From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 09:32:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19321 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:32:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61DEhC23479; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61DEfQ13208; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21504.mail.yahoo.com (web21504.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g61D2rQ10208 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020701130253.78106.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.22.45] by web21504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:02:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Dye help UK style Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:02:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I've got a snafu on my hands and need to dye an outfit with about 15 meters of various fabrics in it. Haven't dyed anything since I was a kid and nothing on this scale :0 Outer layer is 100% cotton. Inner lining is cotton flannel. Lining is silk. Can anyone advise me on how to do this with UK products and a frontload washing machine? Thanks, Marcus/Mangal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 10:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19455 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61DsRC25306; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61DsQQ24598; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61Df4Q20361 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61Devt09546; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:40:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207011340.g61Devt09546@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye help UK style From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:40:57 BST Status: RO Marcus Findlay-arthur wrote : > Can anyone advise me on how to do this with UK > products and a frontload washing machine? Teddy undoubtedly could: but he's got a major flood of work at the moment and probably won't be reading his emails for a bit. Can it wait till he recovers? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 10:15:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19462 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61DvPC25497; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61DvNQ25560; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61DVMQ17722 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-120-176.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.120.176]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AHX14416; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:31:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <011d01c22104$94e64560$b0784ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye help UK style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:38:26 +0100 Status: RO >Outer layer is 100% cotton. Inner lining is cotton flannel. Lining is silk. However you dye it if it is made up like this the results will not have one consistant colour Is it 15m to go into your machine ? If so don't take it to a local dyehose unless you are OK about unlevel dyeing. Sorry Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 10:47:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19567 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:47:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61ETnC27576; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61ETkQ07233; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blondie.gower.net (blondie.gower.net [205.230.30.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61E9kQ29592 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gower.net (user-19.annex-03.tyler.tx.gower.net [208.218.191.116]) by blondie.gower.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g61E9h123706 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:09:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Message-ID: <3D206256.B2CD8D3D@gower.net> From: Vicki Betts X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Webpage for ACW era Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: vbetts@gower.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:08:22 -0500 Status: RO I would like to invite H-Costume members to take a look at my new webpage--http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts. So far it includes three main parts--newspaper articles (mostly Southern, searchable either by word or chronologically by title, plus a few subjects pulled together such as "homespun" or "knitted items"), a Godey's index for 1855-1865 (also searchable by word or by particular volume), and a bibliography of books, articles, theses, dissertations, calendars, and CD-ROMS for civilian clothing, 1840-1865, mostly American, all English language. Vicki Betts vbetts@gower.net http://www.uttyl.edu/vbetts _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 11:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19730 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:23:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61F5lC00677; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:05:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61F5iQ22774; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6168HQ26622 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.153]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020701060812.EWUT15755.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:08:12 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020701010926.02e14890@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020629113027.00d80560@pop.directcon.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 01:12:37 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, One of the paintings I noticed that has the most "wench" like look is the Judith with the Head of Holofernes, 1512.http://www.civictrustwales.demon.co.uk/a205/lotto/early_years.html The bodice is cut under the bust and looks a lot like some of the "wench" outfits I've seen. It could be someone saw this and forgot (or didn't know) that one doesn't take religious or allegorical images as "fact." As for when the whole trend started in faires & reenactment? I have no idea. : ) Cheers, Danielle At 11:30 AM 6/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to trace the history of the "wench" costume meant to represent >16th century lower class women's clothing. I've had good luck finding the >origins of the style, in woodcuts and painting, and there's ample >documentation for late 20th century interpretation thereof. > >What I'm looking for now is some evidence of when the style crystalized >into a conventional "costume". It seems to have been present from the >earliest days of Hollywood, so I'm suspecting I should look earlier, >possibly in the 19th century. Can anyone recommend books, websites, etc, >that might help? > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 11:27:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19763 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:27:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61F9hC01095; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61F9fQ24827; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:09:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61EvDQ18648 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:57:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb02la (unverified [10.1.201.102]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:53:42 -0700 thread-index: AcIhDxekcjgqWWuKSnObRela2EqnGg== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dye help UK style From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye help UK style Message-ID: <024301c2210f$17a72050$66c9010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0244_01C220D4.6B484850" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:53:42 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0244_01C220D4.6B484850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had great success with Dylon dyes for machine - but in order to get a really strong colour you often need more than one pack. These also only work on cellulose fibres - cotton, linen, rayon. Synthetic fibres need another sort of dye altogether, and I don't have any experience of dying with these. Wool I wouldn't dye in the machine. Dylon dyes are readily available in all sorts of places in the UK: haberdashers, hardware shops, some supermarkets, market stalls. Just keep looking. They probably have a website. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk > Sent: 7/1/2002 11:12:57 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye help UK style > > Marcus Findlay-arthur wrote : > > Can anyone advise me on how to do this with UK > products and a frontload washing machine? > > Teddy undoubtedly could: but he's got a major flood of work at the moment and probably won't be > reading his emails for a bit. Can it wait till he recovers? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0244_01C220D4.6B484850 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have had great success with Dylon dyes for machine - but in order to get a really strong colour you often need more than one pack. These also only work on cellulose fibres - cotton, linen, rayon. Synthetic fibres need another sort of dye altogether, and I don't have any experience of dying with these. Wool I wouldn't dye in the machine.

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------=_NextPart_000_0244_01C220D4.6B484850-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 11:43:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19861 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:43:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61FPaC02525; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61FPQQ03006; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61FJJQ29710 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g61FJCr10674; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:19:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207011519.g61FJCr10674@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye help UK style From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:19:12 BST Status: RO Freyalyn wrote : > Dylon dyes are readily available in all sorts of places in the UK: haberdashers, hardware shops, some supermarkets, market stalls. Just keep looking. Woolworths stock them. > They probably have a website. http://www.dylon.co.uk/ And very informative, too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 12:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20083 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:46:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61GS9C10045; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GS1D11170; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GClD01447 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYK00JMTVPB8P@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires In-reply-to: <20020629181149.20558.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020701082952.00c4b840@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020628180211.00a6ff00@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:33:59 -0700 Status: RO >It is sometimes difficult to be specific when the foreign language vocabulary >is missing :-) >anyway, the loops that you see are actually thread loops, attached to leg-less >glasses. they were like what in germany is called a 'zwicker', glasses that >were pinched onto the bridge of the nose without any earpieces, but some >attached thread loops which were looped around the ears. Helped a little >bit to >keepthem up. >the modern idea of earpieces in the form of 'legs' attached to the actual >'zwicker' glass piece, which can be opened and closed, is mid 18th century. > >I hope my strange use of odd vocabulary makes more sense now... Even the native-English-speaking folks were confusing on this point. So none of the hard side pieces that just go over the ears, only soft ear-loops. So I could take a pair of modern glasses, where the lens-holding front parts were the right shape, take off the hard side-pieces, and put on soft ear-loops instead. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 12:52:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20097 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:52:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61GYgC10726; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GYfD14801; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GCmD01452 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYK00JMTVPB8P@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20020629113027.00d80560@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020701083421.00c49100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:59:01 -0700 Status: RO Look into folk costume worn in Europe in the 1800s. Start with that Victorian book by Braun and Schneider (Dover reprinted it as 'Historic Costume in Pictures'). You will find a few late 1700s outfits and many many 1800s outfits that have the same basic bodice-shirt-skirt combination. The German 'dirndl' is an example. Folkwear's ethnic vest pattern shows several more examples. The crystallization you speak of happened in the mid-1800s, along with things like German Nationalism, when industrialization, and cosmopolitan city life, were seen to be melting down (western European) ethnic differences. Many folk costumes were 'revived' at that time, to give the various Europeans a sense of their (nationalistic) roots. Some single example of what the locals used to wear was chosen to represent the way things were, and many of them fossilized into 'Regional Costume' at that point (think what Ren Fair did to the sum total of what people wore in Elizabeth I's reign, and you've got the picture). Grimm's fairy tales were collected, Joan of Arc was canonized, Wagner was writing operas, Neuschwanstein was built, and the Gothic Revival and Pre-Raphaelite movements were active (among other things), because of this same urge. >I'm trying to trace the history of the "wench" costume meant to represent >16th century lower class women's clothing. I've had good luck finding the >origins of the style, in woodcuts and painting, and there's ample >documentation for late 20th century interpretation thereof. > >What I'm looking for now is some evidence of when the style crystalized >into a conventional "costume". It seems to have been present from the >earliest days of Hollywood, so I'm suspecting I should look earlier, >possibly in the 19th century. Can anyone recommend books, websites, etc, >that might help? > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 12:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20107 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61Ge7C11527; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61Ge6D17988; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GCnD01463 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYK00JMTVPB8P@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Info regarding nun's habits... In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020701090330.00c47570@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:07:45 -0700 Status: RO >The reason I'm >interested in it's construction (as opposed to the spiffy 19th century >veil arrangement) is that it looks darn close to a 16th century >french hood. Nuns' veils were what married women were wearing when the particular order was founded, as re-interpreted over time. So this may well be derived from a 16th century example. >If anyone has any information on where I can find out how this veil >might be constructed (I'm not worried about authenticity at this >point), I'd love to hear it! I saw some nuns in my neighborhood the >other day wearing just such a hood, but I felt it might be >inappropriate to strike up a conversation and ask to see their >headgear inside and out... I encountered a Carmelite, in full dress, in a craft store in California, and did just that. I tried to sound like a student of historical costuming, not just a goggle-eyed tourist. She was very co-operative, and informative. While she didn't remove any garment, she told me names of the various layers, and when her order was founded. Her habit did look vaguely like a married lady of that period. (This was years ago, and I have forgotten all the pertinent information.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 13:33:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20221 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:33:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61HFcC14914; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61HFbD09695; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GCnD01474 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYK00JMTVPB8P@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:12:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires In-reply-to: <200207011055.g61AtjqQ029492@grape.dcsi.net.au> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020701090822.00c4ae70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3D1F24AC.30803@oldwaylane.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:09:20 -0700 Status: RO >But still I love amber it is so pretty and versatile and one can do so >much with it. But it's the wrong colour for some of us to look good in. I own some, of my grandmothers', but I never wear it. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 13:46:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20266 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:46:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61HR3C16121; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61HR2D16056; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g61HBsD07614 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020701171153.50642.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:11:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020701082952.00c4b840@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:11:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > Even the native-English-speaking folks were confusing on this point. So > none of the hard side pieces that just go over the ears, only soft > ear-loops. So I could take a pair of modern glasses, where the > lens-holding front parts were the right shape, take off the hard > side-pieces, and put on soft ear-loops instead. You might find though that they will slip terribly because they weren't made to sit on the bridge of the nose. They will probably be too wide there. It's worth a try though. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 13:51:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20307 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:51:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61HWZC16757; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61HWYD19257; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61HEWD09082 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17P4kw-000NXe-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:14:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume References: <3.0.6.32.20020629113027.00d80560@pop.directcon.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:31:47 +0100 Status: RO Does this book have a design for Edward III and Phillippa of Hainault? I've always loved Queen Victoria's version of this, with a fur-edged sideless surcoat over a crinoline. I'd be tickled if she got it from a book! Jean Robin Netherton wrote > >On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > >> What I'm looking for now is some evidence of when the style >> crystalized into a conventional "costume". It seems to have been >> present from the earliest days of Hollywood, so I'm suspecting I >> should look earlier, possibly in the 19th century. Can anyone >> recommend books, websites, etc, that might help? > >For one stop along the path, you might check rare book rooms for a >Victorian book called "Fancy Dresses Described" by Ardern Holt. This first >came out in the late 1870s as a how-to manual for ladies going to costume >balls, which were enormously popular at this time. The copy I examined in >the Newberry Library in Chicago was a fifth edition (1887), so it was >obviously a popular book! That one had some hand-colored plates, though >I've seen cheaper copies that did not. I wouldn't be surprised if you >could find a copy here and there on open shelving in some university >libraries or old city libraries. > >The book included instructions for dressing up as various historical >characters (Queen Elizabeth, Joan of Arc, Mary Queen of Scots), literary >characters, generic occupational types, birds, plants, insects, and even >inanimate objects (e.g. you become the allegory of a tea set or a deck of >cards). These various costumes were apparently recognizable enough to have >standard treatments, which were codified in the book. I wouldn't be >surprised if there's some equivalent to your "wench" in there, perhaps >under "tavern maid" or something. > >The costumes aren't at all historically accurate, though the author swears >for the book's "correctness of descriptions and accuracy of details." >They're essentially Victorian dresses jazzed up with details that evoke >the Victorian idea of a particular period or place. The "medieval" >description includes things like "pink gauze" and a "short skirt of >striped red and white silk." For one 16th-century character, the author >points out that the description is painstakingly based on a historical >painting -- but the painting in question is from 1832! > >Which brings me to another place to look: Victorian historical paintings. >This is *before* the pre-Raphaelites. Medieval and Renaissance images were >very popular painting at this time, and certain "looks" were formalized in >the genre. You'll find a few such paintings reproduced in "The Return to >Camelot," a history of the Victorian British love affair with the >medieval; you may not find a "wench," but you'll get the names of some >painters whose works may be worth tracking down. > >Another place to look is illustrated children's books from this period. >Certain fairy-tale "types," including the lower-class attractive female, >were standardized in book illustration long before Hollywood. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 1 14:38:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20504 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:38:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g61IKiC21365; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61IKgD15827; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:20:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61I64D08262 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31354 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:29:45 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:29:45 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > Does this book have a design for Edward III and Phillippa of Hainault? > I've always loved Queen Victoria's version of this, with a fur-edged > sideless surcoat over a crinoline. I'd be tickled if she got it from > a book! I don't know if there's something in the book for these monarchs -- very possibly there is. But that particular dress was designed for Queen Victoria, at her request, for her Plantagenet ball of 1842, more than 30 years before "Fancy Dresses Described" was published. Victoria's costume designer, James Robinson Planche, was a theater designer and heraldic scholar; he wrote entertainments and produced pageants, and considered himself an antiquarian as well. (His autobiography, which runs to multiple volumes, makes clear he did not underestimate his own brilliance.) Planche is a familiar enough name to costumers because he established himself as the foremost British costume expert of the 19th century. In 1834, he published a "new and improved" (his words) edition of Strutt's landmark costume history of 1796. (My own opinion: It was NOT an improvement.) Planche's own costume book came out in 1847, with a new edition in 1881. I occasionally find it, or his "Cyclopedia of Costume," on open shelves at old libraries. Planche is not a particularly good source for medieval costume, as he tended to make up information to fill in gaps in the evidence. (Unfortunately many of his assumptions and inventions persist even today in costume books.) But he is a very good source for the Victorian interpretation of medieval costume, since his work defined much of the movement. I believe you can see a portrait of Victoria and Albert in Planche's Plantaganet costumes, as well as others of Planche's costume designs for the Plantaganet ball, in "The Return to Camelot" by Girourard. (The development of costume scholarship is one of my favorite research areas.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08200 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:02:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HhrC23412; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HhlD23251; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GCoD01484 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYK00JMTVPB8P@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dye help UK style In-reply-to: <20020701130253.78106.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020701090939.00c4b500@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:10:14 -0700 Status: RO >I've got a snafu on my hands and need to dye an outfit >with about 15 meters of various fabrics in it. >Haven't dyed anything since I was a kid and nothing on >this scale :0 > >Outer layer is 100% cotton. >Inner lining is cotton flannel. >Lining is silk. > >Can anyone advise me on how to do this with UK >products and a frontload washing machine? Dylon. I wish I could still get it here in California. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08362 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:11:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HkVC23811; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HkMD25427; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61GflD18965 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from LalahTT@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.158.1031a929 (4116) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:41:38 -0400 (EDT) From: LalahTT@aol.com Message-ID: <158.1031a929.2a51e042@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.1031a929.2a51e042_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:41:38 EDT Status: RO --part1_158.1031a929.2a51e042_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/1/02 6:13:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, judymitch@oldwaylane.net writes: > > I'm still wondering how easy it would be/would have been to > slice the amber thin enough to look through As an experienced amateur lapidary, I can tell you that amber is so soft it can be worked with woodworking tools. It isn't brittle and there is no reason it couldn't be sliced thin if that is what you want and can find a piece large enough. However, it would be hard to find a piece clear enough as it is filled with bits and pieces of debris and bubbles. The slicing would be easy, but the polishing it would be a pain -- possible, but not fun. Just polishing an amber cab is a challenge if you try to use regular lapidary equipment. It just wants to melt. Lalah Never Give up, Never Surrender, - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Looking for a great gift? Check out Beary Classy Bears at http://hometown.aol.com/bearyclassybears/myhomepage/sale.html --part1_158.1031a929.2a51e042_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/1/02 6:13:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, judymitch@oldwaylane.net writes:

   I'm still wondering how easy it would be/would have been to
slice the amber thin enough to look through
      As an experienced amateur lapidary, I can tell you that amber is so soft it can be worked with woodworking tools.  It isn't brittle and there is no reason it couldn't be sliced thin if that is what you want and can find a piece large enough.  However, it would be hard to find a piece clear enough as it is filled with bits and pieces of debris and bubbles.  The slicing would be easy, but the polishing it would be a pain -- possible, but not fun.  Just polishing an amber cab is a challenge if you try to use regular lapidary equipment.  It just wants to melt.

Lalah
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--part1_158.1031a929.2a51e042_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:12:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08386 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:12:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HokC24558; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HoVD28988; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61JK5D17867 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303b ([12.238.186.49]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020701191959.TYRV15755.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@c59303b> for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:19:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c22133$c550c9d0$31baee0c@c59303b> From: "chiara" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:12:18 -0500 Status: RO Not to mention that all his books cost over 500.00 if you can even find a copy! There used to be a bookseller offering to see it to me for over a year swearing that it had great glove documentation in it. Too much money for me to spend and cannot justify. Robin, can you look at the book again and tell if it has anything about gloves? It was perpetually out here in the Collin County library system and now it is totally off the lists. :( Ches ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume ---------------snip---------------------- > > costume designer, James Robinson Planche, was a theater > designer and heraldic scholar; he wrote entertainments and produced > pageants, and considered himself an antiquarian as well. (His > autobiography, which runs to multiple volumes, makes clear he did not > underestimate his own brilliance.) Planche is a familiar enough name to > costumers because he established himself as the foremost British costume > expert of the 19th century. In 1834, he published a "new and improved" > (his words) edition of Strutt's landmark costume history of 1796. (My own > opinion: It was NOT an improvement.) Planche's own costume book came out > in 1847, with a new edition in 1881. I occasionally find it, or his > "Cyclopedia of Costume," on open shelves at old libraries. > > Planche is not a particularly good source for medieval costume, as he > tended to make up information to fill in gaps in the evidence. > (Unfortunately many of his assumptions and inventions persist even today > in costume books.) But he is a very good source for the Victorian > interpretation of medieval costume, since his work defined much of the > movement. > > I believe you can see a portrait of Victoria and Albert in Planche's > Plantaganet costumes, as well as others of Planche's costume designs for > the Plantaganet ball, in "The Return to Camelot" by Girourard. > > (The development of costume scholarship is one of my favorite research > areas.) > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:12:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08390 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:12:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HqJC24795; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Hp7D29531; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61LV7D03164 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:31:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.25.29e20c25 (3312) for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:30:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <25.29e20c25.2a522411@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost): good pictures of extant garments... TIP! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.29e20c25.2a522411_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:30:57 EDT Status: RO --part1_25.29e20c25.2a522411_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/21/02 7:32:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sherylnd@sound.net writes: > I actually wrote an article on Inter Library Loan services for > Mary Denise Smith's "Costume & Dressmaker" magazine a few > years back. Until I started doing the research for it, I had no > idea how much money my own library spent on shipping costs > to send books out around the country. And salaries for > three full-time people to run it. All for a free service. All so that our > patrons can get the books that we don't have here. > Sheryl, Do you have a copy of that article you wrote? I would love to read it. Kit --part1_25.29e20c25.2a522411_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 6/21/02 7:32:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sherylnd@sound.net writes:


I actually wrote an article on Inter Library Loan services for
Mary Denise Smith's "Costume & Dressmaker" magazine a few
years back. Until I started doing the research for it, I had no
idea how much money my own library spent on shipping costs
to send books out around the country. And salaries for
three full-time people to run it. All for a free service. All so that our
patrons can get the books that we don't have here.


Sheryl,

Do you have a copy of that article you wrote?  I would love to read it.

Kit
--part1_25.29e20c25.2a522411_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:12:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08392 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:12:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Hq0C24773; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:53:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HosD29307; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f189.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.189]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61KHKD19760 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:17:14 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:17:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 20:17:14.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A2BBD10:01C2213C] Subject: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:17:14 -0700 Status: RO This isn't about costume directly but it is about historical food. And what's a historical feast without historic costume, I ask you! (A naked lunch (but that's another story.)) This exciting article in the Manchester Guardian from Thursday, passed along on another list: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1838714,00.html Gee, I wonder if we know any English librarians who could get close to this... ;-) MaggiRos _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:27:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08527 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:27:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HohC24539; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HoRD28936; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61J7DD10744 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip59.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.59] (may be forged)) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g61J7A525603 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Message-ID: <3D2047DF.11268.F390097@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:15:27 -0700 Status: RO > Planche is not a particularly good source for medieval costume, as he > tended to make up information to fill in gaps in the evidence. > (Unfortunately many of his assumptions and inventions persist even > today in costume books.) But he is a very good source for the > Victorian interpretation of medieval costume, since his work defined > much of the movement. Amen to that. Same with Braun and Schneider, Racinet and that ilk. Another one who had a tendency to "fill in the gaps" is Diderot. While he has some good stuff for the 18th Century (when he wrote *his* encyclopedia), the earlier periods are pretty scary. Yet, like Planche, his inventions and assumptions are quoted endlessly in costume books. Norris quotes both of them extensively. One of the things that the lady who I was apprenticed to did for me is to have me read (beginning to end, not just my favorite time period) a long list of "standard" costume books. (Kelly & Schwabe, Norris, Davenport, Boucher, Kohler, von Boehn, etc. It was a list of over 20 authors, some of which have several books, like Norris and von Boehn.) It really gave me an interesting perspective on costuming books. It also made me learn to question almost everything I find written as being "the way" to make something. You start seeing (especially if you know the date the book was written) how the costumers of the time saw things and how much gets crystallized by being endlessly quoted (even when very much wrong.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:27:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08531 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:27:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HqgC24832; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HpRD29856; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61NqgD28702 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYL009MYGZTCC@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires In-reply-to: <20020701171153.50642.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020701163440.00c84dc0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020701082952.00c4b840@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:52:37 -0700 Status: RO > > Even the native-English-speaking folks were confusing on this point. So > > none of the hard side pieces that just go over the ears, only soft > > ear-loops. So I could take a pair of modern glasses, where the > > lens-holding front parts were the right shape, take off the hard > > side-pieces, and put on soft ear-loops instead. > >You might find though that they will slip terribly because they weren't >made to >sit on the bridge of the nose. They will probably be too wide there. It's >worth >a try though. Once I figured out that the hard side-pieces could go, I realized that any other aspect of the frames could be modified too. So if they refused to seat snugly on my nose, I could reshape the nose pads till they did, using Fimo, or that two-part Epoxy mending putty sold to handyman-plumbers. A tiny pair of felt pads would keep all the modeling stuff away from my skin, in case I had a chemical reaction to it. (Thrift stores are a good source of cheap frames, unless your eye doctor says he/she can't fit lenses to them.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08550 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:30:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63ICJC27926; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HpZD29995; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from joplin.siteprotect.com (joplin.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.58]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g620JcD07801 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from genteelarts (user192.net103.pa.sprint-hsd.net [65.164.19.192]) by joplin.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20524 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:19:32 -0500 From: "cschmitt@genteelarts" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Conference on Mid-Nineteenth Century Clothing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:19:29 -0400 Status: RO Those of you interested in mid-nineteenth century clothing and culture might be interested in this information. The information is being posted to several lists; my apologies if you receive multiple copies. The Ninth Annual Ladies of the 1860s Conference will be held on March 7-9, 2003 in Harrisburg, PA. The conference offers presentations on a variety of topics relating to the clothing and culture of the mid-nineteenth century. The program also includes pre-conference seminars (both hands-on and lecture/demonstration), a juried vendor area, continually changing displays of original garments, undergarments, accessories, jewelry and other items of material culture, a competition for the best reproduction of a period bonnet, and a juried vendor area. The 2003 conference will also include presentations and workshops on men’s clothing, and special packages for gentlemen and junior members are available. Complete details including descriptions of the presentations and workshops, hotel information, and registration fees can be found at our web site www.genteelarts.com Please feel free to contact me with any questions. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:30:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08551 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HrGC24888; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HpWD29939; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx12.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g62091D04449 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx12.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 39052115 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c2215c$98027180$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] respectable woman of Geneva Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:08:27 -0500 Status: RO In my Patterns of Fashion (1560 - 1620) on page 6 there is a picture of a "respectable woman of Geneva" from Habitus Praecipuorum Propulorum by Hans Weigel & Jost Amman. Does anyone know of a better picture? I cannot find any online, but was hoping someone else might have found one. I am especially interested in her headwear, if anyone can make that out. Thanks! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:32:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08563 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:32:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HobC24517; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HoOD28887; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5P5tQE24079 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020625055521.GXWE15755.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2002 05:55:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c21c0c$e3457340$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Bath Museum of Costume - revamped web site Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:55:19 -0700 Status: RO The Museum of Costume in Bath has revamped their website -- better design, and some nicer photos of some of their collection: http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/ I stumbled across "The Costume Drama Game" on their site, which is one of those "dress the mannequin in the appropriate historical clothing" Java games... It has some REALLY weird clothes for each period -- the 1790's figure is supposed to wear a robe a la francaise and really weird hat, the 1830's figure ends up being "correctly" dressed in something that looks way more 1890's to me, and I have NO IDEA what's going on with the 1800 figure's dress (looks 1830's to me!). Anway, check it out. It's odd. The direct URL for the game is: http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/htmlContent/game.htm - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:34:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08577 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HoKC24455; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HoGD28765; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5LERYq26992 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:27:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA44417 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.net Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costuming Page has moved Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Guys, long time no chat. Just wanted to drop you a line--my Elizabethan Costuming page has moved, from http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets to the much more mnemonic location of http://costume.dm.net/ . This new site is much, much larger. It veritably echos. So I'm extending an offer: if anyone on the lst has a costume-related paper, article, or currently homeless web article, drop me a line. I know there are many of you out there with great papers & articles on a variety of costume topics, but who don't have web page access or the HTML savvy to convert your articles from Word format into a web-viewable one. And there are others, I'm sure, who are sick and tired of hosting their articles on geocities, tripod, or other pop-up-window type sites. Enjoy the new site and I hope to be back on the list soon, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:36:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08585 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:36:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63IBBC27793; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:11:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HpdD00144; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g621U7D28689 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2126.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.126]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07504 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:30:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2100BF.BDFD83E2@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires References: <20020701171153.50642.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:24:15 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Let me second Nicole on this point here. I have never seen evidence of any sort of nose pads the like of which we have on modern glasses. All of the illos and all of the extant glasses seem to indicate the glasses sitting on the bridge of the nose, and often slipping down to the bulbous point of the nose where the nostrils flare out. If you are fortunate in this case, and you have a flatter, wider nose, you might be able to find something for you to wear. In addition, all of the glasses I have seen prior to the 18th Cent. are round. The ear cords will probably help in adjusting the glasses on the bridge of the nose, but the angle of the lenses and, consequently, the placement of the focal center of the lens in front of the center of the eye will alter (this is another reason to disprove the thought that myopia was being corrected at that early date). Good Luck with your reproductions, though. Every experiment, successful or failed, brings us closer to understanding the past. Mike T. > > > You might find though that they will slip terribly because they weren't made to > sit on the bridge of the nose. They will probably be too wide there. It's worth > a try though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08594 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63I9uC27626; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HsYD02978; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6304RD05689 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.153]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020703000422.NMOW24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:04:22 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020702190744.02cddeb0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020629113027.00d80560@pop.directcon.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] aurora bleacheries - help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:08:58 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone know the current location of the Aurora Bleacheries (I believe they went through a name change awhile back as well)? Would they be open on Monday and how do I get there from I94? : ) Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:40:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08634 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:40:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63ICSC27957; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HmwD27637; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61I1rD05749 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:01:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.193.6] (as-5-20.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.6]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g61I1pM01561 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D1F24AC.30803@oldwaylane.net> References: <3D1F24AC.30803@oldwaylane.net> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:52:37 -0700 Status: RO At 11:33 AM -0400 6/30/02, Judy Mitchell wrote: >Hi Parsla- >>Certainly, it's said that Viking women displayed their wealth by >>all the amber they wore, et cetera, et cetera, > yeah, I've seen that sometimes in the generic books... but >you know, of all the museums that I've been to (and most in >Denmark), while there are some amber displayed the majority of the >beads are glass. Maybe that has to do with the amazingly high >quality of the Danish bead makers, but there was more glass than >amber in Norway too, and the same that I've seen in the Gotland >pictures that have been on the web. So I really wonder about those >statements about wearing all the amber. Besides if wearing the amber >was "displaying their wealth" then it stands to reason that amber >was not considered so cheap. It sure did well on the trade routes. My experience has been similar to yours. If you look at Viking-era beads in terms of grave-by-grave inventories, you get a _much_ different picture of what people were wearing than what many people have adopted as the "Viking look". Often its 50-80% monochrome glass, with only a handful of special shapes, designs, and materials. And to the best of my recollection, _every_ amber bead I've seen in an archaeological context has been shaped to a highly symmetric and polished form (except for the few carved to shape). The notion of wearing twenty strands of amber-only in roughly tumbled shapes (which is what I normally see on the "display your amber wealth" people around here) doesn't really match the historic evidence that I'm aware of. It can be easy to get a mistaken impression from book and museum displays that single out the "nice" beads, or group bead displays by type rather than by site. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:41:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08643 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:41:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63IBaC27828; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:11:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HnGD27862; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61IfcD26809 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g61IfaJU027410 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:41:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume In-Reply-To: <3D1E7DE4.41FFCBB1@dandy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Nah, it's just good corsetry ;D -- M On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, leigh tartaglio wrote: > Wow, those ladies have some big ol' jugs!!! (Ducking feebly at the barrage sure to > come...) Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:41:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08647 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63HoTC24490; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HoKD28833; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g5LJIeq26062 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.157] ([24.52.227.157]) by smtprelay7.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay7 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GY2LMY00.DUS for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:18:34 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: rob and laurie gage To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] my phoenix textile order... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:18:34 -0400 Status: RO hi all! i just received my first phoenix textiles order, and i'm digging it! prompt, pleasant and timely. yay! the fabric: forest green cotton velveteen-short nap, nice sheen light-weight red linen-light and crisp, *very* red purple "raw" silk-actually a matka. nice medium purple w/tight weave royal gold dupione-mmmmm, pretty! last, but not least... burgundy sheer linen/metal blend (90/10%)-beautiful fabric!!! deep color, semi-sheer, linen weft and metal warp. very crisp, but not hard. the warp feels more like a fine nylon thread than metal. if you bend it it doesn't stay bent (ie: not like metal edged ribbon). i have just over 3ydsX60". question" what the heck do i do w/it? i thought greek (doric style chiton), cotehardie (i'm teetering on the brink of ordering 3 more yards) or early 16th c. italien ren. please keep in mind that it is a bit sheer (not like "oh mi gawd, she's nekkid), it will need to be lined or layered. suggestions, comments and questions welcomed! laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:42:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08656 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:42:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63I9vC27632; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Hq5D00660; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g627KRD29273 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 01:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4B877C0150; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 02:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <022601c22198$5a897a60$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Cyber Cindy Again!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 03:16:15 -0400 Status: RO You all won't believe this! I am in shock... I got this news last night about my next ball gown!!! Cyber Cinderella goes to the Ball AGAIN!!! Okay for those who don't know... I am also known as Cyber Cinderella! Don't believe me... go read my Cyber Cinderella story at http://www.costumegallery.com/Cyber/Cindy.htm Make sure to read the whole story to see the mansion where the ball was held! In 1998, I was invited to a Ball at one of my client's home... a mansion! I was so panicked about what to wear... I met a designer on the web and she loaned me a $10,000 gown to wear to the Ball. I wrote about the whole event on the web... then I became known Cyber Cindy. (for those of you who know all of this... hang in there... you won't believe this...) I receive so much wonderful email from moms about this story. Then I was invited to my client's Ball again in 2000. This ball was even more spectacular!!! I got to work with the designer David Emanuel personally. He was the designer for Princess Diana's wedding gown. I purchased my gown this time, an antique late 1950s bouffant debutante gown... I wore a huge hoop with it. I felt like a Princess floating around the room. Now we are about 6 weeks before my client's next Balls.... she is going to have two balls this year. One is the Twilight Ball on Aug. 17, the other is the Red Cross Ball on Aug. 19. So I need to have two Cyber Cindy gowns!!! It has happened again!!! Just like the first ball. Bill, our new instructor, the NYC couture designer, is going to design me a big bouffant 1950-ish ball gown to wear to the Ball. I will be his walking billboard. See the people at the Ball are his type of clientele. People always stop me and ask about my gowns, so Bill gets advertising. Now, this is where it gets to be fun for you.... he is going to teach a class at the Classroom on how to make my Cyber Cinderella gown! He will be documenting making my gown step-by-step! Now for the Red Cross Ball... Cyber Cindy can't wear the same dress for two nights! A lot of the same people will be there at both Balls. Since I am known for what I will be wearing... Cyber Cindy will be going in a 1920s gown. I got this pattern from Kim Grant, our other new instructor's website... http://www.silkpoppy.com/patternframe.htm and look at pattern Mc5941. That will be my Red Cross gown. I can wear handkerchief hems really well... so this should be fun! Kim graded the pattern to my size. I will be making this gown... start praying... I haven't sewn in 5 years. I will be starting on it next week. Because the Ball is for the Red Cross, all the ladies are wear red gowns. BTW, my clients who own the Titanic film costumes, will be coming as my guests to the Red Cross Ball. I can't wait to see what she is wearing. They are both so excited! I just can't tell you how much of a dream all of this seems. Who would have ever thought a mom of six kids would get to go to beautiful Balls! It still all seems like a dream. Luckily, I have a video tape of the last Ball... so I can pop it in the VCR and remember it all while sitting my t-shirt and shorts!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:43:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08664 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63IBRC27814; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63HswD03335; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f51.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.51]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6367vD10248 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:07:51 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:07:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 06:07:51.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6D72830:01C22257] Subject: [h-cost] Movie: "Druids" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:07:51 -0700 Status: RO Oh oh oh, I am at this very momemt hurting myself for some undesignated sins, apparently, by watching a film called "Druids" with Christopher Lambert and Klaus Maria Brandauer, et al. To make it worth my while I will ask of the assembled h-costume multitude... is there any costume virtue--or any other virtue--in this film at all? Aside from the brief glorious appearance of Max vonSydow,anyway? Oh the pain, the pain! MaggiRos ~noting the remarkably few horned helmets _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:43:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08670 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:43:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63IAKC27685; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Hn2D27688; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g61I1uD05765 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.193.6] (as-5-20.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.6]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g61I1sM01616 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie title Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:57:04 -0700 Status: RO >I can't remember which list it was that someone asked about a movie >that might be called something like "Thee, Hannah" so I'm just going >to start with this one :) Google is a wonderful thing (but with a 2000 pub date for the book, it seems unlikely to have produced a movie already): Thee Hannah! by Marguerite de Angeli ISBN none, 99 pages, $15.99 Availability: Usually Ships in 24 hours A beautifully illustrated children's book by Newbery Medal winner Marguerite de Angeli, also winner of two Caldecott Honor Awards, the Louis Carroll Shelf Award, and the Regina Medal. Hannah Severns was approaching ninety when she and the author, then herself a child, first became acquainted. As their friendship grew, the stories of her childhood became the basis for this book, and for other stories by the author. Publisher: Herald Press Published Date: 2000 Binding: Trade Paper -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 14:54:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08887 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63IBIC27804; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Hr7D01566; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g62FSCD05221 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:28:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [113.105.42.16] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GYM0043NO4VAF@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@net.indra.com; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Thanks for the forwarding on dye help Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:25:29 -0400 Status: RO Marcus asked me to post the following as Yahoo is not working well. -Linda K-S >Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:20:36 +0000 >From: marcus findlay-arthur >Subject: Thanks for the forwarding on dye help > >1.I can wait a while. >2.Thanks for all the input - will be looking over the next week for >stuff anyway. > >Ta & loads of love, > >M. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 15:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09333 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63J73C03487; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63J71D16131; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63J6wD16091 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.125] (pm4-125.eos.net [205.133.149.125]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21076 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:06:55 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207031801.g63I1CD08144@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: druids Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:58:20 -0400 Status: RO Actually, I enjoyed this film in a lackadaisical sort of way. The script was awful, and why anyone hires Christopher Lambert for anything is beyond me. The man has only one expression! I just wrote a review of it for our local SCA publication, so it's still fresh in my mind. I don't think the costumes are particularly accurate, but they are an attempt and they win in my book because at least they are all THE SAME attempt. I only watched it once, so I may be wrong, but I don't recall any bit players with clothes from different eras. The Roman army is all dressed alike, although apparently a few centuries off, but again at least it's all the same era. And I quite enjoyed the sets and props, which seemed to me to be an attempt at the correct period. The main problems with the movie were, again, the terrible script and the terrible lead actor. Perhaps this is a cultural thing -- it is a French movie, so maybe the French are not all that concerned with things like good endings and maintaining continuity. There is a very funny (in the sense of incongruous) topless scene that seems very French to me. BTW, the movie was originally called "Vercingetorix," and for those who haven't seen it, that's just what it was -- the story of Vercingetorix, the famous chief of the Gauls defeated by Julius Caesar. Apparently they thought anyone outside of France would be more likely to go see a movie called "Druids," although the Druids are barely in it. It seems to have been intended to be the French "Braveheart," but without the "triumph of the spirit" part. Poor old Vercingetorix takes a pretty dim view of things right from the start! If anyone wants a copy of the review, I'll be happy to send it along. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 16:09:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09614 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:09:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Jq2C07442; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Jq0D09858; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63JpMD09507 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:51:17 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 19:51:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 19:51:17.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEDCDA20:01C222CA] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:51:17 -0700 Status: RO Back in the misty reaches of time when I was editing Tournaments Illuminated for the SCA, I ran an article (which eventually into the Known World Handbook, 2nd ed) called "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" which was both hysterical and very very useful. It takes up the whole issue of costume lore getting handed down, errors and all, both orally and in costume books. It especially focusses on how redrawings of original artworks shift and change the evidence, until redrawings of redrawings take on the appearance of authority, which can be hell to un-do. I believe the authors used to be on this list, but don't know if either of them still is. Anyway, if you can find a copy, it should be one of the things every costume maven makes their 'prentices anbd acolytes memorize! MaggiRos >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:15:27 -0700 > > > > Planche is not a particularly good source for medieval costume, as he > > tended to make up information to fill in gaps in the evidence. > > (Unfortunately many of his assumptions and inventions persist even > > today in costume books.) But he is a very good source for the > > Victorian interpretation of medieval costume, since his work defined > > much of the movement. > >Amen to that. Same with Braun and Schneider, Racinet and that >ilk. > >Another one who had a tendency to "fill in the gaps" is Diderot. >While he has some good stuff for the 18th Century (when he wrote >*his* encyclopedia), the earlier periods are pretty scary. Yet, like >Planche, his inventions and assumptions are quoted endlessly in >costume books. > >Norris quotes both of them extensively. One of the things that the >lady who I was apprenticed to did for me is to have me read >(beginning to end, not just my favorite time period) a long list of >"standard" costume books. (Kelly & Schwabe, Norris, Davenport, >Boucher, Kohler, von Boehn, etc. It was a list of over 20 authors, >some of which have several books, like Norris and von Boehn.) It >really gave me an interesting perspective on costuming books. It >also made me learn to question almost everything I find written as >being "the way" to make something. You start seeing (especially if >you know the date the book was written) how the costumers of the >time saw things and how much gets crystallized by being >endlessly quoted (even when very much wrong.) > > >Kat > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 16:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09702 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63KG2C09717; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KG0D09581; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KFGD09148 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p184.directcon.net [209.233.107.184]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g63KEp7o025462; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:14:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020703131841.00d9bec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:18:41 -0700 Status: RO At 12:51 PM 07/03/2002 -0700, Maggie Secara wrote: >Back in the misty reaches of time when I was editing Tournaments Illuminated >for the SCA, I ran an article (which eventually into the Known World >Handbook, 2nd ed) called "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" which >was both hysterical and very very useful. I believe it was reprinted in the Knowne World Handbook. The second edition, I think...whichever one it was that was released around AS XX. Sorry I can't be more specific, but my ex-husband kept our copy. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 16:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09713 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:35:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63KGiC09828; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KGID09845; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f11.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KFoD09461 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:15:44 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:15:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: druids Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 20:15:44.0874 (UTC) FILETIME=[698534A0:01C222CE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:15:44 -0700 Status: RO Well with all that in mind, maybe I'll wait for a Saturday afternoon and put it on when my husband is at home. Some movies are just made for Saturday matinees. The topless scene WAS funny. It had a certain campfollower appeal :) Thanks for the input, Gail! MaggiRos Q: How do you capture a campfollower? A: Hide in the bushes and make a noise like a gold chain. >From: Gail & Scott Finke >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Re: druids >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:58:20 -0400 > > > >Actually, I enjoyed this film in a lackadaisical sort of way. The script >was >awful, and why anyone hires Christopher Lambert for anything is beyond me. >The man has only one expression! I just wrote a review of it for our local >SCA publication, so it's still fresh in my mind. I don't think the costumes >are particularly accurate, but they are an attempt and they win in my book >because at least they are all THE SAME attempt. I only watched it once, so >I >may be wrong, but I don't recall any bit players with clothes from >different >eras. The Roman army is all dressed alike, although apparently a few >centuries off, but again at least it's all the same era. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 16:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09779 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:47:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63KU9C11294; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KU8D17949; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f77.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KTmD17744 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:29:42 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:29:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 20:29:42.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CE9E6D0:01C222D0] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:29:42 -0700 Status: RO I've still got mine. :-) I think it's still available from the SCA, although I can't find it anywhere on the www.sca.org website. However, a 3rd edition is, I believe, in the works and I have no idea if the article will be included. MaggiRos >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume >Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:18:41 -0700 > >At 12:51 PM 07/03/2002 -0700, Maggie Secara wrote: > >Back in the misty reaches of time when I was editing Tournaments >Illuminated > >for the SCA, I ran an article (which eventually into the Known World > >Handbook, 2nd ed) called "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" >which > >was both hysterical and very very useful. > >I believe it was reprinted in the Knowne World Handbook. The second >edition, I think...whichever one it was that was released around AS XX. >Sorry I can't be more specific, but my ex-husband kept our copy. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 17:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09998 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:14:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Kv2C13905; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Kv1D11726; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KuSD11449 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:56:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([62.255.179.49]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020703205627.NQET295.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:56:27 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts Message-ID: <3D237308.7040.1AE4DC6@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:56:24 +0100 Status: RO On 1 Jul 2002 at 13:17, Maggie Secara wrote: > > This isn't about costume directly but it is about historical food. And > what's a historical feast without historic costume, I ask you! (A naked > lunch (but that's another story.)) This exciting article in the Manchester > Guardian from Thursday, passed along on another list: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1838714,00.html > > Gee, I wonder if we know any English librarians who could get close to > this... ;-) Thanks: will pass on to some cooking friends and lists. I note in passing that while this may well be the earliest *printed* English cookery book, it's isn't the earliest English cookery book by any means. Not even close. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 17:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10006 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:15:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Kw2C14014; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Kw1D12287; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KvID11872 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g63KvGh15212 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015c01c222d4$664f9d60$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:58:29 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > I've still got mine. :-) I think it's still available from the SCA, > although I can't find it anywhere on the www.sca.org website. However, a > 3rd edition is, I believe, in the works and I have no idea if the article > will be included. If it's not, I think a lot of people will be upset. That's one of those "classic" articles. The 2nd edition is still available--go to http://www.sca.org/members/marketplace.html and look at the pdf order form. It's several pages in, past the Compleat Anachronist listings. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 17:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10011 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:16:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Kx1C14086; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Kx1D12869; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Kw6D12342 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA77910F4F8 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012d01c222d4$46a031f0$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costuming Page has moved MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:57:18 -0400 Status: RO Drea Your website is my bible. I think I had it bookmarked the day after it moved! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drea Leed" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Costuming Page has moved > Guys, > > long time no chat. Just wanted to drop you a line--my Elizabethan > Costuming page has moved, from http://www.dnaco.net/~aleed/corsets to the > much more mnemonic location of http://costume.dm.net/ . > > This new site is much, much larger. It veritably echos. > > So I'm extending an offer: if anyone on the lst has a costume-related > paper, article, or currently homeless web article, drop me a line. I know > there are many of you out there with great papers & articles on a variety > of costume topics, but who don't have web page access or the HTML savvy > to convert your articles from Word format into a web-viewable one. And > there are others, I'm sure, who are sick and tired of hosting their > articles on geocities, tripod, or other pop-up-window type sites. > > Enjoy the new site and I hope to be back on the list soon, > > Drea > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 17:17:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10016 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Kx5C14093; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Kx4D12899; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f217.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.217]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63KwPD12536 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:58:19 -0700 Received: from 141.213.6.15 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:58:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.213.6.15] From: "Parsla Liepa" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 20:58:19.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C465700:01C222D4] Subject: [h-cost] Amber (was Re: historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: pliepa@deepthought.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:58:19 -0400 Status: RO (much snippage about how chunky, unpolished amber seems to be incorrect for "Viking period"...) >>their wealth" then it stands to reason that amber was not considered so >>cheap. It sure did well on the trade routes. I wonder if this is because amber is/was so common? You know--I grew a lot of tomatoes, so I'm sick of tomatoes, and you grew a lot of zucchini, so you're sick of zucchini--so we trade and we're both happy. Am I just making things up when I say that amber was more common "then" than it is now? This is a weird reason, I know, but the sea floor around Birka was rising in Viking period. Birka was actually abandoned partly because of that (and the waterways on either side filled up with silt and it was harder to get to). The sea floor had previously been forest, which is why there is amber there to wash up on shore in the first place..... I'm guessing that as the sea floor rose, the amber was more likely to be found or washed free. But then again, this could just be crap.... Parsla -- Vocatus atque non vocatus, Deus aderit. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 17:21:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10031 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:21:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63L42C14521; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63L40D15966; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63L3LD15600 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D413410F942 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016901c222d4$f4d47290$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Conference on Mid-Nineteenth Century Clothing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:02:10 -0400 Status: RO Since I live about twenty minutes from Harrisburg, I am SO there! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "cschmitt@genteelarts" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: [h-cost] Conference on Mid-Nineteenth Century Clothing > Those of you interested in mid-nineteenth century clothing and culture might > be interested in this information. The information is being posted to > several lists; my apologies if you receive multiple copies. > > The Ninth Annual Ladies of the 1860s Conference will be held on March 7-9, > 2003 in Harrisburg, PA. The conference offers presentations on a variety of > topics relating to the clothing and culture of the mid-nineteenth century. > The program also includes pre-conference seminars (both hands-on and > lecture/demonstration), a juried vendor area, continually changing displays > of original garments, undergarments, accessories, jewelry and other items of > material culture, a competition for the best reproduction of a period > bonnet, and a juried vendor area. The 2003 conference will also include > presentations and workshops on men's clothing, and special packages for > gentlemen and junior members are available. Complete details including > descriptions of the presentations and workshops, hotel information, and > registration fees can be found at our web site www.genteelarts.com > > Please feel free to contact me with any questions. > > Carolann Schmitt > cschmitt@genteelarts.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 19:13:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10575 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:13:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63Mt3C23891; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63Mt1D10904; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63MsED10597 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18912 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:18:04 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] H-Cost: Wench Costume In-Reply-To: <001601c22133$c550c9d0$31baee0c@c59303b> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:18:04 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, chiara wrote: > Not to mention that all his books cost over 500.00 if you can even > find a copy! There used to be a bookseller offering to see it to me > for over a year swearing that it had great glove documentation in it. > Too much money for me to spend and cannot justify. Robin, can you look > at the book again and tell if it has anything about gloves? It was > perpetually out here in the Collin County library system and now it is > totally off the lists. :( Alas, I do not own the book and don't have a copy at ready access. I Xeroxed off the sections I needed for the papers I was writing, and I periodically go hunt up a copy when I'm looking at something new. I have no clue about glove content. I'm sure he covers it somewhere, but I frankly wouldn't consider it a good source. He cribbed so much from Strutt you might be better off looking at Strutt first anyway. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 19:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10632 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g63NI2C25763; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63NI0D20048; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g63NHHD19779 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:17:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.7f.28857e61 (25102) for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.28857e61.2a54dff3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Conference on Mid-Nineteenth Century Clothing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7f.28857e61.2a54dff3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10034 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:17:07 EDT Status: RO --part1_7f.28857e61.2a54dff3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know if they are still looking for presentations, or is the program set? Ann Wass --part1_7f.28857e61.2a54dff3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know if they are still looking for presentations, or is the program set?
Ann Wass --part1_7f.28857e61.2a54dff3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 21:38:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11080 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:38:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g641L2C02006; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g641L0D27622; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grape.dcsi.net.au (grape.dcsi.net.au [203.22.132.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g641KED27422 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sandy (ppp-340.dialup.war.dcsi.net.au [203.55.67.86]) by grape.dcsi.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g641K9OW017910 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:20:10 +1000 Message-Id: <200207040120.g641K9OW017910@grape.dcsi.net.au> From: "Frojel Gotlandica" To: "h-costume@indra.com" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2380) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Amber (was Re: historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g641KED27422 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Frojel Gotlandica" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:17:49 +1000 Status: RO No the entire Baltic region is actually rising, Gotland has risen several meters since the Viking age, most amber is found on the Baltic coast after storms, the big storms move it around on the sea floor and being light it gets washed ashore, it is more common for divers to find it now than beachcombers but it is still being washed up on the beaches. Birka was situated on an island in the middle of a lake complex but no doubt there was amber there in the lake too but the majority of it comes from the Baltic sea. Sandy >Am I just making things up when I say that amber was more common "then" than >it is now? This is a weird reason, I know, but the sea floor around Birka >was rising in Viking period. Birka was actually abandoned partly because of >that (and the waterways on either side filled up with silt and it was harder >to get to). The sea floor had previously been forest, which is why there is >amber there to wash up on shore in the first place..... I'm guessing that >as the sea floor rose, the amber was more likely to be found or washed free. > But then again, this could just be crap.... > >Parsla Fr”jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 22:13:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11249 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:13:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g641u1C03609; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g641u0D06633; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g641tkD06562 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:55:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip22.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.22]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g641tg719621 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Message-ID: <3D234A1A.9885.1AFA2AB4@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:01:46 -0700 Status: RO > Back in the misty reaches of time when I was editing Tournaments > Illuminated for the SCA, I ran an article (which eventually into the > Known World Handbook, 2nd ed) called "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple > Feathers" which was both hysterical and very very useful. It takes up > the whole issue of costume lore getting handed down, errors and all, > both orally and in costume books. It especially focusses on how > redrawings of original artworks shift and change the evidence, until > redrawings of redrawings take on the appearance of authority, which > can be hell to un-do. > > I believe the authors used to be on this list, but don't know if > either of them still is. Anyway, if you can find a copy, it should be > one of the things every costume maven makes their 'prentices anbd > acolytes memorize! > MaggiRos I love that article! It is such a hoot. It was written by Linda Reames Fox (ska Lady Audelindis de Rheims) and is on page 120 of the second edition of the handbook. I heartily recommend it to anyone who thinks that extrapolation and interpolation can be done from such sources. (I think I'll leave it out as I have a student coming over this weekend who *really* needs to read it!) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 3 23:22:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11956 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:22:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64352C06683; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64350D23444; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6434cD23353 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from momdad (dialup-63.208.202.132.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.202.132]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6434aK106580 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: <008901c22307$bf10fce0$84cad03f@momdad> From: "HEATHER A CUTLER" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20020703131841.00d9bec0@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:06:08 -0400 Status: RO Well, my copy from AS XXVI says it's the third edition (one done AS XIV, and one done for ASXX). (as a matter of fact, just noticed the editor of this edition is a really cool member of our Barony.);-) Anyway, in this edition, it's on pp.129-131. It is a great article, like she says- both funny and making great points. (of course, it took not looking at the book for almost 5 years and then taking it out to figure out some of the differences between the two pictures, but I guess that was part of the reason for the article.);-} Moira >Back in the misty reaches of time when I was editing Tournaments Illuminated > >for the SCA, I ran an article (which eventually into the Known World > >Handbook, 2nd ed) called "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" which > >was both hysterical and very very useful. > > I believe it was reprinted in the Knowne World Handbook. The second > edition, I think...whichever one it was that was released around AS XX. > Sorry I can't be more specific, but my ex-husband kept our copy. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 00:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12185 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g643q2C08752; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g643q0D05260; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g643pFD05084 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2153.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.153]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20990 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3D23C4DE.9341749F@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:45:35 -0400 Status: RO Oh, so you are the author of that gem! Thanks so much for writing that, so long ago. It has proved useful in many a "discussion" Mike T. > "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 00:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12303 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:23:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64462C09394; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64461D08968; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6445XD08848 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6445SFc031800 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:05:29 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3D237308.7040.1AE4DC6@localhost> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:13:29 -0700 Status: RO Sorry All, This is old news. SCA-Cooks has been discussing it for several days now :-) Wanda Pease "I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows. And a foundation leaks and a ball game gets rained out and a car rusts and..." -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jane Williams Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:56 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts On 1 Jul 2002 at 13:17, Maggie Secara wrote: > > This isn't about costume directly but it is about historical food. And > what's a historical feast without historic costume, I ask you! (A naked > lunch (but that's another story.)) This exciting article in the Manchester > Guardian from Thursday, passed along on another list: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1838714,00.html > > Gee, I wonder if we know any English librarians who could get close to > this... ;-) Thanks: will pass on to some cooking friends and lists. I note in passing that while this may well be the earliest *printed* English cookery book, it's isn't the earliest English cookery book by any means. Not even close. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 03:15:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21218 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:15:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g646w7C14524; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g646w1D16567; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.55]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g646vxD16548 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:57:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:57:53 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 06:57:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 06:57:53.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E76EE90:01C22328] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:57:53 -0700 Status: RO Oh! Shows how attentive I've been! I'm glad it made it into the new edition. It's a gem. MaggiRos >From: "HEATHER A CUTLER" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:06:08 -0400 > >Well, my copy from AS XXVI says it's the third edition (one done AS XIV, >and >one done for ASXX). (as a matter of fact, just noticed the editor of this >edition is a really cool member of our Barony.);-) Anyway, in this >edition, >it's on pp.129-131. It is a great article, like she says- both funny and >making great points. (of course, it took not looking at the book for >almost >5 years and then taking it out to figure out some of the differences >between >the two pictures, but I guess that was part of the reason for the >article.);-} >Moira > > >Back in the misty reaches of time when I was editing Tournaments >Illuminated > > >for the SCA, I ran an article (which eventually into the Known World > > >Handbook, 2nd ed) called "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" >which > > >was both hysterical and very very useful. > > > > I believe it was reprinted in the Knowne World Handbook. The second > > edition, I think...whichever one it was that was released around AS XX. > > Sorry I can't be more specific, but my ex-husband kept our copy. > > > > Margo > > "One Tough Costumer" > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Cheers, Maggie Secara ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 03:18:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22463 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:18:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64711C14626; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64710D17182; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f260.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.138]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64701D16999 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 23:59:56 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 06:59:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 06:59:56.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[679E3240:01C22328] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:59:56 -0700 Status: RO So as costumers, we're a little behind on food news. Big deal. Better old news than none at all. Not like it's a race :) MaggiRos >From: "Wanda Pease" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:13:29 -0700 > >Sorry All, > > This is old news. SCA-Cooks has been discussing it for several days now >:-) > >Wanda Pease >"I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows. And a >foundation leaks and a ball game gets rained out and a car rusts and..." > > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On >Behalf Of Jane Williams >Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 1:56 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts > > >On 1 Jul 2002 at 13:17, Maggie Secara wrote: > > > > > This isn't about costume directly but it is about historical food. And > > what's a historical feast without historic costume, I ask you! (A naked > > lunch (but that's another story.)) This exciting article in the >Manchester > > Guardian from Thursday, passed along on another list: > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1838714,00.html > > > > Gee, I wonder if we know any English librarians who could get close to > > this... ;-) > >Thanks: will pass on to some cooking friends and >lists. > >I note in passing that while this may well be the >earliest *printed* English cookery book, it's isn't the >earliest English cookery book by any means. Not >even close. > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Cheers, Maggie Secara ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 04:14:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21690 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:14:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g647v2C15877; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g647v1D28364; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40012.mail.yahoo.com (web40012.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.30]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g647uGD28241 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020704075611.84857.qmail@web40012.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40012.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 08:56:11 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Olde Englysh receipts To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:56:11 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I believe a print run of the book is being made for visitors to Longleat House. I believe I heard this on Radio 4 but I could be mistaken. The webpage of Longleat House is at: http://www.longleat.co.uk/mainpage.htm They could probably give you more information on a possible print run. Rachel --- Maggie Secara wrote: > > This isn't about costume directly but it is about historical food. And > what's a historical feast without historic costume, I ask you! (A naked > lunch (but that's another story.)) This exciting article in the Manchester > Guardian from Thursday, passed along on another list: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,1271,-1838714,00.html > > Gee, I wonder if we know any English librarians who could get close to > this... ;-) > > > MaggiRos > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 04:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21796 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:40:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g648N2C16951; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g648N0D03422; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g648M5D03230 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYP00EFDTW0SB@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume In-reply-to: <3D2047DF.11268.F390097@localhost> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020704011827.00ce2e50@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:20:21 -0700 Status: RO >But he is a very good source for the > > Victorian interpretation of medieval costume, since his work defined > > much of the movement. > >Amen to that. Same with Braun and Schneider, Most of why I own Braun and Schneider is because of the by-now-historical ethnic and folk stuff in it. I believe their 19th century European stuff too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 05:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA22030 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g649e2C18910; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g649e1D16666; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g649dVD16588 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20146.; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:40:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:39:25 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g649dVD16588 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:39:07 +0100 Status: RO (A third attempt, since my test seems to have worked!) Nicole wrote: > the loops that you see are actually thread loops, attached to leg-less >glasses. they were like what in germany is called a 'zwicker', glasses that >were pinched onto the bridge of the nose without any earpieces, but some >attached thread loops which were looped around the ears. English speakers actually use the French term "pince-nez" (nose-pincher) for "Zwicker" - my German dictionary confirms this. I notice that the "legless" spectacles advertised by Jas. Townsend claim to be 15th/16th century; they offer nothing for the 17th! Some of my 17th century reenactor friends wear that type, some make do with discreet round metal frames which, as Nicole says, don't look too jarringly modern. Does anyone know of any evidence for Renaissance spectacles worn with a single safety cord rather than ear loops, like the Victorian pince-nez? I have an old pair of frames which would just about do as 17th century reading glasses, but they have only one ring for attaching a cord. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 06:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22145 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64972C18023; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64970D11984; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6496MD11850 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 03:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17810.; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:06:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:06:16 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6496MD11850 Subject: [h-cost] Test message Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:05:48 +0100 Status: RO Earlier this week I twice sent a message which hasn't reached the list. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 08:39:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22611 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:39:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64CM2C22915; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64CM0D18758; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g64CLu318734 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:21:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Test message Message-ID: <20020704062156.F7749@net.indra.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:21:56 -0600 Status: RO If they haven't come through yet, they never got here. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 14:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24644 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64IU5C06390; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64IU1D15592; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64IT0D15286 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:29:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g64IUQF12045 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207041830.g64IUQF12045@jabberwock.wonderland.com> In-Reply-To: "from Maggie Secara at Jul 3, 2002 12:51:17 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Angels & Insects Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I just saw Angels & Insects last night, based on the novella by A.S. Byatt. The costuming -- 1862-1865 or so -- was just gorgeous to my eye. What particularly impressed me wasn't so much the historical quality of it, but that all the ladies were wearing coloration that reminded me of warning signs in the animal kingdom -- the bright stripes and "stay away" color combinations that many insects and reptiles wear. I rented it -- I think I'll have to buy it though! .heather.meadows. heather@sewhipithurts.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 15:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24844 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:27:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64JAFC07742; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64JADD25283; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64J7ZD24692 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-33qtnk7.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.222.135] helo=[199.174.218.150]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QBwx-0008NJ-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:07:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: To: apprentice@yahoogroups.com, europe16thc@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@net.indra.com, SCA Forum for Research in Medieval and Renaissance Re-enactmen , sca-bead@yahoogroups.com, Historic needlework list From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Paternosters mailing list Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:03:44 -0700 Status: RO Apologies for cross-posting, but I thought people on several other lists might be interested in yet another Yahoo! group (as if we all need _more_ mailing lists to subscribe to!). [Paternosters] is an e-mail list for people interested in historical rosaries, paternosters, and other prayer beads. If you re-create, research, collect, or just admire and are interested in the variety of rosaries (etc.) that have been used in history, you are very welcome to join us! There is also a FAQ file in the Paternosters files area (which anyone can read) giving a brief synopsis of the history of the rosary and its predecessor, the paternoster. It's at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paternosters/files/Rosaries-FAQ To learn more about the Paternosters group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paternosters Pax et bonum! O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O To subscribe or unsubscribe: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paternosters To change your e-mail address or preferences: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O-oooooooooo-O -- _________________________________________________________ O (Lady) Christian de Holacombe | Chris Laning + Shire of Windy Meads - Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 16:09:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25107 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64JpsC09197; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64JppD05772; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21507.mail.yahoo.com (web21507.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g64JiXD04091 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:44:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020704194433.4100.qmail@web21507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [80.1.9.149] by web21507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:44:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?marcus=20findlay-arthur?= To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Help with my dye problems Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:44:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Folks, Thank you very much for all the help on the dye problem I'm currently enjoying.Am doing it in stages and seem to be falling behind a bit,still I'll get there. Katya - I did locate Dylon at Beatties here in Birmingham.If you want to get some or stock up with them give me a holler. Marcus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 16:54:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25416 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:54:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64KamC10845; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64KakD16406; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64KOqD13366 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020704202447.KYXT29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:24:47 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c22398$d6cb3d00$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] linen weight? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:24:43 -0700 Status: RO Hello all, I'm beginning work on a reproduction of a Danish dress from 1796 in the Danish book _Moden 1790-1840_. It's one of those very gathered, sheer, white dresses that you see in Heidloff plates (eg http://www.costumes.org/history/regency/boehn/heidloff1796B.JPG) I'm making the dress in a sheer cotton voile (the original was made of "nettlecloth" -- any ideas what that is?), and the bodice and sleeves are lined in linen. It's one of those interesting constructions where the linen lining creates the structure for the bodice. I'll be wearing this over a bodice petticoat (like those in Hunnisett's _Period Costume_), and my question is this -- what weight should I use for the linen lining? I'd like to order something from fabrics-store.com, and it looks like they offer the following weights: 3.5 oz., 4.6, 5.3, 5.9, 7.1, and 7.46 oz. Now I'm totally unfamiliar with linen weights (if I could hold the fabric in my hand, I'd be fine, but those numbers just don't mean anything to me!). Is there anyone who can recommend which weight I should use? I want enough weight to hold the structure of the dress, but it won't need to serve as a corset. I'd appreciate any recommendations! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 16:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25433 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:56:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64KdDC10924; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64KdBD17031; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64KRgD14091 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020704202737.YRXF903.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:27:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c22399$3c561c80$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Danish translation? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:27:36 -0700 Status: RO Is there anyone on the list who reads Danish and would be willing to translate some brief pattern notations for me? I have a scaled pattern from a Danish book, and while I can figure out what all of the pattern pieces are, I'd like to be able to understand the construction notes. This pattern is along the lines of something from Janet Arnold, so it's not too much text. If anyone can help me out, please let me know! Thanks, Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 17:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25654 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64LJAC12311; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64LJ9D27007; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ns.misc.com (h-66-134-203-2.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.134.203.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64KuwD21323 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from misc.com (mac.misc.com [192.168.254.109]) by ns.misc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25029 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3D24B77C.B568CA69@misc.com> From: Theresa Eacker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bath Museum of Costume - revamped web site References: <001701c21c0c$e3457340$befc8218@WERNTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:00:45 -0700 Status: RO Has any one else tried the new URL and found that their screen freezes, forcing you to reboot entirely? Oddly enough, I _can_ access the second URL for the game without any problems!! Also, I tried backtracking this URL and my screen still froze. (OCC: yes, Kendra, you're right about the weird choices for the garb of the decade). Anyone else have similar results? Thanks for letting me vent my frustration, Theresa Eacker Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > > The Museum of Costume in Bath has revamped their website -- better design, > and some nicer photos of some of their collection: > > http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/ (Pruning) > > The direct URL for the game is: > http://www.museumofcostume.co.uk/htmlContent/game.htm > > - Kendra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 4 19:02:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26633 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 19:02:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g64MimC15215; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64MilD17133; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64MdtD16075 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-38lc29f.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.9.47] helo=[199.174.218.150]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QFGS-0001yr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 18:39:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c22399$3c561c80$befc8218@WERNTO> References: <000f01c22399$3c561c80$befc8218@WERNTO> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish translation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:25:20 -0700 Status: RO Sure -- send them along! At 1:27 PM -0700 7/4/02, Kendra Van Cleave wrote: >Is there anyone on the list who reads Danish and would be willing to >translate some brief pattern notations for me? I have a scaled pattern from >a Danish book, and while I can figure out what all of the pattern pieces >are, I'd like to be able to understand the construction notes. > >This pattern is along the lines of something from Janet Arnold, so it's not >too much text. > >If anyone can help me out, please let me know! -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 5 08:37:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07747 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:37:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g65CKaC10499; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g65CKSD28372; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g65BYKD20043 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18433.; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:34:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:34:02 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g65BYKD20043 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:33:33 +0100 Status: RO Kendra wrote: >>>I'm making the dress in a sheer cotton voile (the original was made of "nettlecloth" -- any ideas what that is?), That would be a linen-type material made with the fibres from nettle stems instead of flax. I saw some prepared ones once and they were very coarse, but I believe experts can spin quite fine thread from them. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:28:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02837 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:28:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HArC14391; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HAjD23082; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g64N87D22041 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sdn-ar-001mosloup168.dialsprint.net ([168.191.109.104] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QFhl-0004QQ-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c223af$ef3e9460$686dbfa8@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:10:03 -0500 Status: RO Ah, could somone point to an online copy of the article. Not sure I want to spend $16 for one article. Thanks. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02847 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:29:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HCcC14504; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HCbD23580; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:12:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g650ROD09237 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-12-209.s717.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.12.209] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #5) id 17QGwU-0002Yu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3D24E979.5000508@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish translation? References: <000f01c22399$3c561c80$befc8218@WERNTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:34:01 -0400 Status: RO Hi Kendra- I don't know how much of a help this is, but when I went to Denmark last summer and visited with a woman in Farum, I brought some samples from fabrics-store with me in case anything I needed would be the same weight. I'm making an everyday dress from the 1840-60s. Silke-Annet told me that the white 5.5 oz (ILO19) was good for the sark, and the natural 7.1 (4C22?) to line the bodice with. Your dress may be fancier and lighter weight than mine - I'm working with alpaca drille. The other thing you might want to know about, is that there is a page at fabrics-store.com where you can ask for free samples. You can't really specify the color, but you can ask for all the different weights of linen. Then you can feel what they are like. I've done this with them. Hope that's a help. > Is there anyone on the list who reads Danish and would be willing to > translate some brief pattern notations for me? The other thing you might find helpful, is that if you contact the Butterick-UK office (can't find the email off hand, but it should be findable), they will mail you a copy of the english-Danish pattern insert which has a glossary of sewing and pattern terms! This will probably make the poor man very confused as you would be the 3rd person asking him for this - he was very surprised when the 2nd person asked! (It's a conspiracy ;-) ). But he kindly sent them for free, and even sent me the Swedish and Finnish ones also (wish I had a Norwegian one, dunno if there is one). Anyway, this might also be a help with the book. Worth a try! -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02881 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HE2C14637; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HDvD23987; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g65BPPD18423 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:25:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb06la (unverified [10.1.200.110]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:21:48 -0700 thread-index: AcIkFicfuZhDi/RCR/eWnsyqXMkgkg== Thread-Topic: Nettlecloth From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Message-ID: <02da01c22416$271fc870$6ec8010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C223DB.7AC0F070" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Nettlecloth Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:21:48 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C223DB.7AC0F070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > I'm making the dress in a sheer cotton voile (the original was made of > "nettlecloth" -- any ideas what that is?) I'm sure someone has already answered this, but nettlecloth will be just that, cloth made from nettles. It makes a very similar fibre to linen, and is processed very like flax, using the long fibres that grow iside the long nettle stem. Ramie is nettle fibre, but this may be processed differently. They also use yarn made from nettles in the Himalaya region. Freyalyn, PFUI ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C223DB.7AC0F070 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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> I'm making the dress in a sheer cotton voile (the original was made of
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I'm sure someone has already answered this, but nettlecloth will be just that, cloth made from nettles. It makes
a very similar fibre to linen, and is processed very like flax, using the long fibres that grow iside the long nettle
stem. Ramie is nettle fibre, but this may be processed differently. They also use yarn made from nettles in the
Himalaya region.

