDES3GCFnHdUWphdmi4uXi5BLEI5rFfw=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GU6BQ6MZ; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:20:43 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume Message-ID: <20020305.101956.-228253.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,8-9,14-21,23-26,28-33 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:19:56 -0600 Status: RO Hi Penny, Just let me know where the meeting will be and/or where the hotel you will be staying is and I will play friendly native guide and figure out a good place to meet and maybe have dinner or some such. I'm looking forward to meeting more cyber-friends in the flesh. (And don't forget that cemetery tour I promised you.....) Shameless Commercial Plug: And for everyone who is looking for a place to wear that costume they are dying to make, CostumeCon 21 will be Easter weekend 2003 here in beautiful, exotic (and kinda chilly right now) Chicago. This is for ALL types of costuming, all periods, all inspiration sources. Everyone is welcome!!! Karen Programming Chair- CC21 On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 02:06:56 -0500 "Penny Ladnier" writes: > Karen, > > You get to meet Susan and I in June for the Costume Society of > America meeting. I think Ann Wass is going to be there too! Anyone else > going to Chicago in June for CSA? > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 10:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22432 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25GV2a00942; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:31:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GV1A17102; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GUYA16841 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A2A98E01EC; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:30:33 -0600 Message-ID: <007301c1c462$edcc1aa0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200203051558.g25Fw9A27038@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:29:30 -0500 Status: RO Jane, Thank you for pointing that out. Different countries have different copyright laws. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Williams" To: Cc: "Jane Williams" Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright > Penny Ladnier wrote : > > > We have actually discussed copyright law several times over the years in > > great length on the list....The current date is 1927 and goes back 75 years. > > I thought someone just said that this only applies to the USA? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 11:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22519 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:04:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Gl5a02836; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:47:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Gl1A27438; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GkNA27066 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:46:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.125.188]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g25GkHC27533 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:46:18 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright Message-ID: <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:33:53 -0800 Status: RO > Another list I am on has recently been discussing > copyright laws at some length. It was stated quite > confidently (and repeatedly) on that list that, in the > US, anything written/drawn/whatever before 1923 (I'm > 90% certain of that date) is no longer copyrighted. Even with that you have to be careful, as the work in which the period piece appears may be copyrighted. (To paraphrase from the copyright class I took recently.) > Beyond that things get a little more confusing, > because the law has been changed several times, and > there are a couple of different categories, but I > think a general rule is life of the artist plus 70 > years. This is confusing, especially because it is currently changing so rapidly. There are statutes being struck down and raised, as well as court cases (such as the Corell one) which are changing a lot of things, especially for the Internet. > Here is an informational site that can answer a few > more questions: > > http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html There is also: http://www.copyright.com This is a site which was created at the request of Congress to help people comply with copyright law. http://www.libraries.psu.edu/avs/fairuse/default.html This site has information directly from CONFU, the Conference on Fair Use, discussing internet uses. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 11:04:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22527 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:04:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Gm0a02960; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GlxA28142; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:47:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GkTA27127 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.125.188]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g25GkPC27554 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:46:25 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" Message-ID: <3C8482F0.28102.255F637@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200203051249.g25CnMZ10359@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: "from Chris Laning at Mar 4, 2002 11:00:24 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:33:52 -0800 Status: RO > If you want to do a period, and have no place to wear something, > why don't you start a group to do that with? Because that takes so much time and effort (especially at the grass root stage when you don't even have 3-4 people to start with) that most of us do not have the wherewithal to do so. While I might have time to make a dress and wear it at an event, if I had to do such organizing, I wouldn't have time for either. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 11:05:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22535 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:05:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Gm7a02986; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:48:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Gm6A28251; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GkfA27258 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:46:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A671AFB0210; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:46:41 -0600 Message-ID: <007a01c1c465$2e1edc80$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020305155504.73256.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:45:37 -0500 Status: RO Angela, Drea has actually spoke with a lawyer about copyright issues. She's not on the list at the moment, but my understanding from chatting with her, copyright expiration dates are different for various types of publications... depending on what copyright law was in affect at the time. Recent copyright laws pertain to things that are published that are published in current time. There is an excellent webpage that covers copyright law timeline, http://arl.cni.org/info/frn/copy/timeline.html This webpage's master site is the Association of Research Libraries (Wash DC) is http://arl.cni.org/info/frn/copy/copytoc.html Lots of current information on copyrights. Enough said, back to work. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 11:07:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22550 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:07:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Go1a03225; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Go1A29508; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25GnCA29043 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g25GnAAq024702 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:49:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" In-Reply-To: <200203051249.g25CnMZ10359@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:49:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Good thought, Heather! In our area (greater Washington, DC area) we've got groups doing stuff that can be tied to the locale, like Revolutionary War, War of 1812, et cetera, but we've also got groups (all of the ones I'm involved in, come to think of it) that have no historical ties to the area whatsoever -- the group doing Thirty Years War (Germany), or 1745 Scotland, for instance. Someone decided they wanted to start a group, and just _did_ it! The Scottish group mostly goes to local Celtic and Scottish festivals as part of a Living History display. The Thirty Years War groups participate in "Military Timeline" events, where a local park will put together a "timeline" display of groups doing military impressions, ranging from, say, a unit of Roman Legionnaires, to Vikings, to World War II reenactors. The reason these events are military timeline events is because most of the folks who started them did so out of interest in the military history, but the displays are beginning to diversify and show civilian activities (like taverns, market displays, dyeing/spinning demos). I'm not sure how you'd go about establishing a purely civilian timeline event, since most reenactment groups do focus on military history. Anyway, if you have a couple of reenacting groups in your area, you might see if you can interest them, and a local park, in doing a 'timeline' event. I think the parks that host these events use them as a way to get visitors into the site. -- Mara On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > The one thing I keep being struck by is how many people keep > saying "oh i'd love to do that period, but I have no place > to wear it." > > That makes me SO SAD I cannot express it! > > If you want to do a period, and have no place to wear something, > why don't you start a group to do that with? Your group doesn't even > have to be specific to that time period, it could be like a lot of the local > costumer's guilds and be for anyone interested in lots of periods, and > fantasy... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 11:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22854 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:59:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Hg3a09531; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Hg1A04181; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Hf4A03578 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.158] (as3-4-172.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.158]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g25Hf2j27923 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:02 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:52:03 -0800 Status: RO At 8:55 PM -0800 3/4/02, Sarah Lorriane wrote: >Now, speaking as a website owner, I don't have a problem if someone links to >my site without asking permission or giving a heads-up. That's just my >personal feeling about it... As long as no one is plagerizing, I'm cool with >it (a quick search on google lets me keep tabs on who is using my site for >what reason). I haven't been completely ripped off at this point in time, >but I'm sure there's a good possibility of it happening. However, I don't >let it keep me up at night worrying about it. From practical experience (both mine and other people's), I can think of one reason for appreciating being asked before being linked to. If someone links to your site in a manner that brings you a heavy traffic of questions or requests that are enough out of your line of interest that they would be much more work than fun to answer, it can be a problem. (Either you try to answer the questions anyway and get annoyed, or you ignore them or brush them off, and then the questioners -- who might otherwise have gone to a website of someone who _was_ interested in their questions -- get annoyed.) I get a little taste of this with my historic name articles on the web (although I don't have a site of my own). Just today I traced down _one_ of the sources of some of my odd requests: someone told me that Ask Jeeves told her to ask me her "what does my Gaelic name mean" question. (I also get a lot of, "Can you trace my genealogy?" questions because people who run genealogy sites have linked to my articles.) Friends of mine who run medieval history sites have occasionally discovered that their sites have been linked to "people you can ask to do the research for your term paper that's due tomorrow" sites. So it can be of practical use to be given a chance to ok links, as long as you're willing occasionally to be the bad guy and say, "Sorry, but I think my material is enough off topic for your likely clientele that the link won't be useful to either party." Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 12:21:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22982 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:21:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25I44a12167; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25I41A17919; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:04:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-5.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-80.outblaze.com [205.158.62.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25I3TA17577 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:03:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 4110 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Mar 2002 18:03:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20020305180323.4108.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [156.41.168.26] by ws2-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for lithiate@earthlink.net; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:03:23 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm a costumer, not a webmaster X-Originating-Ip: 156.41.168.26 X-Originating-Server: ws2-5.us4.outblaze.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:03:23 +0800 Status: RO Heather Rose Jones writes: > > From practical experience (both mine and other people's), I can think > of one reason for appreciating being asked before being linked to. > If someone links to your site in a manner that brings you a heavy > traffic of questions or requests that are enough out of your line of > interest that they would be much more work than fun to answer, it can > be a problem. (Either you try to answer the questions anyway and get > annoyed, or you ignore them or brush them off, and then the > questioners -- who might otherwise have gone to a website of someone > who _was_ interested in their questions -- get annoyed.) Good point. I've dealt with this on an infrequent basis, but most of my mail is made up of kids looking for research material, or asking me to basically write the paper for them... > > I get a little taste of this with my historic name articles on the > web (although I don't have a site of my own). Just today I traced > down _one_ of the sources of some of my odd requests: someone told me > that Ask Jeeves told her to ask me her "what does my Gaelic name > mean" question. (I also get a lot of, "Can you trace my genealogy?" > questions because people who run genealogy sites have linked to my > articles.) Friends of mine who run medieval history sites have > occasionally discovered that their sites have been linked to "people > you can ask to do the research for your term paper that's due > tomorrow" sites. LOL. Yeah, my site must be on that list... Much of this problem was cleared up, however, when I posted a lengthly diatribe on my "About Me" page stating precisely what the site was there for and what I would and wouldn't do for the reader. I haven't been getting as much of the "research" email since I published the site, but I did get one interesting email last week from a professional costumer who took an awful lot of offense at my "condesending" tone of that particular page (she stopped short of calling me a "garb nazi", but leveled just about every other insult she could). I can sincerely see how that page might be taken the wrong way... I'm pretty brutally honest about what I do and what people can expect from the site and from me, and I suppose if you're in the wrong frame of mind it might come across as being something other than honest. Honestly, though, it was born out of sheer frustration with people who would email me and either beg me to make them a costume (f! lattering, really, but not what I do), offer to buy my costumes (again, flattering, but sorry they're not for sale) or harass me for information on "clothes from the midevill (sic) time" for their school reports. Sarah Lorraine -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 12:32:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23032 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:32:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25IF5a13802; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:15:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25IF2A25484; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25IERA25083 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:14:27 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14534 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 18:13:21 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (HELO ultra.sonic.net) (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 18:13:21 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d182.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.182]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g25IENR07974 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:14:23 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C850B7F.F34FA0E5@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright References: <20020305155504.73256.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:16:31 -0800 Status: RO The following website gives concise information on when US copyrighted works fall into the public domain: http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm Some comments on the various messages on this topic: The only way to find out whether registration for a work has been renewed is to do a search in the Copyright Office, have a professional search firm do it, or contact the creator of the work (or publisher, or someone with definite legal information) and ask them. You need to respect the copyright law of the country in which the work was copyrighted. According to my lawyer, if a work was copyrighted in two countries--say Great Britain and the US--you need to go by the longer copyright period of the two. Any additions or changes to a modern reprint of a public-domain work or works are copyrighted. This includes anthologies, editing of the original text or illustrations, addition of new materials, translations, etc. All our books are registered under modern copyright law. According to my lawyer, if a work is now clearly in the public domain, new legislation can't take it out of the public domain again. Changes extending the term of copyright were done before the copyrights of the works in question actually expired. Also, I believe that the term of modern copyright for a specific work can't be shortened by new legislation--that would apply to works created later. Generally, legislation has been extending copyright protection rather than otherwise. Although copyright laws periodically change and sometimes seem difficult for some laypersons to understand, they are laws and it is necessary to abide by them. (That is, it's not legal to throw up your hands and say, "It's all too confusing and might change anyway, so I'll just go ahead and use any material I find however I want.") Fran Grimble Angela Kovatch wrote: > Hmmm, I still have to read these publications in more > detail, but I think I see where some confusion is > coming in. Penny, you say > > > The current date is 1927 > > and goes back 75 years. > > I believe that the rule had been that for works > created before Jan. 1, 1978, the total copyright term > was 75 years. However, in 1998 the "Sonny Bono" > extension was enacted, adding 20 years onto every > copyright term. This means that works created in 1923 > would have expired in '98 (75 years), but works > created in 1924 now have 95 years before they expire, > which makes them good until 2019. > > But, I have heard that the Supreme Court is > considering taking a closer look at the "Sonny Bono > act," which could result in it being repealed or > amended. > --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23199 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:10:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Ir5a18883; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Ir2A21817; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:53:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25IpwA21048 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-116-16-modem.o1.com [66.81.116.16]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25IrcR00627 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:53:39 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305101420.00e22340@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright In-Reply-To: <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> References: <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:22:24 -0800 Status: RO >the work in which the >period piece appears may be copyrighted. That's my situation. The old magazine is the thing with the date on it. Since the material in it was new when the magazine was new, I was going by the date on the magazine. But my images of the old thing will be new, and my use will be for the benefit of researchers and not-for-profit, which should help my situation. Another thing which will help me is that I plan to use my own artwork wherever possible. I'm pretty sure I will own the rights to that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:10:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23203 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:10:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25IrSa18919; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:53:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25IrRA22113; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:53:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Iq3A21119 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:52:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-116-16-modem.o1.com [66.81.116.16]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25IrhR00633 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:53:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305102539.00c11580@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" In-Reply-To: <20020305154701.18146.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:38:54 -0800 Status: RO > > If you want to do a period, and have no place to wear something, > > just get together 3-4 people in your area, start a local mailing list, > >Sounds easy enough but where do you find those 3-4 people? Might be >possible in the States but I happen to live in Finland... and I used to >live in Korea, where it would have been even more difficult. Speaking as a former co-president of the South Bay Costumer's Guild, now defunct, it's not that easy even if you live in an area well populated by other costumers. You have to be good at running clubs, good at publicity, good at keeping the internal politics manageable, have plenty of time/money, and not politically offend anyone in the next-nearest chapter. (While our next-nearest chapter supported us in every way they could, a few vocal members of it saw us only as competition, not as more places to play.) And you have to plan and run events people want to attend. All of the above circumstances conspired against us, and we are no more. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23336 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:30:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25JD3a21160; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:13:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JD1A05303; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:13:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20409.mail.yahoo.com (web20409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25JCuA05185 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:12:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305191254.76137.qmail@web20409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:12:54 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sueded silk again To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:12:54 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Robin wrote: > If so, it would be > essentially equivalent to the effect of fulling on > wool -- as the fibers > stop lying flat and start to fluff up, the fabric > becomes thicker, and > loses some length and width. I have to admit I'm still a little dubious about this idea. In my mind, one of the "essential" qualities of fulled wool is that the fibers have locked together to some degree. I understand that this means it can be used (and was, at least some in history) as a method of finishing seams or edges of fabric. Think of the difference between a braid of fine blond (human) hair, with the ends of individual hairs sticking out along the braid, and a nice neat dreadlock of African hair (well, okay, that might be analogous to felt, but I think you can make dreadlocks by starting out with braids, which is analogous to fulling). They're both kinda fuzzy, but the braid can be picked out again. And the difference between the scaliness of wool fibers and the smoothness of silk fibers is even greater. Perhaps the shrinkage might, to some degree, mimic this effect of making the fabric less prone to fraying, as it would produce, in effect, a more tightly-woven cloth. Anyway, really interesting stuff about the difference between spun and reeled silk. -Angela --- Robin Netherton wrote: > Changing topics to my bizarre experience with a > herringbone "raw" silk > that "fulled," Gail quotes her friend again: > > > First: The "felted" silk. My friend says that the > commercial silk > > industry does all kinds of things to fabrics to > prepare them for > > market, and that you probably washed out the > sizing and perhaps other > > chemicals that controlled the fibers, allowing > them to do what they > > want. Spun silk is made up of "short" fibers, > which she says are > > longer than wool fibers but still relatively > short, all spun together. > > The ends of the silk fibers stick out just like > they do in spun wool, > > and depending on the quality of the silk that's > spun to begin with, > > they will behave different ways when allowed to. > Sizing, heat rolling, > > and other commercial treatments make the spun silk > stay flat like > > reeled silk, which is silk fibers reeled straight > from the cuccoon in > > immense lengths (up to 1/2 mile long!). > > There's no doubt that this piece was indeed a spun > silk, and that's > probably a fair explanation for the surface texture > change. I wonder if > this would explain the tremendous shrinkage I got, > too. If so, it would be > essentially equivalent to the effect of fulling on > wool -- as the fibers > stop lying flat and start to fluff up, the fabric > becomes thicker, and > loses some length and width. > > --Robin > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23348 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:34:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25JH2a21525; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JH1A07733; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JG2A07192 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-137-187.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.137.187] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16iKPo-0004WJ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:16:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000001c1c47a$4d21cec0$bb897ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <597552E7AC4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:03:50 -0000 Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm not a member of the SCA or any similar groups; I am a researcher at the Shakespeare Institute, Stratford upon Avon, and my research interests lie in costume matters primarily in Tudor and early Stuart, though I stray outside those time periods with great pleasure... I have learned, and intend to continue learning, a great deal from the huge range of ideas and information which comes up on h-cost, not least because costume history is completely ignored by a very large proportion of those who study Shakespeare and his collaborators and rivals. On Sunday, for example, I was at a research seminar at the Globe, and noted in the context of a potential anochronism references to codpieces in a play usually dated around 1597. I was assailed on all sides by people convinced, apparently on the basis of a hazy recollection of Henry VIII's "Champion the Wonder Horse" armour, that massive codpieces were de rigeur for all men in England well into the reign of Charles II. And then there was the question of what actually went into a codpiece... best wishes to all h-costians, whatever our backgrounds, Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23393 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:45:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25JR2a22577; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JR1A13466; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JPxA12926 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16iKZR-000KbS-0Y for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:25:58 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:24:32 +0000 Status: RO Chris Laning wrote >At 1:38 PM -0800 3/3/02, Sarah Lorriane wrote: >>I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's Florigilium on >>the topic of a unique method of constructing a french hood, described by >>Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with >>a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at >>least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against >>99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french >>hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the >>evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually >>morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know >>anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further >>clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! > > >I don't know too much about the theory, but I'll ask. I have this vague >feeling that earlier hoods like the gable or English hood do involve >pinning up lappets of a previous style, but I don't know what's >evolving from what. There are some pictures that definitely seem as if the English hood develops from the hennin with lappets (I'm sorry, I can't reference the pictures, but you could start from the Visual History books - they're usually my first source). I think maybe the French wore much more floaty linen with their hennins, but there's a very dark, sober English look with the V-necked gown and quite a small "flowerpot" with a very deep piece of velvet hung over it. The flowerpot gets shorter and the lappets become more pronounced, and sometimes angled at the front to give that gable look. The pictures that really persuaded me were ones of young girls, who sometimes wear just the lappets with their hair loose behind. In addition to one with the plain lappet, whose mother is wearing a flowerpot and V-neck gown, I found one (in the Museum of London, IIRC) of a girl wearing the front of an English hood, the lappets with the angles, with her hair loose behind in just the same way. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:49:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23422 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25JV1a22974; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JV0A15990; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25JUnA15861 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:30:49 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23931 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2002 19:29:44 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 5 Mar 2002 19:29:44 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d182.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.182]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g25JUlI31134 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:30:47 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C851D67.1B606FF0@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright References: <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020305101420.00e22340@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:32:55 -0800 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >the work in which the > >period piece appears may be copyrighted. > > That's my situation. The old magazine is the thing with the date on > it. Since the material in it was new when the magazine was new, I was > going by the date on the magazine. But my images of the old thing will be > new, and my use will be for the benefit of researchers and not-for-profit, > which should help my situation. Another thing which will help me is that I > plan to use my own artwork wherever possible. I'm pretty sure I will own > the rights to that. > I don't have your original message any more . . . but as to "for the benefit of researchers and not-for-profit." Neither in itself makes the use of copyrighted material legal. "Educational use" does not legally apply to just anyone wanting to learn something. "Fair use" for educational purposes actually seems to apply to formal classroom use and then only under certain circumstances (such as, there was not enough time to have students buy the text, only a certain quantity of the work may be used, etc.). "Not for profit"--what is at issue is whether the market for a copyrighted work is damaged by the use of it. Which can take place even if--or even because--the person reusing the work does not charge for it. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 13:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23438 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:53:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Ja1a23547; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Ja0A19262; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14002.mail.yahoo.com (web14002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25JZ3A18642 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:35:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305193502.27295.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.142.121.198] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:35:02 PST From: Joe Cool To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020302120622.B25756@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] unsubscribe/resubscribe later Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:35:02 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Whoops, this list has over 400 members. Hold on to your > mailboxes, people. Eliz, could you remind me how to unsub? Thanks! ===== --cin Cynthia hysteria95126@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 14:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23494 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:14:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Ju1a25579; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Ju0A02537; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25JttA02496 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:55:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:55:49 -0800 Received: from 141.213.6.28 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:55:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.28] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Report Back from DuPont TextileTour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2002 19:55:49.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF685120:01C1C47F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:55:49 -0500 Status: RO I've been stealing USPS envelopes from the mailroom at school for years for the Tyvek.... makes great stencils! Parsla >So I bet a lot of you are wondering what Tyvek is? You all have it in your >homes! The little labels on your furniture that states that this label can >not be removed under penalty of law. You have tried to remove it by hand >and it won't rip, then you have to cut it with scissors... that label's >textile is Tyvek. And strength is its #1 advantage! This textile is also >used for envelopes... the big soft white ones that are the dickens to open. >Guess who they were manufacturing Tyvek for tonight? UPS. They are going >to make envelopes out of the textile. Remember how I said it is the >dickens >to get into those Tyvek envelopes? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 15:11:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23884 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:11:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25KrDa02137; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:53:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Kr5A08632; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-68.outblaze.com [205.158.62.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25KqKA08147 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:52:20 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 80678 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Mar 2002 20:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20020305205212.80676.qmail@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [156.41.168.26] by ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for lithiate@earthlink.net; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 04:52:12 +0800 From: " Sarah Goodman" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... X-Originating-Ip: 156.41.168.26 X-Originating-Server: ws2-1.us4.outblaze.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 04:52:12 +0800 Status: RO Ironically, I actually put this same thing together this morning after someone on another list rather unintentionally mentioned the same theory about a version of the truncated hennin being the support for the french hood... Hehehehe. I'm really excited about this new development. I can't wait to see if it works... :) Thanks to everyone for all the help! Sarah -----Original Message----- From: Jean Waddie Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:24:32 +0000 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... > Chris Laning wrote > >At 1:38 PM -0800 3/3/02, Sarah Lorriane wrote: > >>I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's Florigilium on > >>the topic of a unique method of constructing a french hood, described by > >>Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a single piece of fabric with > >>a turned back "brim" that was shaped into the coronet structure (this is at > >>least what I was getting from her discription). This totally goes against > >>99% of what the rest of the costuming world has been doing with french > >>hoods, but her reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the > >>evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and gradually > >>morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. Does anyone know > >>anything else about this method, or if Susanna is reachable for further > >>clarification? I'm totally intregued by her idea! > > > > > >I don't know too much about the theory, but I'll ask. I have this vague > >feeling that earlier hoods like the gable or English hood do involve > >pinning up lappets of a previous style, but I don't know what's > >evolving from what. > > There are some pictures that definitely seem as if the English hood > develops from the hennin with lappets (I'm sorry, I can't reference the > pictures, but you could start from the Visual History books - they're > usually my first source). I think maybe the French wore much more > floaty linen with their hennins, but there's a very dark, sober English > look with the V-necked gown and quite a small "flowerpot" with a very > deep piece of velvet hung over it. The flowerpot gets shorter and the > lappets become more pronounced, and sometimes angled at the front to > give that gable look. The pictures that really persuaded me were ones of > young girls, who sometimes wear just the lappets with their hair loose > behind. In addition to one with the plain lappet, whose mother is > wearing a flowerpot and V-neck gown, I found one (in the Museum of > London, IIRC) of a girl wearing the front of an English hood, the > lappets with the angles, with her hair loose behind in just the same > way. > > Jean > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 15:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23972 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:27:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25LA8a04082; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:10:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LA1A19584; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11508.mail.yahoo.com (web11508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g25L9nA19455 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:09:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020305210947.8406.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:09:47 PST From: Megan Irvine To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:09:47 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I might have asked this question before...do any of you know of a cheaper source of corset coutil? I have been ordering from Greenberg and Hammer, but I am still looking for a better price. mirv ===== Megan Irvine Check out my new EBay store: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 15:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24054 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:35:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25LI2a05356; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LI1A24704; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LHEA24092 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:17:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.13.215]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g25LH8227517 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:17:09 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright Message-ID: <3C84C6D6.5467.35F3AF4@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020305101420.00e22340@mail.frys.com> References: <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:23:34 -0800 Status: RO > But my images of the old thing > will be new, and my use will be for the benefit of researchers and > not-for-profit, which should help my situation. That may not be of help to you. You really should either contact a copyright lawyer (not just a regular lawyer. That's like asking a pediatrician about cardiac bypass. I'm a pediatrician and it's very apt). Either that or go to one of the sites that has been mentioned (especially ones regarding fair use doctrine). I had always thought that I was pretty safe as long as I was not benefiting financially but it was for a not-for-profit organization, but that isn't always the case. Another thing which > will help me is that I plan to use my own artwork wherever possible. > I'm pretty sure I will own the rights to that. It depends on your artwork! I was very surprised when I took the copyright class to learn that if I did a line drawing based on an image still under copyright, that was considered copyright infringement. (The restriction is law is based on trademarks. Although I would never think of it as being a trademark, the applicable laws do consider it as such.) Another thing that I found interesting is that if I take an image or recipe or song for comparison to another image/recipe/song and do a detailed analysis of it, I'm not as likely to have violated copyright than if I had just put the image/recipe/song there. The comparison, evidently, is considered "critical review" or somesuch thing. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 15:38:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24114 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:38:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25LJGa05504; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:19:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LJ8A25310; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LHBA24060 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:17:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.13.215]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g25LH6227512 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... Message-ID: <3C84C6D6.27435.35F3B3A@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:23:34 -0800 Status: RO F > Chris Laning wrote > >At 1:38 PM -0800 3/3/02, Sarah Lorriane wrote: > >>I stumbled across an ancient message from 1994 on Stephen's > >>Florigilium on the topic of a unique method of constructing a french > >>hood, described by Susanna Richardson. Roughly, it consisted of a > >>single piece of fabric with a turned back "brim" that was shaped > >>into the coronet structure (this is at least what I was getting from > >>her discription). This totally goes against 99% of what the rest of > >>the costuming world has been doing with french hoods, but her > >>reasoning sounded pretty compelling... It had to do with the > >>evolution from the black lappets of the hennin being retained and > >>gradually morphing into the structure we consider the french hood. > >>Does anyone know anything else about this method, or if Susanna is > >>reachable for further clarification? I'm totally intregued by her > >>idea! > > > > > >I don't know too much about the theory, but I'll ask. I have this > >vague feeling that earlier hoods like the gable or English hood do > >involve pinning up lappets of a previous style, but I don't know > >what's evolving from what. Jean Waddie replied: > There are some pictures that definitely seem as if the English hood > develops from the hennin with lappets (I'm sorry, I can't reference > the pictures, but you could start from the Visual History books - > they're usually my first source). I think maybe the French wore much > more floaty linen with their hennins, but there's a very dark, sober > English look with the V-necked gown and quite a small "flowerpot" with > a very deep piece of velvet hung over it. The flowerpot gets shorter > and the lappets become more pronounced, and sometimes angled at the > front to give that gable look. The pictures that really persuaded me > were ones of young girls, who sometimes wear just the lappets with > their hair loose behind. In addition to one with the plain lappet, > whose mother is wearing a flowerpot and V-neck gown, I found one (in > the Museum of London, IIRC) of a girl wearing the front of an English > hood, the lappets with the angles, with her hair loose behind in just > the same way. I've been doing quite a bit of research on the French Hood over the last several years. I do believe it started out as a variation on the various types of hoods (which you see all over Europe in various shapes at the end of the 15th Century) but then developed into other things. In France they seem to have developed into a hood either attached to the top of a paste (which is the period name for the horseshoe) or having the paste laid on top of the hood. The biliments (which is the period term, but also spelled habiliments, billiments, bylyments and all sorts of other spellings in the inventories) was what held the hood and the paste together. The paste is listed separately in the inventories of Henry VIII (sometimes in combination with the biliments both upper and lower, sometimes with just one or the other), so I don't think it is just an turned back part of the hood, which is often listed separately as well. Also, one might think by my "either attached to the top or laid on" that I'm not sure which it is. Actually, I'm sure based on what I have found that both were done. The "attached to the top" method seems to be more common in the Anne Boleyn through Kateryne Parr period in time (but in France they seemed to have used the same methods during the same time period), but the laid on top method more common both before and after that. (Perhaps in that 15 to 20 year period they were experimenting with the other method. Whatever reason, it went both ways.) The same original hood in England developed very differently and used the lappets far more: the pedimented hoods, which then evolved into the gable hoods. (Which I've also been researching, but haven't quite got things worked out to my satisfaction on how they are put together. Although Jean's method is one of the closest I've found for them. Thanks, Jean, for the information. I got even more pics of those headdress wires from the MOL when I was in England in 1999. They have far more in storage than the two on display, although they pulled the ones from the display for me to photograph more closely.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 15:45:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24177 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:45:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25LS7a06326; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:28:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LS4A00435; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25LRXA00126 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:27:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id NAA27152 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 13:27:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020305132017.01b98608@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil? In-Reply-To: <20020305210947.8406.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:29:15 -0800 Status: RO I can't vouch for them, because I just googled "coutil" to see what came up, but there's a UK shop that seems to have pretty good prices: http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/index.htm I've only bought coutil from AlterYears, so I don't have a sense of what Greenberg and Hammer charge. A friend of mine found coutil very cheap in the shop at the Los Angeles Fashion Institute, in an odd shade of teal, so if you have some similar teaching institution handy, it might be worth checking to see if they sell off their end lots and such. At 01:09 PM 3/5/2002, you wrote: >I might have asked this question before...do any of you know of a >cheaper source of corset coutil? I have been ordering from Greenberg >and Hammer, but I am still looking for a better price. > >mirv > > >===== >Megan Irvine >Check out my new EBay store: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns >My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ >My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ >Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 16:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24490 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:28:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25MB5a11877; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25MB2A27039; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25MAIA26402 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id OAA00724 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020305141041.01b36d10@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory... In-Reply-To: <3C85888F.98653D1C@bigpond.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:12:01 -0800 Status: RO While those discussing this thread may not agree with the text of the following web page, it does provide a handy reference for pictures of various stages of the French hood: http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets/headwear/frenchhood.html Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 16:29:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24497 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:29:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25MC1a12014; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25MC0A27562; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25MBYA27306 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:11:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSI0037WTN4FV@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:11:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3C85431C.4020905@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:13:48 -0600 Status: RO Kat, Do you have pictures up anyplace on your french hoods? It would be fantastic to see them other than in a portrait. Thanks -- Linda Thompson www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 16:52:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24656 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:52:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25MZ2a14788; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25MZ1A12098; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25MYCA11623 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:34:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.164.64]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g25MY8204037 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:34:09 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting french hood theory Message-ID: <3C84D8FC.11773.3A62246@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C85431C.4020905@comcast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:41:00 -0800 Status: RO > Kat, > Do you have pictures up anyplace on your french hoods? It would be > fantastic to see them other than in a portrait. Sorry, I don't have a website (and for copyright reasons would never put my article or documentation on the web). I've made several of them but I only show one (because the others have things that I don't like people to emulate, like embroidery on the paste, which I can't find *any* documentation for. Goldsmith work abounds, but not the embroidery type of goldwork. A friend of mine keeps telling me that she will take pictures and put them on her website, but it never seems to get done. (And it's pretty hard to catch me holding still for a picture. There's a reason I was a runway model as a child, not a catalog model! I am anything but photogenic.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 17:01:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24704 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:01:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Mi9a15920; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:44:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Mi4A17764; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Mh3A17167 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:43:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.65.178.96] ([68.65.178.96]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GSIV3J00.J6P for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:42:55 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020303233916.00e565f0@mail.frys.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:42:54 -0500 Status: RO >> just about every extreme, and then some:) > > Everyone seems to have their own authenticity bug. And people who are > authentic in one field are usually not in some other field. My costumes > are such that I get called a 'costume Laurel' in the SCA, and I've been a > historical judge at 3 different CostumeCons. OTOH, at mealtimes I sneak > off to my car, open a can of something, and stick the spoon right in it to > eat, no heat, no preparation. (An 'iced tea' spoon will reach all the way > to the bottom of a can of soup and still stick out far enough to not get > your fingers icky.) I am in awe of real cooks. > > Kayta Many of my local friends are cooking laurels/apprentices who go to events loaded w/enough food to feed everyone there. Oddly enough, they wonder how I can go to an event with just my garb, coronet and a goblet. Why cook when you don't have to?! laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 18:13:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24931 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:13:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Nu5a23148; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:56:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25Nu1A27863; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25NtLA27414 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:55:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-113-170-modem.o1.com [66.81.113.170]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25Nv4R20295 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:57:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305145052.00bf7460@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Report Back from DuPont TextileTour In-Reply-To: <006401c1c40b$ec44c9e0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:56:14 -0800 Status: RO Try 'hover-craft'. >The supervisors ride around in huba-crafts (sp). They are >magnetically charged and float around about an inch off of the floor.... so >Star War-ish! I mostly know about Tyvek from construction, where sheets of it are used as water barriers inside walls. Did they say how to clean Tyvek windbreakers? Spot-cleaned with a sponge? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 18:13:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24935 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:13:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g25Nuqa23274; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25NupA28367; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:56:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g25NtMA27425 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:55:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-113-170-modem.o1.com [66.81.113.170]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25Nv6R20299 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:57:06 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305145733.00c12610@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright In-Reply-To: <3C84C6D6.5467.35F3AF4@localhost> References: <4.3.1.2.20020305101420.00e22340@mail.frys.com> <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:31:37 -0800 Status: RO > Another thing which > > will help me is that I plan to use my own artwork wherever possible. > > I'm pretty sure I will own the rights to that. > >It depends on your artwork! > >I was very surprised when I took the copyright class to learn that if I >did a line drawing based on an image still under copyright, that was >considered copyright infringement. Well, at least I got one thing right. I was thinking of creating my own incidental graphics for the site, and putting up some of my original graphic work, none of which is based on copyrighted material. In addition, I was thinking of doing a Janet Arnold/Nancy Bradfield on some of my antique garments, for when the photos need a little clarification. All you other website owners must have had tons of fun checking everything on your own websites. I'll start with nothing published after my mother was born (1924), I'll visit all those copyright sites you folks mentioned, and then we'll see what I actually get to use.. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 18:26:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24978 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:26:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26091a24401; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:09:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26090A04760; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2608FA04456 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-113-170-modem.o1.com [66.81.113.170]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2609xR22569 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:09:59 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020305155541.00cbb170@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: playing at different levels (was Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020303233916.00e565f0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:07:48 -0800 Status: RO >Many of my local friends are cooking laurels/apprentices who go to events >loaded w/enough food to feed everyone there. Oddly enough, they wonder how I >can go to an event with just my garb, coronet and a goblet. Why cook when >you don't have to?! I don't have a coronet, but I do have a plate, bowl, and spoon. Other than that I couldn't agree with you more. I do have a fairly authentic set of clothes for when it's my turn to work in the kitchen-like-place my old group at Ren. Faire had. I volunteer to do my share washing dishes and carrying filled bowls out and empty ones back, and the real cook-types like that. Cooking-costume content: real cooks tell me that they wear wool aprons when cooking on campfires/open hearths, because wool deals best (=most safely) with flying sparks. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 18:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25034 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:42:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g260N3a25661; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g260N2A11554; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:23:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g260MrA11460 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:22:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24560 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:40:40 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020305145733.00c12610@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:40:40 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > All you other website owners must have had tons of fun checking > everything on your own websites. I'll start with nothing published > after my mother was born (1924), I'll visit all those copyright sites > you folks mentioned, and then we'll see what I actually get to use.. My impression is that many website owners *don't* do such checking. I'm rather disturbed to see just how many images of artworks, pattern sketches, etc. are lifted from museum sites, in-copyright books, etc. and reproduced on costume websites. Just because an image comes from a centuries-old book or painting doesn't mean that the photograph of it is not under copyright. (Though there was a very recent court decision, now under appea; I think, that presented the possibility that reproductions of out-of-copyright two-dimensional artwork are themselves not copyrightable. The validity and application of this premise remains to be determined.) In any case, it's easy enough to link to an existing museum site if you want to show people an artwork that's already webbed. Not long ago, a friend of mine found that costume drawings she had made for a class handout (and posted on her own website) had been re-posted, without her knowledge, to a yahoo group, to be used as a reference by members of that group. She was not averse to sharing the information, but she was disturbed that it was reprinted without the context of the rest of the article, and improperly credited too. She pointed out to the reposter that it would be more useful to simply refer people to her own website, but I believe the reposter responded by simply correcting the credit line. Giving credit does not relieve you of the need to get permission to repost someone's work. I note my copyright on all handouts I do for my lectures, not because I'm trying to withhold material, but because I want to approve its use and reproduction in controlled contexts. I provide my contact information and ask explictly that the material not be reproduced without my permission. Many of my lectures are for SCA groups, and there is an strong culture of information-sharing in the SCA. This in itself is admirable, but I have found it also leads to a lot of Xeroxing and emailing and wholesale distribution of materials in the name of "helping people," without an understanding that copyright still applies even if you are not getting money, even if you're in a nonprofit educational organization, and even if your motives are pure. Interestingly, I found much the same culture when I worked for a magazine published by a branch of the U.S. government. Materials prepared by U.S. government employees for U.S. government publications are free of copyright and may be reproduced at will, but our magazine included third-party photos and artwork for which we had to pay for permissions for one-time use. Periodically we'd discover that another government publication had seen something in our magazine ... and picked it up, uncredited, for their own publications, under the assumption that if it was in a government publication it was theirs to use. I thought of this when a photographer friend of mine found that some of his copyrighted photos of an SCA event had been picked up and reposted, uncredited, on an SCA website -- the site owners apparently thought that all SCA photos were fair game for use by all SCA branches. Gaak... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 19:03:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25165 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:03:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g260j5a27488; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g260j1A20983; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:45:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g260iXA20787 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:44:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p130-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.130]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA05592 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:44:27 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p130-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.130] claimed to be user Message-ID: <00ae01c1c4a7$ebd56d60$82d4adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:43:21 +1300 Status: RO > Even with that you have to be careful, as the work in which the > period piece appears may be copyrighted. (To paraphrase from the > copyright class I took recently.) A nice example of this, is the musical Phantom of the Opera. All the characters costumes, sets etc are the property of the RUG, and even when they end a show and dump items in the trash, they are able to charge people collecting them: reselling or keeping as collectors items. And the actual creation of the show is interesting, in this reagrds too. ALW found an original printing of the book (1911) and was able to write the play because that book was out of copyright. Never mind there were reprintings that were within copyright. That was 1985 in England and as discussed the laws are really confusing and different over time and place. I just found it interesting in light of this discussion. Also, I found in some older collector doll magazines a mass produced doll so obviously based on the idea of a OOAK, but with no mention of them procuring rights etc, or explaining their inspiration. I have yet to discover what came about from that. michaela http://recital.tripod.com so how does this affect people who recreate a costume? With self drafted patterns that obviously deiate from the original with fabrics that are only in passing the same. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 20:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25460 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:06:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g261n7a02004; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g261n1A19443; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g261mxA19424 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A57630F01F4; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:48:38 -0600 Message-ID: <015201c1c4b0$77eb92e0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020305145052.00bf7460@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Report Back from DuPont TextileTour X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:44:34 -0500 Status: RO Kayta, The only thing they said was that the winder breakers could be machine washed but only about 6 times. After that the textile would start breaking down. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 20:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25585 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:38:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g262L1a04293; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g262L0A02170; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:21:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g262KmA02106 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:20:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from downward ([206.170.33.115]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GSJ00IT656MKW@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:20:48 -0800 (PST) From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <00ac01c1c4b5$86c5d000$7321aace@downward> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 18:20:45 -0800 Status: RO Not SCA. Was part of the California Ren. Faire for 23 years, now retired. I'm still working the Dickens Faire in San Francisco and the smaller ren fair in San Luis Obispo. LynnD ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume > > In a message dated 2/3/02 7:31:43 AM, margali@99main.com writes: > > << > I've been noticing a lot of h-costume conversations lately geared toward > SCA activities. I get so much out the higher level, 'scholarly' type threads > here, and I guess I just want to keep it that way. >> > > Just out of curiosity-what's the ratio on this list? Everybody on list send > in an e-mail listing your affiliation, preferred year, preferred activity. If > you belong to more than one group, include all the groups you play with and > each will get a fraction toward the total. I'll keep a tally and send the > numbers in when I'm done. Perhaps the reason for the SCA geared threads is > there are more Scadians on list than others or that the Scadians are just > chattier/more vocal. > Lady G > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 21:35:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25846 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:35:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g263I2a07768; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g263I0A22451; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (mnmai05.mn.ipsvc.net [24.131.1.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g263HqA22410 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:17:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.mediaone.net (c-24-245-41-28.mn.mediaone.net [24.245.41.28] (may be forged)) by mnmai05.mn.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g263Ibb29529 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:18:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020305211731.02ab08a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> X-Sender: dannw@pop.mn.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume In-Reply-To: <008201c1c414$563e5480$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> References: <20020304.070949.-305305.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:18:24 -0600 Status: RO I thought the CSA meeting was in Minneapolis? Or am I confusing it with Ars Textrina? I was planning to go... Cheers, Danielle At 02:06 AM 3/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Karen, > >You get to meet Susan and I in June for the Costume Society of America >meeting. I think Ann Wass is going to be there too! Anyone else going to >Chicago in June for CSA? > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > I've been on h-costume since summer of '97, and I've enjoyed both the > > discussions we've had on the board, and meeting folks from the list in > > person (Hi Teddy, Mel, Danielle, Melanie, Drea, Deb, and everyone else > > I've had the pleasure of meeting). This list is a constant source of > > inspiration! > > > > > > Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 21:58:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25885 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:58:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g263f0a09297; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g263f0A01473; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g263eDA01164 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:40:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id AF9E6F1026C; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:40:14 -0600 Message-ID: <01be01c1c4bf$d0db11a0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020304.070949.-305305.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20020305211731.02ab08a0@pop.mn.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:34:25 -0500 Status: RO Danielle, CSA National is in Chicago the first week of June. You might be thinking of a region's meeting. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Nunn-Weinberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume > I thought the CSA meeting was in Minneapolis? Or am I confusing it with > Ars Textrina? I was planning to go... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > At 02:06 AM 3/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Karen, > > > >You get to meet Susan and I in June for the Costume Society of America > >meeting. I think Ann Wass is going to be there too! Anyone else going to > >Chicago in June for CSA? > > > >Penny Ladnier > >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > >http://www.costumegallery.com > >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > > > > > I've been on h-costume since summer of '97, and I've enjoyed both the > > > discussions we've had on the board, and meeting folks from the list in > > > person (Hi Teddy, Mel, Danielle, Melanie, Drea, Deb, and everyone else > > > I've had the pleasure of meeting). This list is a constant source of > > > inspiration! > > > > > > > > > Karen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 23:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26117 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:10:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g264rCa13693; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:53:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g264r1A29703; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g264qOA29504 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:52:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 19204098 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 00:00:43 -0500 Message-ID: <008e01c1c4ca$bbb936c0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <20020305.101956.-228253.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Eliz. corset question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:52:34 -0600 Status: RO I have a question for the corset-makers out there... A friend has been having difficulties constructing a corset for herself. She explains the problem as that she is pear-shaped, and so the corsets she has made tend to ride up on her. Or as she described it (paraphrase) "I don't have any sort of hourglass shape in the waist to keep the corset where it belongs." If she can get a corset to fit, it flattens her out more than what she is looking for. (She basically wants *some* cleavage, and it tends to create *none*). She said she tried Drea's pattern generator, but it did not work out well. I have not yet seen her attempts, so I can't give much more details than that. It sounds like she needs something that will keep the corset sitting where it is supposed to. I do not have this problem, as I am quite hourglass shaped and the corset stays just fine :-) Any hints, tips, instructions, details that we can use to draft up a corset that will work for her? Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 5 23:55:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26333 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:55:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g265d2a16098; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g265d1A15305; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g265bqA14933 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:37:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a234.in-tch.com [66.62.107.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g265PrT25624 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:25:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C85AC48.C3DE89E4@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume References: <20020304.070949.-305305.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> <008201c1c414$563e5480$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:42:32 -0700 Status: RO No, not me....*sigh*....I actually think the next time I'm traveling out of town for anything (at all) will be July, when I'm headed up to Canada for an SCA event. I'm trying really, really hard to be a good girl, and save all my money and vacation time for my trip to England this September..... --Sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Karen, > > You get to meet Susan and I in June for the Costume Society of America > meeting. I think Ann Wass is going to be there too! Anyone else going to > Chicago in June for CSA? > > Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 00:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26504 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:40:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g266N2a18540; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:23:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g266N0A28252; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:23:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (mail2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g266MBA27811 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 16224 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 06:22:04 -0000 Received: from 22.3-1.mcc.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO joanjura) (207.12.32.22) by mail2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 06:22:04 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020305220058.00b12500@mail2.quiknet.com> X-Sender: joanj@mail2.quiknet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan M Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 22:21:31 -0800 Status: RO Back in about 1978 I attended my first Northern Renaissance Pleasure Faire. And was hooked! I started out with the Scottish group (Clan Colin, no longer at Faire; then helped found St. Brigid's, also no longer at Faire), then joined the Guild of St. George, portraying a member of Queen Elizabeth's Court. Been doing that ever since. Love it! My next group was the SCA. I retained my liking for 16th Century English-Scottish history. I've been toying with the idea of getting back into active status (a lot of that is due to Robin Netherton's very interesting discussions on the 4-panel Gothic dress that sounds *very* comfortable for SCA camping uses). Then there is my by now 20+-year-old interest in pre-Gold Rush California; at Sutter's Fort we represent 1846. I am a member of the Women's Costume Committee. This is the group I like to hand-sew my garments for (mainly because I *like* handsewing ); many of them think I'm nuts, but h-costumers understand. I have also, at various times, participated in the Dickens Christmas Fair (not as often as I would like due to the distance from home and the fact I still need to work full-time). My latest venture is as a founding member of the Greater Sacramento Area Costumers' Guild (GSACG). I can second Kayta's statements about the amount of work even a small club requires. We are still hanging in there and going into our 3rd (!) year. But you do need dedicated people who have the time, energy, and talent to organize things. I don't exactly remember how I found out about h-costume, but it's one of my favorite discussion lists. And you keep bringing up fascinating bits that make me want to try out *lots* of different places and times. It's great fun having discussions with people from all around the world. I'm just thinking about the fact that in less than 3 years I will be able to retire from my State job. The world will open even more... Joan Jurancich Sacramento, CA joanj@quiknet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 00:56:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26594 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:56:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g266e2a19169; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g266e1A02580; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g266dSA02449 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:39:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjnDES3GCFnHzEpbuAax0LaPPvTWJ7LJGQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GU7UUG93; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 01:38:52 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eliz. corset question Message-ID: <20020306.003732.-305305.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:37:32 -0600 Status: RO Has she tried shortening the bodies by an inch or two? It might not be a tightness issue, it might be a hip issue. If she is very 'pear shaped', the motion of her hips while walking (dancing?) might be pushing the corset up. Just a thought. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 01:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26671 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:23:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26772a20350; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26770A09337; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2676DA09110 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:06:13 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2678aB16047 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:08:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200203060708.g2678aB16047@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] unsubscribe/resubscribe later In-Reply-To: <20020305193502.27295.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> "from Joe Cool at Mar 5, 2002 11:35:02 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:08:36 -0800 (PST) Status: RO It's right in the mail headers of every piece of mail sent to the list; > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: , > > List-Id: Re-creating period costume, > > > > Whoops, this list has over 400 members. Hold on to your > > mailboxes, people. > > Eliz, > could you remind me how to unsub? Thanks! > > > ===== > --cin > Cynthia > hysteria95126@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 02:53:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22856 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:53:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g268b2a23294; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g268b1A00728; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21403.mail.yahoo.com (web21403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g268arA00670 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:36:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020306083652.74171.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:36:52 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK Copyright (Was: I'm a costumer, not a webmaster) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020305180323.4108.qmail@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:36:52 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Following on from the discussion on copyright issues in different countries I found the following site which has a brief run-down on the state of things this side of the pond. http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/ Basically copyright lasts for 70 years after the death of the author. There are a number of things that you should be aware of. It is actaully copyright infrigement to download anything off the internet without the express permission of the owner as it is classified as copying. I believe this applies equally for anything that originates in the UK and the EC. Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 03:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22940 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g268o1a23711; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g268o1A03808; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:50:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g268n5A03470 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.05) id A803196024C; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 02:49:07 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c1c4e9$d38027e0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020306083652.74171.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK Copyright (Was: I'm a costumer, not a webmaster) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:35:08 -0500 Status: RO So this is why all the British students write me! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK Copyright (Was: I'm a costumer, not a webmaster) > Following on from the discussion on copyright issues in different countries I found the following > site which has a brief run-down on the state of things this side of the pond. > http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/ > > Basically copyright lasts for 70 years after the death of the author. There are a number of > things that you should be aware of. It is actaully copyright infrigement to download anything off > the internet without the express permission of the owner as it is classified as copying. I > believe this applies equally for anything that originates in the UK and the EC. > > Rachel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 04:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA23314 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:10:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g269r3a26011; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:53:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g269r1A18291; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:53:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g269qDA18126 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:52:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203060952.g269qDA18126@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 5924 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 09:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 09:52:12 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK Copyright (Was: I'm a costumer, not a webmaster) From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:52:10 +0000 Status: RO > > It is actaully copyright infrigement > to download anything off > > the internet without the express permission of the owner as it is > classified as copying. I > > believe this applies equally for anything that originates in the UK and > the EC. Penny Ladnier wrote : > So this is why all the British students write me! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com More likely to be the quality of your site. Or its listing on search engines. Or both. I can't see anything on your front page that screams "this is American!", so I doubt if they know or care what country you're in. That's the great thing about the INTERnet: it's international. Of course, when it comes to law, this does get complicated. In my day job, I work for an American company, but I'm British and based in Britain. We run web-sites aimed at German, French and various other European countries. The web servers are in Britain, the company is American, but we sell and operate under the laws of whichever country the customer's in: so if someone in (say) China copies a picture off a French site, whose laws do they get done under? I dunno. I leave that to our legal department. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 05:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23521 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:11:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26At3a27447; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26At1A15487; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sodium.golden.net (sodium.golden.net [199.166.210.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26AswA15472 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 03:54:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-08.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.8]) by sodium.golden.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id g26Asuh14092 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:54:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003401c1c4fd$8e4f0d80$0807d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200203052129.g25LT8A01031@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re:better sources for corset coutil? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:52:51 -0500 Status: RO You might try Farthingales www.farthingales.on.ca for corset coutil. Their services and prices are good. I know she ships anywhere. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 05:27:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23579 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:27:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26BB1a27877; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26BB1A19160; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26BA5A19009 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:10:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-125.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.125]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872B07C14 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:09:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C85FB93.11BB7A44@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fabrick question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:20:52 +0100 Status: RO Hi, I bought white cotton damast and painted it. I wanted to make it a warm yellow but it turned out orange. Yes! Orange! I don't know what I can do with it. Is this fabrick o.k. for an Italian renaissance dress? Or is the pattern too modern? The colour to orange? I think it will look great with an over dress of dark green. Mmmm.... http://members.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/fabrick Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 08:08:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24378 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:08:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26Dp4a03294; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26Dp0A25586; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g26DoJA25456 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 06:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 32178 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 13:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.238.182) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 13:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3C861EA4.2168FFBF@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:50:29 -0600 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > Not long ago, a friend of mine found that costume drawings she had made > for a class handout (and posted on her own website) had been re-posted, > without her knowledge, to a yahoo group, to be used as a reference by > members of that group. She was not averse to sharing the information, but > she was disturbed that it was reprinted without the context of the rest of > the article, and improperly credited too. I have come across another costume website that has grabbed a photo of me from my site (of me in my Elizabethan underwear, no less!), and posted it to their site. They didn't ask my permission that I recall, but at least they credit it to me and put a link to my site right beside it. Another imaginative soul had taken my houppelande photo and pasted Queen Amidala's head on it for a future Star Wars fashions site! Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 08:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24544 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:36:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26EK4a05031; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26EK1A05138; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26EJmA05068 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:19:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.191.34c50bb (4216) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <191.34c50bb.29b77f79@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Why are you on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:19:37 EST Status: RO In a message dated 3/5/2002 10:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dannw@mediaone.net writes: << thought the CSA meeting was in Minneapolis? Or am I confusing it with Ars Textrina? I was planning to go... >> CSA is in Chicago, at the Drake Hotel, June 5-8. It may be Ars Textrina that is in Minneapolis--I don't keep up with it anymore. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 08:50:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24624 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:50:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26EY2a05928; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26EY1A09790; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26EXnA09717 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:33:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a246.in-tch.com [66.62.107.46]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g26ELsT10135 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:21:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C8629E9.8D922E21@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabrick question References: <3C85FB93.11BB7A44@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:38:33 -0700 Status: RO I'm sure that people like Teddy and Danielle would be glad to "adopt" it and give it a good home for you --Sue Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > Hi, > > I bought white cotton damast and painted it. > I wanted to make it a warm yellow but it turned out orange. > Yes! Orange! > > I don't know what I can do with it. > Is this fabrick o.k. for an Italian renaissance dress? > Or is the pattern too modern? > The colour to orange? > I think it will look great with an over dress of dark green. > Mmmm.... > > http://members.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/fabrick > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 08:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24643 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:54:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26Ec1a06208; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26Ec1A11200; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26Eb4A10885 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 07:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pool-63.52.146.73.dlls.grid.net ([63.52.146.73] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16icXO-0002Zg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 06:37:03 -0800 Message-ID: <3C862C6E.8080303@earthlink.net> From: Magdalena User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 08:49:18 -0600 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > >Giving credit does not relieve you of the need to get permission to repost >someone's work. > Two words. "Fair Use" I'm not particularly disagreeing with your post, but we do have to remember fair use lest the government finish destroying the concept. Fair Use says that if I use a small portion of your work, such that it does not destroy the value of your work, and I credit you and the specific work I am quoting, it is legal. So, if I use the miniscule portion that pertains to sixteenth century shirts of a large costume book on my website with proper attributions, I am covered by fair use. If I scan Janet Arnold's article on sixteenth and seventeenth century shirts & post it, I am really, really violating copyright. If I use one of her diagrams from the article, I am in the grey area. If I took Kipar's picture of the columbine boy's shirt, that would be a violation. Besides, it takes me less space to link to it. ;> If I use a closeup picture of the armpit from Levy's lace book, I haven't destroyed the value of the book. If I were to finally get my hands on the New Caroligian Modelbook, and scanned the needlework pattern from the columbine shirt, I would be damaging the value of the book. All that said, I'm not really disagreeing with your post. You just hadn';t mentioned fair use, and it _is_ important. -Magdalena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 09:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24868 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 09:24:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26F82a08428; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26F81A23689; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26F7fA23540 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:07:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16a.9dd074f (25508) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <16a.9dd074f.29b78aac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:07:24 EST Status: RO A revision of the copyright law is under consideration in the U.S. Congress. It is particularly interesting because it would involve extending rights yet again. And it seems that, philosophically, not only are copyright laws designed to protect the creator, but also to insure public access and, eventually, public domain. There is debate as to whether it is fair to keep retroactively extending copyright, virtually forever, as the whole idea orignally was that, eventually, rights would expire and the public would have free access. I'm not sure when this is set to come before Congress again or what the outcome will be--just heard a snippet of this discussion on NPR. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 11:36:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26002 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:36:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26HI3a23120; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26HI0A09161; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26HH9A08476 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:17:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27831 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:35:03 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright In-Reply-To: <3C862C6E.8080303@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:35:03 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I wrote: > >Giving credit does not relieve you of the need to get permission to repost > >someone's work. Magdalena reminded us: > Fair Use says that if I use a small portion of > your work, such that it does not destroy the value of your work, and I > credit you and the specific work I am quoting, it is legal. ... > All that said, I'm not really disagreeing with your post. You just > hadn';t mentioned fair use, and it _is_ important. Yes, that's true, but let me elaborate on that further. I've spent my lifetime in the publishing business, and have come to be acutely aware that the *context* in which you use something is as important to a judge's determination of fair use as is the quantity and proportion of material re-used. Fair use is generally understood only to apply in cases of criticism, review, or scholarship. So, if I'm analyzing a book in an article for an academic journal or a review for a magazine, I can quote snippets from it (though not a whole chapter!). But I might not be able to reprint the same material in another context. In my earlier post I described this situation: > Not long ago, a friend of mine found that costume drawings she had > made for a class handout (and posted on her own website) had been > re-posted, without her knowledge, to a yahoo group, to be used as a > reference by members of that group. She was not averse to sharing the > information, but she was disturbed that it was reprinted without the > context of the rest of the article, and improperly credited too. She > pointed out to the reposter that it would be more useful to simply > refer people to her own website, but I believe the reposter responded > by simply correcting the credit line. Giving credit does not relieve > you of the need to get permission to repost someone's work. In this case, the reposter simply took a diagram of a garment construction from my friend's handout and stuck it into the Files section of that Yahoo group. The only text on it was the caption, which was amended to say something like "Construction of a 16th-century shirt, drawn by Mary Jones." (though it wasn't a shirt, and her name isn't Mary Jones.) The reposter put a post out at the same time to alert people that she had added this to the files, but there was no discussion of the validity, source, or context of the image, and even if there had been, the discussion would not be apparent to people who went through the Files section at a later date and found the image. Lacking any clear context of analysis or discussion, the credit alone was not sufficient for the reposter to claim fair use -- it was a clear violation. I have since noticed that there are many such images stuck in the Files sections of certain groups, including images of historic artworks that are most likely taken from museum sites or in-copyright books. Without an accompanying analysis, these images stand alone, and do not represent fair use. (If there were some way to link each image to the discussion about it in the group's archives, that might help.) So, to look at your examples in this light: > So, if I use the miniscule portion that pertains to sixteenth century > shirts of a large costume book on my website with proper attributions, > I am covered by fair use. If you are analyzing, critiquing, or commenting on Arnold's treatment, that would generally be seen as fair use. But suppose you were writing your own costume book, with lots of little sections, each describing a particular type of garment, and instead of writing your own 2-3 paragraphs on 16th-c. shirts, you dropped in Arnold's equivalent passage whole (with a footnote) because you figure she said it better than you could and you didn't have anything more to add. A judge would probably consider that a violation. (And it's the judge's opinion that matters, not yours.) Remember, though, that the *information* Arnold presents is not copyrighted; copyright applies to the *wording*. If you presented your own paraphrase of Arnold's information, without lifting whole sentences and paragraphs intact, you are on firmer ground. Credit in such a case is considered a sign of academic honesty and further establishes that you are paraphrasing rather than plagiarizing, but the legality doesn't revolve strictly around the use of credit. > If I use one of her diagrams from the article, I am in the > grey area. This is harder. Some judges may view any single image as a whole, even if it is part of a series of images, or only one image from an article. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 11:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26007 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:36:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26HJoa23403; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:19:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26HJnA10376; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:19:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay2.primushost.com (relay2.primushost.com [207.244.125.21]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26HIfA09626; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 16if4i-0003bh-00; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:19:36 -0500 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) id 16if3o-0001w3-00; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:18:40 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: vintage costume , historic costume Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] someplace to wear costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:18:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For those of you looking for a place to wear 19th century costumes in Massachusetts.... Just a reminder that we will be having a Tea Dance this Sunday, with Patri Pugliese teaching and leading dances of the mid-19th century, such as Waltz, Polka, Schottische, contras, and quadrilles. As usual, we will have scrumptious refreshments unrivalled throughout the dance world. Except, of course, at CVD's balls, where the same cooks ply their trade... Music brought to you through the miracle of electronics. Attire: casual -- that is, period daywear, if you have it and want to wear it, or something modern and comfortable to dance in; women are requested to wear a skirt rather than trousers, and men the reverse; T-shirts are frowned on...and shorts are Right Out. Price: still a lowly $5. Location: the First Unitarian Society of Newton, 1326 Washington Street. For details, directions, or to resolve dilemmas, call or write: (617) 964-7684, or michael@vintagedancers.org. Please note, any of you who have my MEDIAONE address in your address books, that that address is changing; use the vintagedancers address to be sure of reaching me. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 12:32:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26496 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:32:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26IF7a29710; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26IF2A13823; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g26IE4A13251 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21126 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2002 18:12:54 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (HELO ultra.sonic.net) (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 2002 18:12:54 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d28.nas26.sonic.net [209.204.191.28]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g26IE2130101 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:14:02 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C865CEB.27868A39@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:16:11 -0800 Status: RO > > > This is harder. Some judges may view any single image as a whole, even if > it is part of a series of images, or only one image from an article. > > - One image (photo, drawing, pattern diagram) is legally a whole, because it can be sold and re-sold separately for different articles, books, etc, not necessarily in combination with the other images it was originally published with. Photographers and artists resell individual images all the time. The purpose of fair use is not to relieve you of the work of creating images, writing text, etc. by using other people's work in whole or in part, by itself or combined with bits quoted from numerous creators. Its purpose is to allow you to quote those other works for criticism, comment, review, analysis, etc. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 12:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26500 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:33:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26IH5a29918; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26IH2A15171; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26IG5A14582 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.fe.14a0f529 (4357) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabrick question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fe.14a0f529.29b7b6d8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:15:52 EST Status: RO --part1_fe.14a0f529.29b7b6d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not up on Italian Ren, but if the color on my monitor is close to accurate, it is a gorgeous color and should be fabulous under dark green. 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--part1_fe.14a0f529.29b7b6d8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 12:34:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26510 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:34:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26II2a00133; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26II1A15734; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g26IHHA15312 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:17:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020306181711.63198.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.103.60.158] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 10:17:11 PST From: Angela Kovatch Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <16a.9dd074f.29b78aac@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:17:11 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > A revision of the copyright law is under > consideration in the U.S. Congress. > It is particularly interesting because it would > involve extending rights yet > again. Ann- Do you happen to remember any more details about this (approx. what day you heard it on, which show...)? I am very curious about this. When I searched NPR's website, the only related story I could come up with was the one I saw in the New York Times recently, about the US Supreme Court (not Congress) agreeing to review the current laws and decide whether the 1998 extension was in fact legal, which might result in it getting reversed, thus shortening copyright from current terms. Apparently the Constitution mentions the argument you gave - that the original intent was for works to eventually fall into the public domain - so extending copyright repeatedly and indefinitely might be decided to be unconstitutional. (One of the biggest visible supporters of the extensions is Disney, because some early Mickey Mouse images would be about to fall into the public domain.) I would find it very curious if new legislation is being considered at the same time the current legislation is being questioned and might end up being thrown out. But then again, our congressmen&women don't always do things in the way that makes most sense. :) -Angela >From NPR's website: This segment is from All Things Considered Tuesday, February 19, 2002 Listen to Segment Listen to Entire Show View Program Segments Supreme Court - Copyright Law NPR's Rick Karr reports the Supreme Court has agreed to hear a challenge to the 1998 Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act, which added twenty years to the term of all future copyrights and all existing copyrights. Some copyrights now last as long as ninety-five years. Librarians, online civil libertarians, and film preservationists opposed the legislation, saying few materials copyrighted since the nineteen twenties have passed into the public domain and the Bono Act only makes the situation worse. 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 12:47:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26579 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:47:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26IU3a01577; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26IU2A22778; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26ITDA22292 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:29:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.80.1894e09a (659) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <80.1894e09a.29b7b9f2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:29:06 EST Status: RO In a message dated 3/6/2002 1:18:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, a_kovatch@yahoo.com writes: << agreeing to review the current laws and decide whether the 1998 extension was in fact legal, which might result in it getting reversed, thus shortening copyright from current terms. >> You may be correct--the story I heard may just have referred to the pending court case. You know how you sometimes listen with half an ear? That may have been the case with me. I thought the discussion was about new legislation as well as the court case, but I could be mistaken. I'm not even 100% sure if it was on "All Things Considered," but I think so. Forgive me for posting information and not being more precise. But the story brought to mind that, when I viewed an exhibit on copyright at the Library of Congress several years ago, the point was made about public access, so I found that part of the story interesting. Most of us, I believe, assume that copyright laws exist solely to protect the creator. (Of course, protecting the creator does in itself aid public access. Supposedly, one would be more likely to put one's work out there where people could see it if one were assured of some protection.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 15:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27240 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:03:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26KkAa17049; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26Kk7A17367; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26KakA11607 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:36:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.219]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020306203644.VHUK16132.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: <3C867D8A.56499960@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabrick question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:35:22 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I just want to add my 2 cents two. It is very beautifull....... i would not be afraid to use it in any period..........Yes green would be gorgeous Bjarne LalahTT@aol.com wrote: > I am not up on Italian Ren, but if the color on my monitor is > close to accurate, it is a gorgeous color and should be fabulous under > dark green. > > Lalah > Never Give up, Never Surrender, > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at > http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html > -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 17:40:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27814 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:40:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g26NNsa04906; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:23:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26NNdJ25669; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:23:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26NAJJ17543 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-110-71.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.110.71] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16iizP-0002dD-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:30:23 +0000 Message-ID: <00c401c1c556$3e42a960$476e7ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020305132017.01b98608@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:29:14 -0000 Status: RO Ulrika wrote: > I can't vouch for them, because I just googled "coutil" to > see what came up, but there's a UK shop that seems to have > pretty good prices: > > http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/index.htm > I suggest that anyone dealing with Whaleys should be careful; by coincidence I have just had to argue with them on an overcharge of almost £400 on an order which should have cost less than £100. They have grudgingly refunded the money which they had wrongly removed from my bank account in the first place, but it doesn't exactly inspire one with confidence. I won't waste bandwidth copying the exchange of e-mails to the list, but if anyone wants the gory details I'll happily forward them off-list... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 18:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28039 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:31:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g270E6a09594; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:14:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g270E5J22195; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:14:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2707hJ19408 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:07:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p130-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.130]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA27634 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:07:40 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p130-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.212.130] claimed to be user Message-ID: <004f01c1c56b$f17c1ce0$82d4adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C85FB93.11BB7A44@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabrick question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:06:31 +1300 Status: RO > I don't know what I can do with it. Sit it somewhere where you will look at it often, but can still go about whatever else you want to do, so that you might happen to glance at it and then something else, and poof! Inspiration:) > Is this fabrick o.k. for an Italian renaissance dress? > Or is the pattern too modern? Pattern is perhaps too free and 'naturalistic' for italian ren... but the colour is wonderful. And I would be inclined to go with what *I* wanted to do with the fabric, rather than worry over someone else getting a bee in their bonnet;). Do you happen to have other eras that you want to try? I'm not absolutely up to par on my 18thC patterns, but I'm sure it could be close to something at some point of that century? Of course a ballgown of the 50s/60s might be perfect:). > The colour to orange? How can anything be too orange?!?!?!;) > I think it will look great with an over dress of dark green. > Mmmm.... Yes:) Some gold embroidery and cream somewhere and pearls would also look divine with this colour:) michaela http://recital.tripod.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 18:38:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28078 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:38:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g270L7a10188; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:21:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g270L7J25729; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:21:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from wvugrpwise1.wvu.edu (wvugrpwise1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.153]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2709JJ20114 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:09:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from WVUDom1-Message_Server by wvugrpwise1.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:09:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.6.1 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2709JJ20114 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 19:08:48 -0500 Status: RO >>> a_kovatch@yahoo.com 03/06/02 01:17PM >>> --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > A revision of the copyright law is under > consideration in the U.S. Congress. > It is particularly interesting because it would > involve extending rights yet > again. (One of the biggest visible supporters of the extensions is Disney, because some early Mickey Mouse images would be about to fall into the public domain.) http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Another supporter at that time was the estate of George Gershwin, who was about to begin losing the copyright on his music. I am including something I just got today in my email. I work at a University Library and copyright regulations remain a topic of great concern and confusion. I'm sorry I'm not too much help in translating what this all means, I just know it's a quagmire and it's usually the little guy (us) who will pay the price. This information is about international intellectual property rights on the web. Kathy Hoover West Virginia University Library SMALL WORLD, BROAD TREATY: WIPO COPYRIGHT TREATY SET TO KICK IN For librarians already concerned with the domestic challenges offered by the broadly written Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), those concerns are now poised to go global. On March 6th, the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) treaty on Copyright Terms (WCT) will go into effect, updating for the digital world the international copyright policies adopted under the Berne Convention. Officials at WIPO say the WCT provides a response "to the challenges of new digital technologies." The treaty is similar to the DMCA, including one aspect of the new policy that will surely draw the attention of librarians and copyright experts in the U.S.--an "anti- circumvention" provision. Like section 1201 of the DMCA, the WCT specifically prohibits "the deliberate alteration or deletion of electronic rights management information." The WIPO treaty, considered by many to be the driving force behind the adoption of the DMCA in 1998, was adopted in 1996, and ratified in December of 2001, after 30 members of WIPO, including the U.S., officially adopted the treaty. "While we have reached the key number of 30 countries required for entry into force, I urge all other countries to follow suit and to incorporate the provisions of the WCT," said WIPO director general Kamil Idris in a statement. "This will create the conditions necessary for the broad-based and legitimate distribution of creative works and recordings on the Internet." Ironically, just as the WCT is set to kick in, the DMCA is now under heavy fire from critics in the United States. On April 1, a California court will hear a motion from attorneys representing ElComSoft, the Russian employer of programmer Dmitry Sklyarov, arrested in the U.S. and accused of circumventing encryption controls in Adobe e-books, arguing that the DMCA is unconstitutional (see LJ Academic Newswire 2/19/02). Last month, Virginia congressman Rick Boucher penned an editorial on the online C-NET saying that the DMCA needs to be rewritten. "In the three years since [the DMCA] was enacted," wrote Boucher, "we have not seen [an increase in] digital content. Instead, we have seen a rash of lawsuits; the imprisonment by U.S. authorities of a Russian computer programmer who had come to the United States to give a technical talk; and, more recently, the release of compact discs into the market that cannot be played in computers or even some CD players." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 21:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28712 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:32:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g273Fqa22624; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:15:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g273FoJ28018; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g272rJJ21227 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:53:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16io1u-0002B4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:53:18 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] G-Street fabrics Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020305141041.01b36d10@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:57:21 -0500 Status: RO For those in the DC area: I had some time today and wandered into G-Street Fabrics in Rockville. Boy was I disappointed. They have eliminated their Janome department (still have a few parts left at 50% off) and now only sell Berninas. They will stop servicing Janome/New Home at the end of March, yes, this month. Then I wandered over to the book section. It is mostly gone. They are only stocking sewing books and quilting books. All the Hunnisett, Janet Arnold, the fashion books, the stuff I went there for is gone. They have a few books left at deep discount, and I missed when most of the costume stuff sold as I have not been there lately. I did pick up "3000 Shoes from 1896 by Roseann Etinger and two copies of "Lace for Dolls & Dolls' Houses: over 45 decorative patterns in bobbin & needlelace" by Ann Collier. They have several more copies of this one, at $6.00 instead of the $29.95 it was priced at originally. The quilting stuff is now upstairs, and some of the quilting notions are now in their upstairs notions department, mixed in with the other notions. All in all, I was very disappointed. I talked with the manager, and they were ready to sell me a bernina at cost, throw in a fabric coupon, and all, but instead we are servicing my Janome before they go. I will have to travel to Fairfax or Frederick if the machine ever needs any future servicing. So, if you want to look at what is left of a great costume store, get there quick. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 6 22:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29026 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:38:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g274LWa26214; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g274LVJ18400; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:21:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2745KJ13246 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:05:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.fb.22aa5a11 (25100) for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:04:59 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] G-Street fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.22aa5a11.29b840eb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:04:59 EST Status: RO --part1_fb.22aa5a11.29b840eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too, have noticed that G Street has cut back and consolidated. They do have some good buys in silk taffeta, though--several colors for $18.77/yd. Too bad I'm not in the mark for any right now. But much of the first floor, where quilting shared space with home dec, seems to have been turned over to custom decorative sewing. Trims have been cut way back, too, and, of course, the books. On the plus side, though, the store is a lot neater, since they don't have to stack stuff on the floors. (I once visited a tony fabric store in another city, and told the salesperson that I lived in Washington and could therefore shop G Street. She said her daughter had visited there and disappointed because it was so messy.) Ann Wass --part1_fb.22aa5a11.29b840eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too, have noticed that G Street has cut back and consolidated.  They do have some good buys in silk taffeta, though--several colors for $18.77/yd.  Too bad I'm not in the mark for any right now.  But much of the first floor, where quilting shared space with home dec, seems to have been turned over to custom decorative sewing.  Trims have been cut way back, too, and, of course, the books.

On the plus side, though, the store is a lot neater, since they don't have to stack stuff on the floors.  (I once visited a tony fabric store in another city, and told the salesperson that I lived in Washington and could therefore shop G Street.  She said her daughter had visited there and disappointed because it was so messy.)

Ann Wass --part1_fb.22aa5a11.29b840eb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 00:56:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29374 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:56:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g276dJa02760; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:39:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g276dHJ26110; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:39:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g276KLJ21422 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31193 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:38:17 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] G-Street fabrics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:38:17 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > On the plus side, though, the store is a lot neater, since they don't have to > stack stuff on the floors. (I once visited a tony fabric store in another > city, and told the salesperson that I lived in Washington and could therefore > shop G Street. She said her daughter had visited there and disappointed > because it was so messy.) Rockville G Street, messy? Never would I have applied that word to it. Now, their old building on G Street, that was a real rabbit warren. I remember pulling a bolt of something nice out from under some dusty stack and finding a price of $.97 on it. The clerk shook his head in wonder and said, "Where did you find that one? That's a prehistoric price." When they moved to Rockville everything got upscaled. I never would have thought of them as "messy" in any sense. (But I like 'em messy.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 01:47:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29465 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:47:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g277UYa04435; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g277UXJ08113; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f20.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2770sJ01160 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:00:49 -0800 Received: from 63.12.15.162 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:00:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.15.162] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 07:00:49.0392 (UTC) FILETIME=[D00DB700:01C1C5A5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:30:49 +1030 Status: RO


>I might have asked this question before...do any of you know of a
>cheaper source of corset coutil? I have been ordering from Greenberg
>and Hammer, but I am still looking for a better price.
Does Coutil go by any other name? I can't find it in my area.
Hmmm..... maybe I;m just not looking hard enough.
 
Rebecca Anderson
aka
Lady Adele Anders

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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 04:18:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25684 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:18:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27A1Ya09734; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:01:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27A1VJ10553; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:01:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g279jjJ07114 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:45:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF2PE3U3B400H9WR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:48:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF2PE3CO1O00UQF2@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:48:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:41:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:41:18 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:41:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question In-reply-to: <200203061720.g26HKCA10605@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5DCC82B72B5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:41:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Deredere, > I bought white cotton damast and painted it. I wanted to make it a > warm yellow but it turned out orange. Yes! Orange! Can I ask why you painted it rather than dying it.... or am I misunderstanding? On my monitor it looks like a warm yellow, only *everso slightly* orange, if you're looking for it to be... if it counts as orange at all. > I don't know what I can do with it. Is this fabrick o.k. for an > Italian renaissance dress? Or is the pattern too modern? the pattern looks more 18th century to me, but I could be *way* off on that. Someone who knows better will no doubt chip in.... I hope. > The colour to orange? As I said it looks yellow to me. > I think it will look great with an over dress of dark green. > Mmmm.... Yellow and green, the best colour combination there is. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 05:43:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25914 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 05:43:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27BQKa11984; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:26:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27BQAJ12856; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:26:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g27AwhJ07300 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:58:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7544 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2002 10:58:36 -0000 Received: from pd9e4ff7e.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?217.228.255.126?) (217.228.255.126) by mail.gmx.net (mp010-rz3) with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 10:58:36 -0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question From: Cassandra Greer To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5DCC82B72B5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:58:37 +0100 Status: RO HI Teddy! >> I bought white cotton damast and painted it. I wanted to make it a >> warm yellow but it turned out orange. Yes! Orange! > > Can I ask why you painted it rather than dying it.... or am I > misunderstanding? Deredere is from Holland and not a native speaker and I think she did meant she dyed it :) Cass :) (American in DE but is good friends with Deredere thru the SCA :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 07:58:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26389 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:58:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27DgDa16390; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:42:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27DgBJ12062; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:42:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27DObJ07929 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 06:24:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.16c.9eb8a7d (24897) for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <16c.9eb8a7d.29b8c407@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] G-Street fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:24:23 EST Status: RO In a message dated 3/7/2002 1:40:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: << That's a prehistoric price." When they moved to Rockville everything got upscaled. I never would have thought of them as "messy" in any sense. >> I had a friend who worked in the Centreville store for a while, and he agreed. They were stuffing so much fabric in at one time that it was literally on the floor. Oh, they made some attempt to stand bolts up to look good, but you had to be careful where you walked to avoid stepping on something. I call that messy. This was three or four years ago, and the visitors came in the early '90s. Now many areas of the store, of course, such as bridal, the designer, and evening platforms, always were, and still are, very attractively arranged. Anyway, the stock seems to be thinned out quite a bit. I think all fabric stores are retrenching. Jo-Ann's has just quit selling ribbon by the yard and is now only selling pre-packaged reels. (And making it sound in their flyer like this is such a great deal--so convenient.) And the big box Jo-Ann's, ETC, near us also seems to have cut way back on fabric selection. I suppose there are fewer and fewer home sewers. It makes sense because kids certainly aren't learning to sew in school anymore. A costume colleague said we had better be glad we have been hoarding fabric because, if the trend continues, we may not be able to find anything in ten years. We may come to rely more heavily on mail order for specialty fabrics. The question is, will these firms be able to stay in business? Well, I, for one, am trying diligently to use what I already have stashed. (Although I did buy one piece of cotton print on my last trip to G Street.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 08:49:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26742 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:49:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27EWKa18986; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:32:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27EWHJ26179; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:32:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g277OxJ06946 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:24:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-67-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.67]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g277QkR03478 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:26:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020306230707.00c16c10@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] web stuff I find I do know Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:23:05 -0800 Status: RO For knitting/crochet directions from an antique original, use an optical character reader program to get it into the computer. These programs think they can read text, and every place they can't make sense of it, they tell you so you can fix it. So with the original in one hand and the keyboard at the other hand, you can sort of proofread the scanned text, so you don't have to type the whole thing in, making typos as you go. I plan to post the instructions to a teens crochet 'opera bag' on my page, which my Sweetie scanned in this way, then I corrected, because I crochet and he doesn't. If your image is all black and white, with no grey, save the image as a gif. The way a gif works is to look at how many of what colour comes next, as if you were charting needlepoint one row at a time. A gif of a pen and ink drawing will be smaller than a jpg of one. All the original line-art for my page will be gif s. OTOH, if you have a pencil sketch, with many greys in it, or a colour photograph, a jpg of it will be smaller than a gif of it. (My Sweetie explained why, in geek, and I didn't get it.) The accompanying image of the teens crochet opera bag is a jpg. Before my site goes public, I will post it 'privately', and let some knowledgeable people (=Silicon Valley geek friends of mine) preview it for 'bugs'. The way to keep a site relatively private is to not link to it or from it. Search engines send out 'spiders', which go from link to link finding out where things are. If you don't have any links in or out, the 'spiders' have much more difficulty finding it. Anyway, once the page has been 'debugged', I will go public, and everybody will be invited to a 'housewarming'. I haven't been this excited since I was pregnant. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 08:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26747 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:49:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27EX9a19112; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:33:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27EX8J26504; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:33:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27E4uJ18157 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32351 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:22:54 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] G-Street fabrics In-Reply-To: <16c.9eb8a7d.29b8c407@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:22:54 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Thu, 7 Mar 2002 AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/7/2002 1:40:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, > robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: > > << That's a prehistoric price." When they > moved to Rockville everything got upscaled. I never would have thought of > them as "messy" in any sense. >> > I had a friend who worked in the Centreville store for a while, and he > agreed. They were stuffing so much fabric in at one time that it was > literally on the floor. Oh, they made some attempt to stand bolts up to look > good, but you had to be careful where you walked to avoid stepping on > something. I call that messy. Yes, I'd agree that the Centreville store was noticeably more haphazard than Rockville. > Anyway, the stock seems to be thinned out quite a bit. This is very disturbing. G Street was always pretty dependable when you needed some really specific/scarce trim or fabric. The loss of the books is also upsetting. (Particularly since I somehow missed their 50% off all books sale when I was last in the store, in September. They may have beeen clearing them out then.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 08:49:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26751 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:49:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27EX1a19076; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27EX1J26436; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27Cs0J01242 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 05:54:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-100.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.100]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F657C06 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:53:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C876573.46E288FE@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:04:51 +0100 Status: RO Cassandra Greer wrote: > HI Teddy! > > >> I bought white cotton damast and painted it. I wanted to make it a > >> warm yellow but it turned out orange. Yes! Orange! > > > > Can I ask why you painted it rather than dying it.... or am I > > misunderstanding? > Deredere is from Holland and not a native speaker and I think she did meant > she dyed it :) > > Cass :) > > (American in DE but is good friends with Deredere thru the SCA :) Mmm.... I am working too hard on my wedding dress..... Yes, I ment dying. Greetings, Josiene > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 09:27:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26897 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:27:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27F82a21693; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27F80J09808; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:08:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27F7lJ09726 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:07:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.116] (pm4-116.eos.net [205.133.149.116]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24633 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203071434.g27EY9J26898@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] copyright Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:00:17 -0500 Status: RO This discussion is getting way off-topic for the list, but I want to further explain something. Copyright, trademark, and patent law are all branches of "intellectual property law." In the United States, the purpose of these laws is both to protect the creator of a work and to protect the public. All these laws protect the creator of a work so that he/she can profit from it *for a limited period of time.* They expire so that no one can keep hold of that "intellectual property" forever. They also allow competition. An early US case concerned a company that published business forms. It sued another company that published business forms with a different design. The court had to decide exactly what the law covered. Its decision was that the first company had the copyright on that particular design of business forms, and that any other company could publish business forms as long as they had a different design. This protects the first company, which had invested in the design of the forms and the manufacture of the plates used to print them. It protects the second company, which did NOT COPY the existing forms, but which invested its own time and resources into creating and manufacturing new ones (a critical point). And it protects the public, which benefits from a choice of business forms. Intellectual property law is extremely complicated, as this discussion proves. It is also constantly evolving. There is a fine line between copying and copyright infringement, which is why you can legally buy cheap knockoffs of expensive products. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 09:34:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26948 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:34:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27FH1a22414; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27FH1J13431; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27FG7J13010 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF30XMXNUO00UVOB@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:18:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF30X7TROO00UXK8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:18:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:11:20 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:11:05 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:10:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil? In-reply-to: <200203071434.g27EYQJ27009@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5E247621F0E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g27FG7J13010 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:10:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/index.htm > > I suggest that anyone dealing with Whaleys should be careful; by > coincidence I have just had to argue with them on an overcharge of > almost £400 on an order which should have cost less than £100. > They have grudgingly refunded the money which they had wrongly > removed from my bank account in the first place, but it doesn't > exactly inspire one with confidence. I won't waste bandwidth > copying the exchange of e-mails to the list, but if anyone wants > the gory details I'll happily forward them off-list... Hi Stevie, I'm sorry to hear that you've had such problems with Whaleys. I've been dealing with them for *years* have never had any problems with them and have always found them very friendly and helpful. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 09:41:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27020 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:41:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27FP1a23157; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27FP1J17466; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27FOEJ17121 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:24:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF316YJA0G00UVOB@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:26:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF3169X0WY00UXK8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:25:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:18:39 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:17:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:17:42 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question In-reply-to: <200203071434.g27EYQJ27009@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5E2644C1896@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:17:41 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Cass, > > > I bought white cotton damast and painted it. I wanted to make it a > > > warm yellow but it turned out orange. Yes! Orange! > > > > Can I ask why you painted it rather than dying it.... or am I > > misunderstanding? > > Deredere is from Holland and not a native speaker and I think she > did meant she dyed it :) Ahhh... that makes more sense - it didn't *look* painted in the picture and I thought I might be missing out on some new technique or something. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 09:50:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27060 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:50:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27FY2a24020; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27FY1J21946; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27FX5J21553 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF31H2NYWG00HYSC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:35:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF31GD0SV600UXK8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:33:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:26:45 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:26:19 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.76) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:26:13 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric question In-reply-to: <200203071434.g27EYQJ27009@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <5E2886F170E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Mmm.... > I am working too hard on my wedding dress..... > Yes, I ment dying. Oooh! Wedding-dress.... do tell, do tell. Is it a period style or modern? Or are you keeping it secret until the big day? Teddy (Librarians are *allowed* to be nosey and to gossip - it's known as practising our information gathering and dissemination skills) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 10:22:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27545 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:22:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27G6Fa27408; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27G63J09032; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:06:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from vector.rackshack.net ([216.40.198.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27G5MJ08666 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:05:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thaKarVer ([216.143.251.185]) by vector.rackshack.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g27G5JP16598 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:05:19 -0600 Message-ID: <006701c1c5f0$e14ac080$7102010a@thaKarVer> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <5E247621F0E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Xenco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] New URL for 1835 Dickens Dress (X post) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Karen Verschoor" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:58:09 -0600 Status: RO For those of you that may have bookmarked my site...I had to move it yesterday. Those nasty folks at f2s decided to shut down their free services. I moved to Tripod and have lots of obnoxoius ads...but at least they don't shut you down for bandwidth violations like Geocities. http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm I have recently added some photos for the start of the 2002 project. Let me know if you have problems getting to the site. Karen Verschoor Hosuton, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 10:29:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27580 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:29:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27GD8a28151; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:13:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27GCNJ12493; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:12:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27GBjJ12182 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:11:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-177-53.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.177.53] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16j0UN-0006Bv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 16:11:31 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c1c5f2$dd2791c0$35b17ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <5E247621F0E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:12:00 -0000 Status: RO Teddy wrote: >I'm sorry to hear that you've had such problems with Whaleys. I've >been dealing with them for *years* have never had any problems >with them and have always found them very friendly and helpful. Yes, that was one of the reasons that I'm extremely p'd off with them; if it weren't for the fact that £400 is a great deal of money to disappear it wouldn't even have occurred to me to check what they charged. And though they assured me the money would be refunded by this morning I have just checked my bank account and it's still not back. I am not a happy bunny... best wishes Stevie off to write another e-mail to them... > > http://www.whaleys-bradford.ltd.uk/index.htm > > I suggest that anyone dealing with Whaleys should be careful; by > coincidence I have just had to argue with them on an overcharge of > almost £400 on an order which should have cost less than £100. > They have grudgingly refunded the money which they had wrongly > removed from my bank account in the first place, but it doesn't > exactly inspire one with confidence. I won't waste bandwidth > copying the exchange of e-mails to the list, but if anyone wants > the gory details I'll happily forward them off-list_________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 11:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27847 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:25:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27H97a05222; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:09:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27H93J16830; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from c016.snv.cp.net (c016-h002.c016.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.180]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g27H8DJ16353 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:08:15 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 28207 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 09:08:05 -0800 Message-ID: <20020307170804.28206.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Mar 2002 17:08:04 GMT Received: from [212.54.22.139] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 07 Mar 2002 09:08:04 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: riina vuokko X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: riina@altavista.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New URL for 1835 Dickens Dress (X post) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 7 Mar 2002 09:08:04 -0800 Status: RO ...but at least > they don't shut you down for bandwidth violations like Geocities. > > http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm > Don't they? Then why can´t I get there? (looking forward to seeing your new photos) Riina Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 11:44:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27910 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:44:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27HQ1a07220; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27HQ0J27298; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:26:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from vector.rackshack.net ([216.40.198.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27HPCJ26836 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:25:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from thaKarVer ([216.143.251.185]) by vector.rackshack.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g27HPAP30520 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:25:10 -0600 Message-ID: <00df01c1c5fc$09166e60$7102010a@thaKarVer> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <20020307170804.28206.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New URL for 1835 Dickens Dress (X post) Organization: Xenco MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Karen Verschoor" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:18:01 -0600 Status: RO I guess I way underestimated how many people go there. I broke down and upgraded which will get rid of the ads...but will take a little while to take effect. Try again in an hour or so! Sorry! Karen Verschoor Houston, TX . > > > > http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm > > > Don't they? Then why can´t I get there? (looking forward to seeing your new photos) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 12:24:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28132 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:24:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27I7Ja13144; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27I7JJ23443; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27I6cJ23053 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:06:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSM00CT871WGR@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C87A937.70F23022@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203071434.g27EY9J26898@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Re: G-Street Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:53:59 -0500 Status: RO It *might* be something somewhat temporary. I'm wondering if they're going to start offering more special order stuff (like JoAnns does with their decorating fabric... swatches at the store that they'll order for you and get fairly quickly). I do know that they'll be opening a new store in Potomac Mills Mall... I think the date I was given is June... in the old SCAN place, so it'll be pretty big. Maybe they'll re-expand the books and stuff there, since space can't possibly be that much of an issue with a shop the size that store was. Fingers crossed, and already anticipating a trip, even if it is further than Rockville for me.... -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 12:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28137 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:24:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27I74a13100; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27I73J23287; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9807.mail.yahoo.com (web9807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.32]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g27I6BJ22805 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 11:06:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020307180610.20117.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.168.152.237] by web9807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 10:06:10 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00df01c1c5fc$09166e60$7102010a@thaKarVer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Dress Accessories will be out in July Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO This came today! kate ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dress Accessories Medieval Finds from Excavations in London Dear Colleagues, Boydell & Brewer is pleased to announce the summer reissue of _Dress Accessories_. 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Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 14:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28830 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:31:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27KE9a04938; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:14:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27KE2J21579; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27KDIJ21145 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:13:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.231]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020307201314.GYFM16132.fepB.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:13:14 +0100 Message-ID: <3C87C986.132A3BD8@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] web stuff I find I do know References: <4.3.1.2.20020306230707.00c16c10@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:11:50 +0100 Status: RO Hello I do look forwards for having a look on your site. Good Luck! It is quite funny to make webpages. But my puter dont have more space, so i have to wait till after our hollidays this summer. We are going to have a new puter then! Bjarne Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > For knitting/crochet directions from an antique original, use an optical > character reader program to get it into the computer. These programs think > they can read text, and every place they can't make sense of it, they tell > you so you can fix it. So with the original in one hand and the keyboard > at the other hand, you can sort of proofread the scanned text, so you don't > have to type the whole thing in, making typos as you go. I plan to post > the instructions to a teens crochet 'opera bag' on my page, which my > Sweetie scanned in this way, then I corrected, because I crochet and he > doesn't. > > If your image is all black and white, with no grey, save the image as a > gif. The way a gif works is to look at how many of what colour comes next, > as if you were charting needlepoint one row at a time. A gif of a pen and > ink drawing will be smaller than a jpg of one. All the original line-art > for my page will be gif s. > > OTOH, if you have a pencil sketch, with many greys in it, or a colour > photograph, a jpg of it will be smaller than a gif of it. (My Sweetie > explained why, in geek, and I didn't get it.) The accompanying image of > the teens crochet opera bag is a jpg. > > Before my site goes public, I will post it 'privately', and let some > knowledgeable people (=Silicon Valley geek friends of mine) preview it for > 'bugs'. The way to keep a site relatively private is to not link to it or > from it. Search engines send out 'spiders', which go from link to link > finding out where things are. If you don't have any links in or out, the > 'spiders' have much more difficulty finding it. Anyway, once the page has > been 'debugged', I will go public, and everybody will be invited to a > 'housewarming'. > > I haven't been this excited since I was pregnant. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 16:08:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29277 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:08:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27Lq6a15903; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27Lq2J27410; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27Lp9J26838 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:51:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.13.243]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g27Lp4C12294 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:51:05 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: <3C877190.17697.DCA86E9@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <200203071434.g27EY9J26898@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Subject: [h-cost] Copyright web site correction Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:56:32 -0800 Status: RO Some of you may have noticed that the fair use website I gave you didn't work. This one is the newest one (as they have evidently changed directories. Sigh.): http://www.libraries.psu.edu/mtss/fairuse/default.html Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 7 16:35:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29390 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:35:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g27MJ9a19085; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:19:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27MJ2J13938; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g27MISJ13556 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:18:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-117.radiks.net ([206.29.243.119] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by smtp6.mindspring.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16j6DQ-0008Ee-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:18:25 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020306214656.02d3aec0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200203060540.g265e3A15815@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: re-creating costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:00:57 -0600 Status: RO 5This is just from my experience, but... It depends on what you are re-creating. Granted, my experience is with fantasy-Science fiction costumes, but there may be some similarities. I have a friend who does furry creatures, and he says, whatever you do, don't re-create anything from Disney - even if it's just for your own enjoyment, if they find out, they WILL come after you. Paramount used to be the same about Star Trek, but now as long as you're not selling the costumes or appearing in them to make money, they're at least not pursuing you. We've re-created paintings by a couple of different artists as costumes, and they uniformly have been very flattered. When this same friend did a re-creation of the Hamm's beer bear several years ago, he contacted the company, who sent him all kinds of promotional info as background and even a copy of the sheet music for the theme song. So, as far as making costumes, I think it depends on what you are going to do with it and what it's source is. This is just my opinion, and IANAL. Sandy >michaela >http://recital.tripod.com >so how does this affect people who recreate a costume? With self drafted >patterns that obviously deiate from the original with fabrics that are only >in passing the same. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:49:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28801 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:49:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Gdda15576; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:39:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GdYi14259; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:39:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g24KfqX26489 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:41:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from ireadh.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.145]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16hzHJ-0003BT-0C for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:41:50 +0000 Message-ID: <9dyYmJAUv9g8Ew$f@ireadh.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Mike Percival References: <200203041902.g24J2RX24823@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200203041902.g24J2RX24823@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 <4ZNMeF6q0Rj7HuF12Ivxeh9yPt> Subject: [h-cost] French Hoods Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:40:52 +0000 Status: RO Hi everyone, Firstly, it's a very long time since I contributed to this list - must be at least three years ago, probably longer - so I'm a little out of touch on what the current thinking is on French hoods. However the recent spate of mail on the subject has aroused by interest. >Those of you who have made this work, how did you get the turned back edge to >"stand up", if you will, to give the appropriate coronet, as with the later >style of hood (1540's)? Is there still a seperate structure that the hood part >attaches to via the billiments or am I just going about this all wrong? Some years ago (about five or so) I did my one serious attempt at a historical costume. I'd dabbled around a bit, done quite a lot of basic research, but eventually the subject of the French Hood piqued my curiosity to such an extent that I thought I'd have a go at making one - and what was more, I would use as many primary sources as was possible, avoiding secondary when I could. So began a search for as many books with pictures by Holbein and his contemporaries. I admit, I got lucky with a couple of books (acquired from a second hand book shop) which were devoted to Holbein's works. And from that research came (after nearly a year) not just a French Hood, but a complete Tudor court gown, dated around 1540. The work I did on the hood I wrote up in an article which was printed in The Mantle, now the publication of Costume Guild UK. The article was entitled "It's just an illusion?" and for a good reason. For there was one painting by Holbein that was key, and that was a profile portrait of the Princess Mary, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon. The reason that it was so important was that it showed a French Hood that appeared to lie flat upon the head. A close look at many other portraits depicting this style of headdress convinced me of one thing, that the angle of the "coronet" was not achieved by the headdress itself, but was achieved by the arrangement of the hair underneath it! What was more, if you angle your head just so, a French hood can appear as though it is raised, when in fact it is not! - hence the title of the article. My 1540 French hood is actually composed of six parts: the underlying cap; a strip of cloth that holds the cap in place; the black hood section; the paste (or coloured band of cloth between the two biliments) and the upper and lower biliments. I do now have a website, and if you want to take a look at the costume (and the headdress of course) then go to www.ireadh.demon.co.uk/costumes. The costume is shown from two angles, front and side on. Hope this helps. -- Maggie Percival _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:50:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28813 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:50:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29GeTa15638; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GeTi14514; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from inet-mail1.oracle.com (inet-mail1.oracle.com [148.87.2.201]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26KaXA11498 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (rgmgw1.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.10]) by inet-mail1.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g26KaV526269 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from azay.oracle.com (digitalinfo.us.oracle.com [130.35.152.124]) by rgmgw1.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g26KaUs21480; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:36:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20020306122133.00a6eec0@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: sally.norton@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Sally Norton Subject: Re: [h-cost] "no place to wear it" In-Reply-To: <200203051249.g25CnMZ10359@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:36:30 -0800 Status: RO At 04:49 AM 3/5/02 -0800, Heather Meadows wrote: >The one thing I keep being struck by is how many people keep >saying "oh i'd love to do that period, but I have no place >to wear it." > >If you want to do a period, and have no place to wear something, >why don't you start a group I'd like to urge everyone to heed Heather's excellent advice. Because I'm the GBACG webmaster I receive many requests for info about events. GBACG didn't start out as the large, active organization it is today. It started very small (11 years ago) with a few events and built on that. The new guild in Sacramento is small but, they are finding that if they continue to organize a few events each year, they will attract more members. There is a small group of women north of the San Francisco Bay Area (Lake County) who are interested in 19th century events. Three of us from GBACG met with them at a 'Victorianish' restaurant in Petaluma (about an hour north of San Francisco) and we had lunch. We all wore late 19th c. attire. There were 7 of us and we did look smashing. It was delightful. An event can be as simple as a picnic and a game of croquet in a local park. If there is a restaurant in your area that evokes a particular time or place, collect a small group, dress up, and go out for lunch or dinner. Another possibility are fund-raising events and exhibit openings put on by museums. They are often delighted to give free admission to a few, gorgeously dressed people who add colour and atmosphere to their event. If there is an antique fair or sewing expo coming to your area, contact the organizers and offer to do a small fashion show. Or dress up in the period of a film and go to the opening. If you contact the theatre ahead of time, they might set aside a section of seats for you --- and you can make an entrance! Events don't need to be complicated or expensive .... just a group of people who want to enjoy themselves. Sally Norton www.gbacg.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:50:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28817 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:50:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29GeYa15649; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GeYi14553; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (inet-mail4.oracle.com [148.87.2.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g26LYmA15458 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:34:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (rgmgw5.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.14]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g26LYlG20141 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from azay.oracle.com (digitalinfo.us.oracle.com [130.35.152.124]) by rgmgw5.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g26LYlK27800 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:34:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20020306132640.00a6a080@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: sally.norton@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sally Norton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_12665531==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Places to Wear It Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 13:34:45 -0800 Status: RO --=====================_12665531==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I forgot to mention the most obvious places (I think my brain cells are shrinking): Costume Con and Costume College. These are the perfect places to be admired and share your enthusiasm for costuming. I've been to both events several times and they are each wonderful and fun and I'm going again. -- Sally Norton Costume College July 27 - 29 Airtel Plaza Hotel, Van Nuys, CA Memberships still available http://www.costumersguildwest.org/links.html Costume-Con 21 April 18-21, 2003, (Easter Weekend) Chicago, Illinois. http://www.jennifarse.com/cc2003/ --=====================_12665531==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I forgot to mention the most obvious places (I think my brain cells are
shrinking): Costume Con and Costume College. These are the perfect
places to be admired and share your enthusiasm for costuming. I've
been to both events several times and they are each wonderful and fun
and I'm going again.

-- Sally Norton


Costume College
July 27 - 29
Airtel Plaza Hotel, Van Nuys, CA
Memberships still available

http://www.costumersguildwest.org/links.html

Costume-Con 21
April 18-21, 2003, (Easter Weekend)
Chicago, Illinois.

http://www.jennifarse.com/cc2003/ --=====================_12665531==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:50:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28821 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:50:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Geca15666; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Gebi14579; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g256ecA07686 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:40:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-113.gti.net [208.216.115.113]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id E1714145ABB; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:40:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C846882.F6E1734D@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [h-cost] Histoic Footwear Makers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:41:07 -0500 Status: RO Hi People, I'm in need of some suggestions- I want to have some nice18th century style mules/shoes made for myself. I have no experience ordering custome made shoes. I have found several web sites with what appear to be beautiful period footwear. Does anybody have any recommendations or suggestions on historic footwear makers ? Also, has anyone ever ordered shoes from Plantagenet Shoes? They're in the UK & I live in the US, but I'm willing to pay extra for shipping if the shoes' quality is better. Any input? Lisa R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28825 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:50:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Gema15706; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Gemi14671; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:40:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail8.carolina.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g266aOA01703 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from medievalleather ([24.25.82.20]) by mail8.carolina.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:36:22 -0500 From: "Gregory G. Stapleton" To: Message-ID: <000501c1c4d9$80b1fc60$7000a8c0@medievalleather> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C4AF.97DBF460" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Anyone know where I can find this pic? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:38:18 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C4AF.97DBF460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, :-) I've found a picture I'm very interested in studying in color and/or in finer detail. It's in the wonderful book _A Visual History of Costume The Fourteenth & Fifteenth Centuries_ by Margaret Scott. It's Picture 94, identified as: Flemish street scene, with presentation of a book to Philip the Good of Burgundy in the background. Jean le Tavernier. _Conquestes de Charlemagne_, MS 9066, f. 11. Bibliotheque Royale, Brussels. Anyone know where this might be found online or on a CD? I'm particularly interested in the portable market stall and the pattens that are being worn. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Gregory G. Stapleton ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C4AF.97DBF460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know where I can find this pic?

Greetings, J

I’ve found a picture I’m very interested in = studying in color and/or in finer detail.  It’s in the wonderful book _A Visual History of Costume The Fourteenth & = Fifteenth Centuries_ by Margaret Scott.  It’s Picture 94, identified as:

Flemish street scene, with presentation of a book to = Philip the Good of Burgundy in the background.  Jean le = Tavernier.  _Conquestes de Charlemagne_, MS 9066, f. 11.  = Bibliotheque Royale, Brussels.

Anyone know where this might be found online or on a = CD?  I’m particularly interested = in the portable market stall and the pattens that are being = worn.

Any = help greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Gregory G. Stapleton

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C1C4AF.97DBF460-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28845 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:51:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Gfka15862; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:41:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Gfki15091; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:41:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2864eJ23672 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:04:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4719D020A; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 00:04:33 -0600 Message-ID: <009f01c1c666$efcae560$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200203071434.g27EY9J26898@net.indra.com> <3C877190.17697.DCA86E9@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Copyright web site correction X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 01:03:12 -0500 Status: RO Thanks Kat! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Copyright web site correction > Some of you may have noticed that the fair use website I gave you > didn't work. > > This one is the newest one (as they have evidently changed > directories. Sigh.): > http://www.libraries.psu.edu/mtss/fairuse/default.html > > > Kat > > Kat(June Russell) > kat@grendal.rain.com > Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:51:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28851 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:51:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Gg0a15910; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Gfxi15181; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:41:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g287V4J15324 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:31:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8B3D7020E; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 01:30:59 -0600 Message-ID: <012f01c1c672$ee999ae0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <005001c1c43c$b0c3fa40$04604e40@suscom.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Textile Tour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012B_01C1C649.055EDDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:29:06 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012B_01C1C649.055EDDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dianne, This DuPont plant has been offering the textile merit badge for years. So I guess they have had time to iron out the kinks in their program. The group we are in has 267 people including adults. This is the largest group DuPont has ever had. They did point out that this would be the last large group. Next time, the cut-off will be 150 people. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ------=_NextPart_000_012B_01C1C649.055EDDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dianne,
 
This DuPont plant has been offering the textile merit badge = for=20 years.  So I guess they have had time to iron out the kinks in = their=20 program.  The group we are in has 267 people including = adults.  This=20 is the largest group DuPont has ever had.  They did point out = that=20 this would be the last large group.  Next time, the cut-off will be = 150=20 people.
 
Penny Ladnier
Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume = Classroom
http://www.costumegallery.com =
http://www.costumeclassroom.com<= /A>
 
------=_NextPart_000_012B_01C1C649.055EDDA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28855 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:52:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29GgNa15985; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GgMi15348; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g28G9oJ22606 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 09:09:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g28G9kAq009714 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:09:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Ebay Regency-style paisley shawl Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:09:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I was considering bidding on this item, but really can't justify the expense at the moment. It's still a good deal -- $69.00 (at present). It looks like it'd be appropriate for a Regency impression: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=704255342 Regards, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:52:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28859 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:52:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Ggja16066; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Ggii15543; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f37.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g28ICmi24498 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:12:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:12:43 -0800 Received: from 134.67.6.44 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:12:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [134.67.6.44] From: "Karen S" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: G-Street Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2002 18:12:43.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7500C20:01C1C6CC] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:12:42 +0000 Status: RO

What I was told by someone that works there (when I complained about the lack of costume books) was that G Street had changed ownership (management?) and that the new people are not as interested in costuming as the previous owners had been.

My impression is that it's permanent (though I did fill out a comment card requesting the costume books back, just in case that does any good).