Freyalyn, PFUI ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C223DB.7AC0F070-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:34:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02880 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HE0C14632; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HDqD23955; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:13:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g658scD20799 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:54:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g658sYs57331; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:54:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207050854.g658sYs57331@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:54:34 BST Status: RO Kendra Van Cleave wrote : > I'm making the dress in a sheer cotton voile (the original was made of > "nettlecloth" -- any ideas what that is?), Only an guess, but I seem to remember being told that you can get a linen-like thread from nettles. Presumbaly yu cna then weave it into cloth. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:34:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02888 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:34:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HEIC14672; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:14:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HE8D24058; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g65EbjD29141 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a216.in-tch.com [66.62.107.16]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g65EO9T15384 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D25B08B.2602A5E9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? References: <000e01c22398$d6cb3d00$befc8218@WERNTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:43:23 -0600 Status: RO I've ordered a couple of different times from these guys (okay, I give, I've ordered *lots,* judging by the stack in one bedroom, and the 20-yd. roll in the other), and the lightest weight (3.5 oz), is a decent chemise-weight, but more like a heavier chemise than a really light one, if you know what I mean. So, since the outer layer of your garment is very light weight, that's the one I'd use. I've also acquired some of their 7.1 oz (the 20 yd. roll of unbleached, and a few other pieces, mostly for use in linings for gothic fitted gowns, and for some anglo-saxon clothing), and I did notice a bit of *apparent* differences to the heft/feel to these--some feel lighter weight, some heavier (dunno if it's finishing, or color, or if it's actually different ), but all are far more substantial than my 3 oz. shift stuff. More like really sturdy overtunic weight, pretty closely approximating the average feel of the denim in my fall/winter blue jeans. I dunno for sure (because I've never tried), but you might be able to contact the company directly, and ask for samples..... --Sue, fellow linen lover ;-) Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > I'll be wearing this over a > bodice petticoat (like those in Hunnisett's _Period Costume_), and my > question is this -- what weight should I use for the linen lining? > > I'd like to order something from fabrics-store.com, and it looks like they > offer the following weights: 3.5 oz., 4.6, 5.3, 5.9, 7.1, and 7.46 oz. Now > I'm totally unfamiliar with linen weights (if I could hold the fabric in my > hand, I'd be fine, but those numbers just don't mean anything to me!). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02896 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HGVC14995; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HGED24771; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6624gD13930 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:04:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip146.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6624bV3028668 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200207060204.g6624bV3028668@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume In-Reply-To: <3D23C4DE.9341749F@dandy.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:02:19 -0400 Status: RO Since some of us have never seen the article in question, what's it about? -- Mara At 11:45 PM 7/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Oh, so you are the author of that gem! Thanks so much for writing that, so long >ago. It has proved useful in many a "discussion" Mike T. > >> "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02900 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:35:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HGrC15020; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HGND24807; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g662HQD16400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip146.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.146]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g662HNV3029449 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200207060217.g662HNV3029449@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? In-Reply-To: <000e01c22398$d6cb3d00$befc8218@WERNTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 22:15:06 -0400 Status: RO At 01:24 PM 7/4/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I'd like to order something from fabrics-store.com, and it looks like they >offer the following weights: 3.5 oz., 4.6, 5.3, 5.9, 7.1, and 7.46 oz. Now >I'm totally unfamiliar with linen weights (if I could hold the fabric in my >hand, I'd be fine, but those numbers just don't mean anything to me!). Is >there anyone who can recommend which weight I should use? I want enough >weight to hold the structure of the dress, but it won't need to serve as a >corset. > >I'd appreciate any recommendations! > >- Kendra Hi, Kendra, The 3.5 oz. is a bit lightweight and sheer to be used for lining; I'm using it for shifts and neckerchiefs right now. I'd go with the 4.6 oz. or 5.3 oz., but not anything heavier. Cheers, Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02952 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HU4C15721; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HU1D27975; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HTWD27879 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip254.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.254]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g66HTQ313167 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume Message-ID: <3D26C747.5286.289BA8AD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200207060204.g6624bV3028668@saltmine.radix.net> References: <3D23C4DE.9341749F@dandy.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:32:39 -0700 Status: RO Regarding: "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" > Since some of us have never seen the article in question, what's it > about? > -- Mara It's about the pitfalls of source interpretation and why we can't always interpolate or extrapolate from various sources. It's a basic on documentation problems. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:47:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02959 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HUEC15738; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HUBD28036; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f253.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HTeD27898 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:29:34 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:29:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 17:29:34.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[B219F5C0:01C22512] Subject: [h-cost] Ruritanian Purople Feathers [was Planche] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:29:34 -0700 Status: RO Well y'know, I Googled on "ruritanian purple" and the very first hit was http://www.dreamworker-magazine.com/frontpage/purplefeathers.html Will that do? :-) MaggiRos >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume >Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:10:03 -0500 > >Ah, could somone point to an online copy of the article. Not sure I want >to >spend $16 for one article. Thanks. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Cheers, Maggie Secara ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 13:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02963 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66HUGC15741; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:30:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HUDD28063; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:30:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f253.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66HTeD27897 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:29:34 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:29:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2002 17:29:34.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[B219F5C0:01C22512] Subject: [h-cost] Ruritanian Purople Feathers [was Planche] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:29:34 -0700 Status: RO Well y'know, I Googled on "ruritanian purple" and the very first hit was http://www.dreamworker-magazine.com/frontpage/purplefeathers.html Will that do? :-) MaggiRos >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Planche, was: Wench Costume >Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:10:03 -0500 > >Ah, could somone point to an online copy of the article. Not sure I want >to >spend $16 for one article. Thanks. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Cheers, Maggie Secara ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 19:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04724 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:05:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66Mm6C26768; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66Mm0D29914; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66Ml1D29761 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip89.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.89]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g66Mks326990 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruritanian Purople Feathers [was Planche] Message-ID: <3D271336.18095.A319E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:56:38 -0700 Status: RO > Well y'know, I Googled on "ruritanian purple" and the very first hit > was http://www.dreamworker-magazine.com/frontpage/purplefeathers.html > > Will that do? :-) > > MaggiRos This has the text, but does not have the drawings which go with it. The drawings are very helpful in understanding what is being discussed in the article. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 6 19:38:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04800 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g66NL4C27998; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66NL0D06556; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66NKlD06502 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2233.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.233]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22963 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2779F1.27175C01@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic "sunglasses" for Renaissance faires References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 19:14:57 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. Textile remnants such as cording did not survive on the ones I have seen. I have, somewhere, a report from an excavation of a Tudor Free Grammar School, in Oxford, I think. The spectacle frames had the attachment points in such a way that it might be possible to fit a cord or cords on near to where modern glasses have their sidepieces (the attachment points in this case being the points at which wire was wound to hold in the lenses). Since the spectacles of that age were used sitting down to read, I suspect that either two earpieces or nothing at all would have sufficed. Of course, if you have a nice period-style pair made up, I would guess safety would be quite a concern. I have also seen pictures of physicians wearing them to do "medical" work, but this was also kind of up-close stuff also, and no earpieces, alone or in pairs, were in evidence. Mike T. > > > Does anyone know of any evidence for Renaissance spectacles worn with a single safety cord rather than ear loops, like the Victorian pince-nez? I have an old pair of frames which would just about do as 17th century reading glasses, but they have only one ring for attaching a cord. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 00:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05717 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g674J5C08315; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:19:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g674J0D02620; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f24.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g674IZD02547 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:18:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:18:30 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 04:18:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruritanian Purople Feathers [was Planche] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 04:18:30.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[59AAE470:01C2256D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 21:18:30 -0700 Status: RO Yes, I know. I was pretty disappointed. Although the drawings aren't specifically addressed in that version of the article. The web version does include an e-mail addy for Linda Reames Fox, so I suppose you (or whoever) could drop her a note. MaggiRos >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruritanian Purople Feathers [was Planche] >Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:56:38 -0700 > > > > Well y'know, I Googled on "ruritanian purple" and the very first hit > > was http://www.dreamworker-magazine.com/frontpage/purplefeathers.html > > > > Will that do? :-) > > > > MaggiRos > >This has the text, but does not have the drawings which go with it. >The drawings are very helpful in understanding what is being >discussed in the article. > > >Kat > >Kat(June Russell) >kat@grendal.rain.com >Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Cheers, Maggie Secara ~The Elizabethan World is at http://ren.dm.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 11:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08273 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67FW9C24830; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67FW0D17101; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67FV3D16953 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvMiFt7tKG0kN1HOtmq0of8="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G65H59E2; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:30:27 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <20020707.083023.-182223.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] Ruritanian purple feathers Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:02:47 +0000 Status: RO Great article--it's about knowing what you are looking at, and figuring out if your sources knew what *they* were looking at when they first attempted to interpret it. One howlingly funny example has the costumed subject wearing a gown with only one functional sleeve, for instance, thanks to a misinterpretive drawing. I teach research and research writing and highly recommend it to my SCA students. Arlys On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:32:39 -0700 kat@grendal.rain.com writes: > Regarding: "The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers" > > Since some of us have never seen the article in question, what's > it about? > > -- Mara ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 11:49:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08279 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67FWbC24863; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67FWZD17216; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67FV4D16957 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OvMiFt7tKG0kJpziukbhDic="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G65H59GE; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:30:27 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com, jane@williams.nildram.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Message-ID: <20020707.083023.-182223.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-25 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:04:29 +0000 Status: RO One of our local Laurels has in fact spun nettles into thread. I don't know if she's woven with it. Maybe Kat does. Arlys On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:54:34 BST writes: > Kendra Van Cleave wrote : > > > I'm making the dress in a sheer cotton voile (the original was > made of > > "nettlecloth" -- any ideas what that is?), > > Only an guess, but I seem to remember being told that you can get a > linen-like thread from nettles. Presumbaly yu cna then weave it into > cloth. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 13:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08567 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:06:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67Gn2C27552; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Gn1D01445; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67GlxD01240 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip195.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.195] (may be forged)) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g67Glqj23792 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:47:53 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Message-ID: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020707.083023.-182223.1.Cley@juno.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:57:28 -0700 Status: RO > One of our local Laurels has in fact spun nettles into thread. I don't > know if she's woven with it. Maybe Kat does. > > Arlys She didn't make enough to weave with. She only made enough for test pieces for spinning to go with her display. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 13:15:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08596 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:15:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67Gx1C27958; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Gx0D03330; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Gw0D03144 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dwin-1307-3 (dwin-1307-3.Linguistics.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.100.54]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with SMTP id g67Gw0E29541 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020707165333.01373ca4@socrates.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie: "Druids" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 09:53:33 -0700 Status: RO At 11:07 PM 7/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >Oh oh oh, I am at this very momemt hurting myself for some undesignated >sins, apparently, by watching a film called "Druids" with Christopher >Lambert and Klaus Maria Brandauer, et al. > >To make it worth my while I will ask of the assembled h-costume multitude... >is there any costume virtue--or any other virtue--in this film at all? >Aside from the brief glorious appearance of Max vonSydow,anyway? > >Oh the pain, the pain! > > >MaggiRos On the other hand, "Druids" pretty much breaks the meter of Joe-Bob Briggs' "breasts count". In a weird way, it was a very enjoyable movie ... particularly once you identified, analyzed, and filtered out the parts that were modern French socio-political posturing. Heather >~noting the remarkably few horned helmets > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 13:23:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08635 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67H71C28337; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67H70D04840; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67H6GD04733 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dwin-1307-3 (dwin-1307-3.Linguistics.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.100.54]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with SMTP id g67H6FE05250 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020707170149.009b5e14@socrates.berkeley.edu> X-Sender: hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: druids Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:01:49 -0700 Status: RO At 02:58 PM 7/3/02 -0400, you wrote: >movie was originally called "Vercingetorix," and for those who haven't seen >it, that's just what it was -- the story of Vercingetorix, the famous chief >of the Gauls defeated by Julius Caesar. Apparently they thought anyone >outside of France would be more likely to go see a movie called "Druids," >although the Druids are barely in it. It seems to have been intended to be >the French "Braveheart," but without the "triumph of the spirit" part. Poor >old Vercingetorix takes a pretty dim view of things right from the start! Perhaps one of the reasons that "Druids" doesn't seem to work as well as "Braveheart" from a dramatic-structure and triumph-of-the-spirit point of view, is that the overall structure of the film is actually remarkably true to the historic events! (Vastly unlike "Braveheart".) Of course, you still had to toss in a gratuitous romance (for which, as far as I know, there is no historic reference -- but, hey, at least they didn't play fast and loose with an actual historic woman) and of course the back-story of the protagonist's youth is fiction, but in terms of the interactions with the Romans and the eventual outcome, the movie stuck pretty close to the known facts. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 18:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14049 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67M45C09738; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67M41D08666; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67M3rD08638 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-33qtm2e.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.216.78]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17RK8F-00083v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:03:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 14:59:55 -0700 Status: RO At 9:57 AM -0700 7/7/02, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > One of our local Laurels has in fact spun nettles into thread. I don't >> know if she's woven with it. Maybe Kat does. >> >> Arlys > >She didn't make enough to weave with. She only made enough for >test pieces for spinning to go with her display. I'm told, though I can't nail down the source at the moment, that nettle linen could be finely spun and woven to make a very sheer and soft fabric, and that some people preferred it as a luxury fabric to linen made from flax. But I also wouldn't be surprised to see it show up, as hemp does, in a coarser form used for practical chores. (To repeat a well-known fact: the original "canvas" was a hempen fabric, named from "cannabis," the Latin word for hemp.) Unlike flax or hemp, the raw materials for nettle linen would have been free for the gathering, at least in Western Europe. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 18:34:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14090 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67MI2C10314; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67MI1D11903; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g67MHxD11891 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26495 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2002 22:17:59 -0000 Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.27) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2002 22:17:59 -0000 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.47.20]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 17:17:56 -0500 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0205_01C225E2.9DB38620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Costume College? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:17:53 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0205_01C225E2.9DB38620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wondering if anyone else on this list is attending. I've never been and I'm going alone, just wondering if there are any folks I should try and meet up with. Allison ------=_NextPart_000_0205_01C225E2.9DB38620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Costume College?

Just wondering if anyone else on this list is = attending.

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------=_NextPart_000_0205_01C225E2.9DB38620-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 18:51:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14140 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:51:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67MZ2C10856; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67MZ1D15599; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67MYpD15557 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707223445.LSGG8262.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:34:45 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c22606$7d57a3b0$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nettlecloth (WAS linen weight?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:34:43 -0700 Status: RO For those who are interested, the 1796 dress made of nettlecloth that started this thread is pictured in a book on Danish fashion called _Moden 1790-1840_ by Ellen Andersen. The fabric looks very much like a fine, sheer cotton -- not at all coarse or even linen-y. There is a note in the section on dress of 1790-1804 that reads, "Women's fabrics: Linen and nettlecloth were the most popular materials for women's gowns, as they were stiffer than muslin and thus well suited to the fashions of the 1790's." - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 18:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14144 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:52:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67Ma1C10915; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Ma0D15841; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67MZbD15746 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707223532.LSTY8262.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:35:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c22606$99672c10$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:35:30 -0700 Status: RO Thanks for all of the input on linen weights -- I think I'm going to go for one of the medium weights (probably 4.6) and see how it goes! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 19:02:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14191 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:02:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67Mk1C11276; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:46:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Mk0D18217; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67MjQD18071 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m146.in-tch.com [216.166.191.146]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g67MVlT08202 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D28C5DA.C849564E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 16:51:06 -0600 Status: RO What Costume College? --sue, wondering if she "killed" the wrong thread by accident.... > Allison Thurman wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone else on this list is attending. > > I've never been and I'm going alone, just wondering if there are any > folks I should try and meet up with. > > Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 19:10:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14223 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:10:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67Ms3C11599; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Ms1D20166; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67Mr6D19960 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707225301.MDHU8262.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:53:01 +0000 Message-ID: <003401c22609$0a3a28a0$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D28C5DA.C849564E@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:52:58 -0700 Status: RO Costume College (http://www.costumecollege.org/) happens every year in Van Nuys, Calif. (near LA). It's a weekend of costume classes (both lecture and hands-on workshops) which is quite fabulous! Allison, I'll be there Sat. & Sun. and would be happy to meet up! Maybe we can have an h-costume lunch? - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 19:18:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14251 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:18:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67N22C12010; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67N21D22262; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67N18D22088 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020707230103.IPDN24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:01:03 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] 1790's corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:01:01 -0700 Status: RO One last post from me! Lately I've been pondering corsets of the 1790's lately, and wondering when the change from the traditionally 18th century shape (cone) gave way to the Regency ("lift and spread") shape in Europe and the U.S. I know we've all moved past the idea that women just stopped wearing ANY corset in the 1790's-1810's, but when did corsets start to change? It seems that even as late as 1795, you still see dresses that were obviously robe a l'anglaises recut with a higher waistline to fit the new style. At the same time, some of the early Directoire dresses (the gathered chemise dresses) have linen under-bodices which may have supported the breasts without need for a corset. However, I question the idea that someone who spent her whole life in corsets would suddenly feel comfortable going without that kind of structure. This all leads me to think that most women must have, for at least some time, worn 18th century-shaped corsets under their early Directoire gowns -- especially as French fashions filtered out to other countries. I know that there are few (if any?) extant corsets from this era (which may in itself answer the "did they wear a corset" question). _Revolution in Fashion_ includes one corset from 1790 (still in the 18th c. cone shape) and then skips to 1820 (which has the Regency "lift and spread" shape). Cunnington's _English Women's Clothing in the 19th Century_ writes re: the period 1800-1820, that there is little information on this period and so accepts examples of the 1820's as representative of the earlier period. Can anyone point me to any other sources that might help me fill in the gaps between 1790 and 1820? Does _Corsets & Crinolines_ touch on this era? Thanks! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 19:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14266 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g67N41C12091; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67N40D22735; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grape.dcsi.net.au (grape.dcsi.net.au [203.22.132.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g67N3hD22667 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sandy (ppp-218.dialup.war.dcsi.net.au [203.56.253.218]) by grape.dcsi.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g67N3bOW018436 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:03:38 +1000 Message-Id: <200207072303.g67N3bOW018436@grape.dcsi.net.au> From: "Frojel Gotlandica" To: "h-costume@indra.com" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2380) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020707165333.01373ca4@socrates.berkeley.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5153984=_=_=_" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie: "Druids" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Frojel Gotlandica" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:03:37 +1000 Status: RO --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5153984=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks OK the bead CD is now up on Professor Carlssons site. For those interested have a look at :- http://www16.aname.net/~arkeodok/ First in a series from Gotland University's Archaeology Department. One nice difference is that they should be in colour as opposed to different gray textures as in many of the archaeology books. Gotland is where over 80% of the Viking age finds in Sweden come from. It was a major trading centre in the Baltic up until the Battle of Visby. Cheers Sandy Fr=94jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5153984=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Hi Folks
OK the bead CD is now up on Professor Carlssons site.
For those interested have a look at :-
http://www16.aname.net/~arkeodok/=
First in a series from Gotland University's Archaeology Department.
One nice difference is that they should be in colour as opposed to
different gray textures as in many of the archaeology books.
Gotland is where over 80% of the Viking age finds in Sweden come
from. It was a major trading centre in the Baltic up until the
Battle of Visby.
Cheers
Sandy
Fr=F6jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society.
= http://www.frojel.com/
frojel@frojel.com --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_5153984=_=_=_-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 20:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14511 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:27:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g680B2C14999; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g680B0D07618; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m24.jersey.juno.com (m24.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g680AiD07557 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"6+EQmPyi7QIwbF+RNYxk33J3PBBhb5SJo+82HzjJBtMkbC0pYuLSrQ=="> Received: (from ysabiau@juno.com) by m24.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G66FVSVW; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:10:07 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoulder Roll "tutorial" website-feedback please Message-ID: <20020707.201142.-959541.0.ysabiau@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,8-10 From: Christine Wright Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:11:41 -0400 Status: RO On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:35:09 -0700 "Saragrace knauf" writes: > I have posted a 'how to' on shoulder rolls on my website. I would > appreciate any feedback on clarity etc. Thanks!! I like the notes on how to put it together, and have a quick question - do you think there is any another fabric I could substitute for the felt during construction? I am allergic to wool! Thanks, Ysabiau ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 21:02:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14637 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:02:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g680k1C16518; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g680k0D15731; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g680jdD15670 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g680l4v36186 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207080047.g680l4v36186@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? In-Reply-To: <003401c22609$0a3a28a0$befc8218@WERNTO> "from Kendra Van Cleave at Jul 7, 2002 03:52:58 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 17:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'll be there as well! .heather. > Costume College (http://www.costumecollege.org/) happens every year in Van > Nuys, Calif. (near LA). It's a weekend of costume classes (both lecture and > hands-on workshops) which is quite fabulous! > > Allison, I'll be there Sat. & Sun. and would be happy to meet up! Maybe we > can have an h-costume lunch? > > - Kendra > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 23:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15145 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:04:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g682l5C21402; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g682l0D13474; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g682kgD13402 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2237.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.237]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32353 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:46:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3D28FBAA.FE5FA8D4@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:40:42 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. I have used nettle for various things, none of which has come close to the h-cost standard for content (nettle beer, salads and an attempt at cheese preservation), but I was reading some material a while back that noted that in the deteriorating economy of late WWI Germany, shirts for soldiers were being made from nettle fabric. Whether this is indicative of the low cost of manufacture, the ease of access of the raw material (like cannabis, the leaves of the plant can be used for other purposes, in this case, food) or the coarseness of the cloth (and perhaps the poorness of the product itself), I do not know, as the source did not mention it. I have never seen nettlecloth, but the hemp canvas that I have seen comes in as many grades as those of linen, from coarse sacking to fine sheer cloth suitable for even the most delicate ladies' unmentionables. Nettle, aside from being slightly harder to gather than the previously mentioned materials, can either be sewn as a crop or gathered in the wild. I don't think nettle seed is as valuable as either of the others for oils, so perhaps this might explain it's lack of proper cultivation. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 23:13:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15185 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:13:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g682v4C21754; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g682v0D15741; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:57:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g682ukD15676 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:56:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g682uhU22816 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:56:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:56:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO > Can anyone point me to any other sources that might help me fill in the gaps > between 1790 and 1820? Does _Corsets & Crinolines_ touch on this era? I don't have _Corsets and Crinolines_, so I'm not sure what it does and doesn't have, but one transitional corset that has always interested me is styled like the 18th century conical corsets but is very short, midriff length, made to be worn under high-waisted gowns. There used to be a picture of this corset on the Long Island Staylace Association web page, but the link to that particular image seems to be currently non-functional. To get to the image: go to http://www.staylace.com BE AWARE: This page tends toward the fetish side of corsetry and may have images that some may find offensive. Follow my instructions and you shouldn't be exposed to it. In the frame on the left, scroll down to and click on "Image Galleries" you want Corset Gallery #7, Historical Examples. Skip the first three links and click on the first small image of a corset, which has the caption "2 views - Early-nineteenth century (1819)" Like I said, this image currently seems to be inaccessable, but I hope it will soon be back. It's an interesting corset and a valuable piece of fashion history. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 7 23:17:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15219 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:17:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68314C21957; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68310D16624; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6830ZD16527 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g6830X923257 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:00:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:00:33 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO aha! I found it! Kind of. Direct link to the image: http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery07/graphics/1819.jpg Looking again, I think my remembered interpretation isn't entirely correct, but now you can see and decide for yourselves. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:12:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15459 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:12:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g683u6C24419; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:56:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g683u1D29172; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g683tPD28993 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m199.in-tch.com [216.166.191.199]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g683fkT03619 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:41:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D290E81.92CCA76D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> <3D28FBAA.FE5FA8D4@dandy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:01:05 -0600 Status: RO Of course, there's also that fairy tale about the faithful sister making seven nettle shirts for her brothers, who'd been turned into swans....I know, I know, not exactly a *good* primary source, but I find it interesting that something that sounds so fantastical as making cloth from something as formidable and thorny as a nettle (in a story from an oral tradition) actually may have been possible (also makes me wonder how old that particular tale is...does anyone know? Is it from the Grimm brothers? or maybe a Childe ballad?) --Sue, rambling rather than getting ready for bed ;-D leigh tartaglio wrote: > > Hi, All. I have used nettle for various things, none of which has come close to > the h-cost standard for content (nettle beer, salads and an attempt at cheese > preservation), but I was reading some material a while back that noted that in > the deteriorating economy of late WWI Germany, shirts for soldiers were being > made from nettle fabric. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15496 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:16:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68402C24643; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68401D00285; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g683xGD29923 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m199.in-tch.com [216.166.191.199]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g683jaT04465 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D290F68.BBAFB194@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoulder Roll "tutorial" website-feedback please References: <20020707.201142.-959541.0.ysabiau@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:04:56 -0600 Status: RO Use a felt that's *not* made out of wool? Like a craft felt, maybe? --sue Christine Wright wrote: > > I like the notes on how to put it together, and have a quick question - > do you think there is any another fabric I could substitute for the felt > during construction? I am allergic to wool! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15521 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68434C24783; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68431D00985; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6842ID00797 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020708040212.KEHZ29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:02:12 +0000 Message-ID: <3D290EC2.8030101@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Nettle allergy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:02:10 -0700 Status: RO I hope this is not a silly question. What if someone is allergic to nettles? Would nettle fabric cause the same reaction as the raw nettle? Roscelin Rose Amberwulf Chris Laning wrote: > At 9:57 AM -0700 7/7/02, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > >> > One of our local Laurels has in fact spun nettles into thread. I >> don't >> >>> know if she's woven with it. Maybe Kat does. >>> >>> Arlys >> >> >> She didn't make enough to weave with. She only made enough for >> test pieces for spinning to go with her display. > > > I'm told, though I can't nail down the source at the moment, that > nettle linen could be finely spun and woven to make a very sheer and > soft fabric, and that some people preferred it as a luxury fabric to > linen made from flax. > > But I also wouldn't be surprised to see it show up, as hemp does, in a > coarser form used for practical chores. (To repeat a well-known fact: > the original "canvas" was a hempen fabric, named from "cannabis," the > Latin word for hemp.) > > Unlike flax or hemp, the raw materials for nettle linen would have > been free for the gathering, at least in Western Europe. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15532 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68441C24824; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68441D01276; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f199.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.199]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6843VD01124 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:03:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:03:25 -0700 Received: from 64.123.15.229 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 04:03:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.123.15.229] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Shoulder Roll "tutorial" website-feedback please Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 04:03:25.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[68DCF060:01C22634] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 04:03:25 +0000 Status: RO I have a bodice that's crying out for shoulder rolls. I was thinking I might try cotton flannel instead of felt... Mary/Katerine >Use a felt that's *not* made out of wool? Like a craft felt, maybe? >--sue > >Christine Wright wrote: > > > > > I like the notes on how to put it together, and have a quick question - > > do you think there is any another fabric I could substitute for the felt > > during construction? I am allergic to wool! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:30:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15583 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:30:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g684B4C25108; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684B1D03024; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684AbD02938 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m199.in-tch.com [216.166.191.199]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g683uvT06643 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D291211.50A03C75@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettle allergy References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> <3D290EC2.8030101@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:16:17 -0600 Status: RO I dunno...I always got the impression that the raw stuff causes a reaction because of the spiny outer part (and perhaps sap?)....and that a fabric woven from nettles would be made from inner fibers, after some amount of processing. You'd probably have to take into account the possibly different chemical compositions of the different parts of the nettle plant, and factor in the changes that processing it would add. Maybe it's like poison ivy or oak, which bothers most of us somewhat, some of us severely, and a few not at all?? --maire, liberal arts major, and certainly no botanist Rose Amberwulf wrote: > > I hope this is not a silly question. What if someone is allergic to > nettles? Would nettle fabric cause the same reaction as the raw nettle? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:32:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15591 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:32:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g684G3C25302; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684G0D04158; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684FDD04012 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m199.in-tch.com [216.166.191.199]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6841YT07634 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D291326.80CE2081@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Free to a good home.....(first come, first serve ) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:20:54 -0600 Status: RO Hi, all. I've been doing some *serious* cleaning of my back bedroom, which is where I store all of my fabric bins, half-done projects, etc., and I've found an "orphan" pattern I'd like to give to someone who could put it to use.... It's an old Past Pattern's Edwardian Corset pattern, with pattern pieces for sizes 6? up through 22/24+. Probably had it for 16 years or so, and I have no idea why I acquired it, as I don't do anything that late, time-period wise. At any rate, if any of you are interested, email me off-list, and I'll make arrangements to snail-mail it to you. --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:38:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15628 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:38:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g684M4C25558; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684M0D05616; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684LWD05519 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020708042127.ERNN6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:21:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3D291345.8050104@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 14th Century French lady Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:21:25 -0700 Status: RO I'm slowly working on my SCA 14th century French lady costumes. It dawn on me that I know I have to have the chemise, but was there any other underclothing - breast binding, underwear, so on. I hope someone can at least point me the right direction so I can be as complete as possible in my research. Thank you. Roscelin de Limoges Rose Amberwulf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:40:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15649 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g684O1C25631; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684O0D06098; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684NqD06067 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020708042346.XWEM903.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:23:46 +0000 Message-ID: <003e01c22637$3f39bb00$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:23:44 -0700 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Elizabeth Lehman" <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets > I don't have _Corsets and Crinolines_, so I'm not sure what it does and > doesn't have, but one transitional corset that has always interested me is > styled like the 18th century conical corsets but is very short, midriff > length, made to be worn under high-waisted gowns. http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery07/graphics/1819.jpg This corset (on the left) actually comes from the book _Revolution in Fashion_ (an exhibition at the Kyoto Costume Institute), and is from 1790. It's exactly this shape that interests me -- I'm wondering how long it stayed around before the 1820's corset shape that you see on the right in that image. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 00:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15711 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:46:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g684U4C25856; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684U0D07422; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:30:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pop1.greatbasin.net (pop1.greatbasin.net [207.228.35.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g684TcD07332 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c946283a (24-205-200-4.cs-dyn.charterpipeline.net [24.205.200.4]) by pop1.greatbasin.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g684TcIV024602 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:29:38 -0700 Message-ID: <02e701c22638$5a1a6ae0$6401a8c0@home.com> From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: References: <3D291345.8050104@attbi.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th Century French lady MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:31:33 -0700 Status: RO > I'm slowly working on my SCA 14th century French lady costumes. It > dawn on me that I know I have to have the chemise, but was there any > other underclothing - breast binding, underwear, so on. Apparently not. My lady also found that the sleeveless chemise gives better mobility in a tight gown/cote than the sleeved ones do. The support comes from the kirtle. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 01:23:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15900 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68574C27340; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68570D15885; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6856dD15814 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11691 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:30:46 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? In-Reply-To: <3D290E81.92CCA76D@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Of course, there's also that fairy tale about the faithful sister > making seven nettle shirts for her brothers, who'd been turned into > swans....I know, I know, not exactly a *good* primary source, but I > find it interesting that something that sounds so fantastical as > making cloth from something as formidable and thorny as a nettle (in a > story from an oral tradition) actually may have been possible (also > makes me wonder how old that particular tale is...does anyone know? Is > it from the Grimm brothers? or maybe a Childe ballad?) The Wild Swans. Hans Christian Andersen did a version, but I believe he drew on an older story (unlike most of his works, which were original). The princess's eleven brothers are under an enchantment that turned them into swans, and to free them she must gather nettles and use them to make shirts for them. Reading that as a child was my first encounter with "nettles," so I too originally assumed that this was an unlikely material for clothmaking. Later I came to understand that the formidable nature of the task had to do with the way the princess had to gather and prepare the nettles -- picking them with her bare hands, and crushing the stems with her bare feet to get the flax. (Andersen is quite specific about this.) Also, only nettles from churchyards were acceptable, which means she had to go roaming through graveyards to gather them (leading to accusations that she was a witch). As I understand it now, an English schoolchild would have understood immediately where the difficulty lay, both because the use of nettles in textiles was common knowledge, and because English schoolchildren all knew nettles the way we in the States come to know poison ivy -- we're taught to identify it when quite young, and many of us don't reach adulthood without having an unfortunate encounter. But nettles don't grow in the States, at least nowhere I know of, so we aren't aware of their uses. And we don't learn to identify (and avoid) them. So I didn't recognize them, or even consider the possibility of their presence, as I tramped through a churchyard in the Cotswalds one summer day in 1985 or so, reading medieval grave markers. Moments after I swept a cluster of weeds away from a tombstone, my hand and arm started to burn and swell horribly. So I did what any American would do upon encountering poison ivy -- located a spigot and plunged my arm under running water. It didn't help. Not knowing whether medical attention would be needed, my traveling companion and I decided to seek help from a local. It was Sunday and the shops were closed. Then I came to a furnituremaker's shop and saw the owner working in a front room, and banged on the window. He seemed hugely amused at these two clueless Americans who didn't know what a common nettle looked like, much less what to do about it. First he asked me when I'd encountered the nettles, and predicted that within two hours I'd be perfectly fine. (He was right, but it was hard to believe at that moment, given the red welts covering my forearm.) Then he warned me that I should be very careful NOT to get it wet -- it would increase the pain. (Too late.) And then he brought me to his back garden, plucked a big handful of dockweed, and told me to rub it on my arm. By this time I was sure he was having fun pulling the tourist's leg, but he swore this was a natural remedy that every English child knows, and that he himself often used on his dog, who periodically romped through a nettle patch. (Later, others told me this was indeed common knowledge, and that English schoolmasters never fail to point out that the fact that dockweed grows near nettles is an example of Nature providing a remedy for her own ills). The furnituremaker -- a young fellow in his 30s -- also informed me that dockweed was related to cannibis. "You DO know cannibis, don't you?" he grinned. I still have trouble with the idea that the English *eat* nettles. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 01:37:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15929 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:37:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g685L4C27805; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g685L0D19180; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g685K3D18958 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.16f.102a5e5e (4570) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:19:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <16f.102a5e5e.2a5a7afa@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:19:54 EDT Status: RO I'll be going to Costumne College----and will be teaching the gold bullion/metal thread /pearl embroidery class on saturday morning:) Arriving friday late afternoon--leaving sunday by noon. I'll put a red H next to my name on my name badge---Kathryn Wolters----and would love to meet up for an h-costumne lunch. Hope to meet more of you there!! Albra/Kathryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 01:47:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15950 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:47:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g685V4C28163; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g685V0D21324; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g685UsD21285 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11763 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:55:03 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th Century French lady In-Reply-To: <3D291345.8050104@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:55:03 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > I'm slowly working on my SCA 14th century French lady costumes. It > dawn on me that I know I have to have the chemise, but was there any > other underclothing - breast binding, underwear, so on. I have never found any solid indication of any underwear other than the chemise in this place and time. The only reference I've heard to breast bindings is one oft-quoted complaint from a cleric writing in (I think?) the 12th century, who may or may not be an accurate source on typical women's wear. I know of no written references to bust-support garments in the 14th century. At the same time, visual images abound that show nursing Madonnas or other half-dressed women who clearly are wearing only the chemise under their dress, so this is probably more likely to be the norm. >From a practical standpoint, I've found the fitted dress (kirtle, cotte) offers plenty of support, and in my experience would probably not work anywhere near as well in the fitting if there were another support garment underneath. As to underwear below the waist, I would not rule out the possibility of some wrapping or panty-style arrangement during the menstrual period (there are a few documentary references to "menstrual cloths"). But for normal wear, the norm and expectation seems to be that there was nothing under the chemise. In bawdy tales, women need only lift their dresses to allow their lovers swift access, or men take women by surprise by lifting their skirts. This image occurs in pictures as well as writing. Again, from a practical standpoint, it's a royal nuisance to use a toilet when you're wearing underwear beneath long, full skirts, and that nuisance would be compounded to near impossibility with a chamberpot. By contrast, without the encumbrance of underwear, chamberpot use in full skirts would be simple -- straddle and squat. Several times on this list, someone has brought up a particular English misericorde showing a woman donning what looks like boxer shorts. Given that many misericordes illustrate proverbs, and also that they often show role reversals or disruptions of the social order, I would be more inclined to see that as an illustration of an anomaly meant to be obviously ridiculous -- the woman "wearing the pants." Other than that particular image, the references to menstrual cloths, and a sealskin pad tied over the crotch of one of the Greenland corpses (which may have been for either incontinence or menstrual bleeding), I know of no visual or written evidence for 14th century female underwear. I'd love to hear something more solid if it's out there, but at this point I'd guess that even if some exception pops up, the vast majority of evidence still points to chemise-only as the norm. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 02:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24232 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:16:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68605C29190; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68601D27367; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g685xAD27178 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orb.telus.net ([64.180.169.220]) by priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.02 201-253-122-122-102-20011128) with ESMTP id <20020708055902.WWJN5909.priv-edtnes16-hme0.telusplanet.net@orb.telus.net> for ; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:59:02 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020707225807.009f8610@pop.telus.net> X-Sender: a6a21289@pop.telus.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: kris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettle allergy In-Reply-To: <3D291211.50A03C75@in-tch.com> References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> <3D290EC2.8030101@attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:59:27 -0700 Status: RO I certainly haven't had any problems with nettle cloth. It's soft and cool, like linen (at least the kinds I've seen). Granted, I haven't ever worn something of it for a day, but I think that the process of making it into fabric takes away the stingers. kris At 10:16 PM 7/7/02 -0600, you wrote: >I dunno...I always got the impression that the raw stuff causes a >reaction because of the spiny outer part (and perhaps sap?)....and that >a fabric woven from nettles would be made from inner fibers, after some >amount of processing. You'd probably have to take into account the >possibly different chemical compositions of the different parts of the >nettle plant, and factor in the changes that processing it would add. >Maybe it's like poison ivy or oak, which bothers most of us somewhat, >some of us severely, and a few not at all?? >--maire, liberal arts major, and certainly no botanist > >Rose Amberwulf wrote: > > > > I hope this is not a silly question. What if someone is allergic to > > nettles? Would nettle fabric cause the same reaction as the raw nettle? >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 02:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30133 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g686C4C29665; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g686C1D29695; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f29.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g686BoD29620 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:11:45 -0700 Received: from 68.6.212.114 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:11:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.212.114] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 06:11:45.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[56004660:01C22646] Subject: [h-cost] Costume College? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:11:44 +0000 Status: RO Thanks for asking about this! I had not heard of this before, but am going to plan on going next summer. I hope you and anyone else going has a wonderful time this year. Please report back and let us know how it was. :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 03:39:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21737 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:39:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g687N5C01887; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:23:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g687N1D14051; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g687MwD14036 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id AAA26944 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200207080742.AAA26944@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Robin says: >But nettles don't grow in the States, at least nowhere I know of, so we >aren't aware of their uses. Oh, they certainly grow here on the west coast. And I seem to remember them growing in big, evil patches when we lived in Illinois. Where do you live? Gah, in fact, we must go do battle with the nettles in the backyard again. They keep trying to grow into bushes. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 04:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14327 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g687p4C02466; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g687p1D19500; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g687odD19445 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-33qtnhd.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.222.45] helo=[199.174.222.89]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17RTI6-0008RG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 03:50:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D291211.50A03C75@in-tch.com> References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> <3D290EC2.8030101@attbi.com> <3D291211.50A03C75@in-tch.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Nettle allergy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:49:01 -0700 Status: RO At 10:16 PM -0600 7/7/02, Sue Clemenger wrote: >I dunno...I always got the impression that the raw stuff causes a >reaction because of the spiny outer part (and perhaps sap?)...[snip] > >Maybe it's like poison ivy or oak, which bothers most of us somewhat, >some of us severely, and a few not at all?? Nope. Specialized stinging hairs all over the plant. They actually work like miniature hypodermic needles to inject an irritant under the skin. Strictly speaking it's not an "allergy," since it gets virtually everyone who touches the plant -- even through blue jeans on occasion, as I can testify from personal experience. In bad cases nettle stings can even raise blisters. Legend has it that if you grasp the nettle plant FIRMLY it won't sting you, presumably because you have crushed the stinging cells before they get you, but I don't know anyone who has managed to achieve this. Young, tender nettle plants, BTW, are quite edible (you gather them with rubber gloves on) when steamed like spinach, and heat inactivates the irritant. Presumably the fact that they sting makes them less attractive to animals like cows and horses, which don't cook :) The fibers are well inside the plant and aren't affected at all. At 12:30 AM -0500 7/8/02, Robin Netherton wrote: >But nettles don't grow in the States, at least nowhere I know of, so we >aren't aware of their uses. And we don't learn to identify (and avoid) >them. Actually they do, in the east, northeast and southern parts of the country. They tend to grow in thickets, in rich damp soil and sometimes in disturbed areas if there's enough moisture. They're pretty nondescript, so you wouldn't see them unless you were looking for them, especially since they have tiny inconspicuous greenish flowers. My own encounters with them were in Indiana and Ohio. >...[snip]... >The furnituremaker -- a young fellow in his 30s -- also informed me that >dockweed was related to cannibis. "You DO know cannibis, don't you?" he >grinned. Um, he got it slightly backwards. The _nettle_ family and the Cannabis family are next-door neighbors, with the closest relatives to both of them being the elm and mulberry families. Dock, OTOH, is off in a different sublcass of the flowering plants, related to carnations, cactus, and beets. Dock and Cannabis _could_ be more unrelated and both still be flowering plants, but it would be a little difficult. >I still have trouble with the idea that the English *eat* nettles. Think of it as revenge :) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris "why, yes, I DO have a botany degree" Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 05:28:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25735 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:28:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g689C5C05164; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:12:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g689C1D05436; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g689BLD05203 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:11:15 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:11:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 09:11:15.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[69B9D450:01C2265F] Subject: [h-cost] Puurple Feathers was: Planche Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 02:11:12 -0700 Status: RO Apologies if this has already been brought up (I'm still catching up on my h-costume reading from the week :} ) but the article you mentioned (and mentioned having difficulty finding) is available on the web: The Problem of Ruritanian Purple Feathers An Essay on Documentation http://www.dreamworker-magazine.com/frontpage/purplefeathers.html Hope this helps. :) I was curious, so I'd typed it into Google to look for references, and I was surprised to find the *actual* article available. -Laura _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 06:12:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26358 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:12:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g689u4C06198; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g689u1D11486; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g689teD11416 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:55:35 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:55:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 09:55:35.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AD296C0:01C22665] Subject: [h-cost] Nettles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 02:55:34 -0700 Status: RO Alright... A few ramblings on nettles, from what I remember of my time in Germany. Where we were living (south of Munich), nettles grew as weeds only, and so I would assume that this would make them a cheap, easy to find alternative to flax. I know that there are two types (or more) of nettles, and that there are stinging, and non-stinging varieties. What's more, in the case of the type of nettles that grew by our house, the plant no longer stung after flowering. (I actually remember as a child, going up and pushing a leaf aside to get a better view of a pretty white flower, and then realizing it was a nettle and that it had *not* stung me...) And one last bit of memory that's filtering to the surface (source unknown) is that nettle stems were soaked (in water? something elselike an acidic agent?), beaten, soaked again, and then prepared much like flax. I don't know if this helps... Anyone have any further input? :) -Laura _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 06:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26478 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68A74C06606; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68A71D13611; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68A6fD13555 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-121-25.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.25]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIB93536; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:06:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <019c01c22668$43ec2940$19794ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:14:32 +0100 Status: RO >I know that there are two types (or more) of nettles, and that there are stinging, and non-stinging varieties. Which are unrelated >What's more, in the case of the type of nettles that grew by our house, the plant no longer stung after flowering. This is not true of any stinging nettle I have ever know unfortunatly :( After rain they don't sting as the acid is washed off. And it is after rain one harvests them for cloth manufacture. >And one last bit of memory that's filtering to the surface (source unknown) is that nettle stems were soaked (in water? something elselike an acidic agent?), beaten, soaked again, and then prepared much like flax. Yes preperation is much like flax, with soaking & beating Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 06:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26489 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68AA5C06740; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68AA1D14225; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68A9ZD14159 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68A9Vk90347; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:09:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207081009.g68A9Vk90347@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:09:31 BST Status: RO Kala Jathos wrote : > I know that there are two types (or more) of nettles, and that there > are stinging, and non-stinging varieties. > > What's more, in the case of the type of nettles that grew by our house, the > plant no longer stung after flowering. (I actually remember as a child, > going up and pushing a leaf aside to get a better view of a pretty white > flower, and then realizing it was a nettle and that it had *not* stung > me...) Stinging nettles have tiny green flowers, and they *do* sting at any time. (well, very young leaves don't, but the rest of the plant will) The ones with white flowers are "dead nettles", and while the leaf shape looks similar, I gather they're not related. The stem shape is different: very square stem on a dead nettle, as far as I remmeber (don't have any growing in the office, though I might go looking lunchtime). And no, they don't sting. The story about "nettles in flower don't sting" was actually an important lesson in Growing Up for me. Aged about 6 or so: a nice man told the little girl this thing about how if a nettle has flowers on, it's safe to touch. He thought he was being helpful. I knew perfectly well what nettle flowers looked like (green), knew the difference between a dead nettle and a stinging nettle, and nevertheless believed what he said, because he was an adult. Tests (and badly stung hands) proved that he had been misleading. Stinging nettles sting. Important lesson learnt: adults can be wrong, too. Quick Google search... stinging nettle is Urtica dioica (and found lots of herbalism pages on what to do with it) Dead neetle is Lamium album. Nice picture here: http://www.purplesage.org.uk/profiles/whitedeadnettle.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 06:33:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA26506 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68AH4C06945; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68AH0D15624; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68AGnD15589 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:16:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip158.97.susc.suscom.net [64.78.97.158]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE8B710F2F6 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009701c22668$5bb2bd50$9e614e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost> <3D28FBAA.FE5FA8D4@dandy.net> <3D290E81.92CCA76D@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:14:52 -0400 Status: RO Brothers Grimm. I still have the book, or my sister has it, somewhere. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? > Of course, there's also that fairy tale about the faithful sister making > seven nettle shirts for her brothers, who'd been turned into swans....I > know, I know, not exactly a *good* primary source, but I find it > interesting that something that sounds so fantastical as making cloth > from something as formidable and thorny as a nettle (in a story from an > oral tradition) actually may have been possible (also makes me wonder > how old that particular tale is...does anyone know? Is it from the Grimm > brothers? or maybe a Childe ballad?) > --Sue, rambling rather than getting ready for bed ;-D > > leigh tartaglio wrote: > > > > Hi, All. I have used nettle for various things, none of which has come close to > > the h-cost standard for content (nettle beer, salads and an attempt at cheese > > preservation), but I was reading some material a while back that noted that in > > the deteriorating economy of late WWI Germany, shirts for soldiers were being > > made from nettle fabric. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 07:03:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26583 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:03:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Ak4C07745; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Ak0D21075; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grape.dcsi.net.au (grape.dcsi.net.au [203.22.132.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Aj4D20851 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sandy (ppp-22.dialup.war.dcsi.net.au [203.56.253.22]) by grape.dcsi.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g68AivOW031318 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:44:59 +1000 Message-Id: <200207081044.g68AivOW031318@grape.dcsi.net.au> From: "Frojel Gotlandica" To: "h-costume@indra.com" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2380) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) In-Reply-To: <3D291211.50A03C75@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettle allergy You asked X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g68Aj4D20851 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Frojel Gotlandica" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 20:44:58 +1000 Status: RO Here is what Info I have on nettles in my data base. Certainly not complete but it will give you the general idea. Hope it helps. Sandy Nettle was cultivated in Scotland for the fibers in the stalks, to make a durable linen-like cloth. This use goes back to the Bronze Age. The very name Nettle comes from words meaning 'textile plant.'Nettle was popular as an agent that, by irritating the skin of an inflamed area, caused increased blood flow to the area, thereby reducing the inflammation. In Scotland, victims of gout and rheumatism allowed themselves to be scourged with Nettle in the dubious belief that this would alleviate their sufferings. Nettle neutralizes uric acid, prevents its crystallization aiding in its elimination from the system, thus relieving gout and arthritis. Nettle as an astringent helps to stop bleeding. The Nettle 'sting' is from histamine and formic acid in the hairs that trigger allergic response. Nettle is good to use for anemic children as a tea, due to its nutritive value as an herb and its high in iron, silicon and potassium. Nettle is an alkalizing herb and is useful as a rich source of minerals. Nettle aids with diarrhea and dysentery and is good for inflammatory skin conditions. Nettle increases the flow of urine, shrinks inflamed tissues, helps blood circulation and purifies the blood. Nettle is a most excellent remedy for dandruff and will bring back the natural color of hair. Nettle helps to reduce menses flow and it can also be used as a tincture for hypothyroid conditions to increase thyroid function. Nettle it also cleanses the digestive tract and helps with stomach problems. Nettle functions much like a mild Cayenne by opening the vessels, thus increasing circulation and uplifting a weary body relieving fatigue and exhaustion. Nettle can alleviate allergic symptoms such as teary eyes and a runny nose. NOTE: This herb is beneficial during pregnancy. It is a mineral rich nutritive herb with vitamin K to guard against excessive bleeding. It improves kidney function and helps prevent hemorrhoids. A plant of the genus Urtica, covered with minute sharp hairs containing a poison that produces a stinging sensation. Urtica gracitis is common in the Northern, and U. cham[ae]dryoides in the Southern, United States. the common European species, U. urens and U. dioica, are also found in the Eastern united States. U. pilulifera is the Roman nettle of England. Nettle \Net"tle\, n. [AS. netele; akin to D. netel, G. nessel, OHG. nezz["i]la, nazza, Dan. nelde, n["a]lde, Sw. n["a]ssla; cf, Lith. notere.] (Bot.) A plant of the genus Urtica, covered with minute sharp hairs containing a poison that produces a stinging sensation. Urtica gracitis is common in the Northern, and U. cham[ae]dryoides in the Southern, United States. the common European species, U. urens and U. dioica, are also found in the Eastern united States. U. pilulifera is the Roman nettle of England. Nicholas Culpepper (17th century astrologer-physician) " The roots or leaves, or the juice of them, boiled and made into an electuary with honey and sugar, is a safe and sure medicine to open the passages of the lungs, which is the cause of wheezing and shortness of the breath. It helps to expectorate phlegm and to raise the imposthumed pleurisy. As a gargle it helps the swelling of the mouth and throat. A decoction of the leaves provokes the courses and urine and expels gravel and stone. It kills worms in children, eases pain in the sides and dissolves wind in the spleen. The seed taken as a drink is remedy against the bites of dogs and the poisinous qualities of Hemlock, Henbane, Nightshade and Mandrake. The bruised seed or leaves put into the nostrils takes away the polypus. The juice of the leaves or a decoction of the root is used as a wash for fistulas and gangrenes and for corroding scabs or itch." Stinging nettle is difficult to harvest, but has a wealth of uses. When the Romans invaded Europe and Britain, they brought nettles with them, believing they would need them to beat themselves to keep warm. They were also used in this way on areas affected by arthritis or rheumatism. (1) The young leaves may be eaten as a "green, leafy vegetable" and are a good source of minerals. (1,2) The fibers from the stalks were used to make a very fine soft cloth, rope, fishing nets and whatever else needed to be sewn before flax and hemp came along. Slightly more difficult to harvest than flax it does however make a comparable soft fine cloth and is treated in the same manner to seperate the fibres then spun and woven. Formic acid and histamine cause the characteristic sting from the common nettle. (1) The juice from the plant is one of the remedies to counteract the sting. Yellowdock or curly dock can also be used to antidote the sting as can rosemary, mint and sage. (2) Regular toothpaste may also help neutralize the formic acid. Why is the nettle such an important medicinal herb if it is so difficult to harvest? It is very good at gathering minerals from the ground, which are much needed to treat many imbalances in the body. Nettles contain acetylcholine, calcium, chlorine, chlorophyll, formic acid, glucoquinones, histamine, iodine, iron, magnesium, potassium, serotonin, silicon, sulfur, tannin, and vitamins A, B, C and K (1,3,4)) They have a cooling energy, and are drying and astringent. (1) The aerial parts may be used as an astringent, diuretic, expectorant, hemostatic (stop bleeding), circulatory stimulant, nutritive tonic, improve milk flow for nursing, lower blood sugar levels, treat gout and arthritis, and prevent scurvy. (1,3) The combination of iron and vitamin C is useful in treating anemia, because the vitamin C improves iron absorption from the GI tract. (1) When boiled, they have also been used as a green dye. (2) The root is used in combination with other herbs such as saw palmetto and pygeum to relieve symptoms of benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH). It has also been used as a conditioner for dandruff and hair loss. (1) When mixed with salt and boiled it produces a yellow dye. (2) Nettles are also helpful in relieving the symptoms of hayfever and other allergic reactions that produce increased congestion in the sinuses. (3) The mineral content makes nettles helpful for goiter, osteoporosis, muscle cramps, high blood pressure and malabsorption syndrome. Almost any condition that requires improved mineral balance will benefit from nettles. Nettles may be used as a tea, tincture, compress, in ointment or powdered, depending on the area of use. The root may be tinctured or simmered in water to make a decoction. The young sprouts in spring may be prepared as a vegetable or added to soup. A type of beer was made with the young sprouts in earlier times. (2) A recipe for Nettle Pudding and Nettle Beer may be found in our Recipes section. A cup or two of nettle tea drunk daily will help with gout, rheumatism, eczema, milk production, and heavy menstrual or other internal bleeding. (1) An infusion of nettles and red clover, mixed in equal proportions, helps cleanse the blood and is useful in treating acne. A compress soaked in nettle tea may be applied to arthritic joints, tendinitis, sprains and sciatica to relieve pain. Because of its astringency, nettles may be made into an ointment for hemorrhoids or the tea may be used in a sitz bath. Powdered nettle leaves may be inhaled like snuff to stop nosebleeds. The juice from the whole fresh plant may be used to antidote the sting and as a tonic for debilitated conditions or for a weak heart with fluid retention. (1) Maude Grieve offers a recipe for Nettle Hair Tonic: "Simmer a handful of young Nettles in a quart of water for 2 hours, strain and bottle when cold. Well saturate the scalp with the lotion every other night. This prevents the hair from falling and renders it soft and glossy." (2) The root may be used similarly. Although nettles have no known side effects, there are some potential interactions to be aware of with certain prescription medications. Because of its vitamin K content, it has the potential to decrease the effectiveness of blood-thinning medications. It may increase the effectiveness is diuretics and medications that lower blood pressure. This should be watched in very elderly people who are more likely to lose their balance easily when blood pressure is too low. Nettles may also increase the effectiveness of anti-diabetic drugs commonly used in adult-onset diabetes. It has a hypoglycemic effect of its own. Nettles may still be used in any of these conditions, but a consistent daily amount should be taken to allow for adjustments in medications if necessary. Stinging nettle is truly a useful herb even if it is a pain to pick. It is one of the best sources of minerals and has a wide variety of uses. It may even be considered a food when picked in the spring. Of course, don’t forget your gloves. Fr”jel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society. http://www.frojel.com/ frojel@frojel.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 07:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26655 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:23:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68B74C08465; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68B70D25117; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68B68D24958 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:06:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJUNSW85XC00PKNS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:05:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJUNS43TU000OXSX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:58:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:54:57 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:54:54 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:54:51 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) In-reply-to: <200207081008.g68A86D13856@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:54:50 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > As I understand it now, an English schoolchild would have > understood immediately where the difficulty lay, both because the > use of nettles in textiles was common knowledge, Not that common - I had no idea they were used for textiles until I had been involved in historic costuming for some time. > and because English schoolchildren all knew nettles the way we in > the States come to know poison ivy -- we're taught to identify it > when quite young, and many of us don't reach adulthood without > having an unfortunate encounter. Ain't that the truth. We had nettles in our garden, and they grow wild all over the place. Most English children learn to avoid nettles, (or recognize dock-leaves which can be rubbed on as a remedy to the nettle-rash) at a fairly early age - right Jane, Mel? Of course, the non-stingng variety looks so similar (appart from the flowers being whiter/less green, I think) that it's best to avoid all varieties than take a chance on the one you see being a no-stinging type. Worse, bith varieties can grow close-togehter so you may think you're safe and get stung anyway - I've been caught out that way. I once fell into a patch of nettles when playing with a group of other children and emerged unharmed so thought I was safe to take a short cut through the nettlepatch a little later and my legs were a mass of nettle rash from the stinging nettles in among the harmless ones. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 07:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26707 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68BJ4C08687; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BJ1D27339; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta01bw.bigpond.com (mta01bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BHwD27175 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta01bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta01bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id GYXGPO00.5CW for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:17:49 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.17 ([203.54.114.17]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 2/786529); 08 Jul 2002 21:17:41 Message-ID: <3D2A64D1.DA1A6C49@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles References: <200207081009.g68A9Vk90347@bart.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 21:21:37 -0700 Status: RO jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > Kala Jathos wrote : > > > I know that there are two types (or more) of nettles, and that there > > are stinging, and non-stinging varieties. > > > > What's more, in the case of the type of nettles that grew by our house, the > > plant no longer stung after flowering. (I actually remember as a child, > > going up and pushing a leaf aside to get a better view of a pretty white > > flower, and then realizing it was a nettle and that it had *not* stung > > me...) > > Stinging nettles have tiny green flowers, and they *do* sting at any time. (well, very young leaves don't, but the rest of the plant will) > > The ones with white flowers are "dead nettles", and while the leaf shape looks similar, I gather they're not related. The stem shape is different: very square stem on a dead nettle, as far as I remmeber (don't have any growing in the office, though I might go looking lunchtime). And no, they don't sting. > I knew about white nettles when I was a kiddie too. They seem to grow here (in Australia) but I've never seen the stinging variety (though it's a bit hard to tell when they're not flowering and I'm not game to touch and see). Maybe I'll have a look at stem shape next time I see some. A little more on topic I used to cringe in horror when I read about the girl making shirts from nettles..... Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 07:48:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26764 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68BW4C09041; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BW1D29694; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BVuD29673 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb05la (unverified [10.1.200.108]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:28:14 -0700 thread-index: AcImcoytqM++AnH7R2aKqaNziN4gbA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Nettle allergy You asked From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettle allergy You asked Message-ID: <03b701c22672$8cade8d0$6cc8010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03B8_01C22637.E04F10D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 04:28:14 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03B8_01C22637.E04F10D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get eczema on my hands occasionally. If nettles are in season I go and run my hands through the tops of the nettle patch - agony for about 20 minutes, settle down to a slow burn, and after an hour or so the rash has gone and it's taken the heat out of the eczema. It also works for various allergic rashes I get to various things. Strange but true. It's also very effective for cold sores and chilblains, but I don't get these. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. ------=_NextPart_000_03B8_01C22637.E04F10D0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I get eczema on my hands occasionally. If nettles are in season I go and run my hands through the tops of the nettle patch - agony for about 20 minutes, settle down to a slow burn, and after an hour or so the rash has gone and it's taken the heat out of the eczema. It also works for various allergic rashes I get to various things.

Strange but true.

It's also very effective for cold sores and chilblains, but I don't get these.

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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:53:20 +0100 Status: RO >at a fairly early age - right Jane, Mel? Too right >Of course, the non-stingng variety looks so similar (appart from the flowers being whiter/less green, I think) you townie Teddy ;) The leaves have only a very passing resemblance :) The dead nettles are softer shape than stingers a completly different green and shorter, much shorter. You suck the nectar out of the white flowers > a little later and my legs were a mass of nettle rash from the stinging nettles in among the harmless ones. Are you sure it hadn't rained the first time ? It is rare to see patches of dead nettles at least in the midlands ! Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 08:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27013 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:14:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Bw4C09849; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Bw0D04956; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68BvQD04780 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 05:57:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11381.; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:58:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:57:19 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g68BvQD04780 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:56:54 +0100 Status: RO Teddy wrote: >> As I understand it now, an English schoolchild would have >> understood immediately where the difficulty lay, both because the >> use of nettles in textiles was common knowledge, >Not that common - I had no idea they were used for textiles until I >had been involved in historic costuming for some time. I didn't know either until we were shown nettle fibres during a Field Studies Council course on the uses of wild plants. >Of course, the non-stingng variety looks so similar (appart from the >flowers being whiter/less green, I think) that it's best to avoid all >varieties than take a chance on the one you see being a no-stinging >type. Actually the flowers are quite different; stinging nettles have dangling strings of tiny green ones, deadnettle flowers grow close to the stem and have a distinctive shape with a curved hood. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 08:17:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27027 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:17:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68C12C09991; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:01:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68C11D05651; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68C0VD05561 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11611.; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:01:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:00:25 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g68C0VD05561 Subject: [h-cost] Frontier House on UK TV Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:00:21 +0100 Status: RO Since "Frontier House" was discussed after its US airing, I thought I would mention that it is now being shown on UK's Channel 4 on Sunday evenings. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 08:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27034 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68C31C10084; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:03:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68C30D06070; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68C2SD05934 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g68C2QJU016123 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:02:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > One last post from me! > > Lately I've been pondering corsets of the 1790's lately, and wondering when > the change from the traditionally 18th century shape (cone) gave way to the > Regency ("lift and spread") shape in Europe and the U.S. I know we've all > moved past the idea that women just stopped wearing ANY corset in the > 1790's-1810's, but when did corsets start to change? Hi, Kendra, Coincidentally, I've been working on making a set of stays that are supposed to be dated between 1795 and 1810. They were discussed at one of the Tidy's Symposiums a few years back, and a friend of mine was kind enough to loan me a copy of the proceedings. These stays are definitely transitional -- they're mostly shaped like short-waisted late 18th c. stays (unboned tabs), but with a high waist and boning mostly at the center front, center back, and possibly the long angled side seam. These stays are interesting because they've got a single bust gusset inserted in the front. I'm making these up because I really don't like the idea of the long-line Regency stays (a la Mantua Makers) which come over the hip -- I'd really rather have my hips free. We'll see how it works. Last year I made a set of stays like a set in Waugh's _Corsets and Crinolines_ -- again, from the late 18th c., with unboned tabs and very light boning, but no fabric bust gusset inserted. The center front has a laced section that can be let out to act as a gusset, instead. They worked pretty well, but then I'm not very busty. I can wear my 18th c. stays under my Regency gowns and get a moderately ok result -- I don't get the Jennifer Ehle effect, but then I wouldn't in any case . > It seems that even as late as 1795, you still see dresses that were > obviously robe a l'anglaises recut with a higher waistline to fit the new > style. At the same time, some of the early Directoire dresses (the gathered > chemise dresses) have linen under-bodices which may have supported the > breasts without need for a corset. However, I question the idea that > someone who spent her whole life in corsets would suddenly feel comfortable > going without that kind of structure. This all leads me to think that most > women must have, for at least some time, worn 18th century-shaped corsets > under their early Directoire gowns -- especially as French fashions filtered > out to other countries. I suspect you're probably right -- older women, at least, might have been more likely to stick with styles of undergarments that they were used to in their youth. > Can anyone point me to any other sources that might help me fill in the gaps > between 1790 and 1820? Does _Corsets & Crinolines_ touch on this era? > > Thanks! > > - Kendra I can't remember which page the one I made last year is on, but yes, there's a set in there that more or less fits the bill. I'm hoping that this new pair, with the bust gussets inserted, will look more like the ones in this picture: http://www.songsmyth.com/plates/1824corset.jpg It's interesting that this plate (you can see the caption here: http://www.songsmyth.com/underthings.html ) dates from 1824, which overlaps the date at which the other style of corset (seen higher up on the page) seems to have come into vogue. So it seems like there must have been some overlap. Interestingly, there's a paper on "The Unfashionable Use of Stays" that talks about how older country women in Britain were wearing stays with wooden busks into the beginning of the 20th century, I think -- again, women sticking with styles they wore in their youth, even though the outer clothing styles may have changed somewhat. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 08:29:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27087 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:29:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68CD4C10398; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68CD0D07974; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68CC8D07853 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g68CC7JU017002 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah... that's an illustration from 'Revolution in Fashion', a nearly unobtainable book. Very much like the corset in Waugh; I wish one could see the front... -- Mara On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > aha! I found it! Kind of. > > Direct link to the image: > http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery07/graphics/1819.jpg > > Looking again, I think my remembered interpretation isn't entirely > correct, but now you can see and decide for yourselves. > > Emma > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 08:59:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31341 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Ch4C11689; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Ch1D13990; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68CgVD13890 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.7e.2a20ce85 (3948) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <7e.2a20ce85.2a5ae2aa@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7e.2a20ce85.2a5ae2aa_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Robin's nettle encounter Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:42:18 EDT Status: RO --part1_7e.2a20ce85.2a5ae2aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<...he swore [dockweed] was a natural remedy that every English child knows, and that he himself often used on his dog, who periodically romped through a nettle patch. (Later, others told me this was indeed common knowledge, and that English schoolmasters never fail to point out that the fact that dockweed grows near nettles is an example of Nature providing a remedy for her own ills).>> That's fascinating to me, because I have only studied American herbs and herbal remedies. My sole knowledge of nettles is from Disney's "Bedknobs & Broomsticks"; the English stew them as vegetables. --Gillian --part1_7e.2a20ce85.2a5ae2aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<...he swore [dockweed] was a
natural remedy that every English child knows, and that he himself often
used on his dog, who periodically romped through a nettle patch. (Later,
others told me this was indeed common knowledge, and that English
schoolmasters never fail to point out that the fact that dockweed grows
near nettles is an example of Nature providing a remedy for her own ills).>>


That's fascinating to me, because I have only studied American herbs and herbal remedies.  My sole knowledge of nettles is from Disney's "Bedknobs & Broomsticks"; the English stew them as vegetables.

--Gillian

 --part1_7e.2a20ce85.2a5ae2aa_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:21:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31540 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68D55C12808; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68D51D19156; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68D40D18881 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJUS6HSB2800PKNS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:03:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJUS6GHBIO00TEME@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:03:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:00:16 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:00:06 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:59:58 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) In-reply-to: <200207081204.g68C45D06343@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:59:57 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >Of course, the non-stingng variety looks so similar (appart from the > flowers being whiter/less green, I think) > > you townie Teddy ;) Huh! Half and half, thank's *very* much, Mel.... I grew up on the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a few minutes walk of open downland. > The leaves have only a very passing resemblance :) The dead nettles > are softer shape than stingers a completly different green and > shorter, much shorter. You suck the nectar out of the white flowers Close enough for me to mistake them - besides, no-one realized I needed glasses until I was eleven. Details were often difficult to make out until my nose was within stinging range... > > a little later and my legs were a mass of nettle rash from the > > stinging nettles in among the harmless ones. > > Are you sure it hadn't rained the first time ? Pretty sure I just didn't fall as far into the nettles as I later ran while taking the shortcut, the ones by the path must have all been dead- nettles (or the few stinging nettles were crused before they could sting me and/or the dead nettles prevented them from making contact....) It was only about a half-hour later that I tried the shortcut. > It is rare to see patches of dead nettles at least in the midlands > ! I don;'t recall them being that common in Bedfordshire either, the stinging variety I tend to remember better, however... I wonder why that should be?.... Teddy (taking a brief break from a *mountain* of cataloguing while I'm filling in on a different site.... Enjoying the break while it lasts, nearly a week off sick will have rendered the waiting mountain of books even larger.... Aaaaaargh!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:31:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31628 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:31:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68DF4C13225; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DF1D21837; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DE7D21566 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-125-130.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.125.130]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC06250; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:13:55 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <036201c22682$73499000$19794ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Robin's nettle encounter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_035F_01C2268A.D43B65C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:22:02 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_035F_01C2268A.D43B65C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >the English stew them as vegetables. Not very often these days :) Mel ------=_NextPart_000_035F_01C2268A.D43B65C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>the English stew them as=20 vegetables.
 
Not very often these days = :)
 
Mel
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It's gone now! --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:35:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31693 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68DJ2C13565; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DJ1D22929; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DIWD22834 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-125-130.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.125.130]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC06480; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:18:21 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <036801c22683$11ff23e0$19794ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:26:29 +0100 Status: RO >Huh! Half and half, thank's *very* much, Mel.... I grew up on the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a few minutes walk of open downland. Sorry couldn't resist :0) >, no-one realized I needed glasses until I was eleven. Ah well that makes a differance, girls know the differance (8 & 5 now) > Pretty sure I just didn't fall as far into the nettles as I later ran while taking the shortcut, the ones by the path must have all been dead- Yes dead nettle are common near paths > I don;'t recall them being that common in Bedfordshire either, the stinging variety I tend to remember better, however... I wonder why that should be?.... cause they hurt !!! No I meant they are fairly common but not in the same place as stingers, probably because their needs differ. Stingers I think also take over from them if I recall Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:35:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31699 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68DJ8C13576; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DJ4D22954; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DIjD22878 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.41.1fc1cb09 (3948) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <41.1fc1cb09.2a5aeb22@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_41.1fc1cb09.2a5aeb22_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] nettles-- correcting myself Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:18:26 EDT Status: RO --part1_41.1fc1cb09.2a5aeb22_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take that back! I have read about nettles in my American herbs studies -- dead ones, anyway. I just knew them as "Archangel". I still don't remember studying stinging nettles, but it has been awhile... In either case, I wouldn't dare a cloth made of the stuff with my allergies to linen, wool, mohair, etc. I might sew it for other people, if asked, but never wear it. --Gillian, who just got a rash on both forearms because her client didn't prewash his linen before giving it to her to sew into tunics. --part1_41.1fc1cb09.2a5aeb22_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take that back!  I have read about nettles in my American herbs studies -- dead ones, anyway.  I just knew them as "Archangel".  I still don't remember studying stinging nettles, but it has been awhile...

In either case, I wouldn't dare a cloth made of the stuff with my allergies to linen, wool, mohair, etc.  I might sew it for other people, if asked, but never wear it.

--Gillian,
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Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 5958 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Anyone used Simplicity pattern 5958? if so, can you let me know what you think of it as a startign point for the frock-coat long waistcoat combination? Ta muchly Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:45:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31743 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:45:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68DT6C13984; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DT1D25647; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DSZD25528 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68DSVJ92845; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:28:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207081328.g68DSVJ92845@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:28:31 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > > >Of course, the non-stingng variety looks so similar (appart from the > > flowers being whiter/less green, I think) > > > > you townie Teddy ;) > > Huh! Half and half, thank's *very* much, Mel.... I grew up on > the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a few minutes walk of > open downland. You know what's really weird? I grew up on a different outer edge of the same small town (well, if you count Luton/Dunstable as the same place, and as small). > Close enough for me to mistake them - besides, no-one realized I > needed glasses until I was eleven. Snap.... I'm getting worried. I am *NOT* a clone of Teddy. OK, if you averaged us out you'd get a normal-width person of normal costume-making ability, but.... > I don;'t recall them [dead nettles] being that common in Bedfordshire either, Common in our garden, for some reason. No stingers there, though. And acres of both, mixed, in Bedford Priory Park at the moment. (If anyone wants to try making the fibre and the cloth, I can get you the raw materials by the ton!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31767 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:48:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68DW2C14154; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:32:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DW0D26562; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DV5D26287 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a242.in-tch.com [66.62.107.42]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g68DHPT07291 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D29956D.3D4F04A7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Speaking of weeds.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:36:45 -0600 Status: RO Speaking of using plants we may often consider weeds, some friends of mine, who are into natural dyeing, have discovered that you can get really nifty shades of green using tansy or knapweed (whole plant, no root in both cases), both of which are ubiquitous around here (Montana has a bad problem with these and other "noxious weeds."). You even get a really decent darker green if you do an iron bath on the fibers after the dyeing. I've just seen the results on wool and silk fibers (the wool definitely took the dye more strongly), although they apparently played with some linen threads as well. No idea how colorfast it is, but now I'm sure wishing I could find some white wool *fabric.*....*sigh* ;-) --sue, who's also discovered you get a really good, screaming yellow using dandelion flowers, which makes an eye-popping bright green when you overdye it with indigo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 09:57:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31828 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:57:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Df4C14563; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Df1D29098; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DeCD28813 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13651 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:04:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Nettle allergy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Chris Laning wrote: > At 12:30 AM -0500 7/8/02, Robin Netherton wrote: > >But nettles don't grow in the States, at least nowhere I know of, so we > >aren't aware of their uses. And we don't learn to identify (and avoid) > >them. > > Actually they do, in the east, northeast and southern parts of the > country. Wow. I wonder why we never hear about them here? You'd think we'd all have early lessons on how to avoid the things. Or is it a less potent variety or something? > >The furnituremaker -- a young fellow in his 30s -- also informed me that > >dockweed was related to cannibis. "You DO know cannibis, don't you?" he > >grinned. > > Um, he got it slightly backwards. No, more likely my imperfect memory is at fault. I was not exactly in the best condition to retain a botany lesson. (And he was, um, really cute.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 10:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31880 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Do4C14964; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Do0D01683; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DnJD01478 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13714 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:13:30 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:13:30 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Teddy wrote: > > As I understand it now, an English schoolchild would have > > understood immediately where the difficulty lay, both because the > > use of nettles in textiles was common knowledge, > > Not that common - I had no idea they were used for textiles until I > had been involved in historic costuming for some time. Sorry. I meant at the time Hans Christian Andersen was writing. Or at least when the story itself developed, as I believe he was drawing on an older source. At least, that was in my head when I wrote, but I wasn't at all clear. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 10:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31891 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68DoPC14984; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:50:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DoID01742; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68DnbD01573 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17RYtV-0005t8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:49:37 -0400 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Organization: PII Message-ID: <000801c22683$f6e577c0$6601a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-reply-to: <20020707.201142.-959541.0.ysabiau@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Felt substitue-was:Shoulder Roll "tutorial" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:32:53 -0700 Status: RO Oh a question that is easy to answer!! I didn't use wool felt. Not sure where you are from, but in the US you can buy inexpensive synthetic felt in 8 1/2 by 11 rectangles in many colors (not that it shows). Shouldn't be a problem. If you are not from the US, I am sure that I could help you find an online source. Just let me know. **I like the notes on how to put it together, and have a quick **question - do you think there is any another fabric I could **substitute for the felt during construction? I am allergic to wool! ** **Thanks, **Ysabiau _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 10:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32010 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:20:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68E47C15921; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:04:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68E43D06237; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68E3TD06020 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.dc.19943cf6 (4158) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:03:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dc.19943cf6.2a5af5a8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:03:20 EDT Status: RO --part1_dc.19943cf6.2a5af5a8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/2002 11:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu writes: > > Direct link to the image: > http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery07/graphics/1819.jpg > > These are images from "The Revolution in Fashion"....a book maddeningly not still in print!!!! GRRRRRRR. Anyway, this book also has images of an early 19th century 2 piece bra-like thingie that criss crosses over the breasts and is lightly boned. --part1_dc.19943cf6.2a5af5a8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/2002 11:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu writes:



Direct link to the image:
http://www.staylace.com/gallery/gallery07/graphics/1819.jpg



These are images from "The Revolution in Fashion"....a book maddeningly not still in print!!!! GRRRRRRR. Anyway, this book also has images of an early 19th century 2 piece bra-like thingie that criss crosses over the breasts and is lightly boned. --part1_dc.19943cf6.2a5af5a8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 10:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32186 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:47:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68EV5C17828; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68EV0D15906; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68EUGD15693 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:30:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.101]) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 19844584 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:30:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Nettle allergy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:30:16 -0400 Status: RO We had nettles around in Minnesota while I was growing up. The leaves (and stems?) had little hair-like spikes on them that broke off in the skin- sort of like glass fibers, or some cacti. You could reduce the discomfort by putting tape on your skin where you were stung, then pulling it off- most of the fibers stuck to the tape and were removed from the skin. -Amanda former Midwestern girl :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32271 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:01:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Ei4C18819; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Ei1D21385; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40208.mail.yahoo.com (web40208.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g68EheD21244 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020708144335.37431.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.189.83.254] by web40208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:43:35 PDT From: Tasha Kelly To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207081008.g68A84D13840@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Re: 14th Century French lady Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Greetings, Hello list, I'm new here... If you make your chemise very close-fitting and laceable (up the front), you can easily and comfortably acquire the profile of a Gothic lady in a tight-fitting dress (see Robin Netherton's extensive notes on this subject) -- all while achieving good bosum support. I also have finally found the correct shaping of the pattern on myself so that the sleeves do not have to be tight. Yes, you can make sleeveless chemises with thin shoulder straps, but the biggest downside to that might be a lack of underarm protection. Do we really want our nice kirtles and cotes coming in direct contact with our fragrant underarms? The support on a sleeved chemise is done entirely with a very tight fit immediately under the bosum, a bit of shaping of the panels covering the bosum, and the shoulder seams holding the whole thing up. When laced, the chemise does an excellent job of holding my not-small bosum in place and it stays there all day long with no discomfort. All that is to say you do not need breast binding. As for underwear, even though we are still debating that issue for women, you could attempt authenticity by mimicking the male version of underwear for that time period. Let's face it -- chafing is a real issue -- as real as the desire for bosum support when one's bosum is large. It does not make sense to me that women walked around constantly with sore inner thighs. Unfortunately, I can't give you detailed documentation for female undies at this time (no research done yet... anyone else?), but there are some attempts by costume historians to explain and replicate male undies. Perhaps begin with those. Marcele de Montsegur __________________________ From: Rose Amberwulf Subject: [h-cost] 14th Century French lady I'm slowly working on my SCA 14th century French lady costumes. It dawn on me that I know I have to have the chemise, but was there any other underclothing - breast binding, underwear, so on. I hope someone can at least point me the right direction so I can be as complete as possible in my research. Thank you. Roscelin de Limoges Rose Amberwulf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:13:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32307 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:12:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68EuBC19774; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:56:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Eu4D26538; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68EtgD26384 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:55:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYX00HZ8QSRKV@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020708074910.00ce4e60@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 07:52:42 -0700 Status: RO >However, I question the idea that > > someone who spent her whole life in corsets would suddenly feel comfortable > > going without that kind of structure. This all leads me to think that most > > women must have, for at least some time, worn 18th century-shaped corsets > > under their early Directoire gowns -- especially as French fashions > filtered > > out to other countries. > >I suspect you're probably right -- older women, at least, might have been >more likely to stick with styles of undergarments that they were used to >in their youth. There are prints from this period which show women in the older more rigid style and women in the newer softer style, both in the same picture. And my own grandmother (the one born in 1880) always wore a long corset-thing, even into the 1970s. >Interestingly, there's a paper on "The Unfashionable Use of Stays" that >talks about how older country women in Britain were wearing stays with >wooden busks into the beginning of the 20th century, I think -- again, >women sticking with styles they wore in their youth, even though the outer >clothing styles may have changed somewhat. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32314 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68F02C20138; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68F01D28227; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68ExqD28141 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJUW7ZLNXS00B9UH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:59:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-rf-s1.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.198.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJUW7PYOBE00M0PW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:59:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-RF-S1/SpoolDir by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) ; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:55:49 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-RF-S1 (Mercury 1.44); Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:55:37 +1100 Received: from rf-lib-08107 (158.94.198.234) by mdx-rf-s1.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:55:30 +1100 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) In-reply-to: <200207081445.g68EjBD21864@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:55:29 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > I grew up on the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a > > few minutes walk of open downland. > > You know what's really weird? I grew up on a different outer edge of > the same small town Strange that we didn't meet until a few years ago when we were both living in different towns. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32376 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FD6C21672; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:13:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FD1D05865; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moutvdomng0.schlund.de (moutvdomng0.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FCMD05458 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [195.20.224.206] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng0.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17RaBQ-0001v7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:12:12 +0200 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17RaBO-0001RW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:12:11 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020708160817.02927e88@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:10:09 +0100 Status: RO At 08:12 AM 7/8/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ah... that's an illustration from 'Revolution in Fashion', a nearly >unobtainable book. Very much like the corset in Waugh; I wish one could >see the front... If you go to http://www.faintingcouch.com/2542.html they have a 1790's corset for sale with some very good photographs. At $3500 I can't see many people being able to afford it tho'. Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32395 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FH1C22151; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68F72D02516; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68F6CD02004 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:06:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020708150606.ZYXO24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:06:06 +0000 Message-ID: <005a01c22690$fb1db750$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> <4.3.1.2.20020708074910.00ce4e60@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:06:04 -0700 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets > There are prints from this period which show women in the older more rigid > style and women in the newer softer style, both in the same picture. And > my own grandmother (the one born in 1880) always wore a long corset-thing, > even into the 1970s. ooo, that sounds interesting! Any ideas where I might find these prints? - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32410 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FL5C22735; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FL1D10182; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moutvdomng0.schlund.de (moutvdomng0.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FKUD09904 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [195.20.224.206] (helo=mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng0.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17RaJR-00032o-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:20:29 +0200 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdomng0.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17RaJP-0002bU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:20:29 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020708161723.029805b8@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:18:26 +0100 Status: RO At 08:12 AM 7/8/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ah... that's an illustration from 'Revolution in Fashion', a nearly >unobtainable book. Very much like the corset in Waugh; I wish one could >see the front... If you go to http://www.faintingcouch.com/2542.html they have a 1790's corset for sale with some very good photographs. At $3500 I can't see many people being able to afford it tho'. Ignore the above, it's 1720-40 not 1790's, sorry put it down to a senior moment! Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:39:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32414 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FLNC22781; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FLFD10345; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FKwD10149 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14392 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:45:09 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 14th Century French lady In-Reply-To: <20020708144335.37431.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:45:09 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Tasha Kelly wrote: > Hello list, I'm new here... Hi, Tasha! Nice to have you aboard. > If you make your chemise very close-fitting and laceable (up the > front), you can easily and comfortably acquire the profile of a Gothic > lady in a tight-fitting dress (see Robin Netherton's extensive notes > on this subject) Just to clarify: The method I teach is for fitting the dress itself, not a chemise. I recommend a chemise that is not very full but is not fitted either. I have seen no indication of a fitted chemise or a chemise that laces up the front in this period, and I've looked at quite a few images of chemises. Also, I've found that lining the dress helps substantially with the fitting and support, and I can't see lining a chemise. But you're not the first person I've heard applying my methods to fit a chemise. If that works for you and for your desired level of authenticity, great! I just want to make sure people know that using a fitted chemise as a support layer is not an approach I would suggest as historically accurate for 14th-century France. > Yes, you can make sleeveless chemises with thin shoulder straps, but > the biggest downside to that might be a lack of underarm protection. > Do we really want our nice kirtles and cotes coming in direct contact > with our fragrant underarms? With this I agree wholeheartedly. Most illustrations I've seen of chemises (mostly in French and Flemish art) indicate the presence of sleeves. The only sleeveless sources I've seen are the supposed 14th-c. German chemise in Kohler (provenance uncertain and now apparently lost) and some images in the Wenceslaus Bible (Bohemia). That suggests to me the possibility that sleeveless chemises, if worn, were specific to that part of the Continent. (We recently had an extensive discussion on the list about this that should be available in the archives.) Personally, I've found the dress to be more comfortable on the arms with a layer of chemise as cushioning. Think of it as a sock under a shoe -- it minimizes chafing. If you wear a dress with a tight sleeve directly over your arm, it rubs against your skin when you move. If you have a chemise layer, the rubbing occurs between the dress fabric and the chemise, while the chemise itself stays put against your skin. I make my chemise sleeves rather narrow, use a fairly thin linen (not cotton!), and fit the sleeves over the chemise with my arm bent midway between straight and fully flexed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32426 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FM3C22914; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FM1D10787; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FLjD10643 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g68FNAkl012176 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:23:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1790's corsets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020708074910.00ce4e60@mail.frys.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:22:55 -0300 Status: RO And my own grandmother (the one born in 1880) always wore a long corset-thing, Mine, too. My grandmother was born in 1882. When I was a child I remember asking her why she put on her corset (one of those long pink things with garters) first thing in the morning and took it off just to sleep. She said she'd always worn one and her back hurt without it. She also wore high-heeled bedroom slippers because flat shoes hurt her feet. She was funny and cuddly and wonderful, but her body was rather formal! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:42:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32434 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:42:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FP3C23393; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:25:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FP1D12580; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FO7D12063 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpcXRUSVX1/j8z1J/S+8TjUqqiZv3sbGPQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G6736QF6; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:23:46 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 5958 Message-ID: <20020708.102329.-423011.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-24 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:23:29 -0500 Status: RO Hi Teddy! I took another look at the pattern and I'd say that it's a decent beginning point but it needs a fair amount of tweaking to make it truly correct to period. I'd take a look at a good picture book like "Historic Costume in Detail" to see exactly how you should alter the pattern. Karen On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Teddy writes: > Anyone used Simplicity pattern 5958? if so, can you let me know > what you think of it as a startign point for the frock-coat long > waistcoat combination? > > Ta muchly > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 11:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32439 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:43:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FQ9C23562; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FQ5D13259; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FPQD12815 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:25:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g68FPMp94289; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:25:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207081525.g68FPMp94289@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:25:22 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > > > I grew up on the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a > > > few minutes walk of open downland. > > > > You know what's really weird? I grew up on a different outer edge of > > the same small town > > Strange that we didn't meet until a few years ago when we were > both living in different towns. Maybe it's not that small a town? Pop 169,000, a web-search tells me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32638 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:04:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68FkCC25867; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FfED21994; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FeKD21319 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip180.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.180]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g68FeEj14186 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Message-ID: <3D295220.17717.8D04A92@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3D290E81.92CCA76D@in-tch.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:49:36 -0700 Status: RO > But nettles don't grow in the States, at least nowhere I know of, so > we aren't aware of their uses. And we don't learn to identify (and > avoid) them. So I didn't recognize them, or even consider the > possibility of their presence, as I tramped through a churchyard in > the Cotswalds one summer day in 1985 or so, reading medieval grave > markers. Moments after I swept a cluster of weeds away from a > tombstone, my hand and arm started to burn and swell horribly. So I > did what any American would do upon encountering poison ivy -- located > a spigot and plunged my arm under running water. Yow, that's an extreme form of nettle problem. Green soap is the usual cure, same as poison ivy/oak. (I've never found plain water to be much use with that either.) Actually nettles (both real stinging nettles and the dead nettles with the white flowers) are quite common in the Pacific Northwest where I grew up. You learn early what they are and how to avoid them and what to do if you do get into them, just like with poison ivy/oak. The only good thing is that dead ones do not do nearly the same damage as dead poison ivy/oak. The "stingers" go away pretty quickly. Then > he warned me that I should be very careful NOT to get it wet -- it > would increase the pain. (Too late.) Interesting. Never had that much problem with it later. It was always the immediate problem (which after the first encounter, you tend not to have again.) > I still have trouble with the idea that the English *eat* nettles. So do Americans when they can get them young and tender. They make a great soup too. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32656 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:06:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Fl8C25989; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:47:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Fl2D25331; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f100.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.100]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68FfiD22301 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:41:29 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:41:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Flax was Re: [h-cost] Nettles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 15:41:29.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED72C6E0:01C22695] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:41:29 +0000 Status: RO >And one last bit of memory that's filtering to the surface (source unknown) >is that nettle stems were soaked (in water? something elselike an acidic >agent?), beaten, soaked again, and then prepared much like flax. Now you made me think of an old question that's been resurfacing in my head but that I never did anything with before... How WAS flax prepared? Any good website? How was it spun into thread? Or was it used as is to make very thin fabric? Does it grow around here? (here being Montreal, Canada) I would think so since we have a re-creation of a village not far from here that tells us they used to use it about a hundred years ago. And, one last question: if I wanted to grow it, does someone have a good source for SMALL quantities of seeds? Thanks :-) Alix _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:25:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00327 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:24:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68G73C28265; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68G71D06893; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68G6ZD06591 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14643 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:30:45 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? In-Reply-To: <3D295220.17717.8D04A92@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:30:45 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > Then > > he warned me that I should be very careful NOT to get it wet -- it > > would increase the pain. (Too late.) > > Interesting. Never had that much problem with it later. It was > always the immediate problem (which after the first encounter, you > tend not to have again.) I wasn't clear. He meant that during the two-hour-or-so span it would take for the reaction to clear, that using water would just make it hurt more. And I had already flushed it with water within just a few minutes of the reaction beginning, and it didn't help at all. I have no idea if it would have hurt less if I hadn't tried to wash it off, but it was pretty damn painful! Based on the different descriptions I've seen from various people on this list, located in various regions, I wonder if there are several varieties of stinging nettles, with varying degrees of effect. At least I was hit by Genuine English stinging nettles, in a Genuine Medieval Churchyard. ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:25:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00328 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68G7dC28352; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68G40D05118; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g68G3qD05034 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23502 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2002 16:03:51 -0000 Received: from turbo.sonic.net (208.201.224.26) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2002 16:03:51 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-100-116.sonic.net [209.148.100.116]) by turbo.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g68G3o322642 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:03:50 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3D29B8F1.A011F101@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Modern commercial nettle cloth? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:08:17 -0700 Status: RO According to the following article, the textile industry is experimenting with nettle cloth as a modern commerical product. http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/htmlCache/2002-07-02T145618Z_01_N02163426_RTRIDST_0_SCIENCE-LIFE-BRITAIN-NETTLES-DC.html Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:48:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00417 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:48:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68GV2C01079; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GV1K19392; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:31:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GUmK19252 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:30:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCpcXRUSVX1/jIi3ZeIzhHunNN7ChloRU2w=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G677XLEV; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:29:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Flax was Re: [h-cost] Nettles Message-ID: <20020708.113016.-423011.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,51-57,59-92 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:30:16 -0500 Status: RO Oh! Oh! I know this one!!!!! When I was a senior Girl Scout, we did pioneer crafts at a local log cabin. One of the crafts we did was processing and spinning flax. Flax is an annual. It generally grows in temperate climates, some of the best linen comes from Ireland and Holland- or at least used to. At the end of it's life cycle, the flax would be pulled up by the roots to maintain as long a fiber as possible and then 'retted' which entailed allowing the stalks to lie in shallow, moving water until the outer stem rotted off. I'm not sure how long this would take, but while it was going on apparently the water was not suitable for drinking or other human consumption. The end product is something that looks like a robust straw or very fine stick about 2-3 feet long. These are then broken on a flax break. It's a simple device but I'm not sure if I can describe it effectively- it it about waist high, made of wood, and hinged at one end so that the center section can be raised up by a handle- think of a really big triple bladed kinife (dull blades), hinged at one end so that the blades fall between slots in the base. Completely confused? Good. You place the flax on the break and proceed to smash it over and over, breaking off the brittle outer layer but not damaging the flexible inner fibers. After you are done breaking the flax, you 'scutch' the flax which helps to remove the stem bits which are still clinging onto the flax. The scutching knife looks like a broad bladed sword made of wood- once again it is dull so as not to cut the fibers. The flax is held up and struck with the scutching knife in a glancing manner until no more bits of stem come off. Then the flax is run thru a series of hackles to further clean and smooth it out. At this point it looks very much like pale blonde hair. A hackle is a series of closely spaced pointy bits (ours were made of long thick nails) sticking up thru a board. You comb the flax thru, just like hair, until it pulls thru smoothly. The left over bits of short fibers and tangles are known as tow. Depending on how fine you want the end product to be, you put the flax thru finer and finer hackles. To spin the flax you first dress it onto a distaff so that all the fibers are running in the same direction. It ends up looking like a gentle spiral, tied at the top tightly and at the bottom loosely which gives the whole thing a bit of a pear shape. The distaff is either held under the arm for drop spinning, or set into a hole in the spinning wheel for wheel spinning. A cup of water (or lots of spit!) is used to wet the fibers as they are spun as the vegetable fibers don't have any natural moisture. Spinning flax can be hard on your hands as the fibers are tough and dry, and the water doesn't help your hands at all! We used to go back and forth spinning flax and wool as the lanolin in the wool would sooth the soreness of our fingers. Once the linen thread was spun (once it is processed, flax changes name to linen), it can be woven just like any fiber. The linen doesn't have the natural elasticity that wool does so you may need to warp the loom a bit more carefully to allow for some length to be taken up by the weaving. As you can see, it's a fairly labor intensive process. If you are looking for flax seeds, be careful that you don't get the ornamental flax that is commonly sold as a garden plant. I believe that it is related to textile flax, but doesn't have the long inner fibers. Karen On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:41:29 +0000 "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" writes: > >And one last bit of memory that's filtering to the surface (source > unknown) > >is that nettle stems were soaked (in water? something elselike an > acidic > >agent?), beaten, soaked again, and then prepared much like flax. > > Now you made me think of an old question that's been resurfacing in > my head > but that I never did anything with before... > > How WAS flax prepared? Any good website? How was it spun into > thread? Or was > it used as is to make very thin fabric? Does it grow around here? > (here > being Montreal, Canada) I would think so since we have a re-creation > of a > village not far from here that tells us they used to use it about a > hundred > years ago. And, one last question: if I wanted to grow it, does > someone have > a good source for SMALL quantities of seeds? > > Thanks :-) > Alix > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: > http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00444 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:53:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Ga5C01699; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Ga1K22444; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from monsoon.pacifier.com (IDENT:root@mailroute2.pacifier.com [216.65.128.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GZHK21985 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by monsoon.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g68GLdW26242 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip180.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.180]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g68GLVP13376 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? Message-ID: <3D295BD0.14754.8F621B0@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3D295220.17717.8D04A92@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:30:56 -0700 Status: RO > At least I was hit by Genuine English stinging nettles, in a Genuine > Medieval Churchyard. ;-) > > --Robin Something I'm sure you'd just as soon *not* repeat. ;) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 12:54:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00450 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:54:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68GORC00316; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GONK15453; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GKkD13547 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17RbFS-0005jg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:20:26 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.78 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Subject: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoat, was Re: 1790's corsets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:20:26 -0400 Status: RO Ah, how's this for luck? I'm working on a friend's Regency ensemble and was just mulling over the corset issue yesterday. Since we're focusing on the 1810-1815 time frame, I was rationalizing the long, hip covering corset as a likely canidate, but my friend was more interested in the possibility of not needing to wear a corset (she hasn't succumbed to gravity yet, so she probably could avoid the need for serious support). But I ran across the La Mode Bagatalle's Regency Wardrobe pattern and was interested in the the "bodiced petticoat" as a possible compromise between no corset and some insurance against a saggy bodice. Judging from the pictures on the package, it appears that the bodiced petticoat is similar to what Lydia wore in A&E's "Pride & Prejudice" where she's running about the house in her undies and collides with Mr. Collins... Is this what the bodiced petticoat is? Is there any historical evidence for such a thing? I've heard rave reviews about LMB's pattern, although it's on the pricey side, but I'd like to know the history of this garment. Does anyone have any further info? Thank you! Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:12:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00590 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:12:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68GlUC03263; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GY0K21108; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GX1K20545 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYX00HLVVB0L6@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-reply-to: <005a01c22690$fb1db750$befc8218@WERNTO> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020708092744.00ceed50@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> <4.3.1.2.20020708074910.00ce4e60@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 09:27:57 -0700 Status: RO > > There are prints from this period which show women in the older more rigid > > style and women in the newer softer style, both in the same picture. And > > my own grandmother (the one born in 1880) always wore a long corset-thing, > > even into the 1970s. > >ooo, that sounds interesting! Any ideas where I might find these prints? costume books. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:13:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00594 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68GuBC04226; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:56:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Gk0K28485; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Gj0K27844 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14943 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:09:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? In-Reply-To: <3D295BD0.14754.8F621B0@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > At least I was hit by Genuine English stinging nettles, in a Genuine > > Medieval Churchyard. ;-) > > Something I'm sure you'd just as soon *not* repeat. ;) Only if I can be assured that there will be a really cute 30-something furnituremaker handy who will take me to his back garden and rub dockweed on it for me ;-) --Robin, willing to make personal sacrifices in the name of research _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:21:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00634 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68H46C05161; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68H40K08916; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68H3eK08737 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:03:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g68H54941193; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207081705.g68H54941193@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettle allergy You asked In-Reply-To: <03b701c22672$8cade8d0$6cc8010a@mail2world.com> "from freyalyn at Jul 8, 2002 04:28:14 am" To: h-costume@indra.com CC: shari l brooks X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO doesn' seem that strange -- according to the herbalist page here http://www.purplesage.org.uk/profiles/nettle.htm nettles are very useful to increase circulation, which I imagine would help carry away the things causing rashes or outbreaks. .heather.meadows. > I get eczema on my hands occasionally. If nettles are in season I go and > run my hands through the tops of the nettle patch - agony for about 20 > minutes, settle down to a slow burn, and after an hour or so the rash > has gone and it's taken the heat out of the eczema. It also works for > various allergic rashes I get to various things. > > Strange but true. > > It's also very effective for cold sores and chilblains, but I don't get > these. > > Freyalyn > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . > >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage > has the scoop on what matters most to you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00650 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68GlmC03306; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:47:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GIoD12596; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68GEGD10664 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OobhC4vUHYT9HwXbfM7ifj0="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G676YK9N; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:12:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) Message-ID: <20020708.091113.-150245.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-9 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:58:35 +0000 Status: RO If you collide with stinging nettle, use a cool compress of tea leaves or coffee. The tannic acid takes care of the problem. We have lots of stinging nettle up here--our edge of the Pacific NW is a rain forest. Arlys P.S. Hiya Rose! :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00673 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:31:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68HE4C06205; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:14:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HE0K14850; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HDYK14578 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g68HEsf41337 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207081714.g68HEsf41337@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: "from AlbertCat@aol.com at Jul 8, 2002 10:03:20 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I want that book to come back in print so badly. Maddening is right! .heather. > > These are images from "The Revolution in Fashion"....a book maddeningly not > still in print!!!! GRRRRRRR. Anyway, this book also has images of an early > 19th century 2 piece bra-like thingie that criss crosses over the breasts and > is lightly boned. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00677 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68HI1C06601; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HI0K17143; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HHtK17072 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYX00GE5XDUH1@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:17:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Flax was Re: [h-cost] Nettles In-reply-to: <20020708.113016.-423011.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020708101601.00c87b90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:16:32 -0700 Status: RO >Then the flax is run thru a series of hackles to further clean >and smooth it out. At this point it looks very much like pale blonde >hair. A hackle is a series of closely spaced pointy bits (ours were made >of long thick nails) sticking up thru a board. You comb the flax thru, >just like hair, until it pulls thru smoothly. The left over bits of short >fibers and tangles are known as tow. This is, of course, why blondes are called tow-headed. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 13:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00807 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68HZBC08290; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HZ6K27332; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HY1K26623 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g68HXxJU012113 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:33:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020708160817.02927e88@pop.oneandone.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I saw this on Ebay last week. She's asking WAY too much for it -- most similar stays go for around $250-$500. Also, I'd place it around the third quarter of the 18th century, whereas she thinks it dates from 1720-1740. Of course, stays are notoriously hard to date, but it really looks later than 1740 to me... Definitely great pics, though! Cheers, Mara On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, The Duchess wrote: > If you go to http://www.faintingcouch.com/2542.html they have a 1790's > corset for sale with some very good photographs. At $3500 I can't see many > people being able to afford it tho'. > > Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 14:00:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00918 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:00:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Hh2C09135; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Hh0K02267; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68HgSK01942 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:42:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g68HgRJU013595 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoat, was Re: 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Sarah, I've heard claims for a petticoat attached to a boned bodice, but haven't seen the documentation. That being said... There IS evidence for attaching petticoats to a bodice (unboned), as a way to keep a petticoat up at the proper level, either under a jacket (there's an ensemble like this in Bradfield), or perhaps to wear under a sheer gown, like a slip. I've heard good things about the La Mode Bagatelle pattern, so have fun! Cheers, Mara On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Ah, how's this for luck? I'm working on a friend's Regency ensemble > and was just mulling over the corset issue yesterday. Since we're > focusing on the 1810-1815 time frame, I was rationalizing the long, hip > covering corset as a likely canidate, but my friend was more interested > in the possibility of not needing to wear a corset (she hasn't > succumbed to gravity yet, so she probably could avoid the need for > serious support). But I ran across the La Mode Bagatalle's Regency > Wardrobe pattern and was interested in the the "bodiced petticoat" as a > possible compromise between no corset and some insurance against a > saggy bodice. Judging from the pictures on the package, it appears > that the bodiced petticoat is similar to what Lydia wore in > A&E's "Pride & Prejudice" where she's running about the house in her > undies and collides with Mr. Collins... Is this what the bodiced > petticoat is? Is there any historical evidence for such a thing? I've > heard rave reviews about LMB's pattern, although it's on the pricey > side, but I'd like to know the history of this garment. Does anyone > have any further info? Thank you! > > Sarah > http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 14:13:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00976 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:13:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Ht6C10507; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:55:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Hm0K05344; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Hl5K04840 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g68Hl3JU014333 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:47:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Another Regency question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Take a look at this picture: http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/images/i-gillray/gill4.jpeg The woman getting dressed appears to be wearing a VERY short shift -- all one can see under her stays are the sleeves, and also her drawers. A while back I saw a short Regency-period shift for sale on one of the sites that sells antique clothing; the speculation was that it had been shortened so that the fabric could be reused. However -- I think the bottom hem was finished. Which makes me wonder if someone had been wearing this shortened shift in the way the woman in the picture is wearing it. That would certainly decrease the bulk of petticoats worn. Thoughts? -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 15:51:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01455 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:51:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68JY7C20112; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68JY0K04186; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68JXfK03999 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.9d.2a7ee8a0 (4224) for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Kitsune242@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.2a7ee8a0.2a5b4300@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9d.2a7ee8a0.2a5b4300_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:33:20 EDT Status: RO --part1_9d.2a7ee8a0.2a5b4300_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/02 3:18:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, athurman@cybergal.com writes: > Just wondering if anyone else on this list is attending. > I've never been and I'm going alone, just wondering if there are any folks > I should try and meet up with. > Allison > I will be there Allison. Kit --part1_9d.2a7ee8a0.2a5b4300_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/7/02 3:18:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, athurman@cybergal.com writes:


Just wondering if anyone else on this list is attending.
I've never been and I'm going alone, just wondering if there are any folks I should try and meet up with.
Allison


I will be there Allison.

Kit --part1_9d.2a7ee8a0.2a5b4300_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 16:08:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01525 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68Jp2C21703; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Jp1K14668; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Jo9K14219 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0664.gti.net [208.216.122.64]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 861603575F for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D29ECF0.C147830E@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3D291326.80CE2081@in-tch.com> <00b601c22638$0e47dd50$31baee0c@c59303b> <3D2917B0.9A28D37F@in-tch.com> <00c501c22639$0a07f440$31baee0c@c59303b> <3D299193.7B611D20@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Free to a good home.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:50:08 -0400 Status: RO Bummer. Oh well, guess I shoulda checked my e-mail earlier .. Thanks anyhoo! Deb Rand > Thanks to everyone volunteering to give my pattern a good home. It's > gone now! > --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 23:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03658 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:24:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6937vE04543; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:07:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g691cgK14505; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:38:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g691KMK09159 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709012017.NLFQ15755.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c226e6$c7ca1b40$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] nettlecloth (WAS linen weight?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:20:15 -0700 Status: RO For those who are interestd, I've scanned the images of the dress made of nettlecloth. Warning - these are large images! http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/1796_moden.jpg http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/1796_moden_back.jpg - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 23:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03667 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:25:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69398E05640; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g691MLK09738; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g691GsK08182 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709011649.NIHE15755.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:16:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c226e6$4bba4f70$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <003501c2260a$29d8fcd0$befc8218@WERNTO> <4.3.1.2.20020708074910.00ce4e60@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020708092744.00ceed50@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:16:47 -0700 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets > >ooo, that sounds interesting! Any ideas where I might find these prints? > > costume books. Wait, there are books about costume? BLINKBLINK ;) - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 23:27:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03685 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:27:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g693AsE07352; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:10:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g690dLK26570; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g690SAK23221 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m87.in-tch.com [216.166.191.87]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g690ETP00650 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:14:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2A2F6E.A8F7BDEF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen weight? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:33:50 -0600 Status: RO Hey! No fair! Leave the cute 30-something furnituremakers for those of us who are still single! --Sue, just your average josephine, who's more than willing to sacrifice for you famous-researcher types Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > > At least I was hit by Genuine English stinging nettles, in a Genuine > > > Medieval Churchyard. ;-) > > > > Something I'm sure you'd just as soon *not* repeat. ;) > > Only if I can be assured that there will be a really cute 30-something > furnituremaker handy who will take me to his back garden and rub dockweed > on it for me ;-) > > --Robin, willing to make personal sacrifices in the name of research _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 23:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03788 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g68LZ6C04499; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LZ1K19199; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail2.lanset.com (mail.lanset.com [208.187.165.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LYGK18625 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lanset.com (unverified [208.187.244.38]) by mail2.lanset.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.228) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2A0320.20304@lanset.com> From: Lou Demas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sort of costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 14:24:48 -0700 Status: RO CHOOSING A NEW BATHING SUIT Reportedly a true e-mail a woman wrote to her friend after shopping for a bathing suit. I have just been through the annual pilgrimage of torture and humiliation known as buying a bathing suit. When I was a child in the 1950's, the bathing suit for a woman with a mature figure was designed for a woman with a mature, figure - boned, trussed and reinforced, not so much sewn as engineered. They were built to hold back and uplift and they did a good job. Today's stretch fabrics are designed for the pre-pubescent girl with a figure carved from a potato chip. The mature woman has a choice - she can either front up at the maternity department and try on a floral suit with a skirt, coming away looking like a hippopotamus who escaped from Disney's Fantasia - or she can wander around every run-of-the-mill department store trying to make a sensible choice from what amounts to a designer range of fluorescent rubber bands. What choice did I have? I wandered around, made my sensible choice and entered the chamber of horrors known as the fitting room. The first thing I noticed was the extraordinary tensile strength of the stretch material. The Lycra used in bathing costumes was developed, I believe, by NASA to launch small rockets from a slingshot, which give the added bonus that if you manage to actually lever yourself into one, you are protected from shark attacks. The reason for this is that any shark taking a swipe at your passing midriff would immediately suffer whiplash. I fought my way into the bathing suit, but as I twanged the shoulder strap in place, I gasped in horror - my bosom had disappeared!! Eventually, I found one bosom cowering under my left armpit. It took a while to find the other. At last I located it flattened beside my seventh rib. The problem is that modern bathing suits have no bra cups. The mature woman is meant to wear her bosom spread across her chest like a speed hump. I re-aligned my speed hump and lurched toward the mirror to take a full view assessment. The bathing suit fit all right, but unfortunately, it only fit those bits of me willing to stay inside it. The rest of me oozed out rebelliously from top, bottom, and sides. I looked like a lump of play dough wearing undersized cling wrap. As I tried to work out where all those extra bits had come from, the pre-pubescent sales girl popped head through the curtains, "Oh There you are!" she said, admiring the bathing suit...I replied that I wasn't so sure and asked what else she had to show me. I tried on a cream crinkled one that made me look like a lump of masking tape, and a floral two piece which gave the appearance of an oversized napkin in a serviette ring. I struggled into a pair of leopard skin bathers with ragged frill and came out looking like Tarzan's Jane pregnant with triplets and having a rough day. I tried on a black number with a midriff with such a high cut leg I thought I would have to wax my eyebrows to wear them. Finally, I found a suit that fit...a two piece affair with shorts style bottom and a loose blouse-type top. It was cheap, comfortable, and bulge friendly, so I bought it. When I got home, I read the label which said "Material may become transparent in water. " I'm determined to wear it anyway...I'll just have to stay out of the water! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 23:48:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03813 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:48:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g690qrC23597; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68NUfK03818; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68NQdK02310 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:26:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g68NQbI26851 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:26:38 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish translation? In-Reply-To: <3D24E979.5000508@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 01:26:37 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO > > Is there anyone on the list who reads Danish and would be willing to > > translate some brief pattern notations for me? Kendra, I can give it a shot if you haven't had better offers yet. I'm not sure how much the terms differ between Danish and Norwegian, which is what I know, but there's no harm in finding out. :) > and even sent me the Swedish and Finnish ones also (wish I > had a Norwegian one, dunno if there is one). Judy - I don't know either, if you find one please post! Failing that, feel free to ask if there's anyting specific you're wondering about, and I'll translate as far as my vocabulary allows. :) Ingrid -- I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 8 23:50:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03836 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:50:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g691CEC26522; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68Mg1K12161; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68MfjK12023 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-38lc24f.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.8.143]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17RhCQ-0003EF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:41:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020708.113016.-423011.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> References: <20020708.113016.-423011.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Flax Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:57:29 -0700 Status: RO At 11:30 AM -0500 7/8/02, seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > > At the end of >it's life cycle, the flax would be pulled up by the roots to maintain as >long a fiber as possible and then 'retted' which entailed allowing the >stalks to lie in shallow, moving water until the outer stem rotted off. >I'm not sure how long this would take, but while it was going on >apparently the water was not suitable for drinking or other human >consumption. Assuming anyone would _want_ to -- I'm told it smells quite vile. -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 00:03:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03921 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:03:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g693lLE11551; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g693lJK22339; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g693UMK17705 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:30:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g693Vjv45439 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207090331.g693Vjv45439@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] nettlecloth (WAS linen weight?) In-Reply-To: <003d01c226e6$c7ca1b40$befc8218@WERNTO> "from Kendra Van Cleave at Jul 8, 2002 06:20:15 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I love that back detailing - that is just so gorgeous! > For those who are interestd, I've scanned the images of the dress made of > nettlecloth. Warning - these are large images! > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/1796_moden.jpg > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/1796_moden_back.jpg > > - Kendra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 00:20:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04005 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6943xE12487; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6943xK27098; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g693fiK20872 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c59303b ([12.238.186.49]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709034138.QQGD29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@c59303b> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:41:38 +0000 Message-ID: <022401c226fa$05286c90$31baee0c@c59303b> From: "chiara" To: References: <3D2A0320.20304@lanset.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sort of costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "chiara" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:37:54 -0500 Status: RO Well, ya know what my solution would be? SURGERY!!!!! :) Ches ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Demas" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] Sort of costume > CHOOSING A NEW BATHING SUIT Reportedly a true e-mail a woman wrote to > her friend after shopping for a bathing suit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 00:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04287 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g694ZwE14070; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:35:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g694ZvK05886; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6949hK28696 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g694B7S45672 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207090411.g694B7S45672@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sort of costume In-Reply-To: <022401c226fa$05286c90$31baee0c@c59303b> "from chiara at Jul 8, 2002 10:37:54 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO i'm all for esther williams suits. or body paint. > Well, ya know what my solution would be? SURGERY!!!!! :) > > Ches > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lou Demas" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:24 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Sort of costume > > > > CHOOSING A NEW BATHING SUIT Reportedly a true e-mail a woman wrote to > > her friend after shopping for a bathing suit. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 02:01:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04938 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g695j4E17073; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g695j4K24034; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g695c3K21980 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 23:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020709053757.NPNZ6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:37:57 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c2270a$c6bdf810$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Danish translation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:37:55 -0700 Status: RO Ingrid, Thanks so much for volunteering to translate my pattern! Bjarne, he of amazing costume and embroidery skills, now has proved he has fabulous translation skills as well! I am set to go thanks to his services. Thanks! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 04:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14385 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69882E21923; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69880K25388; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6987oK25334 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 2.9.2aa28f09 (1322); Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1@aol.com> To: classes@amoeba.cugc.org, figment@sgi.net, h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:07:29 EDT Status: RO --part1_9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies to those who receive this posting twice. Looking through Italian Renaissance Interiors I came across a picture of a Birth (may be the Virgin; may be John the Baptist: book says Virgin; website says Baptist) by Giusto de' Menabuoi in the Cathedral Baptistry in Padua (1376-78). I got very excited...there is a woman wearing a sleeveless chemise that is belted under the breasts. I would normally assume that she is the wetnurse, but she's wearing a balzo, although that may indicate that the painter assumed that the Baptist (or Virgin) would have a noble wetnurse. There is also a servant standing in the back wearing a shortsleeved chemise with a sleeveless gown similar to a gonnella over top of it. I would love to have feedback and comments on this picture. Nancy Stengel Ulmer (Maddalena Salutati) Sleeveless Chemise --part1_9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies to those who receive this posting twice. 

Looking through Italian Renaissance Interiors I came across a picture of a Birth (may be the Virgin; may be John the Baptist: book says Virgin; website says Baptist) by Giusto de' Menabuoi in the Cathedral Baptistry in Padua (1376-78).  I got very excited...there is a woman wearing a sleeveless chemise that is belted under the breasts.  I would normally assume that she is the wetnurse, but she's wearing a balzo, although that may indicate that the painter assumed that the Baptist (or Virgin) would have a noble wetnurse.

There is also a servant standing in the back wearing a shortsleeved chemise with a sleeveless gown similar to a gonnella over top of it.

I would love to have feedback and comments on this picture.

Nancy Stengel Ulmer
(Maddalena Salutati)


Sleeveless Chemise --part1_9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 04:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14418 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g698VfE22507; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g698VeK00355; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g698RDK29452 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJVWSU351S00OVMR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:27:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJVWST1TZQ00TTGP@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:27:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:23:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:23:13 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:23:03 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-reply-to: <200207081632.g68GW4K19977@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <11910DA0C74@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:23:03 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > If you go to http://www.faintingcouch.com/2542.html they have a 1790's > corset for sale with some very good photographs. At $3500 I can't see > many people being able to afford it tho'. Hi Lissa, It's interesting to read the bit that says; "lined with what appears to be its original non manufactured cloth." The close-ups of that cloth look *exactly* like the teatowels we have at home for drying the dishes... I wonder if that's what they mean by "non manufactured"... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 05:40:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14535 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:40:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g699O2E23961; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g699O0K09172; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g699NhK09124 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 03:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020709092338.GWHO8262.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:23:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3D2AAB99.5070100@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie: "Druids" References: <200207072303.g67N3bOW018436@grape.dcsi.net.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060805050307030401050005" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:23:37 -0700 Status: RO --------------060805050307030401050005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Has anyone else try this website? I wasn't able to get anywhere with it. I am quite eager to take a look at the beads. Roscelin Frojel Gotlandica wrote: > > Hi Folks > OK the bead CD is now up on Professor Carlssons site. > For those interested have a look at :- > http://www16.aname.net/~arkeodok/ > First in a series from Gotland University's Archaeology Department. > One nice difference is that they should be in colour as opposed to > different gray textures as in many of the archaeology books. > Gotland is where over 80% of the Viking age finds in Sweden come > from. It was a major trading centre in the Baltic up until the > Battle of Visby. > Cheers > Sandy > Fröjel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society. > http://www.frojel.com/ > frojel@frojel.com --------------060805050307030401050005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone else try this website?  I wasn't able to get anywhere with it.  I am quite eager to take a look at the beads.

Roscelin

Frojel Gotlandica wrote:

 Hi Folks
OK the bead CD is now up on Professor Carlssons site.
For those interested have a look at :-
http://www16.aname.net/~arkeodok/
First in a series from Gotland University's Archaeology Department.
One nice difference is that they should be in colour as opposed to
different gray textures as in many of the archaeology books.
Gotland is where over 80% of the Viking age finds in Sweden come
from. It was a major trading centre in the Baltic up until the
Battle of Visby.
Cheers
Sandy
Fröjel Gotlandica Viking Re-enactment Society.
http://www.frojel.com/
frojel@frojel.com

--------------060805050307030401050005-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 06:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14662 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:19:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69A31E25032; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69A30K17017; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g69A2UK16936 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020709100230.63557.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:02:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:02:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Hi All, I finally got some photos of the Officer's uniform coat and breeches and waistcoat I have been working on so madly in the past weeks for ben. Unfortunately he had his coat closed and you can't see the beautiful red silk and gold brocade waistcoat. *laughs* I will take more photos though soon. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Hounslow/ My mantua and fontange was made by Ninya Mikhaila, costumier to Hampton Court amongst other places. Mine and Ben's wigs were made by Derek Easton (again, like the 1660s one) our shoes by Sarah Juniper (all our shoes are). All my lace is 19th century lace, some handmade venetian gros needlepoint (lace stomacher, tucker and wrist frills), which I got from Marla Mallett, textile collector; the lappets of the fontange are 19th c. chemical lace lappets from a cape, the dark red silk ribbon is Victorian too. The belt buckle is a genuine one from 1700, a mopped back to shine meal detector find. All of these last items are from eBay. The linen and silk cream brocade of the petticoat is an actual period pattern taht was woven as 'wallpaper' for a stately period home here in England and I got the narrow remnants, 10 meters of it. The black silk and silver metal brocade of the actual mantua is from Russia, and the gold real metal braid edging is from Germany. All the other silks and silk brocades are from merchants in the UK. Ben's coat is made from scarlet superfine cloth from Hainsworth, which is the actual same that is used by the Ministry of Defense for dress and parade uniforms. A beautiful beautiful cloth, but a pain to sew, it is so tightly woven. The silver lace is the B&S pattern for state livery, it's mylar not 90% silver because te latter was impossible to get, and I got it from Hand's, the oldest established (and still going) goldlacemen in London, supliers to the Ministry of defense and the Royal household too. The coat is lined with scarlet taffeta silk. The early tricorne hat (rolled up, wired and NOT folded) with silver lacing was made by Jane Smith, hatmaker in London, who usually works for the big theatre companies like the National Theatre. The brocade of Ben's waistcoat is from Russia too, and is linen lined. There you are, a big long explanation of what you see on the pix :-) Hope you enjoy, something completely else for once! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:15:28 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > >ooo, that sounds interesting! Any ideas where I might find these > > >prints? > > > > costume books. > > Wait, there are books about costume? > > BLINKBLINK Nice idea, but there wouldn't be enough interest in them to make it worth doing a print run - any publisher will tell you *that*!..... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 06:59:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA14751 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:59:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Ah1E26221; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Ah0K25048; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69AgpK25014 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 04:42:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [195.20.224.214] (helo=mrvdomng2.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 17RsSI-0000fn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:42:50 +0200 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdomng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17RsSI-0007tt-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:42:50 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020709113251.00aafe58@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <11910DA0C74@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200207081632.g68GW4K19977@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:34:39 +0100 Status: RO At 09:23 AM 7/9/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > If you go to http://www.faintingcouch.com/2542.html >It's interesting to read the bit that says; > >"lined with what appears to be its original non manufactured >cloth." > >The close-ups of that cloth look *exactly* like the teatowels we >have at home for drying the dishes... I wonder if that's what they >mean by "non manufactured"... I see what you mean! When I looked at it I wondered but my knowledge of period materials is sketchy at best so I couldn't say if it was OK or not. Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 08:12:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14997 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:12:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Bu5E28281; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Bu1K10395; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69BthK10322 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:55:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g69BtgJU021358 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] nettlecloth (WAS linen weight?) In-Reply-To: <003d01c226e6$c7ca1b40$befc8218@WERNTO> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oooh... Thank you, Kendra! It's lovely.... -- Mara On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Kendra Van Cleave wrote: > For those who are interestd, I've scanned the images of the dress made of > nettlecloth. Warning - these are large images! > > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/1796_moden.jpg > http://demode.tweedlebop.com/images/1796_moden_back.jpg > > - Kendra > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 08:21:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15046 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:21:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69C52E28634; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69C51K12453; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69C0CK11288 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g69C0BJU021829 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sort of costume In-Reply-To: <200207090411.g694B7S45672@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What are Esther Williams suits? Cut-off Levis and a tank top work pretty well ;D On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > i'm all for esther williams suits. > > or body paint. > > > > Well, ya know what my solution would be? SURGERY!!!!! :) > > > > Ches > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lou Demas" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:24 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] Sort of costume > > > > > > > CHOOSING A NEW BATHING SUIT Reportedly a true e-mail a woman wrote to > > > her friend after shopping for a bathing suit. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 08:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15071 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69CC7E28988; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CC7K14192; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:12:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69C3oK12146 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g69C3lJU022295 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <11910DA0C74@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 08:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15075 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69CDME29040; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69CDMK14519; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:13:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69C55K12483 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g69C53JU022373 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets In-Reply-To: <11910DA0C74@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO (pouts) I wish we could get such wonderful tea towels here in the States! Seriously, I've been keeping an eye out for good checked linen cloth, and while some good 18th c. checks can be found, they're not very common. How unfair that you're using them to wipe dishes! -- Mara On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Teddy wrote: > Hi Lissa, > > It's interesting to read the bit that says; > > "lined with what appears to be its original non manufactured > cloth." > > The close-ups of that cloth look *exactly* like the teatowels we > have at home for drying the dishes... I wonder if that's what they > mean by "non manufactured"... > > > Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15322 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:23:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69D72E01394; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69D71K28984; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69D6GK28766 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m72.in-tch.com [216.166.191.72]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g69CqaP18140 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2AE11C.A665885A@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettles (WAS:linen weight?) References: <200207081525.g68FPMp94289@bart.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:11:56 -0600 Status: RO Holy crap! That's hardly small! I think the largest city in my whole state is only a little over 100,000. --sue jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > Teddy wrote : > > > > > I grew up on the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a > > > > few minutes walk of open downland. > > > > > > You know what's really weird? I grew up on a different outer edge of > > > the same small town > > > > Strange that we didn't meet until a few years ago when we were > > both living in different towns. > > Maybe it's not that small a town? Pop 169,000, a web-search tells me. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:31:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15388 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:31:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69DF1E01859; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DF1K01389; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DEGK01208 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69DEBH05976; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:14:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207091314.g69DEBH05976@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] small towns ( was Nettles (WAS:linen weight?)) From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:14:11 BST Status: RO > jane@williams.nildram.co.uk > wrote: > > > > Teddy teddy1@mdx.ac.uk> > wrote : > > > > > > > I grew up on the outer edge of a fairly small town, within a > > > > > few minutes walk of open downland. > > > > > > > > You know what's really weird? I grew up on a different outer edge of > > > > the same small town > > > > > > Strange that we didn't meet until a few years ago when we were > > > both living in different towns. > > > > Maybe it's not that small a town? Pop 169,000, a web-search tells me. Sue Clemenger wrote : > Holy crap! That's hardly small! I think the largest city in my whole > state is only a little over 100,000. > --sue I suppose we tend to compare it with London, just down the road. Population of around 7 million or so. Luton certainly isn't a city, although as towns go it's quite big. Or maybe the UK just tends to do things bigger than the USA...? no, maybe not! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15416 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69DI1E02017; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DI0K02252; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DHPK02084 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69DHLC06024; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:17:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200207091317.g69DHLC06024@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:17:21 BST Status: RO Next week I'm off for a tour of southern Germany and Austria: route as yet unplanned. Anyone got any suggestions as to museums and so on that I really shouldn't miss? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15492 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:37:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69DLFE02241; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DLEK03444; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g69DKsK03284 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:20:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020709132053.77766.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:20:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207091317.g69DHLC06024@bart.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:20:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > Next week I'm off for a tour of southern Germany and Austria: route as yet > unplanned. Anyone got any suggestions as to museums and so on that I really > shouldn't miss? It depends in what you are interested. Vienna is an absolute must of course, so many museums. Are you going along the Rhine? The castles are stunning, lovely smalish town museums. A lot on Roman and a fantastic museum on the Franks in Krefeld Gellep. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:37:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15497 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:37:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69DLAE02225; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DLAK03406; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DKYK03160 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:20:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.ab.1ea063ff (657) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:20:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:20:24 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 7/7/2002 7:02:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kendrav@attbi.com writes: << Can anyone point me to any other sources that might help me fill in the gaps between 1790 and 1820? Does _Corsets & Crinolines_ touch on this era? >> This is the $64 question. I don't think we yet know a whole lot about the transition period. Alden O'Brien, curator of costume, dolls, and toys, at the DAR Museum in Washington, is actively pursuing this question, as are a few others--Lorina at 5 Rivers Chapmanry comes to mind. As to published sources, there really aren't any. Ann Wass History/Museum Specialist Riversdale House Museum Riverdale Park MD annbwass@aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:37:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15501 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:37:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69DL7E02205; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DL6K03373; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DKAK03061 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-8-132.s2164.apx1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.8.132] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #5) id 17RuuX-0005UQ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2AE4AB.2020107@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norwegian glassary (was: Danish translation?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g69DKAK03061 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:27:07 -0400 Status: RO Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > Judy - I don't know either, if you find one please post! Failing > that, feel free to ask if there's anyting specific you're wondering > about, and I'll translate as far as my vocabulary allows. Hi Ingrid- I appreciate that, but right now I'm not involved in anything (except packing all of my sewing and assorted stuff and moving my office!). As I understand it, the language glossary sheets are tucked into the Butterick patterns when you buy them at the store. So anyone buying the patterns in Sweden gets the English - Swedish sheets everytime, likewise the Danish. do you not get insert sheets with Butterick patterns? Does Butterick not sell in Norway (odd, if they do in Denmark, Sweden & Finland!)? I didn't understand why Norwegian got left out of the pack! Seems peculiar to me. Maybe they think that since the vowels are the same it's the same language (Swedish looks obviously different)? -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:37:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15505 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69DL1E02186; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DL1K03322; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DK0K02987 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from melaniew (213-78-121-28.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.121.28]) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIC72116; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:19:24 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <028e01c2274b$d214bc80$4f6a4ed5@melaniew> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] small towns ( was Nettles (WAS:linen weight?)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:23:30 +0100 Status: RO No Luton is NOT a small town in English standards except maybe for Londoners. Not anyone normal ;) Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 09:59:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15588 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:59:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Dh2E03586; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Dh1K10406; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DgNK10218 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.18a.a5f722c (4238) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <18a.a5f722c.2a5c4226@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18a.a5f722c.2a5c4226_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:41:58 EDT Status: RO --part1_18a.a5f722c.2a5c4226_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you make it as far as Nuernberg plan lots of time for the Germanische Nationalmuseum there. It is fabulous!!!!!! Elisabeth --part1_18a.a5f722c.2a5c4226_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you make it as far as Nuernberg plan lots of time for the Germanische Nationalmuseum there.  It is fabulous!!!!!!
Elisabeth --part1_18a.a5f722c.2a5c4226_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:04:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15610 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:04:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Dm2E03850; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Dm1K12264; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DlhK12175 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.155.10928094 (657) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <155.10928094.2a5c4375@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Regency question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:47:33 EDT Status: RO In a message dated 7/8/2002 1:56:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lindo@radix.net writes: << A while back I saw a short Regency-period shift for sale on one of the sites that sells antique clothing; the speculation was that it had been shortened so that the fabric could be reused. However -- I think the bottom hem was finished. Which makes me wonder if someone had been wearing this shortened shift in the way the woman in the picture is wearing it. That would certainly decrease the bulk of petticoats worn. >> Mark Hutter, the tailor at Colonial Williamsburg, gave a presentation at Gadsby's Tavern, where he presented the idea that the short shift was developed to wear with pantaloons. Think about it--if you are wearing a hip length corset and drawers, a long shift would really get in the way. This is, though, another one of those things that we just don't know enough about yet. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15619 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Dr1E04157; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Dr1K13987; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DqJK13763 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69DqFF07658; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:52:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207091352.g69DqFF07658@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:52:15 BST Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk > wrote: > Next week I'm off for a tour of > southern Germany and Austria: route as yet > > unplanned. Anyone got any suggestions as to museums and so on that I > really > > shouldn't miss? > > It depends in what you are interested. Life, the Universe, and Everything.... no, seriously, up to about 1600s, costuming and cookery and maps and swords and... lots of things... > Vienna is an absolute must of course, It is? We'd been thinking we might not get that far. Replan... Munich seems to have a lot of museums, the question is which ones we'd want to go to. Innsbruck ilkewise is mentioned as being a "must", but with little idea as to just *why*. > Are you going along the Rhine? The castles are stunning, > lovely smalish town museums. Yes, we're having our first night at Bacharach and working south from there. But we "did" the Rhine a couple of years ago, so concentrating on things further south this time. > A lot on Roman and a fantastic museum on the Franks in > Krefeld Gellep. hmm, where's that? Google has so far found me no maps, but a Spangenhelm, which sounds good. Multimap says... oh, right up there. A bit further north than we were going this time. Shame: I'll have to remember that for another year. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15632 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Du1E04389; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Du1K15177; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69DtjK15063 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:55:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjKShZW2PXekO5cNF+IZGCRYdyeX8MvezQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7AHGQWS; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:54:54 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend Message-ID: <20020709.085439.-563463.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-7 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:54:39 -0500 Status: RO Hi Nicole! I love seeing the less common eras of costuming! Your mantua looks great. Can we get some detail shots of the laces on the gentleman's coat? Some detail shots of your lace would be great as well! Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15674 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:19:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69E31E04879; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69E30K17664; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69E27K17312 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69E23r07853; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:02:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207091402.g69E23r07853@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:02:03 BST Status: RO BOSTONHAHN@aol.com wrote : > If you make it as far as Nuernberg plan lots of time for the Germanische Nationalmuseum there.  It is fabulous!!!!!! > Elisabeth Ooh, just took a look at their web site. That's on the list! Lots of other museums, too, and I have a husband with a thing about WW2, so he won't be arguing too much. Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15689 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:22:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69E63E05101; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69E62K18853; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g69E5CK18557 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020709140511.68418.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:05:11 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207091352.g69DqFF07658@bart.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:05:11 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > no, seriously, up to about 1600s, costuming and cookery and maps and swords > and... lots of things... hmmm.. up to 1600, so that means some of my favourites don't apply. > > Vienna is an absolute must of course, > > It is? We'd been thinking we might not get that far. nope, not if you're not interested in the 18th century. Vienna is THE place to go for the 18th in my opinion. Replan... Munich seems > to have a lot of museums, the question is which ones we'd want to go to. would be a good idea to ask alexa from marquise.de she lives in Munich. > Innsbruck ilkewise is mentioned as being a "must", but with little idea as to > just *why*. sheesh I can't remember, I went to Innsbruck but I really can't remember. Are you going to Salzburg? Beautiful place, though mainly 18th again. > > hmm, where's that? Google has so far found me no maps, but a Spangenhelm, > which sounds good. Multimap says... oh, right up there. A bit further north > than we were going this time. Shame: I'll have to remember that for another > year. Krefeld is between Aachen and Dueseldorf, near Cologne. Nicole - coming from Aachen ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:22:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15693 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:22:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69E6BE05121; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69E6AK18933; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:06:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g69E5uK18806 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020709140555.14955.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:05:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020709.085439.-563463.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:05:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Hi Nicole! > > > I love seeing the less common eras of costuming! Your mantua looks great. > Can we get some detail shots of the laces on the gentleman's coat? Some > detail shots of your lace would be great as well! > > > Karen I wanted to have detail shots but I ended up with a heatsrokes on Sunday so couldn't take anymore photos. *pout* I will get more though! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:33:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15767 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:33:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69EG3E05833; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EG1K22672; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx09.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx09.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EFsK22604 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.101]) by mx09.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 37547180 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:15:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1790's corsets Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:15:53 -0400 Status: RO I've occasionally seen really, really inexpensive checked and striped linen at Phoenix Textiles online ( http://store.yahoo.com/phoenixtextiles/ ). I got a bolt of a stripe last year and it's very nice. I have vague plans for a middle-class regency day dress, and also want to try real linen sheets! I know a year or 2 ago they had a very similar check to the one used in the corset. -Amanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:38:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15793 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:38:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69ELFE06255; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69ELAK24743; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EK5K24329 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p104-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.104] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17RvqV-0007OH-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:20:03 +1200 Message-ID: <002d01c22753$ba3a58b0$68d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020709100230.63557.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:20:06 +1200 Status: RO > I finally got some photos of the Officer's uniform coat and breeches and > waistcoat I have been working on so madly in the past weeks for ben. > Unfortunately he had his coat closed and you can't see the beautiful red silk > and gold brocade waistcoat. *laughs* I will take more photos though soon. > > http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Hounslow/ It's so funny, in late 1997 I was cast as Lady Wishfort in the Way of the World for some resoration comedy scenes.. and while I was hunting bits to make a costume (really quickie one as *no one* else did anyhting thing and I would stick out like a terribley sore thumb) I started to absolutely *loathe* that particular style. But then I found some mantua patterns and really lovely examples.. and decided it was't the fashions persay but the way they were presented in print. Didn't really like the horizonatla lace flounce things happening. But now of course I have plans on making my own wool matua;) o it's funny how we can be cyclic in our own preferences in fashion... And of course your manua and ensemble help in seeing the more classy side of the style;) Thanks for sharing:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:38:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15800 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:38:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69EM1E06368; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EM1K25112; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69ELoK25034 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJW96ILX4W00OVMR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:21:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJW96FCPOW017FXU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:21:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:18:07 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:17:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:17:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] small towns In-reply-to: <200207091407.g69E7GK19358@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <11EF8F80262@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:17:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > > Maybe it's not that small a town? Pop 169,000, a web-search tells > > > me. > > Sue Clemenger wrote : > > > Holy crap! That's hardly small! I think the largest city in my whole > > state is only a little over 100,000. --sue > > I suppose we tend to compare it with London, just down the road. > Population of around 7 million or so. Luton certainly isn't a city, > although as towns go it's quite big. > > Or maybe the UK just tends to do things bigger than the USA...? > no, maybe not! Well, when I used the term "small town" I was referring to *Dunstable* which is considerably smaller than Luton (even though it has now merged onto one side of Luton) and I call any town that I can walk from one side to the other in half an hour or less, small. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:39:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15809 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69EN1E06456; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EN0K25527; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EMIK25219 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69EME408197; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:22:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207091422.g69EME408197@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:22:14 BST Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > > Innsbruck ilkewise is mentioned as being a "must", but with little idea as > to > > just *why*. > > sheesh I can't remember, I went to Innsbruck but I really can't remember. Possibly "because it's pretty" covers it? > Are > you going to Salzburg? Beautiful place, though mainly 18th again. Probably. Mozart is my favourite composer, so I expect I'll take a look. > Krefeld is between Aachen and Dueseldorf, near Cologne. (sigh) came right past it two years ago. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 10:46:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15844 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:46:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69ET2E07010; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:29:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69ET1K28132; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69EShK27982 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g69EScV08267; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:28:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207091428.g69EScV08267@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] small towns From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:28:38 BST Status: RO Teddy wrote : > Well, when I used the term "small town" I was referring to > *Dunstable* which is considerably smaller than Luton (even though > it has now merged onto one side of Luton) and I call any town that I > can walk from one side to the other in half an hour or less, small. Ah, this explains it all: to me, Dunstable is a suburb of Luton. Just like Stopsley, where I grew up. And to get this at least slightly back on topic, both close enough to the town centre to be linked to the Luton hat-making industry, I think? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 11:10:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15924 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:10:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Es2E09284; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Es1K10224; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69ErgK10010 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:53:43 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Thread-Index: AcInIEx0/DHcDp53Q22bpGXuKL7AMQANxCfw From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g69ErgK10010 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:52:49 -0700 Status: RO Nancy Stengel Ulmer wrote: << Looking through Italian Renaissance Interiors I came across a picture of a Birth (may be the Virgin; may be John the Baptist: book says Virgin; website says Baptist) by Giusto de' Menabuoi in the Cathedral Baptistry in Padua (1376-78). I got very excited...there is a woman wearing a sleeveless chemise that is belted under the breasts. I would normally assume that she is the wetnurse, but she's wearing a balzo, although that may indicate that the painter assumed that the Baptist (or Virgin) would have a noble wetnurse. >> Wow - great find, Nancy! Now I'll have to rush home and dig up my copy and take a very close look. I also found a literary reference in Boccaccio's _Elegy of Lady Fiammetta_. I don't have it with me at work, but there's a scene where she and Panfilo are at the equivalent of a resort town and she talks about the ladies wearing silky tunics with bare arms that revealed a view of their cleavage when the ladies bent to pick up shellfish (?) out of the water. I'll add the book to the list of things to dig up and bring in tomorrow. (I'm also working to check the Italian to make sure that it is not a translation error of some sort.) I may be able to document that sleeveless chemise in Italy yet! Woo-hoo! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 11:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16115 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:51:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69FZ6E13445; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69FZ1K02474; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69FY6K01942 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g69FY5H03870 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:34:05 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Norwegian glassary (was: Danish translation?) In-Reply-To: <3D2AE4AB.2020107@oldwaylane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Judy Mitchell wrote: > As I understand it, the language > glossary sheets are tucked into the Butterick patterns when > you buy them at the store. So anyone buying the patterns in > Sweden gets the English - Swedish sheets everytime, likewise > the Danish. do you not get insert sheets with Butterick > patterns? Does Butterick not sell in Norway (odd, if they do > in Denmark, Sweden & Finland!)? Hm, I don't buy a lot of commercial patterns, so I don't really know if you can get Butterick patterns here. I'll check if I can remember when I'm somewhere that sells patterns. > I didn't understand why > Norwegian got left out of the pack! Seems peculiar to me. > Maybe they think that since the vowels are the same it's the > same language (Swedish looks obviously different)? I'm not sure if this is the reason, but it's fairly usual for Norwegian to be left out of multilanguage contexts, like for example the back of shampoo bottles that are sold in different Nordic countries. Heh, lame example, but the first thing that springs to mind. :) In my experience most Norwegians read both Swedish and Danish fairly well, even though the vocabulary differs between the languages. Personally I read Danish better than Swedish (but English better than either), and understand verbal Swedish far better than Danish. My guess would be that since Norway has a much smaller population than both other Scandinavian countries, it may be simply a matter of money - why go to the extra cost when it is assumed that we understand the other two languages anyway. But this is speculation on my part - for all I know, there may be a Norwegian glossary sheet and they just forgot to include it in your pack. :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 11:59:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16148 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:59:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Fh3E14319; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Fh2K07080; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69FguK07019 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:42:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g69Fgtr03917 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:42:55 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? In-Reply-To: <20020709140511.68418.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, N Kipar wrote: > > > > hmm, where's that? Google has so far found me no maps, but a Spangenhelm, > > which sounds good. Multimap says... oh, right up there. A bit further north > > than we were going this time. Shame: I'll have to remember that for another > > year. > > Krefeld is between Aachen and Dueseldorf, near Cologne. > > Nicole - coming from Aachen Aah, speaking of Düsseldorf - I'm going back for a few days in October to visit old haunts. My family lived there for two years, gaah, over 12 years ago, but my I was quite young then and my costume interest not developed. So I have no idea if the city has any particularly good costume related museums or any really good fabric stores. Any ideas? I need to shop and marvel! :D Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 13:39:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17017 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69HN5E24517; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69HN1A05664; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69HMoA05544 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16436 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:22:48 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207091004.g69A43K17218@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Nicole's photos Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:14:05 -0400 Status: RO Nicole, as always I am so inspired by your photos! It is so wonderful to see people doing everything perfectly! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 13:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17064 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69HS2E25100; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69HS1A08566; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69HR4A08025 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:27:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p238.directcon.net [209.233.107.238]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g69HQNKI009704 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:26:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020709103200.00e34280@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions In-Reply-To: <20020709100230.63557.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:32:00 -0700 Status: RO Help! Can anyone refer me to a book with clear instructions on how to construct a button fly? I've been through all my sewing books and I'm starting to get really frustrated. Esepecially with books titled things like "The Complete Book of Tailoring" that don't even *mention* menswear. It seems a rather large area to ignore, after all. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 14:38:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17259 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:38:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69IM1E00354; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69IM0A10053; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69ILaA09886 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g69IMHX50381 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207091822.g69IMHX50381@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sort of costume In-Reply-To: "from Kevin & Mara Riley at Jul 9, 2002 08:00:11 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO She was a 40's star and Olympic swimmer who now produces a line of 40's style swimsuits that are very elegant. And expensive. I've been drooling over them for years. > What are Esther Williams suits? > > Cut-off Levis and a tank top work pretty well ;D > > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > > i'm all for esther williams suits. > > > > or body paint. > > > > > > > Well, ya know what my solution would be? SURGERY!!!!! :) > > > > > > Ches > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lou Demas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:24 PM > > > Subject: [h-cost] Sort of costume > > > > > > > > > > CHOOSING A NEW BATHING SUIT Reportedly a true e-mail a woman wrote to > > > > her friend after shopping for a bathing suit. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:07:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17385 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:07:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Ip1E03459; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Ip0A27104; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69IoKA26656 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:50:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYZ00758WB52P@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise In-reply-to: <9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020709114149.00c8c510@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:42:42 -0700 Status: RO >Looking through Italian Renaissance Interiors I came across a picture of a >Birth (may be the Virgin; may be John the Baptist: book says Virgin; >website says Baptist) by Giusto de' Menabuoi in the Cathedral Baptistry in >Padua (1376-78). I got very excited...there is a woman wearing a >sleeveless chemise that is belted under the breasts. I would normally >assume that she is the wetnurse, but she's wearing a balzo, although that >may indicate that the painter assumed that the Baptist (or Virgin) would >have a noble wetnurse. > >There is also a servant standing in the back wearing a shortsleeved >chemise with a sleeveless gown similar to a gonnella over top of it. > >I would love to have feedback and comments on this picture. Koehler has a photo of a real one of these in his book. I don't remember the period he said it was, but it's even in the Dover reprint. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:09:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17394 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:09:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69IqbE03613; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69IqaA27938; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69IoLA26669 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYZ00758WB52P@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:50:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sort of costume In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020709114404.00cfb750@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200207090411.g694B7S45672@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:44:25 -0700 Status: RO I never got the original post. Whazup? >What are Esther Williams suits? > >Cut-off Levis and a tank top work pretty well ;D > > >On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > > i'm all for esther williams suits. > > > > or body paint. > > > > > > > Well, ya know what my solution would be? SURGERY!!!!! :) > > > > > > Ches > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lou Demas" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:24 PM > > > Subject: [h-cost] Sort of costume > > > > > > > > > > CHOOSING A NEW BATHING SUIT Reportedly a true e-mail a woman wrote to > > > > her friend after shopping for a bathing suit. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17398 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:09:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69IqgE03630; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69IqfA28001; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69IoMA26679 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GYZ00758WB52P@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20020709103200.00e34280@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020709114703.00d01c80@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020709100230.63557.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:49:35 -0700 Status: RO You might start by putting a pair of Levis 501s next to a pair of regular trousers, and looking at both at the same time. Or you might go to a vintage clothing place and looking at an original. And there must be repro-patterns out there, for less than the price of a book. >Help! Can anyone refer me to a book with clear instructions on how to >construct a button fly? > >I've been through all my sewing books and I'm starting to get really >frustrated. Esepecially with books titled things like "The Complete Book >of Tailoring" that don't even *mention* menswear. It seems a rather large >area to ignore, after all. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:17:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17434 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:17:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69J11E04533; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69J11A03162; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g69J0te03088 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:00:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sort of costume Message-ID: <20020709130055.B27240@net.indra.com> References: <200207090411.g694B7S45672@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <4.3.1.2.20020709114404.00cfb750@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020709114404.00cfb750@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:00:55 -0600 Status: RO http://www.esther-williams.com/swimwear.htm ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:19:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17441 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:19:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69J32E04686; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69J31A04274; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69J26A03770 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:02:07 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Thread-Index: AcInecwwwuRPubqKT4C0OK8LMeFweQAAAtBA From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g69J26A03770 Subject: [h-cost] Sleeveless Chemise in Koehler Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:01:19 -0700 Status: RO Katya wrote: <> Since Koehler is considered a dubious source by many, I've tracked the picture and the information from his book back to the original source that he obtained it from. The book is _Fünf Bücher Deutscher Hausaltertümer von den Ältesten Geschichtlichen Zeiten Bis Zum 16. Jahrhundert_ by Moriz Heyne, published in Leipzig in 1903. The picture in Koehler is the exact same picture shown in the Heyne book. The chemise was found in 1867 in Castle Rhanis (Burg Rhanis) in Thuringen in Germany with other items that were dated from the early 14th century. The most recent information I have from the curator at the museum at Castle Rhanis is that the chemise is no longer there. The castle was in private hands prior to and during WWII and from the information that I have so far, the Russians took everything that was in the castle with them when they came through at the end of WWII. I have a contact checking to see if, by some miracle, it survived to make it into a Moscow museum, but no news so far. Best regards, Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17467 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69J50E04942; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69J50A05530; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69J42A04858 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCjKShZW2PXekXEviBgdxNLhOn6DGIeN25g=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7A24S3F; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:02:58 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions Message-ID: <20020709.140152.-563463.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:01:52 -0500 Status: RO Smoke and Fire have a button fly pants pattern available for $11.00. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 15:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17497 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69JB2E05554; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69JB0A08710; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69JAgA08510 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip191.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.191]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g69JAYP21155 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Message-ID: <3D2AD4D0.21123.EB7026C@localhost> Priority: normal References: <9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1@aol.com> In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020709114149.00c8c510@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:19:28 -0700 Status: RO > Koehler has a photo of a real one of these in his book. I don't > remember the period he said it was, but it's even in the Dover > reprint. That's the one which sparked off this discussion. Colleen had been trying to track it down but evidently it was carried off by invading Russians in WWII. It's a 14th C German chemise. There are also the Bohemian "bath house girls" but Colleen is looking for specifically Italian 14th century sleeveless chemises. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 16:12:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17735 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Ju2E09779; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Ju1A04734; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69JtIA04374 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g69JtGJU023783 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend In-Reply-To: <20020709.085439.-563463.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A friend of mine has put in a request for pictures of enlisted personnel, too . -- Mara On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > Hi Nicole! > > > I love seeing the less common eras of costuming! Your mantua looks great. > Can we get some detail shots of the laces on the gentleman's coat? Some > detail shots of your lace would be great as well! > > > Karen > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 16:50:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17937 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:50:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69KY1E13370; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69KY0A26547; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g69KXrA26449 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020709203353.81358.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 21:33:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:33:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > A friend of mine has put in a request for pictures of enlisted personnel, > too . > > -- Mara personnel? *grins* red- or blackhaired? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:08:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18044 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69KpmE15186; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Kn1A05737; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69KllA05069 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from KeckSimba@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.138.10fd6018 (4569) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: KeckSimba@aol.com Message-ID: <138.10fd6018.2a5ca5dc@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Subject: [h-cost] how do i get them to stop sending me e-mails? 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--=====================_41066938==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:34:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18143 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69LI1E17781; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LI1A22449; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g686BlD29611 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:11:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-100-169.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.100.169]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AHX37839; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:12:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <027801c22647$72c14f00$3e664ed5@pavilion> From: "Historic Costume" To: References: <3D281088.31243.3E7DF54@localhost><3D290EC2.8030101@attbi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020707225807.009f8610@pop.telus.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nettle allergy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Historic Costume" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:19:16 +0100 Status: RO There would be no sting on nettle cloth, even wet nettle have no sting Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:34:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18148 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:34:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69LI6E17799; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LI6A22533; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.190.223.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g68LhSK24832 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (usergh072.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.175.72]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9037D16000B7E for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:43:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00c201c226c8$7e20f900$0101a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: Subject: Re: Flax was Re: [h-cost] Nettles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:43:25 +0100 Status: RO > Now you made me think of an old question that's been resurfacing in my head > but that I never did anything with before... > > How WAS flax prepared? Any good website? How was it spun into thread? > Sara Von Tresckow has a wonderful website at:- http://www2.powercom.net/~sarav/id11.htm which covers all practical aspects of flax from growing (see the flaxcam pictures!) to preparing, through spinning and weaving, to wearing. Linda Walton. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:38:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18188 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69LM1E18146; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LM1A24866; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LLMA24526 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17S2QC-000KuI-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:21:20 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of weeds.... References: <3D29956D.3D4F04A7@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3D29956D.3D4F04A7@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:15:23 +0100 Status: RO Yes, a friend of mine has a demonstration hank of wool dyed with tansy, and she says she wants to renew it because it's not as loud as it was. We were considering doing surcoats with it and giving them to people as "stewards" - high-visibility surcoats! Jean Sue Clemenger wrote >Speaking of using plants we may often consider weeds, some friends of >mine, who are into natural dyeing, have discovered that you can get >really nifty shades of green using tansy or knapweed (whole plant, no >root in both cases), both of which are ubiquitous around here (Montana >has a bad problem with these and other "noxious weeds."). You even get >a really decent darker green if you do an iron bath on the fibers after >the dyeing. I've just seen the results on wool and silk fibers (the >wool definitely took the dye more strongly), although they apparently >played with some linen threads as well. No idea how colorfast it is, >but now I'm sure wishing I could find some white wool >*fabric.*....*sigh* ;-) >--sue, who's also discovered you get a really good, screaming yellow >using dandelion flowers, which makes an eye-popping bright green when >you overdye it with indigo >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:39:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18205 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69LM8E18176; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LM8A24943; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LLOA24547 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17S2QC-000KuJ-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:21:21 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend References: <20020709100230.63557.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020709100230.63557.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:57:19 +0100 Status: RO I have to say, the gentlemen in their coats and wigs were definitely the spiffiest thing at the event - Huzzah! Jean N Kipar wrote >Hi All, > >I finally got some photos of the Officer's uniform coat and breeches and >waistcoat I have been working on so madly in the past weeks for ben. >Unfortunately he had his coat closed and you can't see the beautiful red silk >and gold brocade waistcoat. *laughs* I will take more photos though soon. > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Hounslow/ > >My mantua and fontange was made by Ninya Mikhaila, costumier to Hampton Court >amongst other places. Mine and Ben's wigs were made by Derek Easton (again, >like the 1660s one) our shoes by Sarah Juniper (all our shoes are). All my lace >is 19th century lace, some handmade venetian gros needlepoint (lace stomacher, >tucker and wrist frills), which I got from Marla Mallett, textile collector; >the lappets of the fontange are 19th c. chemical lace lappets from a cape, the >dark red silk ribbon is Victorian too. The belt buckle is a genuine one from >1700, a mopped back to shine meal detector find. All of these last items are >from eBay. The linen and silk cream brocade of the petticoat is an actual >period pattern taht was woven as 'wallpaper' for a stately period home here in >England and I got the narrow remnants, 10 meters of it. The black silk and >silver metal brocade of the actual mantua is from Russia, and the gold real >metal braid edging is from Germany. All the other silks and silk brocades are >from merchants in the UK. >Ben's coat is made from scarlet superfine cloth from Hainsworth, which is the >actual same that is used by the Ministry of Defense for dress and parade >uniforms. A beautiful beautiful cloth, but a pain to sew, it is so tightly >woven. The silver lace is the B&S pattern for state livery, it's mylar not 90% >silver because te latter was impossible to get, and I got it from Hand's, the >oldest established (and still going) goldlacemen in London, supliers to the >Ministry of defense and the Royal household too. The coat is lined with scarlet >taffeta silk. The early tricorne hat (rolled up, wired and NOT folded) with >silver lacing was made by Jane Smith, hatmaker in London, who usually works for >the big theatre companies like the National Theatre. The brocade of Ben's >waistcoat is from Russia too, and is linen lined. > >There you are, a big long explanation of what you see on the pix :-) > >Hope you enjoy, something completely else for once! > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:45:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18234 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69LT1E19157; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LT1A29208; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LSRA28925 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.104.183e050e (4426) for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <104.183e050e.2a5caf6f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_104.183e050e.2a5caf6f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:28:15 EDT Status: RO --part1_104.183e050e.2a5caf6f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margo.....shall I send you my method of doing it? I just sorta figured it out on my own but it works and looks just like "the real thing" [it IS the real thing as far as I can tell]. I find them easier than zipper flies. Let me type up some instructions tonight. In the mean time see if you can find a sewing book from the 1950s or earlier. It should have button flies in it. --part1_104.183e050e.2a5caf6f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Margo.....shall I send you my method of doing it? I just sorta figured it out on my own but it works and looks just like "the real thing" [it IS the real thing as far as I can tell]. I find them easier than zipper flies.