Karen

>From: Liz / Cozit
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>To: h-costume@indra.com
>Subject: [h-cost] Re: G-Street
>Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:53:59 -0500
>
>It *might* be something somewhat temporary. I'm wondering if they're going to start offering more special order stuff (like JoAnns does with their decorating fabric... swatches at the store that they'll order for you and get fairly quickly).
>
>I do know that they'll be opening a new store in Potomac Mills Mall... I think the date I was given is June... in the old SCAN place, so it'll be pretty big. Maybe they'll re-expand the books and stuff there, since space can't possibly be that much of an issue with a shop the size that store was.
>
>
>Fingers crossed, and already anticipating a trip, even if it is further than Rockville for me....
>
>-Elisabeth
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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28863 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:52:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Ggpa16089; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Ggoi15593; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:42:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw05.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g28IUhi04908 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web24 (209.185.149.10) id 3C7A7C6E006289F8 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:23:40 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <8D8A99481AFACE840BA14F9DB2C38BBA@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Could someone resend the tapsetry link? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:34:49 -0500 Status: RO I have a friend who is really intersted in getting some mediveal tapestries, and I accidentally deleted the email which had that great link for tapestries. (I think they were listed in both US and Canadian prices, and the link was posted within the last few weeks). If someone could re-post it, I would be grateful. =) Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:53:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28868 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:53:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29GhYa16166; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:43:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GhXi15872; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:43:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g28J58m25255 for h-costume@net.indra.com; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:05:08 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-ID: <20020308120508.B4225@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [h-cost] 18th C Spanish/Italian Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:05:08 -0700 Status: RO Can anyone point me to some good references for Spanish and Italian clothing (male & female) of the mid-18th C? Thanks, ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:53:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28874 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:53:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Gi7a16266; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Gi7i16140; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g294JEi10338 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:19:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-86.gti.net [208.216.115.86]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 34D70145ACA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:19:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C898D5E.2F565DE9@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Accessories will be out in July References: <20020307180610.20117.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:19:42 -0500 Status: RO In the Textile Society newsletter there is a short brief about this book, except the title is different: "Shoes & Patterns: Finds from Medieval Excavations in London," by Francis Grew, Margrethe DeNeergarad & Susan Mitford. 152 pages, 27 b/w ill. $45+ ship Is this a different book from "Dress Accessories"? Deb R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28878 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:53:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29GiDa16303; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29GiDi16184; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:44:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g294VRi14788 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:31:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-86.gti.net [208.216.115.86]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id EBDFE145B2A for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:31:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C89902F.FFAD1988@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Accessories... References: <20020307180610.20117.qmail@web9807.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:31:43 -0500 Status: RO Never mind...went to the B&B website and I see now that "Dress Accessories" is different from "Shoes and Pattens" -that's *patTENs*.. The Textile Society newsletter has it misspelled as 'patterns.' Deb R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 12:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28882 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:54:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Giea16379; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Giei16445; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:44:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Cvqi19363 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:57:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g29CvoAp018513 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p9.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.137]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA02779 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 07:57:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203091257.HAA02779@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright -- use of images In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020305101420.00e22340@mail.frys.com> References: <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 07:57:26 -0500 Status: RO If you can stand another copyright question -- I'm working with someone to publish a small booklet on 18th c. costume, and would like to have a couple of paintings redrawn for the book. We're not using the original paintings, so I figured we'd be ok. The paintings in question all date from the 18th century. -- Does anyone know of any reasons we _can't_ use redrawn versions of these paintings? My impression was that the redrawings are the artistic creations of the artist who does the redrawings, and no permission is required, since the original paintings were created 200+ years ago. -- If we used images the original paintings, would we need to ask permission of the museums that own them, or not? Have they passed into the public domain? My impression is that we _would_ need to ask permission of the museums, and/or pay a fee. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 13:09:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28942 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:09:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29H01a17068; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29H00i22074; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g29GxGi21862 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31551 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 9 Mar 2002 16:59:15 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d24.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.24]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g29GxEJ27113 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 08:59:14 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C8A3FE6.A21F84F9@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright -- use of images References: <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> <200203091257.HAA02779@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 09:01:26 -0800 Status: RO Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: > If you can stand another copyright question -- I'm working with someone to > publish a small booklet on 18th c. costume, and would like to have a couple > of paintings redrawn for the book. We're not using the original paintings, > so I figured we'd be ok. The paintings in question all date from the 18th > century. > > -- Does anyone know of any reasons we _can't_ use redrawn versions of these > paintings? My impression was that the redrawings are the artistic > creations of the artist who does the redrawings, and no permission is > required, since the original paintings were created 200+ years ago. Yes, the redrawings are the artistic creations of the artist who does the redrawings. > > > -- If we used images the original paintings, would we need to ask > permission of the museums that own them, or not? Have they passed into the > public domain? My impression is that we _would_ need to ask permission of > the museums, and/or pay a fee. > If you are reproducing the museum's photographs of their paintings, these are covered by modern copyright. So yes, the museum's permission (or the permission of whoever holds the copyright) is necessary. If you are redrawing from those photos, permission is not necessary. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 13:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29012 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:25:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29HG2a17646; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29HG0i26444; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:16:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29HFai26324 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:15:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020309171535.PBMK9422.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:15:35 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Histoic Footwear Makers Message-ID: <3C8A4327.4631.41DC38@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3C846882.F6E1734D@gti.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:15:19 -0000 Status: RO On 5 Mar 2002 at 1:41, martyr@gti.net wrote: > Also, has anyone ever ordered shoes from > Plantagenet Shoes? They're in the UK & I live in the US, > but I'm willing to pay extra for shipping if the shoes' quality is > better. I've seen them at shows: they apear to be good quality shoes, but I'm not qualified to comment on how authentic they are. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 16:34:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29801 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:34:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29KPFa26044; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29KPEi15833; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:25:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29KOXi15649 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:24:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.26]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020309202431.CPKC22883.fepD.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:24:31 +0100 Message-ID: <3C8A6F27.5ECF40B@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th C Spanish/Italian References: <20020308120508.B4225@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 21:23:03 +0100 Status: RO Hi For Italian mid 18th. century clothes, there are some catalogs from "Galleria Del Costume", Florence Italy. I have 3 catalogs but i know there are more. They start at the beginning of 18th century and goes on to present time. There are fine photo,s of real garments in them. Bjarne Elizabeth Lear wrote: > Can anyone point me to some good references for Spanish and Italian > clothing (male & female) of the mid-18th C? > > Thanks, > ...eliz > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 19:24:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30439 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:24:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29NF4a03937; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NF2i29152; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:15:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NEZi29031 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g29NEXL37059 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:14:33 -0600 (CST) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] gloat moment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:14:33 -0600 (CST) Status: RO I just got a birthday box from my parents. It contained both "Shoes and Pattens" and "Stepping Through Time." yay! Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 19:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30447 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:25:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29NFUa03955; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:15:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NFTi29271; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:15:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NEfi29057 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:14:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g29NEeAp013444 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA16142 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:14:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203092314.SAA16142@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eliz. corset question In-Reply-To: <008e01c1c4ca$bbb936c0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> References: <20020305.101956.-228253.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 18:14:13 -0500 Status: RO At 10:52 PM 3/5/2002 -0600, you wrote: >It sounds like she needs something that will keep the corset sitting where >it is supposed to. I do not have this problem, as I am quite hourglass >shaped and the corset stays just fine :-) > >Any hints, tips, instructions, details that we can use to draft up a corset >that will work for her? Thanks! Aside from shortening it just a bit (I've found that when I fit a corset, I need to pay close attention to the fit over the hips, and often wind up shortening the cardboard mockups in this area), maybe she could fasten her petticoats to the corset tabs (i.e., put eyelets in the tabs and lace the petticoat waistband to the corset) for some additional weight to help hold it down. But I'd try fitting it better over the hips first. Regards, Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 19:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30498 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:44:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29NZ1a05097; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NZ1i04521; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NYZi04378 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:34:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g29NYYAp015252 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17555 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:34:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203092334.SAA17555@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] copyright -- use of images In-Reply-To: <3C8A3FE6.A21F84F9@lavoltapress.com> References: <3C8482F1.28400.255F6BE@localhost> <20020305144009.55903.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.1.2.20020305005311.00de1d40@mail.frys.com> <200203091257.HAA02779@saltmine.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 18:34:06 -0500 Status: RO At 09:01 AM 3/9/2002 -0800, you wrote: >If you are reproducing the museum's photographs of their paintings, these are >covered by modern copyright. So yes, the museum's permission (or the >permission of whoever holds the copyright) is necessary. > >If you are redrawing from those photos, permission is not necessary. > >Fran Thanks, Fran! That's more or less what I figured. Good to have it confirmed. Regards, Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 19:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30512 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:45:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g29Na2a05159; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29Na1i04815; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g29NZai04688 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:35:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g29NZZAp015331 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p7.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.135]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA17734 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:35:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203092335.SAA17734@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Histoic Footwear Makers In-Reply-To: <3C846882.F6E1734D@gti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 18:35:07 -0500 Status: RO At 01:41 AM 3/5/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi People, >I'm in need of some suggestions- >I want to have some nice18th century style >mules/shoes made for myself. I have no experience >ordering custome made shoes. >I have found several web sites with what appear to be >beautiful period footwear. >Does anybody have any recommendations or suggestions on >historic footwear makers ? >Also, has anyone ever ordered shoes from >Plantagenet Shoes? They're in the UK & I live in the US, >but I'm willing to pay extra for shipping if the shoes' quality is >better. >Any input? >Lisa R. Could you post some of the URLs to these cordwainers? I've seen Sarah Juniper's new site, but would love to see others, as well. Regards, Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 21:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30827 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:04:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2A0t2a08525; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A0t1i25560; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A0sTi25366 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 17:54:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/Ogfu9oRULvcp4TTLLPBGh6g="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GVHJNV8W; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 19:53:28 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dress Accessories will be out in July Message-ID: <20020309.165057.-3160035.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:49:56 +0000 Status: RO Yes. Completely different book. Arlys On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 23:19:42 -0500 martyr@gti.net writes: > In the Textile Society newsletter there is a short brief about this > book, > > except the title is different: > "Shoes & Patterns: Finds from Medieval Excavations in London," > by Francis Grew, Margrethe DeNeergarad & Susan Mitford. > 152 pages, 27 b/w ill. $45+ ship > > Is this a different book from "Dress Accessories"? > Deb R > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 9 23:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31702 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:56:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2A3l7a16070; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A3l0i10392; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A3kKi10120 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:46:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a233.in-tch.com [66.62.107.33]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2A3YOH22894 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 20:34:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C8AD828.A3647DE1@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Question about fabric for 18th c. caraco jacket and petticoats Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 20:51:04 -0700 Status: RO And all the other good stuff that goes with it, too. Hi, everybody. I pretty much know "diddly" about 18th century costuming, but I'm learning....taking classes through Penny's website. One class I'm going to be taking later this spring is from JP Ryan, who's teaching us how to make caraco jackets. It sounds as if there's a wide range of fabric choices, depending on how "formal" your outfit it, but I'm afraid of picking the exactly *wrong* thing to make the jacket, petticoats, etc. out of. Has anyone out there got any ideas about what I really need to stay clear of, and what might really work? I haven't seen any reference to napped fabrics, so I assume they're out? but what silk types/weaves/weights? ditto, cottons and wools? What about colors? are there any "close enough" furnishing fabrics? Are some stripes okay, and others not? all that sort of stuff..... Any assistance would be *much* appreciated....my historical costuming experience is pretty solidly pre-17th century, so I'm afraid my fabric tastes/choices might be inappropriately influenced for a later time period. Thanks in advance, Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 01:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31928 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:13:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2A542a19110; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A540i27355; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:04:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A53fi27277 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:03:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2A55u947138 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:05:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200203100505.g2A55u947138@jabberwock.wonderland.com> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] star shapes -- Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:05:56 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I know there was some discussion of this last September, but I just found this illustraded "how to cut a five pointed star shape" and I thought others might appreciate it too! http://www.dltk-kids.com/usa/fold_and_cut_star_shape.htm .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 01:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA31958 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2A5H0a19551; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A5H0i00596; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A5Gwi00583 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 22:16:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-69-194-modem.o1.com [66.81.69.194]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2A5IsR00723 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:18:54 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020309210155.00c94b30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ebay Regency-style paisley shawl In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 21:03:51 -0800 Status: RO Victorian, yes. Regency, not quite. Regency ones tend to have paisley borders on plain middles, where later ones tend to be allover/solid paisleys. OTOH, gaga! >I was considering bidding on this item, but really can't justify the >expense at the moment. It's still a good deal -- $69.00 (at present). It >looks like it'd be appropriate for a Regency impression: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=704255342 Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 04:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32485 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:10:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2A7w2a24742; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:58:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A7w0i03839; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2A7v2i03662 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-187.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.187]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16E57F8A for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:57:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3C8B145D.35A0568D@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures References: <5E2886F170E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:07:58 +0100 Status: RO :-D It is ofcourse in period style. It's in16th century style... I have some pictures of work in progress on the internet. But if you want to see the real pictures you have to wait untill after 3,4 and 5 Mai. We are still working hard on our kostumes. I hope I will finish my dress by the end of the week. But I also have to make the flowergirl dress and the ringbearers costume. There going to be the small versions of us ;-) The costume of my oon to be husband is getting very beatifull. He does all the embroidery and I help him with the sewing. Here is the link for the pictures http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/16th_century_wedding Greetings, Deredere Teddy wrote: > > Mmm.... > > I am working too hard on my wedding dress..... > > Yes, I ment dying. > > Oooh! Wedding-dress.... do tell, do tell. Is it a period style or > modern? > > Or are you keeping it secret until the big day? > > Teddy > (Librarians are *allowed* to be nosey and to gossip - it's known as > practising our information gathering and dissemination skills) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 07:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01081 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:09:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2AAv1a29275; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AAv0i21832; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AAuji21752 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:56:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-63.214.124.243.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.124.243]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16k10O-0000Nw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:56:44 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C8B145D.35A0568D@kabelfoon.nl> References: <5E2886F170E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 05:57:41 -0500 Status: RO > >It is ofcourse in period style. >It's in16th century style... >I have some pictures of work in progress on the internet. Lovely, lovely, lovely! Brava! Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net Editor, Boston Early Music News Deadline March. 28 for April 15 issue for events April 15-May 31, 2002 http://www.earlymusicboston.com /bemn for CALENDAR /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 11:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05999 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:26:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2AFG8a05776; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:16:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AFF1i11645; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe42.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AFEoi11608 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:14:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:14:45 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [12.13.135.54] From: "Heather McCafferty 2" To: References: <200203091903.g29J3di24847@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2002 15:14:45.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F9D9D80:01C1C846] Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #780 - 2 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:27:21 -0600 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- | Kevin + Mara Riley wrote: | | > If you can stand another copyright question -- I'm working with someone to | > publish a small booklet on 18th c. costume, and would like to have a couple | > of paintings redrawn for the book. We're not using the original paintings, | > so I figured we'd be ok. The paintings in question all date from the 18th | > century. | > | > -- Does anyone know of any reasons we _can't_ use redrawn versions of these | > paintings? My impression was that the redrawings are the artistic | > creations of the artist who does the redrawings, and no permission is | > required, since the original paintings were created 200+ years ago. | | Yes, the redrawings are the artistic creations of the artist who does the | redrawings. | | > -- If we used images the original paintings, would we need to ask | > permission of the museums that own them, or not? Have they passed into the | > public domain? My impression is that we _would_ need to ask permission of | > the museums, and/or pay a fee. | > | | If you are reproducing the museum's photographs of their paintings, these are | covered by modern copyright. So yes, the museum's permission (or the | permission of whoever holds the copyright) is necessary. | | If you are redrawing from those photos, permission is not necessary. | | Fran This can get pretty hairy though. So, fair warning - the only persons who can make a legal judgement on copyright issues that hit a grey area like that last (redrawing from museum photos) are judges. As an example I encountered, I wanted to use a choice among two or three Kandinsky works on a webpage I was creating for an event in which the internationally-known Kandinsky Trio was performing - for educational purposes at a secondary educational institution. There's a clause in the Copyright Law allowing among other things a single image from a work to be copied for purely educational purposes, but only a judge can determine whether or not the usage fulfills the "educational" requirement, and this was a performance, albeit paid for via student fees. In order to assure that I wasn't breaking copyright on behalf of the University, I contacted the current owners of the images to see if they would allow it - and they would, if we paid them a hefty fee (this was an agency in NYC), per image use. I had a six-figure budget to work with, and the fee would have completely sapped it, for one event in a calendar full of more. The artwork itself was old enough to be outside the current copyright laws, but the agency owned the rights to all the images of the works that I knew of, at that point - once Copyright Law came into effect, these rights had been filed/purchased/reserved by his estate, and then again as all of that was sold to various entities with each piece sold from the estate. I judged it not worth further effort (it was just a web page for a finite event), and ended up using a common graphics program to make an image after the style of Kandinsky's Improvisation No. 32. If there was this much hoopla needed with an educational institute's usage of an image of an artwork (and the Trio was closely associated with the agency who owned the rights to the images I was trying to choose among, to boot, with a good relationship with them), I strongly recommend that if you work from an image you have not yourself made for a book which you hope to *sell,* you at least consult with a lawyer or judge experienced in copyright law. Margaret Northwode "Douce et innocent à l'extérieur, mauvaise et croquante à l'intérieur." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 13:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06776 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:08:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2AGx6a10386; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:59:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AGx0i04958; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AGwKi04845 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:58:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14565 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:16:32 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #780 - 2 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:16:32 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Heather McCafferty 2 wrote: > This can get pretty hairy though. So, fair warning - the only persons > who can make a legal judgement on copyright issues that hit a grey > area like that last (redrawing from museum photos) are judges. And to add to that: Not all judges share the same opinions, and there's a lot of grey area in copyright law, particularly when you start dealing with electronic media. The one time I was involved in a copyright case, it was part of a larger dispute that was being handled in bankruptcy court. The judge was a bankruptcy judge, and he didn't know anything about copyright, and didn't much care. My lawyer, fortunately, had a background in journalism, and we both had access to my union's lawyers. The lawyers had an uphill battle convincing the judge there certainly *was* precedent for our claim, and explaining how copyright worked. Even so, the judge insisted on making distinctions between who owned the *work* (our writing) and who owned the disks on which it was stored (the company that never paid us for the writing, but asserted ownership and sold it anyway)! Fortunately we won, but I have known of other cases in which the judge in charge made decisions on what made sense to him, which may not match what you would normally expect from people who are well-versed in copyright law. Yes, you can appeal, but that takes money. When it looked like we would lose our case, our lawyer pointed out that we could appeal based on the fact that the judge would have clearly misinterpreted copyright law. But since the company we were suing was already bankrupt, the chances of us ever recovering funds were pretty slim to begin with. (In our case, the judge determined that we still owned copyright on the work, yet permitted the company to sell it at a massive profit as part of its assets. When we threatened further legal action, we ultimately gained a settlement of about 10 cents on the dollar of the money we were owed.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 14:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07083 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:24:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2AIF3a13707; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AIF1i24915; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:15:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AIE2i24654 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:14:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-1-170-207.btinternet.com ([213.1.170.207] helo=dan) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16k7pZ-00063x-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:14:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c1c85f$7b799b20$cfaa01d5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Silk Connection Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:14:55 -0000 Status: RO Hi all, I've been trying to contact Silk Connection to buy some of the silk gauze and the email keeps bouncing. Does anyone have a clue as to what is happening with them? best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 20:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09160 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:28:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2B0I6a01442; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2B0I4i05322; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2B0A7i02841 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:10:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2B0A6gi001143 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p8.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.136]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA12803 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:10:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203110010.TAA12803@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about fabric for 18th c. caraco jacket and petticoats In-Reply-To: <3C8AD828.A3647DE1@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:09:44 -0500 Status: RO Hi, Sue, What sort of impression are you going for? My default advice would be to use linen. There are probably some furnishing fabrics that could work; Williamsburg's "Tuckahoe", "Wetherburn", and "Indienne" might work for you: http://www.williamsburgmarketplace.com/product_line.asp?MGID=25&fromcat=true The problem with some of the Waverley prints, I'm told, is that the scale is a little large for 18th c. clothing; but then some 18th c. clothing does show up with large scale prints (not common, but occasionally done). I think the practice of weaving a damask pattern onto striped fabrics is modern. Cabbage roses are NOT 18th century - you see a lot of 1970s colonial revival costumes made with the stuff. Toile prints seem to have been reserved for upholstery, not used for clothing. I found some yummy textiles here: http://www.housefabrics.com/fabric1.htm But you'd want to look through a couple of books on 18th c. textiles before ordering... Some of the plain stripes look ok to me. I've got a copy of Florence Montgomery's _Textiles in America_ on loan from a friend, but that's out of print and VERY expensive. I heard a rumor that it might get reprinted... but in the meantime, see if your library can find it for you. Another good book is Barbara Johnson's album (I forget the exact title) -- a scrapbook that an 18th c. lady kept of all the fabrics she bought from her teens through her old age. Best of all, this site has matelasse, which is fabric woven to imitate quilting, invented ca. 1763. So for those of you who've been lusting after a quilted petticoat, but don't have the time to make one -- this is a definite option! Cheers, Mara At 08:51 PM 3/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: >And all the other good stuff that goes with it, too. >Hi, everybody. I pretty much know "diddly" about 18th century >costuming, but I'm learning....taking classes through Penny's website. >One class I'm going to be taking later this spring is from JP Ryan, >who's teaching us how to make caraco jackets. It sounds as if there's a >wide range of fabric choices, depending on how "formal" your outfit it, >but I'm afraid of picking the exactly *wrong* thing to make the jacket, >petticoats, etc. out of. Has anyone out there got any ideas about what >I really need to stay clear of, and what might really work? I haven't >seen any reference to napped fabrics, so I assume they're out? but what >silk types/weaves/weights? ditto, cottons and wools? What about colors? >are there any "close enough" furnishing fabrics? Are some stripes okay, >and others not? all that sort of stuff..... >Any assistance would be *much* appreciated....my historical costuming >experience is pretty solidly pre-17th century, so I'm afraid my fabric >tastes/choices might be inappropriately influenced for a later time >period. >Thanks in advance, >Sue Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 10 20:33:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09219 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:33:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2B0OCa01937; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:24:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2B0OBi07283; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:24:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2B0HHi05058 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2B0HGgi001845 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lindo (p8.a8.du.radix.net [207.192.132.136]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA13248 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:17:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203110017.TAA13248@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about fabric for 18th c. caraco jacket and petticoats In-Reply-To: <3C8AD828.A3647DE1@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:16:55 -0500 Status: RO At 08:51 PM 3/9/2002 -0700, you wrote: > I haven't >seen any reference to napped fabrics, so I assume they're out? but what >silk types/weaves/weights? ditto, cottons and wools? What about colors? >are there any "close enough" furnishing fabrics? Are some stripes okay, >and others not? all that sort of stuff..... Forgot to answer some of these issues... Janice Ryan said, at a talk I attended a while back, that cotton velvet is an acceptable compromise for 18th c. costume, but I don't think I'd use it for a caracao -- more for a riding habit, I think. Plain wool would be fine for a working woman's caracao. Modern cotton broadcloth is probably too thin. Any colors you could get in the 17th century were also obtainable in the 18th . Graduated stripes are not ok; and stripes that don't mirror-repeat (i.e., stripes that go "blue green yellow blue green yellow") generally aren't appropriate. I think that damask might be a bit too fancy for a caracao jacket, but am not really certain... If you want to do something really different, Silk Road Fabrics has some ikat cottons that would be appropriate. These were called "clouded" fabrics in the 18th century, and both silk and cotton clouded fabrics have shown up in period references. I'd love to see an 18th c. gown made from this stuff, just to show something that people just don't think of as 18th century! http://www.srfabrics.com/cottons/ikat3.html Swatch 120, in particular, looks good to me... -- Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 02:48:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06782 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:48:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2B6dAa18547; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2B6d4i15048; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:39:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2B6Xji13989 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:33:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-87.gti.net [208.216.115.87]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id C0A03145B2A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:33:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8C4FE4.7CF8B5C8@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Histoic Footwear Makers References: <200203092335.SAA17734@saltmine.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:34:12 -0500 Status: RO This is Plantagenet Shoes URL: http://www.plantagenetshoes.freeserve.co.uk/ >Could you post some of the URLs to these cordwainers? I've seen Sarah >Juniper's new site, but would love to see others, as well. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 06:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07689 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:42:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BAX7a25430; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BAX4i16349; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:33:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BAPZi14903 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF8BXTC58000W0BE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF8BXRAOJI00VCU4@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:20:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:20:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.79) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:20:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Histoic Footwear Makers In-reply-to: <200203091903.g29J3fi24883@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <63D70980E08@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:20:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > On 5 Mar 2002 at 1:41, martyr@gti.net wrote: > > Also, has anyone ever ordered shoes from > > Plantagenet Shoes? They're in the UK & I live in the US, > > but I'm willing to pay extra for shipping if the shoes' quality is > > better. They made my bucket top (17th cnetury boots) and I'm extremely happy with them. Not only are they good quality, comfortable and fit perfectly, but they look great and only cost a little more than the low-heeled "off the peg" ones that lots of 17th century traders sell.... on the other hand, Morgan measured my feet himself, i have no experience of mail ordering stuff from them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 06:57:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07818 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:57:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BAm6a25859; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BAm4i19386; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BAeUi17941 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:40:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF8CG584E800VO82@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:42:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF8CG3N1AU00VA1Z@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:41:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:34:57 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:34:54 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.79) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:34:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures In-reply-to: <200203101901.g2AJ1ii07508@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <63DAF92175C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:34:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Deredere, > It is ofcourse in period style. > It's in16th century style... > I have some pictures of work in progress on the internet. > > Here is the link for the pictures > http://members2.photofun.com/Deredere-Galbraith/16th_century_wedding Oh wow! That is going to be *so* beautiful. And i love the choice of hairstyle and veil too. It looks lovely. I'll look forward to seeing pictures of the whole wedding party. Thanks for sharing Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 07:12:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07948 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:12:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BB35a26315; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BB34i22386; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:03:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BAuGi20970 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:56:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (unknown [208.216.122.105]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 2EC45145B4E for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8C8D6E.35FBE840@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers References: <63D70980E08@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:56:46 -0500 Status: RO Well, I didn't find a whole lot of other cordwainers on the web. What I would like are some customized poulaines. If you were extremely happy with his work, I'm satisfied he knows what he's doing. I could trace my own foot & send it to him. Thanks Teddy! Lisa > They made my bucket top (17th century boots) and I'm extremely > happy with them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 07:58:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08107 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:58:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BBn4a27493; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:49:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BBn3i01848; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BBgAi00442 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 04:42:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-67-235.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.67.235] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16kOBs-0000gl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:42:08 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c1c8f1$e7370220$eb437ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <63DAF92175C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:42:57 -0000 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > Oh wow! That is going to be *so* beautiful. And i love the choice > of hairstyle and veil too. It looks lovely. and Teddy is always right! But I'm not familiar with the portrait inspiring the gown; have I missed the attribution? > I'll look forward to seeing pictures of the whole wedding party. As do I... congratulations! Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 09:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08715 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:43:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BDY5a01168; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BDY4i25671; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9801.mail.yahoo.com (web9801.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.211]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2BDSMi24286 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:28:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020311132821.53097.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.142.39] by web9801.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:28:21 PST From: Kate To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004401c1c8f1$e7370220$eb437ad5@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: attribution was: (Fabric question) weddingpictures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 05:28:21 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > But I'm not familiar with the portrait inspiring the gown; have I > missed the > attribution? It's Isabella of Portugal, circa 1535 by Titian. According to 20,000 Years of Fashion, the painting is in the Prado in Madrid. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 10:21:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08859 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:21:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BEC7a03084; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:12:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BEC6i06263; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:12:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BE5Li04085 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:05:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-86-114.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.86.114] helo=dan) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16kQQR-0000YP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:05:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c1c905$e80bee40$72567ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <20020311132821.53097.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: attribution was: (Fabric question) weddingpictures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:06:13 -0000 Status: RO Kate wrote: > > But I'm not familiar with the portrait inspiring the gown; have I > > missed the > > attribution? > > It's Isabella of Portugal, circa 1535 by Titian. According to 20,000 > Years of Fashion, the painting is in the Prado in Madrid. It is indeed, at http://www.spanisharts.com/prado/tiziano/isabel.htm which dates the painting around 1548. Many thanks best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 10:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08874 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:26:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BEH6a03402; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BEH5i08019; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BEBQi06042 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:11:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a259.in-tch.com [66.62.107.59]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2BDxSH14494 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:59:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C8CBC2E.58A56F21@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures References: <63DAF92175C@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <004401c1c8f1$e7370220$eb437ad5@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:16:14 -0700 Status: RO IIRC [weren't there two?] the first one (garnet-colored gown) is a Titian portrait of Isabella of Spain? mid-16th c.? [a friend of mine also used this one for her wedding dress ]. The second portrait is one of the Bronzino portraits of Eleanor of Toledo. --Sue Stevie Gamble wrote: > > Teddy wrote: > > > Oh wow! That is going to be *so* beautiful. And i love the choice > > of hairstyle and veil too. It looks lovely. > > and Teddy is always right! > > But I'm not familiar with the portrait inspiring the gown; have I missed the > attribution? > > > I'll look forward to seeing pictures of the whole wedding party. > > As do I... > > congratulations! > > Stevie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 10:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08879 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:28:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BEJSa03555; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BEJSi08913; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:19:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2BE9gi05560 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:09:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30744 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 14:09:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.238.185) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 14:09:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3C8CBAB5.50D01F08@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers References: <200203092335.SAA17734@saltmine.radix.net> <3C8C4FE4.7CF8B5C8@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:09:57 -0600 Status: RO I went to visit Sarah Juniper's site again, and while I love the shoes, I can't find any prices. In addition, it seems the only way to contact her is with an overseas phone call or fax. Am I missing the handy email address and price list, or are they not there? Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 10:55:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09036 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:55:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BEj5a05320; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:45:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BEj4i17317; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:45:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BEZ9i13791 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:35:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kQtI-0006wj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:35:08 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c401c1c556$3e42a960$476e7ad5@dan> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:28:18 -0700 Status: RO Any reason you want to stick with coutil? I have used cotton canvas or denim as an interlining (I know I am assuming that is what you are using it for) and had great results. It is cheap and readily available. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 11:22:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09225 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:22:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BFDJa07783; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BFDHi28776; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:13:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2BF6Pi25488 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:06:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020311150620.42977.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:06:20 PST From: Megan Irvine Subject: RE: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:06:20 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Yes, I've used denim and whatever I could find, but I think that coutil looks nicer. The last corset that I lined with denim scraps looked...well, it looked like I lined it with denim scraps. I just wish I didn't have to pay $12/yd +shipping for coutil. --- Saragrace knauf wrote: > Any reason you want to stick with coutil? I have used cotton > canvas or > denim as an interlining (I know I am assuming that is what you are > using it > for) and had great results. It is cheap and readily available. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Megan Irvine Check out my new EBay store: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 11:50:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09406 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:50:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BFfCa10490; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:41:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BFfAi11903; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:41:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BFYsi08626 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:34:55 -0700 (MST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dress Accessories will be out in July Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dress Accessories will be out in July Thread-Index: AcHHihOYgfqu1BndQmSzOPfKsD8cGQBh/bkg From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2BFYsi08626 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:35:03 -0800 Status: RO Hi all, Deb R wrote: <> Yes, it is. Dress Accessories focuses on rings, brooches, purses and many other kinds of dress accessories, rather than the shoes, boots and pattens covered in the Shoes and Pattens book. Best regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 12:11:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09682 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:11:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BG24a12642; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:02:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BG23i22642; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BFvEi20110 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.ba.22849202 (4459) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.22849202.29be2dcd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:57:01 EST Status: RO --part1_ba.22849202.29be2dcd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will take more than a tracing around your foot. I have been making some soft suede medieval shoes and now I know that you need more measurements than that. For a minimum you need to measure across your foot at the instep, mark the place you measured on the tracing and give the length. He will probably need more than that for firmer shoes. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_ba.22849202.29be2dcd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It will take more than a tracing around your foot.  I have been making some soft suede medieval shoes and now I know that you need more measurements than that.  For a minimum you need to measure across your foot at the instep, mark the place you measured on the tracing and give the length.  He will probably need more than that for firmer shoes.

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--part1_ba.22849202.29be2dcd_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 12:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09725 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:21:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BGC7a13738; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:12:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BGC5i27749; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:12:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BFwmi20917 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:58:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14080.; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:06:34 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:58:23 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:57:59 +0000 Status: RO I wondered about the prices too, but noticed that she says she has no e-mail. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> melanie@faucet.net 03/11/02 02:09pm >>> I went to visit Sarah Juniper's site again, and while I love the shoes, I can't find any prices. In addition, it seems the only way to contact her is with an overseas phone call or fax. Am I missing the handy email address and price list, or are they not there? Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 12:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09820 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:44:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BGYAa16371; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:34:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BGY9i10852; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:34:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BGRMi06825 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16405 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001f01c1c918$fb6ff0e0$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <200203041902.g24J2RX24823@net.indra.com> <9dyYmJAUv9g8Ew$f@ireadh.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns--Butterrick too Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:22:45 -0600 Status: RO I was in my local JoAnns yesterday and the new Simplicity pattern book is out. I don't recall the numbers on these, but there is an early-mid 1860's dress with undersleeves and optional apron, corset(two variations--one has bust gussets; one without)with chemise, and a pattern just for the early to mid '60's hoopskirt with back interest. JoAnns will have the Simplicity patterns all at $1.99 next Sat and Sunday. The same person that did the 1850's dress, underpinnings and hoopskirt pattern did this trio too. I think the pattern # are 7412, 7415, and 7416. Sleeves and bodice look pretty authentic in cut, adjusted to the modern figure. What is nice to see is that one of the dress models is not a size two and carries the large pink plaid gown with 30+ yards of black braid/ribbon trim off much more successfully than a very delicately framed model would. Women who recalled later wearing crinolines in their younger years, remembered fondly how cool they felt in summer, that they had more freedom of movement and the colorful and often ornately decorated stockings and footwear that they could choose males a glimpse of with the correct dip of the crins. Joanns also has a 2-week sale on their Butterrick patterns. I picked up 7217 and 7218, part of their "Making History" costume series. One is a basic c1897-1898 skirt with variations and other is a coordinating "waist"(of course, they call it a blouse. I dated both to about 1897-98 based on the cut of the skirt(properly gored)and the slightly pouter-pigeon front of the blouse and reduction of the extreme leg of mutton sleeves from a couple of years earlier. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 14:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18517 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:45:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BIZSa03573; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:35:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BIZ8i03159; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2BIR3i27307 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:27:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203111827.g2BIR3i27307@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17253 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 15:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 15:44:35 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [unknown] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:44:32 +0000 Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote : > I went to visit Sarah Juniper's site again, and while I love the shoes, > I can't find any prices. In addition, it seems the only way to contact > her is with an overseas phone call or fax. Am I missing the handy email > address and price list, or are they not there? The front page says "(sorry I don't have e-mail)", so I don't think you're missing that. And I can't find any prices, either, other than the mention of deposits on the order form. Google searching.... A review on an entirely different page says "@ about 150 Euro" Someone mentions Sarah as being one of the most affordable shoemakers. But that's about it, I'm afraid. No specific prices. Sounds like you're down to phone, fax, or letter. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 16:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18835 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:09:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2BK0Pa16850; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:00:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BK07W28277; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f216.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.216]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2BJq7W22998 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:52:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:52:02 -0800 Received: from 66.72.178.179 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:52:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.72.178.179] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Women who Ruled art exhibit (was Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2002 19:52:02.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[368C5CF0:01C1C936] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:52:01 -0500 Status: RO >one of the Bronzino portraits of Eleanor of Toledo. For those in the South-eastern Michigan area, there is currently an exhibit at the University of Michigan Art Museum on "Women who Ruled: Queens, Goddesses, Amazons, 1500-1650." It will be in Ann Arbor until early May, and then it will travel. http://www.umich.edu/~umma/women/ There's the aforementioned Eleanora of Toledo portrait there, an Elizabeth I by George Gower, a Venus by Guido Reni, and a Judith by Carravaggio, among lots of others. Lots of etchings, especially. The exhibit features women who were politically powerful (Elizabeth, a couple of the d'Medicis, Eleanora of Toledo, etc), as well as other women who were powerful and made an impact-- Joan of Arc, Judith, Amazons, Helen of Troy, Eve, etc -- and the way they portrayed in the 15th-16th centuries. I had a great time yesterday afternoon, having gone in as soon as the exhibit opened and then had to be kicked out when the museum closed. Parsla _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 20:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19972 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C0i3a25462; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:44:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C0i1W26452; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C0hZW26287 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:43:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-101.gti.net [208.216.115.101]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 08ECE145979 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8D4F53.A5448AA6@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:44:03 -0500 Status: RO Could I just send him a pair of my own well-fitted shoes?
Deb
 
It will take more than a tracing around your foot.  I have been making some soft suede medieval shoes and now I know that you need more measurements than that.  For a minimum you need to measure across your foot at the instep, mark the place you measured on the tracing and give the length.  He will probably need more than that for firmer shoes.
_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 23:12:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20598 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:12:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C321a04616; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C320W16640; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C31kW16550 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:01:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kcXp-0003nq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:01:45 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1C936.9B5C02C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c1c4d9$80b1fc60$7000a8c0@medievalleather> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Thoughts on Attifet/Caul/Coif-References Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:54:51 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1C936.9B5C02C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know where I can find this pic?I am about ready to tackle an Attifet. I have Margo's pattern, but am interested in any references you know of. A search of the Archives resulted in From the Neck Up and an Elizabethan Costuming books I"ve not heard of till now - Hill & Bucknell and Winter . I was surprised that they are not mentioned in QEWU and that made me start to wonder if she doesn't use that name. What is the differece between a caul/coif (just that the former has a band and the latter is more like a biggens and that neither are wired?) attifet? There are various headdresses that look like they are wired, and then of course the veils that have that heart shape but come out a bit further from the head. Anyway, just interested in anyone's thoughts and experiences building an Attifet. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1C936.9B5C02C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know where I can find this pic?
I am=20 about ready to tackle an Attifet.  I have Margo's pattern, but am=20 interested in any references you know of.  A search of the Archives = resulted in From the Neck Up and an Elizabethan Costuming books I"ve not = heard=20 of till now - = Hill & Bucknell = and Winter=20 .
 
I was surprised that they are not mentioned = in QEWU and=20 that made me start to wonder if she doesn't use that name.  What is = the=20 differece between a caul/coif  (just that the former has a band and = the=20 latter is more like a biggens and that neither are = wired?) attifet? =20 There are various headdresses that look like they are wired, and then of = course=20 the veils that have that heart shape but come out a bit further from the = head.
 
Anyway, just interested in anyone's thoughts = and=20 experiences building an Attifet.
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C1C936.9B5C02C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 23:50:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20882 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:50:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C3f2a07000; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C3f1W29038; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2C3e0W28754 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:40:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 31985 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 03:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.236.3) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 03:39:58 -0000 Message-ID: <3C8D789E.61136B0@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thoughts on Attifet/Caul/Coif-References References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:40:14 -0600 Status: RO > Saragrace knauf wrote: > > I am about ready to tackle an Attifet. I have Margo's pattern, but am > interested in any references you know of. A search of the Archives > resulted in From the Neck Up and an Elizabethan Costuming books I"ve > not heard of till now - Hill & Bucknell and Winter . I can't speculate on whether there was such a thing as an "attifet" made in the way that these books suggest, but I'd be cautious in taking any of them as gospel. If you're going for historic accuracy (or as close as one can get with no surviving examples), please don't use either Hill & Bucknell or Winter. Hill and Bucknell has so many imaginary patterns in it (ie, patterns that could not possibly work on a 3D body or patterns that have no historic basis) that I wouldn't want to trust their reconstruction if they have one. Winter is a good starting point for RenFaire, but I wouldn't use it for anything serious. >From the Neck Up is a _wonderful_ millinery how-to book, but again she's just guessing the shape to get the look. I don't think she researched what that look evolved from and what it turned into to get a sense of the actual construction. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 11 23:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20896 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:56:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C3l2a07357; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C3l1W01231; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:47:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11702.mail.yahoo.com (web11702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2C3knW01153 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:46:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020312034648.64730.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.57.239.163] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:46:48 PST From: carol To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:46:48 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I understand that this book is out of print .. does anyone have any recommendations on where to find a copy ? Thanks Carol ===== ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 00:03:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20924 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:03:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C3s1a07738; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C3s1W03335; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C3r5W03059 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:53:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from C59303A ([12.238.186.197]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020312035300.HYLN1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@C59303A> for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: <04d301c1c979$5d995440$c5baee0c@mckiny1.tx.home.com> From: "Chiara" To: References: <20020312034648.64730.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:52:38 -0600 Status: RO Amazon.co.uk still had copies last I looked, 85.00 American dollars. It is no longer out of print, they ran a new batch 2 years ago and started selling them again last year. A fluke on the part of Amazon.co.uk cause quite a stir here then. :) They mispriced the book, which has a base price of 75.00, at 35.00 American dollars. Unfortunately the artist and former print shop worker in me quickly picked out that the printing and more importantly the binding was of a lesser quality than the original print run. But if you want it for the educational value it is priceless none the less! Sincerely, Chiara Francesca Ansteorra, Steppes, Texas º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd > > I understand that this book is out of print .. does > anyone have any recommendations on where to find a > copy ? > Thanks > Carol > > ===== > ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... > > "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." > > "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 00:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20931 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:06:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C3v1a07914; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C3v1W04305; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C3u1W03996 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr064.gti.net [208.216.122.4]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id BC3FF145AEE for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:55:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8D7C6D.E1BFDA2F@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd References: <20020312034648.64730.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:56:29 -0500 Status: RO Fred Struthers has it in his winter catalog for $190.00, I think? His e-mail is: fsbks@mcn.org Deb R. >I understand that this book is out of print .. does >anyone have any recommendations on where to find a >copy ? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 00:22:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20980 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:22:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C4D2a08914; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:13:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C4D0W14898; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:13:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C4C0W14262 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020312041154.YELO2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:11:54 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020311221408.02ba5d50@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers In-Reply-To: <200203111827.g2BIR3i27307@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:15:08 -0600 Status: RO At 03:44 PM 3/11/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Melanie Schuessler wrote : > > > I went to visit Sarah Juniper's site again, and while I love the shoes, > > I can't find any prices. In addition, it seems the only way to contact > > her is with an overseas phone call or fax. Am I missing the handy email > > address and price list, or are they not there? > >The front page says "(sorry I don't have e-mail)", so I don't think you're >missing that. > >And I can't find any prices, either, other than the mention of deposits on >the order form. > >Google searching.... > >A review on an entirely different page says "@ about 150 Euro" > >Someone mentions Sarah as being one of the most affordable shoemakers. > >But that's about it, I'm afraid. No specific prices. Sounds like you're >down to phone, fax, or letter. Um... have you seen this page? It definitely has prices on it and they range from 92 pounds to 448 pounds plus any extras. http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk/shoes.htm Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 01:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21261 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:50:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C5f2a13466; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:41:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C5f1W12298; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (alteon01e.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.130.235]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2C5egW12199 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:40:43 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 27438 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 05:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) ([209.130.180.24]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Mar 2002 05:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01c1c988$82a87d60$18b482d1@computer> From: "Lyn Greaves- Thorny Rose" To: References: <20020312034648.64730.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:41:07 -0500 Status: RO At www.poisonpenpress.com Devra has it listed at $165 US. She also has an entire page devoted to "costume" books. Worth a look if nothing else. Lyn Greaves Lady Rosamund d'Alwareton, CM, OTerp, OSalamander Remember: Amateurs built the ark, but professionals built the Titanic ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd > > I understand that this book is out of print .. does > anyone have any recommendations on where to find a > copy ? > Thanks > Carol > > ===== > ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... > > "The night summons like an unquenched love, beckoning with the promise of dark desires." > > "The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in to it" ... Oscar Wilde > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 03:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17152 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:47:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2C7cAa18530; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:38:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C7c4W15846; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:38:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C7XfW14840 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:33:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020312073340.DAQG8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:33:40 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers Message-ID: <3C8DAF51.1148.D51D3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.0.0.25.2.20020311221408.02ba5d50@mail.attbi.com> References: <200203111827.g2BIR3i27307@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:33:37 -0000 Status: RO On 11 Mar 2002 at 22:15, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > Um... have you seen this page? It definitely has prices on it and they > range from 92 pounds to 448 pounds plus any extras. > > http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk/shoes.htm How very odd. I wonder why she has two completely different web pages? I was looking at: www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/ which has the pictures. Looks like the page with prices has no pictures? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 06:41:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17622 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:41:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CAW3a24491; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CAW1W09489; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CAVPW09356 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:31:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF9QGHRXJK00UOZ7@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:33:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF9QGH9QYW00JCGN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:33:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:26:51 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:25:57 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.68) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:25:56 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers In-reply-to: <200203111644.g2BGidi17405@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <65589FD1C6D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:25:56 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Well, I didn't find a whole lot of other cordwainers on the web. > What I would like are some customized poulaines. > If you were extremely happy with his work, I'm satisfied > he knows what he's doing. I could trace my own foot & send > it to him. > Thanks Teddy! You're welcome Lisa. Morgan's work is very good, and I don't think I've ever heard any complaints about his footwear in all the yers I've been going to events where he trades. He isn't the cheapest, nor the most expensive and you do get quality for the price. > > They made my bucket top (17th century boots) and I'm extremely > > happy with them. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 06:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17636 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:45:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CAa1a24699; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CAa1W10438; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CAZUW10256 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:35:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF9QLIU0R400UTPS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:37:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF9QLFUYGY00JCGN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:30:53 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:30:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.68) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:30:28 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-reply-to: <200203111644.g2BGidi17405@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6559DDE36AD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:30:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Yes, I've used denim and whatever I could find, but I think that > coutil looks nicer. The last corset that I lined with denim scraps > looked...well, it looked like I lined it with denim scraps. I just > wish I didn't have to pay $12/yd +shipping for coutil. Erm... I'd have thought that anyone close enough to see the *inside* of your corset would *not* be interested in whether it was lined in denim or coutil... Unless denim lined corsets are, for some reason a real turn-off for them..... or something? Teddy (probably missing some subtle point here...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 07:31:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17782 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:31:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CBM3a25936; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CBM1W20205; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CBLnW20158 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:21:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KF9S7WIZGG00TV58@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:24:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KF9S7ULQEO00U7XC@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:24:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:17:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:16:31 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.68) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:16:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers In-reply-to: <200203111932.g2BJW9W08627@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <65661CE1E88@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:16:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Melanie Schuessler wrote : > > > I went to visit Sarah Juniper's site again, and while I love the > > shoes, I can't find any prices. > And I can't find any prices, either, other than the mention of > deposits on the order form. Hmmm... I'll have a look at home and see if I still have her pricelist form the Cressing Temple traders faire last May... prices may have gone up since then but it'd be an indication.... if I can find it... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 09:16:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22279 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:16:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CD72a29139; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CD71W16149; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:07:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21410.mail.yahoo.com (web21410.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2CD6aW16019 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 06:06:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020312130635.94512.qmail@web21410.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21410.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:06:35 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <65661CE1E88@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO What about Kevin Garlick. He made some Tudor shoes for me and they are so comfortable. We sorted it all out by post and they fit perfectly. Kevin sends out very specific instructions on how to measure your feet. However he does usually have a long waiting list (mind you he did mine for me quite quckly). Kevin Garlick 21 South Street Ventnor England PO38 1NG Tel : 01983-854753 Fax : 01983-854753 Try emailing kmgarlick@lineone.net I found it on a living history forum (http://www.livinghistory.co.uk/1700-1800/forum/xw_160.html) so it might not be right. Rachel --- Teddy wrote: > > > Melanie Schuessler wrote : > > > > > I went to visit Sarah Juniper's site again, and while I love the > > > shoes, I can't find any prices. > > > And I can't find any prices, either, other than the mention of > > deposits on the order form. > > Hmmm... I'll have a look at home and see if I still have her pricelist > form the Cressing Temple traders faire last May... prices may have > gone up since then but it'd be an indication.... if I can find it... > > Teddy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 10:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30579 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:26:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CEHPa03033; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:17:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CEHOW11436; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2CEA4W09317 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7240 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 14:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.238.204) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 14:10:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3C8E0C49.B2260E9E@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020311221408.02ba5d50@mail.attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:10:18 -0600 Status: RO Thanks to all who offered info on Sarah Juniper's prices. I now have at least an idea of how much they would be. Now to gather money....anyone have a money tree? Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 10:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30718 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:51:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CEg2a04905; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CEg1W20215; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2CEfsW20173 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:41:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203121441.g2CEfsW20173@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 24212 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 14:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 14:41:53 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Money tree From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:41:50 GMT Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote : > Thanks to all who offered info on Sarah Juniper's prices. I now have at > least an idea of how much they would be. Now to gather money....anyone > have a money tree? http://shop.store.yahoo.com/twinleafcatalogue/631025.html Yours for $2.25 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 11:12:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30849 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:12:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CF2la06794; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:02:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CF2kW28366; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:02:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CExmW27052 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2CF25f66102 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: <6559DDE36AD@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> "from Teddy at Mar 12, 2002 10:30:28 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:02:05 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I don't know about the original poster, but with the stress levels my bust can create in a corset, something that has even a little bit of streth like denim just doesn't look nearly as good and solid as coutil. wearing denim, I always feeling like I'm listing to one side.. ;) .heather. > > > Yes, I've used denim and whatever I could find, but I think that > > coutil looks nicer. The last corset that I lined with denim scraps > > looked...well, it looked like I lined it with denim scraps. I just > > wish I didn't have to pay $12/yd +shipping for coutil. > > Erm... I'd have thought that anyone close enough to see the > *inside* of your corset would *not* be interested in whether it was > lined in denim or coutil... Unless denim lined corsets are, for some > reason a real turn-off for them..... or something? > > Teddy > (probably missing some subtle point here...) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 11:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30902 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:29:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CFKga08497; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:20:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CFKfW06678; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CFGDW04431 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:16:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFA08J4DMO00U2PB@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:18:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFA087LZKU00R2Y1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:13:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:06:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:05:46 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.68) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:05:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historic Footwear Makers In-reply-to: <200203121443.g2CEhKW20841@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <65A340A1A95@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Thanks to all who offered info on Sarah Juniper's prices. I now have > at least an idea of how much they would be. Now to gather > money....anyone have a money tree? > Hey Melanie, How about picking a tree, and charging people for watching when you climb it in full farthingale looking for money to gather? Of course, they'd be more likely to give money to a sponsored Elizabethan tree-climb if it were for a charity.... I know *we* would consider period shoes for a costumer as a Good Cause, but most of your paying public might have different ideas.... 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--part1_17b.4f0afdd.29bf79f4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 12:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31200 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CGG5a14488; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CGG1W06258; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout3.telus.net [199.185.220.238]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CGF6W05783 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from pauldes ([64.180.65.71]) by priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.01 201-253-122-122-101-20011014) with SMTP id <20020312161500.ZRQY16061.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@pauldes> for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:15:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c1c9e1$01310960$4741b440@pauldes> From: "Desamona Villani" To: References: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:10:29 -0800 Status: RO I use Pillow Ticking. Is that the same as coutil? Brandy Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? > I don't know about the original poster, but with the stress levels > my bust can create in a corset, something that has even a little bit of streth > like denim just doesn't look nearly as good and solid as coutil. > wearing denim, I always feeling like I'm listing to one side.. ;) > > .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 15:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31925 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:14:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CJ3Aa06962; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:03:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CJ30W23484; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CJ1MW22377 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:01:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p120.directcon.net [209.79.209.169]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA04019; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:01:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020312105725.0080c270@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: <000201c1c9e1$01310960$4741b440@pauldes> References: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:57:25 -0800 Status: RO Until recently, I thought "coutile" meant a herringbone twill weave cotton fabric. Then I ordered coutile from a supplier and got plain twill, no herringbone weave. When I qestioned it, I was told that "coutile" meant twill, and if I want herringbone I need to ask for it specifically. I strongly recommend herrringbone coutile for corsetry, as twill (which includes denim) will tend to stretch and twist diagonally over time, and plain weaves such as canvas will stretch in all directions. Herringbone coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. Margo "One Tough Costumer" Costume Classes in Northern California: www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.htm See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 15:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31982 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:25:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CJG2a08282; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CJG1W01494; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CJF3W00895 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:15:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 22091269 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:21:01 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c1c9fa$2f3e3ee0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <20020305.101956.-228253.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> <200203092314.SAA16142@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eliz. corset question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:14:50 -0600 Status: RO OK - after checking fit on hips....should we include tabs on this corset, or would they just create the same problem? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin + Mara Riley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eliz. corset question > At 10:52 PM 3/5/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >It sounds like she needs something that will keep the corset sitting where > >it is supposed to. I do not have this problem, as I am quite hourglass > >shaped and the corset stays just fine :-) > > > >Any hints, tips, instructions, details that we can use to draft up a corset > >that will work for her? Thanks! > > Aside from shortening it just a bit (I've found that when I fit a corset, I > need to pay close attention to the fit over the hips, and often wind up > shortening the cardboard mockups in this area), maybe she could fasten her > petticoats to the corset tabs (i.e., put eyelets in the tabs and lace the > petticoat waistband to the corset) for some additional weight to help hold > it down. But I'd try fitting it better over the hips first. > > Regards, > Mara > Kevin + Mara Riley > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 18:16:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00699 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:16:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CM76a29893; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:07:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CM71W16650; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:07:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com (protactinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CM6TW16348 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:06:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from host213-122-84-231.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.84.231] helo=dan) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16kuPb-0006hc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:06:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c1ca12$497f8300$e7547ad5@dan> From: "Stevie Gamble" To: References: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3.0.6.32.20020312105725.0080c270@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:03:33 -0000 Status: RO Margo Anderson wrote, of cotton >Herringbone > coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much > thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. Have you any views on herringbone linen for these purposes? I've recently acquired large amounts thereof, and after redecorating my living room with it (trust me- a staple gun is much faster than buckets of paint) I had in mind numerous jackets, skirts petticoats etc. Corsets would be good too... best wishes Stevie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 18:57:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA00856 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:57:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CMm5a05322; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:48:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CMm2W11702; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from watchman.propagation.net ([63.249.230.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CMlGW11264 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:47:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumemag.com (co-trinidad1c-155.lbrlks.adelphia.net [24.49.6.155]) by watchman.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00380; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:42:18 -0600 Message-ID: <3C8E885A.DEFCC1F5@costumemag.com> From: Mary Denise Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-NSCPCD (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" , SCA Garb List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Mistress Rondinella Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:59:40 -0700 Status: RO Would Mistress Rondinella please contact me privately? Thanks, MD/Marged _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 19:38:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01253 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:38:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2CNT2a09685; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:29:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CNT0W06271; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2CNS0W05678 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:28:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (net16sp119.directcon.net [209.233.107.119]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02928; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:27:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020312152331.00810ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: <000601c1ca12$497f8300$e7547ad5@dan> References: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3.0.6.32.20020312105725.0080c270@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:23:31 -0800 Status: RO At 10:03 PM 03/12/2002 -0000, Stevie Gamble wrote: >Margo Anderson wrote, of cotton > > >>Herringbone >> coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much >> thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. > >Have you any views on herringbone linen for these purposes? I've recently >acquired large amounts thereof, Aside from being exceedingly jealous, as I've never even seen herringbone linen, I couldn't say. It would probably depend on the tightness of the weave. Margo "One Tough Costumer" Costume Classes in Northern California: www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.htm See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 20:11:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01399 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:11:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D021a12691; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D020W25416; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (mtao2.east.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D01QW25122 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:01:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020313000118.WVRO8095.lakemtao02.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:01:18 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? Message-ID: <000001c1ca21$3dd8bb70$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020312152331.00810ec0@pop.directcon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:54:20 -0500 Status: RO Yeah, there's nothing like someone saying they have enough herringbone linen to cover their walls to really make a girl go completely green with envy! Yowza! Anyway, herringbone linen isn't all that difficult to obtain, I've even managed to get it at Joann's, believe it or not. Hmm, upon recollection, that may have been a linen/cotton blend... still quite nice tho. My new favorite treasure is a 5 yard piece of 1/8" herringbone linen that I bartered with a friend to get. Very fine, in a lovely old gold color. Probably not good for lining corsets, but very nice for an early period underdress. Getting back to the hemp thread of a couple of weeks ago, www.hemptraders.com carries a herringbone hemp fabric, along with several different weights of up to 17 oz canvas. If you ask, they'll gladly send swatches. Linda At 10:03 PM 03/12/2002 -0000, Stevie Gamble wrote: >Margo Anderson wrote, of cotton > > >>Herringbone >> coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much >> thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. > >Have you any views on herringbone linen for these purposes? I've recently >acquired large amounts thereof, Aside from being exceedingly jealous, as I've never even seen herringbone linen, I couldn't say. It would probably depend on the tightness of the weave. Margo "One Tough Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 22:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01824 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D2I3a21980; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:18:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D2I1W19285; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D2HVW19122 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:17:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m68.in-tch.com [216.166.191.68]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2D24kH05037 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:05:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C8EB7AF.9186ADFD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? References: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3.0.6.32.20020312105725.0080c270@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:21:35 -0700 Status: RO Okay, Margo...spill....who's your source? I've been wanting to try a corset with coutil.....;-) --Sue Margo Anderson wrote: > > Until recently, I thought "coutile" meant a herringbone twill weave cotton > fabric. Then I ordered coutile from a supplier and got plain twill, no > herringbone weave. When I qestioned it, I was told that "coutile" meant > twill, and if I want herringbone I need to ask for it specifically. > > I strongly recommend herrringbone coutile for corsetry, as twill (which > includes denim) will tend to stretch and twist diagonally over time, and > plain weaves such as canvas will stretch in all directions. Herringbone > coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much > thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 22:34:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01874 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:34:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D2P1a22378; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D2P1W21467; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D2ONW21287 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:24:23 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA25874 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200203130242.SAA25874@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:42:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Sue Clemenger > Okay, Margo...spill....who's your source? I've been wanting to try a > corset with coutil.....;-) I dunno about Margo, but I buy mine from Lacis in Berkeley. http://www.lacis.com/ Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 23:41:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02115 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:41:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D3W2a27060; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D3W0W12998; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D3VxW12988 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16kzUc-0004kT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:31:58 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020312105725.0080c270@pop.directcon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:24:53 -0700 Status: RO I've done it with all three and had great sucess-no stretching or distortions in 3 years. I am very careful to buy all cotton denim or canvas-they like to slip those blends in. Of course I bone the S*&$ out of my corsets though with actual boning casing, bias tape or twill tape (depending on my mood). That is just so I can cheat and not have to draw all those lines and avoids multiple layers of fabric from shifting. I haven't seen any great advantage to the coutil except that I was able to dye it the color I wanted and therefore didn't use it as an interlining but as the actual lining. On the other hand, $12 bucks/yard (And I got at least 2 corsets out of a yard) isn't much to invest in an item which will last a long time if taken care of. Cheers, Sg **I strongly recommend herrringbone coutile for corsetry, as twill (which **includes denim) will tend to stretch and twist diagonally over time, and **plain weaves such as canvas will stretch in all directions. Herringbone **coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much **thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 12 23:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02126 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:44:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D3Z2a27284; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D3Z1W13936; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:35:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web9804.mail.yahoo.com (web9804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.214]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2D3YBW13707 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:34:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020313033410.93677.qmail@web9804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.87.134.248] by web9804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:34:10 PST From: Kate Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mistress Rondinella To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C8E885A.DEFCC1F5@costumemag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:34:10 -0800 (PST) Status: RO So far as I know, Rondi isn't on any of the lists that you posted this note to. I will be happy to forward it to her, though. kate --- Mary Denise Smith wrote: > Would Mistress Rondinella please contact me privately? > > Thanks, > > MD/Marged > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 00:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02339 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:39:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D4U3a00899; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:30:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D4U2W01377; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D4TnW01313 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:29:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27745 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:48:10 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Linda Rice? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:48:10 -0600 (CST) Status: RO Sorry to use the list for this, but I need to reach Linda Rice, and the address I have for her is bouncing. Linda, please contact me directly. Thanks. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 00:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02383 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:51:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D4g3a01746; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D4g1W05080; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix3-hme0.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.83] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2D4ffW04967 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7664 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2002 04:41:40 -0000 Received: from s33.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.83) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 04:41:40 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020312233922.00aa7900@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200203121443.g2CEh2W20633@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_258637233==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #784 - 16 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:43:41 -0500 Status: RO --=====================_258637233==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:43 AM 3/12/02 -0700, you wrote: >On 11 Mar 2002 at 22:15, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote: > > > > Um... have you seen this page? It definitely has prices on it and they > > range from 92 pounds to 448 pounds plus any extras. > > > > http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk/shoes.htm > >How very odd. I wonder why she has two completely different web pages? I >was looking >at: >www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/ The page for Ages Of Elegance belongs to a friend of mine, Dawn Wood, and it's possible she's either a dealer for Sarah Juniper, or got permission to post a current price list. Either way, write and ask *grin* Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_258637233==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 07:43 AM 3/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
On 11 Mar 2002 at 22:15, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg wrote:
>
> Um... have you seen this page?  It definitely has prices on it and they
> range from 92 pounds to 448 pounds plus any extras.
>
> http://www.ageofelegance.dabsol.co.uk/shoes.htm