Let me type up some instructions tonight.

In the mean time see if you can find a sewing book from the 1950s or earlier. It should have button flies in it. --part1_104.183e050e.2a5caf6f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 17:51:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18262 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69LZ2E19677; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LZ1A02670; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69LYYA02399 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:34:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.247]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020709213433.POYV28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:34:33 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] velvet for sale (cross-posted, not spam, please forgive me, it's too good to pass up) Message-ID: <3D2B64FA.1868.6195BD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.0.20020704120540.00abdec0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:34:34 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Jul 2002 at 12:40, Victoria Wickens wrote: > ACETATE: $40 for 5 yards, $60 for 10 yards, and $6/yd including shipping for every additional > yard after 10. > > PANNE: $30 for 5 yards, $50 for 10 yards, and $5/yd including shipping for each additional yard > over 10. That looks like a lot of velvet for not very much money: but I now realise that my total knowledge of velvet is "I can't afford it" (and even that is now wrong!) Could someone advise on what these two types are, please? Also when they would have been used, and for what? 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Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:23:37 -0700

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Roscelin

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I know we've all
moved past the idea that women just stopped wearing ANY corset in the
1790's-1810's, but when did corsets start to change?


A literary costume note I've always found interesting: Mary Shelley's 1/2 sister Fanny commits suicide in 1816;  Fanny is identified by her mother's stays that she's wearing.  The stays must be circa at least 1795  (the year her mother died).  So in 1816 she was wearing a 1795 (or earlier) corset.  Made me wonder how long stays lasted, if you were not wealthy how long would you wear the same corset?

Cheers,

Loren Dearborn
marionetta@aol.com --part1_9b.2a1fe7ba.2a5cbe3b_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 18:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18427 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:50:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69MYFE25309; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69MYEA05949; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69MXjA05665 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g69MZ5n52733 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207092235.g69MZ5n52733@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1027 - 17 msgs In-Reply-To: <9b.2a1fe7ba.2a5cbe3b@aol.com> "from Marionetta@aol.com at Jul 9, 2002 06:31:23 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO well, i have bras from high school still -- the special occasion ones at least -- and they aren't even well made. > In a message dated 7/8/02 12:05:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > > I know we've all > > moved past the idea that women just stopped wearing ANY corset in the > > 1790's-1810's, but when did corsets start to change? > > > > A literary costume note I've always found interesting: Mary Shelley's 1/2 > sister Fanny commits suicide in 1816; Fanny is identified by her mother's > stays that she's wearing. The stays must be circa at least 1795 (the year > her mother died). So in 1816 she was wearing a 1795 (or earlier) corset. > Made me wonder how long stays lasted, if you were not wealthy how long would > you wear the same corset? > > Cheers, > > Loren Dearborn > marionetta@aol.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 19:56:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18679 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:56:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Ne5E00721; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Ne0A07092; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Nd8A06818 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p157.directcon.net [209.233.107.157]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g69NcvKI029193; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:38:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020709164435.00e3c990@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions In-Reply-To: <104.183e050e.2a5caf6f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:44:35 -0700 Status: RO At 05:28 PM 07/09/2002 EDT, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Margo.....shall I send you my method of doing it? Yes, please! >In the mean time see if you can find a sewing book from the 1950s or >earlier. It should have button flies in it. Unfortunately all my older sewing books ignore the topic of men's tailoring, and the newer ones only give zipper instructions. The frustrating thing is, I made a pair of slops about 8 years ago, and the client requested a buttoned fly. I remeber following directions in a book, but I can't figure out for the life of me which one it was! I'm planning to buy this book soon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0870054317/qid=1026236027/sr=2-1/ref= sr_2_1/104-5744739-8328736 in the hopes that it will answer this sort of question for me. Does anyone know if it includes button fly instructions? Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 20:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18693 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:00:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g69Ni1E00977; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69Ni0A08551; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f205.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.205]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g69NhRA08330 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:43:26 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.81 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 23:43:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.81] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 23:43:26.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BB53C60:01C227A2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:43:26 -0700 Status: RO > >Help! Can anyone refer me to a book with clear instructions on how to >construct a button fly? > >I've been through all my sewing books and I'm starting to get really >frustrated. Esepecially with books titled things like "The Complete Book >of Tailoring" that don't even *mention* menswear>Margo >"One Tough Costumer" Check out THREADS Magazine's webpage. They have all kinds of things like that. Now that I think of it I think I'll go cruise around myself. ;) http://www.taunton.com/threads/index.asp Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 20:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18760 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:19:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A030E02104; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A030A15256; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f124.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.124]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A02vA15225 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:02:51 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.81 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:02:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.81] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 00:02:51.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[223D6050:01C227A5] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:02:51 -0700 Status: RO >From: Margo Anderson >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions >Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:32:00 -0700 > >Help! Can anyone refer me to a book with clear instructions on how to >construct a button fly? > >I've been through all my sewing books and I'm starting to get really >frustrated. Esepecially with books titled things like "The Complete Book >of Tailoring" that don't even *mention* menswear. It seems a rather large >area to ignore, after all. > >Margo I did find a company that sells a pattern for button fly trousers. http://www.tailorsguide.com/bf-trous.htm Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 21:02:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18922 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:02:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A0k2E04729; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A0k0A29361; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A0jvA29333 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net ([10.116.0.123]) by scanmail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:44:33 -0700 Received: from scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123] by scanmail3.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A36DBFD0208; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:44:32 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:44:32 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions Message-ID: <001801c227ab$35345c30$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020709103200.00e34280@pop.directcon.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: h-costume@indra.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:46:19 -0500 Status: RO I've used several patterns for men's trousers with a button fly, and the best instructions I've found are in Laughing Moon's California pants. It's a very good pattern. http://www.lafnmoon.com/california_pants.htm Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:32 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Seeking Button Fly instructions Help! Can anyone refer me to a book with clear instructions on how to construct a button fly? I've been through all my sewing books and I'm starting to get really frustrated. Esepecially with books titled things like "The Complete Book of Tailoring" that don't even *mention* menswear. It seems a rather large area to ignore, after all. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 21:14:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18951 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:14:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A0w1E05171; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A0w0A03002; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:58:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A0vqA02952 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04078 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:21:50 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise In-Reply-To: <9.2aa28f09.2a5bf3c1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:21:50 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > Looking through Italian Renaissance Interiors I came across a picture > of a Birth (may be the Virgin; may be John the Baptist: book says > Virgin; website says Baptist) by Giusto de' Menabuoi in the Cathedral > Baptistry in Padua (1376-78). I got very excited...there is a woman > wearing a sleeveless chemise that is belted under the breasts. I > would normally assume that she is the wetnurse, but she's wearing a > balzo, although that may indicate that the painter assumed that the > Baptist (or Virgin) would have a noble wetnurse. It's hard to tell from the online version, but is her right breast exposed through a nursing slit? If so, you've definitely got a wetnurse. Perhaps someone with a hardcopy reproduction of this image can tell us. Sure does look like a sleeveless chemise, and I'd consider this a pretty clear-cut source (the attendants look pretty realistic). There are some curious details throughout worth noting: the belt on the chemise, the lines (decoration? seams?) on the mother's gown/chemise, the general plumpness of the women, and the servant you already noticed with the shortsleeved chemise with the sleeveless gown. Next step: Find more art by this artist and compare styles and presentation. Then, if possible, other art from the same place and time to see if his quirks are unique or occur elsewhere. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 21:52:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19062 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:52:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A1a1E07309; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A1a0A14161; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A1ZqA14107 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [113.105.42.16] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GZ0001J8DENS3@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.20020709164435.00e3c990@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <3.0.6.32.20020709164435.00e3c990@pop.directcon.net> Subject: [h-cost] A question from a friend Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:58:36 -0400 Status: RO My husband figured that I would know the answer to this question. And of course I wouldn't want to let him down. But a person at his work wanted to know the answer to this question. And the question is: > I was wondering if you could help me, do you know what the name of a > nightshirt or gown that was worn by a king called? This would be from the > 13th Century forward. I can't come up with anything other than an undershirt or chemise (but I thought those were women's wear). I will be sure to credit the correct answerer, of course. Any ideas? Linda K-S _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 22:57:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19535 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:57:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A2f1E10395; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A2f0A02811; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A2eRA02624 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-20-209.s209.apx3.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.20.209] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #5) id 17S7P0-0007Eg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:40:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2BA03F.9080606@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie: "Druids" References: <200207092225.g69MPqOW027103@grape.dcsi.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:47:27 -0400 Status: RO > *From:* Rose Amberwulf > *Date:* Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:23:37 -0700 > > Has anyone else try this website? I wasn't able to get anywhere with it. > I am quite eager to take a look at the beads. Hi Roscelin- it works fine on my end, and I've tromped through the site as well. It's possible that you got caught by the same thing a friend of my got caught with: when the url was posted there was an extra underscore at the beginning and at the end of the address. The one at the beginning wasn't a problem because it was on a different line, but the one at the end seem to travel with the url. My first try gave me a 404 error message. I realized what probably happened and erased the line at the end and it worked just fine. Try this: http://www16.aname.net/~arkeodok/index.html -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 9 22:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19544 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A2h1E10451; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A2h1A03293; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6A2gCA03090 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 26673 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2002 02:42:12 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2002 02:42:12 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-100-42.sonic.net [209.148.100.42]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g6A2gBv25219 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:42:11 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3D2BA010.1A7282B@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] The 1796 nettlecloth dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:46:40 -0700 Status: RO The photos were someone supplied appear to have been scanned in from a modern copyrighted book, Ellen Anderson's _Moden 1790-1840_. This book includes a scale pattern of the same dress with notes. It also includes 18 other scale patterns for women's and men's garments, and many photos including those for which no pattern is provided. It was published in 1986 by the Nationalmuseet in Copenhagen. I think I bought mine from Fred Struthers--his email is fsbks@mcn.org. Fran Grimble --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 00:18:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19807 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:18:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A421E15064; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A420A27561; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A41hA27442 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:01:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-207-232-87-143.lincoln.radiks.net ([207.232.87.143] helo=hppav.radiks.net) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17S8fd-0007LX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:01:41 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020708233559.00a67ec0@radiks.net> X-Sender: costumrs@radiks.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200207081008.g68A81D13834@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume College Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:41:48 -0500 Status: RO We're going to Costume College as well. We're teaching a class on Trims on Saturday at 1 pm, and a limited attendance workshop on creating headpieces and headdresses (mostly Fantasy oriented, but...) late Sunday afternoon. I at least will try to remember to put a red H on my badge. If you're going to the gala Saturday night, I will be in bright orange and yellow, and Pierre will be in black and silver gray. Sandy >From: AlbraKat@aol.com >I'll be going to Costumne College----and will be teaching the gold >bullion/metal thread /pearl embroidery class on saturday morning:) Arriving >friday late afternoon--leaving sunday by noon. I'll put a red H next to my >name on my name badge---Kathryn Wolters----and would love to meet up for an >h-costumne lunch. Hope to meet more of you there!! >Albra/Kathryn "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly-- Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 01:06:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19919 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:06:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A4o3E17493; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A4o0A12192; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A4nqA12120 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.3c.20ea92c6 (16785) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.20ea92c6.2a5d16e1@aol.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3c.20ea92c6.2a5d16e1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:49:37 EDT Status: RO --part1_3c.20ea92c6.2a5d16e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/02 2:02:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Colleen.McDonald@mackie.com writes: > I may be able to document that sleeveless chemise in Italy yet! Colleen, Remind me please, what exactly are you trying to document the sleeveless chemise for? Do you have any particular exterior garments that you want to recreate to wear over them? This area really fascinates me, so I'm really interested in what you've tried so far. This era and the clothes in Italy of that time are on my "wish list". I want to look like one of the babes in the Tacuinam Sanitatis! Nancy --part1_3c.20ea92c6.2a5d16e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/02 2:02:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Colleen.McDonald@mackie.com writes:


I may be able to document that sleeveless chemise in Italy yet!


Colleen,

Remind me please, what exactly are you trying to document the sleeveless chemise for?  Do you have any particular exterior garments that you want to recreate to wear over them?  This area really fascinates me, so I'm really interested in what you've tried so far.  This era and the clothes in Italy of that time are on my "wish list".  I want to look like one of the babes in the Tacuinam Sanitatis!

Nancy --part1_3c.20ea92c6.2a5d16e1_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 01:30:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19980 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A5E1E18529; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A5E0A18618; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:14:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A5DbA18428 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:13:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.44.48]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020710051328.GBXE5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:13:28 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020709184449.00a2ee40@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:57:33 -0700 Status: RO Hello, everyone - My name is Julie, and I've been lurking here for a few months. Sort of waiting for the right moment (and the nerve) to jump in and join the fun. Costuming is a hobby I've indulged in as far back as I can remember. I just plain like to make costumes. Not professionally, but just for myself and sometimes some friends. I'm not really into the SCA or Ren Faire, my primary interest is the research and construction of the costumes themselves. My favorite time period has always been Regency (with some side trips to the Renaissance, both English and Italian). For the last few years I've been away from costuming, but lately I've gotten back into it and I've got several projects scattered around the house. I just recently converted part of (well, MOST of) the closet in the guest room to fabric storage so I can put my hands on anything in my fabric stash whenever I need to. I've got lots of questions and pleas for help, but that'll come later. First things first - I think I can help a bunch of people here. There's been some talk recently about the book The Revolution In Fashion from the Kyoto Costume Institute. I noticed every seemed to be in agreement that the book was out of print and unable to be found anywhere. Well, I just came across this book recently (I live near Los Angeles and was in AlterYears a few weeks ago and I drooled over the store copy) and of course the moment I saw it I knew I had to have a copy. I did a little searching on the Internet and found that most people were right, it was no where to be found. But then I decided to check the source and the end result is I'm sitting here with a brand new copy of Revolution In Fashion clutched in my hands as I type this! I found it at, of all places, the Kyoto Costume Institute website. They have it listed in their catalog, and I just emailed the contact person, received a reply within 24 hours, and here I am, two weeks later with the book. The best part, it cost just $30, and that included shipping from Kyoto! They said the only way they can ship it is C.O.D, which is a bit of a pain because I had to wait here for the delivery, but it was so worth it! Here's the address for the catalog page: http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/catalogue.cgi?lang=e If I was able to purchase it, I'm sure anyone else who wants a copy will be able to, too! I've got to go find a drool rag so I can sit down and enjoy the book! Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 01:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20003 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A5Q1E18989; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A5Q0A21699; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A5PlA21639 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05272 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:49:46 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise In-Reply-To: <3c.20ea92c6.2a5d16e1@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > This era and the clothes in Italy of that time are on my "wish list". > I want to look like one of the babes in the Tacuinam Sanitatis! Which Tacuinam? There are five or so manuscripts of that name whose illustrations are frequently reproduced, with some differences in style among them. They may be nominally Italian, but they're from Northern Italy, and in some of the manuscripts, the fashions are almost indistinguishable from the French. And, which Italy? If you're looking for "Italian" style, you need to consider which of the several distinct styles lumped under that name you actually mean. Each of the regions had its own look, and the farther south you go, the more it differs from Western Europe. For instance, the image we were just looking at, with the sleeveless chemise, is very different in look from what you see in many of the Tacuinum manuscripts. And this is one reason I don't go anywhere near Italian costume! I can't wrap my head around the degree of variation, and I've never tried to work out which of the variations line up with which of the regions. But I use some of the Tacuinum illustrations when I teach International Gothic fashions, because they fall close enough (geographically and stylistically) to the Franco-Flemish to be classed with them. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 02:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05084 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A6DiE22324; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A6DeA04191; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:13:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe39.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A694A03045 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 23:08:59 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020709184449.00a2ee40@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 06:08:59.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[47DC3BF0:01C227D8] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:09:47 -0400 Status: RO > I found it at, of all places, the Kyoto Costume Institute website. They > have it listed in their catalog, and I just emailed the contact person, > received a reply within 24 hours, and here I am, two weeks later with the > book. The best part, it cost just $30, and that included shipping from > Kyoto! They said the only way they can ship it is C.O.D, which is a bit of > a pain because I had to wait here for the delivery, but it was so worth it! > > Here's the address for the catalog > page: http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/catalogue.cgi?lang=e > If I was able to purchase it, I'm sure anyone else who wants a copy will be > able to, too! Oh, wow, THANKS!! Btw, there's one copy on ebay now, but last time I checked it was up to 92$ - and they don't ship to Canada :-) Your way is MUCH better!!! The worst thing is, I went to their website yesterday night, saw the video of the same name, didn't see the book... ehehe :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 03:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17388 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:33:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A7H1E28619; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A7H0A18821; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A7AiA17386 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:10:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020710071038.OVKQ29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:10:38 +0000 Message-ID: <3D2BDDED.1020707@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200207092225.g69MPqOW027103@grape.dcsi.net.au> <3D2BA03F.9080606@oldwaylane.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] History of beads Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:10:37 -0700 Status: RO Thank you, Judy. It is working for me now with your correction. I can't wait to get the CD. I've been a beader for sometime, but have just started to think about working on a research paper about the use and history of beads. Roscelin Judy Mitchell wrote: >> *From:* Rose Amberwulf >> *Date:* Tue, 09 Jul 2002 02:23:37 -0700 >> >> Has anyone else try this website? I wasn't able to get anywhere with >> it. I am quite eager to take a look at the beads. > > > Hi Roscelin- > it works fine on my end, and I've tromped through the site as > well. It's possible that you got caught by the same thing a friend of > my got caught with: when the url was posted there was an extra > underscore at the beginning and at the end of the address. The one at > the beginning wasn't a problem because it was on a different line, but > the one at the end seem to travel with the url. My first try gave me a > 404 error message. I realized what probably happened and erased the > line at the end and it worked just fine. Try this: > http://www16.aname.net/~arkeodok/index.html > > > -Judy Mitchell > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 04:10:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25975 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A7s2E29499; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A7s1A26648; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6A7rnA26589 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020710075349.62468.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:53:49 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:53:49 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I have to say, the gentlemen in their coats and wigs were definitely the > spiffiest thing at the event - Huzzah! > > Jean Thanks Jean! *grins* wait till I have finished ben's coat for good and he has silver lace around the shoulders (two rows) and down the sides (two rows) and along the outside of the breeches (yet another two row) he's gonna be glow-in-the-dark-officer. hehehehe Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 04:54:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA30021 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:54:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A8c1E01495; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A8c0A06735; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A8bBA06559 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19302.; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:37:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:36:37 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6A8bBA06559 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:36:10 +0100 Status: RO Nicole, I wish I could have been there to see you all (though it was exciting singing in Beethoven's 9th in Derby Cathedral!) I spoke to a friend from our music group last night, but they seem to have spent all their spare time at the event watching another friend's American Civil War group. I'm most impressed with your hairstyle; I see you say it was a wig, but even so it must have taken a lot of skill and patience to arrange. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 05:06:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30081 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:06:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A8o1E01937; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A8o0A09466; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6A8nLA09323 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020710084921.20112.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:49:21 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:49:21 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > Nicole, I wish I could have been there to see you all (though it was > exciting singing in Beethoven's 9th in Derby Cathedral!) Wow, now that does sound exciting indeed. I spoke to a friend > from our music group last night, but they seem to have spent all their spare > time at the event watching another friend's American Civil War group. We met some from the general's musick, do you know them? The ECW dance troupe. Very nice indeed. > I'm most impressed with your hairstyle; I see you say it was a wig, but even > so it must have taken a lot of skill and patience to arrange. *GRINS* No, no, the wig is actually made into this style. Ninya arranged the fontange onto he wig and all I do is pop on the wig cum fontange like a hat. Takes 2 ticks. Derek has arranged all the long hair of the wig in a bun, where the fontange cap sits on, and the front is fastened godness how wigmakers do it, but it is very sturdy. What I alys do is send the wig(s) back to him after the season to be washed and re-set. 35 quid per wig well spent! It enhances the life of them indefinitely. I just bought a human hair wig in the same colour though, long and straight, no bangs, which I can wear 'before' my hair is dressed. :-)) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 05:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30133 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:19:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A931E02274; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A930A12435; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A92oA12374 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20984.; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:03:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:02:44 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6A92oA12374 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:02:06 +0100 Status: RO Nicole wrote: >We met some from the general's musick, do you know them? The ECW >dance troupe. >Very nice indeed. That *is* our group, though the dancers are actually an independent group, Renaissance Footnotes, who often join forces with us. We've just heard that we have been booked to appear together at the Museum of London in the New Year, which will be our most prestigious gig yet! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 05:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30258 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A9U2E03100; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A9U1A16667; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A9TrA16626 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJXD9VXCTS00TMCW@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:29:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJXD9O64B4008EHH@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:29:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:26:04 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:25:19 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.65) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:25:13 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] small towns In-reply-to: <200207091801.g69I1pA28416@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1321A370278@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:25:13 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Ah, this explains it all: to me, Dunstable is a suburb of Luton. > Just like Stopsley, where I grew up. And to get this at least > slightly back on topic, both close enough to the town centre to be > linked to the Luton hat-making industry, I think? Yep, though it was (dunno about now) still regarded a s a seperate town by the people living there and Dunstable had a reasonable rep of it's own for straw hatmaking too, at one time. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 06:14:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30355 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:14:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6A9w1E03937; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A9w1A23215; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6A9vTA23101 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 03:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p615-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.107] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17SEDv-00033C-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:57:27 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c227f8$306abf30$6bc2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020710084921.20112.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:57:22 +1200 Status: RO > *GRINS* No, no, the wig is actually made into this style. Ninya arranged the > fontange onto he wig and all I do is pop on the wig cum fontange like a hat. > Takes 2 ticks. Derek has arranged all the long hair of the wig in a bun, where > the fontange cap sits on, and the front is fastened godness how wigmakers do > it, but it is very sturdy. When I did my bit as Lady wishfort I used my own hair and merrily mocked the heck out of the style. Well Lady Wishfort is "of a certain age" and trying desperately to impress this bit of tasty crumpet and so I decided that she was overdoing the effort. I wound the front section of my hair around bobby pins and did loose ringlets at the back, pinned to the head.. and they started to fall out of place (which added to the comedy of me chasing this young man about the room). When the front section was unwound and brushed... well you could have used me to clean chimneys! I really wish I'd had photos.. I was a sight... But it was very easy to do and required no styling products thanks to the really tight curls. When we saw a production of it the next year, they seemed to have set it 50 years on in time. So yes, 1690-1710 is a very underdone era of fashion history. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 06:56:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30460 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AAe6E05325; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AAe1A03142; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AAdbA03037 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 04:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.82.1e182d22 (4534) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <82.1e182d22.2a5d68df@aol.com> Subject: Re: Flax was Re: [h-cost] Nettles To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.1e182d22.2a5d68df_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:39:27 EDT Status: RO --part1_82.1e182d22.2a5d68df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How WAS flax prepared? Any good website? How was it spun into thread? Or was > > it used as is to make very thin fabric? Does it grow around here? (here > being Montreal, Canada) As a kid, I went on a field trip in New York (USA) to a reenactment village. They let us spin our own flax. This is as much as I can remember.: Flax stalks looked like straw to me. They had a board that was maybe 8 inches wide and 1 inch thick standing upright about 3 feet high, mounted to a base. The board had a hole near the top where you put the ends of the flax strands; the rest of the flax hung along the board to be beaten with a paddle. I can't remember if the paddle was flat or spiked, but it was used to crack the hard outer shell of the plant off the soft inner fibers. Once the shells were off, you grabbed the bunch by the ends and wrapped them around a spindle. Ya held that up to about chest height and set it spinning. This gave you a loose yarn, some of which we made into bracelets as souveniers. The rest was then set on a spinning wheel to refine the yarn into thread, which was then looped onto a loom for weaving. My dictionary also says this.: "1.a. A plant of the genus Linum, esp. a widely cultivated species, L. usitatissimum, having blue flowers, seeds that yeild linseed oil, and slender stems from which a fine, light-colored textile fiber is obtained." I think the flowers were removed before spinning, as were any roots, because I only remember seeing clean pre-cut stems. Not sure where you'd get seeds, but hopefully my info was helpful. --Gillian --part1_82.1e182d22.2a5d68df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
How WAS flax prepared? Any good website? How was it spun into thread? Or was
it used as is to make very thin fabric? Does it grow around here? (here
being Montreal, Canada)


As a kid, I went on a field trip in New York (USA) to a reenactment village.  They let us spin our own flax.  This is as much as I can remember.:

Flax stalks looked like straw to me.  They had a board that was maybe 8 inches wide and 1 inch thick standing upright about 3 feet high, mounted to a base.  The board had a hole near the top where you put the ends of the flax strands; the rest of the flax hung along the board to be beaten with a paddle.  I can't remember if the paddle was flat or spiked, but it was used to crack the hard outer shell of the plant off the soft inner fibers.  Once the shells were off, you grabbed the bunch by the ends and wrapped them around a spindle.  Ya held that up to about chest height and set it spinning.  This gave you a loose yarn, some of which we made into bracelets as souveniers.  The rest was then set on a spinning wheel to refine the yarn into thread, which was then looped onto a loom for weaving.

My dictionary also says this.:

"1.a.  A plant of the genus Linum, esp. a widely cultivated species, L. usitatissimum, having blue flowers, seeds that yeild linseed oil, and slender stems from which a fine, light-colored textile fiber is obtained."

I think the flowers were removed before spinning, as were any roots, because I only remember seeing clean pre-cut stems.  Not sure where you'd get seeds, but hopefully my info was helpful.

--Gillian --part1_82.1e182d22.2a5d68df_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 07:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30567 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ABW2E07149; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ABW1A15134; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ABVTA15022 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.18e.a6993ce (4534) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:30:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <18e.a6993ce.2a5d74ee@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18e.a6993ce.2a5d74ee_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:30:54 EDT Status: RO --part1_18e.a6993ce.2a5d74ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend > That gown is TO DIE FOR!!! And that's not even my period (Elizabethan). Please tell me more about that Russian source for the black and silver brocade! --Gillian --part1_18e.a6993ce.2a5d74ee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend

That gown is TO DIE FOR!!!  And that's not even my period (Elizabethan).  Please tell me more about that Russian source for the black and silver brocade!


--Gillian
 --part1_18e.a6993ce.2a5d74ee_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 08:19:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30668 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AC11E08173; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AC10A21471; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AC0WA21324 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.136]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g6ABxl717145 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:59:47 +1000 Message-ID: <004701c22809$533b3100$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20020710084921.20112.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:59:39 +1000 Status: RO Nicole, Now this IS dedication!! I just bought a human hair wig in the same colour > though, long and straight, no bangs, which I can wear 'before' my hair is > dressed. :-)) Glenda. Can't cope with the idea of getting heatstroke over there, though - our current (winter) temps are about the same as yours is now - I don't feel the heat until about 35C, and don't really suffer until the heat is over body temp. - don't try me in the cold, though :-) Hope you're feeling better now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 08:19:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30672 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:19:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AC19E08191; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AC19A21520; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AC0wA21459 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a262.in-tch.com [66.62.107.62]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6ABlHP29327 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 05:47:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2C234E.CFD2C564@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend References: <20020710075349.62468.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:06:38 -0600 Status: RO He almost is, already, with the scarlet of that coat! You guys look *great*! Besides enjoying how great Ben looks (what is it about good clothes and long hair on men...yum, yum ), I also drooled at your fabric (for the mantua? some sort of grey and silver brocade?), and your description of all the places you used to acquire bits of your outfits....I sure wish I had some of your resources! About the event at which these photos were taken...was this an event wholey dedicated to just this time period? or one of those mass events I hear about, with a whole bunch of different time periods and encampments? Were you doing it purely for yourselves, or were you also available to the public? (my group pretty much does it for the former reason, but I've heard of groups that do it for the latter...) --Sue, up early so she can work on her eternal (darned near "infernal") blackwork project, and think about the early period Norse outfit she's planning (*sigh*....so many centuries, so little time.....;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I have to say, the > gentlemen in their coats and wigs were definitely the > > spiffiest thing at the event - Huzzah! > > > > Jean > > Thanks Jean! *grins* wait till I have finished ben's coat for good and he has > silver lace around the shoulders (two rows) and down the sides (two rows) and > along the outside of the breeches (yet another two row) he's gonna be > glow-in-the-dark-officer. > hehehehe > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 09:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30874 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ACn1E09895; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ACn0A03557; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ACmxA03544 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:48:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KJXK8M390W00ABMZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:48:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KJXK8J051M00C2E1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:48:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:45:09 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:44:38 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.65) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:44:31 +0000 From: Teddy To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1356CAA6636@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: Intro on h-cost.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Hi Julie, Welcome to h-costume! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 09:35:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30956 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ADJ1E11277; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ADJ0A11691; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:19:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6ADIWA11552 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020710131831.12738.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:18:31 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D2C234E.CFD2C564@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:18:31 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > He almost is, already, with the scarlet of that coat! actually, not kidding, he does kinda glow, we walked back to the tents from the beertent and I thought he was rather visible. :-) > You guys look *great*! Besides enjoying how great Ben looks (what is it > about good clothes and long hair on men...yum, yum ), hehe, he really does have long hair underneath the wig. I also drooled > at your fabric (for the mantua? some sort of grey and silver brocade?), black silk and silver thread, it looks greyish in the photos but is actually silver. > and your description of all the places you used to acquire bits of your > outfits....I sure wish I had some of your resources! oh, most of it is online! only a small amount of things comes from the UK. > About the event at which these photos were taken...was this an event > wholey dedicated to just this time period? or one of those mass events I > hear about, with a whole bunch of different time periods and > encampments? It was a multi-period event, which are my favourites. Hundreds of re-enactors of almost all time periods, fantastic. This year for the first time we had Greek hoplites! Were you doing it purely for yourselves, or were you also > available to the public? (my group pretty much does it for the former > reason, but I've heard of groups that do it for the latter...) actually, 'classic' re-enactors work for the public. people who don't aren't seen as re-enactors but as people who like costumes. (waits to get stick for that now, but it's true!) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 09:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31067 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:53:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ADb1E12458; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ADb0A18053; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6ADa3A17742 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020710133602.99129.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:36:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004701c22809$533b3100$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:36:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > > Can't cope with the idea of getting heatstroke over there, though - our > current (winter) temps are about the same as yours is now - I don't feel > the heat until about 35C, and don't really suffer until the heat is over > body temp. - don't try me in the cold, though :-) Hope you're feeling better > now. *laughs* I think I would die iver at your place. I hate heat, hate it with a deep vengeance. My skin is white, my eyes are pale, my organism needs several liters of water, my brain doesn't function when it's too warm, and my ancestors come from Russia. 20 celsius and a gentle breeze under a sunny sky, that is perfect for costumes! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 09:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31079 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:59:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ADh1E12754; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ADh0A19713; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ADgNA19511 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Inkie1@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.19e.4fcfd6a (3866) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Inkie1@aol.com Message-ID: <19e.4fcfd6a.2a5d93b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] aurora bleacheries - help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:42:11 EDT Status: RO I'm one of those people "lurking" in the background, enjoying all the information and glad to be able to offer some in return. We used to live in Chicago area, and are now in St. Louis area, so I've used the Aurora Bleachery, but not recently. Their new name is Aurora Textile Finishing, and the old telphone number is still good: (630)-892-7651. I called, and a recording says the remnant shop is open Monday through Friday, 9 to 2:30. The recording gives directions from I-88 (East-West Tollroad): exit at Route 31 (Lake St.) south to Aurora, go 5 stop lights, turn left onto service road. From there the directions get complicated, so I assume they are still in the old location, but the little access road has changed due to construction. I suggest you call them for complete directions. For those who are not familiar with the Aurora Bleachery, they sell cotton and cotton blend remnants by weight, of whatever fabrics they are finishing, from a small area within their plant. I used to buy white, black and unbleached muslin from them for making shirts. As far as I know, they only sell if you go to the plant. Hope this helps. Carol Inkpen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 10:15:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31169 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ADx1E13787; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ADx1A25023; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ADwWA24837 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m159.in-tch.com [216.166.191.159]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6ADipP00564 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2C3EDC.7FF27F14@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend References: <20020710133602.99129.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:04:12 -0600 Status: RO *snort* You sound like me! Except that my ancestors came from Britain and Ireland , and I have the fair (freckled/pink) skin and blue eyes to show for it, although I'm brown-haired. I've learned to deal with the extreme temperatures in my part of the world (Montana in the U.S., not Australia), but I completely *loathe* heat, and I sunburn very badly unless I'm careful. I'm at my best, mentally and physically, when it's in the 60s and low 70s (farenheit, not sure of celsius equivalent). Made me wonder, more than once, how much of heat/cold tolerance is acquired (i.e., just a matter of what you're used to), and how much of it may be inherited in some way. --Sue N Kipar wrote: > > --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > > > > Can't cope with the idea of getting heatstroke over there, though - our > > current (winter) temps are about the same as yours is now - I don't feel > > the heat until about 35C, and don't really suffer until the heat is over > > body temp. - don't try me in the cold, though :-) Hope you're feeling better > > now. > > *laughs* I think I would die iver at your place. I hate heat, hate it with a > deep vengeance. My skin is white, my eyes are pale, my organism needs several > liters of water, my brain doesn't function when it's too warm, and my ancestors > come from Russia. > > 20 celsius and a gentle breeze under a sunny sky, that is perfect for costumes! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 10:39:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31282 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AEN2E15397; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AEN1A04754; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WDNE2K.mackie.com ([12.144.236.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AEMuA04706 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:22:56 -0600 (MDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2281D.28BD1C40" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Picture of Sleeveless Italian Chemise Thread-Index: AcInzTqKEDT/RJTxRrOK4OhSXyxPygATsZgg From: "Colleen McDonald" To: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 07:22:02 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2281D.28BD1C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nancy wrote:=20 << Remind me please, what exactly are you trying to document the = sleeveless chemise for? >> =20 I'm gearing up to enter a complete Italian outfit (around 1350-1365, = Florence) in a big competition next March, something along the lines of = the purple dress in the Last Judgment (Nardo di Cione, Santa Maria = Novella, 1350). I want to have everything as documented as possible = (well, and still finish on time). I'm starting with the chemise and = working from the skin out. =20 =20 Here's a link to the picture: = http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/n/nardo/index.html. =20 I'm also working to learn tablet/card weaving to recreate the trim on = the neck line and wrists of the garment. =20 I've completed a more generic 14th century Italian dress for a previous = competition at a lower level, so now I'm refining my research. =20 Thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions so far! =20 Colleen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2281D.28BD1C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nancy=20 wrote: 
<< Remind=20 me please, what exactly are you trying to document the sleeveless = chemise=20 for? >>
 
I'm gearing up to enter a complete Italian = outfit=20 (around 1350-1365, Florence) in a big competition next March, something = along=20 the lines of the purple dress in the Last Judgment (Nardo di Cione, = Santa Maria=20 Novella, 1350).  I want to have everything as documented as = possible (well,=20 and still finish on time).  I'm starting with the chemise and = working from=20 the skin out. 
 
Here's a link to the picture: http://www.kfk= i.hu/~arthp/html/n/nardo/index.html.
 
I'm also working to learn tablet/card weaving = to=20 recreate the trim on the neck line and wrists of the=20 garment.
 
I've completed a more generic 14th century = Italian=20 dress for a previous competition at a lower level, so now I'm refining = my=20 research.
 
Thanks to everyone for the help and = suggestions so=20 far!
 
Colleen
------_=_NextPart_001_01C2281D.28BD1C40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 12:46:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00735 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:46:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AGT3E27837; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGT1A12315; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGSdA12095 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.142] (pm5-142.eos.net [205.133.149.142]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13880 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:28:37 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207091801.g69I1lA28371@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] devonshire tapestries Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:28:39 -0400 Status: RO Dear all-knowing List: For some reason my internet service isn't connecting today, but my email is. Does anyone know an on-line source for pictures of the "Devonshire Tapestries"? A friend is looking and I can't search. They are a set of tapestries, apparently, with hunting scenes. A color print source would be good, too. She has seen only a B&W of one of the panels? tapestries? figures? She is particularly interested in a figure of a falconer, but she would like to see any and all. I thought someone here might know. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 12:57:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00994 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AGf1E29343; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGf0A19346; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGe9A18935 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCkf+DnFv+/421mbkRL7jkQZ1inVE//2zLA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7DC8KAA; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:38:15 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] devonshire tapestries Message-ID: <20020710.113611.-563463.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-12,14-37 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:36:11 -0500 Status: RO The Devonshire Tapestries are huge wall hangings which are in the Victoria and Albert in London. The figures are mostly life size. I have several slides of the tapestries which I got at the V&A for research purposes. If you can contact the museum, they may still have them available. The figures have wonderful clothing, some of which I suspect is a bit fantastical, but the more bucolic figures seem to be more realistic. I don't know of a good print source, that's why I got the slides! Karen On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:28:39 -0400 Gail & Scott Finke writes: > > Dear all-knowing List: > > For some reason my internet service isn't connecting today, but my > email is. > Does anyone know an on-line source for pictures of the "Devonshire > Tapestries"? A friend is looking and I can't search. They are a set > of > tapestries, apparently, with hunting scenes. A color print source > would be > good, too. She has seen only a B&W of one of the panels? > tapestries? > figures? She is particularly interested in a figure of a falconer, > but she > would like to see any and all. I thought someone here might know. > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 13:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01305 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AGu2E03022; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGu1A29605; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AGtqA29509 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08377 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:19:53 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] devonshire tapestries In-Reply-To: <20020710.113611.-563463.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:19:53 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > The Devonshire Tapestries are huge wall hangings which are in the > Victoria and Albert in London. The figures are mostly life size. I > have several slides of the tapestries which I got at the V&A for > research purposes. If you can contact the museum, they may still have > them available. The figures have wonderful clothing, some of which I > suspect is a bit fantastical, but the more bucolic figures seem to be > more realistic. I don't know of a good print source, that's why I got > the slides! The good print source is this: _The Devonshire Hunting Tapestries_, by George Wingfield Digby. London: Victoria & Albert Museum, 1971. It's hardback, about 12x12, with full foldouts of all four tapestries, closeups (some in color) of interesting details, and LOTS of good analysis. Be sure to read the text. It's important to know that the tapestries were not originally made as a set, but were combined to form a set, and the dates on them differ. That means you can't safely mix and match details from the indiscriminately. Also, because this style of tapestry was practically mass-produced in workshops (which often recombined pieces of cartoons of different dates) and because these particular ones have undergone some alterations, there are other dating problems. I am dead certain, for instance, that one figure (wearing a princess-seamed dress on her overgown, a flounced hem on her undergown, and a partlet!) was a later repair or addition. There are many such anomalies in the tapestries, and it's worth reading the analysis to sort some of it out. I would not recommend the costume analysis section, however. I'd guess the book is available ILL. I was at the V&A in the early 80s when it was still on sale. It cost me about $10. I should have bought the whole stack. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 13:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02324 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:55:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AHd8E07683; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AHd5A25161; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AHc9A24530 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g6AHdNb59781 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207101739.g6AHdNb59781@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book In-Reply-To: "from Audrey Bergeron-Morin at Jul 10, 2002 02:09:47 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO thanks for the info! who did you email to get the book? I emailed their "info" address but I wasn't sure if it was the right one. > > I found it at, of all places, the Kyoto Costume Institute website. They > > have it listed in their catalog, and I just emailed the contact person, > > received a reply within 24 hours, and here I am, two weeks later with the > > book. The best part, it cost just $30, and that included shipping from > > Kyoto! They said the only way they can ship it is C.O.D, which is a bit of > > a pain because I had to wait here for the delivery, but it was so worth > it! > > > > Here's the address for the catalog > > page: http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/catalogue.cgi?lang=e > > If I was able to purchase it, I'm sure anyone else who wants a copy will > be > > able to, too! > > Oh, wow, THANKS!! Btw, there's one copy on ebay now, but last time I checked > it was up to 92$ - and they don't ship to Canada :-) Your way is MUCH > better!!! > > The worst thing is, I went to their website yesterday night, saw the video > of the same name, didn't see the book... ehehe :-) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 14:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03583 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:52:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AIa3E13177; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AIa1A26764; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AIYVA25972 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SMII-000CKz-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:34:30 +0100 Message-ID: <+i$hDJDQwHL9Iw4B@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend References: <20020710075349.62468.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020710075349.62468.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:25:20 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I have to say, the >gentlemen in their coats and wigs were definitely the >> spiffiest thing at the event - Huzzah! >> >> Jean > >Thanks Jean! *grins* wait till I have finished ben's coat for good and he has >silver lace around the shoulders (two rows) and down the sides (two rows) and >along the outside of the breeches (yet another two row) he's gonna be >glow-in-the-dark-officer. >hehehehe > >Nicole > We'll have to match him with someone in a tansy-dyed surcoat and see who glows best! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 16:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04485 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:47:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AKV3E24063; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AKV0A02490; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:31:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe48.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.20]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AKUrA02399 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:30:48 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <82.1e182d22.2a5d68df@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 20:30:48.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACCA29A0:01C22850] Subject: [h-cost] EBay? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:31:34 -0400 Status: RO Hi, Those of you who regularly sell on EBay, could you give me your IDs so I can take a look once in a while? Also, if you have AMAZING merchants you would love other people to buy from, I'd take a look... Thanks! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 17:17:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04614 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:17:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AL12E27101; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AL11A19915; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AKxvA19263 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:59:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from www2.prodigy.net (www2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.61.49]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6AKxum16852 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:59:56 -0400 To: "H-Costume" Message-Id: From: "Angela F. Lazear" Subject: [h-cost] Testing new address/ot Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:59:56 -0500 Status: RO Dear List After some confusion and missteps, I have unsubbed as "mzscahlett" and resubbed under this email. This is a test to see if I've done it all properly. Sorry for the misuse of bandwidth, but I just had to be sure I hadn't lost y'all forever. angela Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design www.cabbagerosecostumes.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 17:28:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04655 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:28:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ALC3E28361; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ALC0A26812; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ALBnA26740 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.179] ([24.52.227.179]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GZ1XJI00.9DX for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:11:42 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D2C3EDC.7FF27F14@in-tch.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:11:41 -0400 Status: RO can i add a most enthusiastic "me too"? i'm of dutch/english/scottish descent on my mom's side and french-canadian/indian (wyandot) on my father's. blue eyes, brown hair and freckles. can't do heat for nothin'. humidity is even worse. as my hair gets bigger, so do the complaints:) right now i'm preparing for our big yearly event in the sca (pennsic war) and i'm working through a large pile of linen. we're hoping (as we do every year) that it'll be a cool war. we'll see. laurie > *snort* You sound like me! Except that my ancestors came from Britain > and Ireland , and I have the fair (freckled/pink) skin and blue > eyes to show for it, although I'm brown-haired. I've learned to deal > with the extreme temperatures in my part of the world (Montana in the > U.S., not Australia), but I completely *loathe* heat, and I sunburn very > badly unless I'm careful. I'm at my best, mentally and physically, when > it's in the 60s and low 70s (farenheit, not sure of celsius > equivalent). Made me wonder, more than once, how much of heat/cold > tolerance is acquired (i.e., just a matter of what you're used to), and > how much of it may be inherited in some way. > --Sue > > N Kipar wrote: >> >> --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > >> >>> Can't cope with the idea of getting heatstroke over there, though - our >>> current (winter) temps are about the same as yours is now - I don't feel >>> the heat until about 35C, and don't really suffer until the heat is over >>> body temp. - don't try me in the cold, though :-) Hope you're feeling better >>> now. >> >> *laughs* I think I would die iver at your place. I hate heat, hate it with a >> deep vengeance. My skin is white, my eyes are pale, my organism needs several >> liters of water, my brain doesn't function when it's too warm, and my >> ancestors >> come from Russia. >> >> 20 celsius and a gentle breeze under a sunny sky, that is perfect for >> costumes! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 18:05:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04917 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:05:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ALn2E03452; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ALn1A19529; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ALmOA19129 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ100GO9Z8MD4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] EBay? In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020710135157.00cc2480@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <82.1e182d22.2a5d68df@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:02:24 -0700 Status: RO >Those of you who regularly sell on EBay, could you give me your IDs so I can >take a look once in a while? >Also, if you have AMAZING merchants you would love other people to buy from, >I'd take a look... Yes. It seems perfectly on-topic to post this sort of info. I have just begun to browse e-bay regularly, and even bought something a couple of days ago (some lace bits the dealer called 'costume accessories'). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 18:44:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05755 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AMS2E09050; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AMS0A12911; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:28:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AMR8A12448 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A55242501F8; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:29:38 -0500 Message-ID: <013c01c22860$f2b64c40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing new address/ot X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:27:16 -0400 Status: RO I see you Angela! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F. Lazear" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Testing new address/ot > Dear List > > After some confusion and missteps, I have unsubbed > as "mzscahlett" and resubbed under this email. This > is a test to see if I've done it all properly. Sorry > for the misuse of bandwidth, but I just had to be sure > I hadn't lost y'all forever. > > angela > Cabbage Rose Costumes > Theatrical Costume Design > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06303 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:12:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AMu1E13207; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AMu0A28711; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AMtpA28617 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AC0D89701C4; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:58:21 -0500 Message-ID: <016e01c22864$f4976b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Costume Trivia Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:55:57 -0400 Status: RO This past week I have run across some costume trivia that I thought I'd share... >From a 1923 Lane Bryant catalog: Ladies coats with fur collars and cuffs made from possum or dyed skunk (you get a choice of either fur). Make you think of the cartoon with Peppy la Pew following the lady with the black and white stole! LOL! >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. Now I have a trivial question... I am working on fashion designers of the 1920s. I keep coming across a designer named Madeleine & Madeleine from 1920-1925. I have searched my books and all I can find are design illustrations but no history of the designer. Could this be Vionnet? Whoever it is, is a Paris design house. I know Vionnet opened her design house in 1912. But did she go under the name Vionnet then? Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:24:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06556 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:24:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6AN81E14847; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AN80A05013; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:08:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AN73A04550 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Kitsune242@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.49.202a624a (16087) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-d04.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.68]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-0710190654; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:06:54 -0400 From: kitsune242@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <7E7F24B0.772028DA.0F933E1F@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:07:00 -0400 Status: RO Greetings All! I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while you have been costuming? Have your spending habits gone up or down? Also, your fabric choices; better, worse? For me, although my fabric choices have gotten "better" (for the most part) I have gotten cheaper. For example: I will find a beautiful fine linen, but am no longer willing to spend $15.00 a yard on it. (And I started shopping in the LA Garment District.) Thanks in advance for indulging my curiosity. I am looking forward to the responses. Kit _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:51:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07169 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:51:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ANZFE16779; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANZEA16056; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANYOA15721 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.46.64]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020710233417.CLAP5870.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:34:17 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710112312.00a35840@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book In-Reply-To: <200207101801.g6AI1fA07751@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:26:13 -0700 Status: RO I just emailed the info address. It looks weird, but they answered within a day or so. The book IS there, I just looked. It's listed at 2200 yen, which is about $22. There's also a video, which is 15000 yen. That's too steep for me, that's $150!! At 11:01 AM 7/10/2002, you wrote:Message: 10 >From: Heather Meadows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >thanks for the info! who did you email to get the book? I emailed >their "info" address but I wasn't sure if it was the right one. > > > > > I found it at, of all places, the Kyoto Costume Institute website. They > > > have it listed in their catalog, and I just emailed the contact person, > > > received a reply within 24 hours, and here I am, two weeks later with the > > > book. The best part, it cost just $30, and that included shipping from > > > Kyoto! They said the only way they can ship it is C.O.D, which is a > bit of > > > a pain because I had to wait here for the delivery, but it was so worth > > it! > > > > > > Here's the address for the catalog > > > page: http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/catalogue.cgi?lang=e > > > If I was able to purchase it, I'm sure anyone else who wants a copy will > > be > > > able to, too! > > > > Oh, wow, THANKS!! Btw, there's one copy on ebay now, but last time I > checked > > it was up to 92$ - and they don't ship to Canada :-) Your way is MUCH > > better!!! > > > > The worst thing is, I went to their website yesterday night, saw the video > > of the same name, didn't see the book... ehehe :-) > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >End of h-costume Digest _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07187 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:52:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ANZ2E16745; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANZ0A15958; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANYKA15689 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-44-153.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.44.153]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6ANYJ4279030 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:34:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c2286a$b6e1a200$992caf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <013c01c22860$f2b64c40$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing new address/funny story ot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:37:11 -0700 Status: RO You all have to laugh at me. Late last night, I added cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net as my new email. Then I promptly lost the paper with my "oh so clever" password on it. Then I spent all morning trying to hack into my confirmation of resubbing to the list (in this total panic that I had cut myself off from you forever)... Result: couldn't do it and had to add another form of cabbage_rose. Now I have two emails, but this time I've protected myself. Not only did I print the dang password I select remember it so the computer will know it at home AND then I happily confirm my re-subscription. Am I home free? No, I'm such an idiot I promptly hid "add to block" and put h-costume in the spam bucket. Frantically.... I search for the way to undo this drastic and nefarious deed ... Heart racing... blood pounding... I hastily attempt to undo this error. Have I again sent H-costume into the nightmare world of silence? Will I ever hear from corset makers and ruff experts EVER again? Is the world of lovely seams and pretty fabrics forever gone?.... Okay, a bit dramatic, but I was freaking out. This was my third sub, and I had messed it up again. (I forgot I accidentally subbed to my work addy cause I was really tired this morning, but I just didn't confirm that one)... So then, I get it back, I undo the dreaded "this is spam" block on the h-costume email and reload the page... only to discover I had reblocked it! Needless to say, if you're all getting this, it's fixed. Holey Moley what a day. See what you've done? I'm reduced to jello at the thought of going cold h-costume-less turkey for a mere two hours... I think I was momentarily possessed by the spirit of one of Teddy's misadventures. Happy to have found my rather roundabout way home. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Testing new address/ot > I see you Angela! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela F. Lazear" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:59 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Testing new address/ot > > > > Dear List > > > > After some confusion and missteps, I have unsubbed > > as "mzscahlett" and resubbed under this email. This > > is a test to see if I've done it all properly. Sorry > > for the misuse of bandwidth, but I just had to be sure > > I hadn't lost y'all forever. > > > > angela > > Cabbage Rose Costumes > > Theatrical Costume Design > > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07234 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:54:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ANb1E16893; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANb0A16831; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANaQA16577 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:36:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g6ANbnT62949 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207102337.g6ANbnT62949@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710112312.00a35840@postoffice.att.net> "from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net at Jul 10, 2002 11:26:13 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO ok -- I haven't heard back from them yet, but at least I know it was the right address. > I just emailed the info address. It looks weird, but they answered within a > day or so. > > The book IS there, I just looked. It's listed at 2200 yen, which is about > $22. There's also a video, which is 15000 yen. That's too steep for me, > that's $150!! > > At 11:01 AM 7/10/2002, you wrote:Message: 10 > >From: Heather Meadows > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book > >To: h-costume@indra.com > >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) > >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >thanks for the info! who did you email to get the book? I emailed > >their "info" address but I wasn't sure if it was the right one. > > > > > > > > I found it at, of all places, the Kyoto Costume Institute website. They > > > > have it listed in their catalog, and I just emailed the contact person, > > > > received a reply within 24 hours, and here I am, two weeks later with the > > > > book. The best part, it cost just $30, and that included shipping from > > > > Kyoto! They said the only way they can ship it is C.O.D, which is a > > bit of > > > > a pain because I had to wait here for the delivery, but it was so worth > > > it! > > > > > > > > Here's the address for the catalog > > > > page: http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/catalogue.cgi?lang=e > > > > If I was able to purchase it, I'm sure anyone else who wants a copy will > > > be > > > > able to, too! > > > > > > Oh, wow, THANKS!! Btw, there's one copy on ebay now, but last time I > > checked > > > it was up to 92$ - and they don't ship to Canada :-) Your way is MUCH > > > better!!! > > > > > > The worst thing is, I went to their website yesterday night, saw the video > > > of the same name, didn't see the book... ehehe :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > > >--__--__-- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > >End of h-costume Digest > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:57:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07302 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:57:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ANf2E17199; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANf0A18464; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANemA18377 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ200F114FYB0@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia In-reply-to: <016e01c22864$f4976b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020710162154.00c49340@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:24:58 -0700 Status: RO > >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: >Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow >dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. Every single Western boomtown, in every state and territory, in Canada and the US, in every year? I find that amount of co-operation and co-ordination, in a time of no mass media other than a telegraph (when they even had that), unbelievable. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 19:57:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07315 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:57:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ANfRE17238; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANfQA18667; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANemA18387 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ200F114FYB0@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-reply-to: <7E7F24B0.772028DA.0F933E1F@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020710162520.00ccd9d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:40:39 -0700 Status: RO >Have your spending habits gone up or down? Down. I have a lot less money than when I was married. > Also, your fabric choices; better, worse? Better in several ways: I no longer cruise fabric stores (or thrift stores) just to see what's there. That got me in a lot of trouble, storage-space-wise and financially. Much of that impulse stuff got given away when, for example, I stopped thinking I was going to get into quilting. Many boxes of calico went. I can tell the difference between natural and synthetic now, when a few years ago I couldn't do this very well, so now, when I do buy, I buy more silk, real linen, etc. than before. I try not to buy something just because I can think of a use for it, a big change from my young and married days, when I would buy anything that was pretty or that I could think of a use for. Some of that fabric is my current stash, and some got given away. These days I only buy fabric for specific purposes, or costumes when I have some event to wear it to. I shop more sales, outlets, and thrift stores than I used to, and make myself do entire outfits from fabric I already have, as much as possible. Time to use up that stash. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 20:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07475 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ANm1E17633; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANm0A21490; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ANlYA21315 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:47:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA04569 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200207110007.RAA04569@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: > >Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow > >dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. > > Every single Western boomtown, in every state and territory, in Canada and > the US, in every year? I find that amount of co-operation and > co-ordination, in a time of no mass media other than a telegraph (when they > even had that), unbelievable. Agreed. I think someone misunderstood "yellow rose of texas." A yellow gal or yellow girl was a creole, half-black. They were often free women, but that didn't mean they had much money. In many places, yellow gals made up most of the whorehouse "stable." This seems to have been concatinated with the commonly repeated factoid that whores in classical rome wore yellow veils. I call this a factoid because I've also heard it said about Byzantium and various renaissance period italian city-states. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 20:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08162 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B0M1E19618; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B0M0A03147; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B0LfA03004 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:21:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbraKat@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.184.ae22268 (657) for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbraKat@aol.com Message-ID: <184.ae22268.2a5e298d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:21:33 EDT Status: RO Kayta's experiences echo my own :) I used to spend a lot more $$--- and shop a lot less wisely----as well as buy things I did'nt have a specific use for --JUST because it was gorgeous and/or a good buy or it would make a TERRIFIC (fill in the blank). Can't afford to do that stuff anymore. Knowledge and experience has taught me to shop much more wisely for more quality stuff---and buy only what I have a specific use for in the VERY near future:) Cheers and Best--- Albra/Kathryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 20:57:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08212 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B0f1E20780; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B0f0A08954; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B0eZA08812 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:40:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A4971380218; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:43:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01b401c22873$8d9e3120$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <200207110007.RAA04569@gw.retro.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:40:27 -0400 Status: RO Wait... I didn't say every boomtown. I sent a message to our instructor, Marna Jean and have her come on the list and explain this one. Hang in there... hopefully she will come on tonight. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 20:58:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08222 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:58:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B0h1E20912; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B0h1A09632; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx12.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B0gZA09483 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx12.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 43535547 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01c22873$a1a217e0$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <7E7F24B0.772028DA.0F933E1F@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:41:00 -0500 Status: RO Oh, my choices have definitely become more refined - I REALLY try to keep to 100% natural. But I do really try to keep the prices down - watch those sales! Actually, one of my favorite places is Vogue Fabrics in Evanston. If you dig through their remant section, you can often find 2 or 3 pieces of the same fabric for about 1/2 the price off the bolt! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Prices > Greetings All! > > I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while you have been costuming? Have your spending habits gone up or down? Also, your fabric choices; better, worse? > > For me, although my fabric choices have gotten "better" (for the most part) I have gotten cheaper. For example: I will find a beautiful fine linen, but am no longer willing to spend $15.00 a yard on it. (And I started shopping in the LA Garment District.) > > Thanks in advance for indulging my curiosity. I am looking forward to the responses. > Kit > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 21:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08379 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B151E21965; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B151A16227; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B14fA16073 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip177.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.177]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6B14bV5008207 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200207110104.g6B14bV5008207@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend In-Reply-To: <20020709203353.81358.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:01:37 -0400 Status: RO At 09:33 PM 7/9/2002 +0100, you wrote: > --- Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > A friend of mine has put in >a request for pictures of enlisted personnel, >> too . >> >> -- Mara > >personnel? *grins* red- or blackhaired? > >Nicole Um... yes? -- Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 21:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08448 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B1Z2E23204; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B1Z1A24866; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6B1Y9A24632 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:34:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24821 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 01:34:10 -0000 Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.27) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 01:34:10 -0000 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.47.20]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:34:05 -0500 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C22859.822776E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume College Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:33:59 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C22859.822776E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message: 14 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:41:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume College Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com We're going to Costume College as well. We're teaching a class on Trims on Saturday at 1 pm, and a limited attendance workshop on creating headpieces and headdresses (mostly Fantasy oriented, but...) late Sunday afternoon. I at least will try to remember to put a red H on my badge. If you're going to the gala Saturday night, I will be in bright orange and yellow, and Pierre will be in black and silver gray. Sandy - I will be attending this class, and look forward to seeing you there! I will also be at the gala, in a green "mock Fortuny" and whatever else I find to go with it. - I am saving these emails and will work up a list of nametags to look for! - Allison ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C22859.822776E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Costume College

Message: 14
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:41:48 -0500
To: h-costume@indra.com
From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger = <costumrs@radiks.net>
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume College
Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com

We're going to Costume College as well.  We're = teaching a class on Trims on
Saturday at 1 pm, and a limited attendance workshop = on creating headpieces
and headdresses (mostly Fantasy oriented, but...) = late Sunday afternoon.  I
at least will try to remember to put a red H on my = badge.  If you're going
to the gala Saturday night, I will be in bright = orange and yellow, and
Pierre will be in black and silver gray.

Sandy


        =         - I will be = attending this class, and look forward to seeing you there! I will also = be at the gala, in a green "mock Fortuny" and whatever else I = find to go with it.

        =         - I am saving = these emails and will work up a list of nametags to look for!

        =         - = Allison

------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C22859.822776E0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 22:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09082 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:24:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B282E24588; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B281A03340; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6B27pA03284 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:07:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020711020750.48402.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.100.161.174] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:07:50 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] EBay? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: > Hi, > Those of you who regularly sell on EBay, could you give me your IDs > so I can > take a look once in a while? > Also, if you have AMAZING merchants you would love other people to > buy from, > I'd take a look... > Thanks! > Audrey I have an eBay "storefront" at http://www.stores.ebay.com/darkthreadsdesigns, and I use the id darkthreads. I was hoping to use it to sell a wider range of costume items, but only the belly dance gear and sewing patterns have really taken off. ===== Megan Irvine http://www.darkthreads.com Personal log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com "No ship will ever take you away from yourself."--Constantine Cavafy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 23:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10419 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:04:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B2m2E26378; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B2m0A14065; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B2lJA13882 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2244.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.244]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11363 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:46:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2CF048.5AEDE7AD@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of weeds.... References: <3D29956D.3D4F04A7@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:41:13 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. Sue, I have tansy all over the place, as well as false indigo. We haven't used it as dye yet (but we will try it), but it a great strewing herb to keep away flies (the tansy, that is). We cut it in season (which, coincidentally, falls within fly season) and hang up bundles in the shop. It is easy to see why our ancestors found so many coincidences in nature (the abovementioned, as well as dockweed growing in close proximity to nettle, etc), and attributed them to an overall system that, although eventually found to be false, nevertheless evidences a strong correlation between ourselves and nature. Speaking of natural dyes, I constantly amaze folks with the display pieces we have at our historic site which, although over 10 years old, still maintain their vivid colors. Aside from stylistic preferences and financial considerations, I have found that, prior to modern chemical dyeing, there was a great deal of color that could be gotten from natural dyes. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 23:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10531 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:09:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B2r1E26570; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B2r1A15485; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f273.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B2qIA15257 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:52:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:52:13 -0700 Received: from 64.123.15.26 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:52:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.123.15.26] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 02:52:13.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[F54D23F0:01C22885] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:52:12 +0000 Status: RO I haven't really gotten cheaper - I've always enjoyed the bargain find. But the amount of fabric I buy has gone up. By that I mean the yardage has gone up. Where I used to only buy at most three yards, I now only have a few pieces that small. As for better choices - I've cetainly gone more natural. I use linen a LOT more often now. Both for "costume" and for modern clothes. But then I DO live in Texas and can't handle heat... Mary/Katerine >Greetings All! > >I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while >you have been costuming? Have your spending habits gone up or down? Also, >your fabric choices; better, worse? > >For me, although my fabric choices have gotten "better" (for the most part) >I have gotten cheaper. For example: I will find a beautiful fine linen, >but am no longer willing to spend $15.00 a yard on it. (And I started >shopping in the LA Garment District.) > >Thanks in advance for indulging my curiosity. I am looking forward to the >responses. >Kit >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 23:17:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10692 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B311E27004; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B311A17511; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B30wA17485 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip185.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.185]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6B30ro27445 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of weeds.... Message-ID: <3D2C9456.19.158B6CB8@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D2CF048.5AEDE7AD@dandy.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:08:54 -0700 Status: RO > Hi, All. Sue, I have tansy all over the place, as well as false > indigo. One of the problems in the US is that there are two kinds of tansy. There is tansy ragwort which is a noxious weed (because it kills cattle) and there is true tansy, which works well for dyeing. It's too bad that so many different plants have names which are similar or the same. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 23:32:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11045 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B3G1E27896; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B3G1A21695; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B3FDA21406 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2244.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.244]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13621 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2CF6B4.826FCDCA@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? References: <200207091352.g69DqFF07658@bart.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:08:36 -0400 Status: RO Hi. You might want to consider Augsburg, about 45 min. west of Munich. It has the oldest intact stained glass windows in Europe in the cathedral, a Roman museum, the Fuggerei (homes built for the poor in the 16th cent.), a nice art museum with many famous paintings, and a lot of history in and around the area. Also Rothenburg, a little north, is an intact Medieval/ Renaissance walled town and Coburg has a nice armor collection and an art museum, too, I think. Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 10 23:53:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11508 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:53:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B3c1E28945; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B3c0A27944; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B3bUA27766 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downward ([206.170.3.209]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GZ200149FEC5R@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Downward Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <025401c2288c$46e15460$d103aace@downward> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200207080047.g680l4v36186@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:37:25 -0700 Status: RO Me too. LynnD (Oakland, CA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College? > I'll be there as well! > > .heather. > > > > Costume College (http://www.costumecollege.org/) happens every year in Van > > Nuys, Calif. (near LA). It's a weekend of costume classes (both lecture and > > hands-on workshops) which is quite fabulous! > > > > Allison, I'll be there Sat. & Sun. and would be happy to meet up! Maybe we > > can have an h-costume lunch? > > > > - Kendra > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 00:44:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12564 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B4S2E01531; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B4S1A11579; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe44.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.16]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B4RPA11418 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:27:20 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: References: <200207102337.g6ANbnT62949@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Intro and Revolution In Fashion book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 04:27:20.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F2A1020:01C22893] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:28:08 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" > ok -- I haven't heard back from them yet, but at least I know it was the right > address. If you do hear from them, let me know, they haven't answered yet either. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 01:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13047 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B4p1E02482; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B4p0A17170; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B4oXA17085 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:50:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a21.in-tch.com [66.62.107.1]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6B4aTP16315 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2D0FD8.DCDE083B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend References: <20020710075349.62468.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <+i$hDJDQwHL9Iw4B@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:55:52 -0600 Status: RO Is that *with* an iron afterbath, or *without?* --sue, completely enamored of tansy-dyed wool..... Jean Waddie wrote: > > N Kipar wrote > > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I have to say, the > >gentlemen in their coats and wigs were definitely the > >> spiffiest thing at the event - Huzzah! > >> > >> Jean > > > >Thanks Jean! *grins* wait till I have finished ben's coat for good and he has > >silver lace around the shoulders (two rows) and down the sides (two rows) and > >along the outside of the breeches (yet another two row) he's gonna be > >glow-in-the-dark-officer. > >hehehehe > > > >Nicole > > > We'll have to match him with someone in a tansy-dyed surcoat and see who > glows best! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 04:46:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27372 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 04:46:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B8U4E10799; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B8U1A07536; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B8TLA07357 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 02:29:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6B8THt28806; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:29:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207110829.g6B8THt28806@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:29:17 BST Status: RO Leigh Tartaglio wrote : > Hi. You might want to consider Augsburg, about 45 min. west of Munich. It has > the oldest intact stained glass windows in Europe in the cathedral, a Roman > museum, the Fuggerei (homes built for the poor in the 16th cent.), a nice art > museum > with many famous paintings, and a lot of history in and around the area. Sounds good! http://www.hhog.de/augsburg/history.htm and looks good! Thanks, we'll try that. > Also Rothenburg, a little north, is an intact > Medieval/ Renaissance walled town Yes, we stayed there a few years ago. Lovely! > Coburg has a nice armor collection and an art museum, Right, that's on the list, too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 05:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28130 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B921E11744; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B920A14306; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B91mA14243 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-181.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.181]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AFC8324 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:01:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D2D4978.4050005@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] What to embroider on a 16yh century forepart? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:01:44 +0200 Status: RO Hi, I have a gold silk/satin forepart and I am looking for an embroidery pattern. The dress is from aboud 1562 and is Italian. In Janet Arnolds Patterns of fasihon 1560-1620, on page 49, picture 347 and 348 is a nice example of a forepart. But it is 1580-95 and probably made in England. I have just one year to embroider it, but I am going to embroider te part that you can see if the dress is worn over it. Are there any books for sale with exampels of embroidered foreparts and the different stiches that were used? Would this book be intresting? Exploring Elizabethan embroidery by Dorothy Clarke Or this book? Embroidery in Britain From 1200 to 1750: The Victoria & Albert Museum's Textile Collection by Donald King, Santina Levey Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 05:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28368 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:29:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6B9DgE12065; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6B9DfA21637; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:13:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6B9AeA16135 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020711091040.44731.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.37] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:10:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207102349.g6ANn9A21949@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-247641155-1026378640=:43466" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume trivia Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:10:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-247641155-1026378640=:43466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Plus, even if it was the law somewhere, sumptuary legislation has existed for centuries, but was rarely, if ever adhered to, because of the difficulty in enforcing. But as another piece of trivia, in the 15th (I think!) century a law was passed in England stating that all prostitutes had to wear their clothes inside out to mark out their profession (although agian, unlikely to have been enforced). Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-247641155-1026378640=:43466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Plus, even if it was the law somewhere, sumptuary legislation has existed for centuries, but was rarely, if ever adhered to, because of the difficulty in enforcing.

But as another piece of trivia, in the 15th (I think!) century a law was passed in England stating that all prostitutes had to wear their clothes inside out to mark out their profession (although agian, unlikely to have been enforced).

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Just want to say thanks to Nicole for the pictures.  Being stuck on the traders field at the opposite end of the site I didn't get to do much costume ogling!  (Although I had a fantastic view of the WWII fashion show by The Spitfires, which was excellent.)

And Jean, had to laugh at the mental image of our lot wearing tansy surcotes.  We should definitely get them to do it (talk about glowing!)

Debbie.

 


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May the Costume Gods (if any such exist!) protect all costumers from *that* Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 07:41:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31459 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BBQ2E15945; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BBQ1A11806; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BBPtA11780 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020711112555.73843.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:25:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <7E7F24B0.772028DA.0F933E1F@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:25:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > Greetings All! > > I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while > you have been costuming? Have your spending habits gone up or down? Also, > your fabric choices; better, worse? My spending habits went up according to my financial situation. When beinga student while working part time a little at Uni I wouldn't have dreamt of spending what I spend now. At the same time the quality and fabric choice has gone up accordingly. I would NEVER use slubby dupion silk anymore, because it is plain wrong for the period I am doing. I always use taffeta now, but I do shop around trying to find the cheapest retailer. I hate shopping though and do most of my purchases via the internet. Same with woolens, we buy almost all of our wool from hainsworth now, 100% pure wool, superfines and meltons, quite simply because with the job came the problem of not having any time. If I go and madly sew every waking and non-working hour for ben, then I am not using a cheap and tacky cloth. I do though tend to overspend, but I anticipate this for any given project and will spend next year paying off my credit card. All in all I know EXACTLY what I want and what I do not use, and thus are able to shop for the cheapest price of what I want. Now and then though... same with the metal brocade for my mantua, I go 'oh sod it, gonna be broke!' and indulge myself, knowing I'll have to pay off the minus. I am lucky though, full time job, no kids, no mortgage, no rent even, all I have to pay is a contribution to my food and living costs, the petrol and insurance and tax for my car (quite a lot, petrol is so expensive here), my private health insurance and my huge web site hosting. I am very very lucky, I know. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 07:42:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31488 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BBR1E15996; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BBR0A11990; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix4.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BBQSA11891 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 05:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14280 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 11:26:26 -0000 Received: from s22.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.72) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 11:26:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020711072641.009f06b0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200207100451.g6A4p1A12433@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_36884892==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:29:06 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_36884892==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:51 PM 7/9/02 -0600, you wrote: >That looks like a lot of velvet for not very much >money: but I now realise that my total knowledge of >velvet is "I can't afford it" (and even that is now >wrong!) Velvet's become very affordable. >Could someone advise on what these two types are, >please? Also when they would have been used, and >for what? Acetate-Nylon is typically what you find being sold in Jo-Anne's for=20 $20+. Panne is crushed velvet... looks like it's been sat on and ironed=20 that way. It's a neat look, but not for most historical garb that I've=20 ever seen. >(Yes, I *am* a beginner, you're absolutely right!) *chuckle* We all had to start somewhere!! Vik =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4 Lady Victoria's Castle Closet: Custom Clothing and Fine Renaissance Designs http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations 15% discount to List Members, --=====================_36884892==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:51 PM 7/9/02 -0600, you wrote:
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money: but I now realise that my total knowledge of
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Velvet's become very affordable.

Could someone advise on what these two types are,
please? Also when they would have been used, and
for what?

Acetate-Nylon is typically what you find being sold in Jo-Anne's for $20+.  Panne is crushed velvet... looks like it's been sat on and ironed that way.  It's a neat look, but not for most historical garb that I've ever seen.

(Yes, I *am* a beginner, you're absolutely right!)

*chuckle*  We all had to start somewhere!!

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Errm.. what's a "Jo-Anne's"? Is being sold there a good thing or a bad thing? Although possibly the world "nylon" tells me all I need to know. Even as a beginner, I suspect that the amount of that used in medieval times was quite low. What *was* velvet made from? Cotton? And is the "real thing" even vaguely affordable now? >Panne is crushed velvet... looks like it's been sat on and > ironed that way.  It's a neat look, but not for most historical garb > that I've ever seen. Nice for cushions, I would imagine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 08:57:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02355 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:57:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BCg1E18835; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCg1A29421; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BCfMA29230 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020711124122.90272.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:41:22 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207111211.g6BCBYD31243@bart.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:41:22 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > Errm.. what's a "Jo-Anne's"? Is being sold there a good thing or a bad thing? It's an American thing, dear. A chain of fabric stores, thus whenever you see mails with a subject like 'Jo Anne's (insert sale/shops/offers etc)' arrives, you can delete it straight away. :-) Same with Hancock's, or Wal mart. > Although possibly the world "nylon" tells me all I need to know. Even as a > beginner, I suspect that the amount of that used in medieval times was quite > low. Non-existent indeed. What *was* velvet made from? Cotton? And is the "real thing" even > vaguely affordable now? It was made from silk, 100% silk. Aparently one can still get tha SOMEwhere but the price is prohibitive. Modern 'silk velvet' is usually 80% rayon (the pile) and 20% silk (the backing) and can be dyed well and also used for burning patterns into it. Cotton velvet or velveteeen as many call it, is an aceptable an suitable alternative and looks way more period than the rayon velvet. Just be careful with some 'veveteen's' their nap is too short, looks like upholstery velvet. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:10:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03167 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:10:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BCs2E19359; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCs1A02860; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCrCA02667 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.25.2a502a53 (4329) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <25.2a502a53.2a5ed9ae@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_25.2a502a53.2a5ed9ae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:02 EDT Status: RO --part1_25.2a502a53.2a5ed9ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If all those places are on your list you might want to map your trip to follow the so called castle road. It starts in Mannheim, goes via Heidelberg all the way to Nuernberg. It is a regular highway that you can drive with castles all along it. Some are ruins, some are restaurants, one is a wild bird refuge, with falcons and eagles (I think they do a show daily), etc. etc. It is a little slower traveling than on the Autobahn (German Expressway) but it is definitely worth it. All depends on how much time you have. I did not mention it before cause you said Southern Germany/Austria area. Also part of this or actually a lot of it is considered Southern Germany, I thought it was too far from where you originally wanted to go. As far as I am concerned the castle road is a trip in itself. Because there is so many things to see that might not be necessarily in tourist guides. For example outside of Mannheim towards Heidelberg is a little city called Ladenburg. They found quite a few Roman remains there. Not as much as Trier, but still. At the University Library in the City of Heidelberg, at the foot of the Heidelberg castle, is the Codex Manesse. With a prior appointment you can get into the rare book section and see an ancient facsimile. The real one is locked in a vault and does not get taken out unless it is an extreme situation or a head of State wants to see it. If I remember correctly when I took some friends from the States there we were told they only take it out about once every 50 years. The facsimile is several hundred years or so worth seeing in itself. Plus they have several Hildegard von Bingen and other period texts. The Wild Bird refuge is real close to Heidelberg as well. As a matter of fact within a 20 mile radius I think there is something like 7 castles, some in ruins. If you are going to Coburg you might consider going via Schweinfurt. The Georg Schaefer library is there. It has the most extend period collection for period book printing and printed materials, (Gutenberg Bible, Schaedelsche Weltchronic (3 copies) several Modelbuch, etc,) . Within half an hour from Schweinfurt is Wuerzburg, with the gorgeous Bishop residence castle, fabulous churches, etc. As I said before I am from Germany. I grew up close to where the former East German and Tchec borders used to meet, close to Hof. That area has a lot of textile industry, Spinning, weaving and garment industry. My parents moved fro there to Schweinfurt. I went to college in Aschaffenburg, another city worth visiting (castle and summer residence) and later lived in Mannheim. I have only been back stateside about 4 years. As a matter of fact last month I was home for 12 days, because my father celebrated his 90th Birthday. Since I am a member of the SCA I wrote a travel report to my Kingdom while there. It is a three part report and some things may not be relevant. I will repost it to this list for a lot might be interesting to you as well. Elisabeth --part1_25.2a502a53.2a5ed9ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If all those places are on your list you might want to map your trip to follow the so called castle road. It starts in Mannheim, goes via Heidelberg all the way to Nuernberg.  It is a regular highway that you can drive with castles all along it.  Some are ruins, some are restaurants, one is a wild bird refuge, with falcons and eagles (I think they do a show daily), etc. etc.  It is a little slower traveling than on the Autobahn (German Expressway) but it is definitely worth it. All depends on how much time you have.
I did not mention it before cause you said Southern Germany/Austria area.  Also part of this or actually a lot of it is considered Southern Germany, I thought it was too far from where you originally wanted to go.  As far as I am concerned the castle road is a trip in itself.
Because there is so many things to see that might not be necessarily in tourist guides.  For example outside of Mannheim towards Heidelberg is a little city called Ladenburg.  They found quite a few Roman remains there.  Not as much as Trier, but still.
At the University Library in the City of Heidelberg, at the foot of the Heidelberg castle, is the Codex Manesse.  With a prior appointment you can get into the rare book section and see an ancient facsimile.  The real one is locked in a vault and does not get taken out unless it is an extreme situation or a head of State wants to see it.  If I remember correctly when I took some friends from the States there we were told they only take it out about once every 50 years.  The facsimile is several hundred years or so worth seeing in itself.  Plus they have several Hildegard von Bingen and other period texts.
The Wild Bird refuge is real close to Heidelberg as well.  As a matter of fact within a 20 mile radius I think there is something like 7 castles, some in ruins.

If you are going to Coburg you might consider going via Schweinfurt.  The Georg Schaefer library is there.  It has the most extend period collection for period book printing and printed materials, (Gutenberg Bible, Schaedelsche Weltchronic (3 copies) several Modelbuch, etc,) .  Within half an hour from Schweinfurt is Wuerzburg, with the gorgeous Bishop residence castle, fabulous churches, etc.
As I said before I am from Germany.  I grew up close to where the former East German and Tchec borders used to meet, close to Hof.  That area has a lot of textile industry, Spinning, weaving and garment industry.  My parents moved fro there to Schweinfurt. I went to college in Aschaffenburg, another city worth visiting (castle and summer residence) and later lived in Mannheim.  I have only been back stateside about 4 years.
As a matter of fact last month I was home for 12 days, because my father celebrated his 90th Birthday.  Since I am a member of the SCA I wrote a travel report  to my Kingdom while there.  It is a three part report and some things may not be relevant.  I will repost it to this list for a lot might be interesting to you as well.
Elisabeth
   
   --part1_25.2a502a53.2a5ed9ae_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03265 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BCt2E19424; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCt1A03096; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCsPA02967 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.104.1851cbcf (4329) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <104.1851cbcf.2a5ed9e7@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_104.1851cbcf.2a5ed9e7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Report from Germany I Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:59 EDT Status: RO --part1_104.1851cbcf.2a5ed9e7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_104.1851cbcf.2a5ed9e7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: <14c.109c1641.2a5e3271@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:59:29 EDT Subject: Fwd: Report from Germany I To: SNSpies@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_104.1851cbcf.2a5e3271_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 --part2_104.1851cbcf.2a5e3271_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_104.1851cbcf.2a5e3271_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:50:10 EDT Subject: Fwd: Report from Germany I To: GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part3_104.1851cbcf.2a449722_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 --part3_104.1851cbcf.2a449722_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part3_104.1851cbcf.2a449722_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: <1a2.38c4459.2a38b221@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:09 EDT Subject: Report from Germany I To: sca-aethelmearc@andrew.cmu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 To Everyone on the list Greetings from Elisabeth Johanna von der Flossenburg Today is June 6, 2002. I am writing this knowing fully well that I cannot mail it out until bqack in the States. Also I brought my laptop with me due to the telephone systen here in Germany (wallplugs, lines, connections, etc.) I cannot access a line. O well. But I do not want to forget anything so I am writing it down as I go. I have some great stuff that others may be interested in as well so I thought I would better share. I arrived last Friday night very late (almost midnight) in London. What a city!!!!! We spent Saturday and Sunday visiting The British Museum and the Wallace Collection, as well as friends. I partook in the pre-feast my friends were cooking and it was absolutely excellent. (They wanted to try it out before serving it at the Lamas event). Once again I realized how much we are really missing in the Statres by not being able to just walk down the street, catch "the tube" (underground railroad) and then walking a little ways and there you are at the museum with all its treasures. Even more so I realized that when back in Germany. On Monday early (& am) I continued my journey home). Also I spent most of Monday at the Embassy in Frankfurt, (unfortunately going through security at London Heathrow my Alien Registration Card, which I kept in my passport, ended up missing during one of the many passport checks. At the embassy,where I was repremanded for being careless, I was given travel documents to be able to return to the States. What a hazzle, but I guess I deserve that for not being more careful.) we finally made it to Amberg, where my in-laws live. On the way to Amberg we stoppeed in Nuernberg at the Germanische Nationalmuseum, which unfortunately was closed But their library was open. They had to pry me out of there. I did get a copy of the article from waffen und Kostuemkunde about the historical find of male clothing dated 1490 -1520. With patternsd and all. Those of you who do German from this time frame please contact me I will share. The patterns are of hose incl. attached feet, a doublet, a shirt/nightshirt (similar to the Duerer paintings, Mistress Allison, Mistress Michaele one can see nthe pleating/smocking!!!!!!) and a pair of sewn stockings. I will translate this article as soon as I have time. It is 32 pages. (Sir Reinhard and Mistress berengaria, this is the article I told you about), I spent Tuesday morning in Amberg, a great little medieval city with the old city walls and fortifications intact, got an illustrated book about the "Amberger Hochzeit 1474" (Amburg Wedding in 1474) with original texts and illustrations. I also found one on the history of "fire weapons", guns, by the Kuchenreuther family and the steal production industry in the region Oberpfalz starting in the 15th century. Tuesday afternoon came the highlight of my trip so far. I went by train (45minutes) to Nuernberg andf visited the museum shop of the Germanische Nationalmuseum. Yes, I would have loved to go into the museum, but rather than not having the time to really look at things I explored the shop. It is almost like a museum in itself. Lots of rare books. I spent too much money but I will share the list with you for certain books may be of interest to many of you. I initially went there for the book : Textiler Hausrat, Kleidung und Haustextilien in Nuernberg 1500 - 1650. This book has been out of print and she has about 6 copies left, which I reserved because various other lists I am on want it as well. This book covers home textiles, clothing, hats, (male, female, children's) as well qas household inventories, the sale and resale of such, etc. Definetly recommended for the serious costumer. Right down the line of costuming I found a book of Paintings: Spaetgotische Tafelmalerei in Sachsen (Board (???) paintings of the Late Gothik in Saxony) Again lots of paintings of the Cranach style clothing, lots of back views as well. Great book for costumers. A gem no longer available and I still cannot believe I found it is the book set: Das Hausbuch der Mendelschen Zwoelfbruederstiftung. This book is the Chronic of a special charitable order started by the Mendel family in Nuernberg in 1388, by giving old and ill males a home to spent the rest of their live. The special thing about this book set is it has faxcimilles a depiction (drawing) of every craftsman who ever entered the order. Only one member of each craft was allowed to join at a time. Not only is this bookset a wealth of information as to which professions were in Nuernberg until what time, it also has the depictions of the craftsman showing clothing, tools, etc. It is fabulous. Next a book that was just published but I think a must for every person interested in period research: Weltchronik 1493 by Hartmann Schedel. Again a faxcimile. One of the art critics calls it the picture book of the middle ages/renaissance. It is illuminated and along with the stories of the bilble gives a run down of which city was founded when, who rukes where, etc. etc. It is absolutely great. It is bound in velvet and I could not believe the price. I monly paid 65.00 Euros (about $65). This book can still be bought at that price from the museum. I also picked up a book on West European Illuminations 8-16 Century housed at the Russion National Library, St. Petersburg. This book was a whole 25 Euros. Unbelievable! Furthermore I picked up the annual publication of the Germanische Nationalmuseum from 1991-1994, and 1996. All have grand articles in them on the vqarious collections housed in the museum or on traveling exhibits. Yesterday I came to Schweinfurt, where we celebrated my Dad's 90th Birthday. Tomorrow I have an appointment to see the Georg and Otto Scaefer Collections (Old German Paintings 1400-1600 and grapgics like edgings, engravings, etc). Among other things I will get to actually touch embroidery pattern books from 1563. I am very excited. So tomorrow will be a follow up report. Please contact me if you want to see any of my new treasures. or for info as to how to get copies of the books still available. Sorry I am running out of funds so i cannot get duplicates right now. Elisabeth --part3_104.1851cbcf.2a449722_boundary-- --part2_104.1851cbcf.2a5e3271_boundary-- --part1_104.1851cbcf.2a5ed9e7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:11:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03273 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BCt5E19440; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCt4A03116; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCsXA02997 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.139.1101ca54 (4329) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <139.1101ca54.2a5eda00@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_139.1101ca54.2a5eda00_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-AE] Travel report II Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:54:24 EDT Status: RO --part1_139.1101ca54.2a5eda00_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_139.1101ca54.2a5eda00_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: <9a.283cd7b2.2a5e008b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:26:35 EDT Subject: Fwd: [SCA-AE] Travel report II To: SNSpies@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 --part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_alt_boundary" --part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding this to you for it has much more details than I can remember. 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Elisabeth --part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_alt_boundary-- --part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:10:00 EDT Subject: Fwd: [SCA-AE] Travel report II To: masanger@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part3_139.1101ca54.2a406f08_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 --part3_139.1101ca54.2a406f08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part3_139.1101ca54.2a406f08_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xi05.mx.aol.com (rly-xi05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.10]) by air-xi05.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILINXI53-0612102057; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:20:57 -0400 Received: from lists2.andrew.cmu.edu (lists2.andrew.cmu.edu [128.2.10.216]) by rly-xi05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXI57-0612102025; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:20:25 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by lists2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) id g5CEIL7j006965 for sca-aethelmearc-list; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.andrew.cmu.edu (MX1.andrew.cmu.edu [128.2.10.111]) by lists2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id g5CEIHZA006958 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.andrew.cmu.edu (8.12.3.Beta2/8.12.3.Beta2) with ESMTP id g5CEIGGH013365; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:16 -0400 Received: by mx1.andrew.cmu.edu (Plusit 1.26); Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:18:16 -0000 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by mx1.andrew.cmu.edu (8.12.3.Beta2/8.12.3.Beta2) with ESMTP id g5CEIFGJ013349 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:15 -0400 Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id c.4f.1ec620b0 (2519) for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <4f.1ec620b0.2a38b223@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:11 EDT Subject: [SCA-AE] Travel report II To: sca-aethelmearc@andrew.cmu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-sca-aethelmearc@lists.andrew.cmu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sca-aethelmearc@andrew.cmu.edu June 7, 2002 Today was an experiece I will not forget in a loooong time. I was able to look at and touch, to leave through and read books that were printed in period. I was able to go to the Otto Schaefer Library in Schweinfurt. I had called and had gotten an appointment for 2 pm. Today was the first time I regretted not having taken the digital camera with me. When I got there I had to sign in with ID Card (passport) and the whole nine yards. In the guest register all the books I was going to look at were recorded. The first one was: "Ein new kunstlich Modelbuch" published by Quentell in Cologne, Germany in 1536. The paper is almost comparable with some of the calligraphy paper I saw in the States. The pages have yellowed slightly. The book had a long explanation .as to what the designs can be used for: Embroidery, Weaving, Lace making. There were designs by Duerer Holbein and Cranach. Some very simple geometrics others very intricate for reticella lace. It was wonderful. Next I was given the Original of the Amman Trachtenbuch. The edition was called Gynaeceum. Published 1586 I do have a Dover reprint, but it in no way does the original any justice. The lines on the woodcuts are clear. The paint as fresh as the day it was printed. The text completely in Latin. It was really hard to believe the Art and clearness of the print. Totally amazing that books can actually survive this long. I had to think odf all the hands that had touched this book over the years and centuries. I can only hope that some of the modern art can survive as long and be in as good a shape. Then I saw a Modelbuch again this one was by Sibmacher and called "Neues Modelbuch in Kupffer" published 1604. It showed many heraldic motives for Cross Stitch. Yes for Cross Stitch. The charts looked exactly like modern counted cross stitch charts. Just no legends for assigning colors to the symbiols. Most of them wwere for 2 or 3 colors. After the cross stitch charts (heraldic beasts, arms, geometric designs) was an few pages for blackwork, then reticella and finally needlepainting. The decriptions on several "cross stitch charts " read: "Kreuzstich und franzoesischer Stich auch ins Gestrueck zu nehmen" "Cross stitch and French Stitch can also be used in knitting A complete section on designs for patterns for clocks on stockings. It was amazing. Today we do not do as intricate a design anymore. It really shows how much more skilled these needleworkers from period were. Through the technical age sooooo much knowledge and skill was lost. It is unfortunate. The next book I was shown was illustrated by Jost Amman (woodcuts) again. It was a book on clothing of the clergy: Ordenstrachten by Johann Adam Lonitzer, published in 1585 It briefly listed the clothing ordinances for each picture, each depicting a different order and rank. It was mainly the male orders, but also a few female ones. The final original I was able to see was: Fabian von Auerwald's Ringerbuch published 1537 This book explains each move allowed in wrestling with the accompanying picture. This book was interesting to me since each man in the illustration was dressed in the Landsknechrt style. The instructiuons for each move were clear and concise. The old German language spoken then (or better printed then) was hardly different from the current German. I was in a daze. They would have let me look at other books in the vaulted library, if I had asked. But by the time I had studied the ones I just wrote about I was overwhelmed. The reading room where I was is lined with books. Most of the first editions from 1900 - 1950. Only the "old" books were in the vault. Books dating priror to 1900. I was allowed to look in there. I had imagined a small room. WRONG! It was a large room with rows and rows of bookshelves lined with books. The books they had selected for me all dealt with fashion. I was offered to look at others. There are many many original Duerer engravings, drawings and edgings. There are original fencing books, etc. etc. etc. 2 copies of the original Weltchronic (the one I just bought a faxcimile copy off) and more and more. It was hard to believe. It is my understanding that Mr. Otto Schaefer has one of the most extensive collections of printed graphics especially from the 15th and 16th Century. Mr. Otto Schaefer passed away 2 years ago. About 10 years ago he opened his library to the public. For a small price of 3 Euros per adult one can tour whichever exhibit is being shown at the time. As to being able to do what i was able to do one only has to make an appointment. They do have a web page: www.bibliothek-otto-schaefer.de I think many of Aethelmearc's illuminators would have been just as excited as I was. Also there are few actual written documents, there are many illuminated printed documents and books. Of course I bought books there as well that were published by and for the Otto Schaefer Library. 3 book Set: Duerer as storyteller Duerer: the Art to "travel" in nature Duerer - Heaven and Earth Amor als Topograph - 500 years Amores by Conrad Celtis Der Buchschmuck der Sensenschmidt Bibel, Nuernberg about 1476 depicting all the illuminated Capital letters of the Sensenschmidt bible Kostbare Drucke und Einbaende aus 6 Jahrhunderten Precious prints and covers from 6 Centuries Einbandkunst aus sechs Jahrhunderten Artful Covers from 6 centuries Tomorrow, Saturday I hope to still find the time to visit the Georg Schaefer Museum which is home to the Art Collection (Paintings. Georg Schaefer collected mainly German Masters. I do have a printed Catalogue of one of the special exhibits which were almost entirely paintings from the Cranach School of painters. But since a lot of these paintings are loaned out to various museums all over the world I cannot hope to see that collection in its entirety. But that would be overwhelming anyhow. And I do have to spend some time with my father. Afterall he is the reason I came to visit. I am getting scared however off getting all these books home. The suitcases (I brought an empty one to start out with) are getting awfully heavy. Books way a ton. But I will not leave my new treasures behind. I know I had not mentioned it before but I did get a copy of the Schuette Embroidery Book, which has been out of print forever and I have been trying for the last 10 years to find. It covers all the embroidery in period from the Bayeuz Tapestry on. It is the Embroiderer's bible. Well I better go, it is getting late and I need to get some sleep. Anyone wanting to see any of the new books please get in touch with me directly. Elisabeth - To change your list status, send a single line message to sca-aethelmearc-request@andrew.cmu.edu Example: UNSUBSCRIBE sca-aethelmearc BOSTONHAHN@aol.com --part3_139.1101ca54.2a406f08_boundary-- --part2_139.1101ca54.2a5e008b_boundary-- --part1_139.1101ca54.2a5eda00_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03326 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:11:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BCu1E19488; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCu1A03354; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BCtWA03225 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:55:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.137.10e41852 (4329) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:55:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <137.10e41852.2a5eda39@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_137.10e41852.2a5eda39_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Travel Report III Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:55:21 EDT Status: RO --part1_137.10e41852.2a5eda39_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_137.10e41852.2a5eda39_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: <42.29044663.2a44974a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:50:50 EDT Subject: Fwd: Travel Report III To: GermanRenCostume@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_137.10e41852.2a44974a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 --part2_137.10e41852.2a44974a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part2_137.10e41852.2a44974a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Full-name: BOSTONHAHN Message-ID: <45.18abcd1d.2a38b223@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:18:11 EDT Subject: Travel Report III To: sca-aethelmearc@andrew.cmu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 June 8, 2002 Made it to the Georg Schaefer Museum. It was a disappointment. They are holding a Spitzweg Exhibit. Way past our period. All the old masters are in the vault, no way to see them. O well. I cannot win them all. The remainder of the trip will be somewhat boring. Visits with family. I am looking forward to returning home. Sure would have liked to spent more time in Nuernberg, but that could not be helped. I did get to see most of what I wanted to see, and lots more than I expected. This pretty mmuch concludes all interesting things from this trip. I will write more once back in the States. As I said before, anyone interested in the books I bought please contact me personally. Your Excellency Baroness Liadain I got your playing cards, and I did get the requested items for Master Charles of Alden as well. Please contact me so we can get together. Thanks Elisabeth --part2_137.10e41852.2a44974a_boundary-- --part1_137.10e41852.2a5eda39_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:17:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03714 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:17:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BD12E19730; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BD11A04788; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BD0aA04668 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:00:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m251.in-tch.com [216.166.191.251]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6BCkrP25232 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2D82C5.314EDF5B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of weeds.... References: <3D2C9456.19.158B6CB8@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:06:13 -0600 Status: RO I'd have to ask our local weed expert (former baron of our SCA group, who just happens to be the Main Weed Guy for one of the counties our barony comprises) which type of tansy this is...it grows fairly tall, has feathery-looking leaves, and a kind of umbrella-shaped, composite flower head (reminds me of same sort of shape as, say, queen anne's lace, or dill), with bright yellow, round flowers no bigger than my thumb nail. I'm pretty sure it's the same stuff that occasionally shows up in medieval recipes. The plants my friends used had not yet flowered--they're gonna try just using the flower heads later this summer when it blooms. We actually have a lot of problems with invasive and noxious weeds in Montana--sometimes they're trouble just because there aren't enough natural predators/consumers of the plant, and it spreads so rapidly that it crowds out native vegetation, and you end up with half a hillside that's only got one plant species on it. Some of these are quite useful (knapweed for honey, st. john's wort for possible medicinal uses, dyer's woad for dyeing), but still an overall pest. Dyer's woad, for instance, is so bad that you can't even legally grow woad in your garden (well, apparently you can grow something called "japanese indigo," but that's it). If you want to dye with indigo or woad here, you pretty much have to import or buy the actual dyestuff. I'm looking forward to this weekend--we have a local (SCA) event, at which several people are going to be doing a dye-in. I've got skeins of prepared threads and yarns (different types of silk and wool) to add to the dye baths--think they're doing indigo, logwood (beautiful shades of purple), madderroot, brazilwood, maybe some osage orange, and probably more knapweed and tansy. I'd very much like to dye some fabric for an outfit someday, but don't have the appropriate base fabric at the moment, so these threads are intended primarily for embroidery and test-bits of knitting. Should be loads of fun! --Sue kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: > > > Hi, All. Sue, I have tansy all over the place, as well as false > > indigo. > > One of the problems in the US is that there are two kinds of tansy. > There is tansy ragwort which is a noxious weed (because it kills > cattle) and there is true tansy, which works well for dyeing. It's too > bad that so many different plants have names which are similar or > the same. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05780 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BDS2E21193; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDS1A12453; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe40.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDRuA12426 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:27:50 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [67.250.177.78] From: "Gia Gavino" To: "Costume List" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Costume College MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0005.1700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C228A4.0FD21910" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 13:27:50.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[C11FE960:01C228DE] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:27:42 -0700 Status: RO ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C228A4.0FD21910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! I've been frantically moving since June, and have missed/deleted = most threads because of time constraints. However, is this thread about = the Costume College happening in Grand Rapids, MI? =20 Sorry to ask in mid thread... Thanks! Gia/Giacinta ----- Original Message ----- From: Allison Thurman Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:39 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume College Message: 14 =20 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:41:48 -0500 =20 To: h-costume@indra.com =20 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger =20 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume College =20 Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com =20 We're going to Costume College as well. We're teaching a class on Trims = on =20 Saturday at 1 pm, and a limited attendance workshop on creating headpiece= s =20 and headdresses (mostly Fantasy oriented, but...) late Sunday afternoon. = I =20 at least will try to remember to put a red H on my badge. If you're goin= g =20 to the gala Saturday night, I will be in bright orange and yellow, and =20 Pierre will be in black and silver gray. =20 Sandy =20 - I will be attending this class, and look forward to see= ing you there! I will also be at the gala, in a green "mock Fortuny" and = whatever else I find to go with it. - I am saving these emails and will work up a list of nam= etags to look for! =20 - Allison =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C228A4.0FD21910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!  I= 've been frantically moving since June, and have missed/deleted most thre= ads because of time constraints.  However, is this thread about the = Costume College happening in Grand Rapids, MI? 
 
Sorry to ask in mid thread...
Thanks!
Gia= /Giacinta
=
----- Original Message -----
From:= Allison Thurman
Sent: Wedne= sday, July 10, 2002 6:39 PM
To:<= /B> h-costume@indra.com
Subject:= [h-cost] Re: Costume College
 

Message: 14
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:41:48 -0500
= To: h-costume@indra.com
From: Pierre & Sand= y Pettinger <costumrs@radiks.net>
Subject= : [h-cost] Re: Costume College
Reply-To: h-cost= ume@mail.indra.com

We're going to Costume C= ollege as well.  We're teaching a class on Trims on
Saturday at 1 pm, and a limited attendance workshop on creating= headpieces
and headdresses (mostly Fantasy ori= ented, but...) late Sunday afternoon.  I
a= t least will try to remember to put a red H on my badge.  If you're = going
to the gala Saturday night, I will be in = bright orange and yellow, and
Pierre will be in= black and silver gray.

Sandy

            =     - I will be attending this class, and l= ook forward to seeing you there! I will also be at the gala, in a green "= mock Fortuny" and whatever else I find to go with it.

 = ;             = ;  - I am saving these emails and will work up a list= of nametags to look for!

     &n= bsp;          - Al= lison

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C228A4.0FD21910-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 09:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06065 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:48:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BDW1E21444; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDW1A13741; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDVDA13440 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m251.in-tch.com [216.166.191.251]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6BDHTP03360 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D2D89F4.BEFC5B6D@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices References: <7E7F24B0.772028DA.0F933E1F@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:36:52 -0600 Status: RO Hi, Kit. Great question! My fabric-shopping habits have definitely changed, somewhat for the better, and oft times, more expensive. (short version) (Longer version) As I've learned more and more about historical costuming and clothing, I've stopped buying inexpensive cottons, etc., and gone with linens and wools (when I can find them). I do still consider okay (in my SCA-related context) to use good quality cotton velveteens and some corduroys as substitutes for some of the period, napped fabrics, as they are my best available substitutes (even if not what I'd *dream* of having ...I got to see some of the Real Thang last fall....*drool*). Luckily, I've never been fond of artificial fibers like polyester, etc., so that wasn't a fabric habit I had to break as I learned to become more authentic in my fiber choices. In general, I've become pickier (especially in the last couple of years--this list has had a strong influence on me and my levels of commitment to having more authentic clothing!), and less willing to go with the "it's good enough for a tourney event" stuff....This may partly explain why my costuming interests, at least for the immediate future, have shifted from the really late renaissance stuff, to earlier cultures (early Anglo-Saxon, which is completely Ben's fault, Nicole ), or Robin's Gothic Fitted Gowns. Someday I'll no doubt dabble in the Elizabethans again, but right now I'm having loads of fun working with earlier garments. I can feed my obsessive Authenticity Jones by concentrating on period seam finishes, sewing techniques, etc. I prefer to buy cheap, if I can, but that's very, very difficult where I live (Montana's about the size of Spain, but doesn't even have a million people in it). We have one "Jo Ann's" store in town that's largely nasty craft junk and cheap seasonal fabrics ($2/yd. acetate taffetas at Spring Prom time, etc.). And that's it. We have to go several hours, or find it on the internet, if we want anything better. When I started costuming about 15 years ago, we had 5? fabric stores in town, one of which just did wool (oh, drool.....*sigh*). I have been so far unable to find a good source for wools (geez, I miss the g-street fabrics website), but have bought lots of good linens on line, and have sources for silk, but am holding off on buying some until I get some outfits made (I'm a pretty bad hoarder). If I've got a specific need for fabric, though, and it's expensive, I don't let that stop me. Sometimes the only way to get it is to be willing to pay for it. My most expensive stuff (carefully folded in my grandmother's old trunk, so I can save it by throwing it through a window if there's ever a house fire) is this divine, scrumptious, black-and-gold upholstery brocade I paid $25/yd for. I will, someday, be using it to make a reproduction of the Phoenix portrait of Elizabeth I. I could talk about fabrics all day (and have!), but I gotta get off this ding-dong computer, and go to work. Thanks for letting me talk! --sue kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings All! > > I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while you have been costuming? Have your spending habits gone up or down? Also, your fabric choices; better, worse? > > For me, although my fabric choices have gotten "better" (for the most part) I have gotten cheaper. For example: I will find a beautiful fine linen, but am no longer willing to spend $15.00 a yard on it. (And I started shopping in the LA Garment District.) > > Thanks in advance for indulging my curiosity. I am looking forward to the responses. > Kit _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08679 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BDx2E23411; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDx0A23311; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:59:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BDwBA22822 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:58:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g6BDxF068188 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207111359.g6BDxF068188@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-Reply-To: <20020711112555.73843.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> "from N Kipar at Jul 11, 2002 12:25:55 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 06:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO where do you find your silks online? I'd love to find some nice duschess satins.... .heather. > --- kitsune242@aol.com wrote: > Greetings All! > > > > I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while > > you have been costuming? Have your spending habits gone up or down? Also, > > your fabric choices; better, worse? > > My spending habits went up according to my financial situation. When beinga > student while working part time a little at Uni I wouldn't have dreamt of > spending what I spend now. At the same time the quality and fabric choice has > gone up accordingly. I would NEVER use slubby dupion silk anymore, because it > is plain wrong for the period I am doing. I always use taffeta now, but I do > shop around trying to find the cheapest retailer. I hate shopping though and do > most of my purchases via the internet. > Same with woolens, we buy almost all of our wool from hainsworth now, 100% pure > wool, superfines and meltons, quite simply because with the job came the > problem of not having any time. If I go and madly sew every waking and > non-working hour for ben, then I am not using a cheap and tacky cloth. > I do though tend to overspend, but I anticipate this for any given project and > will spend next year paying off my credit card. > All in all I know EXACTLY what I want and what I do not use, and thus are able > to shop for the cheapest price of what I want. Now and then though... same with > the metal brocade for my mantua, I go 'oh sod it, gonna be broke!' and indulge > myself, knowing I'll have to pay off the minus. > I am lucky though, full time job, no kids, no mortgage, no rent even, all I > have to pay is a contribution to my food and living costs, the petrol and > insurance and tax for my car (quite a lot, petrol is so expensive here), my > private health insurance and my huge web site hosting. I am very very lucky, I > know. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09010 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:18:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BE21E23659; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BE20A24318; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BE1lA24214 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:01:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6BE1jJU028234 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The 1796 nettlecloth dress In-Reply-To: <3D2BA010.1A7282B@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you, Fran. Does Fred have a web site? On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Lavolta Press wrote: > The photos were someone supplied appear to have been scanned in from a > modern copyrighted book, Ellen Anderson's _Moden 1790-1840_. This > book includes a scale pattern of the same dress with notes. It also > includes 18 other scale patterns for women's and men's garments, and > many photos including those for which no pattern is provided. It was > published in 1986 by the Nationalmuseet in Copenhagen. I think I > bought mine from Fred Struthers--his email is fsbks@mcn.org. > > Fran Grimble _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:20:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09101 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:20:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BE4TE23806; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BE4SA25369; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:04:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BE3xA25181 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6BE3vJU028605 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia In-Reply-To: <016e01c22864$f4976b80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: > >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: > Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow > dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. Ok, is that true, or yet another costume myth? Sounds like someone saw something about (medieval Italian, I think? can't remember which city or century) prostitutes wearing yellow and extrapolated...? Would love to see documentation, because it just sounds fishy. -- Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:24:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09536 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:24:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BE91E24103; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BE90A27095; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BE8aA26931 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14425 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:32:39 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-Reply-To: <3D2D89F4.BEFC5B6D@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:32:39 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Add me to the list of those who buy less and better. I have been slowly getting rid of the stash of "finds" I stocked up in my youth, when I had less discriminating tastes (and was still using cotton). Now I buy only linen, silk, and wool for costume use. Alas, I'm now working one day a week at a fabric store that specializes in linen, silk, and wool, at clearance prices, plus employee discount. So being more discriminating hasn't necessarily brought down the *quantity* of purchases. But I have so many riches to choose from, and a restricted budget! I have in the last couple of months watched with equanimity as a table of wonderful 100% linens, as low as $3/yard, has slowly disappeared. I restricted myself to just 10 yards of red, 6 of blue, about 8 of white. (Hmm, now it doesn't sound that restricted, does it? But there were dozens of bolts, any of which I'd have snapped up if I'd seen it at that price as a single find at Jo-Anns, in my pre-employee days.) --Robin, waiting hungrily for the fall wools to arrive _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:28:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09744 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEC2E24317; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEC1A28233; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEBIA27881 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:11:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14465 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:35:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-Reply-To: <200207111359.g6BDxF068188@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:35:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > where do you find your silks online? I'd love to find some nice > duschess satins.... Anatol's, which is local to me, carries duchess silk satins, and I believe they have an online presence -- try http://www.bridalfabric.com . But they're really expensive. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10036 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEE1E24466; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEE1A29225; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BED3A28872 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6BED0JU029683 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:13:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: <20020711124122.90272.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > What *was* velvet made from? Cotton? And is the "real thing" even > > vaguely affordable now? > > It was made from silk, 100% silk. Aparently one can still get tha SOMEwhere but > the price is prohibitive. Modern 'silk velvet' is usually 80% rayon (the pile) > and 20% silk (the backing) and can be dyed well and also used for burning > patterns into it. I'm sure I've heard of wool velvet, for the 18th c. at least. Am told one can find wool velvet used for theatre seats and curtains. Cheers, Mara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:38:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11128 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEM2E25097; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEM0A02535; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BELKA02288 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g6BEMg368421 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207111422.g6BEMg368421@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-Reply-To: "from Robin Netherton at Jul 11, 2002 09:35:23 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO doesn't look like they sell it, online, in silk. oh well. > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > > where do you find your silks online? I'd love to find some nice > > duschess satins.... > > Anatol's, which is local to me, carries duchess silk satins, and I believe > they have an online presence -- try http://www.bridalfabric.com . But > they're really expensive. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 10:59:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11684 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:59:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEh5E26994; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEh2A12060; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEgOA11777 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip63.access-one.com [198.247.160.63]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BEgM502665 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:42:22 -0400 Message-ID: <009001c228e9$26414d20$3fa0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:42:13 -0500 Status: RO Hi, that one is my fault it is true- not in every boom town though. I am currently searching for the book I found it in again, BUT the original source(for the book) was a newspaper article. I have misplaced both book and my brain has shut down on trying to remember the title. But the story goes thusly- You see the ladies of a particular western town were a bit upset because the prostitutes in town were blending a bit too well- they were afraid they(the upstanding proper ladies) would be mistaken for the "soiled doves"(or the doves would be mistaken for proper ladies!). So they pressured their husbands in to making a law that the ladies be required to wear yellow bows in their hair so everyone would know who they were (this was in the 1870's-1880's when yellow was not a particularly fashionable color- I mean true yellow not the golden yellow) Well the "doves" decided to retaliate and soon every girl in town was dressed in nothing BUT yellow! I use it as an example in my classes, because a common mistake the students make or have it the notion that only "bad women" wore the color red. In the 1880's red was a very fashionable color- in fact most magazines from that era will list about 3-7 shades of it in any one month! Marna Jean(MJ) BTW Hi, everyone! Penny invited me to come and defend her on this thread! I'm a clothing historian/seamstress who focus on the Victorian era but especially the Old West and the bustle periods.Glad to be here. Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era Online Classes in History and Period Sewing -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume Date: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia >On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Penny Ladnier wrote: >> >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: >> Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow >> dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. > >Ok, is that true, or yet another costume myth? Sounds like someone saw >something about (medieval Italian, I think? can't remember which city or >century) prostitutes wearing yellow and extrapolated...? Would love to >see documentation, because it just sounds fishy. > >-- Mara > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11710 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEl1E27378; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEl1A13867; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BEksA13810 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Jul 11 09:27:36 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:27:36 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6BEksA13810 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:27:25 -0500 Status: RO I also seem to buy less on impulse, but what I buy is better quality. No more, "oh, that's pretty, what can I do with it, oh heck I'll get it anyway" but "100 % linen/silk/wool, at that price!?!, I can do X!" . Probably the biggest change is now knowing *where* to shop, and that includes online resources. I am still a bargain hunter but I think those are thrifty habits I inherited from my depression era grandmother. I am lucky enough to have a large space for stash (and a large cutting table, built to my height!) but even it has a few empty shelves these days. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11728 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:06:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEoDE27684; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEoCA15429; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:50:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEnnA15157 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip63.access-one.com [198.247.160.63]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BEnl503514 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:49:47 -0400 Message-ID: <009e01c228ea$2f881160$3fa0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:49:25 -0500 Status: RO try thaisilks.com- limited colors in the duchess satin 11 colors and $23- 30 yd - but good service and reasonable prices on most of their stuff- some of the brocades and velvet are rayon/silk blends but have good hand (though the velvet is very soft!) I adore their silk/cotton batiste. Periodically I get a backorder but not often. MJ >doesn't look like they sell it, online, in silk. oh well. > > >> >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: >> >> > where do you find your silks online? I'd love to find some nice >> > duschess satins.... >> >> Anatol's, which is local to me, carries duchess silk satins, and I believe >> they have an online presence -- try http://www.bridalfabric.com . But >> they're really expensive. >> >> --Robin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:06:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11732 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:06:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BEo4E27651; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEo1A15329; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BEnlA15138 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:49:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip63.access-one.com [198.247.160.63]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BEnh503507 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <009d01c228ea$2e8c4c40$3fa0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:46:02 -0500 Status: RO mohair- not wool- slight difference one's from a sheep the other from a goat- though I suppose one of the longwool breeds like the leicester or cotswold might make passable velvet- I think it is still available or was a few years back- I had a friend who was a large presence in the Angora goat industry and she special ordered mohair velvet for her 19th century couch and chair to be recovered in. MJ > >I'm sure I've heard of wool velvet, for the 18th c. at least. Am told one >can find wool velvet used for theatre seats and curtains. > >Cheers, >Mara > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:26:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11823 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:26:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BF94E29406; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BF92A24579; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BF8EA24188 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:08:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6BF8Aq33380; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:08:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207111508.g6BF8Aq33380@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:08:10 BST Status: RO N Kipar wrote : > --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk > wrote: > > > Errm.. what's a "Jo-Anne's"? Is being sold there a good thing or a bad > thing? > > It's an American thing, dear. A chain of fabric stores, And from the look of the context in other messages since, cheap&nasty fabric stores? Or did I misinterpret that? > What *was* velvet made from? Cotton? And is the "real thing" even > > vaguely affordable now? > > It was made from silk, 100% silk. Aparently one can still get tha SOMEwhere > but > the price is prohibitive. Modern 'silk velvet' is usually 80% rayon (the > pile) > and 20% silk (the backing) and can be dyed well and also used for burning > patterns into it. > > Cotton velvet or velveteeen as many call it, is an aceptable an suitable > alternative and looks way more period than the rayon velvet. Just be careful > with some 'veveteen's' their nap is too short, looks like upholstery velvet. Just what I wanted to know: thanks. So this amazingly cheap stuff would in fact look wrong to those who knew about these things, and I should probably avoid it. (Just been visiting the suggested Silk sites, and drooling over the keyboard. But as yet it would not be a good idea for me to take scissors to fabric of that sort of quality and price). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11861 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFE2E29987; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFE1A27019; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:14:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFDXA26816 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip63.access-one.com [198.247.160.63]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BFDW506525 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:13:32 -0400 Message-ID: <00bc01c228ed$80905ce0$3fa0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:13:19 -0500 Status: RO OH yeah, in the late 1870's cotton velvet was pretty popular- I have several Demorest's that discuss it as being a good "wearable" item- one that did not wear badly- eventually they started calling it velveteen about the mid 1880's but what I have read it was a bit "plusher" than most of the velveteen is now- more like the cotton/rayon velveteen. MJ (p.s. please forgive for me just jumping in here- like I said my specialty is mid-late 19th century and you are probably discussing an earlier period) : >> What *was* velvet made from? Cotton? And is the "real thing" even >> > vaguely affordable now? > >Cheers, >Mara > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11916 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:35:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFJ3E00572; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFJ0A29665; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFIZA29453 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6BFIVx33554; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:18:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207111518.g6BFIVx33554@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:18:31 BST Status: RO Marna Jean wrote : > (p.s. please forgive for me just jumping in here- like I said my specialty > is mid-late 19th century and you are probably discussing an earlier period) I'm just trying to increase my general knowledge (starting from zero). How far back does velvet go, anyway? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:36:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11923 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:36:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFK3E00708; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFK1A00371; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BFJtA00308 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020711151954.43917.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:19:54 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207111508.g6BF8Aq33380@bart.nildram.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:19:54 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > N Kipar wrote : > Just what I wanted to know: thanks. So this amazingly cheap stuff would in > fact look wrong to those who knew about these things, and I should probably > avoid it. Yes, I have to admit I would take only one look and know it is wrong/synthetic, f it is synthetic. Using the wrong materials destroys all the effort of a costume. Start with something simpler, use natural materials which you can buy at the re-enactors markets and multi-period events in the trader markets (the linen is UNBELIEVABLY fanastic and cheap 4-5 quid usually) and then you don't fear so much to do something wrong. Which period are you doing? Where are you in England? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11985 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFU3E01693; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFU1405294; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bart.nildram.co.uk (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFTs405225 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from apache@localhost) by bart.nildram.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g6BFToD33750; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:29:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from apache) Message-Id: <200207111529.g6BFToD33750@bart.nildram.co.uk> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:29:50 BST Status: RO Jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote : > I'm just trying to increase my general knowledge (starting from zero). > > How far back does velvet go, anyway? A bit of Google hunting has found some answers to that one, but having just been advised about Ruritanian Purple Feathers, I'm taking them with a degree of caution. 12th and 13th Century Velvet: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/5459/bliaut3.html includes the comment "Fragments of twill and cotton velvet have been found dating back to 9th century France". I wonder what they used it for back then? T-tunics? http://www.costumes.org/pages/textiles/velvet.htm suggests it goes back to the Egyptians. And there I was thinking it was comparatively modern, being a complicated sort of thing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 11:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12049 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:54:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFc1E02472; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFc1409952; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFbt409888 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:37:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15054 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:02:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: <200207111508.g6BF8Aq33380@bart.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:02:01 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > > > Errm.. what's a "Jo-Anne's"? Is being sold there a good thing or a bad > > thing? > > > > It's an American thing, dear. A chain of fabric stores, > > And from the look of the context in other messages since, cheap&nasty > fabric stores? Or did I misinterpret that? They cater mostly to quilters and crafters, with some home decorating, and modern dress fabrics. That means a lot of cotton prints and synthetics, mostly undesirable for historic use. But they (and the other large chain, Hancock's) are the only local fabric source in many American towns. Because the clearances run nationwide and the same fabrics can be found in many stores, people on the list like to alert others when they discover something suitable there for historical use, particularly when it's on sale. I always comb the local Jo-Ann's during the season clearances -- I have many times caught the stray bolt of 100% linen or wool that the crafters passed up. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 12:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12100 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFn2E03714; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFn1416813; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFmY416547 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15139 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:12:40 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: <200207111529.g6BFToD33750@bart.nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:12:40 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > 12th and 13th Century Velvet: > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/5459/bliaut3.html > includes the comment "Fragments of twill and cotton velvet have been > found dating back to 9th century France". I wonder what they used it > for back then? T-tunics? Someone on the list, a few years ago, posted some useful background on velvet use in medieval Europe. I don't recall the sources (I probably have them saved somewhere), but the take-home message that I committed to memory was that the primary use for velvets before the 14th century was in household furnishings -- e.g. bed hangings, cushions. If the velvets were cotton, that's consistent with the idea that cottons were typically used in household furnishing fabrics, but not in garments, in medieval Europe. Note that I'm saying *primary* and *typical* use here. Of course there are always exceptions. Given all that, I would be reluctant to use velvet for clothing before the 14th centur. I would be happy to see a good source for clothing use, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see any indication that clothing use of velvet was at all routine or common, even among the rich, before the 14th century or later. The real sticking point for me is finding a suitable velvet that can pass for a period velvet. Unless I had something very close, I think the entire garment would suffer, so I avoid it. Since velvet wasn't exactly an essential wardrobe fabric, I don't think I'm missing much without it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 12:07:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12108 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:07:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFp3E04051; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFp2418241; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BFoZ417923 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1742 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 15:50:34 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 15:50:34 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-101-238.sonic.net [209.148.101.238]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g6BFoXg20637 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:50:33 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3D2DAA58.696193A7@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The 1796 nettlecloth dress References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:55:04 -0700 Status: RO Fred's URL is: http://www.mcn.org/e/fsbks/HTML/fred.htm He specializes in imported and used costume books. However, his (large) inventory is not online. I am sure he will be happy to answer inquiries and/or mail a print catalog. I'm not sure how much Fred would want me to publicize this, but he will do special orders of costume books if there is enough interest. I often use him for special ordering from foreign vendors and publishers who I have failed to communicate with language-wise, or who won't accept any currency or form of payment I can give them, or I can't find out their address--that kind of thing. I'm not inexperienced in foreign orders myself, but Fred is a pro at it. Fran Kevin & Mara Riley wrote: > Thank you, Fran. Does Fred have a web site? > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Lavolta Press wrote: > > > The photos were someone supplied appear to have been scanned in from a > > modern copyrighted book, Ellen Anderson's _Moden 1790-1840_. This > > book includes a scale pattern of the same dress with notes. It also > > includes 18 other scale patterns for women's and men's garments, and > > many photos including those for which no pattern is provided. It was > > published in 1986 by the Nationalmuseet in Copenhagen. I think I > > bought mine from Fred Struthers--his email is fsbks@mcn.org. > > > > Fran Grimble > > --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 12:11:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12126 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:11:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BFt2E04463; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFt1420466; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BFsq420380 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip240.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.240]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6BFsmh02788 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D2D49A0.23698.184FAF94@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020711124122.90272.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:02:24 -0700 Status: RO > I'm sure I've heard of wool velvet, for the 18th c. at least. Am told > one can find wool velvet used for theatre seats and curtains. For the 16th C as well (although the pieces that the V&A had from that time period looked more like upholstery weight then clothing weight.) The first velvets show up in the 12th century but initially they were only used by the church in vestments, altar cloths and the like. Use for non-church clothing came a bit later. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 12:54:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12285 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:54:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BGc7E08981; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BGc2415358; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BGbK414540 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A46C3802F6; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:38:04 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200207111508.g6BF8Aq33380@bart.nildram.co.uk> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:38:04 -0500 Status: RO I seem to recall (TM) that there were some finds of Silk banding /applique on some norse garments- the expensive/imported fabric moved from garment to garment as the main fabric wore out.. as I use the early designs, those are easy to cut out- rectangles and squares.. So, fear not!! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of jane@williams.nildram.co.uk Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:08 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets (Just been visiting the suggested Silk sites, and drooling over the keyboard. But as yet it would not be a good idea for me to take scissors to fabric of that sort of quality and price). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 15:07:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13049 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:07:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BIp4E21323; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BIp0400423; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf14bis.bellsouth.net (mail014.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BIoJ429852 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.76.153.176]) by imf14bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020711185143.DMKL21603.imf14bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:51:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00a901c2290b$67d38650$b0994cd8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [h-cost] Hello, once again! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:47:26 -0400 Status: RO Hello all. I unsubb'd many moons ago, but as my sewing is getting better, I kind of miss this list.... Anyway, for those that care, I am in the SCA. Currently, I have gotten a wild hair, and am interested in two portrait, both by Parmigianino, the Roman Courtesan and the Turkish Slave..... Apollonia Apollonia Margherita ***************************************************************** Edmund: It's green. Percy: Yes, my lord! Edmund: Percy, the colour of gold, is gold. Whatever you have discovered if it has a name would be called green. Percy: [on discovering the secret of alchemy] Oh Edmund can it be true, that I hold in my mortal hands a nugget of purest GREEN? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 15:14:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13074 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BIw1E22051; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BIw1404194; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BIvZ404000 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6BIvXJU007451 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin & Mara Riley To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, sometimes they surprise me by getting in real linen or wool -- I recently bought some 100% wool suiting on sale, and sometimes their cotton prints _are_ appropriate for something historical (I just found an actual repro print in the quilting cotton racks, and found some other fabric that looks like a plausible early 19th c. pattern). So you never know! I think that cotton velvet (if it's not too short-napped) is fine for 17th/18th c. costuming, in proper contexts; I've got some lovely red cotton velvet that I found on Hancock's sale table a few years ago that is just waiting for me to get around to cutting it into 17th c. sleeves ;D -- Mara On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > They cater mostly to quilters and crafters, with some home decorating, and > modern dress fabrics. That means a lot of cotton prints and synthetics, > mostly undesirable for historic use. But they (and the other large chain, > Hancock's) are the only local fabric source in many American towns. > Because the clearances run nationwide and the same fabrics can be found in > many stores, people on the list like to alert others when they discover > something suitable there for historical use, particularly when it's on > sale. I always comb the local Jo-Ann's during the season clearances -- I > have many times caught the stray bolt of 100% linen or wool that the > crafters passed up. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 16:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14063 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:11:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BJt9E27827; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BJt0405954; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6BJsM405652 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6959 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2002 19:52:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (66.94.197.50) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2002 19:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <021e01c22914$c80af040$9865fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:54:34 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin & Mara Riley" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets > Yes, sometimes they surprise me by getting in real linen or wool -- I > recently bought some 100% wool suiting on sale, and sometimes their cotton > prints _are_ appropriate for something historical (I just found an actual > repro print in the quilting cotton racks, and found some other fabric that > looks like a plausible early 19th c. pattern). So you never know! And right now their linens, linen-looks, and linen blends are 66% off. I found a bolt of 100% black heavyweight linen for $12 before discount, and some lovely linen/cotton blends for $7 before discount in my local store. Gotta read the bolt ends though... Jeanne A headon collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14676 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:06:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BKo4E03304; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:50:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BKo1407147; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BKnc406899 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([62.255.179.32]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020711204937.WGIM23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:49:37 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? Message-ID: <3D2DFD6D.31249.8D2E20@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <25.2a502a53.2a5ed9ae@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:49:33 +0100 Status: RO On 11 Jul 2002 at 8:53, BOSTONHAHN@aol.com wrote: > > If all those places are on your list you might want to map your trip to follow the so called castle > road. It starts in Mannheim, goes via Heidelberg all the way to Nuernberg. We may well do at least part of this. > I did not mention it before cause you said Southern Germany/Austria area. Also part of this or > actually a lot of it is considered Southern Germany, I thought it was too far from where you > originally wanted to go. It's places we can do on the way there and on the way back. The trip from Calais will be a gentle meander rather than an attempted teleport, I think. The information here, plus those forwarded reports, makes me think we might not even get to Austria :) Thanks! (About to find out how to switch this list to no-mail for a bit). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:13:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14707 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BKv2E04014; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BKv1411143; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BKu7410623 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:56:01 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:55:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 20:56:01.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D823540:01C2291D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:55:51 -0700 Status: RO I would have to agree... I know in the Italian Renaissance there was something similar to this (especially in Venice) involvine yellow skirts and yellow veils... But I don't think it was ever something in the Wild West. :) -Laura -------------------------- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:24:58 -0700 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia To: h-costume@indra.com Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: >Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow >dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. Every single Western boomtown, in every state and territory, in Canada and the US, in every year? I find that amount of co-operation and co-ordination, in a time of no mass media other than a telegraph (when they even had that), unbelievable. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14897 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BLN2E06440; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLN1425261; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLMR424955 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:22:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ3005W1SPD1Y@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Pendleton wool cheap (was Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-reply-to: <3D2D89F4.BEFC5B6D@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020711140355.00d062b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <7E7F24B0.772028DA.0F933E1F@aol.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:22:22 -0700 Status: RO >I have been so far unable >to find a good source for wools Try the Pendleton Wool outlet in Washugal, WA. The 800 number is 1-800-568-2480. Call them to find out what they've got, how much it is, and how they can get it to you. Feel free to pass this number around - I got it off their flyer in their store. I've been there in person (it's across the river from Portland, Oregon), and the remnant section has bins of 1.5 to 3 yard pieces of wool fabric in several weights and colours. These will cost anywhere from $1.50/yd. to $5/yd. The selection of colours will be limited, so ask the person on the phone what they have, and how much of it there is, in how big pieces. They may have anything from winter-coat-weight to summer-suit-weight. They can arrange to ship your fabric to you. They did have a couple of plaids, last time I was there, but almost all was solid colours in plain weave, herringbone, or twill. I have black, dark blue, light blue, dark green, creamy-white, and mauve from two trips there (I live in California). I didn't see much bright yellow, bright red, or white-white. I didn't see any tweed. But I did see photos of re-enactors who used their wool. And I saw striped blankets similar to the Hudson Bay ones. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:41:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14912 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BLO1E06544; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLO0425918; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLNG425402 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:23:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip35.access-one.com [198.247.160.35]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BLNE510010 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:23:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c22921$23bc5580$23a0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:22:39 -0500 Status: RO If it makes sense to you for on time/period place why not another? (just curious and not meaning to be offensive or problematic...- maybe the ladies got the idea from reading an Italian history? Just because one lived "out west" in the 1880's did not mean they were uneducated or "wild" themselves) It wasn't the dresses that they were required to wear it was yellow hairbows- they wore the dresses out of retaliation. I swear upon my honor it was taken from a newspaper account in a book I read- but unfortunately it was before I developed my survival instinct of being able to quote exactly where I found stuff at, and was 2 moves and a divorce ago when I did that particular research. I will eventually "refind" it but my time is rather pressed at the moment. I've been fighting the "red dress" myth for years now. Unlike Hollywood I spend a large portion of my time researching the late Victorian era- and the old west women's clothing in particular. I don't think this one is myth- we were discussing how different areas had different ways to distinguish "parlour houses" and "soiled doves" and how Hollywood gets so much of the saloon/brothel bits wrong. One lady's grandmother said in their area brothels were required to have a slate framed in barnwood on the outside of the house. Then there was the "red light" requirement in some districts. Proper women in the west generally stayed away from poodle dogs because it was a favorite among the soiled doves who carried them when they wen on their "advertisement" strolls... Just a different way in each local to recognize those who were not accepted into the community as equals... MJ >I would have to agree... I know in the Italian Renaissance there was >something similar to this (especially in Venice) involvine yellow skirts and >yellow veils... But I don't think it was ever something in the Wild West. :) > >-Laura > >-------------------------- >Message: 12 >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:24:58 -0700 >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia >To: h-costume@indra.com >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > >From one of our classes, Cowgirls and Shady Ladies: > >Prostitutes in western boomtowns were required by law to wear yellow > >dresses. This was to distinguish them from the average female citizens. > >Every single Western boomtown, in every state and territory, in Canada and >the US, in every year? I find that amount of co-operation and >co-ordination, in a time of no mass media other than a telegraph (when they >even had that), unbelievable. > > >Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( >/----\ /---\)) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:57:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14991 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BLf2E08080; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLf0405545; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLex405517 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SlgF-000Npd-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:40:56 +0100 Message-ID: <9qGhRfC1mfL9Iw5D@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend References: <20020710075349.62468.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> <+i$hDJDQwHL9Iw4B@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> <3D2D0FD8.DCDE083B@in-tch.com> In-Reply-To: <3D2D0FD8.DCDE083B@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:33:41 +0100 Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote >Is that *with* an iron afterbath, or *without?* >--sue, completely enamored of tansy-dyed wool..... I think the best glow comes from the plutonium afterbath :-) (sorry, I'm not the dyer, I have absolutely no idea!) Jean > >Jean Waddie wrote: >> >> N Kipar wrote >> > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I have to say, the >> >gentlemen in their coats and wigs were definitely the >> >> spiffiest thing at the event - Huzzah! >> >> >> >> Jean >> > >> >Thanks Jean! *grins* wait till I have finished ben's coat for good >> >and he has >> >silver lace around the shoulders (two rows) and down the sides (two >> >rows) and >> >along the outside of the breeches (yet another two row) he's gonna be >> >glow-in-the-dark-officer. >> >hehehehe >> > >> >Nicole >> > >> We'll have to match him with someone in a tansy-dyed surcoat and see who >> glows best! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14996 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:58:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BLg7E08209; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLg7406163; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLex405522 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SlgF-000Npf-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:40:57 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: <200207111529.g6BFToD33750@bart.nildram.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:40:16 +0100 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > >> 12th and 13th Century Velvet: >> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/5459/bliaut3.html >> includes the comment "Fragments of twill and cotton velvet have been >> found dating back to 9th century France". I wonder what they used it >> for back then? T-tunics? > >Someone on the list, a few years ago, posted some useful background on >velvet use in medieval Europe. I don't recall the sources (I probably have >them saved somewhere), but the take-home message that I committed to >memory was that the primary use for velvets before the 14th century was in >household furnishings -- e.g. bed hangings, cushions. If the velvets were >cotton, that's consistent with the idea that cottons were typically used >in household furnishing fabrics, but not in garments, in medieval Europe. >Note that I'm saying *primary* and *typical* use here. Of course there are >always exceptions. > >Given all that, I would be reluctant to use velvet for clothing before the >14th centur. I would be happy to see a good source for clothing use, but I >think it's unlikely that we'll see any indication that clothing use of >velvet was at all routine or common, even among the rich, before the 14th >century or later. > >The real sticking point for me is finding a suitable velvet that can pass >for a period velvet. Unless I had something very close, I think the entire >garment would suffer, so I avoid it. Since velvet wasn't exactly an >essential wardrobe fabric, I don't think I'm missing much without it. > >--Robin > Just off the top of my head, I can't picture anything that would hang right in velvet earlier than that 14th century date. The first thing I can imagine is maybe the very late, very structured sideless surcoats with fur edging. When you get on to things like houppelandes and V-neck gowns, then you can start to imagine velvet works with that much heavier look. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 17:58:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14999 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:58:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BLg3E08188; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLg3406120; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BLex405518 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17SlgF-000Npc-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:40:56 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: <200207111508.g6BF8Aq33380@bart.nildram.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:31:20 +0100 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 jane@williams.nildram.co.uk wrote: > >> > > Errm.. what's a "Jo-Anne's"? Is being sold there a good thing or a bad >> > thing? >> > >> > It's an American thing, dear. A chain of fabric stores, >> >> And from the look of the context in other messages since, cheap&nasty >> fabric stores? Or did I misinterpret that? > >They cater mostly to quilters and crafters, with some home decorating, and >modern dress fabrics. That means a lot of cotton prints and synthetics, >mostly undesirable for historic use. But they (and the other large chain, >Hancock's) are the only local fabric source in many American towns. >Because the clearances run nationwide and the same fabrics can be found in >many stores, people on the list like to alert others when they discover >something suitable there for historical use, particularly when it's on >sale. I always comb the local Jo-Ann's during the season clearances -- I >have many times caught the stray bolt of 100% linen or wool that the >crafters passed up. > >--Robin > I'm surprised to hear most towns are so short of fabric shops - since I was completely stunned to find fabric in Wal-Mart in the middle of Connecticut last year. Fabric in a supermarket? (We needed to do quick curtains for the windows in the front and side doors of our rented apartments - a yard of fabric and a bit of masking tape was OK for a week or two). And in one mall in Quebec there were three shops selling cloth and knitting yarn. Fabric shops in the UK are generally specialist and found down obscure side-streets - never, ever in a mall! Was I just very fortunate in the places I went? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 18:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15071 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:24:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BM83E10158; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BM81419208; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BM7r419130 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:07:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip49.access-one.com [198.247.160.49]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6BM7o520075 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c22927$5cacff60$31a0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:07:33 -0500 Status: RO speaking of awl-mart fabrics ours has started carrying real 100% cotton sateen- (very useful for bustle era- don't know about earlier) in about 7 colors! Surprised me! MJ - since I >was completely stunned to find fabric in Wal-Mart in the middle of >Connecticut last year. >-- >Jean Waddie >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 18:24:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15075 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BM91E10278; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BM91419777; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BM8a419516 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17947 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:32:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:32:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > I'm surprised to hear most towns are so short of fabric shops - since > I was completely stunned to find fabric in Wal-Mart in the middle of > Connecticut last year. Fabric in a supermarket? (We needed to do > quick curtains for the windows in the front and side doors of our > rented apartments - a yard of fabric and a bit of masking tape was OK > for a week or two). And in one mall in Quebec there were three shops > selling cloth and knitting yarn. Fabric shops in the UK are generally > specialist and found down obscure side-streets - never, ever in a > mall! Was I just very fortunate in the places I went? Yes and no. In general, the independent fabric store in the U.S. seems to be as scarce now as the independent bookstore. They were common enough 10 years ago, but more and more of them are folding, either because of competition from chains, declining sales (fewer people are sewing these days), or general ill climate for small businesses. If you've got one in your town, it's a thing to treasure. Wal-Mart is a different sort of case. It's not what we would call a supermarket (a term we use for large food stores that also sell soaps, drugs, sundries, and other household consumables). Wal-Mart falls into the category of "discount department store," and brings up the cheapest end of that classification. The chain built its success by bringing mass-market goods at low prices to small towns and other areas that did not have large shopping centers and a broad selection of stores. Wal-Mart located its large retail stores on low-priced property just outside town, offering a one-stop shop for a large range of useful things -- clothes, hardware, toys, household goods -- at prices made possible only by high-volume sales and chain-store scale. (This created a great deal of ill will among small downtowns, whose smaller, more specialized shops often died from the competition of the Wal-Mart down the road.) Anyway, in areas where the nearest fabric store might be an hour away, or there might be only a single tiny specialty shop, Wal-Mart became the chief source of fabric. The stores in less-populated areas thus often have a large fabric department, with a selection catering to the needs of the home crafter/sewer: basic low-priced fabrics for casual and family clothing, quilting supplies, curtain materials, thread and tools, basic craft items. In more urban areas where fabric is easier to come by, Wal-Mart is not the consumer's top choice for fabric shopping, so those stores often have a smaller fabric department or none at all. (In my metro area, I might pick up thread at Wal-Mart while I'm shopping there for something else, but I don't go there specifically for fabric, unless maybe I need cheap cotton.) As to mall stores, a few of the U.S. fabric store chains (So-Fro, Piece Goods) were often located in malls, but I see less and less of those these days. Most of the ones I know are in older malls and are well-established. The idea of three fabric stores in one mall does surprise me. Remember, too, there's a great difference between the mall culture of North America and that of the UK. We also have a large presence of "strip centers" -- collections of stores, often parallel to a road with a shared parking lot, that provide the advantage of clustered stores without the parking problems or expensive architecture of malls. Fabric stores often are located in these groupings. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 18:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15122 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BMO2E11564; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BMO1427769; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BMNv427730 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.5b.2a9993fc (3842) for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.2a9993fc.2a5f5f6e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5b.2a9993fc.2a5f5f6e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:23:42 EDT Status: RO --part1_5b.2a9993fc.2a5f5f6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another thing you might want to consider on your way to Germany from Calais: France has many EXPENSIVE toll roads. You might want to consider going via Belgium and the Netherlands. You would end up close to Aachen when you come into Germany. It is further mileagewise, but it might pay considering the tolls! When we used to go to England that is the route we used to take, but I also have to admit we were able to use military gas coupons in the Netherlands which also made a major difference on gas prices. So before mapping out your route check the Gad Prices as well as the toll costs. Should you decide to go that route you must check out Aachen. It is the city where the Emperors of The Roman Empire were crowned (Charles the great as we Germans call him, etc.) It is worth the time. Not sure about which museums there, but I am sure there are some you would not want to miss. Some other places on that route to check put would be Gent and Brugge. (Bobbin Lace, etc.) Now I really gave you something to think about. Sorry. How much time do you have? You also might try to post questions to the Drachenwald Mailing List. Drachenwald is the name of the European SCA "Kingdom", which does encompass Europe, South Africa, Turkey and Israel. There are groups everywhere who can tell you about the museums etc. in the various towns. Specially the ones that are a little of the beaten track. As I said before I am from Southern Germany, so I am not as familiar with the Northern parts. I am not trying to push SCA here, but this is one way how to get lots of info from locals. Good Luck. Have fun. I think you will be extremely busy!!!!! Elisabeth --part1_5b.2a9993fc.2a5f5f6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another thing you might want to consider on your way to Germany from Calais:
France has many EXPENSIVE toll roads.  You might want to consider going via Belgium and the Netherlands.  You would end up close to Aachen when you come into Germany.  It is further mileagewise, but it might pay considering the tolls!  When we used to go to England that is the route we used to take, but I also have to admit we were able to use military gas coupons in the Netherlands which also made a major difference on gas prices.  So before mapping out your route check the Gad Prices as well as the toll costs.