How very odd. I wonder why she has two completely different web pages? I was looking
at:
www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/

The page for Ages Of Elegance belongs to a friend of mine, Dawn Wood, and it's possible she's either a dealer for Sarah Juniper, or got permission to post a current price list.  Either way, write and ask *grin*

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_258637233==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 01:17:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02434 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:17:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D585a03358; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D581W13640; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D57YW13505 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:07:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p114.directcon.net [209.79.209.163]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00747; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:07:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020312210225.0080fdd0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: <3C8EB7AF.9186ADFD@in-tch.com> References: <200203121502.g2CF25f66102@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <3.0.6.32.20020312105725.0080c270@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:02:25 -0800 Status: RO At 07:21 PM 03/12/2002 -0700, Sue Clemenger wrote: >Okay, Margo...spill....who's your source? I've been wanting to try a >corset with coutil.....;-) Why, Granndgarb.com, of course! Margo "One Tough Costumer" Costume Classes in Northern California: www.margospatterns.com/mayclass.htm See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 03:09:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05877 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:09:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D708a08687; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:00:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D701W16141; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:00:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D6x0W15763 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2D71Kp71728 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:01:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200203130701.g2D71Kp71728@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: <3C8EB7AF.9186ADFD@in-tch.com> "from Sue Clemenger at Mar 12, 2002 07:21:35 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:01:20 -0800 (PST) Status: RO I get mine from greenberg & hammer in NY, It's around $10 a yard if you buy in ten yard increments. Speaking of which, I should order some more. .heather. > Okay, Margo...spill....who's your source? I've been wanting to try a > corset with coutil.....;-) > --Sue > > Margo Anderson wrote: > > > > Until recently, I thought "coutile" meant a herringbone twill weave cotton > > fabric. Then I ordered coutile from a supplier and got plain twill, no > > herringbone weave. When I qestioned it, I was told that "coutile" meant > > twill, and if I want herringbone I need to ask for it specifically. > > > > I strongly recommend herrringbone coutile for corsetry, as twill (which > > includes denim) will tend to stretch and twist diagonally over time, and > > plain weaves such as canvas will stretch in all directions. Herringbone > > coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much > > thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. > > > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 05:06:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06246 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 05:06:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2D8vRa12113; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:57:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D8v0W12956; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:57:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2D8umW12905 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:56:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A45154019E; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:56:49 -0600 Message-ID: <004c01c1ca6c$ba7e4280$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:54:47 -0500 Status: RO Robin, Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside your window that she will be there in a minute. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] Linda Rice? > > Sorry to use the list for this, but I need to reach Linda Rice, and the > address I have for her is bouncing. Linda, please contact me directly. > Thanks. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 06:37:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06478 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:37:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DAS4a15020; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:28:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DAS2W17489; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:28:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DARAW17231 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFB4H4DEYO00XET9@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:29:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFB4GNN3NS00U4TO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:18:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:18:16 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.111) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:18:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-reply-to: <200203121902.g2CJ2EW22916@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <66D69E0567B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:18:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I don't know about the original poster, but with the stress levels my > bust can create in a corset, something that has even a little bit of > streth like denim just doesn't look nearly as good and solid as > coutil. wearing denim, I always feeling like I'm listing to one side.. > ;) Thanks Heather, that's just the sort of detail I might need when making a corset for someone in the future.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 09:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07739 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:51:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DDg3a21510; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DDg1W03440; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (mtao4.east.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DDfOW03228 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020313134119.FHIA10840.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:41:19 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice? Message-ID: <000201c1ca93$ca74a590$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <004c01c1ca6c$ba7e4280$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:34:19 -0500 Status: RO Oh Penny, you know me so well! Thanks for the compliment. On a side note, Robin says my post to her came in garbled. Is it like that for anyone else? We just got a new computer, and I haven't quite gotten WindowsXP figured out yet. I swear it's set to send in text, but maybe I'm missing a setting someplace. Sorry! Linda -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Robin, Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside your window that she will be there in a minute. Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 10:45:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08106 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:45:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DEa2a24424; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:36:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DEa1W20946; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DEZkW20844 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:35:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2DENaH11382 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:23:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C8F64DA.44F05DCA@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice? References: <004c01c1ca6c$ba7e4280$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:40:26 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, but, Penny....using bait like that might attract the wrong sort, like me, in addition to Linda.... --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Robin, > > Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside your > window that she will be there in a minute. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Netherton" > To: "Historic Costume List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:48 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Linda Rice? > > > > > Sorry to use the list for this, but I need to reach Linda Rice, and the > > address I have for her is bouncing. Linda, please contact me directly. > > Thanks. > > > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 10:54:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08160 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:54:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DEi2a24948; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:44:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DEi1W23844; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay1.primushost.com (poseidon.shore.net [207.244.124.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DEhOW23558 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:43:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 16l9yG-0006pd-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:43:16 -0500 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 16l9yG-0000Fq-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:43:16 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: <200203130701.g2D71Kp71728@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:43:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO $10-15 dollars a yard is a small price to pay when a corset takes so little yardage. Unfortunately no one seems to have as heavy a coutil as I could find 5-6 years ago. Sigh. I do have a funny story about ising a plain twill for a corset. I think it was drill (a less expensive alternative, also available from G&H, but works better if self-lined). A friend bought a ready-made corset from a civil war sutler. It was unlined and made from twilled cloth. It was made well but no matter what she did when she put it on it would twist and sit diagonally on her body (didn't help that it had hook instead of a busk)rz ** pulling on the diagonal. If it had been self lined it would have been stabilized. I wonder if extra boning would hav also solved the problem. It was funny when she first put it on and before we figured out what was happening. On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: >I get mine from greenberg & hammer in NY, It's around $10 a yard if >you buy in ten yard increments. > >Speaking of which, I should order some more. > >.heather. > > >> Okay, Margo...spill....who's your source? I've been wanting to try a >> corset with coutil.....;-) >> --Sue >> >> Margo Anderson wrote: >> > >> > Until recently, I thought "coutile" meant a herringbone twill weave cotton >> > fabric. Then I ordered coutile from a supplier and got plain twill, no >> > herringbone weave. When I qestioned it, I was told that "coutile" meant >> > twill, and if I want herringbone I need to ask for it specifically. >> > >> > I strongly recommend herrringbone coutile for corsetry, as twill (which >> > includes denim) will tend to stretch and twist diagonally over time, and >> > plain weaves such as canvas will stretch in all directions. Herringbone >> > coutile has very little stretch, doesn't twist or distort, and is much >> > thinner than an equivalent strength of canvas or denim. >> > >> > Margo >> > "One Tough Costumer" >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 11:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08188 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:00:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DEp1a25378; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DEp0W26394; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay2.primushost.com (relay2.primushost.com [207.244.125.21]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DEoYW26200 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:50:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay2.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 16lA62-00033o-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:51:18 -0500 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) for h-costume@indra.com id 16lA5H-0001nP-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:50:31 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: historic costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset couti Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:50:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I hit something that sent this message too soon. Here goes again. $10-15 dollars a yard seems to be a small price to pay when a corset takes so little yardage. Unfortunately no one seems to have as stiff a coutil as I could find 5-6 years ago. Sigh. I do have a funny story about using a plain twill for a corset. I think it was drill (a less expensive alternative, also available from G&H, but works better if self-lined). A friend bought a ready-made corset from a civil war sutler. It was unlined and made from twilled cloth. It was made well but no matter what she did when she put it on it would twist and sit diagonally on her body (didn't help that it had hook instead of a busk) it was pulling on the diagonal. If it had been self lined it would have been stabilized. I wonder if extra boning casings would have also solved the problem. It was funny when she first put it on and before we figured out what was happening. We thought the dressmaker might have been on drugs :~). I can sometimes find good twilled cottons in a good upholstery/drapery department. Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 12:46:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08527 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:46:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DGb7a07172; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:37:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DGb1W21713; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DGatW21616 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from jkale.public.srce.hr (st01-155.dialin.iskon.hr [213.202.66.156]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g2DGaiJ25021 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:36:45 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020313173930.00a50380@jagor.srce.hr> X-Sender: jkale@jagor.srce.hr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jadran Kale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] URL: selection of Renaissance sculpture portraits, Dalmatia Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:42:03 +0100 Status: RO Hello, here is its URL: http://pubwww.srce.hr/muzej_sibenik/portreti/portret-g02.html You can forward any related queries to me. Sincerely, Jadran Kale Zupanijski muzej, P.p.7, HR-22001 Sibenik Croatia: 385 (0) 22/ 213-880, fax 213-355 @ http://zupanija.sibenik.museum - - Sent with PINE 4.10 from CARNet - - _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 12:59:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08577 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:59:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DGo2a08808; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:50:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DGo0W00302; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:50:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DGnFW29688 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:49:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g2DGn3114097 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:49:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8F82FC.8EC9E69C@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset couti References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:49:00 -0500 Status: RO Question -- what happens if you use two layers (lining & interlining) of a twill and make sure one will twist one way and the other in the opposite direction? Kate Katy Bishop wrote: > I hit something that sent this message too soon. Here goes again. > > $10-15 dollars a yard seems to be a small price to pay when a corset > takes so little yardage. Unfortunately no one seems to have as stiff a > coutil as I could find 5-6 years ago. Sigh. > > I do have a funny story about using a plain twill for a corset. I think > it was drill (a less expensive alternative, also available from G&H, but > works better if self-lined). > > A friend bought a ready-made corset from a civil war sutler. It was > unlined and made from twilled cloth. It was made well but no matter > what she did when she put it on it would twist and sit diagonally on her > body (didn't help that it had hook instead of a busk) it was pulling on > the diagonal. If it had been self lined it would have been stabilized. > I wonder if extra boning casings would have also solved the problem. > It was funny when she first put it on and before we figured out what was > happening. We thought the dressmaker might have been on drugs :~). > > I can sometimes find good twilled cottons in a good upholstery/drapery > department. > > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 14:54:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09351 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DIi7a22675; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:44:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DIi1W15947; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:44:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe54.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.134]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DIhUW15632 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:43:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:43:24 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.28.27] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CA7B.E387F1D0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2002 18:43:24.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[F512EDE0:01C1CABE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:43:19 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CA7B.E387F1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which window??? Where?? Yeah, it's akin to waving a red flag in front of the charging bull or lig= hting that candle to torment the helpless moths.. Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Clemenger Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:58 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice? Yeah, but, Penny....using bait like that might attract the wrong sort, like me, in addition to Linda.... --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Robin, > > Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside your > window that she will be there in a minute. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Netherton" > To: "Historic Costume List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 12:48 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Linda Rice? > > > > > Sorry to use the list for this, but I need to reach Linda Rice, and t= he > > address I have for her is bouncing. 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Yeah, but, Penny....us= ing bait like that might attract the wrong sort,
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> Penny Ladnier
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> Sent: Wednesda= y, March 13, 2002 12:48 AM
> Subject: [h-cost] Linda Rice?
><= BR>> >
> > Sorry to use the list for this, but I need to r= each Linda Rice, and the
> > address I have for her is bouncing.= Linda, please contact me directly.
> > Thanks.
> >
= > > --Robin
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CA7B.E387F1D0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 16:20:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09811 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:20:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DKB5a02552; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DKB0W14155; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DKAeW13989 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:10:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.11b.d239573 (15908) for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from web39.aolmail.aol.com (web39.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.15]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINID99-0313151030; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:10:30 -0500 From: FyneHats2@aol.com To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <11b.d239573.29c10c36@aol.com> Subject: [h-cost] Re: corset coutil Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:10:30 EST Status: RO A good place for coutil for corsets is Alter Years in Southern California. Their web address is - www.alteryears.com and the regular address is: 8960 E. Huntington Dr., San Gabriel, CA 91775-1267 (626) 614-9400 (phone), (626) 614-9499 (fax). The shop is near Pasadena and is a costumer's dream fantasy! I believe it sells for $10 or $12/yd. but it is the herringbone weave. They also sell corset kits and patterns as well. Good luck. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com (323) 344-0919 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 16:41:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09895 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DKW2a04724; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:32:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DKW0W27178; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:32:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay1.primushost.com (poseidon.shore.net [207.244.124.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DKUxW26539 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from (shell3.shore.net) [207.244.124.103] (exim) by relay1.primushost.com with esmtp (Exim) id 16lFO8-0006ts-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:30:20 -0500 Received: from vintage by shell3.shore.net with local (Exim) id 16lFO8-0006qG-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:30:20 -0500 From: Katy Bishop To: Kate Pinner cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset couti In-Reply-To: <3C8F82FC.8EC9E69C@mccc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:30:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think, if you use twill for lining and outer fabric, wrong sides together, the weave will be going different ways and will stabilize each other. The only corsets I have made from drill were self lined and stayed straight. Katy On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Kate Pinner wrote: >Question -- what happens if you use two layers (lining & interlining) of a >twill and make sure one will twist one way and the other in the opposite >direction? >Kate > >Katy Bishop wrote: > >> I hit something that sent this message too soon. Here goes again. >> >> $10-15 dollars a yard seems to be a small price to pay when a corset >> takes so little yardage. Unfortunately no one seems to have as stiff a >> coutil as I could find 5-6 years ago. Sigh. >> >> I do have a funny story about using a plain twill for a corset. I think >> it was drill (a less expensive alternative, also available from G&H, but >> works better if self-lined). >> >> A friend bought a ready-made corset from a civil war sutler. It was >> unlined and made from twilled cloth. It was made well but no matter >> what she did when she put it on it would twist and sit diagonally on her >> body (didn't help that it had hook instead of a busk) it was pulling on >> the diagonal. If it had been self lined it would have been stabilized. >> I wonder if extra boning casings would have also solved the problem. >> It was funny when she first put it on and before we figured out what was >> happening. We thought the dressmaker might have been on drugs :~). >> >> I can sometimes find good twilled cottons in a good upholstery/drapery >> department. >> >> Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian >> vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com >> Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. >> Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 18:36:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11191 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DMRNa18956; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DMR1D24622; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:27:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtai04.cox.net (mtai4.east.cox.net [68.1.17.251]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DMQDD24135 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020313213650.MSOJ10840.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:36:50 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice? Message-ID: <000501c1cad6$3768ed40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3C8F64DA.44F05DCA@in-tch.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:29:54 -0500 Status: RO Penny, you are so bad! Now I'm gonna hafta explain this: A couple of weeks ago, I heard through another friend of mine that a woman who lives in Richmond (VA) was getting out of the SCA and was going to have a "yard sale" of her stash. Well, gee, twist my arm! So, since I was driving over an hour to get there but couldn't meet with this person until after 6pm, I figured I might as well find Penny and make an afternoon adventure of it. Gang, let me warn you, Penny is evil! Yes! Really! She forced me to go to a couple of antique stores, one of which was literally packed to the gills with so much neat old stuff it made my head swim. It's a good thing that I didn't have enough money to buy furniture, or else that boar's headed breakfront would be in my living room right now. (It was $9500, yikes!) Then, because we still had an hour to kill, she made me go to a used bookstore. Arrgh!! No, Penny please, not the books! Yes, I bought a couple of books, which was so not in my budget. I find used books even harder to resist than new ones, because after all, it's not like it will be there when you come back next week, right? I got a really neat one on Jacobean embroidery, and one on Greek folk costumes, and an old one on brass rubbings. So, we finally get to the house with the stash for sale. I can feel my adrenalin rising as I knock on the front door. I am ready for the hunt! Much to my delight, the lady had wonderful taste in fabrics, and the majority of her stash was wools, linens and silks. She seemed to have the same interests as I do, which is Viking period and 14th century. Almost 2 hours later, I'm still wallowing in fabric paradise, yakking away, while poor Penny is sitting on the couch giving me that look that I thought only my sister could give. (My sister has sworn NEVER to go to within 2 miles of a fabric or craft store with me again!) Penny gently reminds me that it's almost 8 o'clock, and she hasn't had dinner yet. Food? Who needs food, I got fabric! Can I help it if I get easily entranced by the flutter of silk veiling? That the small piece of embroidered red silk made me dream of little red silk slippers? I could go on (and on and on) but I know that most of you here understand exactly what I'm talking about. I finally made it out of there with 3 big bags of stuff, and a bit more that she's holding for me. I also got 13 yards of heavy linen canvas to make a tent with, or perhaps soft armor if I decide that it isn't enough for that project. So, be careful where you wave your fabrics, I just might show up! Penny, you ready for a road trip? Linda -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Yeah, but, Penny....using bait like that might attract the wrong sort, like me, in addition to Linda.... --sue Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Robin, > Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside your > window that she will be there in a minute. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 19:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11503 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:44:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2DNZ9a26635; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:35:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DNZ2D03527; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:35:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DNYuD03463 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:34:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lIGm-0007WR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:34:56 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:27:52 -0700 Status: RO My re-enactment group has asked me to help them get their costumes to be more authentic. This group identifies themselves as 'Celtic', but roughly translated I think they really mean Scots. Though their "period" can be anywhere from 11th century to 1650, most of them attempt the Elizabethan period. They are working class trades folk-people who spin, weave, -mostly make their consumables. Most of them wear a leine, bodices and several skirts. I've not found much specific to that time or place. I've assumed that with the proximity of England, Scotland that the fashions which the wealthy liberally imported from the continent just trickled down to the lower classes-they just imitated it to the degree they could. So do you think a bodice and skirt is still appropriate? Most of the stuff I have seen looks more like they have a gown attached to a bodice. So-I'd be interested in your thoughts on that Now the fitting question. Most of these gals are generously sized. They are not interested in "cinching it up" so to speak-wearing a corset. Is it safe to assume that bodices (skirt attached or not) might be lightly boned (like at the closure) and just stiffly lined? I was thinking about using the "lying down and letting gravity take its course" method for getting a snug but not too tight fit. I used that successfully on myself when I made Drea's Kirtle-anyone had any experience with it fitting larger women? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 20:19:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11621 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:19:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E09ea00205; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:09:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E08DD21160; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:08:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E07UD20811 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:07:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout45-01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSX00287SBZMF@mtaout45-01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3C8FEA4E.30403@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: [h-cost] coutil/twill corset Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:09:50 -0600 Status: RO I use twill all the time for corsets and have never had a problem with them twisting. Possibly because, when I cut out the fabric for the corsets I have the fabric folded and cut out 2 panels at a time, so therefore when the lining is sewn to the outer fabric, the twills would naturally be going in the opposite direction. Maybe they work together to stablize it? I use coutil whenever it is important for the corset to be as thinly made as possible. Like if it is going under a fine muslin or lightweight damask or silk charmeuse that is fitted. I use coutil as a lining for corsets that are made from satin or silk brocades for stability and durability. I use canvas mostly for elizabethan/tudor styled corsets. It does stretch, but since I recommend to my people that they wash the corset after the first couple of wearings, they usually shrink just enough to compensate for the stretching. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 20:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11630 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:20:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E0AVa00308; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:10:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E0ATD22428; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:10:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E00xD17485 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:01:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8351601FA; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:00:53 -0600 Message-ID: <006701c1caeb$2a5f52a0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000501c1cad6$3768ed40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:55:54 -0500 Status: RO Hmmm... the first time I have been accused of making someone go shopping. I guess I will need to break your arm to come to Richmond for the big antique show at the fairgrounds this weekend!!!!! I am going to it to look for more photographs and fashion plates. I am also looking for my next gown to wear to the ball this summer. Linda, I think the antique book show is in May. Oh! The Southern Women's Show is at the fairgrounds April 12-14. I went last year and it was GRAND!!! Lots of fun fashion shows. This show travels all over the South. So if interested and want to see if it is coming to city http://www.southernshows.com/sws/index.html Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rice" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice? > Penny, you are so bad! Now I'm gonna hafta explain this: > > A couple of weeks ago, I heard through another friend of mine that a > woman who lives in Richmond (VA) was getting out of the SCA and was > going to have a "yard sale" of her stash. Well, gee, twist my arm! So, > since I was driving over an hour to get there but couldn't meet with > this person until after 6pm, I figured I might as well find Penny and > make an afternoon adventure of it. Gang, let me warn you, Penny is evil! > Yes! Really! She forced me to go to a couple of antique stores, one of > which was literally packed to the gills with so much neat old stuff it > made my head swim. It's a good thing that I didn't have enough money to > buy furniture, or else that boar's headed breakfront would be in my > living room right now. (It was $9500, yikes!) > > Then, because we still had an hour to kill, she made me go to a used > bookstore. Arrgh!! No, Penny please, not the books! Yes, I bought a > couple of books, which was so not in my budget. I find used books even > harder to resist than new ones, because after all, it's not like it will > be there when you come back next week, right? I got a really neat one on > Jacobean embroidery, and one on Greek folk costumes, and an old one on > brass rubbings. > > So, we finally get to the house with the stash for sale. I can feel my > adrenalin rising as I knock on the front door. I am ready for the hunt! > Much to my delight, the lady had wonderful taste in fabrics, and the > majority of her stash was wools, linens and silks. She seemed to have > the same interests as I do, which is Viking period and 14th century. > Almost 2 hours later, I'm still wallowing in fabric paradise, yakking > away, while poor Penny is sitting on the couch giving me that look that > I thought only my sister could give. (My sister has sworn NEVER to go to > within 2 miles of a fabric or craft store with me again!) Penny gently > reminds me that it's almost 8 o'clock, and she hasn't had dinner yet. > Food? Who needs food, I got fabric! Can I help it if I get easily > entranced by the flutter of silk veiling? That the small piece of > embroidered red silk made me dream of little red silk slippers? I could > go on (and on and on) but I know that most of you here understand > exactly what I'm talking about. I finally made it out of there with 3 > big bags of stuff, and a bit more that she's holding for me. I also got > 13 yards of heavy linen canvas to make a tent with, or perhaps soft > armor if I decide that it isn't enough for that project. > > So, be careful where you wave your fabrics, I just might show up! Penny, > you ready for a road trip? > > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > > Yeah, but, Penny....using bait like that might attract the wrong sort, > like me, in addition to Linda.... > --sue > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > Robin, > > Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside > your > > window that she will be there in a minute. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 20:33:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11691 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:33:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E0M4a01484; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E0M1D28167; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E0LBD27705 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:21:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p19.directcon.net [209.79.209.68]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17304; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:20:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020313160608.0081ce60@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:06:08 -0800 Status: RO At 04:27 PM 03/13/2002 -0700, Saragrace knauf wrote: >Now the fitting question. Most of these gals are generously sized. They >are not interested in "cinching it up" so to speak-wearing a corset. Is it >safe to assume that bodices (skirt attached or not) might be lightly boned >(like at the closure) and just stiffly lined? That's how I do it. I recently taught a class in lower class Renn Faire costume and realized I'd been noble too long--I didn't have anything resembling a lower class "wench" bodice. So I made one. Rather to my srprise, I found that my standard pattern for a upper class front fastened bodice worked just fine with no alteration beyond using lacing rather than hooks. It makes a big difference when your goal is authentic flattening rather than "tits on a plate'! I made it in wool, flatlined with duck, and boned it at the center front opening, and with diagonals running from the corner of the neck to the center front waist, and from the lower front armseye to the center front waist. These two pairs of diagonals flattened my bosom quite adequately and gave me comfortable support. I'm a size 28 C-D cup. You can see a picture of the results here: http://www.margospatterns.com/MayClass.htm Which is probably the only time anyone's ever going to see me wearing the Generic Wench, brass grommets and all. That's my Flemish attempt next to me, but it doesn't fit that dress form at all. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 21:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11915 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:26:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E1IBa06541; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:18:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E1I1D22328; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E1GHD21804 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:16:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lJqM-0001mT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:15:46 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women Organization: PII Message-ID: <000301c1caf4$cf2dc9c0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020313160608.0081ce60@pop.directcon.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:08:53 -0700 Status: RO Oh yes-this looks very nice. I think I will cheat a bit and use your patterns for the starting point! **http://www.margospatterns.com/MayClass.htm Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 21:52:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12047 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:52:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E1h2a08083; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:43:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E1h1D01688; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:43:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumedesign.net (ns2.plugit.com [63.66.1.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E1gWD01527 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a [68.61.33.252] by costumedesign.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A319E928005C; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000901c1caf9$67e4cd40$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> From: "Kelly Rinne" To: References: <000501c1cad6$3768ed40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by ElectroSHIELD (www.plugit.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Kelly Rinne" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:41:47 -0500 Status: RO Penny- two words: Power Bars. My boyfriend is the SAME WAY in resale shops, so I hav always learned to carry something to eat that travels well. And yes, I know they taste like a hockey puck. -kel ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Rice To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice? > Penny, you are so bad! Now I'm gonna hafta explain this: > > A couple of weeks ago, I heard through another friend of mine that a > woman who lives in Richmond (VA) was getting out of the SCA and was > going to have a "yard sale" of her stash. Well, gee, twist my arm! So, > since I was driving over an hour to get there but couldn't meet with > this person until after 6pm, I figured I might as well find Penny and > make an afternoon adventure of it. Gang, let me warn you, Penny is evil! > Yes! Really! She forced me to go to a couple of antique stores, one of > which was literally packed to the gills with so much neat old stuff it > made my head swim. It's a good thing that I didn't have enough money to > buy furniture, or else that boar's headed breakfront would be in my > living room right now. (It was $9500, yikes!) > > Then, because we still had an hour to kill, she made me go to a used > bookstore. Arrgh!! No, Penny please, not the books! Yes, I bought a > couple of books, which was so not in my budget. I find used books even > harder to resist than new ones, because after all, it's not like it will > be there when you come back next week, right? I got a really neat one on > Jacobean embroidery, and one on Greek folk costumes, and an old one on > brass rubbings. > > So, we finally get to the house with the stash for sale. I can feel my > adrenalin rising as I knock on the front door. I am ready for the hunt! > Much to my delight, the lady had wonderful taste in fabrics, and the > majority of her stash was wools, linens and silks. She seemed to have > the same interests as I do, which is Viking period and 14th century. > Almost 2 hours later, I'm still wallowing in fabric paradise, yakking > away, while poor Penny is sitting on the couch giving me that look that > I thought only my sister could give. (My sister has sworn NEVER to go to > within 2 miles of a fabric or craft store with me again!) Penny gently > reminds me that it's almost 8 o'clock, and she hasn't had dinner yet. > Food? Who needs food, I got fabric! Can I help it if I get easily > entranced by the flutter of silk veiling? That the small piece of > embroidered red silk made me dream of little red silk slippers? I could > go on (and on and on) but I know that most of you here understand > exactly what I'm talking about. I finally made it out of there with 3 > big bags of stuff, and a bit more that she's holding for me. I also got > 13 yards of heavy linen canvas to make a tent with, or perhaps soft > armor if I decide that it isn't enough for that project. > > So, be careful where you wave your fabrics, I just might show up! Penny, > you ready for a road trip? > > Linda > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > > Yeah, but, Penny....using bait like that might attract the wrong sort, > like me, in addition to Linda.... > --sue > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > Robin, > > Linda works at night but I am sure if you wave some fabric outside > your > > window that she will be there in a minute. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] > > > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 23:01:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12314 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:01:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E2q2a12386; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E2q1D25005; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw03.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E2pjD24923 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:51:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web29 (209.185.149.10) id 3C8FFB9A0000B07C for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:44:42 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Half round pearls? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:56:09 -0500 Status: RO Can anyone tell me how pearls (which seem to be half-round pearls) may have been attached to a 1560's Renaissance gown fabric? You would think the painted depictions would show holes in the pearls if they were sewn in place, but none I have seen do. Would they have used some kind of glue? Also, does anyone know of a source for non-oval 8-10 mm half round pearls (preferably glass) I can order from? I'm having a terrible time finding anything other than fresh water rice pearls and faux plastic spherical beads. (And by the way, Bjarne, I have tried the emboiery of metalic gold with a similarly colored silk thread on the ivory organza chemisette/partlet and it works perfectly! I decided I would prefer gold on white, instead of white on white to match the rest of the gown I'm working on. Thanks for the tip -- I would never have thought of it on my own.) Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Mar 13 23:19:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12364 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:19:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E323a12974; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E321D28074; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E31kD27994 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:01:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjIokozWJcNKk8KBziaGkdRqSaRUOlBn7g=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GVT3KG5X; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:01:06 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Half round pearls? Message-ID: <20020313.210236.-282721.3.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,8-15,17-19,21-29 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:02:36 -0600 Status: RO I have gotten half-round glass pearls from Berger Beads in LA. I don't believe they do business on the web, but you can call and ask them about their stock, the times that I have called them they have been very helpful. And they sell something called 'rim settings' which are a thin band of gold or silver with prongs that go down into the fabric. They are quite effective and set the pearls off quite nicely. Yes, Berger carries those as well. Karen On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:56:09 -0500 "Kimberly Tribe" writes: > Can anyone tell me how pearls (which seem to be half-round pearls) > may have been attached to a 1560's Renaissance gown fabric? You > would think the painted depictions would show holes in the pearls if they > > were sewn in place, but none I have seen do. Would they have used > some kind of glue? > > Also, does anyone know of a source for non-oval 8-10 mm half round > pearls (preferably glass) I can order from? I'm having a terrible > time finding anything other than fresh water rice pearls and faux > plastic spherical beads. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 00:16:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12547 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 00:16:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E47va17567; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:07:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E472D17744; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E46fD17646 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:06:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p149.directcon.net [209.233.107.149]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11645; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:06:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020313195029.008201e0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Half round pearls? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:50:29 -0800 Status: RO > > Also, does anyone know of a source for non-oval 8-10 mm half round >pearls (preferably glass) I can order from? I'm having a terrible >time finding anything other than fresh water rice pearls and faux >plastic spherical beads. > Try this site: rhinestoneguy.com They have half round, or flat back, pearls. They're plastic, but the ones I bought look pretty good. They also might be able to find glass ones for you, their website says they can find special requests. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 02:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16198 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2E5vJa24122; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:57:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E5v1M17457; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E5uGM17236 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:56:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020314055610.XPLK2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:56:10 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020313234814.02b957e0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] better sources for corset coutil?-why not canvas? In-Reply-To: References: <200203130701.g2D71Kp71728@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:50:29 -0600 Status: RO You might want to try http://www.macdonaldfaber.com/ they are located in Toronto and the prices are in Canadian. That is where I bought mine. It isn't cheap but they have some different styles available. Oh, and they call it corset cloth on the site. You might want to try them... Oh, and they also sell boning and millinery supplies... Cheers, Danielle At 09:43 AM 3/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: >$10-15 dollars a yard is a small price to pay when a corset takes so >little yardage. Unfortunately no one seems to have as heavy a coutil as >I could find 5-6 years ago. Sigh. > >I do have a funny story about ising a plain twill for a corset. I think >it was drill (a less expensive alternative, also available from G&H, but >works better if self-lined). > >A friend bought a ready-made corset from a civil war sutler. It was >unlined and made from twilled cloth. It was made well but no matter >what she did when she put it on it would twist and sit diagonally on her >body (didn't help that it had hook instead of a busk)rz >** >pulling on the diagonal. If it had been self lined >it would have been stabilized. I wonder if extra boning would hav also >solved the problem. It was funny when she first put it on and before we >figured out what was happening. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 06:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09292 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:16:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EA7Ea03184; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:07:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EA70M18273; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:07:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EA60M18041 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFCI5OVCE800FZZ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:08:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFCI5MINEC00XRCT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:08:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:01:21 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:00:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.66) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:00:55 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for Margo (WAS: Period "Peasant Bodice") In-reply-to: <200203140303.g2E33mD28670@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <68520BC4FB4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:00:55 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Margo, Leading on from nothing in particular.... Did you ever finish the outfit you were making to review the Simplicity "Shakespeare in Love" pattern? I know you put it aside when you started work on your pattern business, but did you ever get back to it? Teddy Teddy Bibliographical Services Middlesex University Bounds Green Road London N11 2NQ Tel: (020) 8362 6405 E-mail: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 10:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14157 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EEW3a13485; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:32:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EEW0M05520; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:32:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11702.mail.yahoo.com (web11702.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2EEVqM05483 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:31:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020314143151.86206.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.57.239.163] by web11702.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:31:51 PST From: carol Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020312034648.64730.qmail@web11702.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:31:51 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Many Thanks to everyone for all your help in finding this book .... when it arrives, I will post many happy dances to you all Regards Carol ===== ....you cease to mourn the morning when you celebrate the night ..... 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Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 10:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14210 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:56:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EEm1a14761; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EEm1M11031; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:48:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EElYM10855 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:47:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSY0058EWHERL@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:34:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3C90B58F.5000008@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: [h-cost] Peasantry question? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:37:03 -0600 Status: RO This is something I have always had issues with. And I was curious as to what others opinions were. Does everyone think that female peasants during the late Renaissance era in England wore tight bodices? I know that frequently it is simply people trying to do the "movie land" bar maid look,and standard RenFair, but in reality how many woman in the real working class level would have worn bodices that were stiff and tight? In all the reproductions of woodcuts, and paintings of artists works, that I have seen, whenever I see working people in the pictures, they are usually in fairly loose clothing, lots of curves in the bustline area. Granted, mostly these are European artists and paintings for the most part, but I just feel strongly that it would carry over to England also. For examples of what I am talking about check out the art of the following Aertsen, Beuckelaer, Bruegel. I am sure there are many more, I just don't have time to find them. Anyone have an opinion? -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 11:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14419 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:45:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EFb2a19028; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EFb1M01874; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2EFaUM01635 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:36:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020314153628.70930.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.54.226.52] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:36:28 PST From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C90B58F.5000008@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:36:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- "Linda J. Thompson" wrote: > Does everyone think that female peasants during the late > Renaissance > era in England wore tight bodices? I know that frequently it is > simply people trying to do the "movie land" bar maid look,and > standard > RenFair, but in reality how many woman in the real working class > level > would have worn bodices that were stiff and tight? I think if they were ample-bosomed, they would have worn a tight bodice for support. I am in the D+ category, and I like my bodices to be SNUG, and not just because of the way it looks, but because it provides the support I need. I could not STAND to work in a loose bodice! Gotta keep those puppies strapped down real tight... mirv ===== Megan Irvine Check out my new EBay store: http://www.ebaystores.com/darkthreadsdesigns My personal page: http://www.geocities.com/mirv_sewing/ My business Web site (under construction): http://www.darkthreads.com/ Adventure can be real happiness.--Fortune Cookie __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 11:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14439 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:51:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EFg3a19546; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EFg2M04067; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EFfoM03961 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p253.directcon.net [209.233.107.253]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16298; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:41:43 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020314072435.00823480@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for Margo (WAS: Period "Peasant Bodice") In-Reply-To: <68520BC4FB4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200203140303.g2E33mD28670@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:24:35 -0800 Status: RO At 10:00 AM 03/14/2002 +0000, Teddy wrote: >Hi Margo, > >Leading on from nothing in particular.... > >Did you ever finish the outfit you were making to review the >Simplicity "Shakespeare in Love" pattern? I know you put it aside >when you started work on your pattern business, but did you ever >get back to it? > No, I never did. First I was too busy, and now...well, I'm still too busy, but it also seems counterproductive to spend a lot of my time creating a webpage to help people use that pattern when, in my humble opinion, there's now a better option. My patterns include all the construction details I thought were so nifty about the SIL pattern, but they also have properly cut bodices and a lot of other options as well. If anyone else wants to do it, though, go ahead! Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 13:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14881 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:21:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EHCAa29644; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:12:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EHC1M25873; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw03.prontomail.com ([209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EHAvM25225 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web21 (209.185.149.10) id 3C905E1E0002AE1E for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:03:53 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <6159DACBB5C25F745BD469CCBBD33D36@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:15:24 -0500 Status: RO I've fitted the garments you're describing on larger ladies before, and I've found that you usually need an additional piece of boning at the sides under the arm to keep the sides from creeping and bunching - - because the skirts which are attached are usually not heavy enough in weight to keep the sides from folding horizontally/bunching. I suppose if your stiffening were fairly severe it would work in the same manner, but you would still probably have some creeping as even stiff interlinings will fold under any stress. Just my two-bits. =) Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 14:26:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15205 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:26:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EIH3a08763; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EIF3V00604; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EI3MM20328 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:03:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5C4F0C00E4; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:02:44 -0600 Message-ID: <001101c1cb82$4c9c8e40$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] VCR Alert Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:01:42 -0500 Status: RO Starting at 1PM (east coast time) right now, TCM (Turner's movie channel) will be showing Marie Antoinette and tonight is Cleopatra and Spartacus. To find out what time these movies are in your time zone go to http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/Schedule/Index Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 14:45:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15349 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:45:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EIata12440; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EIOBV07980; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:24:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from pageartists.com (usedpowerchutes.com [207.159.140.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EIK0V04791 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:20:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from ravenxprt (pdx-ppp69.pop1.net [209.102.125.119]) by pageartists.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15906 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:19:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009701c1cb85$9a346b20$2dd9fea9@com> From: "Brenna" To: References: <6159DACBB5C25F745BD469CCBBD33D36@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:25:15 -0800 Status: RO If the sides are bunching then possibly the bodice waist has been made too long. I know this has probably been pointed out but I'll do it again anyways - the correct (and sensible) order of construction would be from the skin out - first the chemise, then the skirt, _then_ the bodice. I've seen too many women try to figure out why their bodice won't fit right when they did it _first_ without establishing the waistline via the skirt or the armseye or neckline by way of the chemise. As for extensive boning (or the lack thereof), my experience has shown that even the most ample bust can be supported well (in the Elizabethan style) by just four bones - two on each side. The first pair runs straight down the front regardless of the closure placement. The second, if needed, runs from the bottom point up to about where the armseye curves from horizontal to vertical on the front of the body. You have to "play" with that one to see just where it should be. (If there is a back closure, then a pair is needed there for closure support or _it_ will scrunch.) If it looks like it needs vertical boning on the sides, then the bodice is too long. Try shortening it. If you don't want to cut it right away, just turn it up and tug down on the foldline. It should prove itself. Been there; done that; tailoring has become one of my fortes..... (I'll make that #%^*% thing _fit_!) btw - the skirt fabric for a lower-class woman would be _heavy_, not light. Those sheer float-y fabrics that so many use would be, in period, prohibitively expensive for the lower-classes. The time and effort to spin and then weave with that fine a thread ..... And then to finish the seam so it didn't fall apart ..... again, extra work. ttyl, Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 15:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15544 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:05:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EIv3a15334; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EIv1V29889; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EIu2V29227 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-122-171-modem.o1.com [66.81.122.171]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EHphR26916 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:51:43 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020314094452.04f631b0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? In-Reply-To: <3C90B58F.5000008@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:48:52 -0800 Status: RO >Does everyone think that female peasants during the late Renaissance era >in England wore tight bodices? I know that frequently it is simply people >trying to do the "movie land" bar maid look,and standard RenFair, but in >reality how many woman in the real working class level would have worn >bodices that were stiff and tight? There's tight, and there's tight. Tight enough to keep the anatomy from flopping (I call that 'snug'), yes. Tight enough to constrict the diaphragm and affect breathing (I call that 'kinky'), no need to. >In all the reproductions of woodcuts, and paintings of artists works, that >I have seen, whenever I see working people in the pictures, they are >usually in fairly loose clothing, lots of curves in the bustline >area. Granted, mostly these are European artists and paintings for the >most part, but I just feel strongly that it would carry over to England >also. For examples of what I am talking about check out the art of the >following Aertsen, Beuckelaer, Bruegel. I am sure there are many more, I >just don't have time to find them. The bodices are tight enough to keep the anatomy behaving, as witness the smooth lines of said bodices. But the flat front thing seems to have been upper class, and usually English/French/Spanish. The Germans didn't do it unless they were wearing Spanish-inspired styles. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 15:32:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15673 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:32:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EJO1a18889; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EJO0V17514; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:24:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EJN1V16992 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:23:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234016pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.178.225]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSZ007BD9U8Y0@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:22:56 -0500 (EST) From: Liz / Cozit Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? msgs To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3C90F891.84BCC879@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200203141902.g2EJ23V03602@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: cozit@comcast.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:22:57 -0500 Status: RO I have to admit to some creeping problems with my Irish dress. The bodice is *not* too long, if anything, it's about a quarter or half inch too short... my shape just wants to make it creep up, and I find that I tug it down periodically... more often than I notice a real need to. Two bones down the center front, since that's where it's laced. Next similar such I'll be putting another on each side, most likely. Laced snugly... far from tight, but enough that I won't have to keep "adjusting myself" more than every few hours, without the additional boning and/or stiffening the nobles bodice has it does make a noticable curve in front, somedays more than others... and I'm not particularly large in front... well, other than the weight that's been creeping up on me. A heavier skirt would help a bit... but not all that much... since I've attatched the underskirt to the inside of the bodice on occasion as well, and the creeping has been no less. Still experimenting, -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 16:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15874 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:32:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EKN7a25134; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:23:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EKN1V24418; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:23:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pageartists.com (usedpowerchutes.com [207.159.140.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EKMFV23990 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:22:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from ravenxprt (pdx-ppp69.pop1.net [209.102.125.119]) by pageartists.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07691 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00e001c1cb96$acf8bd40$2dd9fea9@com> From: "Brenna" To: References: <200203141902.g2EJ23V03602@net.indra.com> <3C90F891.84BCC879@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? msgs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:27:31 -0800 Status: RO Um, Liz .... if you're having to re-adjust at all, it's not fitting right. It sounds too loose. I've fitted bodices well enough for women who had to worry about "jiggle factor" that even after dancing a jig, they didn't need to re-adjust anything. Bear in mind that when you go to fuss with your clothes _when_you're_wearing_them_ that it frequently makes your shoulders and, hence, bodice to rise causing it to _seem_ like the bodice is too short. Try having someone else check (and tug and check) it. Preferrably someone who knows what they're doing. It can make all the difference in the world..... later, Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 17:34:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16244 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:34:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ELPJa02527; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ELP2815040; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ELOZ814785 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:24:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 23417168 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:31:05 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c1cb9e$b017b6e0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1CB6C.64EF5EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] fabric source Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:24:55 -0600 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1CB6C.64EF5EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a good online source for wool? I have silk and linen = and cotton merchants in my bookmarks, but no one seems to have a very = good selection of wools. ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of = Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1CB6C.64EF5EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C1CB6C.64EF5EC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 17:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16284 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:45:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ELb1a04348; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ELb1822715; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ELaO822359 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GSZ002TVG0I23@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:36:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3C911870.6050004@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:56 -0600 Status: RO >There's tight, and there's tight. Tight enough to keep the anatomy from >flopping (I call that 'snug'), yes. Tight enough to constrict the >diaphragm and affect breathing (I call that 'kinky'), no need to. >>In all the reproductions of woodcuts, and paintings of artists works, that >>I have seen, whenever I see working people in the pictures, they are >>usually in fairly loose clothing, lots of curves in the bustline >>area. Granted, mostly these are European artists and paintings for the >>most part, but I just feel strongly that it would carry over to England >>also. For examples of what I am talking about check out the art of the >>following Aertsen, Beuckelaer, Bruegel. I am sure there are many more, I >>just don't have time to find them. >The bodices are tight enough to keep the anatomy behaving, as witness the >smooth lines of said bodices. But the flat front thing seems to have been >upper class, and usually English/French/Spanish. The Germans didn't do it >unless they were wearing Spanish-inspired styles. >Kayta But if you look at Bruegels work, the bodices on the peasants aren't tight at all. They don't waste a lot of fabric so they follow the form, but they are hardly snug in many cases. You can see areas where there are wrinkles and folds in the fabric. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 17:50:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16295 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:49:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ELf1a04866; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ELf0824920; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ELev824876 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:40:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from acs.ryerson.ca ([64.231.184.192]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020314214056.ORB27360.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@acs.ryerson.ca> for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3C91149E.BF702E67@acs.ryerson.ca> From: Kathy Cleaver X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? References: <4.3.1.2.20020314094452.04f631b0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:22:38 -0500 Status: RO Taline I give all makeup tests in Apr during exam week and they are short answer tests (not multiple choice). 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Lic. #065455-94 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 18:15:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16417 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:15:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2EM6Ia08012; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:06:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2EM6A811615; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:06:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2EM5B810778 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:05:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 18619 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 22:05:07 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 22:05:07 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (d42.nas25.sonic.net [209.204.154.42]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g2EM56Q21413 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:05:06 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:07:23 -0800 Status: RO What do they call a yardstick in England, Canada, and Australia? A meter stick? Do they sell anything corresponding to a 12-inch "foot" ruler, and what is it called? Do they sell 6-inch rulers and if so what do they call them? In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool). Is that true in countries that only use the metric system? Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for copying patterns from clothes? Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, or only a few? Thanks for any enlightenment, Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web page! 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Is > that true in countries that only use the metric system? > Here in the Netherlands they only sell the metric ones. I have one with also inches on it but it is is damaged. I use a lot of patterns wich are in inches. So I tried to find a new one. But I havn't found one yet. > > Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead > of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to > me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for > copying patterns from clothes? I can olny find pattern-drafting paper without lines ore dots on it. I had paper with squares on it, they were 4 by 4 cm. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 19:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16674 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:25:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ENG3a16219; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ENG1822459; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from post.webmailer.de (natwar.webmailer.de [192.67.198.70]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ENFD821976 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:15:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from lestat (dialin-212-144-156-243.arcor-ip.net [212.144.156.243]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA09351 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:14:59 +0100 (MET) From: webmaster@marquise.de Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020315000909.011f4cb0@post.strato.de> X-Sender: webmaster@marquise.de@post.strato.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6597927==_.ALT" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:16:43 +0100 Status: RO --=====================_6597927==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both >English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool). Is >that true in countries that only use the metric system? i haven't seen any tools with inches on them in germany. i needed one for use with inch patterns, so i brought a double-sided ruler home from hong kong. >Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead >of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to >me)? there's copying paper with a 1 cm grid. not dotted, but actual lines. i think it only seems small if you're not used to it. >Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, >or only a few? if you mean the english-speaking countries, i think most people are still rooted in the imperial system - whenever an englishperson talks of measurements to me, the imperial/metric gap between them and me is painfully noticeable. the continent is very firmly metric, of course. ciao, alexa --=====================_6597927==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both
English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool).  Is
that true in countries that only use the metric system?

i haven't seen any tools with inches on them in germany. i needed one for use with inch patterns, so i brought a double-sided ruler home from hong kong.

Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead
of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid  is used (1 cm seems small to
me)?

there's copying paper with a 1 cm grid. not dotted, but actual lines. i think it only seems small if you're not used to it.

Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system,
or only a few?

if you mean the english-speaking countries, i think most people are still rooted in the imperial system - whenever an englishperson talks of measurements to me, the imperial/metric gap between them and me is painfully noticeable. the continent is very firmly metric, of course.

ciao,
alexa

 --=====================_6597927==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 21:11:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17059 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:11:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F13Ca28909; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:03:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F131O29541; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:03:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F120O29121 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p126-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.217.126]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id OAA18995 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:01:58 +1300 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p126-nas7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.217.126] claimed to be user Message-ID: <002b01c1cbbc$cccd95c0$7ed9adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:00:19 +1300 Status: RO > What do they call a yardstick in England, Canada, and Australia? A > meter stick? NZ is extremely comparable to Aus, except their sizes are one step more generous than we are. Except we are now using their sizes... I don't know specifically what you are refering to, we have long metal rulers for metal and wood crafts, and in the sewing business we tend to just use measuring tapes. When we buy fabric, there is a metal ruler sunk into the table, and from the customer side it looks like it has both inches and cms on it. It's about 1.5m long > Do they sell anything corresponding to a 12-inch "foot" ruler, and > what is it called? Do they sell 6-inch rulers and if so what do they > call them? yes, a 30cm ruler, often it will have mm on the other side, but occasionally you can still find rulers with cm on one edge and inches on the other. It's approx the same length as a 12" ruler. The shorter rulers are 15cm and as above. They are just called rulers or short rulers. On the packet they are sold according to the metric length. > In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both > English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool). Is > that true in countries that only use the metric system? Um... increasingly difficult to find both inches and cms on rulers not just used for sewing, but because we get so many items from countries that primarily sell to the US we still get both units on many tools. Measuring tapes nearly always have inches on one side and cms on the other. > Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead > of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to > me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for > copying patterns from clothes? I have a big cardboard cutting mat with 2.5cm grids. This is close to a 1" grid but over a distance quite quite different. I haven't seen the gridded interfacing stuff, which I am dying to use as it would make my pattern transfer that much easier. > Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, > or only a few? Very well understood, and it depends on the age really. Though when younger like myself you were genrally taught by an older generation that used the empirical system. And of course Patterns of Fashion and tailoring books primarily use the empirical system. I have to tag on a quote here. NOTE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND AMERICANS: One shilling = Five pee. It helps to understand the antique finances of the Witchfinder army if you know the original British monotary system: Two farthings = One ha'penny. Two ha'penny's = One Penny. Three pennies = A thruppeny bit. Two thrupences = A sixpense. Two sixpenses = a shilling, or a Bob. Two bob = a florin. One florin and one sixpense = Half a crown. Four half crowns = ten bob note. Two ten bon notes = One pound (or 240 pennies). One pound and one shilling = One Guinea. The British resisted decimalized currency for a long time because they thought it was too complicated. ~Terry Pratchett, Good Omens (it feels more like Pterry than Neil Gaimen who co wrote the novel) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 21:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17111 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:28:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F1K1a00203; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:20:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F1K0O06308; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:20:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F1JYO06135 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:19:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020315011927.JGKL2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:19:27 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020314190645.02d552f0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? In-Reply-To: <3C90B58F.5000008@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:11:01 -0600 Status: RO At 08:37 AM 3/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: >This is something I have always had issues with. And I was curious as to >what others opinions were. > >Does everyone think that female peasants during the late Renaissance era >in England wore tight bodices? I know that frequently it is simply people >trying to do the "movie land" bar maid look,and standard RenFair, but in >reality how many woman in the real working class level would have worn >bodices that were stiff and tight? > >In all the reproductions of woodcuts, and paintings of artists works, that >I have seen, whenever I see working people in the pictures, they are >usually in fairly loose clothing, lots of curves in the bustline >area. Granted, mostly these are European artists and paintings for the >most part, but I just feel strongly that it would carry over to England >also. For examples of what I am talking about check out the art of the >following Aertsen, Beuckelaer, Bruegel. I am sure there are many more, I >just don't have time to find them. > >Anyone have an opinion? >-- >Linda Thompson Yup, I certainly do. : ) I personally have found no evidence for the lower orders wearing boned bodices... If you look at sketches, etchings, prints, etc... you can see more images of artisan or labouring class people. In all the ones that come to mind, there are bust curves on the women, and wrinkles in the bodices. It becomes quite readily apparent that it is pretty much only in portraiture (where the artist has to please the person who commissioned the painting) that you see perfectly smooth, wrinkle-free bodice fronts. Besides, if you look at the Holbein drawings you can even find bust curves and wrinkles. So, I think they were probably worn snug enough to give support but not too tight to interfere with movement or comfort. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 21:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17115 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:28:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F1KCa00222; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F1KAO06390; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:20:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F1JhO06205 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:19:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020315011937.JGPK2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:19:37 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020314191952.02d52cb0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:22:31 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, Actually, in Canada (or at least where I lived in Ontario) it was still called a yardstick. : ) Most rulers available had inches on one side an centimeters on the other and were frequently either 12 or 18 inches long. The switch to metric from Imperial seems to have happened in the later 1970s in Canada because I remember having to switch systems while I was in grade school so it's not as firmly entrenched as it might be in some other countries. Cheers, Danielle At 02:07 PM 3/14/2002 -0800, you wrote: >What do they call a yardstick in England, Canada, and Australia? A >meter stick? > >Do they sell anything corresponding to a 12-inch "foot" ruler, and >what is it called? Do they sell 6-inch rulers and if so what do they >call them? > >In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both >English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool). Is >that true in countries that only use the metric system? > >Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead >of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to >me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for >copying patterns from clothes? > >Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, >or only a few? > >Thanks for any enlightenment, > >Fran > >--------------------------------------------- >Visit our web page! >Books on historic costume and vintage clothes >http://www.lavoltapress.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 21:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17203 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:57:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F1n1a01893; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F1n0O16298; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f191.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.191]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F1m2O16001 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:47:56 -0800 Received: from 66.136.213.22 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:47:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.213.22] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2002 01:47:56.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E0DBD60:01C1CBC3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:47:56 Status: RO >Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead >of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to >me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for >copying patterns from clothes? > "gridded interfacing type stuff" ? Where can I get some of this? Mary/Katerine _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 22:14:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17268 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:14:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F262a03087; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:06:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F261O22241; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:06:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F257O21899 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:05:07 -0700 (MST) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2F27SM86302 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:07:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200203150207.g2F27SM86302@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: "from Mary Temple at Mar 15, 2002 01:47:56 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:07:28 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Jo-anns sells it, with the interfacing. > >Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead > >of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to > >me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for > >copying patterns from clothes? > > > "gridded interfacing type stuff" ? Where can I get some of this? > > Mary/Katerine > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 22:17:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17288 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:17:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F293a03301; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F293O23387; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g282CaJ08382 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:12:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from duck ([24.130.169.157]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020308021231.MJWO1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@duck> for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:12:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c1c646$b31e1cb0$9da98218@duck> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1C603.A16F1DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Salon.com article on Victorian corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:12:23 -0800 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1C603.A16F1DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An interesting book review/opinion piece: http://www.salon.com/sex/gallery/2002/03/01/corset/index.html - Kendra ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1C603.A16F1DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An interesting book review/opinion=20 piece:
 
 Date:=20 Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:03:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Sheila <turrel@yahoo.com>
Subject: = Re: [h-cost]=20 Elizabethan Underthings
To: h-costume@indra.com
Reply-To: = h-costume@mail.indra.com
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>=20 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings
> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
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>=20 No idea.  This is mentioned in 'The Embroidery of
> Mary = Queen of=20 Scots', and
> there may be a bibliographical note in the = back
>=20 about where the actual
> inventories are.  I remember this = bit of=20 trivia, but
> no longer own the book.