Should you decide to go that route you must check out Aachen.  It is the city where the Emperors of The Roman Empire were crowned (Charles the great as we Germans call him, etc.)  It is worth the time.  Not sure about which museums there, but I am sure there are some you would not want to miss.

Some other places on that route to check put would be Gent and Brugge.  (Bobbin Lace, etc.)

Now I really gave you something to think about.  Sorry.  How much time do you have?  You also might try to post questions to the Drachenwald Mailing List.  Drachenwald is the name of the European SCA "Kingdom", which does encompass Europe, South Africa, Turkey and Israel.  There are groups everywhere who can tell you about the museums etc. in the various towns.  Specially the ones that are a little of the beaten track.  
As I said before I am from Southern Germany, so I am not as familiar with the Northern parts.

I am not trying to push SCA here, but this is one way how to get lots of info from locals.

Good Luck.  Have fun.  I think you will be extremely busy!!!!!
Elisabeth --part1_5b.2a9993fc.2a5f5f6e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 18:43:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15136 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:43:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BMR3E11840; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BMR1429349; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BMQu429314 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:26:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g6BMQse474249 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:26:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: Pendleton wool cheap (was Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020711140355.00d062b0@mail.frys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:26:54 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO There are Pendleton outlets all over the country. The two in Nebraska usually charge $1/lb for their reminants (which tend to be in pieces 2 yards long or less, though I did luck out on one eight yard royal purple herribone twill that had some dye flaws I can cut around)) and their rolls range from $3 to $6/yd. They also have finished goods, including blankets and clothing, both overstocks and seconds, all discounted. Emma On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > Try the Pendleton Wool outlet in Washugal, WA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 19:26:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15287 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BNB8E15297; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:11:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BNB6420197; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BN9o419568 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from momdad (dialup-63.208.30.83.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.30.83]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6BN9nt131240 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:09:49 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c22930$45665aa0$531ed03f@momdad> From: "HEATHER A CUTLER" To: References: Subject: Re: Pendleton wool cheap (was Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:11:20 -0400 Status: RO Does anyone know of one anywhere near Florida? I could only find the ones in Oregon listed on the website. Moira > > There are Pendleton outlets all over the country. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 19:33:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15328 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BNI6E15801; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BNI6423170; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BNHM422869 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ30055HY0W1X@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Pendleton wool cheap (was Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020711161307.00c88c90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020711140355.00d062b0@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:13:56 -0700 Status: RO >There are Pendleton outlets all over the country. Woo hoo! >The two in Nebraska >usually charge $1/lb for their reminants (which tend to be in pieces 2 >yards long or less, though I did luck out on one eight yard royal purple >herribone twill that had some dye flaws I can cut around)) and their rolls >range from $3 to $6/yd. They also have finished goods, including blankets >and clothing, both overstocks and seconds, all discounted. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 19:33:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15332 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:33:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6BNI1E15789; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BNI0423132; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6BNHL422864 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ30055HY0W1X@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia In-reply-to: <001101c22921$23bc5580$23a0f7c6@marnadav> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020711160853.00d09480@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:12:40 -0700 Status: RO >If it makes sense to you for on time/period place why not another? Because just because it could have happened doesn't prove that it did happen. >(just >curious and not meaning to be offensive or problematic...- maybe the ladies >got the idea from reading an Italian history? Just because one lived "out >west" in the 1880's did not mean they were uneducated or "wild" themselves) Trying not to be offensive or problematic too. And nobody ever said these women were uneducated. My family, in the wilds of the Territory of Montana in the 1880s, were as well read as they could manage. >I swear upon my honor >it was taken from a newspaper account in a book I read- but unfortunately it >was before I developed my survival instinct of being able to quote exactly >where I found stuff at, and was 2 moves and a divorce ago when I did that >particular research. I will eventually "refind" it but my time is rather >pressed at the moment. I believe you read something a while ago, and that only makes me want you to find it so we all can see it. I would, for example, like to find out which town, and which year, this article mentioned. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 21:31:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15900 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:31:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C1F6E22073; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C1F1400802; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C1En400734 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:14:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.128] (pm4-128.eos.net [205.133.149.128]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24411 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:14:46 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200207112210.g6BMA2420300@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: US fabric stores Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:14:44 -0400 Status: RO Ditto what Robin said. I just thought I'd add that another good way to look at Wal-Mart (a store I hate) is that it's sort of a mini-mall all in itself. The US had "variety stores" for decades, but Wal-Mart took the idea a whole level up by building truly giant stores that sold/sell everything you might possibly want, at inexpensive prices. So Wal-Marts are rather like small grocery stores, small clothing stores, small toy stores, small automotive stores, small fabric and craft stores, etc. all rolled into one. One of the SCA groups in our Barony (we're very unusual in that we have six groups) is located in a very small farm town in Northwest Ohio. The members get all their fabric at Wal-Mart. And while their clothes aren't exactly reenactment level, they have a wonderful time and they are searching for bargains. If they had to deal with a small-town independent store, I imagine that they would end up paying a lot more for the same sort of goods. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 22:25:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16034 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:25:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C291E24235; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C290414910; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C28S414810 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.206.137.103] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 89019918 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3D2E3A29.1000508@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010103030704000705080800" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:08:41 -0500 Status: RO --------------010103030704000705080800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if this will help, but www.silkconnection.com has heavy bridal satin (23 mm). Karen Robin Netherton wrote: >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > >>where do you find your silks online? I'd love to find some nice >>duschess satins.... >> > >Anatol's, which is local to me, carries duchess silk satins, and I believe >they have an online presence -- try http://www.bridalfabric.com . But >they're really expensive. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --------------010103030704000705080800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if this will help, but www.silkconnection.com has heavy bridal satin (23 mm).

Karen

Robin Netherton wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Heather Meadows wrote:

where do you find your silks online?  I'd love to find some nice
duschess satins....

Anatol's, which is local to me, carries duchess silk satins, and I believe
they have an online presence -- try http://www.bridalfabric.com . But
they're really expensive.

--Robin

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--------------010103030704000705080800-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Jul 11 23:47:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16260 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:47:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C3W2E27710; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C3W1404854; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C3VE404618 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.14.129] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 108352634 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:43:00 -0500 Message-ID: <012301c22944$e8e2fc60$810e8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <3D2C9456.19.158B6CB8@localhost> <3D2D82C5.314EDF5B@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] flax Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 20:39:05 -0500 Status: RO I mostly lurk, and I got a little behind reading, but I do remember someone asking for a source of flax seed in small quantities. Please contact me privately. I've grown flax and I've spun flax, but I've not spun my own home grown flax (yet). We have wild nettle weeds here, but I've not managed to harvest any to try and prepare it for spinning (yet). We also have hemp here, and I have spun hemp, but it was from a commercial source. In the USA it is a crime to have hemp plants in your possession, regardless of the intended use. The hemp that grows here (Iowa) is escaped varieties of cultivated rope hemp that was grown by farmers prior to WWII (I believe) and isn't any good for smoking anyway. So I'm told. :-) Ozzie landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 00:37:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16454 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C4L2E00284; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C4L1417324; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C4Ka417188 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsqh2.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.106.34] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Srv1-0005Tq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:20:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3D2E58BD.C166B30@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 14th Century French lady References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:19:09 -0500 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > from a practical standpoint, it's a royal nuisance to use a toilet when > you're wearing underwear beneath long, full skirts, and that nuisance > would be compounded to near impossibility with a chamberpot. By contrast, > without the encumbrance of underwear, chamberpot use in full skirts would > be simple -- straddle and squat. My great-grandmother (born 1899) told me a story of when she was a girl. She had to work in the potato fields in Maine and wore long skirts. She said they didn't wear underwear because it made it easier to relieve themselves in the field without having to walk over to bushes. --Charlene -- An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. --Anatole France _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 02:25:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30984 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:25:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C6A1E04326; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C6A0413174; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:10:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C69L413027 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 00:09:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-33qtnqd.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.223.77]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17StcC-0008Hs-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:09:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org (Unverified) Message-Id: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [SCA-U] CONF: Elizabeth's Body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:29:40 -0700 Status: RO This is NOT a costume conference, but I thought it might interest someone! >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:53:55 -0400 >From: Hope Greenberg >Subject: [SCA-U] CONF: Elizabeth's Body >To: SCA-UNIVERSITAS@LIST.UVM.EDU > >We are seeking a third panelist for a session on "Elizabeth's Aging >Body" to be proposed for *Elizabeth R.*, the conference >commemorating the 400th anniversary of the death of Queen Elizabeth >I to be held 21-23 March 2003 at Southern Illinois University >Edwardsville. > >We welcome papers that address representations of Elizabeth's body >during the last decade of her reign, and/or in the immediate aftermath of her >death. Topics might include the "mask of youth" or other >constructions of Elizabeth's >body in the propaganda of her later reign, visual or verbal >descriptions of the >queen's body as subject or not subject to time, discussions of >specific funeral or posthumous depictions, and/or the cultural >effects of the queen's aging on conceptions of the political or >natural body. > >Please send abstracts (250-300 words) by 26 July to: >Cora Fox , and Richelle Munkhoff >---------------------------- >Richelle Munkhoff >Assistant Professor >Department of English >Tulane University >New Orleans, LA 70118 >504-862-8171 (o) >504-862-8958 (f) >rmunkhof@tulane.edu -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 04:06:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13279 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C7ngE07061; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:49:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C7l0403260; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6C7kZ403160 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020712074634.17536.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:46:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5b.2a9993fc.2a5f5f6e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:46:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- BOSTONHAHN@aol.com wrote: > Another thing you might want to consider on your way to Germany from Calais: > France has many EXPENSIVE toll roads. I personally don't find them that expensive, but then I live in England... and I fully agree if you go to Germany, don't go via France if you come from Calais, but definitely via Belgium (use the Amsterdam route, not the Brussels and Liege one, unless it is late at night. Brussels ringroad is even more congested usually than Amsterdam) That's the route I always take, can you tell? :-) You might want to consider going via > Belgium and the Netherlands. You would end up close to Aachen when you come > into Germany. Oh yes, oh yes! Go and see Aachen! See Charlemagne's magnificent cathedral, go and have a fantastic coffee and warm apple strudel with vanilla ice and cream in the Alt Aachener Kaffeestuben right to the left of the medieval town hall in the town square. And please, plaese, give a greeting to Aachen from an expatriat who loved Aachen very much for the 12 years of living there. It is further mileagewise, but it might pay considering the > tolls! Hmm.. I actually find it not too bad, but then I always go via Aachen anyway. I also agree that you should definitely pay a visit to Bruge and to Ghent if possible. The rest of Belgium is, let's say, flat and deadly boring. :-) When we used to go to England that is the route we used to take, but > I also have to admit we were able to use military gas coupons in the > Netherlands which also made a major difference on gas prices. So before > mapping out your route check the Gad Prices as well as the toll costs. hehehe, once again I can only say, when you live in England you consider petrol prices CHEAP everywhere else. > Should you decide to go that route you must check out Aachen. It is the city > where the Emperors of The Roman Empire were crowned (Charles the great as we > Germans call him, etc.) It is worth the time. Not sure about which museums > there, but I am sure there are some you would not want to miss. The Couven museum is nice, and the treasure, you HAVE to see the cathedral treasure, they have changing exhibitions of textiles there! The Suermondt Ludwig museum is nice too. Don't forget to buy Aachener chocolate Printen. *drools* and you MUST have some Belgian fries with Belgian mayonnaise before you get to Aachen. Oh my, it's only early morning and I am already thinking about the great continental food. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 04:11:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20785 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C7tME07222; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C7qf404462; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:52:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6C7mR403633 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020712074827.42406.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:48:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:48:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > cloth and knitting yarn. Fabric shops in the UK are generally specialist > and found down obscure side-streets - never, ever in a mall! Was I just > very fortunate in the places I went? Ha, I can contradict you, there is a small one in the Chatham Pentagon shopping centre (something like a nmart I'd say) :-))) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 04:55:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27006 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:55:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6C8e4E09275; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C8bN415114; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6C8Sx413111 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 02:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA03725.; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:29:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:28:52 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Speaking of weeds.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6C8Sx413111 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:28:43 +0100 Status: RO Sue wrote: >>>I'd have to ask our local weed expert which type of tansy this is...it grows fairly tall, has feathery-looking leaves, and a kind of umbrella-shaped, composite flower head (reminds me of same sort of shape as, say, queen anne's lace, or dill), with bright yellow, round flowers no bigger than my thumb nail. Sounds like the tansy I know. The flowers are like little yellow buttons. I don't think we have tansy ragwort in the UK, but presumably it is so called because it belongs to the ragwort family but looks rather like tansy. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 09:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28282 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CD62E16899; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CD60413300; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6CD5L413077 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:05:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Fri Jul 12 08:05:00 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:05:01 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6CD5L413077 Subject: [h-cost] Jo Anns and Wal Mart Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:04:55 -0500 Status: RO We are lucky to have two of the big Jo Ann's Etc. in my area, altho they are on opposite sides of town. There are two smaller ones nearer to where I live. Availability of a particular fabric seems to be hit or miss, found some great linen blends left at one, nothing but bright or pastels at the others. Just means I have to visit them all on a regular basis to keep up with the inventory :). Wal-Mart has moved into town as well and sometimes they have some *great* bargains on the $1 or $2 tables. One year I made a killing on lightweight washable wool :). These bargains seem to be fewer and far between however and the new super Wal-Mart that open about a year and a half ago only has the pre-measured fabric, no cut-to-order on the bolts, yuk! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 09:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28429 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CDQ1E17936; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CDQ0418728; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6CDPK418546 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020712132519.51962.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:25:19 PDT From: kj green To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-868670239-1026480319=:45385" Subject: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-868670239-1026480319=:45385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I do look in the fabric department of every Wal-Mart that I happen to be in. You just never know what you're going to find on the dollar a yard racks. I've gotten 10 yards of a 60" wide black linen blend, 7 yards of a 36" wide moss green linen blend--treasures like that. And it's a great place if you're dressing teenagers for Pennsic (SCA)--2 weeks of camping means loads of clothing, especially for 2 girls! The reason that you're seeing fewer Piece Goods stores is that they were bought by Jo-Ann's several years ago. I also seem to remember that So-Fro has gone under too (all of the local ones have been gone for at least 5 years). I just hate going into the Jo-Ann's ETC. The fabric's overpriced and the clerks don't know where anything is outside of their own department. When Jo-Ann's got ready to open the ETC, they closed all of their other local stores. Aside from the ETC and Wal-Mart, there's nothing within an hour's drive in any direction from my house. The closest Hancock's is about 1-1/4 hours east of here. I did write to Hancock and suggested that they might want to consider opening a store in the area, but they said that they'd done a study and it just wasn't viable. I do think it's odd that there are NO Hancock stores in the area, though. They are in Cleveland (North), Youngstown (East), and in Columbus (2.5 hours South). Hmph! I think that they're afraid of Jo-Ann's--Jo-Ann's corporate headquarters are a little over an hour from here. But that's just my personal opinion. kate Robin Netherton wrote: *snip* In more urban areas where fabric is easier to come by, Wal-Mart is not the consumer's top choice for fabric shopping, so those stores often have a smaller fabric department or none at all. (In my metro area, I might pick up thread at Wal-Mart while I'm shopping there for something else, but I don't go there specifically for fabric, unless maybe I need cheap cotton.) As to mall stores, a few of the U.S. fabric store chains (So-Fro, Piece Goods) were often located in malls, but I see less and less of those these days. Most of the ones I know are in older malls and are well-established. The idea of three fabric stores in one mall does surprise me. Remember, too, there's a great difference between the mall culture of North America and that of the UK. We also have a large presence of "strip centers" -- collections of stores, often parallel to a road with a shared parking lot, that provide the advantage of clustered stores without the parking problems or expensive architecture of malls. Fabric stores often are located in these groupings. --Robin --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access --0-868670239-1026480319=:45385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I do look in the fabric department of every Wal-Mart that I happen to be in. You just never know what you're going to find on the dollar a yard racks. I've gotten 10 yards of a 60" wide black linen blend, 7 yards of a 36" wide moss green linen blend--treasures like that. And it's a great place if you're dressing teenagers for Pennsic (SCA)--2 weeks of camping means loads of clothing, especially for 2 girls!

The reason that you're seeing fewer Piece Goods stores is that they were bought by Jo-Ann's several years ago. I also seem to remember that So-Fro has gone under too (all of the local ones have been gone for at least 5 years).

I just hate going into the Jo-Ann's ETC. The fabric's overpriced and the clerks don't know where anything is outside of their own department. When Jo-Ann's got ready to open the ETC, they closed all of their other local stores. Aside from the ETC and Wal-Mart, there's nothing within an hour's drive in any direction from my house. The closest Hancock's is about 1-1/4 hours east of here.

I did write to Hancock and suggested that they might want to consider opening a store in the area, but they said that they'd done a study and it just wasn't viable. I do think it's odd that there are NO Hancock stores in the area, though. They are in Cleveland (North), Youngstown (East), and in Columbus (2.5 hours South). Hmph! I think that they're afraid of Jo-Ann's--Jo-Ann's corporate headquarters are a little over an hour from here. But that's just my personal opinion.

kate

  Robin Netherton <robin@shell.nightowl.net> wrote:

*snip*
In more urban areas where fabric is easier to come by, Wal-Mart is not the
consumer's top choice for fabric shopping, so those stores often have a
smaller fabric department or none at all. (In my metro area, I might pick
up thread at Wal-Mart while I'm shopping there for something else, but I
don't go there specifically for fabric, unless maybe I need cheap cotton.)

As to mall stores, a few of the U.S. fabric store chains (So-Fro, Piece
Goods) were often located in malls, but I see less and less of those these
days. Most of the ones I know are in older malls and are well-established.
The idea of three fabric stores in one mall does surprise me. Remember,
too, there's a great difference between the mall culture of North America
and that of the UK. We also have a large presence of "strip centers" --
collections of stores, often parallel to a road with a shared parking lot,
that provide the advantage of clustered stores witho! ut the parking
problems or expensive architecture of malls. Fabric stores often are
located in these groupings.

--Robin


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Interesting. A few years ago Wal-Mart was thinking about changing all of their stores to pre-cuts only. There was such an overwhelmingly negative response from the public that they decided against doing it.

I hope that they're not changing their mind.

kate

  Catherine Kinsey <Ckinsey@kumc.edu> wrote:

Wal-Mart has moved into town as well and sometimes they have some *great* bargains on the $1 or $2 tables. One year I made a killing on lightweight washable wool :). These bargains seem to be fewer and far between however and the new super Wal-Mart that open about a year and a half ago only has the pre-measured fabric, no cut-to-order on the bolts, yuk!


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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:22:23 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO I'm reading Margareta Nockert's _Bockstenmannen och hans dräkt_ these days, and although I understand most of it fine since I speak Norwegian, I'm stumped when it comes to specialized terms for types of stitches and suchlike. (Also, so much of my research comes from English books that I know English terminology better on some points - hopeless when I'm talking to other Norwegians. :) ) So I was wondering if anyone out there could translate a few things for me? The words I'm wondering about are: smygsöm förstygn efterstygn kaststygn also, I'm not positive that I understand how the seams are finished: "Alla sömmar, utom de där stadkant ligger mot stadkant, är sydda med dubbla sömmar. Tygstyckerna har först satts ihop, sedan har båda sömsmånerna vikts åt samma håll och sytts ned mot tyget. Fållarna längs nederkant, ärmlinningar och halsrigning är sydda med enkel vikning. Vilken typ av stygn som använts till de olika sömmarna är svårt att bedömma på grund av det stora antalet stygnmärken i tyget. Möjligen har sömmarna sytts ihop med för- eller efterstygn och sedan har sömsmånerna sytts ned mot tyget med förstygn eller kastestygn. Vid återmonteringen syddes alla sömmar med smygsöm og sömsmånerna kastades fast åt det håll de strävade. Fållerna gick til skillnad mot sömmarna att sy i de ursprungliga stygnhålen. De har sannolikt varit sydda med kaststygn, vilket också gjordes vid återmonteringen." The way I read this, both seam allowances have been double-folded together and turned to the same side, while the hems are single-folded. Or are the seam allowances single-folded as well? Also, I'm wondering if there's any other documentation from around this period for both seam allowances being turned down together and not separately - the book isn't clear on whether the seam allowances were just put back the way they were assembled i 1936 or if there was any change. It does say that the seam allowances were sewed down together in the direction they leaned (strävade), but that may well be from more than 35 years of being bent that way. I don't have access to any of the sources she lists for stitches right now, so I thought I'd ask. :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 13:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29398 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:03:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CGl3E03433; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CGl1417643; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6CGkI417192 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12663 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 16:46:18 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 16:46:18 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-101-225.sonic.net [209.148.101.225]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g6CGkHr07235 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:46:17 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3D2F08E8.B73705E5@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Source for reproduction jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:50:49 -0700 Status: RO I recently discovered this web site: Janeliunas Jewelry http://www.jansjewells.com/reproduction.htm They sell Victorian and Art Deco reproductions, originals (see their home page), and supplies and findings. I ordered two of their Victorian repro pieces, which I have not yet received. The pictures, at least, look stunning. The site owner is very helpful. I don't want to pierce my ears, so I only buy earrings that have screw backs (or that I can have converted to them). She contacted the manufacturer, then offered me a choice of two styles of screw back fastenings they can put on for me. She says she still has more pieces to put up on her site, though they may be for her Art Deco line. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 13:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29485 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CH75E05211; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CH74427622; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6CH6l427490 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14470 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2002 17:06:46 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2002 17:06:46 -0000 Received: from lavoltapress.com (dial-209-148-101-225.sonic.net [209.148.101.225]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g6CH6kb27291; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:06:46 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3D2F0DB5.F1535E82@lavoltapress.com> From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com, vintage@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Another source for reproduction jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:11:17 -0700 Status: RO The London Victorian Ring Company http://www.london-victorian-ring.com/ I have never bought from this company. Their stock is "fine" jewelry, only rings are shown, and they probably sell mostly to the bridal market. The styles shown are Victorian, Edwardian, and Art Deco. They are quite attractive--and possibly some list members are about to get married. Fran --------------------------------------------- Visit our web pages! Books on historic costume and vintage clothes http://www.lavoltapress.com Historic and vintage dance http://www.lavoltapress.com/dance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 13:53:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29652 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CHb2E07947; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CHb1413766; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CHa7413304 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:36:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip223.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.223] (may be forged)) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6CHa3M17504 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D2EB29F.1316.1DD20A37@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:42:39 -0700 Status: RO > I'm surprised to hear most towns are so short of fabric shops - since > I was completely stunned to find fabric in Wal-Mart in the middle of > Connecticut last year. Fabric in a supermarket? (We needed to do > quick curtains for the windows in the front and side doors of our > rented apartments - a yard of fabric and a bit of masking tape was OK > for a week or two). And in one mall in Quebec there were three shops > selling cloth and knitting yarn. Fabric shops in the UK are generally > specialist and found down obscure side-streets - never, ever in a > mall! Was I just very fortunate in the places I went? Oh, yes. Over the last several years we have lost a lot of our fabric stores. More and more of them are going to fabrics which are really not good for much but curtains or quilts. Now, my main "fabric run" consists of Mill Ends, Fabric Depot, a couple of JoAnn's, the Pendleton woolen mill and maybe a side trip to one of the more esoteric places such as Josephine's Dry Goods, Daisy Kingdom, Calico Corners Interiors or The Whole Nine Yards. It used to be that I also had June's Dry Goods in Lake Oswego (who carried a completely different line of stuff than Josephine's who is very upscale), Jennie's Yardstick in Beaverton, Fabricland (several), Hancock's (several) and another one who's name is escaping me right now. These were all huge stores with interesting, large inventories. That's in less than 10 years that they have disappeared. (Some bought out then abandoned, some retired.) It appears that the "home sewer" is less common and less descriminating, so there is no "need" for so many fabric stores. Also, there's a lot of on-line stuff with whom they can't compete. It won't be long before all we'll have is the out of the way tiny places when you want to actually touch and see the drape of a piece of fabric before you buy it. (Touching a sample will help, but no tiny piece is going to tell me the drape and hand of a particular piece.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 13:53:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29657 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CHbIE07972; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CHbI413962; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CHaH413385 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip223.174-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.174.223] (may be forged)) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6CHaAM17569 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:36:11 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pendleton wool cheap (was Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Message-ID: <3D2EB29F.9575.1DD20999@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3D2D89F4.BEFC5B6D@in-tch.com> In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020711140355.00d062b0@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:42:39 -0700 Status: RO > Try the Pendleton Wool outlet in Washugal, WA. The 800 number is > 1-800-568-2480. Call them to find out what they've got, how much it > is, and how they can get it to you. Feel free to pass this number > around - I got it off their flyer in their store. > > I've been there in person (it's across the river from Portland, > Oregon), and the remnant section has bins of 1.5 to 3 yard pieces of > wool fabric in several weights and colours. These will cost anywhere > from $1.50/yd. to $5/yd. The selection of colours will be limited, so > ask the person on the phone what they have, and how much of it there > is, in how big pieces. They may have anything from winter-coat-weight > to summer-suit-weight. They can arrange to ship your fabric to you. As a regular Washougal customer (it's about a 15 minute drive from my house), I don't know if I'd trust them to ship it to me. Since the fabrics are all irregulars, you don't know whether you will be getting the stuff which is only irregular because it is 1" too wide or too narrow, or whether you will get stuff with great hunken holes all the way along it. I watch them like a hawk when it is rolled out, since sometimes the hole will appear at just the wrong minute. Most of the time lately, the cost is $3 a yard but you can sometimes get a full 20yard bolt. They have some special stuff (usually weird brocades) for $10 a yard. While it is an excellent source, I don't feel that it's wise to shop for this one shipped without looking at it first, unless they give you some sort of guarentee. (Frankly, the bolts are so inexpensive these days that I just don't bother with the remnants. When I want wool, I usually want a minimum of 6 yards at a time.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 14:17:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29764 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:17:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CI04E10067; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CI02426038; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CHx5425541 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ500ECDDYGF2@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets In-reply-to: <20020712132519.51962.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020712100727.00d0da90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:10:50 -0700 Status: RO >The reason that you're seeing fewer Piece Goods stores is that they were >bought by Jo-Ann's several years ago. I also seem to remember that So-Fro >has gone under too (all of the local ones have been gone for at least 5 >years). I used to work at New York Fabrics (unrelated to the state of New York), and quit shortly after Jo-Anns bought them out. The first thing they did was rip out the carpet, and our feet started hurting right after that. I haven't willingly been in a Jo-Anns since. But that's ancient history. (Fortunately there are other fabric stores in my area.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 15:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30378 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:53:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CJajE17762; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CJag414715; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:36:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CJV9411893 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.44.215]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020712193057.FHXG15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:30:57 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712114741.00a36ec0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets In-Reply-To: <200207121802.g6CI2A427396@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:02:26 -0700 Status: RO I live in Los Angeles the San Fernando Valley. The only fabric stores we have in the Valley are JoAnn's. The ETC store is interesting, but I absolutely loathe the smaller stores. They've closed a lot of them, and the few that are left are expensive, badly stocked, and staffed (mostly) arrogant incompetents. That pretty much reflects the attitude of the company itself, I feel. I really hate shopping there, but I can't run downtown every time I need a spool of thread, or a yard of ribbon. About the only worthwhile thing at JoAnns is their periodic sale on patterns when they sell all patterns except Vogue for 99 cents. I know I'm lucky to live reasonably close to downtown Los Angeles and the garment district there. I can't imagine what I'd do if the only access to fabric I had was JoAnns. That's a scary thought! We've got two WalMarts, but they're both the "town" version, with very limited fabric supplies. I check there every time I'm in one, but I've never found anything particularly special there. The nearest Hancocks to me is about 50 miles away. Idon't think I've ever been in one. I did write to them suggesting this area was ripe and ready for a Hancocks, especially since JoAnns has closed so many stores in the Valley. After about 4 months they responded and said their location scout was going to be in Southern California in the near future and did I have any specific areas to suggest they look at. I emailed detailed specifics (there's a brand new mall opened in Burbank, that's absolutely huge, and is the perfect place for a fabric store) so we'll see if anything happens. I mean, the Valley alone has a population of 1.6 million people - three regular JoAnn's and one ETC store is not enough! There's plenty of room for competition. Maybe if there WERE some competition JoAnns would be forced to clean up their act. Julie At 11:02 AM 7/12/2002, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 06:25:19 -0700 (PDT) >From: kj green >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >--0-868670239-1026480319=:45385 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > I do look in the fabric department of every Wal-Mart that I happen to be > in. You just never know what you're going to find on the dollar a yard > racks. I've gotten 10 yards of a 60" wide black linen blend, 7 yards of a > 36" wide moss green linen blend--treasures like that. And it's a great > place if you're dressing teenagers for Pennsic (SCA)--2 weeks of camping > means loads oof clothing, especially for 2 girls! >The reason that you're seeing fewer Piece Goods stores is that they were >bought by Jo-Ann's several years ago. I also seem to remember that So-Fro >has gone under too (all of the local ones have been gone for at least 5 years). >I just hate going into the Jo-Ann's ETC. The fabric's overpriced and the >clerks don't know where anything is outside of their own department. When >Jo-Ann's got ready to open the ETC, they closed all of their other local >stores. Aside from the ETC and Wal-Mart, there's nothing within an hour's >drive in any direction from my house. The closest Hancock's is about 1-1/4 >hours east of here. >I did write to Hancock and suggested that they might want to consider >opening a store in the area, but they said that they'd done a study and it >just wasn't viable. I do think it's odd that there are NO Hancock stores >in the area, though. They are in Cleveland (North), Youngstown (East), and >in Columbus (2.5 hours South). Hmph! I think that they're afraid of >Jo-Ann's--Jo-Ann's corporate headquarters are a little over an hour from >here. But that's just my personal opinion. >kate > Robin Netherton wrote: >*snip* >In more urban areas where fabric is easier to come by, Wal-Mart is not the >consumer's top choice for fabric shopping, so those stores often have a >smaller fabric department or none at all. (In my metro area, I might pick >up thread at Wal-Mart while I'm shopping there for something else, but I >don't go there specifically for fabric, unless maybe I need cheap cotton.) > >As to mall stores, a few of the U.S. fabric store chains (So-Fro, Piece >Goods) were often located in malls, but I see less and less of those these >days. Most of the ones I know are in older malls and are well-established. >The idea of three fabric stores in one mall does surprise me. Remember, >too, there's a great difference between the mall culture of North America >and that of the UK. We also have a large presence of "strip centers" -- >collections of stores, often parallel to a road with a shared parking lot, >that provide the advantage of clustered stores without the parking >problems or expensive architecture of malls. Fabric stores often are >located in these groupings. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 18:32:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31402 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:32:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CMG4E00617; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CMG1404554; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:16:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CMFX404343 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.159] (as3-4-173.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.159]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g6CMFUK08508 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swedish terminology, Bocksten man? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6CMFX404343 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:14:52 -0700 Status: RO >I'm reading Margareta Nockert's _Bockstenmannen och hans dräkt_ these >days, and although I understand most of it fine since I speak Norwegian, >I'm stumped when it comes to specialized terms for types of stitches and >suchlike. (Also, so much of my research comes from English books that >I know English terminology better on some points - hopeless when I'm >talking to other Norwegians. :) ) So I was wondering if anyone out there >could translate a few things for me? The words I'm wondering about are: >smygsöm >förstygn >efterstygn >kaststygn Unfortunately, none of these happen to be in the Swedish booklet on medieval embroidery I have -- although it confirms that both "-söm" and "-stygn" seem roughly equivalent to "-stitch" in the sense of identifying a particular type of sewing (which you probably already knew). But just on the off chance that this may be useful to someone else, the booklet is "Prydnadssömmar under medeltiden" by Anne Marie Franzen (Kungl. Vitterhets Historie och Antikvitets Akademien, Stockholm, 1997). The stitch names (which have accompanying diagrams) are: Stjälksöm -- stem stitch Klyvsöm -- split stitch Plattsöm -- seems to include a couple things we'd distinguish in English, including satin stitch and a couple I don't know the names or off the top of my head (a satin-type stitch, but where you just catch under a thread at the end of each stitch, leaving virtually no thread showing on the back; and a sort of back-stitch producing two rows of offset straight stitches -- I ought to know the name of this one) Atlassöm -- this is a satin stitch done in rows with each row slightly overlapping the neighboring ones (with the stitches going in between those of the next row, not splitting them) Schattersöm -- this is what I think is called "short and long", i.e., like the previous, but with stitches of irregular lengths, especially used when shading Korssöm -- cross-stitch; the diagram shows a short-armed cross-stitch Tvistsöm -- the diagram shows a fairly tightly worked herring-bone stitch done in close-packed rows, maybe even in a counted-thread fashion, the accompanying pictures show it being used to solidly cover the ground fabric. It's unclear to me how much of this is part of the definition of the stitch.The work _almost_ looks like a long-armed cross stitch, but the diagram shows herringbone very clearly. Förstygn och rutsöm -- from the diagram and photographs, this seems to be describing counted double-running stitch (i.e. "Holbein stitch") work Vävsöm -- counted pattern darning Neddragen läggsöm -- underside couching Vanlig läggsöm -- topside couching; the diagram and photo both show the couching done in patterns, but it's unclear that the name of the stitch necessarily implies this Dubbel läggsöm -- laid-and-couched work Lasursöm -- or nué; i.e., patterned topside couching where the couching thread "shades" the metallic thread So, totally useless for the immediate question, but maybe useful to someone else. >also, I'm not positive that I understand how the seams are finished: > >"Alla sömmar, utom de där stadkant ligger mot stadkant, är sydda med >dubbla sömmar. Tygstyckerna har först satts ihop, sedan har båda >sömsmånerna vikts åt samma håll och sytts ned mot tyget. Fållarna längs >nederkant, ärmlinningar och halsrigning är sydda med enkel vikning. >Vilken typ av stygn som använts till de olika sömmarna är svårt att >bedömma på grund av det stora antalet stygnmärken i tyget. Möjligen har >sömmarna sytts ihop med för- eller efterstygn och sedan har sömsmånerna >sytts ned mot tyget med förstygn eller kastestygn. Vid återmonteringen >syddes alla sömmar med smygsöm og sömsmånerna kastades fast åt det håll >de strävade. Fållerna gick til skillnad mot sömmarna att sy i de >ursprungliga stygnhålen. De har sannolikt varit sydda med kaststygn, >vilket också gjordes vid återmonteringen." > >The way I read this, both seam allowances have been double-folded >together and turned to the same side, while the hems are single-folded. >Or are the seam allowances single-folded as well? Also, I'm wondering if >there's any other documentation from around this period for both seam >allowances being turned down together and not separately - the book >isn't clear on whether the seam allowances were just put back the way >they were assembled i 1936 or if there was any change. It does say that >the seam allowances were sewed down together in the direction they >leaned (strävade), but that may well be from more than 35 years of being >bent that way. I don't have access to any of the sources she lists for >stitches right now, so I thought I'd ask. :) If it's any help, when I was researching constructional sewing in archaeological clothing, by far the "default" seam for joining woolen fabric on structural seams was something that comes out looking a bit like a flat felled seam, except that the sewing is overcasting along the folded edge, rather than a running stitch through all the layers. That is, the fabric goes something like: ____________________ ______ ________| |______________________ with each folded edge overcast to the other fabric. I'm wondering if this could possible correlate with "double-folded together and turned to the same side". Although it's from an earlier century, Hägg's book on the textiles from Hedeby has some fairly exhaustive diagrams of the variety of constructional stitches found in that material, and some of them seem to involve a "sew right sides together, then flatten the allowance and top-stitch" type of approach. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 19:53:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA32195 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6CNc2E05792; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CNc0407712; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6CNbB407468 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ500IHHTLWOA@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swedish terminology, Bocksten man? In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020712162912.00c93c40@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6CNbB407468 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:36:47 -0700 Status: RO >>I'm reading Margareta Nockert's _Bockstenmannen och hans dräkt_ these >>Unfortunately, none of these happen to be in the Swedish booklet on >>medieval embroidery I have I am going to archive your list for the future. I may find a book on Swedish ethnic embroidery some day, at which time the list will be invaluable. The closest I ever got to Scandinavian stitches, in their native language, was a book on crochet, written in Finnish (in the 1960s, so the crochet bridal crowns in it are historical costume). I managed to parse out the basics from the how-to section in the first few pages. Between that, and the really great close-up pictures, I can sort-of crochet in that language. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 20:42:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32743 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:42:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6D0R3E08138; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6D0R1421956; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes4.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6D0Qb421837 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Fri Jul 12 17:26:20 2002 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets X-Sender-Ip: 149.169.40.83 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:26:20 -0400 Status: RO On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:11:34 jane wrote: >Victoria Wickens wrote : > > >> Acetate-Nylon is typically what you find being sold in Jo-Anne's for >> $20+. > >Errm.. what's a "Jo-Anne's"? Is being sold there a good thing or a bad thing? > A American fabric/craft store chain. As they are a modern fabric store the usefulness of their fabric for historical costuming varies and what proportion of their stock is useful varies from store to store. >Although possibly the world "nylon" tells me all I need to know. >Even as a beginner, I suspect that the amount of that used in >medieval times was quite low. What *was* velvet made from? Cotton? >And is the "real thing" even vaguely affordable now? > IIRC it was made out of silk, I don't know when cotton velvet (velveteen) became avalible. Dharma Trading Company (www.dharma.com) sells silk/rayon velvet (silk pile, rayon ground) for $10/yard iirc. I haven't seen 100% silk velvet, so I don't know how it compares. -Katie --- I was actually at Woodstock. That was a weird gig. I fed off a flowerperson, and I spent the next six hours watchin' my hand move. -Spike _____________________________________________________ Supercharge your e-mail with a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and NoTaglines --> LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Jul 12 22:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01560 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:32:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6D2H5E12395; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:17:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6D2H1418986; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6D2G2418770 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wolfeml ([12.230.249.75]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020713021557.YWBX24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@wolfeml> for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 02:15:57 +0000 Message-ID: <005f01c22a12$3eb01420$4bf9e60c@attbi.com> From: "Gia_Gavino" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C229D7.8FCBC9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] New Email! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:08:52 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C229D7.8FCBC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all! I've got a new email address! I've got the old one still, but that will = end in January. As soon as I can get online in that address, I can = unsub the old address. Looking forward to continuing reading this list! Gia/Giacinta ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C229D7.8FCBC9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C229F0.BC5A7590-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 06:53:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16413 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DAc3E27628; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DAc1400876; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DAbV400794 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 04:37:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lindo (ip179.sns.du.radix.net [207.192.133.179]) by saltmine.radix.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g6DAbSV3014180 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200207131037.g6DAbSV3014180@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: lindo@saltmine.radix.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kevin + Mara Riley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia In-Reply-To: <001101c22921$23bc5580$23a0f7c6@marnadav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 06:34:45 -0400 Status: RO At 04:22 PM 7/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >If it makes sense to you for on time/period place why not another? (just >curious and not meaning to be offensive or problematic...- maybe the ladies >got the idea from reading an Italian history? Just because one lived "out >west" in the 1880's did not mean they were uneducated or "wild" themselves) I don't think that's the problem... I guess what we're reacting to is the tendency for someone to hear one thing (i.e., one Western town did this) and apply it to the whole of the West, or America, or all time: anyone wearing a yellow dress is a prostitute. But one can hardly help someone else taking a snippet of misunderstood information and running with it! -- Mara Kevin + Mara Riley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 10:24:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18551 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:24:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DE83E02962; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DE81411612; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DE7P411494 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ6004RWXWBXI@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia In-reply-to: <200207131037.g6DAbSV3014180@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020713061138.00c8abf0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001101c22921$23bc5580$23a0f7c6@marnadav> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:07:05 -0700 Status: RO > >If it makes sense to you for on time/period place why not another? (just > >curious and not meaning to be offensive or problematic...- maybe the ladies > >got the idea from reading an Italian history? Just because one lived "out > >west" in the 1880's did not mean they were uneducated or "wild" themselves) > >I don't think that's the problem... I guess what we're reacting to is the >tendency for someone to hear one thing (i.e., one Western town did this) >and apply it to the whole of the West, or America, or all time: anyone >wearing a yellow dress is a prostitute. But one can hardly help someone >else taking a snippet of misunderstood information and running with it! Or one can acquire the habit of recognizing imprecision when one sees it, again, and double-checking at that point. I really like to know what I am talking about, so I ask a lot of questions to that end. I like being able to claim to 'know' things. And the older I get the less often I am able to make that claim, and the more questions I ask. So I'd really like, for example, to read the article this person read about the wearing of yellow by prostitutes, because if it could have happened, maybe this is the place it did happen. Archaic laws are find-able, if one knows where to look, and if I have a town and date to target, maybe I can find this one. Then I can claim to know about one law in one town in one set of years. (I'm trying to work out an idea here, so bear with me as I try to define it so you know what I'm thinking.) Different people have different concepts of preciseness. Two people will look at thing 'a' and thing 'b' and have differing opinions on how closely they correspond, point-to-point. One will say 'they're alike', and the other will say 'they differ in the following respects'. Some are used to a certain amount of imprecision, and will say 'they did this back then'. Others will have learned to say 'this group did this one thing on or about this date', or 'I read an article that claimed this group did this one thing on or about this date'. One will say 'it's close enough', and the other will say 'it's not very close because of this or that detail'. How precisely a reproduced historical costume corresponds with a surviving historical example, be it a painting or an actual garment, is an example of what I am thinking here. For example, one docent says 'that looks old timey', and is satisfied with the correspondence. Another docent, tape measure in hand, will say things like 'the sleeves are not wide enough', etc., and will not be satisfied with the correspondence. It is not my intention to get rude here and call people names. But it is my intention to point out imprecision if I think I see it, in my quest for a little more preciseness in my own 'act' (as in, 'clean up my own act'). I do re-enactment in the various 'Wild West' periods, have heard several rumors about yellow and prostitutes, and would like to have an actual historical fact to add to the next conversation I hear about this topic. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 10:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18573 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:25:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DEA1E03043; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DEA1412061; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DE9l411998 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZ6004PZY0AYY@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia In-reply-to: <200207131037.g6DAbSV3014180@saltmine.radix.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020713070807.00cd4b30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001101c22921$23bc5580$23a0f7c6@marnadav> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:09:43 -0700 Status: RO > >If it makes sense to you for on time/period place why not another? (just > >curious and not meaning to be offensive or problematic...- maybe the ladies > >got the idea from reading an Italian history? Just because one lived "out > >west" in the 1880's did not mean they were uneducated or "wild" themselves) > >I don't think that's the problem... I guess what we're reacting to is the >tendency for someone to hear one thing (i.e., one Western town did this) >and apply it to the whole of the West, or America, or all time: anyone >wearing a yellow dress is a prostitute. But one can hardly help someone >else taking a snippet of misunderstood information and running with it! I just finished the long-winded version, and sent it, so now the short-winded version comes to me clear: I wanted to know, and she didn't tell me at all precisely, and I still want to know. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 11:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19345 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:31:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DFG5E05384; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DFG3425947; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DFF6425712 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust243.tnt7.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.120.243] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17TObv-0006E2-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:15:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c22a80$640f4ce0$f378e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] different velvets/finding fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:17:22 -0500 Status: RO In the states unfortunately it seems to be where you live. Here in Missouri you can find fabric in Walmart, its a discount store/supermarket. The main fabric stores in the St Louis area are Hancock's, JoAnn's, and a few locally owned/run such as FashionFabrics, Jackmann's, Eunice Farmer, Anatol's, Sew I Seams. And, yes years ago, there were a few fabric stores in the malls. But then department stores like Penney's and Sear's used to have fabric departments up til about the mid to late 70's. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 11:34:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19393 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DFJ2E05513; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DFJ1426606; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DFIT426495 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 09:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust243.tnt7.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.229.120.243] helo=hppav) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17TOfD-0006et-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 11:18:27 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c22a80$dde136a0$f378e541@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] different velvets/finding fabric Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:20:45 -0500 Status: RO Robin, you give a much better description than I did. Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 16:25:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22747 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:25:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DKA4E17096; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DKA2407881; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f189.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.189]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DK6d407078 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:06:34 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:06:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 20:06:34.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9781E40:01C22AA8] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:06:33 -0700 Status: RO In other words, we're back to "Ruritanians wore purple feathers on St. Elstrid's Day." :) MaggiRos >From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:07:05 -0700 > > >> >If it makes sense to you for on time/period place why not another? (just >> >curious and not meaning to be offensive or problematic...- maybe the >>ladies >> >got the idea from reading an Italian history? Just because one lived >>"out >> >west" in the 1880's did not mean they were uneducated or "wild" >>themselves) >> >>I don't think that's the problem... I guess what we're reacting to is the >>tendency for someone to hear one thing (i.e., one Western town did this) >>and apply it to the whole of the West, or America, or all time: anyone >>wearing a yellow dress is a prostitute. But one can hardly help someone >>else taking a snippet of misunderstood information and running with it! > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 17:32:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23496 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:32:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DLH2E19685; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DLH1423353; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DLCW422360 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A84F93601F4; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:14:55 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c22ab2$00aedbc0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <001101c22921$23bc5580$23a0f7c6@marnadav> <4.3.1.2.20020713070807.00cd4b30@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:12:31 -0400 Status: RO Okay, this was my fault for reading something fast and not quoting it. I was just trying to lighten things up on the list with some trivia. I tend to scan read, and messed this one up. My apologies to all. I can understand about Marna Jean not having the source on hand since it was research from years ago. It would be nice to have the source, especially since I research color, but I can understand losing documentation and in your earlier days of not documenting something properly. Many of the old timers on the list, knew that I was compiling color names and trends over 18 fashion periods. I had a database with over 3,000 colors names and was planning to write a book with the information. I documented even down to the library that I found the source. Sadly, my computer crashed two years ago and I lost the entire database. We could find everything backed up from the computer but the database. I was so upset and still am. I worked three years on this project and lost it all. The only thing that I have left is my first Excel sheets with 6 months of research. The spreadsheet cut off the sources of the colors. EK! Now, I remember a lot of the names and trends but do not remember the sources. Should I never speak of my findings because I no longer have a list of the documentation sources? I hope not. Since the crash, I had no inspiration to work on my research again. I was really heartbroken. Last weekend, I found some old disks and searched each one praying there was a copy of my database. No luck! This past week, I received a Paris designer book from the 1922, that provides lots of fashion color names for the major designers. So this has given me a little inspiration to maybe add to what is left of my research. BTW, yes, I have learned to backup any project that I am working on. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 18:25:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24090 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:25:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DMA3E21261; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DMA2404988; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.60]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DM7c404500 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:07:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:07:33 -0700 Received: from 24.55.6.126 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:07:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.55.6.126] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2002 22:07:33.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[B00F8A40:01C22AB9] Subject: [h-cost] OT: My novel! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:07:32 -0700 Status: RO I know this is off-topic, but I just have to share this with you all! I just got off the phone with a small publisher I happen to know, and well, they want to publish my first novel! Complete details of covers, design, pub date and all that are still pending, but wheeeeeee!!! I'm SO excited, I can't stand it!!! Doing the Happy Dance in L.A. Wheeeeeee! MaggiRos Obligatory costume content: Everyone in the novel wears 17th century clothes, many of which are taken directly from pictures posted on Nicole Kipar's website. :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 18:44:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24313 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DMT5E21945; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DMT3409106; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6DMPC408394 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020713222512.60123.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:25:12 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: My novel! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:25:12 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Maggie Secara wrote: > > MaggiRos > Obligatory costume content: Everyone in the novel wears 17th century > clothes, many of which are taken directly from pictures posted on Nicole > Kipar's website. :) Ohhhh, the honour, the honour! Congratulations maggiRos! Nicole - happy to be of service *grins* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 18:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24320 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:44:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6DMTJE21964; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DMTJ409160; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:29:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6DMRN408773 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020713222717.WLVE29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:27:17 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c22abc$70b0ac00$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020709184449.00a2ee40@postoffice.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution In Fashion book) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:27:14 -0700 Status: RO I'm assuming everyone found the Kyoto Costume Institute's digital collections, but in case you didn't, they have some great photos of costumes from their collection at: http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/collset-e.html - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 20:26:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26014 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:26:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6E0B3E25543; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E0B1402514; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E081401858 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip80.access-one.com [198.247.160.80]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6E07wf32683 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c22aca$822c58e0$50a0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume Trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:07:46 -0500 Status: RO I know it is very nice to have the source- once again- I mainly introduced the fact into my class because most ladies will quote the "proper ladies don't wear red" thing back at you when you ask about "proper" and "improper" Victorian clothing- its one of those reenactorisms that someone started and is hard to overthrow. I mearly told them that the only color I knew that had been associated with prostitutes in that era was yellow- and that one town had made a law requiring yellow hairbows and the "doves" retaliated by wearing all yellow. So if they were going to pick a "color" for the soiled doves they would be more correct to pick yellow than to pick red. I did also state that the upper class prostitutes would also be most likely to be pretty well dressed the same as the proper ladies of town. Something that comes up in several sources is proper ladies trying to make sure that the soiled doves were set apart from them. Therefore, when I did the original research,- the yellow bow thing did not seem out of the ordinary. I did make particular note of it at the time because we were writing a skit for competition that revolved around the ladies and saloon girls interaction in a town- so that's why it stuck and why I'm quite sure I didn't "mis-remember"- sadly I don't have access to the library that I know I got the original book from- (or I'd just go browse the shelves)and it was a small country library to boot- so no interlibrary loan, etc., etc.... I too, am very fond of being able to "know" something or at least where to look for it- and it upsets me greatly I can not find the book again (I can tell you which ones it is NOT in on the subject!- I re-read several here lately to "refresh my memory" in preparation for class- ha!) I am a big fan of "on the average"- something a lot of reenactors of my period like to leave out and don't like to "prove something" with just one quote or source(otherwise I have this tintype of this wild looking hairstyle from the early bustle era). However, because this was such a hushed profession it makes any information all that much harder to find. It is rather tooth grinding to research, and what I have found is most towns in the old west instead of totally outlawing prostitution, had a tendency to tax and fine it heavily and make all manner of rules and regulations- some quite bizarre- In 1868 in San Antonio Texas the "town fathers" literally "drove" the prostitutes out of the town limits- with no food or shelter. Women would write to local papers complaining of "incursions of the vilest elements of the community" when housing bans on brothel locations were lifted(Tombstone, AZ 1882) and ask incredulously whether they were supposed to just "invite them to our homes, our social circles...?" (Cheyenne, WY 1870) -(from Anne Butler's Daughters of Joy, Sisters of Misery). There were some pretty strange laws on the book- I'm not saying it was universal- just that it had occurred. All I want it the acceptance that it might have been a possibility considering other similar laws concerning prostitutes. MJ . Archaic laws are find-able, if one knows where to look, and >if I have a town and date to target, maybe I can find this one. Then I can >claim to know about one law in one town in one set of years. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 20:26:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26023 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6E0BLE25567; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E0BL402608; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:11:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E0AW402415 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.d5.1a232bd0 (3956) for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:10:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re:[h-cost] Fabric Prices To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d5.1a232bd0.2a621b6e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:10:22 EDT Status: RO --part1_d5.1a232bd0.2a621b6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Hard questions to answer... I'd say my fabric choices have gotten better in the sense that I now know from experience which types of fabric really "work" for certain styles -- i.e. drape correctly, hold their shape, etc. Also, I've found many websites and other sources over the years that reduced my costs per yard. This means I can afford to buy better fabrics for the same prices (or cheaper!) than I was paying for lesser fabrics in my college years. So, have my costs gone down? Probably not. Since I can afford to buy more fabric at the cheaper prices, I now make my skirts more full -- which means I buy more yardage. Plus, I'm finding my new fascination with embellishment means I spend more on trims and beads than I do on the fabric for an outfit. And now I can afford accessories... which gets me into even more trouble! How to I keep myself out of bankruptcy, then, and still get my sewing fix? Well, I became a seamstress. Now I sew other people's fabric at other people's expense and get paid to do it! Ha ha! (laughing at myself) I also find that if I work 35 hrs a week sewing, I tend not to want to sew as much on my off days. That means I go through my stash much slower and can't justify buying more fabric. --Gillian --part1_d5.1a232bd0.2a621b6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<I was just wondering how have your spending habits changed over time while you have been costuming?  Have your spending habits gone up or down?  Also, your fabric choices; better, worse?>>

Hard questions to answer...  I'd say my fabric choices have gotten better in the sense that I now know from experience which types of fabric really "work" for certain styles -- i.e. drape correctly, hold their shape, etc.  Also, I've found many websites and other sources over the years that reduced my costs per yard.  This means I can afford to buy better fabrics for the same prices (or cheaper!) than I was paying for lesser fabrics in my college years.  So, have my costs gone down?  Probably not.  Since I can afford to buy more fabric at the cheaper prices, I now make my skirts more full -- which means I buy more yardage.  Plus, I'm finding my new fascination with embellishment means I spend more on trims and beads than I do on the fabric for an outfit.  And now I can afford accessories... which gets me into even more trouble! 

How to I keep myself out of bankruptcy, then, and still get my sewing fix?  Well, I became a seamstress.  Now I sew other people's fabric at other people's expense and get paid to do it!  Ha ha! (laughing at myself)  I also find that if I work 35 hrs a week sewing, I tend not to want to sew as much on my off days.  That means I go through my stash much slower and can't justify buying more fabric.