  Don't suppose = you=20 remember who wrote or published
it?  I can't seem to find it at = amazon=20 or bookfinder.

Sheila
ht= tp://www.salon.com/sex/gallery/2002/03/01/corset/index.html
 
- Kendra
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1C603.A16F1DE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 22:17:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17293 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F29Da03342; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F29DO23466; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2C4YpW21703 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:34:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr064.gti.net [208.216.122.4]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 1D86614597C; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:34:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8D8588.FFAFB5B0@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Question-Silk 'Shantung Chiffon'? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:35:20 -0500 Status: RO Has anyone ever heard of silk shantung chiffon? There is a blouse made from this at the Max Studio web site. I've never heard of such a fabric. Think it's a mis-print? Lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 22:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17294 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:17:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F29Aa03328; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F299O23442; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from i2istudios.com (s64-180-103-42.bc.hsia.telus.net [64.180.103.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2AIuri06172 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:56:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from home [24.77.124.7] by i2istudios.com [64.180.103.42] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.2.R) for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:52:58 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c1c865$437e7e60$077c4d18@vc.shawcable.net> From: "Lenka" To: "h-costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MDRemoteIP: 24.77.124.7 X-Return-Path: lenka@silverpinstudio.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] precious metal lace Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:56:18 -0800 Status: RO I have been invited by the Lace Museum in Sunnyvale, California, to give a talk on my field of expertise (Friday, March 15). The topic of the slideshow/lecture is "Metal Lace in Fashion: Past, present, future?" I will discuss progress of precious metal lace throughout centuries of fashion. For more information, please visit the Lace Museum's website at http://www.thelacemuseum.org/Lenka.html Lenka --- Lenka Suchanek Vancouver Canada Silver Pin Studio: Art of Handmade Lace Fine Wire Lace: Patterns & Supplies http://www.silverpinstudio.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 22:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17300 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:17:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F29La03360; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F29GO23496; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpdvg100.netaddress.usa.net (cpdvg100.netaddress.usa.net [165.212.8.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2CJvcW26299 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:57:39 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 21586 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 19:58:01 -0000 Received: from uadvg133.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.133) by corprelay.cms.usa.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 19:58:01 -0000 Received: USA.NET MXFirewall, messaging filters applied; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:57:32 GMT Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.13] by uadvg133.cms.usa.net via mtad (CM.1201.1.04A) with ESMTP id 564gcLT6Z0018M33; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:57:25 GMT Message-ID: <20020312195728.20250.qmail@uadvg137.cms.usa.net> Received: from 206.163.135.19 [206.163.135.19] by uwdvg013.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer CM.1201.1.04B); Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:57:28 -0000 From: Shea Young To: <18cWoman@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (CM.1201.1.04B) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2CJvcW26299 Subject: [h-cost] Book about Homespun Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:57:28 -0800 Status: RO Dear Members, I work for a company that provides technical services for university libraries world wide and I'm briefly delurking to share information about a great book that came through today. So for those of you that haven't seen it: "The Age of Homespun: Objects and Stories in the Creation of an American Myth" by Laurel Thatcher Ulrich. ISBN 0-679-44594-3 It is described as "Using objects that Americans have saved through the centuries and stories they have passed along, as well as histories teased from documents, Laurel Thatcher Ulrich chronicles the production of cloth - and of history - in early America". I haven't read it, but a quick look through the 11 chapters is promising. I would have preferred that the photos be in color, but that's a small gripe compared to what appears to be some interesting research. Ms. Ulrich won the Pulitzer Prize for History in 1991 for her wonderful telling of "A Midwife's Tale: The Life of Martha Ballard Based on Her Diary, 1785-1812". The PBS movie was quite well done also, mixing the story of historians trying to decipher the spellings and meanings of the period and presenting a dramatization of the events within. Have fun! Shea Young in Portland, Oregon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 22:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17315 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:20:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F2C1a03500; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:12:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F2C0O24310; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:12:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2DNdiD05966 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:39:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from c1132969a (pcp01222809pcs.roylok01.mi.comcast.net [68.61.33.252]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GSX00801LHVXQ@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:39:31 -0500 (EST) From: krinne198459@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <000b01c1cad7$755b9480$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Ebay auction: Book on Bust adjustment method Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:38:45 -0500 Status: RO Hey all - Saw this when I was surfing, and I know there has been discussion on adjusting patterns for multiple cup sizes before: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1712262871 -kel Kelly A Rinne http://www.costumedesign.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 23:57:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17744 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:57:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F3n2a08535; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F3n0O25804; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:49:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F3mSO25380 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:48:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m249.in-tch.com [216.166.191.249]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2F3aPH28000 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:36:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C91702C.6B36233B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric source References: <003501c1cb9e$b017b6e0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:53:16 -0700 Status: RO No, I wish I did though....*huge sigh*.... I'd just fallen in love with gstreet fabrics when they shut down their website. Did manage to score some very nice brick-colored wool and some camel-colored stuff, and was all ready to buy more.....*sniff, sniff* --Sue > Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > Does anyone have a good online source for wool? I have silk and linen > and cotton merchants in my bookmarks, but no one seems to have a very > good selection of wools. > > > ********************** > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of > Bristol, > BRF FOF > > So many books, so little time > > lotsofteapots@charter.net > ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Mar 14 23:59:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17750 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:59:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F3p1a08642; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F3p0O26305; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F3oBO26138 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:50:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m249.in-tch.com [216.166.191.249]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2F3cBH28522 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:38:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C917096.4E089E62@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? References: <4.3.1.2.20020314094452.04f631b0@mail.frys.com> <3C91149E.BF702E67@acs.ryerson.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:55:02 -0700 Status: RO Huh???? --sue Kathy Cleaver wrote: > > Taline > I give all makeup tests in Apr during exam week and they are short > answer tests (not multiple choice). I will have to see your Doctor's > certificate and you will have to arrange a test time with me closer to > early April > Kathy > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 00:10:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17803 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F42Aa09323; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:02:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F428O00266; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:02:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F3uNO27929 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:56:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m249.in-tch.com [216.166.191.249]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2F3iMH00376 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:44:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C917208.45C0741@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women References: <6159DACBB5C25F745BD469CCBBD33D36@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <009701c1cb85$9a346b20$2dd9fea9@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:01:12 -0700 Status: RO Dunno about that one...the only two things I have *ever* seen adequately support my bust (I'm some sort of 56G, mumble, mumble) are my Elizabethan corset (with rather more than four bones), and one of Robin's gothic fitted gowns. If I'm wearing another style (ItalianRen, for instance, or one of the earlier styles involving some sort of tee-tunic, or the lower-class wench stuff I wore for years before I turned it into loaner garb for our SCA group) I pretty much *have* to cheat and wear a bra. I'm looking forward to trying some of the corded bodies and stays that have been showing up recently..... --Sue Brenna wrote: > > > As for extensive boning (or the lack thereof), my experience has shown that > even the most ample bust can be supported well (in the Elizabethan style) by > just four bones - two on each side. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 01:06:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17996 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:06:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F4wFa12639; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:58:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F4wBO16900; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2F4ngO14390 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:49:42 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 14779 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 04:48:50 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082182.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.182) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 04:48:50 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020314224905.009ebbe0@sound.net> X-Sender: sherylnd@sound.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Half round pearls? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:56:15 -0600 Status: RO Kimberly, Ornamental Resources (http://www.ornabead.com) has 8mm white pearl cabachons in their glass stones section - $17.00 per gram. (no idea how many are in a gram, though.) Sheryl Nance-Durst At 09:56 PM 3/13/02 -0500, you wrote: > Also, does anyone know of a source for non-oval 8-10 mm half round >pearls (preferably glass) I can order from? I'm having a terrible >time finding anything other than fresh water rice pearls and faux >plastic spherical beads. > >Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 02:51:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13925 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:51:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F6hAa17228; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:43:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F6h7O14989; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:43:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F6XpO12909 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:33:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.8c.15618340 (4012) for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:33:41 -0500 (EST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.15618340.29c2efc5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Question-Silk 'Shantung Chiffon'? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8c.15618340.29c2efc5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:33:41 EST Status: RO --part1_8c.15618340.29c2efc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/2002 6:09:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, martyr@gti.net writes: > Has anyone ever heard of silk shantung chiffon? > There is a blouse made from this at the Max Studio web site. > I've never heard of such a fabric. > Think it's a mis-print? > Lisa It sounds impossible to me, but perhaps it's some sort of nubby weave into a chiffon?? If you find out, I'd love to know the procedure or see a scan of a sample. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "As in a theater, the eyes of men, after a well-graced actor leaves the stage, are idly bent on him that enters next, thinking his prattle to be tedious." Richard II; V, ii - W. Shakespeare --part1_8c.15618340.29c2efc5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/14/2002 6:09:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, martyr@gti.net writes:


Has anyone ever heard of silk shantung chiffon?
There is a blouse made from this at the Max Studio web site.
I've never heard of such a fabric.
Think it's a mis-print?
Lisa


It sounds impossible to me, but perhaps it's some sort of nubby weave into a chiffon?? If you find out, I'd love to know the procedure or see a scan of a sample.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
Theatrical Costume Design

"As in a theater, the eyes of men,
after a well-graced actor leaves the stage,
are idly bent on him that enters next,
thinking his prattle to be tedious."
Richard II;  V, ii - W. Shakespeare
 --part1_8c.15618340.29c2efc5_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 03:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14041 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:48:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F7dQa19007; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F7dOO28700; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F7SLO26069 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:28:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A29613301BA; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:28:22 -0600 Message-ID: <003301c1cbf2$ad069b20$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000501c1cad6$3768ed40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <000901c1caf9$67e4cd40$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:26:08 -0500 Status: RO Yesterday I went to Joanne's... it is no longer there!!! I went to Fabric Warehouse (a great warehouse for Hancock Fabrics). It is no longer there!!!!!! Now this sounds a little suspicious. I took Linda to her car on the same street that both of these fabric stores were. She had to pass both of the shops to go home. Did she stop and buy all the fabric at these shops, then they had to close up their businesses?????????? Is Linda hiding all the fabric that Richmond had????? Time to take a trip to VA Beach to see what IS in her sewing room. No one invite Linda to your town until I figure this one out. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 03:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14045 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:48:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F7daa19024; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:39:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F7dZO28756; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:39:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F7VdO26838 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:31:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from creecom.threnody.org ([144.135.25.75]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GT07KJ00.IUS for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:31:31 +1000 Received: from WNPP-p-203-54-40-190.prem.tmns.net.au ([203.54.40.190]) by PSMAM03.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 83/2605470); 15 Mar 2002 17:31:31 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020315164725.009fcbc0@mail.bigpond.com> X-Sender: threnody@mail.bigpond.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Threnody Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:32:18 +1100 Status: RO At 02:07 2002-03-14 -0800, Lavolta Press wrote: >Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead >of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to >me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for >copying patterns from clothes? I'm in Australia, and I have a stack of pattern drafting paper with 1cm grid on it (bold lines every 5cm), made by Burda, which most sewing shops sell. I've never seen gridded interfacing, however. - Sonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 04:04:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14129 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:04:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F7u0a19358; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:56:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F7tnO01649; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:55:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F7ldO00687 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:47:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-82.gti.net [208.216.115.82]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id CAFEA145AB3 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:47:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C91A73B.65B5FEF@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Question-Silk 'Shantung Chiffon'? References: <8c.15618340.29c2efc5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:48:11 -0500 Status: RO No, I think it's a just misprint. No one has heard of it. Of course I would let everyone in on it if I were to find it. I wrote to the company but no response yet. Lisa >It sounds impossible to me, but perhaps it's some sort of nubby weave into >a chiffon?? If you find out, I'd love to know the procedure or see a scan of a >sample. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 04:47:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14247 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:47:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F8cma20649; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:38:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F8chO11472; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:38:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21405.mail.yahoo.com (web21405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.75]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2F8UIO09659 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:30:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020315083017.42394.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:30:17 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:30:17 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Answers for England: > What do they call a yardstick in England, Canada, and Australia? A > meter stick? We still have yard sticks but in addition there is also a meter rule. >Do they sell anything corresponding to a 12-inch "foot" ruler, and > what is it called? Do they sell 6-inch rulers and if so what do they > call them? You can still buy 6" and 12" rulers in any stationary shop in the UK. They now come with centimeters on the other side so you get 6"/15cm and 12"/30cm rulers. It is worth noting that this might change soon as the EU wants all member countries to move to an entirely metric system (clothing measurements included). > Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead > of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to > me)? I have seen 1/2in grid for pattern drafting but they are becoming rarer and they are moving more towards the metric grids. > How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for > copying patterns from clothes? Never seen this! > Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, > or only a few? Depends what you mean by the English system. Over here patterns are still printed with both metric and imperial measurements. Although most sewers I know, myself included, use imperial despite being taught metric at school! Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 04:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14273 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:55:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F8kja20932; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:46:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F8kiO13246; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:46:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F8ZSO10759 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:35:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.106]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020315083527.NROA1822.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:35:27 +0100 Message-ID: <3C91B1ED.617C44C6@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers References: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> <002b01c1cbbc$cccd95c0$7ed9adcb@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:33:49 +0100 Status: RO Hi In Denmark they use a meterstick. It is only 50 cm. long 1/2 a meter long. But they also use a centimeter band 1 meter long sitting on the table where they cut the fabrics. I use a centimeter band or tape? I dont have any problems with the differences in meassures. I use an Ennascope ( picture devise) that blows up the pictures on the wall. I use this when i want to copy patterns from books. I can use my centimeter tape here to get the size i want. The only advantage we have with the meter system is that we gets more fabric than you do, because you only use yards ha ha........... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 05:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14297 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:02:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2F8ria21129; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F8rhO14857; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:53:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F8iNO12786 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:44:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.106]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020315084422.NUAN1822.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:44:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3C91B404.48DF60C8@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping References: <000501c1cad6$3768ed40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <000901c1caf9$67e4cd40$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> <003301c1cbf2$ad069b20$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:42:45 +0100 Status: RO Hello. Yes i read your story about shopping. I am glad that it wasnt me that visited Penny. Mostly because i have spend a fortune lately buying silk embroidery threads. I think that Hedgehog handworks have sold out all their silk chenille threads because of me and i have ordered a lot of silk floss two. Then i visited Silk Anettes shop at Farum in Denmark, and i emptyed all her hand dyed silkthreads two..... I am in a totally freak embroidery koholic mood these days. i have a project in my head i want to do when i have finished my suit. And in an hour or so, you will find me again at the library at the Museum of Decorative Arts, drawing old embroidery motifs.................What is this going to end with? Bjarne Penny Ladnier wrote: > Yesterday I went to Joanne's... it is no longer there!!! I went to Fabric > Warehouse (a great warehouse for Hancock Fabrics). It is no longer > there!!!!!! Now this sounds a little suspicious. I took Linda to her car > on the same street that both of these fabric stores were. She had to pass > both of the shops to go home. Did she stop and buy all the fabric at these > shops, then they had to close up their businesses?????????? Is Linda hiding > all the fabric that Richmond had????? > > Time to take a trip to VA Beach to see what IS in her sewing room. No one > invite Linda to your town until I figure this one out. > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 06:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14458 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:08:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FA02a23223; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:00:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FA00O29433; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:00:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F9ncO27167 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 02:49:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14183.; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:57:49 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:49:36 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:49:14 +0000 Status: RO >>> fran@lavoltapress.com 03/14/02 10:07pm >>> >What do they call a yardstick in England, Canada, and Australia? A >meter stick? I've mostly heard the term "yardstick" used in a metaphorical sense, rather than to describe an actual ruler. >Do they sell anything corresponding to a 12-inch "foot" ruler, and >what is it called? Do they sell 6-inch rulers and if so what do they >call them? 12 and 6-inch rulers with cms. on the other edge are still in common use; I don't know what the rulers currently in the shops are like. >In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both >English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool). Is >that true in countries that only use the metric system? >Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, >or only a few? The UK is less completely metricated than many Americans seem to think. We've used the metric system for 30-odd years, but it's only in the past few that shops have actually been prohibited from using imperial weights and measures - until then, fabric was often still sold by the yard. Most of those under 50 will have been taught to measure in metric at school, but many still think in imperial - "He's six feet tall" "I want to lose five pounds" (people's weight is expressed in stones = 14 lb.) And, for the time being at least, we still measure distance in miles and beer (in pubs) in pints! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 06:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14587 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:50:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FAf1a24272; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FAf0O22070; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:41:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FASxO19737 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:28:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFDX8MBTY800G8DF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:31:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFDX8LSNL600VC5P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:31:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:24:23 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:24:21 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:24:14 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peasantry question? In-reply-to: <200203141902.g2EJ2PV03950@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <37408AE67C3@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:24:13 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > This is something I have always had issues with. And I was curious as > to what others opinions were. > > Does everyone think that female peasants during the late Renaissance > era in England wore tight bodices? I know that frequently it is > simply people trying to do the "movie land" bar maid look,and standard > RenFair, but in reality how many woman in the real working class level > would have worn bodices that were stiff and tight? > > In all the reproductions of woodcuts, and paintings of artists > works, that I have seen, whenever I see working people in the > pictures, they are usually in fairly loose clothing, lots of curves > in the bustline area. Granted, mostly these are European artists > and paintings for the most part, but I just feel strongly that it > would carry over to England also. For examples of what I am talking > about check out the art of the following Aertsen, Beuckelaer, > Bruegel. I am sure there are many more, I just don't have time to > find them. > > Anyone have an opinion? I have an opinion, but that's all it is really - not backed up by any form of research.... They may have, and probably did (what class of people is *whithout* the subset that will try their best to emulate their "social superiors" to whatever extent their recources enable them?) wear *tight* bodices, but I suspect for the most part it wasn't *stiff*. If you were to make two bodices form the same person, from the same cloth and cut to the same pattern but heavily stiffened and boned one and only interlined one with a sturdy cloth, the amount of curves and "natural" body shape allowed by them would be drastically different.... for that matter an unboned/unstiuffened bodice worn over a high-fashion corset will give a different shape from the same bodice worn without the corset underneath. OK enough waffle from me. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 06:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14614 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:57:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FAnUa24538; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:49:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FAnTO23781; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:49:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FAbGO21302 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFDXINQMZ400X0DK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:39:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFDXIFOC2400VC5P@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:39:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:32:20 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:32:16 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:32:08 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for Margo In-reply-to: <200203141902.g2EJ2PV03950@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3742A7B28AA@mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >Did you ever finish the outfit you were making to review the > >Simplicity "Shakespeare in Love" pattern? I know you put it aside > >when you started work on your pattern business, but did you ever get > >back to it? > > > No, I never did. First I was too busy, and now...well, I'm still too > busy, but it also seems counterproductive to spend a lot of my time > creating a webpage to help people use that pattern when, in my humble > opinion, there's now a better option. My patterns include all the > construction details I thought were so nifty about the SIL pattern, > but they also have properly cut bodices and a lot of other options as > well. Well, if you ever get around to making the gown you were planning but using *your* patterns you'll have to let us know.. the fabric and colour cominations sounded lovely... fawn and green with gold trim, I believe? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 08:16:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14862 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:16:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FC7Ua26622; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:07:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FC7IO09026; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:07:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from marvin.nildram.co.uk (marvin.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FBvlO07037 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 04:57:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203151157.g2FBvlO07037@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 29259 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 11:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by marvin.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 11:57:46 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:44 GMT Status: RO Rachel wrote : > Answers for England: > It is worth noting that this might change soon as the EU wants all member > countries to move to an > entirely metric system (clothing measurements included). We will then tell the EU what they can do with their entirely metric system. Insisting on having measurements in cm *as well* I can understand, but making measurements in inches illegal is completely silly. > Although most sewers I know, myself included, > use imperial > despite being taught metric at school! Me too. Well, I was taught both at school, but the imperial system has more useful size units for most things. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 08:59:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15233 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:59:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FCnKa27767; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:49:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FCnJO18512; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from c016.snv.cp.net (c016-h016.c016.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FCfqO16734 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 05:41:52 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 29713 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 04:41:45 -0800 Message-ID: <20020315124145.29712.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Mar 2002 12:41:45 GMT Received: from [212.54.20.129] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 15 Mar 2002 04:41:45 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: riina vuokko X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 X-Sent-From: riina@altavista.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 15 Mar 2002 04:41:45 -0800 Status: RO On Thu, 14 March 2002, webmaster@marquise.de wrote: i haven't seen any tools with inches on them in germany. i needed one for use with inch patterns, so i brought a double-sided ruler home from hong > kong. I had a hard time looking for one in Finland. I finally found one -- yes, made in China. Rulers here seem to be either 20 or 30 cm, and a "yardstick" is always 50 cm, so you need to measure twice for every metre of fabric. And the grid is 1 cm, with thicker lines in every 5 cm i think. I'm used to the imperial system too, but I think only because i've been living in Korea, where they use it for measuring fabric, although they use metric system for basically everything else. In the beginning I always bought too little fabric, especially as they are not as wide as here (here 150 cm is the standard for all but very special 6 expensive fabrics). Riina in Finland Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 09:39:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15380 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:39:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FDVLa29174; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FDVJO28839; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:31:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21407.mail.yahoo.com (web21407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FDKVO26046 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:20:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020315132030.55529.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:20:30 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200203151157.g2FBvlO07037@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:20:30 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > We will then tell the EU what they can do with their entirely metric system. Insisting on having > measurements in cm *as well* I can understand, but making measurements in inches illegal is > completely silly. > > Well it didn't stop them with the weights and measures! I still cook in pounds and ounces no matter what brussels tells me otherwise. Come to that I still ask for half a pound of meat at the deli counter! Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 10:10:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15704 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:09:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FE1Ja00626; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:01:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FE1IO06571; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:01:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FDsVO04663 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:54:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.111] (pm4-111.eos.net [205.133.149.111]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26379 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:49:57 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203151007.g2FA72O00943@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: metric vs. Imperial Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:47:40 -0500 Status: RO When I went to elementary school, in the 1970s, we had to learn the metric system because "everything is going to change over in a few years." Same thing in middle school. Same thing in high school. This year will be my twentieth high school reunion, and the metric system here (US) is still pretty much used only for technical things. Everyday stuff is the old way. I wonder why that is? Gail Finke Who is 5ft. 2in. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 10:39:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15778 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:39:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FEVLa01989; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:31:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FEVJO15487; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:31:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FELWO12733 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:21:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m152.in-tch.com [216.166.191.152]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2FE9UH05128 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:09:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C92048E.E84A1EF9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: metric vs. Imperial References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:26:22 -0700 Status: RO I remember that, too I think, maybe, the Powers That Be gave up....there may have been just too much resistance to it. And converting some stuff here in the U.S. would have been a fiendish pain in the @ss. Acres and quarter-sections and sections make a lot of sense based on feet and miles, but metric??? yee-gods. --Sue, who has a job dealing with both Canadian and American clients, so it gets interesting with the mileage measurements sometimes Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > When I went to elementary school, in the 1970s, we had to learn the metric > system because "everything is going to change over in a few years." Same > thing in middle school. Same thing in high school. This year will be my > twentieth high school reunion, and the metric system here (US) is still > pretty much used only for technical things. Everyday stuff is the old way. I > wonder why that is? > > Gail Finke > Who is 5ft. 2in. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 10:40:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15787 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FEVqa02036; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:31:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FEVpO15706; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:31:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FEM9O12874 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:22:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07436 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:40:40 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping In-Reply-To: <3C91B404.48DF60C8@post12.tele.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:40:40 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Leif Drews wrote: > I am in a totally freak embroidery koholic mood these days. i have a project in > my head i want to do when i have finished my suit. And in an hour or so, you > will find me again at the library at the Museum of Decorative Arts, drawing old > embroidery motifs.................What is this going to end with? It will end with more beautiful work for us to sigh over ... and more ideas from you for more beautiful work to keep you busy! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 10:49:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15812 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:49:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FEeYa02678; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:40:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FEeXO18657; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:40:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from sys27.hou.wt.net (sys27.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.27]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FERgO14524 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from kverscho (216-119-175-254.ipset57.wt.net [216.119.175.254]) by sys27.hou.wt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA67040 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:27:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003f01c1cc2e$24569320$feaf77d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Gridded pattern material (was dumb math) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:31:46 -0600 Status: RO > "gridded interfacing type stuff" ? Where can I get some of this? > > Mary/Katerine In the states its on the same shelf as the interfacing. I bought mine at Joann's...a whole bolt when they had one of their 50% off interfacing sale. It is very handy when re-styling patterns. I use it to tape on a basic bodice pattern that you know fits to the grided material and re-draw based on a miniature gridded drawing such as you find in Janet Arnold's books. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 11:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16040 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:37:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FFSEa06108; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:28:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FFS9O07253; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:28:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from c016.snv.cp.net (c016-h016.c016.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FFKLO03830 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:20:21 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 5758 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 07:20:14 -0800 Message-ID: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 15 Mar 2002 15:20:14 GMT Received: from [212.54.20.129] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 15 Mar 2002 07:20:14 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: riina vuokko X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 X-Sent-From: riina@altavista.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 15 Mar 2002 07:20:14 -0800 Status: RO On Fri, 15 March 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > > Me too. Well, I was taught both at school, but the imperial system has more useful size units for most things. What do you mean by more useful? I managed the first twenty-something years without the imperial units and they didn't make my life any easier when I had to start using them... It's what you're used to using in everyday life, not what you've been taught to use at school. This is not to say that I think the new EU regulations are anything but silly, just wondering how imperial system could be more useful. For me, the thing I like in the metric system is that it's always very easy to calculate how much something changes when you change something else. The imperial system isn't very logical, if you're not used to it. Riina > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 12:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16268 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:17:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FG8Na10035; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:08:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FG8CO27098; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FFxUO22519 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:59:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCj5r3/EMVWrYkoHDeZuJfahR6+wTJVIrCQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GVX2FQUU; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:58:32 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity patterns--Butterrick too Message-ID: <20020315.095844.-176413.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,14-17 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:58:44 -0600 Status: RO Hello All, I went out yesterday and bought the new Butterick Victorian patterns. I was wondering about the style of some of the elements given in both the shirtwaist and skirt patterns. Later last night I was looking thru one of my Victorian fashion books (Victorian and Edwardian Fashions from "La Mode Illustree" Dover) and what should I spy on page #137 (1897) but a selection of sleeves and skirts which contains two of the sleeves designs, the lace collar, and one of the skirts! On the previous page (#136) there is a small illustration of another of the skirts! I thought that the pattern looked pretty good, but this is a much higher level of authenticity than I was expecting. Now I don't know if the blouse body pattern they have these items attached to are equally authentic, it looks like a standard modern blouse body to me, but maybe others on the list with more detailed knowledge of the period can address that issue. Karen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 13:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16559 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:25:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FHFha17381; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:15:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHFbO05590; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:15:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from c0mailgw08.prontomail.com (mailgw.prontomail.com [209.185.149.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FH4vO29240 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:04:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from c2web22 (209.185.149.10) id 3C91428D0006DA4A for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:57:52 -0800 X-Version: Informail 6.2.2073.0 From: "Kimberly Tribe" Message-Id: <579EB2CC4340F6F4BAAA1021E92711C3@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] re:Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:09:25 -0500 Status: RO I grew up in the US, and moved to Canada only a few years ago, so the differences are quite fresh in my mind from the US perspective... Yes, in Canada they have yardsticks and metersticks (usually a meterstick has the standard yard measurements as well). They do sell 12" and 6" rulers and most people here still don't refer to things in terms of meters (for fabric and construction anyway). If you asked the average person how tall thier ceilings were, they would give it to you in feet, and how wide thier property is in yards, not in metric. I would say that most here still don't really know the metric system as well as the empirial system -- if you asked someone how large a centimeter is here they often would show you with thier fingers something a little larger than a 1/2" *lol* While the signposts all relate distance and speed limits in terms of kilometers, people would still say "She lives about 5 miles from here..." I have only heard someone use Km to measure distance a hand full of times in 2 years. Obviously 30 or so years hasn't been enough to convertCanadians completely to the metric system (probably because we are so closely connected to the US -- geographically and economically) Some places that sell fabric here price it by the meter, though have the per/yard price there as well. Then again, some places still ONLY sell by the yard. As for drafting paper (for any purpose), I can only find it graded by the inch and increments of inches. (Which makes it a REAL pain to convert UK pattern drafting books onto it! *lol*). Antiquarum Historical Reproductions -- Clothing, Jewellery, Home Decor ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 13:45:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16607 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:45:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FHaHa19696; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:36:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHaDO17496; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:36:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHIHO07096 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:18:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16lvLM-0000MT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:18:16 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: metric vs. Imperial Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3C92048E.E84A1EF9@in-tch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:21:37 -0500 Status: RO And in medicine - why is it that everything is metric, including baby's birth weights, except height and weight in adults and older children? I've been using metric at work for almost 20 years except for height and weight ( I usually work with adults), but use imperial at home and for sewing? I guess we are somewhat intermixed here in the US. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 9:26 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: metric vs. Imperial I remember that, too I think, maybe, the Powers That Be gave up....there may have been just too much resistance to it. And converting some stuff here in the U.S. would have been a fiendish pain in the @ss. Acres and quarter-sections and sections make a lot of sense based on feet and miles, but metric??? yee-gods. --Sue, who has a job dealing with both Canadian and American clients, so it gets interesting with the mileage measurements sometimes Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > When I went to elementary school, in the 1970s, we had to learn the metric > system because "everything is going to change over in a few years." Same > thing in middle school. Same thing in high school. This year will be my > twentieth high school reunion, and the metric system here (US) is still > pretty much used only for technical things. Everyday stuff is the old way. I > wonder why that is? > > Gail Finke > Who is 5ft. 2in. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:07:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16753 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:07:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FHwva22204; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:58:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHrfO27996; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHY1O16191 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lvaZ-0003pP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:34:00 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit (was Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures Organization: PII Message-ID: <000801c1cc46$a00147a0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:27:03 -0700 Status: RO Thank you for pointing this out! I just ordered my copy of the catalogue. It is going to Wesley (to excited to check the sp) college in Massachusetts from Michigan. **>one of the Bronzino portraits of Eleanor of Toledo. ** **For those in the South-eastern Michigan area, there is **currently an exhibit **at the University of Michigan Art Museum on "Women who Ruled: Queens, **Goddesses, Amazons, 1500-1650." It will be in Ann Arbor **until early May, **and then it will travel. ** **http://www.umich.edu/~umma/women/ ** **There's the aforementioned Eleanora of Toledo portrait there, **an Elizabeth I **by George Gower, a Venus by Guido Reni, and a Judith by **Carravaggio, among **lots of others. Lots of etchings, especially. ** **The exhibit features women who were politically powerful **(Elizabeth, a **couple of the d'Medicis, Eleanora of Toledo, etc), as well as **other women **who were powerful and made an impact-- Joan of Arc, Judith, **Amazons, Helen **of Troy, Eve, etc -- and the way they portrayed in the **15th-16th centuries. ** **I had a great time yesterday afternoon, having gone in as soon as the **exhibit opened and then had to be kicked out when the museum closed. ** **Parsla ** ** **_________________________________________________________________ **Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16848 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:25:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIHPa24714; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:17:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIHGO09915; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:17:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHmdO25148 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020315174832.REDL7206.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:48:32 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Message-ID: <3C9233E8.26449.B1263@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:48:24 -0000 Status: RO On 15 Mar 2002 at 7:20, riina vuokko wrote: > On Fri, 15 March 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > > Me too. Well, I was taught both at school, but the imperial system has more useful size units for most things. > > What do you mean by more useful? Not so much with length, but with weights. The ounce is a useful quantity when cooking: the gram is not. I might use a pound of one ingredient: I'm unlikely to use a kilo in home cooking. Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and there's no metric thing of about that size. Oh, and the decimal system has one real problem: dividing by three. A third of a yard is a foot: a third of a foot is four inches. A third of a metre is 33.3-recurring centimetres? No, give me base-12 any time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16885 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:30:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIMNa25443; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIM3O12915; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:22:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.aros.net (mail.aros.net [207.173.16.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2F81pO03329 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:01:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from jitters (dm3-116.slc.aros.net [66.219.220.116]) by mail.aros.net (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g2F81m990411 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:01:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> From: "C.A.Critchell" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0233_01C1CBBD.D5D443C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "C.A.Critchell" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:07:53 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0233_01C1CBBD.D5D443C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I was given referance to this list by Drea Leed and it has taken me some = time to be able to make use of it.=20 In the west there is a SCA based competition called the "Golden Swan" = for compleatness of Persona. I would like to enter, but knowing that the = standards are as high as those of the "Tudor Guild" and as demanding as = an Oxford Final examination, I wish to be as ready as possible. On Drea's incredible site "the Elizabethan Costume Homepage" she goes in = to wonderful detail about the Effigy corset. In that article she = mentions drawers or underwear but beyond the citations mentioned for the = corset she didn't have any for the drawers. I am looking for more = information on Elizabethan Underwear, working on the Garb section of the = Golden Swan from the inside out. If there is anyone who can direct me towards any referant, I would = appriecate it. Respectfully, C.A.Critchell (If there are any errors of text or irritating passages, I hope you will = excuse them. I'm Dyslexic and don't always put things across correctly.) ------=_NextPart_000_0233_01C1CBBD.D5D443C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I was given referance to this list = by Drea Leed=20 and it has taken me some time to be able to make use of it. =
 
In the west there is a SCA based = competition=20 called the "Golden Swan" for compleatness of Persona. I would = like to=20 enter, but knowing that the standards are as high as those of the = "Tudor=20 Guild" and as demanding as an Oxford Final examination, I wish to = be as=20 ready as possible.
 
On Drea's incredible site "the = Elizabethan=20 Costume Homepage" she goes in to wonderful detail about the Effigy = corset.=20 In that article she mentions drawers or underwear but beyond the = citations=20 mentioned for the corset she didn't have any for the drawers. I am = looking for=20 more information on Elizabethan Underwear, working on the Garb section = of the=20 Golden Swan from the inside out.
 
If there is anyone who can direct me = towards any=20 referant, I would appriecate it.
 
Respectfully,
C.A.Critchell
(If there are any errors of text or = irritating=20 passages, I hope you will excuse them. I'm Dyslexic and don't always put = things=20 across correctly.)
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0233_01C1CBBD.D5D443C0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:35:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16954 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:35:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIRFa26085; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:27:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIRAO15990; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:27:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FEpJO22476 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:51:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from sdn-ar-005watacop107.dialsprint.net ([206.133.239.67]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lt38-000705-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:51:19 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Anne Howe To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Welsh Lady 1100 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:47:13 -0800 Status: RO Greetings! I am trying to find information on costuming a lady from east Wales from around 1100AD. Heather Rose Jones has been recommended as a resourse but I have no contact information. If anyone could help with either the costume or locating Heather I'd be very appreciative. Gratefully, Anne Howe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:36:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16958 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:35:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIRSa26121; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:27:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIROO16130; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:27:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao03.cox.net (lakemtao03.cox.net [68.1.17.242]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FHvSO00256 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:58:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020315175703.UWUD7722.lakemtao03.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:57:03 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping Message-ID: <000001c1cc49$d74dbec0$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003301c1cbf2$ad069b20$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:50:00 -0500 Status: RO It's a conspiracy, but not by me. One of our Joann's closed recently too, and they did it very quietly and without much notice. I assume they simply sent their stock over to the other stores and never had a sale or anything. We used to have 3 Joann's evenly distributed around the city, now we have 2 at opposite ends of town. What I don't understand is why? Every time I went into that store, I always had to wait in a line, sometimes a short one, sometimes really long. There was never a lack of traffic, and there certainly wasn't any real competition close by. It will certainly be missed in that neighborhood. Linda -----Original Message----- Penny Ladnier Yesterday I went to Joanne's... it is no longer there!!! I went to Fabric Warehouse (a great warehouse for Hancock Fabrics). It is no longer there!!!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16992 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:45:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIaua27446; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:36:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIasO21578; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:36:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIRNO16124 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:27:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from dialup-63.214.85.128.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([63.214.85.128]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lwQC-00064N-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:27:21 -0800 X-Sender: sheilabb@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801c1cc46$a00147a0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: sheilabb@earthlink.net Subject: RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit (was Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:27:35 -0500 Status: RO >Thank you for pointing this out! I just ordered my copy of the >catalogue. It is going to Wesley (to excited to check the sp) college >in Massachusetts from Michigan. you must mean either LESLEY College (not my first guess) or WELLESLEY College -- more likely... Sheila B Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net Editor, Boston Early Music News Deadline March. 28 for April 15 issue for events April 15-May 31, 2002 http://www.earlymusicboston.com /bemn for CALENDAR /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society 29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17007 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIeVa27964; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:40:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIeBO23548; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:40:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIYxO20183 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id KAA14524; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:34:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <3C9233E8.26449.B1263@localhost> References: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:36:29 -0800 Status: RO At 09:48 AM 3/15/2002, Jane Williams wrote: >Not so much with length, but with weights. The ounce is a useful quantity >when cooking: >the gram is not. I might use a pound of one ingredient: I'm unlikely to >use a kilo in home cooking. But, at least in Sweden, it's common to use an intermediate unit: the hectogram: 100 grams, which is a perfectly useful and convenient size. I think the claim of superior usefulness for Imperial measures is just nonsensical, and a matter of what you're used to. >Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and >there's no metric thing of about that size. Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 14:58:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17025 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:58:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIn2a28882; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:49:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIn1O28618; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FImGO28233 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:48:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no ([213.46.219.161]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020315181420.MYVN355.mta02@studorg.hiof.no> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:14:20 +0100 Message-ID: <3C923A63.CD999FD9@studorg.hiof.no> From: "Ingrid G. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [no] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: no MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:Dumb math questions for non-US costumers References: <579EB2CC4340F6F4BAAA1021E92711C3@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:16:03 +0100 Status: RO In Norway, I'd say that hardly anyone uses imperial measurements; most people don't know that an inch is about 2.54 cm, for example, or that there are twelve inches in a foot. We learn that in school and promptly forget it. :) There's also the archaic Norwegian measurement system, but to be honest I don't know it very well, and have no idea how it corresponds to the imperial system - if at all. "Tomme" should equal an inch, and carpenters and such use something called a "tommestokk" - literally, inch stick - which are hinged flat sticks that can fold out to 2 meters long and fold down to about 30 cm. Oddly enough, the inch sticks are often also only marked with centimeters - or maybe they have inches as well. I've misplaced mine so I can't check. I've only occasionally been able to find measuring tape with inches as well as centimeters - most measuring tapes have centimeters on both sides, with all the millimeters marked. Some have no extra markings on ome side and stronger lines every 10 cm on the reverse side. When we buy fabric there's usually a ruler sunk into the desk, but meter sticks and half-meter sticks are also fairly widely used. Gridded drafting paper for patterns I've never seen, but then I haven't looked either. Now I want it though! Norwegians are so used to the metric system that using anything else seems very strange and counterintuitive. Please note, though, that I have no formal sewing education, and that there may be professional practices that I don't know about. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 15:04:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17055 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIu8a29526; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:56:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIu2O02572; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:56:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FItAO02020 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:55:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lwr7-00069w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:55:09 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit (was Re: [h-cost] (Fabric question) weddingpictures Organization: PII Message-ID: <000701c1cc51$f4b367a0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:48:10 -0700 Status: RO Yes, you are correct! (now calmed down enough to see she spelled "too" wrong also!) **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of sheilabb@earthlink.net **Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:28 AM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit (was Re: [h-cost] **(Fabric question) weddingpictures ** ** **>Thank you for pointing this out! I just ordered my copy of the **>catalogue. It is going to Wesley (to excited to check the **sp) college **>in Massachusetts from Michigan. ** ** **you must mean either LESLEY College (not my first guess) or **WELLESLEY College -- more likely... ** **Sheila B ** **Sheila Beardslee Bosworth sheilabb@earthlink.net ** **Editor, Boston Early Music News **Deadline March. 28 for April 15 issue ** for events April 15-May 31, 2002 http://www.earlymusicboston.com ** /bemn for CALENDAR ** /Pavane for Pavane Renaissance Dance Ensemble ** /brs/brs/ for Boston Recorder Society ** **29 Main Street, Acton MA 01720-3505 **VOX 978/263.9926 FAX 978/263.2366 ** ** ** ** **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 15:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17063 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:05:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FIvFa29640; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIv9O03205; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:57:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from web12308.mail.yahoo.com (web12308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FIuOO02786 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:56:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020315185621.27434.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.122.3.62] by web12308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:56:21 PST From: Nelson Beth To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:56:21 -0800 (PST) Status: RO >It is going to Wesley (to excited to check the sp) >college in Massachusetts from Michigan. My Lady, could you tell me where you found the list of where the exhibit is going? I looked through the site to see how close it would get to D.C. and couldn't find the information anywhere. Thanks, Orlaith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 15:09:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17071 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:09:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FJ0Sa00145; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:00:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJ0CO04855; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:00:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FIxmO04627 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:59:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lwva-0004uP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:59:46 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000801c1cc52$9a177e20$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:52:48 -0700 Status: RO Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might be fun to ask. Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in their costumes (finished, planned or also just dreamed about)? You know, like riding down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 15:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17121 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:22:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FJE4a01557; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:14:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJE1O13039; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:14:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJDUO12737 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p153.directcon.net [209.233.107.153]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19454; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:13:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings In-Reply-To: <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:50:20 -0800 Status: RO At 01:07 AM 03/15/2002 -0700, C.A.Critchell wrote: >she goes in to wonderful detail about the Effigy corset. In that article >she mentions drawers or underwear but beyond the citations mentioned for >the corset she didn't have any for the drawers. I heard Jean Hunnisett lecture last year, and during her lecture she showed a slide of the Effigy in its undies. She's of the opinion that the drawers were not period, but were added, probably when the effigy was redressed during the 18th century, to hold padding in place or to provide a surface to pin to. (the Effigy body is made of wood). I tend to agree with her. From the photo they looked like puffy shorts with a drawstring around the top and some sort of gathering at the leg openings, I couldn't see what. The legs were quite short, to the upper thigh. They were plain fabric with no decoration. The most telling part was that they quite obviously did not fit the effigy, being way too short in the crotch, with the drawstring "waist" sitting about where a pair of modern bikinis would, and with the fabric at the crotch area strained and pulling. They would have been quite uncomfortable on a human body, as well as precarious. As far as I can tell, the evidence is still that Elizabethan women did not wear underpants. We can't prove they didn't, but so far, no one's proved they did. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 15:35:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17174 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:35:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FJR4a02614; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:27:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJR0O20122; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f142.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJQoO20041 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:26:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:26:45 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.221 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:26:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.221] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2002 19:26:45.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[58022080:01C1CC57] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:26:45 -0800 Status: RO Someday I want to make a wardrobe and do a riverboat tour-y kind of thing fully in costume the whole trip. I also fell in love with the idea of doing a European Castle tour in full garb. Most of the time I just go to dinner or shopping in misc. pieces of my costumes. Whatever is clean works for me. ;} Jennifer PS. I'm getting my web page back up slowly. If you want to check it out go to http://www.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi It will take a while to get all the glitches out, but I'm back online and ready for sewing. >From: "Saragrace knauf" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:52:48 -0700 > >Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might be fun >to ask. Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in their costumes >(finished, planned or also just dreamed about)? You know, like riding >down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 15:46:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17229 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:46:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FJc5a03602; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:38:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJc1O25879; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix3-hme0.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.83] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FJbvO25831 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:37:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 8293 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 19:37:55 -0000 Received: from s21.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.71) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 19:37:55 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200203151905.g2FJ5VO08404@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_23402629==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #793 - 9 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:40:06 -0500 Status: RO --=====================_23402629==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:05 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might be fun >to ask. Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in their costumes >(finished, planned or also just dreamed about)? You know, like riding >down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? *sheepish grin, raising hand* Heck yes? It's rather funny, actually... the local hack stable lets me use their horses in my photo shoots whenever I want.. they're pretty cool about the whole thing since I no longer have horses of my own *sigh*. There's a black Percheron/Belgian mare there that I periodically drape in caparisons and ride in full kit on, so anybody on a guided trail ride gets a huge start when they see a fully-garbed medieval personage pounding through the woods *grin*. Heck they even let me bring my own weaponry and ride with it. Wonder if they'd consider selling that mare... hmmm..... Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_23402629==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 12:05 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote:
Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might be fun
to ask.  Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in their costumes
(finished, planned or also just dreamed about)?  You know, like riding
down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword?

*sheepish grin, raising hand*  Heck yes?  It's rather funny, actually... the local hack stable lets me use their horses in my photo shoots whenever I want.. they're pretty cool about the whole thing since I no longer have horses of my own *sigh*.  There's a black Percheron/Belgian mare there that I periodically drape in caparisons and ride in full kit on, so anybody on a guided trail ride gets a huge start when they see a fully-garbed medieval personage pounding through the woods *grin*.  Heck they even let me bring my own weaponry and ride with it.  Wonder if they'd consider selling that mare... hmmm.....

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_23402629==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 16:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17284 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:00:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FJqUa04990; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJq6O03534; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:52:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FJpAO03040 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:51:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lxjC-00011w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:51:02 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000b01c1cc59$c038fb40$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020315185621.27434.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit-(Where it is going from Michicgan) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:43:55 -0700 Status: RO I talked to someone in the Museum store when I was ordering the exhibit catalogue. I also asked for the curator's (Ann Dixon) email to confirm the schedule. I will post it as soon as I hear back from her. **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Beth **Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:56 AM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: [h-cost] RE: Women who Ruled art exhibit ** ** **>It is going to Wesley (to excited to check the sp) **>college in Massachusetts from Michigan. ** ** **My Lady, could you tell me where you found the list of **where the exhibit is going? I looked through the site **to see how close it would get to D.C. and couldn't **find the information anywhere. ** **Thanks, ** **Orlaith ** ** **__________________________________________________ **Do You Yahoo!? **Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage **http://sports.yahoo.com/ **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 16:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17450 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:48:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FKdha09650; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:39:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FKbKO28016; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:37:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from web20308.mail.yahoo.com (web20308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.89]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2FKZtO27286 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:36:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020315203545.42141.qmail@web20308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.163.106.50] by web20308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:35:45 PST From: Joan Garner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000801c1cc52$9a177e20$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Well, I sometimes think, since I spend most of my waking hours at the office, that I would like to turn my office into a time-travel portal. I would do as much "Medieval-esque" decorating as I could get away with and wear my comfy gunnas & T-tunics. Just a fantasy, of course -- I'd never be allowed to do it. Iohanna the Harper [Joan Hall] Another fantasy -- I get the same salary I get for admin. assistant work to just stroll around campus in garb and play my harp. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 17:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17527 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:08:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FL05a11656; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FL03O11371; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:00:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FKxmO11245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:59:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id A2FKxMi14303 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2030 12:59:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011a01c1cc64$60157760$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:00:02 -0800 Status: RO > >Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and > >there's no metric thing of about that size. > > Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a > perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. Yes, but much harder to pace off across the floor when getting rough dimensions... :) Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 17:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17562 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:11:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FL36a11923; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:03:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FL33O12912; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:03:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FL25O12432 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:02:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020315210159.LNGC1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:01:59 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020315150118.02af4930@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: <000801c1cc52$9a177e20$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:02:02 -0600 Status: RO Greetings, I've always wanted to learn to ride side-saddle so I can wear a Regency riding habit and go for a gallop in Hyde park... : ) Cheers, Danielle At 11:52 AM 3/15/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might be fun >to ask. Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in their costumes >(finished, planned or also just dreamed about)? You know, like riding >down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 17:19:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17579 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FLB7a12526; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:11:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FLB2O17028; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FLAlO16889 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lyyM-0007dv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:10:46 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. Organization: PII Message-ID: <000c01c1cc64$de82e240$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020315150118.02af4930@mail.attbi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:03:31 -0700 Status: RO **I've always wanted to learn to ride side-saddle so I can wear ...Oh me too. You guys make me ashamed of myself. I want to wear a mask and walk the streets like Queen Margo!!! Blush-yeah right! ;} (Evil grin) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 17:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17620 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:30:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FLM2a14662; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FLM1O23746; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (root@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu [128.200.119.150]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FLLGO23249 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from UAOBRIEN.uci.edu (HIB435A.HNET.UCI.EDU [128.200.119.223]) by benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id NAA27046 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:21:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315131545.01b159f0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> X-Sender: uaobrien@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Ulrika A. O'Brien" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <011a01c1cc64$60157760$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> References: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:23:01 -0800 Status: RO At 01:00 PM 3/15/2002, you wrote: > > >Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and > > >there's no metric thing of about that size. > > > > Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a > > perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. > >Yes, but much harder to pace off across the floor when getting rough >dimensions... :) Depends on the size of your feet! I know men who have foot-long feet, but lots of women might well be no closer to a foot than a decimeter. Ulrika O'Brien English & Comparative Literature University of California, Irvine 435 Humanities Instructional Building (949) 824-6712 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 17:43:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17670 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:43:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FLYTa16000; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:34:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FLYQO00928; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:34:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FLXdO00502 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020315213332.BYCM2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:33:32 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020315153232.02ab5150@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: RE: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: <000c01c1cc64$de82e240$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020315150118.02af4930@mail.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:32:52 -0600 Status: RO At 02:03 PM 3/15/2002 -0700, you wrote: >**I've always wanted to learn to ride side-saddle so I can wear ...Oh me >too. > >You guys make me ashamed of myself. I want to wear a mask and walk the >streets like Queen Margo!!! Blush-yeah right! ;} (Evil grin) LOL! That would be a lot of fun too... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 18:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17908 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:48:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FMdta23203; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMdHO07048; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:39:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMcVO06650 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:38:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-67-136-modem.o1.com [66.81.67.136]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2FMehR01955 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:40:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020315143419.050dd4f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> References: <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:35:04 -0800 Status: RO >As far as I can tell, the evidence is still that Elizabethan women did not >wear underpants. We can't prove they didn't, but so far, no one's proved >they did. Apparently they show up in the inventories of Mary Queen of Scots, so at least some 'Elizabethan' women wore them. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 18:50:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17933 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:50:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FMfUa23319; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:41:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMfPO08115; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:41:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMcWO06659 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:38:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-67-136-modem.o1.com [66.81.67.136]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2FMeiR01958 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:40:45 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020315143657.050cf600@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:38:14 -0800 Status: RO >Whatever is clean works for me. ;} Interesting - nothing I fantasize about doing, in historical costume, gets better than an 'R' rating. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 18:51:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17937 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FMgGa23419; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:42:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMgFO08562; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:42:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMfgO08281 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:41:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.57] (as3-4-34.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.20]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2FMfXW07582; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Welsh Lady 1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:21:31 -0800 Status: RO At 6:47 AM -0800 3/15/02, Anne Howe wrote: >Greetings! > I am trying to find information on costuming a lady from east Wales from >around 1100AD. Heather Rose Jones has been recommended as a resourse but I >have no contact information. If anyone could help with either the costume >or locating Heather I'd be very appreciative. You rang? I don't know how much immediately practical use I'm going to be, though. My short answer is: "Read my booklet 'Medieval Welsh Clothing to 1300' ... if you can track down a copy." It's a compilation and analysis of all the information I could find at the time on the topic. Unfortunately there are only a very few people who sell it for me, and I've sworn off doing my own retailing until the dissertation is finished. The long answer is contained in the booklet itself. The medium-length answer boils down to something like "they seem to have been wearing clothing not vastly different from what other people in the northwestern corner of Europe were wearing, with a slight predilection for rectangular rather than rounded cloaks, and quite probably showing an overall lower average standard of living than some of their neighbors. The main problem is that there isn't a lot of available data -- little to nothing in the way of archaeological material, extremely little surviving visual art reflecting native styles, written descriptions that are either directly fictional (the romances) or lump together a hodge-podge of periods (legal texts) or are the observations of outsiders with a political agenda (Giraldus Cambrensis). There's a lot of sifting, filtering, and extrapolating to do, and it still comes down to "not vastly different from their neighbors". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 18:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17941 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:51:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FMg7a23402; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:42:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMg3O08457; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FMfcO08229 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:41:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.57] (as3-4-34.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.20]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2FMfXW07582; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:41:34 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Welsh Lady 1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:21:31 -0800 Status: RO At 6:47 AM -0800 3/15/02, Anne Howe wrote: >Greetings! > I am trying to find information on costuming a lady from east Wales from >around 1100AD. Heather Rose Jones has been recommended as a resourse but I >have no contact information. If anyone could help with either the costume >or locating Heather I'd be very appreciative. You rang? I don't know how much immediately practical use I'm going to be, though. My short answer is: "Read my booklet 'Medieval Welsh Clothing to 1300' ... if you can track down a copy." It's a compilation and analysis of all the information I could find at the time on the topic. Unfortunately there are only a very few people who sell it for me, and I've sworn off doing my own retailing until the dissertation is finished. The long answer is contained in the booklet itself. The medium-length answer boils down to something like "they seem to have been wearing clothing not vastly different from what other people in the northwestern corner of Europe were wearing, with a slight predilection for rectangular rather than rounded cloaks, and quite probably showing an overall lower average standard of living than some of their neighbors. The main problem is that there isn't a lot of available data -- little to nothing in the way of archaeological material, extremely little surviving visual art reflecting native styles, written descriptions that are either directly fictional (the romances) or lump together a hodge-podge of periods (legal texts) or are the observations of outsiders with a political agenda (Giraldus Cambrensis). There's a lot of sifting, filtering, and extrapolating to do, and it still comes down to "not vastly different from their neighbors". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 19:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18081 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:15:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FN78a25920; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FN73O21581; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:07:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FN6lO21447 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:06:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p138.directcon.net [209.233.107.138]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12266; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:06:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020315144253.00823610@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020315143419.050dd4f0@mail.frys.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:42:53 -0800 Status: RO At 02:35 PM 03/15/2002 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >>As far as I can tell, the evidence is still that Elizabethan women did not >>wear underpants. We can't prove they didn't, but so far, no one's proved >>they did. > >Apparently they show up in the inventories of Mary Queen of Scots, so at >least some 'Elizabethan' women wore them. Where can I find these inventories? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 19:17:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18095 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:17:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FN93a26094; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:09:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FN92O22529; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FN8XO22286 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:08:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GT1EY000.340 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:08:24 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-37.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.37]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 101/219847); 16 Mar 2002 09:08:24 Message-ID: <3C938C6E.4066DC3A@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers References: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315131545.01b159f0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:18:22 -0800 Status: RO "Ulrika A. O'Brien" wrote: > At 01:00 PM 3/15/2002, you wrote: > > > >Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and > > > >there's no metric thing of about that size. > > > > > > Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a > > > perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. > > > >Yes, but much harder to pace off across the floor when getting rough > >dimensions... :) > > Depends on the size of your feet! I know men who have foot-long > feet, but lots of women might well be no closer to a foot than > a decimeter. > > True - my feet are 8" long at best, but my handspan is almost exactly 20cm which is very handy (pun intended) :-P Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 19:27:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18157 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FNIla26986; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:18:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FNGaO26247; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FNEsO25456 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:15:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16m0uD-0007I8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:14:37 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000601c1cc76$35d5dd20$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000b01c1cc59$c038fb40$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Subject: [h-cost] Curators Response to:Women who Ruled art exhibit-(Where it is going from Michicgan) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:07:35 -0700 Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: Annette Dixon [mailto:adixon@umich.edu] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:57 PM To: saragrace@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Women Who Ruled-Exhibit in other cities scheduled? Hello, The exhibition will be at the Davis Museum and Cultural Center at Wellesley College, Wellesley, Massachusetts from Sept. 14 to Dec. 8. 2002. That's the only venue besides Ann Arbor,Michigan. You're welcome! All best, Annette Dixon Hi, I just ordered my catalogue and was wondering if you knew the schedule for the exhibit. I understand it is going to Massachusetts later in the year. Is it going anywhere else? (Please, Please, Please, Phoenix AZ!!!) Thank you so much for putting this together!! Saragrace T. Knauf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 19:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18200 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:35:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2FNR9a27864; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:27:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FNR3O01440; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:27:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2FNQDO01015 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16m15P-0006oa-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:26:11 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings Organization: PII Message-ID: <000701c1cc77$d3e8abe0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020315144253.00823610@pop.directcon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Status: RO I wonder if we could get Drea to look in her database of Mary Tudor's inventories. I tried to do it myself, but the selection for underwear isn't there (no chemise, smocks, etc either). Though I would have thought Drea would have published it widely if some tasty morsel like this showed up. I wouldn't be surprised if such inventories existed for MQOS though. I read the biography of Bess of Hardwick recently and she kept meticulous records. Since her hubby was tasked with supporting MQOS (often at his own expense) and always asking ' Liz for more money to do so, I bet they kept close track of it. Whether it is readily available is another question. Lets take a trip to England and look-:} **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Margo Anderson **Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:43 PM **To: h-costume@indra.com; h-costume@indra.com **Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings ** ** **At 02:35 PM 03/15/2002 -0800, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: **> **>>As far as I can tell, the evidence is still that **Elizabethan women did **>>not wear underpants. We can't prove they didn't, but so **far, no one's **>>proved they did. **> **>Apparently they show up in the inventories of Mary Queen of **Scots, so **>at **>least some 'Elizabethan' women wore them. ** **Where can I find these inventories? ** **Margo **"One Tough Costumer" ** ** **See the Historic Costume Patterns website at **margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 20:12:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18337 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:12:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G048a00826; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:04:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G041O17079; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G03WO16863 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-66-137-modem.o1.com [66.81.66.137]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2G05jR03628 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:05:46 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020315160042.00c193c0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020315144253.00823610@pop.directcon.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20020315143419.050dd4f0@mail.frys.com> <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:02:31 -0800 Status: RO > >>As far as I can tell, the evidence is still that Elizabethan women did not > >>wear underpants. We can't prove they didn't, but so far, no one's proved > >>they did. > > > >Apparently they show up in the inventories of Mary Queen of Scots, so at > >least some 'Elizabethan' women wore them. > >Where can I find these inventories? No idea. This is mentioned in 'The Embroidery of Mary Queen of Scots', and there may be a bibliographical note in the back about where the actual inventories are. I remember this bit of trivia, but no longer own the book. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 20:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18376 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:22:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G0E8a01759; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0E3O20983; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:14:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0DJO20717 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:13:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AE15A0190; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:13:09 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c1cc7f$3a0c92e0$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000701c1cc77$d3e8abe0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:11:52 -0500 Status: RO I think Drea is still off-list. So you might want to write her personally. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 20:54:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18478 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:54:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G0kJa04068; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:46:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0kIO02007; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:46:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0jbO01801 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:45:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.100.245]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2G0jZ229479 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings Message-ID: <3C9226AD.32126.946305C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020315143419.050dd4f0@mail.frys.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:51:57 -0800 Status: RO > Apparently they show up in the inventories of Mary Queen of Scots, so > at least some 'Elizabethan' women wore them. But Mary was far more French than English and she was also one of the women considered scandalous (much like the d'Este sisters when they started wearing them in Italy.) So, even if they showed up, it didn't mean that *Elizabethan" (ie English) women wore them. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 20:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18484 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:55:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G0k6a04044; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:46:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0k1O01919; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from comet.pacifier.com ([199.2.117.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0jaO01788 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:45:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from grendal2 ([207.173.100.245]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2G0jW229475 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:45:33 -0800 (PST) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings Message-ID: <3C9226AD.21122.9463014@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> References: <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:51:57 -0800 Status: RO > At 01:07 AM 03/15/2002 -0700, C.A.Critchell wrote: > >she goes in to wonderful detail about the Effigy corset. In that > >article she mentions drawers or underwear but beyond the citations > >mentioned for the corset she didn't have any for the drawers. > > I heard Jean Hunnisett lecture last year, and during her lecture she > showed a slide of the Effigy in its undies. She's of the opinion that > the drawers were not period, but were added, probably when the effigy > was redressed during the 18th century, to hold padding in place or to > provide a surface to pin to. (the Effigy body is made of wood). > > I tend to agree with her. From the photo they looked like puffy > shorts with a drawstring around the top and some sort of gathering at > the leg openings, I couldn't see what. The legs were quite short, to > the upper thigh. They were plain fabric with no decoration. The most > telling part was that they quite obviously did not fit the effigy, > being way too short in the crotch, with the drawstring "waist" sitting > about where a pair of modern bikinis would, and with the fabric at the > crotch area strained and pulling. They would have been quite > uncomfortable on a human body, as well as precarious. After seeing them in person, I strongly felt that these could not have been Elizabeth's undies, for the reasons Margo mentioned. Also, the weren't in the style of the known Italian women's underwear. They looked like they were meant for a child to wear and much more like the drawers I've seen for 18th century stuff. The front didn't even close but sat much like my old cords which were about 10 sizes too small fit when I tried to pull them on. We must keep in mind that when the effigy was redressed, they put *panniers* beneath the skirts of the dress which never would have been worn with the dress. If they could do that, they certainly weren't above putting a pair of drawers they were familiar with on it! We do know that some women in this time period did wear undies. They are discussed in some of the men's travel letters as being shocking and that their (English) women wouldn't do such a thing. For some reason, modern women can't believe that *anyone* could go without underpanties. However, in some cultures they weren't worn even into the beginning of the 20th Century (and don't say "well, they must have been thin" because the Samoan women I'm thinking of were anything but thin, and they lived in a very sweaty environment. Same thing but with colder weather for the Russian peasant women.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 21:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18511 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:00:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G0q2a04426; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:52:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0q1O03743; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G0pqO03694 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:51:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A7225801A0; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:51:46 -0600 Message-ID: <004001c1cc84$9dfdf460$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000501c1cad6$3768ed40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> <000901c1caf9$67e4cd40$fc213d44@roylok01.mi.comcast.net> <003301c1cbf2$ad069b20$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3C91B404.48DF60C8@post12.tele.dk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:47:52 -0500 Status: RO Bjarne, You can come visit me. I'd love to show you some of the lovely embroidered pieces in museums here. There is a late 1700s gown that has 15-20 floral bouquets on it at the Valentine. Each bouquet is different. Just stunning. Some of my favorite embroidered fabrics are in the Colonial Williamsburg collection. My jaw dropped when they opened the archives of fabric. Some of history's best kept secrets are archived in museums. Some haven't seen the light of day in decades. Will I take Linda to see these things... no! They might disappear. LOL!! I know Bjarne will only sketch the designs not ***borrow*** the fabrics. BTW, Linda... do you have a thing for E.A. Poe too??? His items come up missing for the collections in Richmond occasionally. Were you the person who took Poe's statue a few years ago and left it at the Raven Bar? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 21:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18609 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:19:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G1BFa05412; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:11:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G1B3O09259; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:11:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G1AlO09190 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020316011042.BFJN10840.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:10:42 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping Message-ID: <000001c1cc86$69e16e30$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <004001c1cc84$9dfdf460$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:03:35 -0500 Status: RO Penny, I have only one thing to say about that, Nevermore! And Penny is right, we are extremely fortunate to live in a place with so much wonderful history at our fingertips. It may not be Merry Old Europe, but it's still got a lot to keep you busy! Linda -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Bjarne, You can come visit me. I'd love to show you some of the lovely embroidered pieces in museums here. There is a late 1700s gown that has 15-20 floral bouquets on it at the Valentine. Each bouquet is different. Just stunning. Some of my favorite embroidered fabrics are in the Colonial Williamsburg collection. My jaw dropped when they opened the archives of fabric. Some of history's best kept secrets are archived in museums. Some haven't seen the light of day in decades. Will I take Linda to see these things... no! They might disappear. LOL!! I know Bjarne will only sketch the designs not ***borrow*** the fabrics. BTW, Linda... do you have a thing for E.A. Poe too??? His items come up missing for the collections in Richmond occasionally. Were you the person who took Poe's statue a few years ago and left it at the Raven Bar? Penny Ladnier _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Mar 15 23:49:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19134 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:49:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G3f4a12313; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:41:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G3f1O16883; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G3eAO16727 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-66-137-modem.o1.com [66.81.66.137]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2G3gOR07443 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:42:24 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020315185842.04f3b600@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings In-Reply-To: <3C9226AD.32126.946305C@localhost> References: <4.3.1.2.20020315143419.050dd4f0@mail.frys.com> <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:07:28 -0800 Status: RO > > Apparently they show up in the inventories of Mary Queen of Scots, so > > at least some 'Elizabethan' women wore them. > >But Mary was far more French than English and she was also one >of the women considered scandalous (much like the d'Este sisters >when they started wearing them in Italy.) So, even if they showed >up, it didn't mean that *Elizabethan" (ie English) women wore them. You missed the part where I put Elizabethan in ' ' marks. While Mary Queen of Scots did live in England at the right time, she probably learned about under-drawers from her 'French' mother-in-law who was, I believe, Marie de Medici, an Italian. So I can't believe MQoS was the only woman in all of England and France who wore under-drawers. I agree they were way uncommon, and I'm not taking bets on how many others wore them, but certainly there were a few - not all 'Elizabethan' women were English. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 00:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19187 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:07:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G3x1a12999; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G3x0O20813; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:59:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net (smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net [206.210.69.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2G3wTO20693 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:58:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 23389 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 03:58:27 -0000 Received: from 208-27-190-61.inetone.net (HELO inetone.net) (208.27.190.61) by smtp1.mx.pitdc1.stargate.net with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 03:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3C92C409.3EC3BCC2@inetone.net> From: Dhannti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. References: <000c01c1cc64$de82e240$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:03:21 -0500 Status: RO Yes! I would love to wear full 16th century nobles and do a castle tour of France and Germany. The cutting off my ex's head with my rapier would be a bonus. But thats another fantasy. Di _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 00:34:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19270 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G4Q2a14193; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G4Q1O26870; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:26:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G4PGO26670 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:25:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16m5ko-0005B0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:25:15 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000001c1cca1$9aa39fa0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CC66.EE44C7A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Almost missed your post-Victoria Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:18:16 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CC66.EE44C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Victoria-I almost missed your post-are you able to change your subject line? . What a hoot. We could probably start a whole 'nother email list on horses used for recreation. I haven't done it yet, not for lack of naggers-got 4 too many horses as it is. Do you have any good sources for equestrian stuff? Where do you live? oooh aaahh, percheron/belgian.-yum. My sister is raising a belgian polish arab mix. I want a Friesian!! Oh, yeah-costume stuff-Great pictures on your site. No horsy pictures though-ooops this is the costume list! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Wickens Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #793 - 9 msgs At 12:05 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote: Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might be fun to ask. Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in their costumes (finished, planned or also just dreamed about)? You know, like riding down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? *sheepish grin, raising hand* Heck yes? It's rather funny, actually... the local hack stable lets me use their horses in my photo shoots whenever I want.. they're pretty cool about the whole thing since I no longer have horses of my own *sigh*. There's a black Percheron/Belgian mare there that I periodically drape in caparisons and ride in full kit on, so anybody on a guided trail ride gets a huge start when they see a fully-garbed medieval personage pounding through the woods *grin*. Heck they even let me bring my own weaponry and ride with it. Wonder if they'd consider selling that mare... hmmm..... Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2. html Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CC66.EE44C7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Hi=20 Victoria-I almost missed your post-are you able to change your subject=20 line?  . What a hoot.  We could probably start a whole = 'nother=20 email list on horses used for recreation.  I haven't done it yet, = not for=20 lack of naggers-got 4 too many horses as it is.  Do you have any = good=20 sources for equestrian stuff?  Where do you = live?
 
oooh=20 aaahh, percheron/belgian.-yum.  My sister is raising a belgian = polish arab=20 mix.  I want a Friesian!! 
 
Oh,=20 yeah-costume stuff-Great pictures on your site.  No horsy pictures=20 though-ooops this is the costume list!
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Victoria Wickens
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 12:40=20 PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] Re: = h-costume=20 digest, Vol 1 #793 - 9 msgs

At=20 12:05 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote:
Okay now I know this = is really=20 silly, but I just thought it might be fun
to ask.  Does = anyone else=20 fantasize about doing things in their costumes
(finished, planned = or also=20 just dreamed about)?  You know, like riding
down your ex and = whacking his head off with a sword?

*sheepish grin, = raising=20 hand*  Heck yes?  It's rather funny, actually... the local = hack=20 stable lets me use their horses in my photo shoots whenever I want.. = they're=20 pretty cool about the whole thing since I no longer have horses of my = own=20 *sigh*.  There's a black Percheron/Belgian mare there that I = periodically=20 drape in caparisons and ride in full kit on, so anybody on a guided = trail ride=20 gets a huge start when they see a fully-garbed medieval personage = pounding=20 through the woods *grin*.  Heck they even let me bring my own = weaponry=20 and ride with it.  Wonder if they'd consider selling that mare... = hmmm.....

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1CC66.EE44C7A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 00:42:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19290 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:42:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G4Y6a14632; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:34:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G4Y4O28705; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:34:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G4XUO28578 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:33:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16m5sn-0000d2-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:33:29 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1CC68.14E1EC20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:26:32 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1CC68.14E1EC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I was at the natural history museum in Chicago a few weeks ago I saw this incredible Eskimo 'suit' of eider down duck. This was obviously made of a hid e of feathers. Does anyone have any sources that might have information about how to tan a hide so that the feathers would stay put? Can you imagine a collar of 'breast of pheasant' or 'peacock'? ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1CC68.14E1EC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
When=20 I was at the natural history museum in Chicago a few weeks ago I = saw this=20 incredible
Eskimo 'suit' of eider down duck.  = This =20 was  obviously made of a  hid e of  = feathers.   =20 Does  anyone have any sources that might have information about how = to tan=20 a hide so that the feathers would stay put? 
 
Can=20 you imagine a collar of 'breast of pheasant' or = 'peacock'?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C1CC68.14E1EC20-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 00:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19300 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:45:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G4b1a14730; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G4b1O29442; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G4aKO29273 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:36:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.115] (as3-4-129.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.115]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2G4aI606601 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:36:19 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <011a01c1cc64$60157760$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> References: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> <011a01c1cc64$60157760$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:46:54 -0800 Status: RO At 1:00 PM -0800 3/15/02, Daniel Fenwick wrote: > > >Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and >> >there's no metric thing of about that size. >> >> Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a >> perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. > >Yes, but much harder to pace off across the floor when getting rough >dimensions... :) Not everyone's foot is a foot. Not everyone's stride is a yard. I like decimeters because the width of my palm is one. I don't use them much, but I like them. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 01:12:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19422 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:12:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G543a15757; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G541O05767; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13502.mail.yahoo.com (web13502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2G53wO05743 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:03:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020316050358.9995.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [143.192.1.15] by web13502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:03:58 PST From: Sheila Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200203160435.g2G4ZKO29049@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:03:58 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > No idea. This is mentioned in 'The Embroidery of > Mary Queen of Scots', and > there may be a bibliographical note in the back > about where the actual > inventories are. I remember this bit of trivia, but > no longer own the book. Don't suppose you remember who wrote or published it? I can't seem to find it at amazon or bookfinder. Sheila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 01:18:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19437 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:18:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G5A1a15906; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G5A0O07160; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:10:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G59nO07109 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:09:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p215.directcon.net [209.233.107.215]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09635; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:09:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020315204342.00825130@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers In-Reply-To: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:43:42 -0800 Status: RO I had a room mate once who worked in the kitchen at a casino restaurant. They had a "wild game night" when they served ducks and pheasants raised on the owner's estate. One of the chefs taught my friend how to skin a bird, and to bury the "hide" in a box of salt for a few weeks. They came out reasonably pliable, and not at all stinky. I used some of the feathers to make feather earrings and hatbands (hey, it was the 70's, after all). Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 01:27:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19457 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:27:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G5J1a16208; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G5J1O09277; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix3-hme0.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.83] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2G5ITO09151 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:18:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 7876 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 05:18:27 -0000 Received: from s23.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.73) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 16 Mar 2002 05:18:27 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020315234656.009ec080@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200203160435.g2G4Z4O29009@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_58238883==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Horses and Costumes Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:20:36 -0500 Status: RO --=====================_58238883==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:35 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Victoria-I almost missed your post-are you able to change your >subject line? . Yeah, but I just got lazy *grin*. My apologies. > What a hoot. We could probably start a whole 'nother >email list on horses used for recreation. Oooo, I always wanted to do that *grin* thankfully Himself (the hubby) is into horses as well, but he does ACW *sigh* and I do MUCH earlier stuff *grin*. I'm game, or we can chat offlist if you like!! >I haven't done it yet, not >for lack of naggers-got 4 too many horses as it is. Ooo? *perking* Do any of them need a good home? *hopeful look* >Do you have any >good sources for equestrian stuff? Where do you live? Central NY, smack-dab in the middle of Syracuse and Rochester, and it depends on what you mean by Equestrian Stuff. I make my own caparisons, usually mountable over an English or a MacClellan saddle, and I sometimes use the horse's regular bridle if I cannot manage to rig one that matches the rest of the caparisons. Stateline Tack is about an hour and change from me, in Brockport. > oooh aaahh, percheron/belgian.-yum. My sister is raising a belgian >polish arab mix. I want a Friesian!! Oooo, me too!!! *grin* I got a pic somewhere of me and Belle (that's her name, but I affectionately call her Tank, because of her propensity for taking down small trees as we dash madly through the forest) if you'd like to see it... nothing of us in garb though, as the last stuff I made was for a much smaller horse, and the velvet caparisons are on the back burner for now *sigh* > Oh, yeah-costume stuff-Great pictures on your site. No horsy pictures >though-ooops this is the costume list! *grin* Thank you and hopefully soon if I can light a fire under my webmistress... have more pics to scan of other outfits I've done and I do have SOME shots of the Horseman's Cloak, but they aren't the greatest quality. If you want to see them, I can email them to you. Now to find another web-pointing service that's not going to charge me through the nose. If anyone has any ideas, email them to me offlist, please? Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_58238883==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 09:35 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Victoria-I almost missed your post-are you able to change your
subject line?  .

Yeah, but I just got lazy *grin*.  My apologies.

 What a hoot.  We could probably start a whole 'nother
email list on horses used for recreation. 

Oooo, I always wanted to do that *grin*  thankfully Himself (the hubby) is into horses as well, but he does ACW *sigh* and I do MUCH earlier stuff *grin*.  I'm game, or we can chat offlist if you like!!

I haven't done it yet, not
for lack of naggers-got 4 too many horses as it is. 

Ooo? *perking*  Do any of them need a good home? *hopeful look*

Do you have any
good sources for equestrian stuff?  Where do you live?

Central NY, smack-dab in the middle of Syracuse and Rochester, and it depends on what you mean by Equestrian Stuff.  I make my own caparisons, usually mountable over an English or a MacClellan saddle, and I sometimes use the horse's regular bridle if I cannot manage to rig one that matches the rest of the caparisons.  Stateline Tack is about an hour and change from me, in Brockport.

 oooh aaahh, percheron/belgian.-yum.  My sister is raising a belgian
polish arab mix.  I want a Friesian!! 

Oooo, me too!!!  *grin*  I got a pic somewhere of me and Belle (that's her name, but I affectionately call her Tank, because of her propensity for taking down small trees as we dash madly through the forest) if you'd like to see it... nothing of us in garb though, as the last stuff I made was for a much smaller horse, and the velvet caparisons are on the back burner for now *sigh*

 Oh, yeah-costume stuff-Great pictures on your site.  No horsy pictures
though-ooops this is the costume list!

*grin*  Thank you and hopefully soon if I can light a fire under my webmistress... have more pics to scan of other outfits I've done and I do have SOME shots of the Horseman's Cloak, but they aren't the greatest quality.  If you want to see them, I can email them to you.  Now to find another web-pointing service that's not going to charge me through the nose.  If anyone has any ideas, email them to me offlist, please?

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_58238883==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 01:46:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19527 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:46:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G5c2a17066; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:38:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G5c1O13316; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:38:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G5bZO13240 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:37:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16m6so-0003hB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:37:34 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Horses and Costumes Organization: PII Message-ID: <000f01c1ccab$b4d338e0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1CC71.087460E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020315234656.009ec080@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:30:37 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1CC71.087460E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are not going to believe this (I hardly can!). My sister lives in Cato, N.Y. (Between Rochester and Syracuse). That little (little-hah!) polish/Belgian mix is there. What is ACW? (something west?) I live in Phoenix AZ. My gosh you must be up late! Do you have a place to keep a horse? Oh-costume-oh bother. Lets chat off list. My hubby is big time into guns-I might be able to coax him into a western outfit. I've been trying to get him into tights for years-no deal. (oh I managed to work something related to costumes in here!) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Victoria Wickens Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:21 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Horses and Costumes At 09:35 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you wrote: Hi Victoria-I almost missed your post-are you able to change your subject line? . Yeah, but I just got lazy *grin*. My apologies. What a hoot. We could probably start a whole 'nother email list on horses used for recreation. Oooo, I always wanted to do that *grin* thankfully Himself (the hubby) is into horses as well, but he does ACW *sigh* and I do MUCH earlier stuff *grin*. I'm game, or we can chat offlist if you like!! I haven't done it yet, not for lack of naggers-got 4 too many horses as it is. Ooo? *perking* Do any of them need a good home? *hopeful look* Do you have any good sources for equestrian stuff? Where do you live? Central NY, smack-dab in the middle of Syracuse and Rochester, and it depends on what you mean by Equestrian Stuff. I make my own caparisons, usually mountable over an English or a MacClellan saddle, and I sometimes use the horse's regular bridle if I cannot manage to rig one that matches the rest of the caparisons. Stateline Tack is about an hour and change from me, in Brockport. oooh aaahh, percheron/belgian.-yum. My sister is raising a belgian polish arab mix. I want a Friesian!! Oooo, me too!!! *grin* I got a pic somewhere of me and Belle (that's her name, but I affectionately call her Tank, because of her propensity for taking down small trees as we dash madly through the forest) if you'd like to see it... nothing of us in garb though, as the last stuff I made was for a much smaller horse, and the velvet caparisons are on the back burner for now *sigh* Oh, yeah-costume stuff-Great pictures on your site. No horsy pictures though-ooops this is the costume list! *grin* Thank you and hopefully soon if I can light a fire under my webmistress... have more pics to scan of other outfits I've done and I do have SOME shots of the Horseman's Cloak, but they aren't the greatest quality. If you want to see them, I can email them to you. Now to find another web-pointing service that's not going to charge me through the nose. If anyone has any ideas, email them to me offlist, please? Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2. html Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/ ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1CC71.087460E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

You=20 are not going to believe this (I hardly can!).  My sister lives in = Cato,=20 N.Y.  (Between Rochester and Syracuse).  That little=20 (little-hah!) polish/Belgian mix is there.   What is = ACW? =20 (something west?)  I live in Phoenix AZ.  My gosh you must be = up=20 late! 
 
Do=20 you have a place to keep a horse?   Oh-costume-oh = bother.  Lets=20 chat off list.  My hubby is big time into guns-I might be able to = coax him=20 into a western outfit.  I've been trying to get him into tights for = years-no deal.  (oh I managed to work something related to costumes = in=20 here!)
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Victoria Wickens
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:21=20 PM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] Re: = Horses=20 and Costumes

At 09:35 PM 3/15/02 -0700, you = wrote:
Hi Victoria-I almost = missed your=20 post-are you able to change your
subject line? =20 .

Yeah, but I just got lazy *grin*.  My=20 apologies.

 What a = hoot.  We could=20 probably start a whole 'nother
email list on horses used for=20 recreation. 

Oooo, I always wanted to do that=20 *grin*  thankfully Himself (the hubby) is into horses as well, = but he=20 does ACW *sigh* and I do MUCH earlier stuff *grin*.  I'm game, or = we can=20 chat offlist if you like!!

I haven't done it = yet, not
for=20 lack of naggers-got 4 too many horses as it is.  =

Ooo?=20 *perking*  Do any of them need a good home? *hopeful = look*

Do you have = any
good sources=20 for equestrian stuff?  Where do you = live?

Central NY,=20 smack-dab in the middle of Syracuse and Rochester, and it depends on = what you=20 mean by Equestrian Stuff.  I make my own caparisons, usually = mountable=20 over an English or a MacClellan saddle, and I sometimes use the = horse's=20 regular bridle if I cannot manage to rig one that matches the rest of = the=20 caparisons.  Stateline Tack is about an hour and change from me, = in=20 Brockport.

 oooh aaahh,=20 percheron/belgian.-yum.  My sister is raising a = belgian
polish arab=20 mix.  I want a Friesian!! 

Oooo, me = too!!! =20 *grin*  I got a pic somewhere of me and Belle (that's her name, = but I=20 affectionately call her Tank, because of her propensity for taking = down small=20 trees as we dash madly through the forest) if you'd like to see it... = nothing=20 of us in garb though, as the last stuff I made was for a much smaller = horse,=20 and the velvet caparisons are on the back burner for now = *sigh*

 Oh, = yeah-costume=20 stuff-Great pictures on your site.  No horsy = pictures
though-ooops=20 this is the costume list!

*grin*  Thank you and = hopefully=20 soon if I can light a fire under my webmistress... have more pics to = scan of=20 other outfits I've done and I do have SOME shots of the Horseman's = Cloak, but=20 they aren't the greatest quality.  If you want to see them, I can = email=20 them to you.  Now to find another web-pointing service that's not = going=20 to charge me through the nose.  If anyone has any ideas, email = them to me=20 offlist, please?

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/index2.html
Gallery: http://68.55.139.42/~lvcc/castle-creations/

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1CC71.087460E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 02:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15212 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:25:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G6H3a18355; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G6H1O21272; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G6GFO21122 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:16:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-120-196-modem.o1.com [66.81.120.196]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2G6ITR09838 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:18:29 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020315221022.00bfacb0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020315204342.00825130@pop.directcon.net> References: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:14:44 -0800 Status: RO >I had a room mate once who worked in the kitchen at a casino restaurant. >They had a "wild game night" when they served ducks and pheasants raised on >the owner's estate. One of the chefs taught my friend how to skin a bird, >and to bury the "hide" in a box of salt for a few weeks. They came out >reasonably pliable, and not at all stinky. I used some of the feathers to >make feather earrings and hatbands (hey, it was the 70's, after all). Borax is good too. The 20 Mule Team kind is fine. Someone I know made friends with a duck hunter, and he gave us a gunny sack full of non-matching mallard wings. We dried them out in borax, and she did an 1890's hat with hers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 02:47:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15258 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:47:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G6d2a18895; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:39:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G6d0O25495; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:39:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G6bxO25279 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A84AEE01BE; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:38:02 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01c1ccb4$faa54800$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <000001c1cc86$69e16e30$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:36:58 -0500 Status: RO Oh, Linda, you will be back in Richmond... I got a postcard in the mail today the Antique Book show/ Antiques Spectacular is... <<>> Mar. 23-24 at the Showplace on Mechanicsville Turnpike (Rt. 360). Sat. 10-6, Sun 12-5. This is my favorite antique show. My husband is wanting us to move back West to New Mexico or Colorado. I have put my foot down... I won't leave Costume Heaven!!! We can have an Autumn/Winter home in the West but I am staying in Virginia the majority of the time. We have access to so many libraries and museums... nothing like going to the original source. Plus there are a lot of costuming events here. Such a respect for history and the arts. When we moved the website to its new host, we checked on our new demographic software, more people visited the site from California and Virginia than anywhere else in the U.S. I thought at first... well, AOL is based in Virginia so that is why Virginia came in high. The statistics are based on where your server is located. Recently, I bought two large maps, on of the world and a separate U.S. map with the individual states. I placed both maps on the floor, then went through my records for the classes. I called out the location country/state of every student who has taken a class. As I called it out the info, my children placed a color coded dot on the location on the map. After doing this for a while, my little Katie said, "Mom, you need to open up a school for California and Virginia for costume." We have an overwhelming amount of students from California. Statistically, for almost every class we have 2 students from California and at least one from Virginia. I just finished writing my first grant proposal, so I am full of statistics. If you hear someone screaming for joy in about a month... it will mean we got the grant. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 03:07:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15314 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:07:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G6x2a19368; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G6x1O29198; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G6wkO29146 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 23:58:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-84-147.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.84.147]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AER06534; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:58:43 GMT Message-ID: <00c101c1ccb8$c38b0040$70444ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com><5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> <4.3.1.2.20020315221022.00bfacb0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:04:05 -0000 Status: RO We used phesant wings on an 1870s had, the full wing bone & flesh, it was died it a very very slow oven, two years later & no noticible stink. I'd suggest looking at recipes for taxidermy for keeping the feathers on Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 03:09:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15319 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:09:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G712a19454; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G710O29591; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G70bO29523 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:00:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pavilion (213-78-84-147.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.84.147]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AER06548; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:00:35 GMT Message-ID: <00cb01c1ccb9$06a6df20$70444ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <000f01c1ccab$b4d338e0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Horses and Costumes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:05:58 -0000 Status: RO There are quite a few lists re horses & dressing up Parade horse is one, then the SCA lists for equestrians, medieval there is warhorse & cavalry for later Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 04:25:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15568 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:25:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G8H3a21373; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G8H1O13241; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G8GaO13170 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:16:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020316081635.QNYK22101.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:16:35 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Message-ID: <3C92FF5A.15170.1696A6@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> References: <3C9233E8.26449.B1263@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:16:26 -0000 Status: RO On 15 Mar 2002 at 10:36, Ulrika A. O'Brien wrote: > But, at least in Sweden, it's common to use an intermediate unit: > the hectogram: 100 grams, which is a perfectly useful and convenient > size. Never even heard of that one. I can see how the word derives, but I've never herad of anyone using it. 100 grams: about 4 ounces: yes, that's quite a nice unit. > A decimeter is a perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. Ten centimetres? Yes, again, it would be, if it was ever used. You know, I can see why this metric stuff caught on in Sweden, if you got that sort of unit to play with. Over here, they do daft things like measuring cars in millimetres. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 04:25:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15572 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 04:25:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G8HXa21392; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:17:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G8HWO13314; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:17:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G8GcO13182 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 01:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from master ([213.107.35.219]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020316081637.QNYW22101.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:16:37 +0000 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Message-ID: <3C92FF5B.30814.1697AB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315131545.01b159f0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> References: <011a01c1cc64$60157760$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:16:27 -0000 Status: RO On 15 Mar 2002 at 13:23, Ulrika A. O'Brien wrote: > At 01:00 PM 3/15/2002, you wrote: > > > >Come to think of it, even with length: the foot is a nice-sized unit, and > > > >there's no metric thing of about that size. > > > > > > Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a > > > perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. > > > >Yes, but much harder to pace off across the floor when getting rough > >dimensions... :) > > Depends on the size of your feet! I know men who have foot-long > feet, but lots of women might well be no closer to a foot than > a decimeter. If I'm measuring a field, rather than a bit of cloth, a pace is about a yard. Me not having very long legs, I can't pace a metre. But that's pretty approximate anyway. The "hand" (across the knuckles including the thumb), standard unit for measuring horses, is useful. Four inches. But (grabbing a ruler), that would also be about 10cm, which is this "decimetre" thing. I'll have to start using that, it's a good unit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 05:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA15698 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 05:37:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2G9T8a23726; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:29:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2G9T2O25412; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:29:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from c016.snv.cp.net (c016-h018.c016.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2G9SuO25381 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:28:58 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 15570 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2002 01:28:51 -0800 Message-ID: <20020316092851.15569.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Mar 2002 09:28:51 GMT Received: from [212.54.20.129] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 16 Mar 2002 01:28:51 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: riina vuokko X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 X-Sent-From: riina@altavista.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 16 Mar 2002 01:28:51 -0800 Status: RO I might use a pound of one ingredient: I'm unlikely to use a kilo in home > cooking. I often do, but then my husband keeps complaining that I cook enough for an army. Perhaps we should move to England - a good way to lose weight... > Oh, and the decimal system has one real problem: dividing by three. A third of a yard is > a foot: a third of a foot is four inches. A third of a metre is 33.3-recurring centimetres? > No, give me base-12 any time. OK, I give up! I never thought dividing by three would be that important, I'm happy to divide by 5... But this is like argueing whether raspberries taste better than strawberries. By the way, I was just reading Newsweek and in an article about fashion shows they said "11 cm heels". Could somebody in the States explain whether this is just because the fashion designer happened to be european and the poor editors didn't kow how much tat would be in inches, or do high-heeled shoes belong to the same category with new-born babies? just wondering, Riina > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 06:44:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA15845 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:44:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GAa4a25244; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:36:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GAa0O21448; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:36:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GAZfO21395 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 03:35:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from studorg.hiof.no ([213.46.219.161]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020316103540.UKEB355.mta02@studorg.hiof.no> for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:35:40 +0100 Message-ID: <3C93206F.F3396B66@studorg.hiof.no> From: "Ingrid G. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Storr=F8?=" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [no] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: no MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers References: <3C9233E8.26449.B1263@localhost> <3C92FF5A.15170.1696A6@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:37:35 +0100 Status: RO Jane Williams skrev: > > A decimeter is a perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. > > Ten centimetres? Yes, again, it would be, if it was ever used. > > You know, I can see why this metric stuff caught on in Sweden, if you got that sort of > unit to play with. Over here, they do daft things like measuring cars in millimetres. Really? *giggle* In that case, I can se why people seem disinclied to adopt the metric system! :D But seriously, there are all kinds of intermediate units that can be used - and even when they're not, 20 or 30 centimeters are perfectly useful units when you know how much one centimeter is. It really does only boil down to what you're used to and what feels natural to you. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 11:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17005 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:10:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GF23a02598; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GF20O16214; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GF1WO16115 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:01:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g2GF1VB00375 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:01:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008901c1ccfb$514f65a0$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <20020316092851.15569.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:00:26 -0500 Status: RO Greetings-- > By the way, I was just reading Newsweek and in an article about fashion shows they said "11 cm heels". Could somebody in the States explain whether this is just because the fashion designer happened to be european and the poor editors didn't kow how much tat would be in inches, or do high-heeled shoes belong to the same category with new-born babies? Was it online Newsweek or a non-US edition? They often change things like measurements to metric when they provide content to non-US customers. If it was a US edition, I'm stumped. Maybe an editor just missed it. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 12:04:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17205 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GFu2a04596; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:56:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GFu1O29074; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GFtwO29059 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:55:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-117-207-modem.o1.com [66.81.117.207]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2GFwER15941 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:58:14 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020316062902.04f76a90@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers In-Reply-To: <00c101c1ccb8$c38b0040$70444ed5@pavilion> References: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> <4.3.1.2.20020315221022.00bfacb0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:53:29 -0800 Status: RO >We used pheasant wings on an 1870s had, the full wing bone & flesh, it was >died it a very very slow oven, two years later & no noticible stink. I'd >suggest looking at recipes for taxidermy for keeping the feathers on We looked at recipes for taxidermy, and that's where we got the borax idea. The skin shrank in the drying process, and those feathers were in there good and solid. The stink is decay. The decay-bacteria won't grow on something dry like taxidermed bird parts. We stored our wings in plastic bags with a little borax in with them to keep them dry, so no mold would grow in there. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 12:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17209 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:04:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GFuLa04610; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GFuJO29136; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:56:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GFtxO29064 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 08:55:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-117-207-modem.o1.com [66.81.117.207]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2GFwFR15944 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:58:15 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020316065316.04f6b100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] taxidermy on Victorian hats Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 07:23:58 -0800 Status: RO I looked up several animals on the US Fish and Game Department website, to find out which ones were endangered/protected and which ones were OK for hats (and costumes). If you use the wrong animal parts, Fish and Game can fine you, confiscate the garment they are on, and maybe even jail you. Anything with a hunting/fishing season (pheasants, quahog clams, etc.) is assumed to have been got legally. Fallen feathers from protected species are technically illegal, even tho it is possible to tell a fallen feather from a plucked-out one. Licensed hawk owners are not allowed to give you fallen feathers from their own birds, altho they may legally wear these themselves. Some Native Americans can wear some protected animal parts. 'Escaped domestic animal' (chickens, cows, Dalmations, etc.) parts are always legal, as are varmint parts (rats, coyotes, etc.) Things like ostriches, which are endangered in the wild but ranched in the US, are legal in the US but may not be legal elsewhere. (20 years ago, when we were going to Australia/Lochac, we were told that we couldn't bring our ostrich feathers into Australia, because their customs officers couldn't tell ranched ones from endangered ones. Likewise, we couldn't legally bring back any kangaroo parts, even leather from what the Aussies know are vermin species, because US customs officers can't tell one from the other.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 13:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17443 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:25:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GHH6a08004; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GHH0O21076; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GHG6O20846 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.164] (as3-4-178.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.164]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2GHG5623001 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:16:05 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020315143657.050cf600@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020315143657.050cf600@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:11:03 -0800 Status: RO At 2:38 PM -0800 3/15/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>Whatever is clean works for me. ;} > >Interesting - nothing I fantasize about doing, in historical >costume, gets better than an 'R' rating. Maybe it's the writer in me, but one of the things I always consider when making a historic outfit is its "taking off" potential. What would it be like to undress someone wearing this? Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 13:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17544 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:53:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GHj6a09364; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:45:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GHj3O29126; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:45:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GHiBO28871 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:44:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [209.249.181.46] (pool181-22.patriot.net [209.249.181.22]) (authenticated) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GHiAV27254 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:44:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020315143657.050cf600@mail.frys.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:43:00 -0500 Status: RO >At 2:38 PM -0800 3/15/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>>Whatever is clean works for me. ;} >> >>Interesting - nothing I fantasize about doing, in historical >>costume, gets better than an 'R' rating. > >Maybe it's the writer in me, but one of the things I always consider >when making a historic outfit is its "taking off" potential. What >would it be like to undress someone wearing this? > >Heather Although with the Queen Margot scenario, you don't have to take off anything... Suddenly I see Costume Cons becoming much more popular with non-costumers. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 14:17:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17665 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:17:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GI9Aa10394; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:09:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GI93O05639; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:09:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GI8qO05579 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:08:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [68.65.178.96] ([68.65.178.96]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT2VQN00.I0A for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:08:47 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:08:46 -0500 Status: RO > > Although with the Queen Margot scenario, you don't have to take > off anything... > > Suddenly I see Costume Cons becoming much more popular with non-costumers. > > -Carol I remember seeing the "alley scene" for the first time, and yeah it was steamy, but I couldn't help whining that the back of the dress would be scored by the stone wall behind her. No, not a textile freak at all! Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 14:48:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17844 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:48:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GIe5a11970; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:40:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GIe1O14434; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GIdnO14380 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:39:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a246.in-tch.com [66.62.107.46]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2GIRl901236 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:27:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C939299.F64628B0@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers References: <3C9233E8.26449.B1263@localhost> <3C92FF5A.15170.1696A6@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:44:41 -0700 Status: RO And then, of course, there's us poor souls who mostly use feet/inches/yards, and live in a country that does, and own a swedish car....*sigh*.....the nearest volvo repair place is two states away in Washington..... --Sue Jane Williams wrote: > You know, I can see why this metric stuff caught on in Sweden, if you got that sort of > unit to play with. Over here, they do daft things like measuring cars in millimetres. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 15:13:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17983 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:13:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GJ52a13380; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:05:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GJ51O21540; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:05:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GJ3xO21196 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:03:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from mmx233 (async106-2.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.98.106]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AER44918; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:03:56 GMT Message-ID: <007701c1cd1b$d55ae700$15f7fea9@mmx233> From: "Ruth Bean" To: References: <200203160818.g2G8IGO13475@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C1CD1B.C6974CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:52:52 -0000 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C1CD1B.C6974CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: Sheila Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings To: h-costume@indra.com Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings > Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > No idea. This is mentioned in 'The Embroidery of > Mary Queen of Scots', and=20 > there may be a bibliographical note in the back > about where the actual=20 > inventories are. I remember this bit of trivia, but > no longer own the book. Don't suppose you remember who wrote or published it? I can't seem to find it at amazon or bookfinder. Sheila Margaret Swain wrote The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots. It was last = reprinted December 2000 and we are the publisher. Copies should still be = available in the USA from Unicorn Books, Petaluma, CA, or if not from us = directly. The reading list does contain a reference: Thomson, T: Collection of inventories and other records of the royal = wardrobe (Edinburgh, 1815), but we haven't seen this! 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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C1CD1B.C6974CE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 15:24:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18051 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:24:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GJG2a13900; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:16:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GJG1O24582; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:16:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GJF3O24329 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from FABRICHOARDER@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.181.530dd03 (4197) for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:14:52 -0500 (EST) From: FABRICHOARDER@aol.com Message-ID: <181.530dd03.29c4f3ac@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_181.530dd03.29c4f3ac_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:14:52 EST Status: RO --part1_181.530dd03.29c4f3ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots Author: Margaret Swain Copyright: 1973 Publisher: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, Inc. ISBN: 0-442-29962-1 On page 46, the author notes Mary had a "pair of drawers (calsons)" sent to Lochleven during her captivity. Ramona --part1_181.530dd03.29c4f3ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots

Author:  Margaret Swain

Copyright:  1973

Publisher:  Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, Inc.

ISBN:  0-442-29962-1

On page 46, the author notes Mary had a "pair of drawers (calsons)" sent to Lochleven during her captivity.

Ramona --part1_181.530dd03.29c4f3ac_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 15:48:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18165 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:48:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GJe2a14938; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GJe1O00463; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:40:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.68]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GJdLO00280 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:39:15 -0800 Received: from 208.141.166.78 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:39:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.141.166.78] From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2002 19:39:15.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[41CC3A50:01C1CD22] Subject: [h-cost] Alice In Wonderland Question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:39:15 -0700 Status: RO Hi all, In 1999, CBS aired a miniseries of Alice In Wonderland directed by Nick Willing, and having a girl named Tina Majorino as Alice... Whoopi Goldberg was the Cheshire Cat. The shoes that Alice wore were WONDERFUL and I'd love to know if anyone knows how to contact the costume designer for this movie? Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 16:57:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18563 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:57:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GKn7a18413; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:49:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GKn5O17269; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:49:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GKmgO17176 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:48:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2089.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.89]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14493 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <3C93AE1E.541A85B3@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers References: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com><5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> <4.3.1.2.20020315221022.00bfacb0@mail.frys.com> <00c101c1ccb8$c38b0040$70444ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:42:06 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Just a note on the "tanning" aspect of the conversation. The processes you mention (salt and borax) are closer to tawing than tanning. The salts draw out moisture from the flesh and skin in the same way that natron was used to preserve Egyptian bodies. Tawing was done with alum and salt, and is the basis for modern type chemical tanning. However, merely salting or using borax are not enough to properly convert the skin to the pliable and relatively bacteria-safe product that you would want. The tannin in the tanning process helps to permanently convert some of the tissue. Tawing, at least in the Medieval period, was considered less of a quality process than tanning, although many quality products were made from it, because the process was less lasting. As a side note, the third method of leather preservation other than tanning and tawing is chamoising, where the hides and skins are subjected to oil and oxidation processes. The buff leather used for armor straps and, indeed, many sorts of body armor from the 16th and 17th Cents., such as the ubiquitous "buffcoat", are made in this manner. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 17:19:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18702 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:19:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GL81a19352; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GL81O21985; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:08:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pageartists.com (usedpowerchutes.com [207.159.140.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GL7NO21852 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:07:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from ravenxprt (pdx-ppp245.pop1.net [209.102.127.80]) by pageartists.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25893 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006b01c1cd2f$54e5fc40$2dd9fea9@com> From: "Brenna" To: References: <6159DACBB5C25F745BD469CCBBD33D36@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <009701c1cb85$9a346b20$2dd9fea9@com> <3C917208.45C0741@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:12:48 -0800 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women > Dunno about that one...the only two things I have *ever* seen adequately > support my bust (I'm some sort of 56G, mumble, mumble) are my Okay, ya got me. I think the largest Elizabethan-style I've fitted was a 40FF. > Elizabethan corset (with rather more than four bones), and one of > Robin's gothic fitted gowns. If I'm wearing another style (ItalianRen, > for instance, or one of the earlier styles involving some sort of > tee-tunic, or the lower-class wench stuff I wore for years before I > turned it into loaner garb for our SCA group) I pretty much *have* to > cheat and wear a bra. Another rather large woman I worked with for a cote-hardie was about your size but the belt-the-chemise-under-the-bust trick was sufficient for support apparently. As far as I know, she didn't wear a bra. ('Course, I only know of her wearing the outfit once. She usually does Elizabethan and fits her own.) > I'm looking forward to trying some of the corded bodies and stays that > have been showing up recently..... Yeah, it's been sounding interesting. Myself, I'm going to experiment with natural reed splits "real soon now". If you are in (or coming thru) the Portland, OR area, get in touch off-line, eh? I'd like a chance at fitting someone your size. Most shy away thinking I'll try tight-lacing them. ttyl, Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 17:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18733 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:26:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GLI7a19729; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GLI0O24356; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GLHYO24269 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:17:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2089.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.89]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27204 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:17:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3C93B4E8.5705034B@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings References: <4.3.1.2.20020315143419.050dd4f0@mail.frys.com> <3.0.6.32.20020315105020.00835770@pop.directcon.net> <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> <4.3.1.2.20020315160042.00c193c0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:11:04 -0500 Status: RO If you mean this book, "The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots" by Margaret Swain 1986 Ruth Bean Pubs. ISBN 0-903585-22-7, I have a copy. I looked briefly through the inventories section, but didn't find a reference to netherbreeches. If you can remember if this is the book, and about where in it the reference is, I will look for it. As a sidenote, I have had this or a similar discussion with a number of folks. In this case, I will refer to a greater authority, Millia Davenport's Book of Costume. Pg 632-633 Photos 1689-93 The description reads "XVIc. Italian. Sicilian. 5-piece set of Linen Underwear, embroidered in silk and metal threads: camisia (underdress), shirt, stockings (without foot), and two pairs of underdrawers. Underdrawers, like most refinements of dress, originated in Italy. Moryson mentions "silke or linnen breeches under their gownes" as being characteristic of Italian townswomen's dress. He says they are not worn at all in Germany; they are obviously none too common in his native England at end XVIc." Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 18:30:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19030 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:30:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GMM6a22427; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:22:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GMM2O09611; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GMLhO09554 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:21:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16mMYY-0004Rh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:21:42 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <004001c1cc84$9dfdf460$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:26:09 -0500 Status: RO Penny, if Bjarne comes over give me plenty of notice and I'll drive down to meet you both. I'm only in DC, but would love to do a museum tour with you all. I promise not to "borrow" the fabric either. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:48 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping Bjarne, You can come visit me. I'd love to show you some of the lovely embroidered pieces in museums here. There is a late 1700s gown that has 15-20 floral bouquets on it at the Valentine. Each bouquet is different. Just stunning. Some of my favorite embroidered fabrics are in the Colonial Williamsburg collection. My jaw dropped when they opened the archives of fabric. Some of history's best kept secrets are archived in museums. Some haven't seen the light of day in decades. Will I take Linda to see these things... no! They might disappear. LOL!! I know Bjarne will only sketch the designs not ***borrow*** the fabrics. BTW, Linda... do you have a thing for E.A. Poe too??? His items come up missing for the collections in Richmond occasionally. Were you the person who took Poe's statue a few years ago and left it at the Raven Bar? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 18:54:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19191 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:54:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GMk2a23418; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GMk1O14990; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:46:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GMjWO14877 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:45:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (morr0666.gti.net [208.216.122.66]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 8778F145943 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C93CB28.31326834@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Fantasy References: <000001c1cca1$9aa39fa0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:46:00 -0500 Status: RO I hadn't before, but now you've given me an idea....
But how does one orchestrate such a scenario? *sigh*
It'll never happen...
Deb R
You know, like riding
down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword?

  _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 19:20:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19349 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:20:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GNB2a24346; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:11:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNB0O20667; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:11:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNASO20570 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:10:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.146] (as3-4-160.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.146]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2GNAO612967 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:10:24 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020315221022.00bfacb0@mail.frys.com> References: <000201c1cca2$c140c420$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20020315142129.00aaa330@mail.broadviewnet.net> <4.3.1.2.20020315221022.00bfacb0@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] "tanning" hides of feathers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 10:18:50 -0800 Status: RO At 10:14 PM -0800 3/15/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>I had a room mate once who worked in the kitchen at a casino restaurant. >>They had a "wild game night" when they served ducks and pheasants raised on >>the owner's estate. One of the chefs taught my friend how to skin a bird, >>and to bury the "hide" in a box of salt for a few weeks. They came out >>reasonably pliable, and not at all stinky. I used some of the feathers to >>make feather earrings and hatbands (hey, it was the 70's, after all). > >Borax is good too. The 20 Mule Team kind is fine. Someone I know >made friends with a duck hunter, and he gave us a gunny sack full of >non-matching mallard wings. We dried them out in borax, and she did >an 1890's hat with hers. As a former amateur taxidermist ... Both these methods work for preserving a bird skin with feathers intact, but only if the skin is not required to be pliable. Both methods are simply a drying process, using either salt or borax to pull moisture out of the hide. (Borax works much more strongly and is what I used in taxidermy.) In both cases, if you have a particularly fat skin or greasy feathers (e.g., most water birds) it's important to note that the treatment does nothing to the fat, and it may eventually become rancid and rot the skin. Conversely, if you want to try doing an "oil-tan" method on the skin, this may be a bonus (or you could try adding oil to the dried skin). I never tried processing a bird "pelt" for permanent flexibility. The oil-tan method is the obvious one to try (similarly to methods used for some small furs) since it doesn't involve soaking the pelt entirely in liquid (which can mess up the feathers). This would involve first drying the skin (and removing _excess) fat from it) and then working small amounts of oil into it while flexing the skin to soften it. Oil tanned items do have a potential for rotting, in the long run, because there hasn't actually been a chemical denaturing of the protein fibers, as you get with any of the chemical tanning methods. Regular chemical soaking methods can be used on the actual skin part of a bird-skin, witness ostrich leather used on some fancy boots and accessories. But any method that involves soaking in a liquid solution will tend to affect the feathers badly. (Getting blood on the feathers anywhere in the process also causes problems.) I'll also add a caution that even a processed bird skin may be overwhelmingly tempting to a cat who has had experience hunting (and therefore is familiar with bird smells). I had a cat "take out" one of my mounted specimens once. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 19:33:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19406 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:33:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GNO3a24951; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:24:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNO1O23969; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:24:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNNDO23734 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:23:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.18]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020316232311.BHEO22769.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:23:11 +0100 Message-ID: <3C93D37A.63915526@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] lecture Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:21:31 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I went to a lecture today that the danish textile history society "Tenen" had arranged. It was a lecture with dias show that textile conservator Else Østergård held about the royal burrials at Roskilde Cathedral. Else Østergård has written a book about it, wich some of you know. It is called "Fru Kirstens Børn" (Misses Kirsten's Children" There was some dias showed that never had ben shown to the public yeat of another burrial that came up at Roskilde, the same time as the royal Coiffins was examinated. Those dias'es showed the burrial of a little nobility girl. The pictures was very interresting as the lecture also. Else Østergård had shown the lecture to Janet Arnold also, and Janet Arnold could tell Else Østergård that the pearl embroiered "crown" at the childs head was an Elizabethan Cuff from a pair of gloves. They had some Pellicans embroidered on them. The childrens clothes had gold laces on, gold lace that is rekonstrukted so that it can be made today. A danish lady had made some rekonstruktions of them. Some of them had spangels worked to the points of the laces. (some of my students in Pennys Classroom who took the lace course, has seen them, and they have also had the patterns for the laces from me.) Else Østergård could not explain why the children was dressed in grown up clothes, they were dressed in knitted silk sweaters with metal thread, a very elaborate pattern. and some knitted silk stockings also with patterned metal lace. It is hard to imagine that they would not have had fine clothes for this purpose. Perhaps the clothes was recykled to the smaller children. Kirsten Munk had many children with the king.. I was very excited about this, and it was worth waiting for. The examination of the coiffins took place about 20 years ago. They had no idea that it would be such a fine find. The coiffins was going to be restored, and therefore they just wanted to write down details of the find. She also told us that it was because those coiffins had no seals in them, that they were permitted to open them. Coiffins with seals has strichly orders not to be examined. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 19:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19417 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:35:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GNR1a25165; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNR0O24755; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNQLO24622 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:26:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-121-93-modem.o1.com [66.81.121.93]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2GNSaR04690 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:28:36 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020316152418.04f609a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Fantasy In-Reply-To: <3C93CB28.31326834@gti.net> References: <000001c1cca1$9aa39fa0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:25:34 -0800 Status: RO I've got three ex-husbands, so I could do it three times, so far. But my recent ex is taking care of our two kids while I'm doing poverty, so maybe I keep him. >I hadn't before, but now you've given me an idea.... >But how does one orchestrate such a scenario? *sigh* >It'll never happen... >Deb R >>You know, like riding >>down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 19:59:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19526 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:59:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2GNp5a26246; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:51:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNp0O00692; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:51:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2GNopO00639 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:50:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16240 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:09:30 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Tapestry exhibit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:09:30 -0600 (CST) Status: RO The New York Times had a highly positive review this week of an exhibit called "Tapestry in the Renaissance: Art and Magnificence" at New York's Metropolitan Museum. It features 41 tapestries from the late 15th and the 16th centuries, including Flemish, Italian, and French, and the reviewer says they're all of top quality. I *think* the review was either March 11 or March 15 (someone else sent it to me, so I don't have the full info), so you might still find it on the Times website if you check fast, before it moves into archive. Included in the exhibit are several tapestries designed by Raphael and at least one by Bronzino. I have no idea how much of costume interest there is in the images for people working in the period, as certainly many of the scenes will be Biblical, Classical, or allegorical, but I'd guess there's something of use. And I personally find tapestries useful for adjusting my sense of period fabric colors, since I know I'm looking at dyes, not paints. The exhibit is open through June 19. I will certainly miss this one. If you get there, given them a wave for me. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Mar 16 23:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20203 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:05:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H2v1a03556; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H2u5O11968; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:56:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f194.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H2t7O11717 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 19:55:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:55:02 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.208 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:55:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.208] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Fantasy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2002 02:55:02.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[222CE7C0:01C1CD5F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 18:55:01 -0800 Status: RO I don't have any ex's, but I have two lovely daughters so I could use this concept over and over!! *cackles* I even know someone to borrow the horse from!! Jennifer >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Fantasy >Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:25:34 -0800 > >I've got three ex-husbands, so I could do it three times, so far. But my >recent ex is taking care of our two kids while I'm doing poverty, so maybe >I keep him. > >>I hadn't before, but now you've given me an idea.... >>But how does one orchestrate such a scenario? *sigh* >>It'll never happen... >>Deb R >>>You know, like riding >>>down your ex and whacking his head off with a sword? > > > > >Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( >/----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 00:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20424 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:11:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H42Wa06108; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H421O26265; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:02:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H41VO26135 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:01:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m151.in-tch.com [216.166.191.151]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2H3nU916396 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:49:30 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C94163B.60769153@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lecture References: <3C93D37A.63915526@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:06:19 -0700 Status: RO That sounds like it was a wonderful lecture, Bjarne. What time period did the children live in? --Sue Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi. > I went to a lecture today that the danish textile history society > "Tenen" had arranged. > It was a lecture with dias show that textile conservator Else Østergård > held about the royal burrials at Roskilde Cathedral. Else Østergård has > written a book about it, wich some of you know. It is called "Fru > Kirstens Børn" (Misses Kirsten's Children" There was some dias showed > that never had ben shown to the public yeat of another burrial that came > up at Roskilde, the same time as the royal Coiffins was examinated. > Those dias'es showed the burrial of a little nobility girl. > The pictures was very interresting as the lecture also. Else Østergård > had shown the lecture to Janet Arnold also, and Janet Arnold could tell > Else Østergård that the pearl embroiered "crown" at the childs head was > an Elizabethan Cuff from a pair of gloves. They had some Pellicans > embroidered on them. > The childrens clothes had gold laces on, gold lace that is rekonstrukted > so that it can be made today. A danish lady had made some > rekonstruktions of them. Some of them had spangels worked to the points > of the laces. (some of my students in Pennys Classroom who took the lace > course, has seen them, and they have also had the patterns for the laces > from me.) > Else Østergård could not explain why the children was dressed in grown > up clothes, they were dressed in knitted silk sweaters with metal > thread, a very elaborate pattern. and some knitted silk stockings also > with patterned metal lace. It is hard to imagine that they would not > have had fine clothes for this purpose. Perhaps the clothes was recykled > to the smaller children. Kirsten Munk had many children with the king.. > I was very excited about this, and it was worth waiting for. > The examination of the coiffins took place about 20 years ago. They had > no idea that it would be such a fine find. The coiffins was going to be > restored, and therefore they just wanted to write down details of the > find. > She also told us that it was because those coiffins had no seals in > them, that they were permitted to open them. Coiffins with seals has > strichly orders not to be examined. > > Bjarne > > -- > > Leif Drews > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > 1635 København V > > Bjarne Drews > Åboulevard 5,3.th > 1635 København V > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 00:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20430 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:12:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H443a06234; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:04:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H441O26708; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H42uO26497 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:02:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m151.in-tch.com [216.166.191.151]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2H3ot916591 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:50:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C941695.77204A71@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:07:49 -0700 Status: RO Shoot, Megan, if Bjarne ever makes it to your neck of the woods, I'd fly over to do the museum tours with you guys....we don't have anything, really, in my immediate locale. --Sue (in Montana) "Megan M." wrote: > > Penny, if Bjarne comes over give me plenty of notice and I'll drive down to > meet you both. I'm only in DC, but would love to do a museum tour with you > all. I promise not to "borrow" the fabric either. > -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 01:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20637 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H4xGa07928; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H4x1O07554; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe57.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H4wLO07399 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:58:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:58:15 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.28.68] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CD2D.4823C250" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2002 04:58:15.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[58DA5760:01C1CD70] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:58:11 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CD2D.4823C250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It'd be so cool to have a tour, like what Merouda did once, here at the H= enry Museum in Seattle at the University of Washington. =20 I'd sign on for it! Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Clemenger Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 8:29 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping Shoot, Megan, if Bjarne ever makes it to your neck of the woods, I'd fly over to do the museum tours with you guys....we don't have anything, really, in my immediate locale. --Sue (in Montana) "Megan M." wrote: > > Penny, if Bjarne comes over give me plenty of notice and I'll drive dow= n to > meet you both. I'm only in DC, but would love to do a museum tour with= you > all. I promise not to "borrow" the fabric either. > -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CD2D.4823C250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It'd be so coo= l to have a tour, like what Merouda did once, here at the Henry Museum in= Seattle at the University of Washington. 
 
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Shoot, Megan, if Bja= rne ever makes it to your neck of the woods, I'd fly
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> meet you both.  I'm only in DC, but would love to do = a museum tour with you
> all.  I promise not to "borrow" the f= abric either.
> -Megan
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CD2D.4823C250-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 02:24:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20827 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H6GEa10127; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:16:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H6G1O21390; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:16:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from red2.netwurx.net (red2.netwurx.net [209.242.224.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2H6FOO21265 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:15:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 17441 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 06:15:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO faucet.net) (209.242.235.246) by red2.netwurx.net with SMTP; 17 Mar 2002 06:15:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3C943478.A55FBB4A@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings References: <023601c1cbf8$831e1800$74dcdb42@jitters> <3C9226AD.21122.9463014@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:15:21 -0600 Status: RO kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > We do know that some women in this time period did wear undies. > They are discussed in some of the men's travel letters as being > shocking and that their (English) women wouldn't do such a thing. Where can I find these letters? Regards, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 02:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20863 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:42:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H6Y3a10711; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H6Y1O24648; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:34:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H6WwO24470 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:33:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p196.directcon.net [209.233.107.196]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11042; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:32:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020316220221.0082a720@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Period "Peasant Bodice" and fitting larger women In-Reply-To: <006b01c1cd2f$54e5fc40$2dd9fea9@com> References: <6159DACBB5C25F745BD469CCBBD33D36@Kimberly.Antiquarum.zzn.com> <009701c1cb85$9a346b20$2dd9fea9@com> <3C917208.45C0741@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:02:21 -0800 Status: RO > >Okay, ya got me. I think the largest Elizabethan-style I've fitted was a >40FF. I once made an Elizabethan corset for a woman with a 76 inch bust. It looked fairly good, but she complained that it wasn't comfortable. Imagine that. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 05:32:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21645 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:32:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H9OAa15099; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H9O1O22570; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:24:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H9NgO22518 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:23:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020317092336.BTOS10840.lakemtao04.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:23:36 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) Message-ID: <000201c1cd7f$d60ecf40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2H9NgO22518 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:49:04 -0500 Status: RO Well, Penny, it looks like the ball’s in your court! I think it’s time for a “Behind the Scenes” tour of the Valentine! Richmond has so much fun stuff to do, I think you should make it a weekend event. Hmm, there’s the Valentine, the Museum of the Confederacy, EA Poe, the Fine Arts Museum, ….what else am I forgetting? The restaurants and night life aren't too shabby either! And of course, Williamsburg is only about 45 minutes away, so we'll HAVE to go there too! Linda -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Gia Gavino It'd be so cool to have a tour, like what Merouda did once, here at the Henry Museum in Seattle at the University of Washington.  I'd sign on for it! Gia From: Sue Clemenger Shoot, Megan, if Bjarne ever makes it to your neck of the woods, I'd fly over to do the museum tours with you guys....we don't have anything, really, in my immediate locale. --Sue (in Montana) "Megan M." wrote: > > Penny, if Bjarne comes over give me plenty of notice and I'll drive down to > meet you both.  I'm only in DC, but would love to do a museum tour with you > all.  I promise not to "borrow" the fabric either. > -Megan _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 05:46:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21688 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 05:46:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2H9b6a15355; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:37:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H9b1O24550; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:37:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2H9aVO24458 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:36:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([195.215.190.189]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020317093629.EVAA26334.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: <3C946338.E007DF91@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] lecture References: <3C93D37A.63915526@post12.tele.dk> <3C94163B.60769153@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:34:48 +0100 Status: RO Hello. Oh yes i forgot to tell about the year. The first girl died in 1627, the second boy in 1629 ( i think) Sorry about that. Bjarne Sue Clemenger wrote: > That sounds like it was a wonderful lecture, Bjarne. What time period > did the children live in? > --Sue > > Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Hi. > > I went to a lecture today that the danish textile history society > > "Tenen" had arranged. > > It was a lecture with dias show that textile conservator Else Østergård > > held about the royal burrials at Roskilde Cathedral. Else Østergård has > > written a book about it, wich some of you know. It is called "Fru > > Kirstens Børn" (Misses Kirsten's Children" There was some dias showed > > that never had ben shown to the public yeat of another burrial that came > > up at Roskilde, the same time as the royal Coiffins was examinated. > > Those dias'es showed the burrial of a little nobility girl. > > The pictures was very interresting as the lecture also. Else Østergård > > had shown the lecture to Janet Arnold also, and Janet Arnold could tell > > Else Østergård that the pearl embroiered "crown" at the childs head was > > an Elizabethan Cuff from a pair of gloves. They had some Pellicans > > embroidered on them. > > The childrens clothes had gold laces on, gold lace that is rekonstrukted > > so that it can be made today. A danish lady had made some > > rekonstruktions of them. Some of them had spangels worked to the points > > of the laces. (some of my students in Pennys Classroom who took the lace > > course, has seen them, and they have also had the patterns for the laces > > from me.) > > Else Østergård could not explain why the children was dressed in grown > > up clothes, they were dressed in knitted silk sweaters with metal > > thread, a very elaborate pattern. and some knitted silk stockings also > > with patterned metal lace. It is hard to imagine that they would not > > have had fine clothes for this purpose. Perhaps the clothes was recykled > > to the smaller children. Kirsten Munk had many children with the king.. > > I was very excited about this, and it was worth waiting for. > > The examination of the coiffins took place about 20 years ago. They had > > no idea that it would be such a fine find. The coiffins was going to be > > restored, and therefore they just wanted to write down details of the > > find. > > She also told us that it was because those coiffins had no seals in > > them, that they were permitted to open them. Coiffins with seals has > > strichly orders not to be examined. > > > > Bjarne > > > > -- > > > > Leif Drews > > Åboulevard 5, 3 th > > 1635 København V > > > > Bjarne Drews > > Åboulevard 5,3.th > > 1635 København V > > > > tlf. 35 37 13 70 > > > > My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > > > Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph > > > > Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 06:50:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21898 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:50:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HAg3a16678; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:42:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HAg1O19435; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from c016.snv.cp.net (c016-h020.c016.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.170]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2HAf0O19266 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (cpmta 25457 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2002 02:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20020317104054.25456.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Mar 2002 10:40:54 GMT Received: from [212.54.20.129] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 17 Mar 2002 02:40:54 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: riina vuokko X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.11 X-Sent-From: riina@altavista.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: 17 Mar 2002 02:40:54 -0800 Status: RO > Was it online Newsweek or a non-US edition? They often change things like > measurements to metric when they provide content to non-US customers. > > If it was a US edition, I'm stumped. Maybe an editor just missed it. > > Susan Sorry I can't check now, but yes, it might have been an international edition as I was reading it here in Finland. I never noticed any other metric measurements though, but then I never thought of it. Riina > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 09:25:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26361 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:25:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HDH4a19556; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:17:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HDH1O13574; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepA.post.tele.dk (fepA.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HDFxO13391 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:16:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.224]) by fepA.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020317131557.FEXP1822.fepA.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:15:57 +0100 Message-ID: <3C9496A8.9DC67A1F@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] VA Museum Tour Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:14:16 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I would love to come, it would be wonderfull. Maybe some day.......... Remember, if any of h-costume members ever comes to Copenhagen, let me know and i would love to show you arround to the Museum goodies. It would be wonderfull to have good company with someone who really apreciates same things as i do.......... Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 10:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26494 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:05:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HDv6a20484; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:57:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HDv1O20623; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:57:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HDuIO20468 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 06:56:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16mb90-000128-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 08:56:18 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c1cd7f$d60ecf40$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:00:49 -0500 Status: RO Well, of course, we should do this tour IN COSTUME, right? -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Linda Rice Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:49 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) Well, Penny, it looks like the ball’s in your court! I think it’s time for a “Behind the Scenes” tour of the Valentine! Richmond has so much fun stuff to do, I think you should make it a weekend event. Hmm, there’s the Valentine, the Museum of the Confederacy, EA Poe, the Fine Arts Museum, ….what else am I forgetting? The restaurants and night life aren't too shabby either! And of course, Williamsburg is only about 45 minutes away, so we'll HAVE to go there too! Linda -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Gia Gavino It'd be so cool to have a tour, like what Merouda did once, here at the Henry Museum in Seattle at the University of Washington.  I'd sign on for it! Gia From: Sue Clemenger Shoot, Megan, if Bjarne ever makes it to your neck of the woods, I'd fly over to do the museum tours with you guys....we don't have anything, really, in my immediate locale. --Sue (in Montana) "Megan M." wrote: > > Penny, if Bjarne comes over give me plenty of notice and I'll drive down to > meet you both.  I'm only in DC, but would love to do a museum tour with you > all.  I promise not to "borrow" the fabric either. > -Megan _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 12:41:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26994 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:41:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HGX7a25616; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:33:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HGX1O21641; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HGWRO21550 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:32:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2HGKQ902253 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:20:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C94C63B.3A8449D7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Linda Rice/ shopping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:37:15 -0700 Status: RO Yeah, that was a cool tour--I got to go on it during KWAS. Those cut and voided velvets--oooh, drool city . --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 12:49:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27048 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:49:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HGfBa25982; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:41:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HGf0O23729; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:41:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HGeBO23519 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:40:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2HGS9903724 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:28:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C94C80A.266929E7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:44:58 -0700 Status: RO I dunno, Megan....it'd be kinda hard to get mine into luggage . Would be loads of fun to see the different costumes people would choose to wear, though, since we "cover" so many different centuries. --Sue, struck with this very bizarre image of trying to explain to the nice security people that all that metal in her corset is safe, really it is....[hmmm...yet another reason to make some stays with natural materials ] "Megan M." wrote: > > Well, of course, we should do this tour IN COSTUME, right? > -Megan > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Linda Rice > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:49 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) > > Well, Penny, it looks like the ball’s in your court! I think it’s time > for a “Behind the Scenes” tour of the Valentine! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 13:02:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27130 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:02:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HGsfa26525; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:54:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HGr3O26214; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:53:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HGptO25977 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:52:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19262 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:10:38 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) In-Reply-To: <3C94C80A.266929E7@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:10:38 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > --Sue, struck with this very bizarre image of trying to explain to the > nice security people that all that metal in her corset is safe, really > it is....[hmmm...yet another reason to make some stays with natural > materials ] A Spanish farthingale, collapsed and twisted double on itself, fits nicely into a suitcase, and under the X-ray looks like so much spaghetti... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 13:14:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27192 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:14:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HH69a27033; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:06:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HH62O28966; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:06:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe28.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HH55O28785 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:05:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:04:59 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.28.118] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CD92.CC3E2A70" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Mar 2002 17:04:59.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF149240:01C1CDD5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:04:51 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CD92.CC3E2A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Suddenly I get visions of the proverbial can of worms, springing out at t= he security gate, as an unsuspecting guard opens the suitcase... LOL!!!! I do like the idea of going in costume, but I'm more intrigued about gett= ing as much research as I can possible squeeze into the time there. Mayb= e we could have a nice dinner out in costume? =20 Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 8:58 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) A Spanish farthingale, collapsed and twisted double on itself, fits nicel= y into a suitcase, and under the X-ray looks like so much spaghetti... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CD92.CC3E2A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Suddenly I get= visions of the proverbial can of worms, springing out at the security ga= te, as an unsuspecting guard opens the suitcase...
LOL!!!!
 
I do like the idea of going in costume, but I'm= more intrigued about getting as much research as I can possible squeeze = into the time there.  Maybe we could have a nice dinner out in costu= me?
 
Gia/Giacinta
 
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A Spanish farthing= ale, collapsed and twisted double on itself, fits nicely
into a suitca= se, and under the X-ray looks like so much spaghetti...

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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CD92.CC3E2A70-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 14:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27498 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HIBGa00682; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:11:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HIB1O14079; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:11:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HIAWO13978 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:10:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m188.in-tch.com [216.166.191.188]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2HHv5920342 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:57:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C94DCE6.F9EC01D2@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:13:58 -0700 Status: RO Yet another reason to stick to things like fitted gowns and ItalianRen stuff, I suspect..... --Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her carryon luggage for her embroidery projects [yes, I know I could put them in my checked luggage, but a girl's gotta have *something* to work on when she flies all the way across the U.S. and _then_ the Atlantic Ocean ] Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > --Sue, struck with this very bizarre image of trying to explain to the > > nice security people that all that metal in her corset is safe, really > > it is....[hmmm...yet another reason to make some stays with natural > > materials ] > > A Spanish farthingale, collapsed and twisted double on itself, fits nicely > into a suitcase, and under the X-ray looks like so much spaghetti... > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 15:59:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28011 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:59:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HJp3a05549; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:51:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HJp1O07326; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:51:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HJoiO07281 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:50:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16mgfz-000O6B-0K for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:50:43 +0000 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers References: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <3C911F1B.8A8F1382@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:49:23 +0000 Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote >What do they call a yardstick in England, Canada, and Australia? A >meter stick? > >Do they sell anything corresponding to a 12-inch "foot" ruler, and >what is it called? Do they sell 6-inch rulers and if so what do they >call them? > >In the US measuring tools for sewing often come marked with both >English and metric units (one system on each edge of the tool). Is >that true in countries that only use the metric system? > >Do they sell dotted pattern-drafting paper with a metric grid instead >of an inch grid, and what unit/size grid is used (1 cm seems small to >me)? How about that gridded interfacing type stuff you can use for >copying patterns from clothes? > >Do most sewers in these countries still understand the English system, >or only a few? > >Thanks for any enlightenment, > >Fran Everyone I know tends to use what comes to a handy number. They started teaching metric in schools about my time (I'm 33), but you learn to sew and cook (and do woodwork) from your parents, so we're still in generations that think in Imperial measurements. Most measuring instruments still come in both. I and my husband are quite happy to measure something as "4 inches by 1.5 cm". A local timber (lumber) merchants advertises that their staff are happy to deal with customers who come in with those sort of requirements. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 18:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29043 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:10:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HM2Ia11578; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:02:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HM22O08216; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:02:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HM1AO07998 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:01:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mmx233 (async21-13.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.109.21]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AER04587; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:00:49 GMT Message-ID: <002101c1cdfd$b4f10980$383efea9@mmx233> From: "Ruth Bean" To: References: <200203170302.g2H32WO13428@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1CDFD.1B805620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Underthings (FABRICHOARDER@aol.com) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:45:51 -0000 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1CDFD.1B805620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: FABRICHOARDER@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:14:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings To: h-costume@indra.com Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com --part1_181.530dd03.29c4f3ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Needlework of Mary Queen of Scots Author: Margaret Swain Copyright: 1973 Publisher: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, Inc. ISBN: 0-442-29962-1 On page 46, the author notes Mary had a "pair of drawers (calsons)" sent = to=20 Lochleven during her captivity. Ramona Ramona's reference should read 'page 56' for both the current Ruth Bean = edition and the earlier 1973 edition (out of print since the early = 1980s). Nigel Ruth Bean Publishers Victoria Farmhouse Carlton, Bedford MK43 7LP England Tel: 44-1234-720356 Fx: 44-1234-720590 E-mail: ruthbean@onetel.net.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1CDFD.1B805620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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On page 46, the = author=20 notes Mary had a "pair of drawers (calsons)" sent to
Lochleven = during her=20 captivity.

Ramona
Ramona's reference should read 'page 56' for both = the current=20 Ruth Bean edition and the earlier 1973 edition (out of print since the = early=20 1980s).
 
Nigel
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1CDFD.1B805620-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 18:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29074 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HMA2a11933; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:10:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HMA0O09945; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:10:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HM95O09717 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:09:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2112.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.112]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24076 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:09:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3C951278.128AB40@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Underthings References: <181.530dd03.29c4f3ac@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6D50C2D4353928114AE57119" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:02:32 -0500 Status: RO --------------6D50C2D4353928114AE57119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I looked at my Ruth Bean copy and the reference wasn't on pg 46 as it was in the 1973 edition. Any idea where it is in the 1986 edition? Mike T. > On page 46, the author notes Mary had a "pair of drawers (calsons)" > sent to Lochleven during her captivity. > > Ramona --------------6D50C2D4353928114AE57119 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. I looked at my Ruth Bean copy and the reference wasn't on pg 46 as it was in the 1973 edition. Any idea where it is in the 1986 edition?  Mike T.
 
On page 46, the author notes Mary had a "pair of drawers (calsons)" sent to Lochleven during her captivity.

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--------------6D50C2D4353928114AE57119-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 18:26:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29112 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:26:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HMI7a12353; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:18:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HMI1O11869; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:18:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HMHNO11699 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:17:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from 56k-lnk-5.radiks.net ([206.29.243.7] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16mixs-0002VV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:17:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020317161206.02c18dc0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200203171903.g2HJ3LO26211@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:16:04 -0600 Status: RO Sue, I think someone has mentioned the circular thingy from Clotilde that is a thread cutter, but no sharp edges. Also, I got a set of needle threaders at Joann's (in the quilting notions area) and these threaders have built in thread cutters on them (a notch with a tiny edge at the bottom). The threaders are mostly plastic, just the tiny wires for threading and the less than 1 mm thread cutter are metal. Sandy >--Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her >carryon luggage for her embroidery projects [yes, I know I could put >them in my checked luggage, but a girl's gotta have *something* to work >on when she flies all the way across the U.S. and _then_ the Atlantic >Ocean ] "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 18:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29195 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 18:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2HMWMa13027; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:32:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HMV3O14827; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from out020.verizon.net (out020pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2HMUbO14731 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:30:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from default ([151.199.136.234]) by out020.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020317223035.JGAW18010.out020.verizon.net@default> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:30:35 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020317223057.0070b0fc@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2HMUbO14731 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:30:57 -0500 Status: RO At 01:49 AM 3/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >Well, Penny, it looks like the ball’s in your court! I think it’s time >for a “Behind the Scenes” tour of the Valentine! Richmond has so much >fun stuff to do, I think you should make it a weekend event. Hmm, >there’s the Valentine, the Museum of the Confederacy, EA Poe, the Fine >Arts Museum, ….what else am I forgetting? The restaurants and night >life aren't too shabby either! And of course, Williamsburg is only >about 45 minutes away, so we'll HAVE to go there too! > >Linda > I could work out a "behind the Scenes" at Williamsburg, if there was an interest. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Mar 17 20:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29651 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:23:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2I0FJa18215; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:15:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I0F2O09845; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:15:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I0EWO09687 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:14:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.10.161.53]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020318001421.XBUU20183.lakemtao01.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:14:21 -0500 From: "Linda Rice" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) Message-ID: <000801c1cdf9$62b73850$6401a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020317223057.0070b0fc@mail.verizon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:19:07 -0500 Status: RO Oh Yeah!! Just name the time and meeting place, and I'll be there! Thanks! Linda Virginia Beach, Va. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ron Carnegie Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) I could work out a "behind the Scenes" at Williamsburg, if there was an interest. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 01:23:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30870 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:23:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2I5F9a03510; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I5F2O22208; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.garbersoft.net ([63.150.225.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I5E6O22006 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:14:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from mantua (0-1pool45-203.nas4.stockton1.ca.us.da.qwest.net [65.139.45.203]) by smtp.garbersoft.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 431B97FF4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:15:19 +0000 (UCT) Message-ID: <001d01c1ce3c$4d87f580$4b2c8b41@mantua> From: "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" To: References: <200203171903.g2HJ3LO26211@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:14:10 -0800 Status: RO > --Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her > carryon luggage for her embroidery projects ... Clothilda sells a Thread Cutter Pendant by Clover that looks like a necklace medallion. It arrived after my trip, so I didn't get to try it on the plane, but they advertise it as security safe. I took a rope Spanish Farthingale and a corset boned with bamboo skewers and two 1/2" bones to Australia last month, and security didn't pester me - about that. They stressed over my nail clippers, but those didn't have a file, so they let me keep them. Nail clippers make passable thread cutters. btw, the Aussies have some brilliant costumers, and put on a fun CostumeCon. I hope they can make CostumeCon next year. Deb The Mantua-Maker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 01:40:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30938 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:40:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2I5VBa03959; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I5V1O25648; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:31:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I5TxO25399 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:30:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020318052953.YFHA1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:29:53 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020317232318.02c8ddf0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <3C938C6E.4066DC3A@bigpond.com> References: <20020315152014.5757.cpmta@c016.snv.cp.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315103101.01b93910@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20020315131545.01b159f0@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:23:56 -0600 Status: RO At 10:18 AM 3/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: > > >Yes, but much harder to pace off across the floor when getting rough > > >dimensions... :) > > > > Depends on the size of your feet! I know men who have foot-long > > feet, but lots of women might well be no closer to a foot than > > a decimeter. > > > > > >True - my feet are 8" long at best, but my handspan is almost exactly 20cm >which is very handy (pun intended) :-P >Claire I've just discovered that my feet are 10" long. Hm. That could be pretty useful... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 02:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11132 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:10:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2I628a04949; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:02:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I621O01678; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:02:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from costumegallery.com (wsip66-210-221-206.pn.at.cox.net [66.210.221.206]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I60vO01505 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from cc261386a [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A29C38A01A6; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:01:00 -0600 Message-ID: <00a101c1ce42$1e12da80$0300a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <2.2.32.20020317223057.0070b0fc@mail.verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:59:49 -0500 Status: RO I'm not ignoring ya'll... I have the flu. I will get back with you when I am better. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by plugit.com] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 02:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26942 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:27:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2I6JLa05576; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I6JJO05532; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:19:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I6IXO05367 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2I66V913574 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:06:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C9587DD.BD693E68@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes. References: <200203171903.g2HJ3LO26211@net.indra.com> <001d01c1ce3c$4d87f580$4b2c8b41@mantua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:23:25 -0700 Status: RO A couple of people have recommended the thread cutters you're talking about, and I've actually seen them for sale locally. My problem is, my primary form of embroidery is itsy-bitsy blackwork, and for that, I need my very sharp little embroidery scissors I spent *way* too much money on. I'd love to make it to a Costume Con. They sound like loads of fun. Can't make much this year, but maybe 2003.....heck, by then, maybe I'll actually have something done enough to wear..... --Sue "Deb Salisbury, the Mantua-Maker" wrote: > > > --Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her > > carryon luggage for her embroidery projects ... > > Clothilda sells a Thread Cutter Pendant by Clover that looks like a > necklace medallion. It arrived after my trip, so I didn't get to try > it on the plane, but they advertise it as security safe. > > I took a rope Spanish Farthingale and a corset boned with bamboo > skewers and two 1/2" bones to Australia last month, and security > didn't pester me - about that. They stressed over my nail clippers, > but those didn't have a file, so they let me keep them. Nail clippers > make passable thread cutters. > > btw, the Aussies have some brilliant costumers, and put on a fun > CostumeCon. I hope they can make CostumeCon next year. > Deb > The Mantua-Maker > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 03:02:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27066 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:02:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2I6s4a06540; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:54:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I6s1O12116; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2I6rlO12065 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:53:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqHH7eXIzwo4kiXjy6QX0g5Sh8FOS/kcVA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GV6SE9BU; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:53:09 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes. Message-ID: <20020318.005202.-442545.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-11,13-16 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:52:02 -0600 Status: RO Yet another shameless commercial plug for CostumeCon 21 in 2003- Yes, please come!!! You have over a year to make those totally fabulous outfits you've been planning for years.......Oh and if anyone has any ideas for panels or workshops you'd like to attend/be part of, please let me know! Karen Bergquist Programming Chair CC21 On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:23:25 -0700 Sue Clemenger writes: > I'd love to make it to a Costume Con. They sound like loads of fun. > Can't make much this year, but maybe 2003.....heck, by then, maybe > I'll actually have something done enough to wear..... > --Sue ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 08:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28028 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:03:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IBt4a14783; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:55:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IBt0O20920; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IBsaO20855 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:54:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFI73OAPW000WO22@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:56:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFI73L236400XFON@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:56:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:49:43 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:49:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:49:19 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-reply-to: <200203151905.g2FJ5dO08485@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6E6F2337259@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:49:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > But, at least in Sweden, it's common to use an intermediate unit: the > hectogram: 100 grams, which is a perfectly useful and convenient size. > I think the claim of superior usefulness for Imperial measures is > just nonsensical, and a matter of what you're used to. > Nice sized is a matter of personal preference. A decimeter is a > perfectly "nice sized" unit, too. Hectogram I'd heard of but had no idea what it is (or, for that matter, any concept of how much 100grams is in terms of how much something real wouod weigh) Decimeter is completely new to me and sounds like something made-up for use on a low-budget SF show.... Teddy (grew up with the metric system taught in school and still can't use it - yards, feet and inches are *real* measurements I can think, calculate *and* guesstimate in) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 08:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28038 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:06:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IBx1a14864; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:59:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IBx0O21632; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:59:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IBwYO21564 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:58:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFI78N0OJK00XQQW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:00:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFI78LOFSU00VXGI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:53:46 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:53:09 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:53:08 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-reply-to: <200203151905.g2FJ5dO08485@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6E7021131C3@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:53:08 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Okay now I know this is really silly, but I just thought it might > be fun to ask. Does anyone else fantasize about doing things in > their costumes (finished, planned or also just dreamed about)? You > know, like riding down your ex and whacking his head off with a > sword? Turning up to a school reunion and fraking all the small minded, small-town bastards I grew up with! Teddy (who will get the opportunity to do something similar in May when there's actually a re-enactment event in his home town... never thought he'd see the day) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 10:18:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28637 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:18:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IEAua19821; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:10:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IEA0O18185; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:10:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IE9EO17981 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:09:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m253.in-tch.com [216.166.191.253]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2IDvB918890 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:57:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C95F62F.E5F097B6@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes. References: <20020318.005202.-442545.5.Seamstrix@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:14:07 -0700 Status: RO So where _is_ CostumeCon 21 being held? And when? --Sue, slow on Monday mornings seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > Yet another shameless commercial plug for CostumeCon 21 in 2003- Yes, > please come!!! You have over a year to make those totally fabulous > outfits you've been planning for years.......Oh and if anyone has any > ideas for panels or workshops you'd like to attend/be part of, please let > me know! > > Karen Bergquist > Programming Chair CC21 > > On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:23:25 -0700 Sue Clemenger > writes: > > I'd love to make it to a Costume Con. They sound like loads of fun. > > Can't make much this year, but maybe 2003.....heck, by then, maybe > > I'll actually have something done enough to wear..... > > --Sue > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28886 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:17:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IF9aa24108; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:09:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IF92700961; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:09:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IF8O700481 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:08:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqHH7eXIzwo4LTYjpfV6o7ZUskfJCZkA2g=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GV7NQL94; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:07:36 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20020318.090554.-585181.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8 From: seamstrix@juno.com Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 21 Welcomes You! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:05:54 -0600 Status: RO Hehehehe.....I thought folks on the list would be fed up with hearing me plug the con already! Here's the link to our site. CostumeCon 21 is here in beautiful, exotic Chicago, Illinois USA! Karen http://www.jennifarse.com/cc2003/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:26:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28911 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:26:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IFI2a25103; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:18:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFI0705437; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:18:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFH9705075 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:17:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p226.directcon.net [209.233.107.226]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA20197; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:07:44 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020318063010.00830a70@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: <6E7021131C3@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200203151905.g2FJ5dO08485@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 06:30:10 -0800 Status: RO > >Turning up to a school reunion and fraking all the small minded, >small-town bastards I grew up with! > >Teddy >(who will get the opportunity to do something similar in May when >there's actually a re-enactment event in his home town... never >thought he'd see the day) Ooh, parallel lives, Teddy! In May there's going to be a Ren Faire in my home town. It should be interesting, even if I am going to hear "I remember you, you were the one with the cape!" about nine gazillion times. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:27:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28917 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:27:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IFJ2a25243; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:19:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFJ1705976; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:19:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.mysticaquarium.org ([209.113.196.245]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFIn705848 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:18:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:57:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3179E88223C9D31181BC00C04F800BF97DF7EF@EXCHANGE> From: lmcdonough@ife.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Corded Body & Hemp & Fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:56:55 -0500 Status: RO Hello all! I have really enjoyed your fantasies! Mine always involve a Scotsman or Viking, for some reason ... Could someone please send me the URL for the corded body photos, and references as to where to purchase the 1/4" hemp cord? Also, there are a few fabric links on sewing.com - one is trimfabric.com This site sells fabrics by the bolt at great prices ($2-3 yard) as well as end cuts. Worth a look. Thanks! Laurie Mystic Aquarium & Institute for Exploration's mission is to inspire people everywhere to care about and protect our oceans by exploring and sharing their biological, ecological and cultural treasures. The not-for-profit Mystic Aquarium & Institute for Exploration are divisions of Sea Research Foundation, Inc. ------------------------------------------------ LEGAL NOTICE: Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. 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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:24:36 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Sue, I think someone has mentioned the circular thingy from Clotilde > that is a thread cutter, but no sharp edges. Also, I got a set of > needle threaders at Joann's (in the quilting notions area) and these > threaders have built in thread cutters on them (a notch with a tiny > edge at the bottom). The threaders are mostly plastic, just the tiny > wires for threading and the less than 1 mm thread cutter are metal. > > Sandy > > >--Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her > >carryon luggage for her embroidery projects [yes, I know I could put > >them in my checked luggage, but a girl's gotta have *something* to > >work on when she flies all the way across the U.S. and _then_ the > >Atlantic Ocean ] But, from what I hear, you won't be allowed to take the *needles* on as cary-on so having the thread cutter will bve pretty useless Teddy (still boggled that a friend who returned to CA from London in February had her *shoes* confiscated and destroyed because they had a bit of English mud on them.... and she wasn't even compensated for the loss of the shoes. If it had been me there they'd have had an international incident in their airport! In my book that's *theft*.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28981 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:38:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IFV1a26635; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:31:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFV0711984; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:31:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFUB711612 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:30:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.157]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020318153007.QHPP22769.fepC.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:30:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3C960798.4900511E@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] things you fantasize to do in costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:24 +0100 Status: RO Hello. My fantasy is not very peculiar. The danish lace guild is having a lace day in august. I have made arrangements with Castle Selsoe to come fully dressed in my (hopefully finished embroidered costume) and demonstrate lace making. I am travelling with train and bus, so i definately will not be dressed, but i change at the castle. Not 10 wild horses would make me travel in bus and train dressed like an 18th. century gentleman. I simply lack the nervs to do such a thing. When i was going to a ball at Stockholm last autumn, they suggested me to take the bus fully dressed. Well the other members do that, but i wouldnt have the nerve to do such a thing, a public bus? Gues i am very shy, but......... They said that people in Stockholm is used to se the members dressed in costume.. Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:41:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29000 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:41:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IFX2a26821; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:33:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFX1712922; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:33:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFWQ712687 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:32:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFIEPWTK4W00X5U1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFIEPVP50400PV35@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:27:44 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:26:57 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:26:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-reply-to: <200203181519.g2IFJa706259@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6EA924F7127@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy (same size feet as Danielle) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:44:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29012 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:44:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IFb1a27178; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:37:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFb0714741; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:37:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFaS714494 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:36:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFIEUV96SG00XHUT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFIEUSNQA200TLZW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:38:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:31:42 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:31:17 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.87) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:31:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-reply-to: <200203181519.g2IFJa706259@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6EAA4CE131E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:31:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >Turning up to a school reunion and freaking all the small minded, > >small-town bastards I grew up with! > > > >Teddy > >(who will get the opportunity to do something similar in May when > >there's actually a re-enactment event in his home town... never > >thought he'd see the day) > > > Ooh, parallel lives, Teddy! In May there's going to be a Ren Faire in > my home town. It should be interesting, even if I am going to hear "I > remember you, you were the one with the cape!" about nine gazillion > times. > > Margo Go for it Margo! Perhaps you can run a book on how many times they'll say it to you and award yourself a "reward" if you guess right.... Teddy (they're going to be using the school field of my old school as camping space!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 11:57:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29076 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:57:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IFn3a28418; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:49:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFn1721235; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IFme721035 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:48:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03581 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:07:03 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: <6EAA4CE131E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:07:03 -0600 (CST) Status: RO There's a Suzanne Vega song that feels like a costume fantasy to me, even though there's only a hint of actual costume-related lyric, mostly in the opening lines: If I had met you on some journey, where would we be now? If we had met on some eastbound train, through some dark sleeping town? Would you have worn your silken robes all made of royal blue? Would I have dressed in smoke and fire, for you to see through? Something about that image makes me want to put on something 1920-ish in fluttery layers of red and black silk organza with silvery beaded trims, and a mysterious hat loaded with black net veiling, and get on a train. Trouble is, it's the wrong century for luxury train travel, and I no longer have the figure for that type of clothing... And I don't even do costumes from any period consistent with trains! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 12:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29279 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:33:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IGP2a02512; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:25:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IGP1709758; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:25:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IGOp709636 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:24:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16mzwI-0002s9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:24:51 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000801c1ce98$752fc3e0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Straw hat blanks? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:17:53 -0700 Status: RO I am looking for a supplier of straw hat blanks for a class I will be teaching. Ideally they would have a very low crown (~1 inch tall) about 5 inches in diameter with at least an 18 inch brim. I have seen some Italian ones that are very finely woven, soft and pliable. Any ideas? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 12:42:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29351 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:42:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IGY3a03709; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IGY1715309; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g2IGXeV15076 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:33:40 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Straw hat blanks? Message-ID: <20020318093340.B10429@net.indra.com> References: <000801c1ce98$752fc3e0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c1ce98$752fc3e0$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:33:40 -0700 Status: RO If you're familiar with the company "Hat Matters", they seem to have a lot of nice stuff. They're always at Pennsic and other costume-related events, but you can also reach them by email at hatmatter@aol.com (note the lack of the 's' on matter in the email address). If they have the item in stock, you can send them a check and they'll ship it to you. One caveat - they're on the road a lot, so things take longer than you're used to if they're away and not reading email. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 12:44:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29384 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IGa1a03880; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IGa1716383; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2IGZb716188 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:35:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203181635.g2IGZb716188@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 31096 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 16:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 16:35:32 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Straw hat blanks? From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:35:32 GMT Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote : > I am looking for a supplier of straw hat blanks for a class I will be > teaching. Ideally they would have a very low crown (~1 inch tall) about > 5 inches in diameter with at least an 18 inch brim Bad timing here: I saw something just like that at Blackbird Leys yesterday. But I wasn't interested, so I don't remember which supplier was selling them :( List of traders at Blackbird Leys can be found here: http://www.montacute.net/reenactors/traders.htm but I'm afraid that's rather a long list. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 13:09:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29707 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:09:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IH1fa06957; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:01:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IH1c702531; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:01:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IH03701492 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.140] (as3-4-154.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.140]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2IH01601990 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:00:01 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6EA88621A19@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <6EA88621A19@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:55:51 -0800 Status: RO At 3:24 PM +0000 3/18/02, Teddy wrote: >(still boggled that a friend who returned to CA from London in >February had her *shoes* confiscated and destroyed because they >had a bit of English mud on them.... and she wasn't even >compensated for the loss of the shoes. If it had been me there >they'd have had an international incident in their airport! In my book >that's *theft*.) (I'm interpreting "CA" here as California, although on reflection I suppose it could be Canada.) I can see the situation from your point of view -- on the other hand, by law, "smuggling" foreign soil into the US is illegal (for good and valid reasons) and was even before the current hoof-and-mouth flap, so it could also be viewed as confiscating the instrument of an illegal act. California is pretty fanatic about protecting our agricultural economy -- it's illegal for ordinary people to bring soil into California from another _state_ of the US (or to bring in fresh fruit, for that matter). People are responsible for knowing these things. So, from the individual point of view, confiscating and destroying shoes because they have potentially infected mud on them seems extreme, but from the larger point of view, you're balancing it against vast sums in crop/livestock losses and eradication programs. (We've been there and done that with the Mediterranean fruit fly, and we're currently doing that with the glassy-winged sharpshooter. I'd just as soon give hoof-and-mouth a miss.) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 13:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29804 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:38:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IHU4a10544; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:30:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IHU1720328; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from artemis.directcon.net (artemis.directcon.net [206.170.184.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IHTU719908 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:29:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p199.directcon.net [209.233.107.199]) by artemis.directcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04763; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:29:20 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020318085101.00833450@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: References: <6EAA4CE131E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:51:01 -0800 Status: RO > >Something about that image makes me want to put on something 1920-ish in >fluttery layers of red and black silk organza with silvery beaded trims, >and a mysterious hat loaded with black net veiling, and get on a train. >Trouble is, it's the wrong century for luxury train travel, I believe the Orient Express is now running as a themed costume event, at least on occasion. My sister the 1930's chantuese has been trying to get the piano bar gig on it for some time. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 13:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29865 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:54:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IHj9a13209; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:45:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IHj2700350; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:45:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IHib729954 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.14e.aa33fe6 (3699) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:44:28 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.aa33fe6.29c7817c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Straw hat blanks? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14e.aa33fe6.29c7817c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:44:28 EST Status: RO --part1_14e.aa33fe6.29c7817c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/2002 11:36:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, jane@williams.nildram.co.uk writes: > > I am looking for a supplier of straw hat blanks for a class I will be > > teaching. Ideally they would have a very low crown (~1 inch tall) about > > 5 inches in diameter with at least an 18 inch brim > Hatcrafters is a great company that makes all kinds of hats for theatre and such. "Hatcrafters" is the felt form department but they have another division that does straw.....I just can't remember what it's called. Call Hatcrafters in PA at {610}623-2620 and ask how to get their straw hats. They are very nice and helpful people who want to give you what you want. They may even give you some kind of discount for bulk orders or educational stuff. --part1_14e.aa33fe6.29c7817c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/2002 11:36:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, jane@williams.nildram.co.uk writes:


> I am looking for a supplier of straw hat blanks for a class I will be
> teaching.  Ideally they would have a very low crown (~1 inch tall) about
> 5 inches in diameter with at least an 18 inch brim


Hatcrafters is a great company that makes all kinds of hats for theatre and such. "Hatcrafters" is the felt form department but they have another division that does straw.....I just can't remember what it's called. Call Hatcrafters in PA at {610}623-2620 and ask how to get their straw hats. They are very nice and helpful people who want to give you what you want. They may even give you some kind of discount for bulk orders or educational stuff. --part1_14e.aa33fe6.29c7817c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 14:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29917 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:10:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2II21a15380; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:02:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2II20711750; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:02:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2II1G711235 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.f7.180e2510 (2171) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:01:09 -0500 (EST) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Subject: [h-cost] archives? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:01:09 EST Status: RO Hello to the list. Is there an accessible archives location for messages from this list? Thanks. Nancy / Ingvild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 14:12:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29923 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:11:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2II41a15667; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2II41713224; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from BYHU.star2.net (smtp.star2.net [65.89.75.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2II34712526 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:03:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from bently (unverified [67.226.60.94]) by BYHU.star2.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.200) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:51:33 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c1cea7$75838b60$5e3ce243@bently> From: "David Dotson" To: References: <200203171903.g2HJ3LO26211@net.indra.com> <001d01c1ce3c$4d87f580$4b2c8b41@mantua> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:39:36 -0800 Status: RO > > --Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her > > carryon luggage for her embroidery projects ... > My solution (tested so far on 3 plane trips) is to bring along dental floss. The dispenser cuts threads very well, and doesn't do too shabby a job on yarn, either! Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 14:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30067 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:38:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IIUHa19083; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:30:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IIUF701334; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:30:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IITl701075 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:29:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.66.1dc929ed (4340) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:29:37 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <66.1dc929ed.29c78c11@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_66.1dc929ed.29c78c11_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:29:37 EST Status: RO --part1_66.1dc929ed.29c78c11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/02 1:04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, someone@eskimo.com writes: > My solution (tested so far on 3 plane trips) is to bring along dental > floss. The dispenser cuts threads very well, and doesn't do too shabby a > job on yarn, either! > Now that is about as clever an idea as I have heard anyone come up with. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_66.1dc929ed.29c78c11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/02 1:04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, someone@eskimo.com writes:


My solution (tested  so far on 3 plane trips) is to bring along dental
floss.  The dispenser cuts threads very well, and doesn't do too shabby a
job on yarn, either!


      Now that is about as clever an idea as I have heard anyone come up with.  
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--part1_66.1dc929ed.29c78c11_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 14:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30117 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:50:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IIh4a20795; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IIh4709877; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:43:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IIgV709549 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:42:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04685 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:00:55 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] archives? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:00:55 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 SNSpies@aol.com wrote: > Is there an accessible archives location for messages from this list? Thanks. Below is a slightly updated version of the last post I made to answer this (frequent) question. Clip and save! ================== -- Method 1: The indra server theoretically holds digests since the time we switched to the mailman software. Obviously these don't go back very far. Use the h-cost signup webpage and follow the archive links. Last time I looked, however, very few posts had actually made it in there. It would be nice to see this fixed, but I'm not holding my breath. -- Method 2: To search by keyword, use Eric Praetzel's searchable archive at: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives Eric made some changes to the search method a few months ago that speed the search but reduce your ability to search. You can no longer search by keyword in text, just by the poster's name and subject line ... not much use for many of the sorts of questions I ask. But it's a start, and if you know that one of the listmembers is an expert on some topic, you can always search on his/her name and then follow subject lines once you find useful threads. A bit more disturbing, when Eric tidied up the files to eliminate extra headers, some of the text was lost from some postings; I have found a few lines missing here and there from my old posts. Eventually I realized that when a text line happened to include a colon after the first word on that line, the software assumed that line was a header and wiped it. If you find some odd breaks in a posting, that may be the cause. -- Method 3: For older archives (1993-1996), go to Franchesca Havas' site at http://www.io.com/~ches/h-costume/ . You can ftp or download zipped files. I'm not sure if Ches has later archives too. I hope *someone* is keeping them. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 15:44:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30483 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:44:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IJa3a26953; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:36:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IJa1712523; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:36:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IJZi712356 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:35:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16n2v0-00074w-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:35:43 -0800 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters-needles on planes Organization: PII Message-ID: <000001c1ceb3$15a9c540$6501a8c0@phoenix.speedchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6EA88621A19@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:28:29 -0700 Status: RO I travel a lot with my job and take pins and needles all the time. I've only been on an international flight to Canada since 9/11, but this is what I do: I take a paper napkin and stick a whole bunch of pins in it and a few needles, wrap it flat in tin foil and put it in the bottom of a plastic shoe box with my needle work. I don't known if they don't see it, or don't care, but I do it all the time and have never been questioned. I don't carry scissors however. I do carry one of those little thread cutters that fit on your finger-but I usually use my teeth anyway!! I was really bummed at first because I thought I wouldn't be able to think of anything to take with me to work on, but I have butt loads of hand sewing to do and embroidery. I started basting stuff to sew later, but then found out I could sew well enough not to have to go back and sew on my machine! I figure if they do say anything, I just loose a 20-50 pins and a few needles. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 16:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30582 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:05:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IJv1a29267; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IJv1724931; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:57:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IJuk724774 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:56:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:56:40 -0800 Received: from 169.233.40.178 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:56:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.233.40.178] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 19:56:40.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[0550C140:01C1CEB7] Subject: [h-cost] Tanning, Tawing, and Taxidermy? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:56:40 -0800 Status: RO I'm delurking now that this whole thread has started, it's reminded me of a project that has long been on the back burner for me. I used to be in 4H, in the rabbit project, and when we did our "culling" I always wanted to at least keep the pelts for later use. (Ours were much better quality than the ones I could get at the crafts store, and rex fur to boot!) Can anyone out there imagine a rex-fur collar? Or gloves, for that matter? I know one lady made her godson a rex-fur teddy bear... it was amazing. My only problem back then, and now is that I had no idea how to go about tanning the hides, despite the instructions for "tawing" that I found in the ARBA (American Rabbit Breeder's Assoc.) handbook. Many of the instructions I've found contain things that I can't imagine getting anywhere in any useful quantity. (*Battery acid*?!!?) Does anyone out there have instructions on how to tan or taw small rabbit hides (as opposed to leather)? Or recipies for tanning or tawing solutions whose ingridients are easy to come by? -Laura _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 16:29:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30655 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:29:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IKL2a02047; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:21:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKL1709181; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.frys.com (mail.frys.com [63.204.205.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKKe708970 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:20:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from thelema.frys.com (66-81-117-238-modem.o1.com [66.81.117.238]) by mail.frys.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2IKN2R24533 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:23:02 -0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20020318121243.04f75100@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020318063010.00830a70@pop.directcon.net> References: <6E7021131C3@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <200203151905.g2FJ5dO08485@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:15:48 -0800 Status: RO > >Turning up to a school reunion and fraking all the small minded, > >small-town bastards I grew up with! > >Ooh, parallel lives, Teddy! In May there's going to be a Ren Faire in my >home town. It should be interesting, even if I am going to hear "I >remember you, you were the one with the cape!" about nine gazillion times. I wouldn't have missed my ten-year reunion for an all expenses paid trip to the V&A. I wore a leather jacket, blue jeans, a large belt knife, and great big platform shoes (reunion was in 1977). I found out that the snobby ones had gotten snobbier, the good ones had stayed good, and many of the others had grown out of high-school mentality and had turned out OK. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 16:35:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30710 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:35:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IKR1a02781; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKR0712805; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:27:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKQ2712196 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:26:02 -0700 (MST) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA22610 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:44:12 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200203182044.MAA22610@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tanning, Tawing, and Taxidermy? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:44:12 -0800 (PST) Status: RO > From: "Kala Jathos" [...] > Does anyone out there have instructions on how to tan or taw small rabbit > hides (as opposed to leather)? Or recipies for tanning or tawing solutions > whose ingridients are easy to come by? There are tanning kits out there that specify "fur on". The Leather Factory sells two different tanning sets. One is for regular leather, and one is for pelts. I don't have a catalogue handy right now, but the kit's supposed to contain everything you need. You might also want to check with Tandy Leather. Both companies are based in Texas, where plenty of folk still do their own hunting and tanning. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 16:37:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30765 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:37:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IKU2a03113; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:30:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKU1714523; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKTL714133 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:29:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.163.a91f608 (18405) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:29:04 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <163.a91f608.29c7a80f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_163.a91f608.29c7a80f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:29:03 EST Status: RO --part1_163.a91f608.29c7a80f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, you guys are young. My 50th high school reunion is coming in May, but I am not going. I only went to that school for my senior year and never got very interested in any of the other students except the band members. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_163.a91f608.29c7a80f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boy, you guys are young.  My 50th high school reunion is coming in May, but I am not going.  I only went to that school for my senior year and never got very interested in any of the other students except the band members.  

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--part1_163.a91f608.29c7a80f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 16:47:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30855 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:47:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IKd2a04226; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:39:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKd0719791; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:39:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f11.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IKcH719345 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:38:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:38:11 -0800 Received: from 128.95.140.186 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:38:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.95.140.186] From: "Gia Gavino" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 20:38:11.0775 (UTC) FILETIME=[D222BCF0:01C1CEBC] Subject: [h-cost] Curator job! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:38:11 +0000 Status: RO Hey, I just noticed this opening! It's here at the University of Washington, located in confused Seattle Wa. where it's snowing...in mid -March! Anyone interested? http://www.washington.edu/admin/employment/2002archive/03-2002archive/RC16165.html Gia _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 17:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31248 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:48:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ILe6a12091; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:40:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ILe2726453; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:40:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ILdE725906 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from cliff.sunflower.com (cliff.sunflower.com [24.124.0.140]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2ILdlv12135; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:39:47 -0600 Message-Id: <200203182139.g2ILdlv12135@smtp.sunflower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Franklin Web E-mail Subject: re: [h-cost] Curator job! X-Origin-Ip: 129.237.252.12 From: mdevries@sunflower.com To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: ; from giagavino@msn.com on Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:38:11 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2ILdE725906 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mdevries@sunflower.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:39:47 -0000 Status: RO I just want to point out that the description states this position is only for UW employees, so won't do much good unless you already work there. Margretta > "Gia Gavino" wrote: > > Hey, I just noticed this opening! It's here at the University of > Washington, located in confused Seattle Wa. where it's snowing...in mid > -March! > > Anyone interested? > > http://www.washington.edu/admin/employment/2002archive/03-2002archive/RC16165.html > > Gia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 17:50:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31267 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:50:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ILg3a12559; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:42:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ILg1727964; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ILfB727385 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:41:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OqftFi7ROtCdKNfTD1/BsJA="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GV8C8GY2; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:40:44 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tanning, Tawing, and Taxidermy? Message-ID: <20020318.133836.-156539.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:07:55 +0000 Status: RO For those of us new to the subject, what's the difference between tanning and tawing? Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 17:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31290 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:54:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2ILl0a13590; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ILl0701739; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:47:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from fepE.post.tele.dk (fepE.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2ILk3701117 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:46:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from post12.tele.dk ([62.243.47.229]) by fepE.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020318214600.UZHI26334.fepE.post.tele.dk@post12.tele.dk> for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:46:00 +0100 Message-ID: <3C965FB0.E1690CAC@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] new projekt Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:44:16 +0100 Status: RO Hi. I just want to ask, if there are others who has tryed this: I am planning to make a robe a la francaise. I want to embroider it. There will be an embroidered stomacher, embroidered panels at the split open overskirt and embroidery on the underskirt front. I want to make some guirlandes with embroidered roses. It will be a long lasting project like the suit i am making for myself. Now the cost of materials will be quite expensive, i want to make the entire dress in silk taffeta. And all the embroidery threads are expensive silks two, including the expensive silk chenille from Hedgehog. Well i dont have anybody to make this dress for, and therefore i was thinking about making a standard size ( a small 38 ) The dress includes a pair of stays and a panier. Do you think i would be able to sell it on ebay? I know i would never be payed equal to the time consuming task to make it, but i should at least have my expenses + about 800 dollars. Do you think this would be possible? I simply just must make that dress i have in my head.................... Bjarne -- Leif Drews boulevard 5, 3 th 1635 København V Bjarne Drews boulevard 5,3.th 1635 København V tlf. 35 37 13 70 My new domain name: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk Homepage: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DeeDee_Revia/1index.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 18:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31355 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:15:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IM47a17591; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:04:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IM42713783; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:04:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IM3V713412 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:03:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from MzScahlett@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.189.508cebd (3314) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: MzScahlett@aol.com Message-ID: <189.508cebd.29c7be25@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_189.508cebd.29c7be25_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:03:17 EST Status: RO --part1_189.508cebd.29c7be25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bjarne, There is a good chance you will eventually be able to sell it on ebay, but it may not go the first go round, since it's a pricier item. Just make sure to let me/us know when you are putting it on line and we here at h-cost can fight over it! We'll get the price right up there for ya (ha ha). I've seen 20s dresses in not so good shape go for $350 plus on the average. What you should do is watch comparable goodies and see what they sell for and get an idea of what the market will bear shortly before putting it up. You can always start it at your cost with no reserve and wait.... I don't know the current market for repro of period clothing, so I can't be sure but there is a market for the genuine article in bad condition, so I would imagine folks would pay a lot for something you'd created with all that handwork. You may just have to be patient. Also, timing is everything. You might try putting it up just before Halloween (with an eye toward the nicer costumed events, not trick or treat), or perhaps in the spring for a wedding. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." W. Shakespeare In a message dated 3/18/2002 1:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > Do you think i would be able to sell it on ebay? > I know i would never be payed equal to the time consuming task to make > it, but i should at least have my expenses + about 800 dollars. > Do you think this would be possible? > I simply just must make that dress i have in my head.................... --part1_189.508cebd.29c7be25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bjarne,

There is a good chance you will eventually be able to sell it on ebay, but it may not go the first go round, since it's a pricier item.  Just make sure to let me/us know when you are putting it on line and we here at h-cost can fight over it!  We'll get the price right up there for ya (ha ha).

I've seen 20s dresses in not so good shape go for $350 plus on the average. What you should do is watch comparable goodies and see what they sell for and get an idea of what the market will bear shortly before putting it up.  You can always start it at your cost with no reserve and wait.... I don't know the current market for repro of period clothing, so I can't be sure but there is a market for the genuine article in bad condition, so I would imagine folks would pay a lot for something you'd created with all that handwork. You may just have to be patient.  Also, timing is everything.  You might try putting it up just before Halloween (with an eye toward the nicer costumed events, not trick or treat), or perhaps in the spring for a wedding.

angela
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Angela F. Lazear
Cabbage Rose Costumes
Theatrical Costume Design
www.cabbagerosecostumes.com
"Do you not know I am a woman?.  When I think, I must speak."
W. Shakespeare

In a message dated 3/18/2002 1:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes:


Do you think i would be able to sell it on ebay?
I know i would never be payed equal to the time consuming task to make
it, but i should at least have my expenses + about  800 dollars.
Do you think this would be possible?
I simply just must make that dress i have in my head....................

 --part1_189.508cebd.29c7be25_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 18:18:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31361 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:18:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IMA9a18946; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:10:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMA3717947; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:10:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IM9H717398 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:09:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from 216-164-48-38.c3-0.gth-ubr1.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com ([216.164.48.38] helo=megan2) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 16n5Jc-0006my-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:09:16 -0500 From: "Megan M." To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020317223057.0070b0fc@mail.verizon.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:13:58 -0500 Status: RO Always an interest in that one......... but scheduling is another story. -Megan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Ron Carnegie Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Va Museum Tours (was LR/ shopping) At 01:49 AM 3/17/02 -0500, you wrote: >Well, Penny, it looks like the ball’s in your court! I think it’s time >for a “Behind the Scenes” tour of the Valentine! Richmond has so much >fun stuff to do, I think you should make it a weekend event. Hmm, >there’s the Valentine, the Museum of the Confederacy, EA Poe, the Fine >Arts Museum, ….what else am I forgetting? The restaurants and night >life aren't too shabby either! And of course, Williamsburg is only >about 45 minutes away, so we'll HAVE to go there too! > >Linda > I could work out a "behind the Scenes" at Williamsburg, if there was an interest. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 18:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31411 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:28:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IMKja21449; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMKj725695; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:20:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMJ7724423 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:19:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from 1cust25.tnt3.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.112.25] helo=hppav) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16n5Sz-0007h9-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:18:58 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c1cecb$4e0f6800$1970e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Re: traveling with costumes./CC-21 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:21:49 -0600 Status: RO Where is it? Chicago-Chicago, that toddlin' town!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 18:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31424 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:30:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IMM2a21750; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:22:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMM1726759; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:22:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMKO725441 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:20:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.63.851f38c (3858) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <63.851f38c.29c7c218@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_63.851f38c.29c7c218_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:20:08 EST Status: RO --part1_63.851f38c.29c7c218_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that you should be able to get a decent price for your work on dBay, but I do not agree that you should put it up with no reserve. Use the reserve. In case you don't get a decent bid you don't have to accept it. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_63.851f38c.29c7c218_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      I agree that you should be able to get a decent price for your work on dBay, but I do not agree that you should put it up with no reserve.  Use the reserve.  In case you don't get a decent bid you don't have to accept it.

Lalah
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--part1_63.851f38c.29c7c218_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 18:41:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31470 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:41:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IMY5a24764; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMY3706362; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:34:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpgate.suscom.net (ip252.119.susc.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMXK705723 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:33:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhost.suscom.net (pop.suscom.net [64.78.119.253]) by smtpgate.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB63510F4E6 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by mailhost.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C2253A8017 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:36:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002101c1cecc$e1339970$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and greg Stucki" To: References: <6E7021131C3@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <200203151905.g2FJ5dO08485@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020318121243.04f75100@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:33:08 -0500 Status: RO Between high school graduation and my ten year re-union, I lost about twenty pounds. I wore a dress that was super-tight to the waist and laced up the back, with a rather full skirt, and throughly enjoyed seeing all the cheerleaders who had gotten fat! Dianne > I wouldn't have missed my ten-year reunion for an all expenses paid trip to > the V&A. I wore a leather jacket, blue jeans, a large belt knife, and > great big platform shoes (reunion was in 1977). I found out that the > snobby ones had gotten snobbier, the good ones had stayed good, and many of > the others had grown out of high-school mentality and had turned out OK. > > Kayta > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 18:56:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31598 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:56:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2IMk7a27837; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:46:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMk2715486; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:46:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2IMjl715294 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:45:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from comcast.net (pcp670884pcs.indpnd01.mo.comcast.net [68.34.234.170]) by mtaout45-02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GT600AYVXW5L4@mtaout45-02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda J. Thompson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3C966EB2.3010202@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 Subject: [h-cost] Millinery Supplies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:48:18 -0600 Status: RO I use MANNY'S MILLINERY SUPPLY CENTER 26 West 38th St., New York, NY 10018, (212) 840-2235, (212) 840-2236, (212) 944-0178 fax I do not know if they currently have what you are looking for. But they do have a catalog you can request. they are reasonalby priced and ship fairly fast. -- Linda Thompson Visit www.seams-to-be.com where Attitude is Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 20:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32049 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:00:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2INq7a05637; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:52:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2INq1722845; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:52:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2INpL722396 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:51:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.132] (pm4-132.eos.net [205.133.149.132]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02181 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:46:47 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203181519.g2IFJB706087@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: metric measurements Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:43:46 -0500 Status: RO Come now, Teddy! It's not that hard: millimeter centimenter decimeter meter dekameter hectometer kilometer Substitute grams or liters for meters, and you have the same increments of measurement. So a hectogram is 100 grams. I don't have a clue how much a hectogram of, say, flour would be (partly because I have no idea how much a gram of flour is). But I have to admit it has a nice orderliness to it. I know how much a cup of flour is. But how much is a quart? I always have to look it up. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 20:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32079 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:03:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2INt3a05977; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:55:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2INt1724627; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:55:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2INs1724037 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from [205.133.149.132] (pm4-132.eos.net [205.133.149.132]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02607 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:49:27 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203181844.g2IIi2710476@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: mud in California Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:47:07 -0500 Status: RO glassy-winged sharpshooter??? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 20:25:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32247 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:25:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J0H6a08607; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:17:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J0H0706255; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:17:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from web14003.mail.yahoo.com (web14003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2J0Gk706155 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:16:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020319001646.31731.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.84.160.102] by web14003.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:16:46 PST From: Joe Cool Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt -- Robe Francaise To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3C965FB0.E1690CAC@post12.tele.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:16:46 -0800 (PST) Status: RO --- Leif Drews wrote: > Hi. > I just want to ask, if there are others who has tryed this: > I am planning to make a robe a la francaise. I want to > embroider it. > There will be an embroidered stomacher, embroidered panels at > the split > open overskirt and embroidery on the underskirt front. I want > to make some guirlandes with embroidered roses. You amaze me. I have the same "I want". This has to be the 3rd time we've done this. *laughing* I even bought the fabric as I want my embroidered gown on a striped silk ground. Since I dont embroider, I was planning on using the embroidery machine. As usual, I have no place to wear it, really. Just wanting it. Same thing happened with the 1740's man's suit. He doesnt have anyplace to wear it, but it looks good so far. (Waiting for the ruffled linen shirt to arrive.) As for your question, I dont know. I've neither bought nor sold via Ebay. --cin formerly known as "Cynthia in Tokyo" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 20:38:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32286 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:38:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J0T1a09976; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:29:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J0T0711645; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:29:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J0Sr711601 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:28:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [216.119.37.158] (helo=[216.119.37.158]) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16n7Ui-0005gq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:53 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: OT: Re: [h-cost] Re: mud in California From: Sarah Goodman To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:28:54 -0800 Status: RO on 3/18/02 3:47 PM, Gail & Scott Finke at gailscott@eos.net wrote: > > glassy-winged sharpshooter??? > It's a bug. To me, it looks a lot like a lacewing/may fly sort of critter. It's currently destroying grape crops up and down the state in a big way. The wine industry is being pretty hard hit at the moment... Sarah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 21:39:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32539 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:39:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J1Voa15160; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:31:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1Vl706575; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:31:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from web13508.mail.yahoo.com (web13508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2J1Sw705393 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:28:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020319012855.32496.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.169.182.148] by web13508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:28:55 PST From: Sheila To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200203182248.g2IMmI716816@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] French Movie Garb? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:28:55 -0800 (PST) Status: RO Hi All! I recently was watching "The Return of Martin Guerre" (1982) with Gerard Depardieu for a class. It takes place in 15c France and is all in French. The American movie "Summersby" with Jodi Foster was based off of it. I thought the costumes looked pretty good, and was wondering if anyone else had seen this and had an opinion. Thanks! Sheila __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 21:42:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32559 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:42:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J1Yma15411; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1Yl707795; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:34:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (root@smtp2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1UK705980 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:30:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p23-nas11.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.213.23]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA19589 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:30:15 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp2.ihug.co.nz: Host p23-nas11.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.213.23] claimed to be user Message-ID: <005501c1cee5$63d32860$17d5adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] archives? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:28:32 +1200 Status: RO > -- Method 1: > The indra server theoretically holds digests since the time we switched to > the mailman software. Obviously these don't go back very far. Use the > h-cost signup webpage and follow the archive links. Last time I looked, > however, very few posts had actually made it in there. It would be nice to > see this fixed, but I'm not holding my breath. I cannot access them at all. Today I got: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/h-costume/ on this server. last time it was a 404 error message, so I have no idea how to view the recent archives. Signing in didn't help last time either. Is the url correct on the page for the new archives? http://mail.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume/ michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 21:55:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32606 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:54:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J1l9a16299; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1l7712291; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:47:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J1ih711510 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.14] (as3-4-28.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.14]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2J1ifX15989 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:44:42 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: mud in California Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:06:00 -0800 Status: RO At 6:47 PM -0500 3/18/02, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >glassy-winged sharpshooter??? > >Gail Finke Major recent vineyard pest. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 22:23:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32753 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:23:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J2Foa18167; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J2Fk722838; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:15:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J2DV722052 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:13:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m175.in-tch.com [216.166.191.175]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2J21Q911037 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:01:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C969FED.BEE29440@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt -- Robe Francaise References: <20020319001646.31731.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:18:21 -0700 Status: RO Striped silk???? Oooooh.....drooooooollll...... Wherever did you find striped silk suitable for the 18th century?? I want a sacque dress so bad I can hardly stand it.....Hadn't thought much about the embroidery for the dress itself (since I don't really do much surface embroidery), but I was really hoping to do the sleeve ruffles (not sure of correct term here) in very fine linen with some of that marvelous danish pulled-thread work.....now *that* stuff I can do..... ....Hmmmm....maybe I could work some sort of trade with Bjarne..... --Sue, mourning the fact that she'll probably never be a size 38 (what's that in American sizes? A 10? smaller? larger?), so she'd never be able to put in a decent bid for Bjarne's dress.....*sigh*..... Cynthia-formerly-from-Tokyo wrote: > > --- Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi. > > I just want to ask, if there are others who has tryed this: > > I am planning to make a robe a la francaise. I want to > > embroider it. > > There will be an embroidered stomacher, embroidered panels at > > the split > > open overskirt and embroidery on the underskirt front. I want > > to make some guirlandes with embroidered roses. > > You amaze me. I have the same "I want". This has to be the 3rd > time we've done this. *laughing* I even bought the fabric as I > want my embroidered gown on a striped silk ground. Since I dont > embroider, I was planning on using the embroidery machine. As > usual, I have no place to wear it, really. Just wanting it. > > Same thing happened with the 1740's man's suit. He doesnt have > anyplace to wear it, but it looks good so far. (Waiting for the > ruffled linen shirt to arrive.) > > As for your question, I dont know. I've neither bought nor sold > via Ebay. > > --cin > formerly known as "Cynthia in Tokyo" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 22:26:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00301 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:26:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J2Ila18409; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:18:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J2Ik723954; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:18:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J2Fw722926 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:15:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m175.in-tch.com [216.166.191.175]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2J23t911750 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:03:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3C96A082.CD49CB5D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters References: <6EA88621A19@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:20:50 -0700 Status: RO When I traveled last November, I didn't have any problems with the embroidery needles, although I'd checked in advance. Just anything cutting-ish. Oh, and corkscrews, which I thought was a pretty weird one. Gawd, Teddy, I'd go completely bonkers if I had to stay embroidery-free all the way to and from England..... --sue Teddy wrote: > > > Sue, I think someone has mentioned the circular thingy from Clotilde > > that is a thread cutter, but no sharp edges. Also, I got a set of > > needle threaders at Joann's (in the quilting notions area) and these > > threaders have built in thread cutters on them (a notch with a tiny > > edge at the bottom). The threaders are mostly plastic, just the tiny > > wires for threading and the less than 1 mm thread cutter are metal. > > > > Sandy > > > > >--Sue, still trying to think of a way to get thread cutters into her > > >carryon luggage for her embroidery projects [yes, I know I could put > > >them in my checked luggage, but a girl's gotta have *something* to > > >work on when she flies all the way across the U.S. and _then_ the > > >Atlantic Ocean ] > > But, from what I hear, you won't be allowed to take the *needles* on > as cary-on so having the thread cutter will bve pretty useless > > Teddy > (still boggled that a friend who returned to CA from London in > February had her *shoes* confiscated and destroyed because they > had a bit of English mud on them.... and she wasn't even > compensated for the loss of the shoes. If it had been me there > they'd have had an international incident in their airport! In my book > that's *theft*.) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 23:21:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00596 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:21:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J3DYa22433; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:13:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J3DX712631; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:13:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J39C711449 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:09:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2143.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.143]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06316 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:09:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3C96AA4B.F52A0255@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Underthings (FABRICHOARDER@aol.com) References: <200203170302.g2H32WO13428@net.indra.com> <002101c1cdfd$b4f10980$383efea9@mmx233> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5C84A6105980D9B8A1778D7F" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:02:35 -0500 Status: RO --------------5C84A6105980D9B8A1778D7F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, found it at the bottom of the page! Mike T. > > > Ramona's reference should read 'page 56' for both the current Ruth > Bean edition and the earlier 1973 edition (out of print since the > early 1980s). --------------5C84A6105980D9B8A1778D7F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, found it at the bottom of the page!  Mike T.
 
 
 
Ramona's reference should read 'page 56' for both the current Ruth Bean edition and the earlier 1973 edition (out of print since the early 1980s). 
--------------5C84A6105980D9B8A1778D7F-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Mar 18 23:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00701 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:50:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J3gWa24406; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J3gW721340; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:42:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J3b5719725 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:37:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2143.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.143]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20630 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:37:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C96B0D4.EB063506@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tanning, Tawing, and Taxidermy? References: <20020318.133836.-156539.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:30:28 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. In short, tanning requires the use of some form of tannin, found in many vegetable products such as oak bark, sumac and good old tea. Tawing, also called whittawing, because the hides and skins become whitish, uses alum as it's main ingredient. Some good references are; East Midlands Industrial Archaeology Conference Proceedings pamphlet #27 "Leather Manufacture through the Ages" by S. Thomas, L.A. Clarkson and R. Thomson Oct 1983 (no ISBN) and "Leather and the Warrior" by John W. Waterer 1981 The Scolar Press ISBN 0-9504182-1-8 Waterer's bibliography in the aforementioned book also contains other good sources of information. Mike T. Cynthia J Ley wrote: > For those of us new to the subject, what's the difference between tanning > and tawing? > > Arlys > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 00:18:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00809 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:18:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J4AKa26209; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:10:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J4AJ729530; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:10:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J46q728364 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07191 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:25:15 -0600 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] archives? In-Reply-To: <005501c1cee5$63d32860$17d5adcb@user> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:25:15 -0600 (CST) Status: RO On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, michaela wrote: > > The indra server theoretically holds digests since the time we switched to > > the mailman software. Obviously these don't go back very far. Use the > > h-cost signup webpage and follow the archive links. Last time I looked, > > however, very few posts had actually made it in there. It would be nice to > > see this fixed, but I'm not holding my breath. > > I cannot access them at all. Today I got: > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /pipermail/h-costume/ on this server. > > last time it was a 404 error message, so I have no idea how to view the > recent archives. Signing in didn't help last time either. Is the url correct > on the page for the new archives? > http://mail.indra.com/pipermail/h-costume/ Frankly, last time I saw them there was hardly anything there. I sincerely doubt there's been much change, assuming they exist at all anymore. Perhaps our listowner Elizabeth knows something more about this, but I haven't spent much time worrying about it; I personally rely on Eric's archive. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 00:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01184 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:42:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J4YWa27714; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J4YV707015; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:34:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J4SC705092 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:28:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2143.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.143]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26729 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3C96BCCD.358C2694@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3C93D37A.63915526@post12.tele.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] some books Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:21:33 -0500 Status: RO Hi, All. Just got my David Brown/Oxbow Books catalog and wanted to point out a few books that might be of interest to some on the list. "The Devil's Cloth: a History of stripes and striped fabric" by Michel Pastoureau 2001 Columbia UP 0231123663 (I suppose this is the ISBN?) $22.95 BP 16.95 "Treading in the Past; Sandals of the Anisazi" ed. Kathy Kankainen 1995 Utah UP $9.98 on sale through David Brown Books (US dist. for Oxbow) Hope this is of some interest to someone... Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 01:10:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01615 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 01:10:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J52Ya29116; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:02:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J52W714657; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:02:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe63.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.205]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J4uC712788 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:56:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:56:06 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.47.246] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Curator job! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CEBF.4D6E6380" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 04:56:06.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[61276320:01C1CF02] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:55:57 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CEBF.4D6E6380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well shoot! I know that there are some folks here that do work at the UW= . Thank you for pointing this out.. Gia ----- Original Message ----- From: mdevries@sunflower.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:59 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: re: [h-cost] Curator job! I just want to point out that the description states this position is onl= y for UW employees, so won't do much good unless you already work there. Margretta > "Gia Gavino" wrote: > > Hey, I just noticed this opening! It's here at the University of > Washington, located in confused Seattle Wa. where it's snowing...in mid > -March! > > Anyone interested? > > http://www.washington.edu/admin/employment/2002archive/03-2002archive/R= C16165.html > > Gia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world=E2=80=99s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CEBF.4D6E6380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CEBF.4D6E6380-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 02:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29864 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:34:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J6QWa02942; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:26:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J6QU707075; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:26:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J6Lq705901 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:21:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.41.28]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020319062143.GDCK2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:21:43 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020319002129.02d22040@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-Reply-To: <6EA924F7127@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200203181519.g2IFJa706259@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:22:24 -0600 Status: RO At 03:26 PM 3/18/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > I've just discovered that my feet are 10" long. Hm. That could be > > pretty useful... > >Neat - that will be useful - thanks Danielle! > >Teddy >(same size feet as Danielle) LOL! I actually got out the ruler to measure them... : ) Oh, and it's good thing they didn't check my suitcases because my green shoes were quite muddy and I sure wouldn't have wanted them confiscated. Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 02:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29873 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:38:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J6UXa03139; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:30:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J6UX708203; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:30:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2J6Nx706469 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 59267 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 06:23:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO x5d9i6) (195.149.37.158) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 06:23:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c1cf0e$a32fdfc0$9e2595c3@x5d9i6> From: "Linda Walton" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:23:50 -0000 Status: RO For those whose fantasies take them that little bit further . . . I've just come across these two places, which can be hired as holiday cottages, quite cheaply:- Medieval Longhouse http://www.helpfulholidays.com/property.asp?ref=J315S Tudor wing http://www.helpfulholidays.com/property.asp?ref=J316S They are both part of the same building which, if hired as a whole, will sleep twelve people. Just imagine trying the effect of wearing historic costume in really authentic surroundings for a whole week or longer. By the way, although all the buildings are in their original form, the kitchen and bathroom fittings and the beds are modern. (Note: I have no connection with the company, but have done business with them before, and find that they really live up to their name!) Linda Walton, in sunny Buckinghamshire, U.K. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 02:42:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29884 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:42:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J6YXa03312; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:34:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J6YW709282; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:34:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (f116.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.116]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J6R6707267 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:27:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:27:00 -0800 Received: from 32.102.126.15 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:27:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [32.102.126.15] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 06:27:00.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[13F46F50:01C1CF0F] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:27:00 -0800 Status: RO I always just put the least I'm willing to accept as the minimum. I don't even look at auctions with reserves because I don't want to play guessing games to go shopping. I put a buy-it-now price that I think is top end of the value and a starting bid I can live with so people know what they're bidding on without the whole "how much is the reserve?" hassles. Just my Ebay $.02. Jennifer Distant Designs http://www.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi >From: LalahTT@aol.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:20:08 EST > > I agree that you should be able to get a decent price for your work >on >dBay, but I do not agree that you should put it up with no reserve. Use >the >reserve. In case you don't get a decent bid you don't have to accept it. > >Lalah >Never Give up, Never Surrender, >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at >http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 03:58:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30071 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:58:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2J7oLa05475; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:50:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J7oJ726376; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from apollo.gti.net (postfix@apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J7eH724313 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:40:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-121.gti.net [208.216.115.121]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 33E8C1459F2 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:40:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C96EB7D.A14DD8F4@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] new projekt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:40:45 -0500 Status: RO Well, I enjoy the reserve option in some cases, especially items of debatable value, because it allows the bidder the option of bidding without having to commit to the item if the reserve turns out to be more than they would want to pay. But I do think the reserve should be reasonable in relation to the starting price. "Brand New Prada purse" starting at $2.00 with a reserve of $200, is not a very clever attempt to lure in bidders. Yeah, I guess it only works when the value of the object is questionable; could be $10-could be $100-who knows? Bid and find out..Now eBay has the 'buy it now' option if you don't even want to bother with the "fun" of an online auction. Deb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:08:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30696 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:08:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JA07a09533; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:00:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JA05722838; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:00:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J9nP720638 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJGZQ05SG00YNA8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:51:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJGZCTKJU00TJ1T@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:50:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:48:10 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:47:14 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:47:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] things you fantasize to do in costume In-reply-to: <200203181844.g2IIiI710624@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6FCD56E49EA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:47:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I am travelling with train and bus, so i definately will not be > dressed, but i change at the castle. Not 10 wild horses would make > me travel in bus and train dressed like an 18th. century gentleman. > I simply lack the nervs to do such a thing. When i was going to a > ball at Stockholm last autumn, they suggested me to take the bus > fully dressed. Well the other members do that, but i wouldnt have > the nerve to do such a thing, a public bus? Gues i am very shy, > but......... They said that people in Stockholm is used to se the > members dressed in costume.. Hi Bjarne You should try it some time when you are with a group of others also dressed in costume, that way you can *ease* into it without feeling that you're all alone and the only one in costume. Teddy (Who has been known to travel right across the country by public transport in costume to get to an event... not to mention alone on the London underground in Rocky Horror costume on the way to and from the theatre to see the show) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:15:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30729 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:15:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JA84a09799; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JA84724563; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:08:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2J9rI721341 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 02:53:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJH5S5S8G00UC46@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJH5PKTVO006O9M@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:55:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:53:12 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:52:52 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:52:43 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters In-reply-to: <200203181844.g2IIiI710624@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6FCED786E79@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:52:42 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > So, from the individual point of view, confiscating and destroying > shoes because they have potentially infected mud on them seems > extreme, but from the larger point of view, you're balancing it > against vast sums in crop/livestock losses and eradication > programs. I still think it's nuts. England had already been declared free of Foot- and-Mouth by that point and even if it hadn't they could have *cleaned* the shoes, returned them to her and destroyed the mud if they were that picky.... and then to not compensate her for the loss of the shoes.... absolutely NUTS Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:31:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30768 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:31:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JAO6a10144; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:24:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAO5711946; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:24:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAAU725062 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJHQ1Q2YO00YNA8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:12:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJHPV1EZG00X4EZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:11:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:09:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:09:26 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:09:16 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements In-reply-to: <200203190634.g2J6Yl709371@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6FD341D1FDE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:09:16 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Come now, Teddy! It's not that hard: > > millimeter > centimenter > decimeter > meter > dekameter > hectometer > kilometer > > Substitute grams or liters for meters, and you have the same > increments of measurement. So a hectogram is 100 grams. > > I don't have a clue how much a hectogram of, say, flour would be > (partly because I have no idea how much a gram of flour is). But that's the problem. I can guestimate a pound of something, I wouldn't have a clue for *any of the ones in your list. > But I have to admit it has a nice orderliness to it. I know how > much a cup of flour is. We have different sized cups here. An English "standard cup" is different from an American one... > But how much is a quart? I always have to look it up. Not a measurement used in England either. Similar to English people being weighed in "stones" - each stone being 14 pounds, so American people's weights seem awfully high to us because we'd have to devide the number of pounds by 14 to get it into stones so we could understand it. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30774 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:31:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JAOHa10156; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:24:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAOG711982; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:24:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JADV725741 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJHUUPCAO00YNA8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:15:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJHUU2EB0006O9M@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:13:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:13:03 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:12:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters In-reply-to: <200203190634.g2J6Yl709371@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6FD43957574@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:12:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > When I traveled last November, I didn't have any problems with the > embroidery needles, although I'd checked in advance. Just > anything cutting-ish. Oh, and corkscrews, which I thought was a > pretty weird one. Gawd, Teddy, I'd go completely bonkers if I had > to stay embroidery-free all the way to and from England..... --sue Uh-oh! That could be dangerous information for me. It means I *can* still count on the flight to Chicago for costume con being "available" sewing time for finishing off costumes..... Teddy (who has been known to finish sewing costumes five minutes *after* he should have been presenting them on-stage... it's a good thing Masquerades always run late) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:39:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30805 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JAWBa10363; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:32:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAWA713780; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:32:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (smtp1.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAHj717853 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:17:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from user (p247-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.247]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA31229 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:17:42 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp1.ihug.co.nz: Host p247-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.192.247] claimed to be user Message-ID: <000701c1cf2f$139c2fa0$f7c0adcb@user> From: "michaela" To: References: <6FCD56E49EA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] things you fantasize to do in costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:15:57 +1200 Status: RO > Teddy > (Who has been known to travel right across the country by public > transport in costume to get to an event... not to mention alone on > the London underground in Rocky Horror costume on the way to > and from the theatre to see the show) I trecked from the Hyde Park in to Her Majesty's in London and across København in the wedding dress from Phantom of the Opera, as well as cautch a taxi in Hamburg in the same dress. http://recital.tripod.com/costume/weddingdress.htm But then again I do still dress up for Halloween (actually just started, took a long time to catch on here in NZ). Rocky Horror is going to be performed here later this year, and I was so geared up to go, but Kevin Smith was supposed to play Frank, and now he is dead. So sad, I don't think they have yet decided who will replace him. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30820 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:40:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JAX6a10406; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:33:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAX5713937; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:33:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAJX724557 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:19:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJI3AEJTS00T63T@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:22:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJI39GVOS00NNAS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:22:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:19:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:19:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:19:02 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dumb math questions for non-US costumers In-reply-to: <200203190634.g2J6Yl709371@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6FD5DAD2B64@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:19:02 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >(same size feet as Danielle) > > LOL! I actually got out the ruler to measure them... : ) Which means I don't need to bother measuring mine... > Oh, and it's good thing they didn't check my suitcases because my > green shoes were quite muddy and I sure wouldn't have wanted them > confiscated. Tut-tut, and it's the same Norfolk Countryside mud as Seanan had on hers. Expect the sound of sirens and theauthorities to be battering down your doors in the middle of the night... Perhaps they'll put the area around St Paul into quarantine until everyone and everything has been thoroughly disinfected (or burnt?). Or perhaps they aren't as bothered in MN as they are in California... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30876 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:48:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JAf6a10568; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:41:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAf5715370; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JARg712677 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:27:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJIDE9MC000XIGE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:30:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJIDAD9DO00X4EZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:30:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:27:34 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:27:22 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:27:14 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things you fantasize about doing in costume. In-reply-to: <200203190634.g2J6Yl709371@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <6FD80B1050F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:27:14 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > For those whose fantasies take them that little bit further . . . > > I've just come across these two places, which can be hired as holiday > cottages, quite cheaply:- > > Medieval Longhouse > http://www.helpfulholidays.com/property.asp?ref=J315S > > Tudor wing > http://www.helpfulholidays.com/property.asp?ref=J316S > > They are both part of the same building which, if hired as a whole, > will sleep twelve people. Just imagine trying the effect of wearing > historic costume in really authentic surroundings for a whole week or > longer. By the way, although all the buildings are in their original > form, the kitchen and bathroom fittings and the beds are modern. > > (Note: I have no connection with the company, but have done business > with them before, and find that they really live up to their name!) Hi Linda, That's not uncommon. A friend of mine (current President of the Costume Guild UK) and her husband regularly rent historical buildings for their holidays, they're both costumers and he's a photographer. They often invite costumer friends to stay with them so they can do costume photo shoots with spectacular parts of the buildings as backdrops. Strangely enough, however, she's only recently got into historic costume. Up until then they were all science-fiction or fantasy. Most of the ones designed and made for her by her husband involving very little costume and a lot of body paint - often with wings of some sort... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 06:57:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30919 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:57:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JAo5a11111; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAo5717785; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta01bw.bigpond.com (mta01bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JAYm714209 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 03:34:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.81]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GT7UPS00.AH6 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:34:40 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-110-3.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.110.3]) by bwmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0i 38/424315); 19 Mar 2002 20:34:40 Message-ID: <3C9821D1.CDCBD94F@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters References: <6FCED786E79@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:44:49 -0800 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > So, from the individual point of view, confiscating and destroying > > shoes because they have potentially infected mud on them seems > > extreme, but from the larger point of view, you're balancing it > > against vast sums in crop/livestock losses and eradication > > programs. > > I still think it's nuts. England had already been declared free of Foot- > and-Mouth by that point and even if it hadn't they could have > *cleaned* the shoes, returned them to her and destroyed the mud if > they were that picky.... and then to not compensate her for the loss > of the shoes.... absolutely NUTS That's what they did when we moved to New Zealand (from the UK). When our stuff came off the boat the custom guys came around, and cleaned every little bit of grass and dirt off the lawnmower, the tent etc, put it in little plastic bags and took it away. Now that's service.... Claire (On the other hand they very nearly didn't let us into the country on account of our family being too large...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 09:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31336 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:04:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JCuKa14636; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:56:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JCu4713167; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:56:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g2JChf210492 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:43:41 -0700 (MST) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] archives? Message-ID: <20020319054341.C22459@net.indra.com> References: <005501c1cee5$63d32860$17d5adcb@user> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 05:43:41 -0700 Status: RO Yes, unfortunately, the Indra.com archives aren't working. The auto-archive worked for a few weeks after we switched mailing software in July, but the sysadmin and I can't figure out why it broke and Eric's archives are more accessible (as in you can search), so I think I'm finally going to just punt and remove the mention of Indra archives from the list page and point people to Eric's site. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 09:52:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31521 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:52:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JDifa16969; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:44:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JDiU725226; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:44:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.128]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JDXa722332 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 06:33:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from oemcomputer.skynet.be (adsl-35659.turboline.skynet.be [217.136.11.75]) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.16) with ESMTP id g2JDWwM08670 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:32:58 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020319123046.00a6cd90@pop.skynet.be> X-Sender: f0214470@skynet.be@pop.skynet.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kimberly Ellerthorpe Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters In-Reply-To: <6EA88621A19@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200203181519.g2IFJa706259@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:34:46 +0100 Status: RO >But, from what I hear, you won't be allowed to take the *needles* on >as cary-on so having the thread cutter will bve pretty useless I don't know about on flights, but we went to the US Embassy in Brussels last week, and despite pretty thorough security, I was able to bring in my needle for my cross-stitch. When we flew back to the US for Christmas, I asked one check-in agent about needles, and she said as long as something wasn't on the list, it was OK. I suspect it probably varies depending on the official person and his or her mood. I know out security check at the Embassy (for myself, my husband, our 15 month old, and a stroller with a full shopping basket) got a little rushed through at the end because there was one person doing all the security checks, and the line behind us was growing. I suspect it's all the luck (or lack thereof) of the draw. Kimberly Kimberly Ellerthorpe kre226@skynet.be http://kimberlyrose.freeservers.com/home.htm ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Monster Grendel's tastes are plainish. Breakfast? Just a couple Danish." ~ Maurice Sagoff, *Shrinklits* ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Too many books? There is no such thing as too many books, but too few bookshelves can be a problem. ~Mary Loomer Oliver _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 10:54:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31853 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:54:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JEl9a20858; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:47:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JEl5714920; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:47:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.177.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JEWf709865 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:32:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17150.; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:40:12 GMT Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:31:56 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:31:45 +0000 Status: RO Replying to Gail and Teddy: > millimeter > centimenter > decimeter > meter > dekameter > hectometer > kilometer > > Substitute grams or liters for meters, and you have the same > increments of measurement. So a hectogram is 100 grams. > > I don't have a clue how much a hectogram of, say, flour would be > (partly because I have no idea how much a gram of flour is). 100 grams is roughly 4 oz. We learned all these units at school but I've never heard deci-, deka- or hecto- ones actually used. >We have different sized cups here. An English "standard cup" is >different from an American one... I don't even know what an English standard cup is; most of our recipes require you to measure dry ingredients by weight. I know an American cup is 8 fluid ounces. What I can't understand is how you measure fats by volume. Perhaps it's a question of learning to guesstimate? >> But how much is a quart? I always have to look it up. >Not a measurement used in England either. Oh, yes it is! It's two pints, though, admittedly, seldom referred to nowadays. Four quarts = 1 gallon Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 11:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32126 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:35:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JFRGa24031; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:27:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFR6700699; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:27:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.16.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFDV724922 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:13:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpRYMOfDCcoZxVW/zgWrmI36V7MpGkV54A=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GV99ETXU; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:12:47 EST To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements Message-ID: <20020319.090930.-194793.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 11-13 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:09:30 -0600 Status: RO I recently had an interesting experience in the subtle differences between British and American measurements. I was trying to make English style custard (it comes as a powder made of cornstarch and is made with hot milk for those Americans who haven't experienced English cuisine) and my first attempt turned out extremely runny and unpalatable although I am a good cook and followed the directions on the tin exactly. My English friend then informed me that tablespoons are significantly bigger in England and that an English pint is actually 20oz not 16oz as it is in America. Once I used the English measurements he gave me (English tablespoons are HUGE!!!), the custard turned out fine. I still think it's weird to make something called 'custard' without eggs......but I'm an American, what do I know? Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 11:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32179 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:43:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JFa9a24954; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFa7704774; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFLH728070 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:21:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.29.24467c47 (16635) for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <29.24467c47.29c8b165@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Thread cutters To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.24467c47.29c8b165_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:21:09 EST Status: RO --part1_29.24467c47.29c8b165_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/02 5:08:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes: > I still think it's nuts. England had already been declared free of Foot- > and-Mouth by that point and even if it hadn't they could have > *cleaned* the shoes, returned them to her and destroyed the mud if > they were that picky.... and then to not compensate her for the loss > I have to agree with Teddy. Paranoia is an ugly thing and this country is going a bit overboard these days. We will be lucky if we don't end up in a dictatorship in the next couple of years at the rate we are going right now. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_29.24467c47.29c8b165_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/02 5:08:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, teddy1@mdx.ac.uk writes:


I still think it's nuts.  England had already been declared free of Foot-
and-Mouth by that point and even if it hadn't they could have
*cleaned* the shoes, returned them to her and destroyed the mud if
they were that picky.... and then to not compensate her for the loss
of the shoes.... absolutely NUTS


      I have to agree with Teddy.  Paranoia is an ugly thing and this country is going a bit overboard these days.  We will be lucky if we don't end up in a dictatorship in the next couple of years at the rate we are going right now.

Lalah
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--part1_29.24467c47.29c8b165_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 11:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32183 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:44:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JFaNa24988; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFaM704901; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:36:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFMl728710 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from LLWatts@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.160.a901acd (3844) for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:22:32 -0500 (EST) From: LLWatts@aol.com Message-ID: <160.a901acd.29c8b1b8@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Subject: [h-cost] Upcoming "Stylish Ladies" exhibit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:22:32 EST Status: RO Hello everyone, >From April 6 to June 2, 2002, the Durham Western Heritage Museum in Omaha NE will have an exhibit titled "Stylish Ladies". There's not much information on the website yet, but I was down there the other day for the Lewis and Clark exhibit and the woman at the front counter said it will include dresses from the 1860's to the 1960's. It's in one of the smaller galleries, not the big one used for travelling exhibits, but if you're going to be in the area you might want to check it out. Oh, yeah, the website for further information -- http://www.dwhm.org Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 11:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32322 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:59:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JFq6a26624; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:52:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFq5712447; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:52:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2JFfg707455 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:41:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203191541.g2JFfg707455@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 60126 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 15:41:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 15:41:37 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:41:38 GMT Status: RO Seamstrix@juno.com wrote : > ...I was trying to make English > style custard (it comes as a powder made of cornstarch and is made with > hot milk for those Americans who haven't experienced English cuisine) ....I still think it's > weird to make something called 'custard' without eggs......but I'm an > American, what do I know? Think of it as "instant custard sauce". Like those packet mixes of Hollandaise sauce and so on, but bought in bulk. A few of us still know how to make "real" custard, but life is too short to stir eggs over a gentle heat when you can go "powder, milk, microwave, 3 min". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:08:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32372 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:08:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JG0Ba27538; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:00:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JG04716906; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFo4711369 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:50:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [136.152.196.142] (as3-4-156.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.142]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2JFo1X10288 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:50:02 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3C96BCCD.358C2694@dandy.net> References: <3C93D37A.63915526@post12.tele.dk> <3C96BCCD.358C2694@dandy.net> X-mailer: Eudora 4.3.2 Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] some books Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:59:38 -0800 Status: RO At 11:21 PM -0500 3/18/02, leigh tartaglio wrote: >Hi, All. Just got my David Brown/Oxbow Books catalog and wanted to point out >a few books that might be of interest to some on the list. >"The Devil's Cloth: a History of stripes and striped fabric" by Michel >Pastoureau 2001 Columbia UP 0231123663 (I suppose this is the ISBN?) $22.95 >BP 16.95 Pastoureau writes on some fascinating topics -- he has a new book on about the social history of the color blue -- but some of his philosophical positions (to say nothing about his tendency towards peculiarly fixed ideas) set my teeth on edge. "The Devil's Cloth" reads like the book of a man who designed a conclusion and then went looking for data to support it. Great pictures, though! Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:15:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32395 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:15:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JG86a28312; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:08:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JG86721330; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:08:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFtf714287 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:55:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJTSY9JXC00D9JT@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:58:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJTSXAV2200T99L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:58:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:55:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:54:34 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:54:31 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] things you fantasize to do in costume In-reply-to: <200203191544.g2JFiW708857@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <702F4D50890@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g2JFtf714287 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:54:30 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I trecked from the Hyde Park in to Her Majesty's in London and > across København in the wedding dress from Phantom of the Opera, as > well as cautch a taxi in Hamburg in the same dress. > http://recital.tripod.com/costume/weddingdress.htm But then again > I do still dress up for Halloween (actually just started, took a > long time to catch on here in NZ). Excellent! > Rocky Horror is going to be performed here later this year, and I was > so geared up to go, but Kevin Smith was supposed to play Frank, and > now he is dead. So sad, I don't think they have yet decided who will > replace him. I hope you'll go to see it anyway... and in costume too! Teddy Bibliographical Services Middlesex University Bounds Green Road London N11 2NQ Tel: (020) 8362 6405 E-mail: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32401 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:16:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JG8Ea28328; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:08:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JG8D721421; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:08:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe81.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.223]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFuq715140 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:56:46 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.28.5] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: metric measurements MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CF1B.9A46EA90" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 15:56:46.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC478BD0:01C1CF5E] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:56:40 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CF1B.9A46EA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Goodness, is that how it goes? I've been sort of following this thread, = mostly deleting it, because..well, because I find it so weird to have dif= ferent increments like this. The names of the increments *sound* really orderly and logical, but I don= 't know the actual *physical* amount. It's like languages. And if you r= eally think about it, It's about language. So, is a millimeter equivalent to an 1/8 inch? or is it smaller? Or big= ger? *sigh* I guess I have to just make sure I *never* lose my measuring tools that h= ave both measuring systems on them. Or (because I did a lot of deleting)= is there going to be another measurement system? Gia/Giacinta the math challenged ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: metric measurements Come now, Teddy! It's not that hard: millimeter centimenter decimeter meter dekameter hectometer kilometer Substitute grams or liters for meters, and you have the same increments o= f measurement. So a hectogram is 100 grams. I don't have a clue how much a hectogram of, say, flour would be (partly because I have no idea how much a gram of flour is). But I have to admit = it has a nice orderliness to it. I know how much a cup of flour is. But how much is a quart? I always have to look it up. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CF1B.9A46EA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Goodness, is t= hat how it goes?  I've been sort of following this thread, mostly de= leting it, because..well, because I find it so weird to have different in= crements like this.
 
The names of the increme= nts *sound* really orderly and logical, but I don't know the actual *phys= ical* amount.  It's like languages.  And if you really think ab= out it, It's about language.
 
So, is a millim= eter equivalent to an 1/8 inch?  or is it smaller?  Or bigger?<= /DIV>
 
*sigh*
 
I guess = I have to just make sure I *never* lose my measuring tools that have both= measuring systems on them.  Or (because I did a lot of deleting) is= there going to be another measurement system?
 
Gia/Giacinta
the math challenged
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gail & Scott = Finke
Sent: Monday, March 18= , 2002 4:01 PM
To: h-costume= @indra.com
Subject: [h-cost]= Re: metric measurements
 

Come now, Teddy! It's= not that hard:

millimeter
centimenter
decimeter
meterdekameter
hectometer
kilometer

Substitute grams or liters f= or meters, and you have the same increments of
measurement. So a hecto= gram is 100 grams.

I don't have a clue how much a hectogram of, sa= y, flour would be (partly
because I have no idea how much a gram of fl= our is). But I have to admit it
has a nice orderliness to it. I know h= ow much a cup of flour is. But how
much is a quart? I always have to l= ook it up.

Gail Finke


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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1CF1B.9A46EA90-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:16:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32400 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:16:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JG8Ja28354; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:08:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JG8H721473; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JFxd716712 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:59:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KFJTXYJ9KW00YH2C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk ([158.94.56.3]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KFJTXUKYXA00WF8I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:02:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:59:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:58:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.64) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:58:53 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements In-reply-to: <200203191544.g2JFiW708857@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <70307A314AB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:58:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >> But how much is a quart? I always have to look it up. > > >Not a measurement used in England either. > > Oh, yes it is! It's two pints, though, admittedly, seldom referred to > nowadays. Four quarts = 1 gallon Really? Thanks Kate! I've never heard of it being used here before though I've come across plenty of references to it in American films and TV shows. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:23:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32449 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:23:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JGG7a29244; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGG6726094; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:16:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from hotmail.com (oe119.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JG6t720677 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:06:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:06:50 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [67.226.28.5] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CF1D.01E4D620" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Mar 2002 16:06:50.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[13FC33B0:01C1CF60] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:06:43 -0800 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CF1D.01E4D620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an american, the instant lifestyle is really getting to be so universa= l. I still have folks who are amazed that I love to cook from scratch...= but that's ok. I have a really good reason! My youngest has food allerg= ies and the best way to make sure the food doesn't have what she's allerg= ic to, is to make it from scratch. And a major bonus: I find it usually *tastes* better. To get this onto = a costume note, I find it so satisfying to make food 'period' to eat whil= e I and my family and friends enjoy the repast in costumes. Feasts from = another time, a wonderful respite from the hectic, crazy world to really = unwind and indulge in crafts such as needlepoint, pottery or other things= while the food is cooking or to enjoy the company of my friends in the k= itchen as we all do things for the feast. That's sounds sooooo silly, but I gotta take my relief when and how I can= ...My life is crazy and horrible (at times) to need this. Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Williams Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:58 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Jane Williams Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements Seamstrix@juno.com wrote : > ...I was trying to make English > style custard (it comes as a powder made of cornstarch and is made with > hot milk for those Americans who haven't experienced English cuisine) .= ...I still think it's > weird to make something called 'custard' without eggs......but I'm an > American, what do I know? Think of it as "instant custard sauce". Like those packet mixes of Hollan= daise sauce and so on, but bought in bulk. A few of us still know how to = make "real" custard, but life is too short to stir eggs over a gentle hea= t when you can go "powder, milk, microwave, 3 min". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CF1D.01E4D620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
<= DIV>As an american, the instant lifestyle is really getting to be so univ= ersal.  I still have folks who are amazed that I love to cook from s= cratch...but that's ok.  I have a really good reason!  My young= est has food allergies and the best way to make sure the food doesn't hav= e what she's allergic to, is to make it from scratch.
 
And a major bonus:  I find it usually *tastes* better.&nbs= p; To get this onto a costume note, I find it so satisfying to make food = 'period' to eat while I and my family and friends enjoy the repast in cos= tumes.  Feasts from another time, a wonderful respite from the hecti= c, crazy world to really unwind and indulge in crafts such as needlepoint= , pottery or other things while the food is cooking or to enjoy the compa= ny of my friends in the kitchen as we all do things for the feast.
=
 
That's sounds sooooo silly, but I gotta take my re= lief when and how I can...My life is crazy and horrible (at times) to nee= d this.
 
Gia/Giacinta
-= ---- Original Message -----
From: Jane Williams
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:58 AM
To: h-costume@indra.com
Cc: Jane Williams
Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements
 
Seamstrix@juno.com wrote :

> ...I was trying to m= ake English
> style custard (it comes as a powder made of cornstarc= h and is made with
> hot milk for those Americans who haven't exper= ienced English cuisine) ....I still think it's
> weird to make some= thing called 'custard' without eggs......but I'm an
> American, wha= t do I know?

Think of it as "instant custard sauce". Like those pa= cket mixes of Hollandaise sauce and so on, but bought in bulk. A few of u= s still know how to make "real" custard, but life is too short to stir eg= gs over a gentle heat when you can go "powder, milk, microwave, 3 min".




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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1CF1D.01E4D620-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:40:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00339 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:40:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JGWea01311; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:32:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGWc705988; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:32:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from web21401.mail.yahoo.com (web21401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2JGL9728892 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:21:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <20020319162054.91150.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web21401.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:20:53 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020319.090930.-194793.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:20:53 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Karen True custard is made with eggs (even in England). What you were making sounds like Bird's Custard Powder, which is everyday type custard rather than the fancy egg custard, or at least it is in my house. Bird's was made by a Victorian gentleman whose wife was allergic to eggs and so couldn't have custard. He invented this egg free powder that you add to milk and hey presto instant custard was born. It's lovely stuff and my other half with happily eat a bowl of the stuff on its own! Strange though about the pints and tablespoons I assumed that they would be the same. So how large is an American tablespoon? Rachel --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > I recently had an interesting experience in the subtle differences > between British and American measurements. I was trying to make English > style custard (it comes as a powder made of cornstarch and is made with > hot milk for those Americans who haven't experienced English cuisine) and > my first attempt turned out extremely runny and unpalatable although I am > a good cook and followed the directions on the tin exactly. My English > friend then informed me that tablespoons are significantly bigger in > England and that an English pint is actually 20oz not 16oz as it is in > America. Once I used the English measurements he gave me (English > tablespoons are HUGE!!!), the custard turned out fine. I still think it's > weird to make something called 'custard' without eggs......but I'm an > American, what do I know? > > > Karen > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00344 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:41:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JGWxa01395; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:32:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGWx706217; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:32:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGLv729301 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:21:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 6.cb.1f2d32d1 (16635) for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:21:43 -0500 (EST) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: metric measurements To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cb.1f2d32d1.29c8bf97_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10552 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 11:21:43 EST Status: RO --part1_cb.1f2d32d1.29c8bf97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> A millimeter is less than half of an eighth of an inch. When you stop and think about it, the metric system is really easier than the inches and pints and teaspoons we use here in the US. There are twelve inches in a foot and three feet in a yard. There are ten millimeters in a centimeter and a hundred centimeters in a meter. Then when you start with teaspoons, pints, gallons, ounces and so forth, all with their own different ways of graduating it is amazing that we ever learned it at all. Graduating everything by ten is so much easier. I am a 67 year old US citizen, born and raised, but I like the metric system better than this jumble we deal with. OK, now I will sit back and take my beating. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_cb.1f2d32d1.29c8bf97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<So, is a millimeter equivalent to an 1/8 inch?  or is it smaller?  Or bigger?>>

      A millimeter is less than half of an eighth of an inch.  When you stop and think about it, the metric system is really easier than the inches and pints and teaspoons we use here in the US.  There are twelve inches in a foot and three feet in a yard.  There are ten millimeters in a centimeter and a hundred centimeters in a meter.  Then when you start with teaspoons, pints, gallons, ounces and so forth, all with their own different ways of graduating it is amazing that we ever learned it at all.  Graduating everything by ten is so much easier.

      I am a 67 year old US citizen, born and raised, but I like the metric system better than this jumble we deal with.  OK, now I will sit back and take my beating.  

Lalah
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--part1_cb.1f2d32d1.29c8bf97_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 12:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00383 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:51:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JGhCa02765; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGhA713243; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:43:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from smithers.nildram.co.uk (smithers.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2JGTE704014 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:29:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200203191629.g2JGTE704014@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 73426 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2002 16:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (195.112.4.97) by smithers.nildram.co.uk with SMTP; 19 Mar 2002 16:29:09 -0000 To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: metric measurements From: Jane Williams Cc: Jane Williams X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Jane Williams List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:29:09 GMT Status: RO Gia Gavino wrote : > So, is a millimeter equivalent to an 1/8 inch?  or is it smaller?  Or bigger? Well, I remember there are 2-and-a-bit centimetres to an inch. So there must be *about* 24 millimetres to an inch. And an eighth of 24 is three: so an eighth is about 3 mm? Holding two multi-system rulers against each other: yes, that looks about right. BTW, a related thought. The material we use for counted crosstitch is measured in Holes Per Inch (HPI), with 14 being the standard, 18 being popular, and so on. Do countries that use purely metric systems have different fabrics? Or do you end up with 5.51 Holes Per Centimetre? Or what? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 13:01:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00447 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:01:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JGria04280; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGri720202; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:53:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGi4713847 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:44:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2JGhqT18226 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:43:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00aa01c1cf65$510df400$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <70307A314AB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:44:16 -0800 Status: RO > Really? Thanks Kate! I've never heard of it being used here before > though I've come across plenty of references to it in American films > and TV shows. A quart is a farely common unit in the US. Milk (and other liquids) tend ot be sold by the quart, half gallon and gallon. Paint is sold by the quart and gallon, etc. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Mar 19 13:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00549 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:11:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g2JH3Ja05387; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:03:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JH3H726158; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:03:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from equinox.unr.edu (equinox.unr.edu [134.197.1.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2JGlX716191 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 09:47:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from dfenwicklaptop (dan-test-station.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.215]) by equinox.unr.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2JGlLT19788 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:47:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00b001c1cf65$cd9009a0$0098fea9@ed.unr.edu> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <20020319162054.91150.qmail@web21401.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] metric measurements MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:47:48 -0800 Status: RO > Strange though about the pints and tablespoons I assumed that they would be the same. So how > large is an American tablespoon? A pint is 16 ounces and a table spoon is 3 teaspoons. Now, manufacturers of silver ware have started making both types of spoons shallower, so the spoons that come with your silverware don't actually hold as much as they did 20 years ago. But, measuring spoons are still the same amounts. 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