--Gillian

 --part1_d5.1a232bd0.2a621b6e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 21:13:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26787 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:13:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6E0w4E26942; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E0w4411463; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E0s2410703 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2053.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.53]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21839 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:54:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3D30CA30.8C9355FB@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A question from a friend References: <3.0.6.32.20020709164435.00e3c990@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:47:45 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Your question leaves out much info. Which country are we talking about? Any time from the 13th cent. onward? A nightshirt and a gown are two different things, even in 21st cent. costuming vocabulary, and neither one might be what is being looked for, depending on the answers above. If the questioner could be a little more detailed in what they are trying to do with the info (doctoral thesis, fantasy fiction, newspaper article, Girl Scout guidebook, crossword puzzle, bar bet, etc.), perhaps the answer can be more detailed. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Jul 13 23:20:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27921 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6E359E00866; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6E351406288; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6E30d405436 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:00:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020714030038.87923.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:00:38 PDT From: kj green To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001001c22abc$70b0ac00$befc8218@WERNTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-850670810-1026615638=:87282" Subject: [h-cost] OT--flowers for an 1890's lady Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-850670810-1026615638=:87282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings. A friend of mine wants me to make her a nosegay of posies suitable for a late 1890's ball (don't know if the locale is England or the US). I'd like to make it as correct as possible. So, does anyone know what would have been appropriate for the time? Thanks! kate --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-850670810-1026615638=:87282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Greetings.

A friend of mine wants me to make her a nosegay of posies suitable for a late 1890's ball (don't know if the locale is England or the US).

I'd like to make it as correct as possible. So, does anyone know what would have been appropriate for the time?

Thanks!

kate

 


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Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-850670810-1026615638=:87282-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 08:07:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32567 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EBqAE15706; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:52:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EBq3410291; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EBnm409898 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.f6.1e136835 (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:49:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f6.1e136835.2a62bf53_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:49:39 EDT Status: RO --part1_f6.1e136835.2a62bf53_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << oh, most of it is online! only a small amount of things comes from the UK.>> Do share those online sources, by all means! --Gillian --part1_f6.1e136835.2a62bf53_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << <I sure wish I had some of your resources!>

oh, most of it is online! only a small amount of things comes from the UK.>>

Do share those online sources, by all means!

--Gillian


 --part1_f6.1e136835.2a62bf53_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 10:02:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00758 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:02:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EDk4E18715; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EDk3401875; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EDga401311 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 07:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.113.14646a3d (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:42:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <113.14646a3d.2a62d9c3@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_113.14646a3d.2a62d9c3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: different velvets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:42:27 EDT Status: RO --part1_113.14646a3d.2a62d9c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Acetate-Nylon is typically what you find being sold in Jo-Anne's for=20 > $20+. Panne is crushed velvet... looks like it's been sat on and ironed=20 > that way. It's a neat look, but not for most historical garb that I've=20 > ever seen. > More info: Acetate-Nylon is woven and does not stretch. The drape is...kinda like a thick curtain (trying to put it in newbie terms). This is the fabric you see on formal occasion dresses in department stores in winter. It's mostly a solid color. Dry clean only. Panne is a knit, so it stretches and can be made into very slinky outfits. It's multi-faceted -- because of the fact the velvet's been crushed -- giving it a sparkle. I see panne at many LARPs and at Renfairs; it's also a goth favorite. I'm a goth, and I wear it all the time. It is not a historical fabric, though. Washable! The choice between them depends on where you are wearing the outfit, and the design of the outfit. If it's "black tie," go for the Acetate-Nylon (or Rayon-acetate). If it's a Renaissance fair that's usually muddy, go for the washable and more breathable panne. If it's got to be historically accurate or the pattern demands something a bit stiff, go for the Acetate-Nylon. If you want an outfit to skim your curves and never need ironing, go for the panne. Both are difficult to sew as a beginner, though. Panne stretches, so you must stretch it by hand as you sew. Use a ball point needle in your sewing machine. I also recommend a narrow zigzag or any "broken" stitch -- as opposed to a straight stitch -- to allow the seam thread to stretch along with the fabric. Knits like this do not fray at the edges, and panne is generally not see-through, so you can usually get away without a lining in the garment/outfit. "Real" velvet (acetate-nylon, rayon-acetate, or even silk-rayon-acetate) shifts all over as you sew because of the thick "pile" (=fur) on it. You really need a "velvet foot" or "V foot" attachment for your sewing machine to keep it under control. You also cannot iron the seams open nomally, because you'll make permanent dents in the pile/fur. Some stores sell "velvet needleboards" for ironing on, but the hook side of Velcro works well too. Place the Velcro strip hook-side-up atop your ironing board, then lay the seam you wanna press on top (pile-side-down) and iron gently. Hope all this helped! Gillian-the-seamstress --part1_113.14646a3d.2a62d9c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit h-costume-request@indra.com writes:

Acetate-Nylon is typically what you find being sold in Jo-Anne's for=20
$20+.  Panne is crushed velvet... looks like it's been sat on and ironed=20
that way.  It's a neat look, but not for most historical garb that I've=20
ever seen.

More info:
Acetate-Nylon  is woven and does not stretch.  The drape is...kinda like a thick curtain (trying to put it in newbie terms).  This is the fabric you see on formal occasion dresses in department stores in winter.  It's mostly a solid color.  Dry clean only.

Panne is a knit, so it stretches and can be made into very slinky outfits.  It's multi-faceted -- because of the fact the velvet's been crushed -- giving it a sparkle.   I see panne at many LARPs and at Renfairs; it's also a goth favorite.  I'm a goth, and I wear it all the time.  It is not a historical fabric, though.  Washable!

The choice between them depends on where you are wearing the outfit, and the design of the outfit.  If it's "black tie," go for the Acetate-Nylon (or Rayon-acetate).  If it's a Renaissance fair that's usually muddy, go for the washable and more breathable panne.  If it's got to be historically accurate or the pattern demands something a bit stiff, go for the Acetate-Nylon.  If you want an outfit to skim your curves and never need ironing, go for the panne.

Both are difficult to sew as a beginner, though.  Panne stretches, so you must stretch it by hand as you sew.  Use a ball point needle in your sewing machine.  I also recommend a narrow zigzag or any "broken" stitch -- as opposed to a straight stitch -- to allow the seam thread to stretch along with the fabric.  Knits like this do not fray at the edges, and panne is generally not see-through, so you can usually get away without a lining in the garment/outfit.

"Real" velvet (acetate-nylon, rayon-acetate, or even silk-rayon-acetate) shifts all over as you sew because of the thick "pile" (=fur) on it.  You really need a "velvet foot" or "V foot" attachment for your sewing machine to keep it under control.  You also cannot iron the seams open nomally, because you'll make permanent dents in the pile/fur.  Some stores sell "velvet needleboards" for ironing on, but the hook side of Velcro works well too.  Place the Velcro strip hook-side-up atop your ironing board, then lay the seam you wanna press on top (pile-side-down) and iron gently.

Hope all this helped!
Gillian-the-seamstress --part1_113.14646a3d.2a62d9c3_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 10:26:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00881 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:26:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EEA3E19437; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EEA1406777; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EE7N406286 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.173.b37621c (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <173.b37621c.2a62df8e@aol.com> Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_173.b37621c.2a62df8e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:07:10 EDT Status: RO --part1_173.b37621c.2a62df8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My most expensive stuff (carefully folded in my > grandmother's old trunk, so I can save it by throwing it through a > window if there's ever a house fire) is this divine, > scrumptious,black-and-gold upholstery brocade I paid $25/yd for. I will, > someday, > be using it to make a reproduction of the Phoenix portrait of Elizabeth > I. > Oh Sue! You've hit one of my favorites! Please do get around to making that and share LOTS OF PICS! I don't usually want to make exact replicas of paintings, because I don't like knowing my outfit's "been done before". The Phoenix is one exception. I've never found the appropriate brocade, so I told myself that if I ever buy an embroidery machine, the first thing I'm doing is making that fabric. Ambitious, I know... --Gillian --part1_173.b37621c.2a62df8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
My most expensive stuff (carefully folded in my
grandmother's old trunk, so I can save it by throwing it through a
window if there's ever a house fire) is this divine, scrumptious,black-and-gold upholstery brocade I paid $25/yd for.  I will, someday,
be using it to make a reproduction of the Phoenix portrait of Elizabeth
I.

Oh Sue!  You've hit one of my favorites!  Please do get around to making that and share LOTS OF PICS!

I don't usually want to make exact replicas of paintings, because I don't like knowing my outfit's "been done before".  The Phoenix is one exception.  I've never found the appropriate brocade, so I told myself that if I ever buy an embroidery machine, the first thing I'm doing is making that fabric.  Ambitious, I know...

--Gillian --part1_173.b37621c.2a62df8e_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 10:37:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00953 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EEK2E19699; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EEK1408698; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EEIR408354 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.13e.11477e47 (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <13e.11477e47.2a62e22a@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13e.11477e47.2a62e22a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: different velvets -- wool velvet? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:18:18 EDT Status: RO --part1_13e.11477e47.2a62e22a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mohair- not wool- slight difference one's from a sheep the other from a goat- though I suppose one of the longwool breeds like the leicester or cotswold might make passable velvet- I think it is still available or was a few years back- I had a friend who was a large presence in the Angora goat industry and she special ordered mohair velvet for her 19th century couch and chair to be recovered in. MJ Ok, am I allergic to every period fabric but silk?! Grr... I could make such wonderfully authentic garb if I didn't get rashes from wool, linen, mohair/angora, and many of the wild animals they used for fur trim. Just call me synthetic. --Gillian --part1_13e.11477e47.2a62e22a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mohair- not wool- slight difference one's from a sheep the other from a
goat- though I suppose one of the longwool breeds like the leicester or
cotswold might make passable velvet- I think it is still available or was a
few years back- I had a friend who was a large presence in the Angora goat
industry and she special ordered mohair velvet for her 19th century couch
and chair to be recovered in.
MJ


Ok, am I allergic to every period fabric but silk?!  Grr...  I could make such wonderfully authentic garb if I didn't get rashes from wool, linen, mohair/angora, and many of the wild animals they used for fur trim.  Just call me synthetic.

--Gillian --part1_13e.11477e47.2a62e22a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 11:16:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05190 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:16:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EEx3E21465; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EEx1416389; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EEsu415656 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.7d.2a2860cd (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.2a2860cd.2a62eab7@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.2a2860cd.2a62eab7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Walmart pre-cuts? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:54:47 EDT Status: RO --part1_7d.2a2860cd.2a62eab7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/02 2:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Interesting. A few years ago Wal-Mart was thinking about changing all of > their stores to pre-cuts only. There was such an overwhelmingly negative > response from the public that they decided against doing it. > I hope that they're not changing their mind. > Oh gods! Me too! I like that if I find a fabric I adore on the dollar table, I can just buy the whole bolt and not worry about dye lots. Also, you waste less fabric if you can arrange your patterns on a continuous piece, so the bolt really stretches my budget. --part1_7d.2a2860cd.2a62eab7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/02 2:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


Interesting. A few years ago Wal-Mart was thinking about changing all of their stores to pre-cuts only. There was such an overwhelmingly negative response from the public that they decided against doing it.
I hope that they're not changing their mind.


Oh gods!  Me too!  I like that if I find a fabric I adore on the dollar table, I can just buy the whole bolt and not worry about dye lots.  Also, you waste less fabric if you can arrange your patterns on a continuous piece, so the bolt really stretches my budget. --part1_7d.2a2860cd.2a62eab7_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 11:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05223 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:19:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EF42E21704; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EF42417371; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EExM416457 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:59:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g6EF0skl012448 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:00:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <173.b37621c.2a62df8e@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:00:28 -0300 Status: RO My most expensive stuff (carefully folded in my grandmother's old trunk.... Not to be a wet blanket, but could you roll it instead of folding it? Won't the creases be hard to get out? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 11:50:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05483 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EFYPE23201; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EFYO423899; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:34:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EFXW423647 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:33:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.182.aed59c6 (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <182.aed59c6.2a62f3ba@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_182.aed59c6.2a62f3ba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Another source for reproduction jewelry Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:33:14 EDT Status: RO --part1_182.aed59c6.2a62f3ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/02 2:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > possibly some list members are about to > > get married. > Like me! --Gillian, who is venue-searching for Oct 2003 --part1_182.aed59c6.2a62f3ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/02 2:03:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


possibly some list members are about to

get married.


Like me!

--Gillian, who is venue-searching for Oct 2003 --part1_182.aed59c6.2a62f3ba_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 11:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05488 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EFYHE23179; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:34:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EFYD423833; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m02.mx.aol.com (imo-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EFTa422581 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.13d.1148f753 (4529) for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.1148f753.2a62f2d9@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.1148f753.2a62f2d9_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Tips for bargain shopping at Jo-Ann Fabrics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:29:29 EDT Status: RO --part1_13d.1148f753.2a62f2d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to work at Jo-Ann's. I was the "Costume Consultant," according to my manager. Anyway, I know how all the sales work. 1) It's a good idea to hit joann.com and sign up for their mailing list. They'll send you flyers of what's on sale. Only the mailed flyers (not the ones you can pick up in the store) have coupons on the back. Every couple of flyers the coupon will be for "50% off one regular price item". You can use this on any single cut cut of fabric. Need 20 yards of upholstery brocade? Make your own sale with this coupon -- good the whole 20-yard cut! If you want a fabric that's not listed as on sale, wait for this coupon. 2) "Season Finale" is 66% to 75% off. If you see a fabric you want on this sale, BUY IT! Do not wait for it to go on clearance to the "Bargain Section", because the clearance price fabric will not be as cheap! Not true for trims, which get clearanced at insane prices, like the one I got for 10 cents a yd down from $4/yd. That's because they only put trims on clearance when the manufacturer has discontinued the line or Jo-Ann's is dropping that supplier. 3) DO look for the "Fabric Bonanza" section. These fabrics are odd lots from other companies sold at $1.96/yd. Some of the fabrics here are nasty, but I've found 100% wool too (not that I care wear wool). Better yet, wait until you get a flyer saying $0.99/yd Fabric Bonanza. Not only is this half price, but the stores tend to get a large new shipment right before this sale so as not to have upset customers. 4) Close to Christmas, they sometimes (most years) have a $5/yd velvet sale. Look for it in flyers and get there early! It includes the rayon velvets, burnouts, etc, and it's cheaper than online because there's no shipping. 5) You can occasionally find brocades or interesting jaquards on the flatfold table. Flatfolds are NOT remnants; they are upholstery fabrics that do not come on a bolt, so there can be 12 yds there. Just be careful not to get a rubber-backed fabric for sewing clothes. The most expensive flatfold is $9.96/yd, so if you use your 50% coupon... 6) If you sew as a business, you should ask the manager about their 15% Discount. 7) Last but not least, it helps to make friends with the salespeople. They get insider "heads up"s on big sales, and in the smaller (non-ETC) stores they'll often remember an avid costumer. They'll tell you when new stuff you'd like comes in or gets marked down for clearance. (I got e-mail when all the velvet ribbon was discontinued and marked down to 5 and 10 cents a yard. Time for bed now... --Gillian --part1_13d.1148f753.2a62f2d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I used to work at Jo-Ann's.  I was the "Costume Consultant," according to my manager.  Anyway, I know how all the sales work.

1) It's a good idea to hit joann.com and sign up for their mailing list.  They'll send you flyers of what's on sale.  Only the mailed flyers (not the ones you can pick up in the store) have coupons on the back.  Every couple of flyers the coupon will be for "50% off one regular price item".  You can use this on any single cut cut of fabric.  Need 20 yards of upholstery brocade?  Make your own sale with this coupon -- good the whole 20-yard cut!  If you want a fabric that's not listed as on sale,  wait for this coupon.

2) "Season Finale" is 66% to 75% off.  If you see a fabric you want on this sale, BUY IT!  Do not wait for it to go on clearance to the "Bargain Section", because the clearance price fabric will not be as cheap!  Not true for trims, which get clearanced at insane prices, like the one I got for 10 cents a yd down from $4/yd.  That's because they only put trims on clearance when the manufacturer has discontinued the line or Jo-Ann's is dropping that supplier.

3) DO look for the "Fabric Bonanza" section.  These fabrics are odd lots from other companies sold at $1.96/yd.  Some of the fabrics here are nasty, but I've found 100% wool too (not that I care wear wool).  Better yet, wait until you get a flyer saying $0.99/yd Fabric Bonanza.  Not only is this half price, but the stores tend to get a large new shipment right before this sale so as not to have upset customers.

4) Close to Christmas, they sometimes (most years) have a $5/yd velvet sale.  Look for it in flyers and get there early!  It includes the rayon velvets, burnouts, etc, and it's cheaper than online because there's no shipping.

5) You can occasionally find brocades or interesting jaquards on the flatfold table.  Flatfolds are NOT remnants; they are upholstery fabrics that do not come on a bolt, so there can be 12 yds there.   Just be careful not to get a rubber-backed fabric for sewing clothes.  The most expensive flatfold is $9.96/yd, so if you use your 50% coupon...

6) If you sew as a business, you should ask the manager about their 15% Discount.

7) Last but not least, it helps to make friends with the salespeople.  They get insider "heads up"s on big sales, and in the smaller (non-ETC) stores they'll often remember an avid costumer. They'll tell you when new stuff you'd like comes in or gets marked down for clearance.  (I got e-mail when all the velvet ribbon was discontinued and marked down to 5 and 10 cents a yard.

Time for bed now...

--Gillian
 --part1_13d.1148f753.2a62f2d9_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 13:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06150 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:29:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EHD3E27287; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EHD2415105; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6EHAO414462 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020714171023.30718.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:10:23 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this weekend To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:10:23 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Azelana@aol.com wrote: > << > > oh, most of it is online! only a small amount of things comes from the UK.>> > > Do share those online sources, by all means! > > --Gillian eBay, as I said, eBay. Months and months and months of careful hour long trawlings through eBay. That, and teh fact I have quite a well known web site, Marla mallett contacted me when she sold the needlelace. I bought it within 15 minutes of her mail. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 14:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06666 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:55:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EIb5E01074; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EIb4405433; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EIYt404897 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ToCq-000Flg-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:34:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:34:18 +0100 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > >> I'm surprised to hear most towns are so short of fabric shops - since >> I was completely stunned to find fabric in Wal-Mart in the middle of >> Connecticut last year. Fabric in a supermarket? (We needed to do >> quick curtains for the windows in the front and side doors of our >> rented apartments - a yard of fabric and a bit of masking tape was OK >> for a week or two). And in one mall in Quebec there were three shops >> selling cloth and knitting yarn. Fabric shops in the UK are generally >> specialist and found down obscure side-streets - never, ever in a >> mall! Was I just very fortunate in the places I went? > >Yes and no. In general, the independent fabric store in the U.S. seems to >be as scarce now as the independent bookstore. They were common enough 10 >years ago, but more and more of them are folding, either because of >competition from chains, declining sales (fewer people are sewing these >days), or general ill climate for small businesses. If you've got one in >your town, it's a thing to treasure. > >Wal-Mart is a different sort of case. It's not what we would call a >supermarket (a term we use for large food stores that also sell soaps, >drugs, sundries, and other household consumables). Wal-Mart falls into the >category of "discount department store," and brings up the cheapest end of >that classification. The chain built its success by bringing mass-market >goods at low prices to small towns and other areas that did not have large >shopping centers and a broad selection of stores. Wal-Mart located its >large retail stores on low-priced property just outside town, offering a >one-stop shop for a large range of useful things -- clothes, hardware, >toys, household goods -- at prices made possible only by high-volume sales >and chain-store scale. (This created a great deal of ill will among small >downtowns, whose smaller, more specialized shops often died from the >competition of the Wal-Mart down the road.) > >Anyway, in areas where the nearest fabric store might be an hour away, or >there might be only a single tiny specialty shop, Wal-Mart became the >chief source of fabric. The stores in less-populated areas thus often have >a large fabric department, with a selection catering to the needs of the >home crafter/sewer: basic low-priced fabrics for casual and family >clothing, quilting supplies, curtain materials, thread and tools, basic >craft items. > >In more urban areas where fabric is easier to come by, Wal-Mart is not the >consumer's top choice for fabric shopping, so those stores often have a >smaller fabric department or none at all. (In my metro area, I might pick >up thread at Wal-Mart while I'm shopping there for something else, but I >don't go there specifically for fabric, unless maybe I need cheap cotton.) > >As to mall stores, a few of the U.S. fabric store chains (So-Fro, Piece >Goods) were often located in malls, but I see less and less of those these >days. Most of the ones I know are in older malls and are well-established. >The idea of three fabric stores in one mall does surprise me. Remember, >too, there's a great difference between the mall culture of North America >and that of the UK. We also have a large presence of "strip centers" -- >collections of stores, often parallel to a road with a shared parking lot, >that provide the advantage of clustered stores without the parking >problems or expensive architecture of malls. Fabric stores often are >located in these groupings. > >--Robin > I can't think of any chain with national coverage in the UK that stocks fabric. The only one would be John Lewis, a fairly upmarket department store which has an outlet in most cities and a few of the large towns around London. Their dress fabrics are expensive and their stock has been shrinking for years. There are some small chains that cover selected areas - Kings Fabrics turns up in a number of Scottish towns, but it's years since I found anything there I wanted. Many general stores and bargain stores stock basic mending kit - thread, needles, maybe some tape or self-adhesive patching, but not cloth. The idea of needing to cater to the home sewer - well, I don't think any of the marketing bods in general retail would even recognise the existence of home sewing in this country. There are an increasing number of shops, and even chains, selling curtains and soft furnishings, but it's mostly ready-made, or for them to make to measure - they rarely expect you to take it home to sew. I am really worried that our very good local fabric store is going that way, as their curtain fabric range is expanding, and they are going to start selling ready-made, and cushions and stuff, and their dress fabric is getting stuffed away under the new "mezzanine floor" where all this is going. There are also lots of patchwork shops, and those selling fabric for Asian traditional clothing, but neither of those are much good for historic costuming, or even modern Western clothes. In the areas I've been, all the Asian stores sell 100% polyester only. Dressmaking is becoming one of those niche areas, where you have to bump into those in the know to be able to find supplies, or get them mail-order. It's almost as bad as...re-enactment. Hold on, I see a connection here! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 16:31:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07520 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:31:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EKG4E05214; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EKG2428357; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:16:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f96.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.37.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EKBn427428 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:11:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:11:44 -0700 Received: from 12.231.218.81 by pv2fd.pav2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:11:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.231.218.81] From: "Jennifer Sena" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart pre-cuts? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 20:11:44.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC955890:01C22B72] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:11:43 -0700 Status: RO > > > Interesting. A few years ago Wal-Mart was thinking about changing all of > > their stores to pre-cuts only. There was such an overwhelmingly negative > > response from the public that they decided against doing it. > > I hope that they're not changing their mind. > > > >Oh gods! Me too! I like that if I find a fabric I adore on the dollar >table, I can just buy the whole bolt and not worry about dye lots. Also, >you >waste less fabric if you can arrange your patterns on a continuous piece, >so >the bolt really stretches my budget. Not to mention the fact that no one EVER gets the precuts the right length for anything I'd want to make. I either get stuck with twice as much as I wanted or not quite as much as I needed. Jennifer Sena Distant Designs http://home.teleport.com/~cedric/distdesi I wont hurt you, I just want to dress you up!! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 17:35:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08399 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:35:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ELK2E07552; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ELK1412014; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6ELIn411766 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:18:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03235 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:43:07 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:43:07 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > The idea of needing to cater to the home sewer - well, I don't think > any of the marketing bods in general retail would even recognise the > existence of home sewing in this country. I think you hit an important difference there between the UK and the US. I have a sense that sewing is not as typical an occupation for the British as it is for us. For example, in the States, when I was in school at least, girls had many chances to learn to sew, and you'd be more surprised to find a girl who didn't have at least some basic sewing experience than one who did. We could take "home economics" or sewing classes in school. (Boys were more likely to take "shop" classes that included woodworking and similar skills. Today I gather that the names of the classes are less gender-oriented, and students are welcome to take whichever they want, but I suspect some noticeable gender division remains in class makeup.) I didn't take sewing in school because I'd learned in Girl Scouts, another typical option. Some of my friends learned from their mothers, grandmothers, or sisters. It's common to have a sewing machine in one's home -- even my mother, who doesn't sew, had (and still has) a machine for mending. Also, crafts such as quilting, which require some sewing equipment and knowledge, are extremely popular. Am I correct in my impression that this is not the state in Britain? If sewing is considered a specialty skill or hobby, fabric stores would be considered specialty stores. That's the niche that leather or woodworking stores occupy here -- that is, those are crafts that require specific materials, but you're very lucky if you have a suitable supplier in town, and you'd expect to find them in out-of-the-way places. I suspect that if it wasn't for the huge popularity of quilting and similar crafts here, sewing stores would be far less common and accessible than they are today. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 19:17:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09242 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:17:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6EN0EE11583; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EN06404923; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6EMvn404460 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.179] ([24.52.227.179]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GZ9H4501.5A3 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:57:41 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:57:40 -0400 Status: RO My husband and I were fortunate in that we were able to honeymoon in London 'lo those many (5:) years ago. We took the 'rail out to Bath as a daytrip and discovered a rather hole-in-the-wall fabric shop. I took pictures to show a friend that owns/runs a similar styled store locally. If the store in question is still around, I highly recommend it as they carried a fair selection of silk, linen and wool. I don't recall the name of it, but Bath isn't terribly large. I do recall that it wasn't far from the roman baths. Laurie > I can't think of any chain with national coverage in the UK that stocks > fabric. The only one would be John Lewis, a fairly upmarket department > store which has an outlet in most cities and a few of the large towns > around London. Their dress fabrics are expensive and their stock has > been shrinking for years. There are some small chains that cover > selected areas - Kings Fabrics turns up in a number of Scottish towns, > but it's years since I found anything there I wanted. > > Many general stores and bargain stores stock basic mending kit - thread, > needles, maybe some tape or self-adhesive patching, but not cloth. The > idea of needing to cater to the home sewer - well, I don't think any of > the marketing bods in general retail would even recognise the existence > of home sewing in this country. > > There are an increasing number of shops, and even chains, selling > curtains and soft furnishings, but it's mostly ready-made, or for them > to make to measure - they rarely expect you to take it home to sew. I > am really worried that our very good local fabric store is going that > way, as their curtain fabric range is expanding, and they are going to > start selling ready-made, and cushions and stuff, and their dress fabric > is getting stuffed away under the new "mezzanine floor" where all this > is going. > > There are also lots of patchwork shops, and those selling fabric for > Asian traditional clothing, but neither of those are much good for > historic costuming, or even modern Western clothes. In the areas I've > been, all the Asian stores sell 100% polyester only. Dressmaking is > becoming one of those niche areas, where you have to bump into those in > the know to be able to find supplies, or get them mail-order. It's > almost as bad as...re-enactment. Hold on, I see a connection here! > > Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 21:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10216 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:33:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F1H4E17582; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1H2407874; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1Gi407804 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:16:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04317 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:41:04 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Running dye question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO This isn't quite a historic issue, but it's a fabric issue, and this list probably contains the expertise to help! I bought some printed linen: black background, splashy white flowers. After I bought it, I realized it had tiny bit of lycra in it, too -- one of those new "stretch linen" fabrics. (Why do they keep ruining perfectly good linens and wools by adding lycra?) I decided the stretch wouldn't be a problem for this particular (non-historic) project, but I also realized I'd better avoid the higher heat settings for washing/drying/ironing I'd usually use with linen. So I washed it on warm, dried it delicate. And the black dye bled all over the white flowers. The result was a batik-like grey streaking across the entire print. Oddly, I like it better this way! The original design was a bit too stark for my taste, and I almost didn't buy it for that reason. So now I have a print with a really nice irregular grey pattern behind the white areas. My question: How do I keep it this way? Should I expect that the dye will continue to run on further washings, or will it stay put? Should I just dry-clean the finished garment? I don't want to run it through the wash with a dye magnet, because I want to keep the streaking that's already there. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 21:47:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10275 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F1W7E18189; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1W3411403; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1TV410819 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Tug6-0006t5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:29:30 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution In Fashion book) Organization: PII Message-ID: <000301c22b9d$80e5d140$6601a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001001c22abc$70b0ac00$befc8218@WERNTO> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:18:18 -0700 Status: RO Wow, I hate to admit my biased expectations, but I was expecting oriental fashions! Fabulous stuff-thank you for sharing-I'd not have known about it otherwise. SG **-----Original Message----- **From: h-costume-admin@indra.com **[mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kendra Van Cleave **Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:27 PM **To: h-costume@indra.com **Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and **Revolution In Fashion book) ** ** **I'm assuming everyone found the Kyoto Costume Institute's **digital collections, but in case you didn't, they have some **great photos of costumes from their collection at: ** **http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/collset-e.html ** **- Kendra ** ** ** **_______________________________________________ **h-costume mailing list **h-costume@mail.indra.com **http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 21:47:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10279 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:47:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F1WFE18207; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1WF411471; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1V9411196 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:31:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020715013104.LDFP29588.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:31:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3D3225D1.2040903@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] 73 Online Fabric Stores Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:30:57 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, Since the subject came up about fabric stores (online or actual stores). I thought I would see what I could find online. And I found fabric heaven. :) I've only went through a couple of the stores so far since I'm not feeling so well right now. Here is the website addy: http://www.rollanet.org/~anderson/fabricstores.html In the Service of Sewing (even if I am a 43 yr old beginner), Roscelin/Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 22:07:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10426 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:07:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F1q3E19758; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1q2416879; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F1ld415728 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id TAA25939 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200207150207.TAA25939@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Running dye question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: [...] > So now I have a print with a really nice irregular grey pattern behind the > white areas. My question: How do I keep it this way? Should I expect that > the dye will continue to run on further washings, or will it stay put? > Should I just dry-clean the finished garment? I don't want to run it > through the wash with a dye magnet, because I want to keep the streaking > that's already there. Try a dye fixative. Dharma Trading Company's house brand one is what I use to fix batiks on the rare occasion that I do batik. Since I've been doing a bunch of vat dyeing using black, red and bright blue this week, I've been using the dye fixative in the final rinse (their suggestion for colors that run and fade). The only catch is that the dye fixative needs to be used with hot water. http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1569-AA.shtml Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 22:47:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10694 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:47:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F2W3E21307; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F2W2425750; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21305.mail.yahoo.com (web21305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6F2S6424954 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020715022805.51551.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:28:05 PDT From: kj green Subject: Re: [h-cost] Running dye question To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1695768816-1026700085=:51157" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-1695768816-1026700085=:51157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would the new Shout color catcher sheets help? One of our local TV stations has a "Let Joe Try It" segment where Joe gets to try new products/informercial products to see if they actually work as well as they're claimed. For the Color Catcher sheets, he put a freshly dyed garment in the laundry with a light colored tee shirt as well as one of the color catcher sheets and it captured the excess color from the dyed garment--the tee shirt came out absolutely spotless.It just removes excess dye particles that are in the water, it won't take the dye out of garments that have already been dyed/stained. Maybe this would help you keep the dye from further coloring your linen. kate Robin Netherton wrote: This isn't quite a historic issue, but it's a fabric issue, and this list probably contains the expertise to help! I bought some printed linen: black background, splashy white flowers. After I bought it, I realized it had tiny bit of lycra in it, too -- one of those new "stretch linen" fabrics. (Why do they keep ruining perfectly good linens and wools by adding lycra?) I decided the stretch wouldn't be a problem for this particular (non-historic) project, but I also realized I'd better avoid the higher heat settings for washing/drying/ironing I'd usually use with linen. So I washed it on warm, dried it delicate. And the black dye bled all over the white flowers. The result was a batik-like grey streaking across the entire print. Oddly, I like it better this way! The original design was a bit too stark for my taste, and I almost didn't buy it for that reason. So now I have a print with a really nice irregular grey pattern behind the white areas. My question: How do I keep it this way? Should I expect that the dye will continue to run on further washings, or will it stay put? Should I just dry-clean the finished garment? I don't want to run it through the wash with a dye magnet, because I want to keep the streaking that's already there. --Robin --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-1695768816-1026700085=:51157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Would the new Shout color catcher sheets help?

One of our local TV stations has a "Let Joe Try It" segment where Joe gets to try new products/informercial products to see if they actually work as well as they're claimed.

For the Color Catcher sheets, he put a freshly dyed garment in the laundry with a light colored tee shirt as well as one of the color catcher sheets and it captured the excess color from the dyed garment--the tee shirt came out absolutely spotless.It just removes excess dye particles that are  in the water, it won't take the dye out of garments that have already been dyed/stained.

Maybe this would help you keep the dye from further coloring your linen.

kate

  Robin Netherton <robin@shell.nightowl.net> wrote:


This isn't quite a historic issue, but it's a fabric issue, and this list
probably contains the expertise to help!

I bought some printed linen: black background, splashy white flowers.
After I bought it, I realized it had tiny bit of lycra in it, too -- one
of those new "stretch linen" fabrics. (Why do they keep ruining perfectly
good linens and wools by adding lycra?) I decided the stretch wouldn't be
a problem for this particular (non-historic) project, but I also realized
I'd better avoid the higher heat settings for washing/drying/ironing I'd
usually use with linen.

So I washed it on warm, dried it delicate. And the black dye bled all over
the white flowers. The result was a batik-like grey streaking across the
entire print. Oddly, I like it better this way! The original design was a
bit too stark for my taste, and I almost didn't buy it! for that reason.

So now I have a print with a really nice irregular grey pattern behind the
white areas. My question: How do I keep it this way? Should I expect that
the dye will continue to run on further washings, or will it stay put?
Should I just dry-clean the finished garment? I don't want to run it
through the wash with a dye magnet, because I want to keep the streaking
that's already there.

--Robin


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Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-1695768816-1026700085=:51157-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Jul 14 23:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11236 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:47:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F3W7E24056; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:32:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F3W2410109; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F3UJ409647 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m180.in-tch.com [216.166.191.180]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6F3GMP13116 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D324314.1308F2B1@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:35:48 -0600 Status: RO Ohhhhh.....gawdd.....You *would* have to post something like that....oh, man, oh man, oh man.....I think you've *killed* my credit card.... See, here's the scoop....A friend and I (who both do historical clothing, and, oddly enough, both know Robin) will be in Bath for several days in eary September. We already have shopping and the Roman baths on the list (along with the Costume Museum, and the Assembly Rooms). We live in a part of the U.S. where we get decent snowy winters, and *no d@mned wool fabric*!!!!, so finding something yummy while we're in England would just be a superlative coup! --Sue, who would be doing a decent "happy dance" if she weren't so blessed *hot* [day 4? 5? of record-breaking temperatures, and *NO* a/c or swamp cooler ;-( ] randl wrote: > > My husband and I were fortunate in that we were able to honeymoon in London > 'lo those many (5:) years ago. We took the 'rail out to Bath as a daytrip > and discovered a rather hole-in-the-wall fabric shop. I took pictures to > show a friend that owns/runs a similar styled store locally. If the store in > question is still around, I highly recommend it as they carried a fair > selection of silk, linen and wool. I don't recall the name of it, but Bath > isn't terribly large. I do recall that it wasn't far from the roman baths. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 00:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11541 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:41:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F4Q4E26221; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F4Q2423581; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F4Ll422586 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2040.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.40]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30251 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3D324C5D.5F7FE275@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? References: <20020712074634.17536.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:15:25 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Another note for the hubby interested in WWII. When I was in Aachen, so many years ago, I remember still seeing buildings on the outskirts of town that were abandoned since the terrible battle that occurred in town in 1945. I was amazed that, some 35 or so years later, there were still houses all shot up. I'm sure (or at least mostly so) that they have been fixed up since, but, who knows? I know in one of the in-town cemeteries, within walking distance of the train station and the Kaffeestuben that Nicole mentions, there are graves of both the German and American troops killed back then. I still have the photos that I shot (I was an exchange student in England at the time studying theater in London, and I made a side trip to complete a photo assignment I had). Mike T. > Oh yes, oh yes! Go and see Aachen! See Charlemagne's magnificent cathedral, go > and have a fantastic coffee and warm apple strudel with vanilla ice and cream > in the Alt Aachener Kaffeestuben right to the left of the medieval town hall in > the town square. And please, plaese, give a greeting to Aachen from an > expatriat who loved Aachen very much for the 12 years of living there. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 01:11:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11738 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F4u2E27412; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F4u1400332; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F4pw429218 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2040.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.40]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01750 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:51:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3D32536D.397E0371@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3D2C9456.19.158B6CB8@localhost> <3D2D82C5.314EDF5B@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Allergies vs Reactions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:45:33 -0400 Status: RO Hi, All. Something someone just said rung a bell in my head (or perhaps it was just me getting kicked too many times there...), but I remembered something my old Doctor said to me. He was an old-fashioned sort (Bless his soul, he passed on this year), but when I first went to his practice, I had my patter all in order. He asked me if I had any allergies, and I dutifully replied, as I had been taught by my Mother, "Penicillin and Compozine". Rather than just write these down (dutifully), he asked my why I thought I had those allergies. The first was inherited, I told him, and the second came from an episode when I was 18, when my appendix burst. He then asked if I had ever been tested for these "allergies". I said "no", and he told me that what I thought I had in the first case was unproven, and in the second was a reaction, not an allergy. He asked if I wished to be tested for the above. I haven't since, but I thought I'd mention it. If you think you have an "allergy" to a particular thing, and it is making you make lifestyle changes that are difficult, you might want to look into it to see if you can be tested. This might lead you into an area through which you can work out where your problems are, and help you to expand those areas where you might have thought you could never go. If you find that you have real allergies, I'm sorry, but if you can find a way around them, all the better. Good Luck, Mike T. PS Please don't respond to this by becoming defensive. It isn't an attack, but a means of possibly helping folks, and was meant in that way. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 02:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12226 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:01:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F5j7E29349; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F5j5411041; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f24.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F5f6410211 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:01 -0700 Received: from 68.6.212.114 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:41:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.212.114] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 05:41:01.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[33DF09A0:01C22BC2] Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:41:00 +0000 Status: RO Kendra, Thank you so much for sharing the link to the Kyoto Costume Institute. It was so much fun drooling over all the pictures of the garments. I wish I could wear them all... I know this is completely stating the obvious, but I was really struck by how much the woman's silhouette has changed over time. I know that in the 20th century, the styles that women have worn have changed dramatically. Every decade has a characteristic silhouette and style that was popular at that time. For some reason, I just assumed that such a variety of styles had been the product of a time where the media has been such an influence. We can see the most recent styles and fashions by picking up a nationally or worldwide distributed magazine. We can know that white prairie style skirts are in fashion right now, because Penelope Cruz is seen wearing one on TV or the Internet... I also thought that ready-made clothes had contributed to the variety of styles in recent decades. We can just go to the store and find a similar version of what the fashion icons are creating. Anyway, I know that styles have changed dramatically over the last 300 years, but I was just really struck by just how dramatically. For instance - 1790 to 1800 was not a very long time. However, the basic shape of the silhouette changes considerably. The full skirts and bodiced natural waist gave way to more relaxed skirts and the empire style waistline. I think this is a huge change for a time when the media was completely different as an influence in the styles that women wore. I am very tired, so I'm sure when I look at this again tomorrow, I'll be thinking that it really isn't that remarkable... but then again it really makes me think about how styles came to be. Who were the influences in making those characteristic changes and who were the people who embraced these new fashions? Also, how did a dramatic style change spread from town to town and country to country? I think it is all very interesting... Some ramblings (or obvious statements/observations)... :) jessica >From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:27:14 -0700 >Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution In >Fashion book) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >I'm assuming everyone found the Kyoto Costume Institute's digital >collections, but in case you didn't, they have some great photos of >costumes >from their collection at: > >http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/collset-e.html > >- Kendra _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 02:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14431 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:05:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F5o6E29502; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F5o5412083; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f306.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.181]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F5mV411767 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:48:23 -0700 Received: from 68.6.212.114 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:48:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.6.212.114] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 05:48:23.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B962D30:01C22BC3] Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1046 - 12 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:48:23 +0000 Status: RO Welcom Back Apollonia. I just had to comment on your tag line... It's very nice to see someone who has recongnized the fantastic genious of the Black Adder! He is one of the Greats!!! Again, welcome. :) jessica >Edmund: > It's green. >Percy: > Yes, my lord! >Edmund: > Percy, the colour of gold, is gold. Whatever you have discovered if >it >has a name would be called green. >Percy: [on discovering the secret of alchemy] > Oh Edmund can it be true, that I hold in my mortal hands a nugget of >purest GREEN? > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 02:20:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22983 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:20:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F656E00200; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F655415160; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F61Q414324 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:01:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id XAA05386 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200207150621.XAA05386@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Dye fixative Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO D'Oh. The dye fixative is used in a cool bath. Synthropol and Milsoft are used in hot soaks. I'm on my third round of vat dyeing this weekend, so I'm getting a little addled. Fire Red this time. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 02:54:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA09781 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:54:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F6d3E01334; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F6d2422307; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F6Yu421440 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:34:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-95.gti.net [208.216.115.95]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 5274F35540 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D326D10.1C2EABB1@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution In Fashion book) References: <000301c22b9d$80e5d140$6601a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:34:56 -0400 Status: RO The web site is excellent, but there is still a lot more info in the "Revolution" book...I am tempted to order some of the other books &/or videos offered in the catalog... Has anyone seen the videos? Are they all in Japanese? Are the other books in Japanese/English like "Revolution"? Deb R _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 03:39:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21680 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F7O3E02930; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F7O2402202; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6F7N3401918 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020715072302.61570.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:23:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D324C5D.5F7FE275@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:23:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi. Another note for the hubby interested in WWII. When I was in Aachen, so > many > years ago, I remember still seeing buildings on the outskirts of town that > were > abandoned since the terrible battle that occurred in town in 1945. I was There hasn't been anything like that for the past 14-15 years I was living there. Moved to Aachen in '88. > amazed > that, some 35 or so years later, there were still houses all shot up. I'm A memento. > sure (or > at least mostly so) that they have been fixed up since, but, who knows? I _I_ know, because I come from there. There is absolutely nothing of that sort there. Aachen is a beautiful city. > know in > one of the in-town cemeteries, within walking distance of the train station > and the > Kaffeestuben that Nicole mentions, there are graves of both the German and > American > troops killed back then. They are still finding renmains of American soldiers lost in the Huertgenforest and never accounted for. There are Germans who have taken over the task of trawling through the woods with metal detectors and dogs in their very own spare time, finding bits and pieces, then calling the US authorities in who then dig around. By now they have already helped find the mortal remains of over a dozen soldiers, that could then finally laid to rest back home and mourned properly by their families. There is nothing worse than not having a grave. I know, because there are so many Germans never accounted for in Siberia. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 03:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10116 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F7Y4E03267; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F7Y2404227; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6F7Ui403487 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:30:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020715073043.74926.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:30:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D324314.1308F2B1@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:30:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Ohhhhh.....gawdd.....You *would* have to post something like that....oh, > man, oh man, oh man.....I think you've *killed* my credit card.... > See, here's the scoop....A friend and I (who both do historical > clothing, and, oddly enough, both know Robin) will be in Bath for > several days in eary September. Sue, why don't you just cal up Hainsworth and have their fantastic wool delivered to somewhere to pick it up while you're in England? http://www.hainsworth.co.uk/abimelech/index1.html Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 04:28:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22682 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:28:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F8D5E04846; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F8D4412979; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F894412043 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24030.; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:09:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:08:57 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swedish terminology, Bocksten man? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6F894412043 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:08:55 +0100 Status: RO According to my Swedish dictionary: F"orstygn = running stitch Efterstygn = back stitch Smygs"om isn't listed as such, but possibly = slip stitch? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 04:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22734 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F8I3E05014; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F8I2414079; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F8Fm413503 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24351.; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:16:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:15:42 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: My novel! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6F8Fm413503 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:15:08 +0100 Status: RO Congratulations, MaggiRos! What is the setting for your novel? Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> maggiros@hotmail.com 07/13/02 11:07pm >>> I know this is off-topic, but I just have to share this with you all! I just got off the phone with a small publisher I happen to know, and well, they want to publish my first novel! Complete details of covers, design, pub date and all that are still pending, but wheeeeeee!!! I'm SO excited, I can't stand it!!! Doing the Happy Dance in L.A. Wheeeeeee! MaggiRos Obligatory costume content: Everyone in the novel wears 17th century clothes, many of which are taken directly from pictures posted on Nicole Kipar's website. :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 04:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA22910 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:54:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F8c6E05709; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F8c4418745; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F8Yn418060 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25369.; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:35:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:34:43 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Home sewing UK/US, was [h-cost] Re: different velvets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6F8Yn418060 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:34:22 +0100 Status: RO I don't know how much sewing is taught in British schools today. We had needlework classes when I was at a girls' school in the 60s, but the teacher tended to neglect me because I wasn't much good at it! Neither was my Mum; for what little dressmaking we did, she made do with her mother-in-law's old hand-operated Singer (which I still have). I have the impression that fewer women do home dressmaking now than in my childhood. There used to be a specialist fabric shop in Derby; there are now only market stalls selling dress fabrics. There's such a huge choice of cheap fashionable clothes available that I suppose people only sew if they really want to. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 05:17:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23057 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:17:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F92aE06624; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F92X424126; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:02:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F8wF423098 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb02la (unverified [10.1.201.102]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:54:24 -0700 thread-index: AcIr3TfyP6EBkAwGRJuYLXaQckQnKg== Thread-Topic: Fabric shops in the UK From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Message-ID: <001401c22bdd$37f20590$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C22BA2.8B932D90" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Fabric shops in the UK Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:54:24 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C22BA2.8B932D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's getting more and more difficult to find decent stuff in general shopping areas. I'm extremely lucky, as about a mile from where I live there is a fabulous fabric shop "The Shuttle". If any of you are ever in the Bradford, West Yorkshire, area, ask me where it is. (It's even worth a special trip) It has seasonal fabrics, furnishing, cottons, linens, silks, some very good sales, and the owner will get stuff in for you if you ask. We also have various Indian/SE Asian fabric shops all over Bradford, but again, they sell mostly polyesters and synthetics. Unfortunately the Asian population in Bradford is not such to encourage luxury fabric for saris and shalwar-kameez. Freyalyn, who doesn't have enough time in the day. _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C22BA2.8B932D90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's getting more and more difficult to find decent stuff in general shopping areas.

I'm extremely lucky, as about a mile from where I live there is a fabulous fabric shop "The Shuttle". If any
of you are ever in the Bradford, West Yorkshire, area, ask me where it is. (It's even worth a special trip) It has seasonal fabrics, furnishing,
cottons, linens, silks, some very good sales, and the owner will get stuff in for you if you ask.

We also have various Indian/SE Asian fabric shops all over Bradford, but again, they sell mostly polyesters and
synthetics. Unfortunately the Asian population in Bradford is not such to encourage luxury fabric for saris and shalwar-kameez.

Freyalyn, who doesn't have enough time in the day.
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We were taught from an early age in school, but it was a very old fashioned school & some time ago :) Looking at patterns they are so simple these days they are barely worth buying, so the average sewer musty be pretty poor Mel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 05:43:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23211 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:43:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F9S5E07349; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F9S4427600; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6F9P0426683 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020715092500.16078.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:25:00 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric shops in the UK To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001401c22bdd$37f20590$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:25:00 +0100 (BST) Status: RO There is a superb silk shop in Guildford, Surrey. It is Hansson Silks. Indian run, beautiful silk taffetas, all for 14 quid per mter, gorgeous silk embrideries, and brocades. he people are very helpful. They have a web site and do mail order, send them a colour sample, tell them what you want and off you go. http://www.hansson-silks.co.uk/ Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 06:08:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23352 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6F9rAE07992; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F9r6403189; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6F9mW402209 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p205-nas2.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.211.205] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17U2Sw-00036A-00; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:48:27 +1200 Message-ID: <002901c22be4$c63512a0$cdd3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swedish terminology, Bocksten man? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:48:28 +1200 Status: RO Does anybody have the original Swedish, I have a swedish friend and if it's not too long I'm sure shed be happy to translate it. As it's a favour I'd be asking, and not one that directly benefits me I'd rather not ask too much of her as she just sent me a postcard from London (she's on holiday). Maybe she can help translate it in context.. you know how different languages have diffrerent rhythems and patterns. michaela > According to my Swedish dictionary: > > F"orstygn = running stitch > Efterstygn = back stitch > > Smygs"om isn't listed as such, but possibly = slip stitch? > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 06:38:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA23528 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FAN4E08891; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FAN3409844; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40019.mail.yahoo.com (web40019.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.59]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6FAM4409631 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:22:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020715102158.70572.qmail@web40019.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40019.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:58 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= To: europe16thc , H-costume list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:58 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Can anyone help? As the other half seems to enjoy thinning out the local rabbit population and bringing them home for us to eat. I decided it might be worth doing something with all the furs, that otherwise would go in the bin. Does anyone have any idea how furs were cured in 16th Century England. I have heard of using alum or alum and saltpeter but I have no idea if these were used then and what quantities would be required. Many Thanks Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 07:13:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23875 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FAw6E10211; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FAw4417333; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:58:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (relay02.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FAuU417006 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3088 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2002 10:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.195.81]) (envelope-sender ) by relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jul 2002 10:56:29 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c22bee$193af420$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <006201c22bdf$8babf900$94624ed5@melaniew> Subject: Re: Home sewing UK/US, was [h-cost] Re: different velvets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:55:14 -0400 Status: RO > Looking at patterns they are so simple these days they are barely worth > buying, so the average sewer musty be pretty poor > > Mel I felt sad when I discovered a line of patterns called something like "Sewing for Dummies" in JoAnn's. Rowena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 07:13:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23881 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FAwQE10234; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FAwP417417; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FAud417041 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.179] ([24.52.227.179]) by smtprelay6.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 smtprelay6 Dec 7 2001 09:58:59) with ESMTP id GZAEE902.H60 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1046 - 12 msgs From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:56:33 -0400 Status: RO on 7/15/02 1:48 AM, jessica stier at jessicastier@hotmail.com wrote: > > Welcom Back Apollonia. > > I just had to comment on your tag line... It's very nice to see someone who > has recongnized the fantastic genious of the Black Adder! He is one of the > Greats!!! > > Again, welcome. > > :) jessica > > >> Edmund: >> It's green. >> Percy: >> Yes, my lord! >> Edmund: >> Percy, the colour of gold, is gold. Whatever you have discovered if >> it >> has a name would be called green. >> Percy: [on discovering the secret of alchemy] >> Oh Edmund can it be true, that I hold in my mortal hands a nugget of >> purest GREEN? >> my fave: edmond: "You do know what irony is, don't you Baldric?" baldric: "Yeah...its like goldy and bronzy." edmond harassing percy about his ruff size was great too. laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 07:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23924 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FB34E10572; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FB33418629; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.53]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FAxC417672 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.52.227.179] ([24.52.227.179]) by smtprelay9.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GZAEII03.14J for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:59:06 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets From: randl To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D324314.1308F2B1@in-tch.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:59:07 -0400 Status: RO on 7/14/02 11:35 PM, Sue Clemenger at mooncat@in-tch.com wrote: > Ohhhhh.....gawdd.....You *would* have to post something like that....oh, > man, oh man, oh man.....I think you've *killed* my credit card.... > See, here's the scoop....A friend and I (who both do historical > clothing, and, oddly enough, both know Robin) will be in Bath for > several days in eary September. We already have shopping and the Roman > baths on the list (along with the Costume Museum, and the Assembly > Rooms). We live in a part of the U.S. where we get decent snowy > winters, and *no d@mned wool fabric*!!!!, so finding something yummy > while we're in England would just be a superlative coup! > --Sue, who would be doing a decent "happy dance" if she weren't so > blessed *hot* [day 4? 5? of record-breaking temperatures, and *NO* a/c > or swamp cooler ;-( ] > sorry:) laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 07:31:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24029 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:31:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FBF6E10927; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FBF5421309; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FBE4421086 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id EAA18325 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:33:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200207151133.EAA18325@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] dye experiment Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 04:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Okay, so I finally finished totally with my batch of red dyeing. I used Dharma's procion MX dye #10, Fire Red. I used the dye fixative as the last rinse, then a hot wash with Milsoft to restore the fabric's hand. The final result is a vibrant true red (no orange tones). On both cotton gauze and cotton-lycra knit, the shade is remarkably similar to the traditional red flannel you can still buy. Not an exact match, but very, very close. This red appears to be colorfast if you use enough soda ash and salt in the dye vat and if you use the fixative with your last rinse (after the excess dye and soda are rinsed out). I'm impressed for a red this bright. My previous experiment used procion MX #250 Jet Black, the densest of the four blacks Dharma offers. It _is_ possible to get a true black out of this dye, however it has a reddish-brown cast to it. Next time around, I'll probably add some #70 Sapphire Blue to the mix to correct that. Jet Black tends to wash out quite a bit, which is why the Dharma folks suggested using the dye fixative. My first attempt didn't stay in the dye bath nearly long enough, and I probably had the pot too crowded as well. I got a dark charcoal shade from it, which is still darker than I ever got out of black RIT dye. The second try stayed in the dye bath 4 hours, and it's a true black. After two cycles through the hot wash (after the fixative), the dye no longer runs. The procion dye is also definitely less toxic than the black Dylon I've used _once_. That stuff made my whole house smell like tar. On the whole, the procion dyes have been much less noxious than either Dylon or Deka-L. Next experiment: #56 Azure Blue. Dharma staff warns that their bright blues need higher temperatures (good thing I do this on the stovetop). Some of the other blues also need glauber's salt, but this one does not. I've been told to expect a lot of bleeding until the last of the excess dye rinses out (even more than the Jet Black). I think I'll be using the dye fixative on this one as well. All in all, I find the procion dyes to be pretty easy to use, if you're willing to do it on the stovetop. My washing machine...er, well, it sucks _and_ it wastes a lot of water and electricity. I've never had good results with _any_ dye in that machine. While the procion dyes are slightly more complicated than the acid dyes I use for silks, it's not _too_ much moreso, and the dye isn't particularly nasty smelling or toxic. I still keep the stove hood fan on just to keep the fumes from going all over the house, but it's not _vile_ like some of the union dyes I've tried. It can safely be used in the house. [toddling off to bed now...] Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 07:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24369 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:55:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FBe5E11901; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FBe3426851; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FBdN426714 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:39:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6FBdLj05919 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:39:21 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Swedish terminology, Bocksten man? In-Reply-To: <002901c22be4$c63512a0$cdd3adcb@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:39:21 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, michaela wrote: > Does anybody have the original Swedish Yup! :) "Alla sömmar, utom de där stadkant ligger mot stadkant, är sydda med dubbla sömmar. Tygstyckerna har först satts ihop, sedan har båda sömsmånerna vikts åt samma håll och sytts ned mot tyget. Fållarna längs nederkant, ärmlinningar och halsrigning är sydda med enkel vikning. Vilken typ av stygn som använts till de olika sömmarna är svårt att bedömma på grund av det stora antalet stygnmärken i tyget. Möjligen har sömmarna sytts ihop med för- eller efterstygn och sedan har sömsmånerna sytts ned mot tyget med förstygn eller kastestygn. Vid återmonteringen syddes alla sömmar med smygsöm og sömsmånerna kastades fast åt det håll de strävade. Fållerna gick til skillnad mot sömmarna att sy i de ursprungliga stygnhålen. De har sannolikt varit sydda med kaststygn, vilket också gjordes vid återmonteringen." Translation of the word "smygsöm" is basically the only thing left that I'm wondering about; even though I'm still not entirely certain that I understand how the seam allowances are fastened. But I _think_ I understand how. If your friend has input on that as well that would be great. But it it's a lot of trouble for her to translate, please don't bother her. :) Thanks for the help so far, people! :) Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 08:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24422 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:00:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FBj6E12075; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FBj4427841; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from david.io.com (root@david.io.com [199.170.88.28]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FBgk427371 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 5qurt (aus-as2-090.io.com [199.170.89.90]) by david.io.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6FBgjJ07434 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:42:46 -0500 From: "Amanda Reeves" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Message-ID: <003801c22bf4$a7b5f690$5a59aac7@5qurt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020715102158.70572.qmail@web40019.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:42:08 -0500 Status: RO Don't know the time frame, but it seems old to me. Pelts can be cured by rubbing the skin side with lard or shortening, sprinkling them with flour, rolling them fur side out, tying them with twine and storing them for a period of time. You need to experiment as to what that period of time is, but if I remember correctly, it's about 3-4 weeks. I had good luck with curing deer hides, but usually lost them to the coyotes. They are persistent little critters and could break into any shed I tried to keep them out of. Check out the Foxfire books. Amanda GRITS Rule Girls Raised In The South -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:22 AM To: europe16thc; H-costume list Subject: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Can anyone help? As the other half seems to enjoy thinning out the local rabbit population and bringing them home for us to eat. I decided it might be worth doing something with all the furs, that otherwise would go in the bin. Does anyone have any idea how furs were cured in 16th Century England. I have heard of using alum or alum and saltpeter but I have no idea if these were used then and what quantities would be required. Many Thanks Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 09:24:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25617 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FD9JE15282; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:09:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FD9A418737; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FD5p417776 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 06:05:45 -0700 Received: from 63.12.14.79 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:05:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.79] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 13:05:45.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[5508D6E0:01C22C00] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:35:45 +0930 Status: RO
Hi
A cousin of mine has a commemorative book of Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, and in it is a bit about the weavers of woolen velvet used in the robes of the English nobles, and apparantly has been used for several 100 years. He also owns a robe/cloak worn by one of the baroness' (I think), pictured in the book. But I'm yet to see it.
My cousin is an antique dealer.
Rebecca
 
>I'm sure I've heard of wool velvet, for the 18th c. at least.  Am told one
>can find wool velvet used for theatre seats and curtains.
>
>Cheers,
>Mara
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_______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 10:01:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25913 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:01:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FDkWE17895; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FDkS400709; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6FDjV400391 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Mon Jul 15 08:44:54 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:44:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6FDjV400391 Subject: [h-cost] Wal-mart pre-cuts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:44:44 -0500 Status: RO I'm happy to hear there was such an uproar over the pre-cuts. I haven't been back to this particular store in my area, despite it's being one of the really big Wal-marts, because of the pre-cuts. I guess I will have to give them a try. I did find a nice period looking 'wool' at another store this weekend. It has burn tested with at least some poly but at $1 a yard it looks period enough for some folks I know that want to try Viking. Silk; one of the best, and most fun, places I found for silk shopping was in the Indian sari shops in Vancouver, British Columbia. The owners were very helpful to two chicks who obviously didn't 'belong' and we found some real treasures buried on the shelves. It was also fun to drool over the tunics and trousers displayed for sale. They assured me they could make something to fit me but I declined :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 11:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26422 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FEpGE23565; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FEpEN27175; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FEnWN26309 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from att.net ([12.77.178.30]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020715144926.XSIQ6994.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@att.net> for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:49:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3D32E25A.D529F543@att.net> From: Crissy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] English fabric shops Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:55:22 -0400 Status: RO > > We took the 'rail out to Bath as a daytrip > and discovered a rather hole-in-the-wall fabric shop. I don't recall > the name of it, but Bath > isn't terribly large. I do recall that it wasn't far from the roman baths. Oooh! I'm actually in the planning stage of a trip to England next May and, if anyone can give me specifics as to where this shop is, I'd appreciate it! Time is going to be very limited, so the less hunting I can do to find a location, the better. I'm also going to have a day or so free in London on this trip. It seems that I'm the local person who all my friends go to for advice on fabrics and where to find the hard to find stuff. They're already asking about the fabric shopping in London! It doesn't seem to matter that I've never been there before... What we're specifically looking for is a place that sells good quality English Wools, in tropical weights. We're all from Florida that are going on this trip, so lightweight wool is the goal! We do SCA reenactment, different countries and eras of specialties. My era is Italian, 1450-1525, although we do have a few people that specialize in England and france around the same time frame on this trip. Also, Middle Eastern, too. (Yes I know we are a very mixed group!) Any advice on those Sari shops, needlework shops ( Bjarne-- what was the address and name of that one on Oxford street?) , places that sell steel boning, and are any of these places open at night or do they all close at five pm ? Any "off the wall" places I really need to visit because it's not period for anything we do but it's such cool fabrics anyway? I've costumed people ranging from Brides to exotic dancers and just about every time frame except futuristic/fantasy, and that seems to be looming on the horizon as we speak! Any advice y'all can give this fabric junkie to arrange a once in a lifetime London halfday fabric tour would be greatly appreciated! ( the other half of the day is going to be spent at the V& A Museum. I've always wanted to go there and I *know* a half day is not enough time.....) Thanks for the help and advice and locations! Crissy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 11:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26532 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:16:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FF1IE25254; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:01:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FF1HN02998; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21308.mail.yahoo.com (web21308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.174]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6FF0fN02683 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:00:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020715150040.49827.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:00:40 PDT From: kj green To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2001008047-1026745240=:49584" Subject: [h-cost] Very OT, but important if you're a Yahoo user Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-2001008047-1026745240=:49584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you use Yahoo, did you ever notice that your email doesn't always say what you wrote? 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 If you use Yahoo, did you ever notice that your email doesn't always say what you wrote? Read on...

BTW--I did try it and the words *are* changed. Since this is going out through my yahoo account, I put astericks in place of a vowel in each word that Yahoo changes.

Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:03:19 -0400
> To: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
> From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
> Subject: Do y*u Y*h**?
>
> http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/12/
>
>                                   >> HARD NEWS <<
>
>                                  in powers of two
>
>            Nice to see, in the midst of all these scandals, Yahoo
>      &! nbsp;     turning a healthy profit. But as other companies fiddle the
>            figures, Yahoo's been busy instead with fiddling its own
>            users' private correspondence. In a fantastically clumsy
>            attempt to prevent cross-site scripting attacks, the free
>            e-mail wing of the sprawling giant has long been replacing
>            complete English words in the text of HTML mail sent to its
>            users. Mention "m*cha" in an HTML mail to a friend with a
>            @yahoo.com account, and your choice in coffee will be
>  ! ;          silen! tly switched to "espresso". Talk about "free
>            expressi*n", and your recipient will think you said "free
>            statement". Here's the full list of swaperoos:
>            http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/12/yahoo.txt
>                                    - try not to mail it to your friends
>
>            This fiddling has been going on now for over a year year
>            (the ever vigilant RISKS digest noted it back in March
>    &nb! sp;       2001). But because of Yahoo's underhand methods, very few
>            people have spotted the turnabout - certainly far fewer than
>            if Yahoo had done the sensible thing and, say, "**"'ed out
>            the vowels in the word, or, God forbid, written a smarter
>            parser. But the sneakier you are, the wider the damage
>            spreads. The word "medi*val" (since it contains the
>            javascript command "eval") is converted in Yahoo mail to
>            "medireview". Google now shows over 640 sites (and 1,150
> &! nbsp;          s! eparate instances) of the word "medireview" being used as a
>            synonym for medieval. University papers, bibliographies and
>            book reviews, Indian newspaper columnists, and endless
>            enthusiast sites drop it unseen into texts. People have
>            begun to ask where it originally came from, and does it have
>            a subtler meaning beyond "medieval"? Is Yahoo ever going to
>            fix its filters? Or is it time we pushed to get the first
>            regexp-obfuscated word into the Oxford English Dictionary?
>      ! ;      http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.34.html
>              - does anyone still at Yahoo even know how to turn it off?
>            http://www.google.com/search?q=medireview
>                             - NTK now entirely filled with google links
>
>
>
>
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> To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subs! cribe.html
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Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-2001008047-1026745240=:49584-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 11:21:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26577 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FF6gE25825; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FF6fN05772; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f190.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.190]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FF5aN05168 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:05:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:05:30 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:05:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution In Fashion book) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 15:05:30.0753 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F98BF10:01C22C11] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:05:30 +0000 Status: RO Hm yes, it's really fun to browse... But I really wish they would answer me about buying the book... Maybe they're on vacation??? >From: "Kendra Van Cleave" >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution In >Fashion book) >Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 15:27:14 -0700 > >I'm assuming everyone found the Kyoto Costume Institute's digital >collections, but in case you didn't, they have some great photos of >costumes >from their collection at: > >http://www.kci.or.jp/collection/collset-e.html > >- Kendra > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 11:26:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26653 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:26:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FFBKE26359; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FFBJN08458; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:11:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjayb.creighton.edu (root@MailjayB.creighton.edu [147.134.2.193]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FF8fN06884 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjayb.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05882 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:08:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003d01c22c11$9ca01c00$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:09:26 -0500 Status: RO The rather sudden move to a high-waisted, narrow-skirted gown in lighter fabrics in the 1785-1800 timeframe was truly revolutionary and a big shock to ladies' wardrobes. (I have this book, by the way!)Englishwomen followed a more bulky look in the skirt with some heavier fabrics and obviously more petticoats than the fashion leaders of France in the same time frame. This may have been a result of climate as well as culture for both countries. Marie Antoinette had made more casual, but still expensive, gowns of imported muslin(much to the rage of the silk-weaving trade in Lyons, France)and Englishwomen had first hand-painted or printed silks, and then hand-painted or printed cottons from British Empire colonies and trade connections in Asia and India all well before 1785.(I wish Dover would reprint some of the plates from the English "Gallery of Fashion" in their original colors to show the English style of the higher waist c1794-1804). It really shows that what we call the "empire look" was considered best on tall women with some weight to them. "Does my butt look big enough in this" (pear-shaped women rejoyced) might have been the query of the day from wives to husbands. The last high-waisted look had been in vogue 1620's-30's, but skirts had been full. Many women simply let down hems and raised the skirt to the new, higher level under the bust, keeping the extra material, as evidenced by some surviving gowns, within the dress. Clearly women thought the higher waist was a fad, a craze, for things "antique" and when all these revolutionaries came to their senses, fashion would revert to the "normal" waistline. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 13:40:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27703 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:40:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FHP4E13059; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FHP2N00894; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FHL6N28367 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZA00BW6W74VP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wal-mart pre-cuts In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020715100253.00c478c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:15:47 -0700 Status: RO >I'm happy to hear there was such an uproar over the pre-cuts. I haven't >been back to this particular store in my area, despite it's being one of >the really big Wal-marts, because of the pre-cuts. I guess I will have to >give them a try. I routinely strike out at WalMart, in the fabric section. But I look every time I go to one for something else (last time it was for a new car battery). I did score big once only, and that was finding a couple of bundled remnants of windowpane muslin (batiste-thin cloth with a thicker thread every half inch both ways, making a grid). I'd read about it, and seen pictures of it, but I never saw it for sale anywhere, before or since. I'm not sure if I want to do a Regency day dress with it, or part of an Edwardian lingerie dress. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 13:40:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27707 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FHPbE13116; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FHPaN01235; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FHL7N28376 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZA00BW6W74VP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-reply-to: <003d01c22c11$9ca01c00$55c98693@creighton.edu> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020715101959.00d25530@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:20:49 -0700 Status: RO >Clearly women thought the higher >waist was a fad, a craze, for things "antique" and when all these >revolutionaries came to their senses, fashion would revert to the "normal" >waistline. But it did - took about 25+ years to do it, but it did. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 14:04:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28050 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:04:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FHn2E15642; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FHn1N15499; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FHmmN15384 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.3c.2135384e (5708) for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m16.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.132]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID41-0715134832; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:48:32 -0400 From: FyneHats2@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <1C2860A2.32988E1B.0251717C@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Costume College Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:46:21 -0400 Status: RO Hi folks, I've been away for awhile but saw some emails about Costume College in Van Nuys. I'll be teaching a class on Sunday on making a Dickens Carolling Bonnet. If possible, perhaps the h-costume group there could get together for lunch. I'd love to join you! Please let me know. See you there! Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Hats for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 14:59:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28365 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:59:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FIi3E21802; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FIi1N18285; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FIhtN18218 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.41.26]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020715184349.FAWX6994.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:43:49 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-Reply-To: <200207151804.g6FI4PN24813@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:43:22 -0700 Status: RO Oh boy, I'm feeling really embarrassed now, because it seems no one has heard from the Kyoto Costume Institute about the book, even though I had no problems. :-( If it helps any, this is the address of the person who responded to me, and this is the email they responded with: From: "zK" To: Subject: Re: books from museum catalog Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:25:47 +0900 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Thank you for your mail. I could send you the catalogue by C.O.D.. It is the only way to send you it. When you order one catalogue, the estimation is about US$45.(including the delivery cost) Excuse me.The price you wrote in the mail is only in Japan. If you could accept this condition, please let me know your address and telephone number. Sincerely, Motofumi Suwa The Kyoto Costume Institute ----------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe you can try emailing this person directly. Maybe that'll help. Maybe they =are= on vacation.... Julie At 11:04 AM 7/15/2002, you wrote: >Message: 1 >From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute (WAS: Intro and Revolution >In Fashion book) >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:05:30 +0000 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Hm yes, it's really fun to browse... > >But I really wish they would answer me about buying the book... > >Maybe they're on vacation??? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 16:07:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28774 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FJqVE29892; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FJqUN29094; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FJpPN28431 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip59.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.59]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6FJpJq28733 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D32C77F.8644.88E7FBC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:00:47 -0700 Status: RO > There are also lots of patchwork shops, and those selling fabric for > Asian traditional clothing, but neither of those are much good for > historic costuming, or even modern Western clothes. In the areas I've > been, all the Asian stores sell 100% polyester only. And often calling it "palace silk" making you think you're getting real silk. ;) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 16:07:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28773 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:07:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FJqSE29878; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FJqRN29057; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FJpLN28397 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip59.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.59]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6FJpGq28729 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Message-ID: <3D32C77F.30696.88E7F71@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <173.b37621c.2a62df8e@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:00:47 -0700 Status: RO > My most expensive stuff (carefully folded in my grandmother's > old > trunk.... > > Not to be a wet blanket, but could you roll it instead of folding it? > Won't the creases be hard to get out? Rolling does not totally negate creasing. I found out the hard way (because I thought that rolling would not wrinkle things as much as folding) that sometimes rolling is even worse. The whole thing turned into one mass of wrinkles. Technique while rolling is also important. Putting layers of acid free paper as you roll and rolling more loosely as you roll and putting nothing on top helps. However, since many conservators still fold (but open it out, air it out, put the acid free paper back in and then fold it using a different folding pattern), folding is still an option. (You just have to do it right too.) Keeping your special fabrics and clothing items conserved is time consuming and can be expensive if done 100% right (special acid free constructed closets with special humidity and airflow characteristics, acid free containers, acid free papers around everything.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 16:08:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28781 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:08:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FJq4E29813; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FJq1N28793; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FJpJN28362 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:51:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip59.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.59]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6FJpEq28717 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allergies vs Reactions Message-ID: <3D32C77F.12702.88E7F17@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D32536D.397E0371@dandy.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:00:47 -0700 Status: RO > He asked me if I had > any allergies, and I dutifully replied, as I had been taught by my > Mother, "Penicillin and Compozine". Rather than just write these down > (dutifully), he asked my why I thought I had those allergies. The > first was inherited, I told him, and the second came from an episode > when I was 18, when my appendix burst. He then asked if I had ever > been tested for these "allergies". I said "no", and he told me that > what I thought I had in the first case was unproven, and in the second > was a reaction, not an allergy. He asked if I wished to be tested for > the above. One of the problems with allergies *is* the terminology and also is "folk lore". A common "folklore" is that if your parent is allergic to something, then you are probably allergic to it too. However, have an allergic parent just means that you have a higher chance of being allergic to *anything* (and not necessarily the same thing as your parent.) Having two parents with allergies raises the risk still more (basic genetics.) An example, my mother is allergic to penicillin, but I'm allergic, not in the least to penicillin, but to codeine, sulfa and a few other things. Lucky me. But at least I didn't have the penicillin allergy too. *What* you become allergic to is totally dependant upon your exposure. If you get sulfa at the wrong time, rather than penicillin, then it is sulfa you will become allergic to. And there is *no* predicting what you will become allergic to. You can have an allergy starting on your last day of the medication (as you have to have some exposure *before* your first dose to acquire the allergy) or the first day (if and only if you were previously exposed, such as while your mom was nursing you she was on antibiotics for a breast infection, you've had the med before without any known problems, or it was in small doses in something else like the meat you ate at some point, or in extremely rare cases in a vegetable that had some naturally occurring medication in it.) Then there is the "allergy" which is because you had a bad time with a medication (such as vomiting, wry neck, dizziness, euphoria, etc.) People frequently say they have an allergy to things like wool, compazine, pain meds, etc. for this type of reason, which is more of a "reaction" than an allergy. Unfortunately, not everything that someone is allergic to can be tested for. Also, the means of testing can be "monitored trial" (ie. taking the substance, food or medication, while you are close to the doctor's office in case of problems), "food challenge" (eating the food to see if it still is a problem), blood tests (for some foods and meds), skin prick testing (for some foods, meds, animals, foreign substances such as chemicals, dust, dustmites and the like) and patch testing (chemicals, fabrics, etc.) Which type you use depends on the type and/or severity of the allergy (with true anaphylaxis being the most severe and skin rashes not considered severe unless it is major hives, aka true urticaria.) Some things they have tests for are not accurate for the thing they are testing. There was a big thing for food blood testing about 10 years ago where they did IgA testing. However, IgE testing is the only blood testing that works. IgA testing just means that you have been exposed to the item, usually recently, not that you have an allergy to it. It is sometimes useful for determining which things to do food challenges on (for food that don't have prick tests or IgE testing.) Hope that helps. June M. Russell, MD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 16:40:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28989 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FKP3E03225; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FKP1N18515; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f252.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.130]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FKO0N17910 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:23:54 -0700 Received: from 207.137.181.62 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:23:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.137.181.62] From: "Maggie Secara" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Very OT, but important if you're a Yahoo user Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 20:23:54.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A657F90:01C22C3D] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:23:54 -0700 Status: RO Yet another good reason not to use HTML mail. MaggiRos >From: kj green >Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Very OT, but important if you're a Yahoo user >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT) > > > If you use Yahoo, did you ever notice that your email doesn't always say >what you wrote? Read on... > >BTW--I did try it and the words *are* changed. Since this is going out >through my yahoo account, I put astericks in place of a vowel in each word >that Yahoo changes. > >Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:03:19 -0400 > > To: Declan McCullagh > > From: Monty Solomon > > Subject: Do y*u Y*h**? > > > > http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/12/ > > > > >> HARD NEWS << > > > > in powers of two > > > > Nice to see, in the midst of all these scandals, Yahoo > > turning a healthy profit. But as other companies fiddle the > > figures, Yahoo's been busy instead with fiddling its own > > users' private correspondence. In a fantastically clumsy > > attempt to prevent cross-site scripting attacks, the free > > e-mail wing of the sprawling giant has long been replacing > > complete English words in the text of HTML mail sent to its > > users. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 17:21:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29227 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:21:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FL64E07446; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FL61N13012; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FL5MN12583 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6FL5GK15539 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D333886.DA2BB3F4@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712114741.00a36ec0@postoffice.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:03:03 -0400 Status: RO I'm beginning to feel lucky...New York's an hour (depending on traffic - though I usually take the train) north and Philadelphia is a hour south. I've got Little India about 45 minutes away and an okay Jo-Ann's and Rag Shop close by plus one independent who seems to get fabric castoffs from New York in addition to other stuff. Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 17:42:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29408 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:42:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FLO3E10837; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FLO1N25498; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (inet-mail4.oracle.com [148.87.2.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FLNJN24961 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail4.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g6FLLJC06326 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (rgmgw6.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.15]) by inet-mail4.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.2/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g6FLLJ306314 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bperry_pc.oracle.com (dhcp-4op9-4op10-east-130-35-175-38.us.oracle.com [130.35.175.38]) by rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g6FLNCS15350 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715142224.00aa8d60@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: betsy.perry@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Elizabeth Hanes Perry Subject: Re: [h-cost] Very OT, but important if you're a Yahoo user In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:23:56 -0700 Status: RO This happens in plaintext E-mail as well. I've had it happen to me, both sending and receiving. It may be that the problem only occurs when you send the E-mail from a Yahoo address, because mail sent from Yahoo Mail passes through Yahoo's JavaScript composition page. Betsy Perry At 01:23 PM 7/15/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Yet another good reason not to use HTML mail. > >MaggiRos > > >>From: kj green >>Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com >>To: h-costume@indra.com >>Subject: [h-cost] Very OT, but important if you're a Yahoo user >>Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:00:40 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> If you use Yahoo, did you ever notice that your email doesn't always >> say what you wrote? Read on... >> >>BTW--I did try it and the words *are* changed. Since this is going out >>through my yahoo account, I put astericks in place of a vowel in each >>word that Yahoo changes. >> >>Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:03:19 -0400 >> > To: Declan McCullagh >> > From: Monty Solomon >> > Subject: Do y*u Y*h**? >> > >> > http://www.ntk.net/2002/07/12/ >> > >> > >> HARD NEWS << >> > >> > in powers of two >> > >> > Nice to see, in the midst of all these scandals, Yahoo >> > turning a healthy profit. But as other companies fiddle the >> > figures, Yahoo's been busy instead with fiddling its own >> > users' private correspondence. In a fantastically clumsy >> > attempt to prevent cross-site scripting attacks, the free >> > e-mail wing of the sprawling giant has long been replacing >> > complete English words in the text of HTML mail sent to its >> > users. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. - G. Keillor Betsy Hanes Perry betsy.perry@oracle.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 19:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30243 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:04:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FMn4E24857; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FMn2N18869; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FMmYN18662 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UEdm-0004aT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:48:26 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.78 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:48:26 -0400 Status: RO > > > He asked me if I had > > any allergies, and I dutifully replied, as I had been taught by my > > Mother, "Penicillin and Compozine". Rather than just write these down > > (dutifully), he asked my why I thought I had those allergies. The > > first was inherited, I told him, and the second came from an episode > > when I was 18, when my appendix burst. He then asked if I had ever > > been tested for these "allergies". I said "no", and he told me that > > what I thought I had in the first case was unproven, and in the second > > was a reaction, not an allergy. He asked if I wished to be tested for > > the above. > > One of the problems with allergies *is* the terminology and also is > "folk lore". > > A common "folklore" is that if your parent is allergic to something, > then you are probably allergic to it too. However, have an allergic > parent just means that you have a higher chance of being allergic > to *anything* (and not necessarily the same thing as your parent.) > Having two parents with allergies raises the risk still more (basic > genetics.) Interesting... I discovered I was allergic to penicillin after my first wisdom tooth extraction when I was 21. Up until that point, I had been routinely given penicillin (and amoxicillin) as a kid to combat strep throat infections that I would get nearly every year up until I was 17. After a week of being on the penicillin as a precaution following the oral surgery I broke out in a mild rash on my torso. The doctor took one look at it and said "You're having an allergic reaction. Quit taking the penicillin and never touch another antibiotic that ends in '- cillin' ever again." I stopped the penicillin and the rash went away and that was that. My dad was deathly allergic to penicillin, but we never assumed that would be enough to keep either my sister or I from taking it. His allergy showed up pretty much the same way mine did, though: After years of taking it as a kid, at the age of 21, after being drafted for Vietnam, he came down with a horrendous case of pneumonia. The doctors gave him penicillin and he broke out in huge purple welts all over his body. After that if he so much as breathed spores from mouldy bread he had an allergic reaction. My allergy is no where near as bad, and I sometimes wonder if I really was having allergic reaction, but my doctor advised me to just avoid the -cillin drugs to be on the safe side (he mentioned the possibility of inducing a worse reaction with a second exposure, and since I have a killer immune system and the drugs are rather over-prescribed to begin with, I'm not terribly worried). Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 19:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30293 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FMu4E25430; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FMu2N22531; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FMt4N22004 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 45601717 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00a901c22c52$86ab2a20$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] dress questions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:54:06 -0500 Status: RO http://www.marquise.de/1500/weigel/wgl22.shtml I just found this picture which is almost the exact same dress as the respectable woman of Geneva in Janet Arnold's book. I would like some of your opinions on a few questions I have. 1) The collar - how would this be made? attached? kept in an upright position? 2) The skirt/bodice meeting point - since her arms are crossed in front, can anyone take a guess if this is a separate bodice and skirt or a one-piece gown? Would the bodice come to a point in the front or be flat? On a second look, the guarding from the bodice does not follow down the front of the skirt. Would bodice and skirt, if separate, be different fabrics? 3) My guess is that there is no farthingale under this skirt - anyone else? 4) Any comments on the head gear? This is different than the Genevan woman, who has what looks like a caul and some sort of soft cap/hat on over that. Is this some variation of coif, perhaps? 5) Anyone know where Argentoratensis is? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 19:42:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30419 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FNR6E27981; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FNR2N07349; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FNQ0N06937 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [113.105.42.16] (ool-4353599f.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.89.159]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GZB008TJ8U93F@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Krecker-Schkred Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets In-reply-to: <3D333886.DA2BB3F4@mccc.edu> X-Sender: rhianwen@mail.optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712114741.00a36ec0@postoffice.att.net> <3D333886.DA2BB3F4@mccc.edu> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:53:52 -0400 Status: RO Really... That should put you in central New Jersey. So, where exactly are you. I'm in Whippany and the Garment district (seems at least) is a second home. Linda K-S At 5:03 PM -0400 7/15/02, Kate Pinner wrote: >I'm beginning to feel lucky...New York's an hour (depending on >traffic - though I >usually take the train) north and Philadelphia is a hour south. >I've got Little >India about 45 minutes away and an okay Jo-Ann's and Rag Shop close >by plus one >independent who seems to get fabric castoffs from New York in >addition to other >stuff. > >Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 19:52:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30465 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FNb2E28789; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FNb2N11309; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FNarN11259 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:36:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from netdefender.com (unverified [63.220.97.2]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3D335C9D.71EB0E25@netdefender.com> From: Jen Organization: NetDefender, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jen@netdefender.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:37:02 -0400 Status: RO How many people are interested in ordering a copy of the book? Maybe we can do better on the communications side if they only have to deal with one large order instead of lots of individual ones . . . --jen Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Oh boy, I'm feeling really embarrassed now, because it seems no one has > heard from the Kyoto Costume Institute about the book, even though I had no > problems. :-( If it helps any, this is the address of the person who > responded to me, and this is the email they responded with: > > From: "zK" > To: > Subject: Re: books from museum catalog > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:25:47 +0900 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > Thank you for your mail. > I could send you the catalogue by C.O.D.. > It is the only way to send you it. > When you order one catalogue, the estimation is > about US$45.(including the delivery cost) > Excuse me.The price you wrote in the mail is > only in Japan. > If you could accept this condition, please let me know > your address and telephone number. > > Sincerely, > Motofumi Suwa > The Kyoto Costume Institute > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 20:12:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30556 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:12:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6FNv2E00109; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:57:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FNv1N18422; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6FNuPN18197 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCssyFF2VrrXzmYHCUF1W3/ehlALpS/kB7w=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7SZ9YZH; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:56:10 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute Message-ID: <20020715.185544.-284093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:55:43 -0500 Status: RO I'd be interested in a copy for $45. If an order goes in, please count me in on it! Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 21:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30808 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G1I2E04202; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1I1N16173; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1HMN15954 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m229.in-tch.com [216.166.191.229]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6G13ZP23943 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:03:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D337579.B89AA887@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:23:05 -0600 Status: RO The stuff I've got in there is either not stuff that creases easily, or it's something like handkerchief linen that'll crease no matter what you do , until you wash it and iron it. Also, some of it's carefully folded with the right kind of paper. I live in a trailer, and don't really have any sort of room for rolled fabrics. I can put my best stuff (the really expensive brocades, the embroidered antique silk satin from my grandfather, the better pieces of wool, and my even-count-same-thread-count-in-both-directions handkerchief linen into that trunk and know that it's safe from critter nibbling (not mice, necessarily...I have a cat that eats silk and wool), and dust and snagging that might happen if it were on a roll and crammed into one of my two closets. --Sue Martha Kelly wrote: > > My most expensive stuff (carefully folded in my grandmother's old > trunk.... > > Not to be a wet blanket, but could you roll it instead of folding it? Won't > the creases be hard to get out? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 21:51:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30873 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:51:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G1a2E05180; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1a1N21627; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from epimetheus.hosting4u.net (epimetheus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.70]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6G1ZSN21471 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32392 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2002 01:35:27 -0000 Received: from libra.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.27) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 01:35:27 -0000 Received: from ctrlalt ([68.49.47.20]) by libra.hosting4u.net ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:35:25 -0500 From: "Allison Thurman" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017F_01C22C47.870CFA30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Rcpt-To: Subject: [h-cost] Costume College - final tally Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:35:22 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C22C47.870CFA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've made up a list of the folks who will be at Costume College. If others are interested, email me privately and I'll send it to you in .txt (plain text) format. I'd like to meet some of yall, and I thought the idea of adding a red "H" to our tags is as good an identified as any. Is that what I should look for, and put on my tag? Allison ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C22C47.870CFA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Costume College - final tally

I've made up a list of the folks who will be at = Costume College. If others are interested, email me privately and I'll = send it to you in .txt (plain text) format.

I'd like to meet some of yall, and I thought the idea = of adding a red "H" to our tags is as good an identified as = any. Is that what I should look for, and put on my tag?

Allison

------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C22C47.870CFA30-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 21:52:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30892 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:52:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G1bCE05282; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1bCN22078; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1anN21918 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.240] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAD784C00E4; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:45:59 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:48:29 -0400 Status: RO The first stage penicillin reaction is the fine rash, I had it too. But that's just the sensitivity stage. Next time, watch out. You may very well have an anaphylactic reaction----hives, swelling---including major swelling shut of the airway!----and extremely irregular heart beat. In other words, you can be dead in 5 or 10 minutes, and it won't be fun. I was about 45 when I got the rash, and was also told never to take any "illin" again also, unless as a last resort. And if you do ever wind up taking some, stick around, don't let them leave you alone. If it's going to happen, it will probably be right away, and can be treated. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 21:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31010 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:58:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G1i2E05645; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1i1N23998; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1hPN23799 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-44-10-174.s174.apx2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.10.174] helo=oldwaylane.net) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #5) id 17UHN6-0001nb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3D337BFB.9050206@oldwaylane.net> From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010801 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: judymitch@oldwaylane.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:50:51 -0400 Status: RO STRAIGHT wrote: > The first stage penicillin reaction is the fine rash, I had > it too. > But that's just the sensitivity stage. > > Next time, watch out. You may very well have an > anaphylactic reaction----hives, swelling---including major > swelling shut of the airway!----and extremely irregular > heart beat. > That's what someone told me, too but I wasn't sure if she knew what she was talking about. I've now gotten the rash reaction from 4 different antibiotics (I carry a note in my wallet on top of my license), and I've wondered if this could happen if somehow I got dosed with something by mistake. E-mycin, Amoxy, Bactrim and Sulfa (unless I'm confusing the last two and forgot what the 4th is) are all out of bounds for me. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 22:11:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31277 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G1u2E06252; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1u1N27561; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G1tPN27387 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020716015520.HSFL6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:55:20 +0000 Message-ID: <00d401c22c6b$d57850b0$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <20020715.185544.-284093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:55:16 -0700 Status: RO I'd be interested in the Revolution in Fashion book... Just haven't gotten around to contacting them. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 22:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31674 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:54:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G2c3E08358; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G2c2N09916; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:38:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G2b1N09620 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020716023655.PUGZ24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:36:55 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020715213434.036900c0@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-Reply-To: <3D335C9D.71EB0E25@netdefender.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:35:15 -0500 Status: RO At 07:37 PM 7/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: >How many people are interested in ordering a copy of the book? Maybe we can >do better on the communications side if they only have to deal with one large >order instead of lots of individual ones . . . > > >--jen I would definitely be interested. I've been lusting after that book for awhile... Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 22:56:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31686 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:56:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G2f3E08556; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G2f2N10842; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G2emN10740 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g6G2g4o07845 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207160242.g6G2g4o07845@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020715213434.036900c0@mail.attbi.com> "from Danielle Nunn-Weinberg at Jul 15, 2002 09:35:15 pm" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO me too -- and I did contact them, and heard back once, but not again. .heather. > At 07:37 PM 7/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >How many people are interested in ordering a copy of the book? Maybe we can > >do better on the communications side if they only have to deal with one large > >order instead of lots of individual ones . . . > > > > > >--jen > > I would definitely be interested. I've been lusting after that book for > awhile... > > Cheers, > Danielle > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Jul 15 23:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31846 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G3O2E10698; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G3O1N23119; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rastaban.dandy.net (rastaban.dandy.net [209.128.224.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G3NAN22823 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dandy.net (pvil2121.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.237.121]) by rastaban.dandy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15600 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:23:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3D338FF2.B1A532E0@dandy.net> From: leigh tartaglio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? References: <20020715072302.61570.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:16:02 -0400 Status: RO Hi. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say that Aachen wasn't anything other than beautiful, just recounting what I found when I was there long ago, but quite a few years after the war. I'm glad that things were cleaned up. I was truly surprised when I came across the buildings back then. I also got a nasty surprise that day when I was stopped by the Grenschutzpolizei while perusing a Red Brigades/ Bader Meinhoff Gang poster. Up until that time, I had never had a fully automatic loaded and cocked weapon pointed at me. It made me realize that I had taken my American freedoms for granted (which I never have again, and is even more meaningful in these latter days). I'm glad to know that things improved since then. I have always been and will always be a Germanophile. As to the obligatory costume content, I believe that the Cathedral at Aachen has some lovely textiles from Charlemagne's time onward on display, as well as some furniture and jewelry. Besides that, it is the crossroads into the three other neighboring countries. Cheers, Mike T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 00:27:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31970 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:27:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G4C4E13010; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:12:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G4C1N06943; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G4BrN06902 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from momdad (dialup-65.59.82.27.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net [65.59.82.27]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6G4Bpm162726 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: <00dc01c22c7f$22371860$1b523b41@momdad> From: "HEATHER A CUTLER" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> <3D335C9D.71EB0E25@netdefender.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:13:24 -0400 Status: RO I'd be interested. Moira > How many people are interested in ordering a copy of the book? Maybe we can > do better on the communications side if they only have to deal with one large > order instead of lots of individual ones . . . > > > --jen > > > > > Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Oh boy, I'm feeling really embarrassed now, because it seems no one has > > heard from the Kyoto Costume Institute about the book, even though I had no > > problems. :-( If it helps any, this is the address of the person who > > responded to me, and this is the email they responded with: > > > > From: "zK" > > To: > > Subject: Re: books from museum catalog > > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:25:47 +0900 > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > > > Thank you for your mail. > > I could send you the catalogue by C.O.D.. > > It is the only way to send you it. > > When you order one catalogue, the estimation is > > about US$45.(including the delivery cost) > > Excuse me.The price you wrote in the mail is > > only in Japan. > > If you could accept this condition, please let me know > > your address and telephone number. > > > > Sincerely, > > Motofumi Suwa > > The Kyoto Costume Institute > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 00:46:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32016 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:46:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G4W3E13882; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G4W2N12031; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe31.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G4VwN12002 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:31:52 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "H-Costume@Indra.Com" References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> <3D335C9D.71EB0E25@netdefender.com> <00dc01c22c7f$22371860$1b523b41@momdad> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 04:31:52.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[B593F090:01C22C81] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:31:02 -0400 Status: RO I'm very interested. I contacted them already through the general address - no luck. So if someone is organizing a general order and has more luck with it, I'd very gladly jump in! Audrey > > How many people are interested in ordering a copy of the book? Maybe we > can > > do better on the communications side if they only have to deal with one > large > > order instead of lots of individual ones . . . > > > > > > --jen > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 01:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32108 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G523E15284; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G522N19811; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G51SN19585 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-77.gti.net [208.216.115.77]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 84E5F358B1 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D33A8A9.CFD83C61@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> <3D335C9D.71EB0E25@netdefender.com> <00dc01c22c7f$22371860$1b523b41@momdad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:01:29 -0400 Status: RO Two days ago I sent e-maile to kci-suwa@wacoal.co.jp. My order was for the book "Japonism in Fashion" and "Revolution in Fashion", the video (I already have the book).. I have yet to receive a response as well. My guess is that there is probably only one person there who speaks enough English to respond properly & when that person gets the veritable diluge of messages they've received from us, he/she will respond... I mean, there's obviously someone there, right? Sometimes these things take time.. Deb R. > How many people are interested in ordering a copy of the book? Maybe we can > do better on the communications side if they only have to deal with one large > order instead of lots of individual ones . . . > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 01:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32148 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G5A2E15655; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G5A2N22043; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G59LN21836 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:09:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from straight [216.42.122.240] by infoblvd.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id ACAC1424010C; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:18:36 -0400 From: "STRAIGHT " To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <3D337BFB.9050206@oldwaylane.net> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:21:05 -0400 Status: RO <<<<<<<<>>>>>. That's a nice assortment. Pretty well covers most of the major antibiotic families. For heaven's sake, don't stick yourself with anything "interesting"! Erithromycin-----there's a whole "family" of mycins and myecins (which are not quite the same thing, I did not misspell them). . Amoxy -----is amoxicillin, another penicillin, specifically good for ear infections. They give it to kids a lot, and adults for sinus infections and stuff like that. Seems to work better for some people than others. Bactrim ----I don't know much about that one, but it sounds like Bacitracin or Bactine, the common stuff for cuts, etc. Read the labels and ask the druggist, it's in a lot of tubes of over-the-counter meds, like Triple Antiobiotic, etc. Sulfa -----baddie. My daughter had a reaction to this one, big blisters on her face that took 2 weeks to heal. They use it for urinary infections, and you have to drink a LOT of water to avoid worse bladder problems. One of the kid's antibiotics is half sulfa and half something else. I can't remember the name, guess I better go look that one up and keep it handy. I find it interesting that a lot of people don't get along with sulfa, yet it is, or was, the basic item in the military first aid kits. Probably was not very interesting to somebody who got hurt, then had a bad reaction to the sulfa on top of it. Diane S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 01:30:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32164 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G5E2E15820; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G5E2N23224; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G5DnN23158 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g6G5DJdU019955; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:13:21 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "SCA-GARB" , "H-Costume" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Subject: [h-cost] Books from David Brown Book Company Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:22:24 -0700 Status: RO Just got a note from Kristin Payne who used to be at Boydell and Brewer publishers. She has now moved on to David Brown Book Company, and sent along some information on textile books they carrying. In addition to Stepping Through Time: a history of shoes from Pre-history to 1800 they carry this one, something that a number of people on this list have been interested in: Ancient Danish Textiles from Bogs and Burials MARGARETHE HALD This ‘comparative study of costume and Iron Age textiles’ discusses the often remarkably well preserved textiles and other garments from prehistoric deposits and burials in Denmark’s numerous mose. Hald examines in turn textiles and skins from peat bogs; textiles from settlements and graves; raw materials and spinning; woven fabrics and their construction; dating prehistoric Danish weaves; looms and fabrics; needle and sewing; prehistoric costume. 8 74800 312 3, 398p with 465 figs & illus., Hardback (National Museum of Denmark 1980) Publishers Price US $70.00 DBBC Price US $56.00 Otheres are: North European Textiles until AD. 1000 LISE BENDER JORGENSEN This book is firstly an enormous catalogue of all textile finds from prehistoric, Roman and medieval contexts in Great Britain, Ireland, the Netherlands, Germany, Poland and Scandinavia. This data is used to show that the first steps towards organized textile production in northern Europe were taken more than 2,500 years ago, and that the industry that was to centre itself around the English Channel and North Sea coastal areas played an important part in the rise of the Carolingian Empire and Anglo-Saxon England. 8 77288 416 9, 285p with 206 figs, maps, photos and illus., Hardback, (Aarhus UP 1992) Publishers Price US $59.95 DBBC Price US $47.96 Textiles in European Archaeology LISE BENDER JORGENSEN Thirty-three articles by 38 authors on various aspects of archaeological textiles from the prehistoric, Roman, Migration period, Viking Age, Medieval and later periods. These papers were given at the 6th triennial meeting of the North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles held 7th-11th May 1995 in Borås. 9 18595 274 5, 330p, Paperback (GOTARC Series A, Volume 1 Goteborgs Univeritet) DBBC Price US $43.50 Archaeological Textiles in Northern Europe EDITED BY LISE BENDER JORGENSEN AND ELISABETH MUNKSGAARD The report from the fourth NESAT symposium, held in Denmark in 1990, to promote the study and publication of textiles from archaeological sites in northern Europe, contains 26 contributions in English and German. They include: Neolitische Textilien im Raum Zurich (A Rast-Eicher); Pre-Roman Iron Age textiles in Europe north of the Alps (L B Jorgensen); Vindolanda 1985-89 (JP Wild); Aspects of the wool textiles from Viking Age Dublin (F Pritchard); Silk threads on leather objects from the Middle Ages (I R Pedersen); The wools in some medieval textiles from Bryggen (E Schjolberg); Experimente am Gewichts-, Rund- und Trittwebstuhl im Mittelalterlicher Museumsdorf Duppel (A Goldmann); Drying archaeological textiles (E P Peacock); Quantitative research in ancient textiles and freeze drying (W D Cooke & E P Peacock). 8 78973 004 6, 237p with figs and illus., Paperback, (Viborg Museum 1992) DBBC Price US $68.50 Textiles in Northern Archaeology PENELOPE WALTON These 25 papers from the third (1987) NESAT symposium at York range from the Neolithic of Northern Europe and the Swiss lakes to 17th-century garments in graves at Spitzbergen and in coffins at Roskilde cathedral, by way of prehistoric to Roman weaving systems in SW Europe, prehistoric dyes, Anglo-Saxon ‘relic’ boxes, the Maaseik embroideries, Viking age techniques (spinning, silk and wool headcoverings, women’s dress), Medieval textiles (in Gdansk, patterned weaves, embroidery) and others. They represent not only the latest research, but a first rate introduction to the subject. The volume is dedicated to Elisabeth Crowfoot. 1 87313 205 0, 231p with photos throughout, Paperback, (NESAT/Archetype 1990) DBBC Price US $30.00 The Roman Textile Industry and its influence EDITED BY PENELOPE WALTON ROGERS, LISE BENDER JORGENSEN AND ANTOINETTE RAST-EICHER Textiles were a hugely important Roman industry yet, because of their perishable nature, only fragments remain. These twenty-two essays provide a detailed study of surviving fragments from across the Roman world, from the dry sands of Egypt to the Atlantic coast and the northern frontiers and beyond. The result is a comprehensive reconstruction of both everyday and exotic Roman clothing with information about the influences of fashion and of Roman weaving techniques. Written by friends and colleagues, the contributions are offered as a tribute to John Peter Wild whose own studies of Roman textiles have been the inspiration of so much recent work. 1 84217 046 5, 200p, 4 col pls, illus, Hardback, (Oxbow Books 2001) Publishers Price US $35.00 DBBC Price US $28.00 Studies in Textile History EDITED BY VERONIKA GERVERS This is a diverse collection of 25 essays on ancient textiles presented to Harold Burnham, former curator of textiles at the Royal Ontario Museum. Papers include: Icelandic medieval embroidery terms and techniques (Elsa Gudjonsson); Archaeological and ethnological considerations of the floor-braced body-tension loom (John Vollmer) and Examples of medieval tablet-woven bans (Sigrid Muller-Christensen). 0 88854 192 9, 370p, many b/w pls, Hardback, (ROM 1977) Publishers price US $45.00 DBBC Price US $12.98 Textiles: A Classification of Techniques ANNEMARIE SEILER-BALDINGER An illustrated practical guide to the production of threads and fabrics, weaving and fabric ornamentation and processing which includes ethnographic and archaeological research from many different cultures. Includes a substantial bibliography. 1 86333 110 7, 256p, 32 col pls, 300+ b/w figs, Paperback, (Crawford House 1994) Publishers price US $17.95 DBBC Price US $14.98 Textiles of Late Antiquity ANNEMARIE STAUFFER A handbook to a 1996 exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum in New York with a brief introductory essay and descriptions of 61 exhibited items from across the Eastern Mediterranean, Asia Minor, Egypt and the Near East. 48p, 30 col pls, b/w illus., Paperback, (Metropolitan Museum 1995) Publishers price US $8.95 DBBC Price US $3.98 Van Dyck and the Representation of Dress in Seventeenth-Century Portraiture. E. GORDENKER This book shows that an understanding of dress can offer a new way of revealing the associations and ideals that a portrait may have projected, and that the history of costume provides a unique set of tools with which to analyse the creativity and contributions of Van Dyck. 2 503 50880 4, 350 p., 100 b/w illus.+16 colour illus., Hardback (Brepols Publishers 2002) Publishers Price: $90.00 DBBC Price US $72.00 Wanda "Never try and apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 01:39:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA32180 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G5O4E16280; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G5O2N26302; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G5NeN26174 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:23:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-77.gti.net [208.216.115.77]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id AF489354BF for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D33ADDD.D3347D8C@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020715113922.00a349b0@postoffice.att.net> <3D335C9D.71EB0E25@netdefender.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:23:42 -0400 Status: RO Hey, it's not your fault-don't be embarrased..It's just that now they have been bombarded with e-mails from all of us here on this list, mostly asking for that one book. When you wrote them, I'm sure it was probably just you & maybe one other random person e-mailing them with requests. I saw this happen before on a button collectors' e-list; everyone decides all at once to order like, one thing & the folks with the coveted items, in this case the Kyoto, ends up overwhelmed by a sudden onslaught of demands for merchandise, in this case, books. But then again, everyone wants what they want, and right now(!), so it's not likely anyone will wait a while to order.. Deb R. > Oh boy, I'm feeling really embarrassed now, because it seems no one has heard > from the Kyoto Costume Institute about the book, even though I had no problems. > :-( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 03:06:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32599 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:06:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G6p3E19750; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G6p1N19068; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G6omN19003 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-77.gti.net [208.216.115.77]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id 5472A3573F for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D33C24A.20513908@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric shops in the UK References: <20020715092500.16078.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:50:50 -0400 Status: RO You are so right, the silk at this site is absolutely beautiful and I'm sure it's worth it every cent. Ye Gods, I wish I had a suitcase full of $20s! *Sob.* ......... Deb R. Love the grapevine embroidery on this page: http://www.hansson-silks.co.uk/plainembroideries.html ...and the tissue embroidery here... http://www.hansson-silks.co.uk/tissueembroideries.html > There is a superb silk shop in Guildford, Surrey. It is Hansson Silks. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 03:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11069 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:29:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6G7D2E20664; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6G7D1N24435; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6G7CXN24308 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 01:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020716071232.80825.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:12:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Austrian/German holiday: suggestions? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D338FF2.B1A532E0@dandy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:12:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- leigh tartaglio wrote: > Hi. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to say that Aachen wasn't anything other than > beautiful, just recounting what I found when I was there long ago, but quite > a few > years after the war. You are talking about the 1970s I presume. I also got a nasty surprise that > day > when I was stopped by the Grenschutzpolizei while perusing a Red Brigades/ > Bader > Meinhoff Gang poster. You did something apparently foolish in the 1970s. A) there are NO borders anymore because you are talking about continental Europe. Aachen used to be at the border to two countries. Holland and Belgium, it still is, but one just hops to and fro nowadays. I don't know if you realise this, but terrorism was very bad in the 70s by the RAF, the Bader Meinhoff gang, just like terrorism was very bad for the UK with teh IRA, I think in the 80s. Well, guess it seems as if terrorism had shifted now away from Europe. Terrorism is horrendeous, but we here grew up with it. That doesn't make it any better (gods, no!) but is just one of thse things. I live between the Royal Engineers and the Gurka barracks, there are no litterbins anywhere, and still we get the occasional bomb threat. Oh well, we just gather all with the pets in the nearest safe pub and wait and see and hope our houses won't explode. I know that sounds off hand, but there you are, not much can phaze the British I guess. (and the bloody foreigners living there *laughs*) Up until that time, I had never had a fully automatic > loaded > and cocked weapon pointed at me. As I said, it was 1970s and in the height of RAF terrorism. It was terrible, though I was a kid I do remmeber and I also remeber the satisfaction with which faces were crossed out on the terrorist posters, when they finally got the killers. It made me realize that I had taken my > American > freedoms for granted EXCUSE ME?! Could you explain what that means, American freedoms? I very much disagree, what do you think is going on nowadays in America with the terrorism scare, don't you think the same could happen to you over where you live, when the fears are high? That doesn't have anything to do with not having freedom. We never did not have freedom at home. (which I never have again, and is even more meaningful > in > these latter days). I'm glad to know that things improved since then. I have It is not about improving, it is about terrorism having died down in germany and because England was talking to the IRA finally, it has died down here too, but it still is a threat. Take Spain and the Basks for example. Sorry, you just hit anerve here, I am a very proud and very happy European and wouldn't want to be anything else. Very proud indeed. Better back to costume content. > believe that the Cathedral at Aachen has some lovely textiles from > Charlemagne's > time onward on display, as well as some furniture and jewelry. As I said, the treasury has a lovely rotating display, some of the garments are BEAUTIFUL! You are going to drool about te beading and stones and embroidery... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 10:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11508 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:18:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GE29E06591; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GE24N03612; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GE1uN03527 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from momdad (dialup-63.208.201.162.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net [63.208.201.162]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g6GE1ta213726 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c22cd1$9070e520$a2c9d03f@momdad> From: "HEATHER A CUTLER" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books from David Brown Book Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:03:27 -0400 Status: RO Wanda, First, let me say you can truly be an evil woman! I don't possibly have enough Birthdays and Anniversaries/Christmases to get all of these that I now want. (thanks, btw- a lot of these are in specific areas I was interested in going next.) Second, I love your signature line.;-D Moira a fan of B-5, most Star Trek series', Earth Final Conflict, Quantum Leap, old Twilight Zone, etc. (gotta corrupt the kids somehow, right?) In addition to Stepping Through Time: a history of shoes from Pre-history to 1800 they carry this one, something that a number of people on this list have been interested in: Wanda "Never try and apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 10:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11607 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GES4E08477; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GES3N14643; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailjaya.creighton.edu (MailjayA.creighton.edu [147.134.2.126]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GERuN14578 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brujne (Cindy-Abel.creighton.edu [147.134.201.85]) by mailjaya.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11641 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:27:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000c01c22cd4$dac49380$55c98693@creighton.edu> From: "Cynthia Abel" To: References: <20020715.185544.-284093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:27:02 -0500 Status: RO At least the price hasn't gone up, even though the cover might have changed(or is the cover on the website actually the box for the video?). I bought mine a good five years ago and paid about $45 for it. But my bookstore(whose employee went the extra mile in return for a peek at the book)found a stateside source. This book is just priceless!! BTW, does anyone on the list know a rough conversion from Yen to US$ and if the video works in US VCR's In Japanese or English, to view some of what's in the book on video--for us that have frame advance or slow mo features on our VCRs--to get to view the actual costumes in possibly more than one view. Yum, Yum! Cindy Abel ILL Coordinator Health Sciences Library Creighton University 2500 California Plaza Omaha NE 68178-0210 Phone: 402. 280-5144 Fax: 402.280-5134 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 10:52:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11654 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:52:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GEb2E09175; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEb1N18750; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f112.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEalN18620 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:36:42 -0700 Received: from 63.162.162.157 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:36:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.162.162.157] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books from David Brown Book Company Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 14:36:42.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[33E7D4D0:01C22CD6] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:36:42 +0000 Status: RO Do they have a website one can order from? Mary/Katerine >Just got a note from Kristin Payne who used to be at Boydell and Brewer >publishers. She has now moved on to David Brown Book Company, and sent >along some information on textile books they carrying. > >In addition to Stepping Through Time: a history of shoes from Pre-history >to >1800 they carry this one, something that a number of people on this list >have been interested in: > > >Ancient Danish Textiles from Bogs and Burials >MARGARETHE HALD >This ‘comparative study of costume and Iron Age textiles’ discusses the >often remarkably well preserved textiles and other garments from >prehistoric deposits and burials in Denmark’s numerous mose. Hald examines >in turn textiles and skins from peat bogs; textiles from settlements and >graves; raw materials and spinning; woven fabrics and their construction; >dating prehistoric Danish weaves; looms and fabrics; needle and sewing; >prehistoric costume. >8 74800 312 3, 398p with 465 figs & illus., Hardback (National Museum of >Denmark 1980) >Publishers Price US $70.00 >DBBC Price US $56.00 > >Otheres are: > > >North European Textiles until AD. 1000 >LISE BENDER JORGENSEN >This book is firstly an enormous catalogue of all textile finds from >prehistoric, Roman and medieval contexts in Great Britain, Ireland, the >Netherlands, Germany, Poland and Scandinavia. This data is used to show >that the first steps towards organized textile production in northern >Europe were taken more than 2,500 years ago, and that the industry that was >to centre itself around the English Channel and North Sea coastal areas >played an important part in the rise of the Carolingian Empire and >Anglo-Saxon England. 8 77288 416 9, 285p with 206 figs, maps, photos and >illus., Hardback, (Aarhus UP 1992) >Publishers Price US $59.95 >DBBC Price US $47.96 > >Textiles in European Archaeology >LISE BENDER JORGENSEN >Thirty-three articles by 38 authors on various aspects of archaeological >textiles from the prehistoric, Roman, Migration period, Viking Age, >Medieval and later periods. These papers were given at the 6th triennial >meeting of the North European Symposium for Archaeological Textiles held >7th-11th May 1995 in Borås. >9 18595 274 5, 330p, Paperback (GOTARC Series A, Volume 1 Goteborgs >Univeritet) >DBBC Price US $43.50 > >Archaeological Textiles in Northern Europe >EDITED BY LISE BENDER JORGENSEN AND ELISABETH MUNKSGAARD >The report from the fourth NESAT symposium, held in Denmark in 1990, to >promote the study and publication of textiles from archaeological sites in >northern Europe, contains 26 contributions in English and German. 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Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:35:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > watched with equanimity as a table of wonderful 100% linens, as > low as $3/yard, has slowly disappeared. I restricted myself to > just 10 yards of red, 6 of blue, about 8 of white. (Hmm, now it > doesn't sound that restricted, does it? I'm trying to decide exactly what I'm going to make with the 10 metres of diamond and trellis patterned linen damask I bought at the weekend (it's white so I can shove finished garments in the machine and dye them whatever colour I want - Yay!). I couldn't resist it. It's too heavy for shirts/smocks but not so heavy that it wouldn't need interlining with somthing with a little more body to make smooth fitting bodices and doublets. The diamonds are about 2.5 inches high from point to point and the trellis around them about 3 inches and it just looked so sumptuos that I couldn't resist the chance to get a linen (oh so cool and comfy to wear in hot weather despite Robin's teasing about not needing it in England...) that doesn't look like a linen. I figure that I could make a couple of pair of 15th century hose from it and still have 8 metres or more left to make a big houpellande or sevelar smaller garments from... but can't decide what (and will probably not get around to makeing them for ages anyway > Add me to the list of those who buy less and better. I have been > slowly getting rid of the stash of "finds" I stocked up in my > youth, when I had less discriminating tastes (and was still using > cotton). Now I buy only linen, silk, and wool for costume use. I no longer get as tempted by fabrics for "fantasy" or SF costumes as I used to. Most of my historicals can edouble up as Fantasy ones anyway (so many fantsasty books, films, gaming sustems have pseudo-historical settings) that I prefer to emphasise the suitability for historical and use the costumes for both than to go for something only really suitable for fantasy and SF event use. Now, if only I could get around to using the various patterned (mostly checks and tartans) wools I've obtained over the years, my stash would be considerably reduced in bulk and I would have some justification for having bought so many patterned wools (rather than never having used *any* of them)... .... except for one pair of very basic drawstring trous and a matching teddy-bear from the offcuts. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11730 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GEn6E10259; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEn5N24380; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEmTN24069 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6GEmOK08015 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3431B2.1DE76F96@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College - final tally References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------A0FA7F355698C796C5A1080C" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:46:11 -0400 Status: RO --------------A0FA7F355698C796C5A1080C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit silly question -- ya'll have been talking about this Costume College in Calif. But when is it? Kate > I've made up a list of the folks who will be at Costume College. If > others are interested, email me privately and I'll send it to you in > .txt (plain text) format. > > I'd like to meet some of yall, and I thought the idea of adding a red > "H" to our tags is as good an identified as any. Is that what I should > look for, and put on my tag? > > Allison --------------A0FA7F355698C796C5A1080C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit silly question -- ya'll have been talking about this Costume College in Calif.  But when is it?
Kate
I've made up a list of the folks who will be at Costume College. If others are interested, email me privately and I'll send it to you in .txt (plain text) format.

I'd like to meet some of yall, and I thought the idea of adding a red "H" to our tags is as good an identified as any. Is that what I should look for, and put on my tag?

Allison

--------------A0FA7F355698C796C5A1080C-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:06:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11747 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:06:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GEp2E10400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEp1N25206; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEoJN24900 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:50:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK627R5FM8000G9X@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:49:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK627G0A4G000IT1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:49:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:45:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:45:28 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:45:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <200207111550.g6BFo8417567@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C762707DF4@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (Just been visiting the suggested Silk sites, and drooling over the > keyboard. But as yet it would not be a good idea for me to take > scissors to fabric of that sort of quality and price). Hi Jane, Ask Gillian to tell you the address of the silk place near Dartford where we bought the fabric for Kethry's yellow and purple renaissance outfit the other year.... They don't have much in the way of heavy silks (no velvets) or period patterns but the plain-dyed colours of shirt-weight and slightly heavier silks are a reasonable price, especailly if you want to do something special for Court wear. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:08:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11769 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:08:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GEr1E10574; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEr1N26074; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEq0N25649 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK62A34VRK000IBF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:51:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK629WY4XU000J1X@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:51:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:47:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:47:08 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:46:58 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <200207111550.g6BFo8417567@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C7698317B9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > How far back does velvet go, anyway? Not far enough for T-tunics to be made of it.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:11:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11799 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:11:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GEu2E10901; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEu1N27740; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GEtdN27521 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK62EW7FE8000D5Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:55:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK62EVXM7W000IVA@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:55:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:51:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:51:04 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:50:52 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <200207111550.g6BFo8417567@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C77A4A487B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:50:52 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > 12th and 13th Century Velvet: > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/5459/bliaut3.html > includes the comment "Fragments of twill and cotton velvet have been > found dating back to 9th century France". I wonder what they used it > for back then? T-tunics? Perhaps I spoke too soon.... or perhaps it was only a furnishing fabric then? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11852 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GF62E11776; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GF61N02776; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GF5eN02588 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK62QVG1RK000J18@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:05:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK62QDS39Q000J1X@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:04:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:01:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:00:32 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:00:25 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <200207111802.g6BI2K403290@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C7A2B55F92@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:00:25 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > For the 16th C as well (although the pieces that the V&A had from > that time period looked more like upholstery weight then clothing > weight.) > > The first velvets show up in the 12th century but initially they > were only used by the church in vestments, altar cloths and the > like. Use for non-church clothing came a bit later. Don't they have a (13th century I think) embroidered red velvet cope on display that was cut up and made into another garment (tunicle or dalamtic?) later, then was pieced back together into a cope? To me it looked just like the worn red velvet of the seats you used to get in old cinemas... well the bits not covered in embroidery did anyway. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11964 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:29:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GFE3E12462; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:14:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GFE2N06938; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GFDAN06456 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK630L2K5S000D5Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK630KP4ZK000J1X@mdx.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:13:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:09:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:08:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:08:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this In-reply-to: <200207112210.g6BMA9420397@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C7C4A34095@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:08:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Sue Clemenger wrote > >Is that *with* an iron afterbath, or *without?* > >--sue, completely enamored of tansy-dyed wool..... > > I think the best glow comes from the plutonium afterbath :-) (sorry, > I'm not the dyer, I have absolutely no idea!) Having seen the sickly colours produced on wool from tansy dying this weekend, I have to say I don't care what was used.... The colours reminded me of bile with a fluorescent tinge..... As I described that range of colours a few years ago - "the sort of green that narrowly misses being a particularly noxious shade of yellow and would probably have been better if it hadn't" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:29:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11968 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:29:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GFEAE12484; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GFE9N07018; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GFDAN06460 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK630L2K5S000D5Q@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@net.indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:13:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK630KP4ZK000J1X@mdx.ac.uk>; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:13:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:09:19 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:08:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.109) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:08:24 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this In-reply-to: <200207112210.g6BMA9420397@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1C7C4A34095@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:08:24 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Sue Clemenger wrote > >Is that *with* an iron afterbath, or *without?* > >--sue, completely enamored of tansy-dyed wool..... > > I think the best glow comes from the plutonium afterbath :-) (sorry, > I'm not the dyer, I have absolutely no idea!) Having seen the sickly colours produced on wool from tansy dying this weekend, I have to say I don't care what was used.... The colours reminded me of bile with a fluorescent tinge..... As I described that range of colours a few years ago - "the sort of green that narrowly misses being a particularly noxious shade of yellow and would probably have been better if it hadn't" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 11:39:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12023 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GFO3E13584; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:24:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GFO2N12391; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu (tecoma.mccc.edu [198.133.170.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GFNvN12337 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccc.edu (th119-1.mccc.edu [207.8.248.196]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g6GFNqK09662 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D3439FB.38611D9D@mccc.edu> From: Kate Pinner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: fabric stores, was: different velvets References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020712114741.00a36ec0@postoffice.att.net> <3D333886.DA2BB3F4@mccc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:32 -0400 Status: RO A tiny town called Allentown, just off exit 7a of the turnpike, between exits 7 & 8 of 195 so I can be on the turnpike in less than 5 minutes (or 130 or 206 or on my way to 95 in no time). Getting to Edison for Little India is actually the worst traffic 'cause it's route1. Kate Linda Krecker-Schkred wrote: > Really... That should put you in central New Jersey. > > So, where exactly are you. I'm in Whippany and the Garment district > (seems at least) is a second home. > > Linda K-S > > At 5:03 PM -0400 7/15/02, Kate Pinner wrote: > >I'm beginning to feel lucky...New York's an hour (depending on > >traffic - though I > >usually take the train) north and Philadelphia is a hour south. > >I've got Little > >India about 45 minutes away and an okay Jo-Ann's and Rag Shop close > >by plus one > >independent who seems to get fabric castoffs from New York in > >addition to other > >stuff. > > > >Kate > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 12:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13254 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GGb5E21063; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GGb3N22749; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21303.mail.yahoo.com (web21303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6GGaXN22509 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:36:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020716163632.93140.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:36:32 PDT From: kj green Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume College - final tally To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D3431B2.1DE76F96@mccc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO It's this coming weekend. A friend of mine is going--wish I could...*sigh* kate --- Kate Pinner wrote: > silly question -- ya'll have been talking about this > Costume College in > Calif. But when is it? > Kate > > > I've made up a list of the folks who will be at > Costume College. If > > others are interested, email me privately and I'll > send it to you in > > .txt (plain text) format. > > > > I'd like to meet some of yall, and I thought the > idea of adding a red > > "H" to our tags is as good an identified as any. > Is that what I should > > look for, and put on my tag? > > > > Allison > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 13:21:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13671 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:21:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GH62E23820; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GH61N09642; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GH5UN09392 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip56.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.56]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6GH5Qo06844 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:05:26 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions Message-ID: <3D33F211.26121.D1CF92F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:14:41 -0700 Status: RO > The first stage penicillin reaction is the fine rash, I had > it too. > But that's just the sensitivity stage. > > Next time, watch out. You may very well have an > anaphylactic reaction----hives, swelling---including major > swelling shut of the airway!----and extremely irregular > heart beat. > In other words, you can be dead in 5 or 10 minutes, and it > won't be fun. This is not always true. While sometimes this can be the first sign that you may have an allergy, it may be some other cause. Especially in children and teens, it may be an interaction between the antibiotic and the virus (which has *nothing* to do with an allergic reaction. Amoxicillin or ampicillin and mononucleosis is a very good example, but some cold and stomach "flu" viruses can do the same things, such as the echo viruses.) It could be a simple viral rash as well (which many of the cold viruses and stomach "flu" viruses can do extremely well even without an antibiotic any where near.) It's one of the reasons I don't like prescribing antibiotics when someone has had a cold for less than 10 days (no matter how much the patient or parent begs). We'd get a *lot* less "antibiotic allergies" that way! But then, it's well known that most doctors prescribe *way* too many antibiotics for the wrong reasons (faster than talking the patient/parent out of it and major pressure from parents/patients.) At least since the early 70's we doctors have been told that giving antibiotics can cause major shifts in the antibiotic resistance in communities. In the early 80s we saw that as a major problem with the hemophilus influenza bacteria (aka "H-flu", which HIB prevents) and in the last 5 years with streptococcus pneumonia (the "pneumococcus", which we also have a vaccine to combat.) We don't even need to talk about multiresistant staphylococcus ("staph" now getting MRSC although that is mostly a problem in hospitals and with patients who have major things going on like needing special catheters, trachs, surgically implanted feeding tubes, etc.) OK, I'll get down off my soapbox now. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 13:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13910 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GHRDE25980; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GHR2N21615; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GHQWN21327 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:26:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UW5n-000Ifh-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:26:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:03:16 +0100 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote > >On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Jean Waddie wrote: > >> The idea of needing to cater to the home sewer - well, I don't think >> any of the marketing bods in general retail would even recognise the >> existence of home sewing in this country. > >I think you hit an important difference there between the UK and the US. I >have a sense that sewing is not as typical an occupation for the British >as it is for us. > >For example, in the States, when I was in school at least, girls had many >chances to learn to sew, and you'd be more surprised to find a girl who >didn't have at least some basic sewing experience than one who did. We >could take "home economics" or sewing classes in school. (Boys were more >likely to take "shop" classes that included woodworking and similar >skills. Today I gather that the names of the classes are less >gender-oriented, and students are welcome to take whichever they want, but >I suspect some noticeable gender division remains in class makeup.) I >didn't take sewing in school because I'd learned in Girl Scouts, another >typical option. Some of my friends learned from their mothers, >grandmothers, or sisters. It's common to have a sewing machine in one's >home -- even my mother, who doesn't sew, had (and still has) a machine for >mending. Also, crafts such as quilting, which require some sewing >equipment and knowledge, are extremely popular. > >Am I correct in my impression that this is not the state in Britain? If >sewing is considered a specialty skill or hobby, fabric stores would be >considered specialty stores. That's the niche that leather or woodworking >stores occupy here -- that is, those are crafts that require specific >materials, but you're very lucky if you have a suitable supplier in town, >and you'd expect to find them in out-of-the-way places. > >I suspect that if it wasn't for the huge popularity of quilting and >similar crafts here, sewing stores would be far less common and accessible >than they are today. > >--Robin Robin, I'm sure other people around here know, but I don't have much idea how long it is since you were in school. I'm 33. My mother taught needlework, and in the schools she was in, all the girls (they were single-sex schools) did at least one or two years. We also had needlework at school, and I remember making a fluffy rabbit at Brownies, but somehow it doesn't go on in this country. It's one of those things they make you do at school but nobody ever does it at home. It's just cultural, I'm not sure why. I agree, dressmaking nowadays is considered a minority hobby, rather than an essential - patchwork and home decorating are on the up, so those shops are more common. I just can't imagine how people survive without sewing - any useful thingy I need, I do it with fabric. I know other people whose skills are elsewhere - carpentry or metalwork, and they would make something for the same purpose in their own way - I make a bag, they make a box. But sewing takes less cleaning up after! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 14:28:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14309 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:28:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GID4E00572; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GID2N17761; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GICNN17372 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip152.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.152]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6GICJq03118 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Prices Message-ID: <3D3401BD.1878.D5A3343@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200207111550.g6BFo8417567@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <1C736583DFF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:33 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > The diamonds are about 2.5 inches high from point to point and > the trellis around them about 3 inches and it just looked so > sumptuos that I couldn't resist the chance to get a linen (oh so cool > and comfy to wear in hot weather despite Robin's teasing about not > needing it in England...) that doesn't look like a linen. She obviously wasn't there when I was there. It wasn't the day we went to Hampton Court with you, but a couple of the other days were in the upper 80s (I don't remember what that was in centigrade as I translated it into fahrenheit so that I could figure out why I was so miserable.) It was very muggy and hot, but it was a complete surprise to the residents as well as us "furiners" since it was only late April or early May. I hadn't really brought clothes for hot weather so I ended up wearing a skirt rather than my long pants. (It was a very short skirt and my research assistant kept complaining about how the guys were ogling me on the Underground. Not bad for someone in their 40's. Of course, that was before I gained 30#!) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 14:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14313 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GIDaE00638; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GIDZN18087; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GICVN17442 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip152.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.152]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6GICQq03137 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D3401BE.8952.D5A3450@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200207111550.g6BFo8417567@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <1C77A4A487B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:34 -0700 Status: RO > > 12th and 13th Century Velvet: > > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/5459/bliaut3.html > > includes the comment "Fragments of twill and cotton velvet have been > > found dating back to 9th century France". I wonder what they used it > > for back then? T-tunics? > > Perhaps I spoke too soon.... or perhaps it was only a furnishing > fabric then? I found that quote to mean something different than what the writer meant. She was referring to fustian but it seems like she was mixing up fustian (which has a nap raised, not by loops but by the same method that we sometimes use for flannel) with velvets. I wish she had footnoted it a bit, because I've looked through the books she mentions to find the information she put in, but I can't find it. Also, the looped Egyptian ones she mentions sound more like the looped fabric of cotton which we use for towels. (Turkish towels or terrycloth, for instance.) However, this is not really a "velvet" imitation although it may be a related technique. The problem may be with the word meaning in the time compared to the current word meaning. There were a lot of changes so you can't look up the definition in a modern textile dictionary and be sure that it meant the same thing then. I think that the fragments mentioned were more likely to be household goods than clothing in this case. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 14:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14318 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GIDUE00609; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GIDTN17999; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GICPN17397 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip152.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.152]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6GICLq03122 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions Message-ID: <3D3401BD.7200.D5A3397@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <3D337BFB.9050206@oldwaylane.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:33 -0700 Status: RO > Erithromycin-----there's a whole "family" of mycins and > myecins (which are not quite the same thing, I did not > misspell them). Erythromycin is the correct spelling but the mycin/myecin is correct. > Bactrim ----I don't know much about that one, but it sounds > like Bacitracin or Bactine, the common stuff for cuts, etc. It has nothing to do with either of those. It is trimethoprim- sulfamethoxazole (and sometimes goes under the name of Septra). > Sulfa -----baddie. My daughter had a reaction to this one, > big blisters on her face that took 2 weeks to heal. They > use it for urinary infections, and you have to drink a LOT > of water to avoid worse bladder problems. One of the kid's > antibiotics is half sulfa and half something else. That would be Septra or Bactrim (which are just brand names for the same thing.) > I find it interesting that a lot of people don't get along > with sulfa, yet it is, or was, the basic item in the > military first aid kits. That's because it was one of the only 2 antibiotics which were invented early on (with penicillin and streptomycin the other two.) It is more stable than penicillin or streptomycin and definitely less expensive than streptomycin. However, it doesn't touch strep or staph, which are common wound contaminants. It may get tetanus, however. (I don't remember what hits that since we don't see it much anymore except in immigrants and old people.) I think the military uses more Velocef now. I know they use it a lot in their VA clinics, although it is rare for doctors to prescribe in the "real world" because it's not particularly good. (It's probably cheaper.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 14:28:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14319 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GIDXE00623; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GIDWN18036; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GICSN17422 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip152.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.152]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6GICOq03127 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D3401BE.10111.D5A33F7@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200207111802.g6BI2K403290@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <1C7A2B55F92@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:34 -0700 Status: RO > Don't they have a (13th century I think) embroidered red velvet cope > on display that was cut up and made into another garment (tunicle or > dalamtic?) later, then was pieced back together into a cope? Are you thinking of the red cloak on display in the costume area at the V&A which used to be a skirt? It is heavily embroidered. But it's 16/17th C and in pretty good shape. It would not be unusual, however, for the ecclesiastic copes to be used to make other ecclesiastic garments (such as dalmatics or the like.) > To me it looked just like the worn red velvet of the seats you used to > get in old cinemas... well the bits not covered in embroidery did > anyway. That does sound more like a cope, but I don't remember a red cope at the V&A. (I'll have to look through my pictures as I got shots of everyone of the copes on display, the the dismay of my research assistant.) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 14:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14344 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GIM4E01606; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GIM1N22802; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GILON22481 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip152.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.152]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6GILKo17845 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:21:20 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, was: Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D3403DF.5817.D6285E0@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:30:39 -0700 Status: RO Jean wrote about England: > I'm sure other people around here know, but I don't have much idea how > long it is since you were in school. I'm 33. My mother taught > needlework, and in the schools she was in, all the girls (they were > single-sex schools) did at least one or two years. We also had > needlework at school, and I remember making a fluffy rabbit at > Brownies, but somehow it doesn't go on in this country. It's one of > those things they make you do at school but nobody ever does it at > home. It's just cultural, I'm not sure why. > > I agree, dressmaking nowadays is considered a minority hobby, rather > than an essential - patchwork and home decorating are on the up, so > those shops are more common. The US is heading in this direction. I think that's why we are losing so many of our good fabric stores. They are either going home deco, quilting (which I think is what you mean by patchwork) or high scale tailoring. That doesn't leave much for the recreational, historical or cheap home sewer. Part of it is that people used to make clothes at home to save money. Now it is cheaper to buy readymade than to make it at home. So, why bother to do it (except for people like us who live for sewing!) > I just can't imagine how people survive without sewing - any useful > thingy I need, I do it with fabric. I know other people whose skills > are elsewhere - carpentry or metalwork, and they would make something > for the same purpose in their own way - I make a bag, they make a box. > But sewing takes less cleaning up after! Exactly! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 16:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14850 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:29:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GKAKE12526; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKA5N23697; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:10:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GJn6N11659 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UYJc-0003zL-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:48:56 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.78 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:48:56 -0400 Status: RO > This is not always true. While sometimes this can be the first sign > that you may have an allergy, it may be some other cause. > Especially in children and teens, it may be an interaction between > the antibiotic and the virus (which has *nothing* to do with an > allergic reaction. Amoxicillin or ampicillin and mononucleosis is a > very good example, but some cold and stomach "flu" viruses can > do the same things, such as the echo viruses.) It could be a simple > viral rash as well (which many of the cold viruses and stomach "flu" > viruses can do extremely well even without an antibiotic any where > near.) It's one of the reasons I don't like prescribing antibiotics > when someone has had a cold for less than 10 days (no matter > how much the patient or parent begs). We'd get a *lot* less > "antibiotic allergies" that way! I had never had a reaction to any -cillin drug before 3 years ago and it was only prescribed as a precaution against infection after my oral surgery (yeah, I guess that kind of means it's a little over-prescribed if they give it to you when you're not sick, but just in case). Within a few days I got the fine rash and was told to stop taking it ASAP. I wasn't sick at the time, there was really no reason for me to be on penicillin in the first place and I was properly caring for my suture sites so there wasn't much of a risk that I'd develop an infection to begin with. Like I said before, I have an iron constitution and I don't tend to aquire viruses (viruii?) and other communal bugs the way most people do, so the -cillin allergy isn't a big deal for me. Personally, I'm just as happy not to have to take one more overprescribed antibiotic. Which is not to say that I don't agree with antibiotics, just that I question the fact that they are so readily available and so easy to come by. > But then, it's well known that most doctors prescribe *way* too > many antibiotics for the wrong reasons (faster than talking the > patient/parent out of it and major pressure from parents/patients.) Or for "just in case" reasons. At one point I had 3 full bottles of vicodin sitting in my cupboard because two seperate doctors (my oral surgeon and my physician) felt that it was better if they gave me enough painkillers to render a horse unconscious than risk a potentially unhappy patient. Doesn't matter that vicodin makes me sick and I'm just as happy and more conscious on Advil... I flushed all three bottles down the toilet, but it just made me shudder that if it was *this* easy to come by, no wonder there are people out there who are addicted to the stuff! And don't get me started on the time I walked into the hospital and mentioned casually to the NP that I was feeling a little "down" and was handed a prescription for Prozac and Zoloft!!! > At least since the early 70's we doctors have been told that giving > antibiotics can cause major shifts in the antibiotic resistance in > communities. In the early 80s we saw that as a major problem with > the hemophilus influenza bacteria (aka "H-flu", which HIB prevents) > and in the last 5 years with streptococcus pneumonia (the > "pneumococcus", which we also have a vaccine to combat.) We > don't even need to talk about multiresistant staphylococcus > ("staph" now getting MRSC although that is mostly a problem in > hospitals and with patients who have major things going on like > needing special catheters, trachs, surgically implanted feeding > tubes, etc.) Exactly my feelings. For me, it's no biggie to forego the antibiotics because I'm not prone to serious illness (a cold here and there, but nothing major). Others are different, and should act accordingly, but popping Cipro out of paranoia is just plain stupid. It's the fastest way to creating a new strain of something more resistant to treatment than pretty much anything else. That, and failing to complete medication doses... > > OK, I'll get down off my soapbox now. Oops... Looks like I was taking up my share of the 'ol box, myself. Next? ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 16:36:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14891 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:36:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GKL5E13454; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKL4N29898; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKCgN25303 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZC00BJ6YT54Z@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books from David Brown Book Company In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020716121650.00d2d100@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:17:54 -0700 Status: RO >Just got a note from Kristin Payne who used to be at Boydell and Brewer >publishers. She has now moved on to David Brown Book Company, and sent >along some information on textile books they carrying. > >In addition to Stepping Through Time: a history of shoes from Pre-history to >1800 they carry this one, something that a number of people on this list >have been interested in: I can't help but notice that their price is less than the publisher's price. So how can we get these books directly from them? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 16:36:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14895 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GKLBE13469; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKLAN29967; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKChN25320 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZC00BJ6YT54Z@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, was: Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <3D3403DF.5817.D6285E0@localhost> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020716125315.00c97f00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:12:34 -0700 Status: RO >The US is heading in this direction. I think that's why we are losing >so many of our good fabric stores. They are either going home >deco, quilting (which I think is what you mean by patchwork) or >high scale tailoring. That doesn't leave much for the recreational, >historical or cheap home sewer. Most sewing stores in the US have re-made half their fabric space into craft space. And most of the craft stuff they stock is junky stuff, or no-talent kits. The quality of the fabric has gone down too. If Jo-Ann's and Walmart ever routinely had good fabric, they don't now except by accident. Everywhere else is a factory outlet or mill outlet store, a remnants-only store, a high-end place like Britex, or a quilt fabric store. >Part of it is that people used to make clothes at home to save >money. Now it is cheaper to buy readymade than to make it at >home. So, why bother to do it (except for people like us who live for >sewing!) The cheap imported clothing from the Far East has largely made sewing skills redundant. My daughter who is into fashion can't be bothered to do her own mending, and bribes me to do it instead of letting her sewing-challenged father attempt it. My daughter who is into costumes, and dolls, is learning to sew, embroider, and crochet. > > I just can't imagine how people survive without sewing - any useful > > thingy I need, I do it with fabric. I know other people whose skills > > are elsewhere - carpentry or metalwork, and they would make something > > for the same purpose in their own way - I make a bag, they make a box. > > But sewing takes less cleaning up after! Quilt-making is much more popular than it was 20 years ago. Other sewing-related crafts are too. The American Girl Doll company sells a line of historical doll clothes patterns (www.americangirl.com). Major pattern companies are selling historically usable costume patterns, and there are many little historical costume pattern companies springing up, like Margo's. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 16:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14910 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GKY6E14895; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKY5N07792; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKIZN28489 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-66.gti.net [208.216.115.66]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id E919F359D2 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D347F84.7AAB7953@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute References: <20020715.185544.-284093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> <000c01c22cd4$dac49380$55c98693@creighton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:18:12 -0400 Status: RO >BTW, does anyone on the list know a rough conversion from Yen to US$? Yes, I do Cynthia. The Yen-dollar exchange rate: 1,500.00 JPY = 12.9420 USD, according to XE.com: Universal Currency Converter http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi I finally heard from Kyoto today (yay) but alas, they are out of the Rev in Fashion video which I wanted pretty badly :-(( Oh well. But I am still ordering the book & video for "Japonism in Fashion", both of which are in Japanese unfortunately, but what can ya do? I thought the site said that the videos are in VHS format.. Deb R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 17:15:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15078 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:15:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GL0EE17827; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GL0CN23522; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GKpwN18681 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-66.gti.net [208.216.115.66]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id C0EA4355BE for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D34876F.DFC3A899@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:51:59 -0400 Status: RO You guys are getting me worried now...Here's my issue: If I take Ampicillin for 2 or more days, I always experience awful stomach cramps & *ahem*- other gastro-intestinal problems.. This is a reaction right? Not an allergy? Also, until 2 years ago, I had never had problems using topical anti-biotic ointments (Bacitracin, Neosporin, Polysporin, etc.), but now, for some reason Polysporin causes my skin to turn bright red & painful but only the area it's been applied to... Could this mean I'm becoming allergic to spore-based antibiotics? Deb R. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 17:32:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15173 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GLH6E19478; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GLH4N03801; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GL8mN28914 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UZYi-0003tA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:08:36 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.78 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:08:36 -0400 Status: RO I don't think stomach cramping is an allergic reaction, per se. If you read the literature that comes with the bottle of meds, it usually lists nausea and stomach problems as a side effect of the medication. Lots of meds have this problem, so it's pretty common. If it's unbearable and doesn't let up if you take the meds with food and/or milk, you should probably consult with your doctor. If you're having trouble keeping food down while you're taking the stuff or having (pardon me) bloody stools or something that extreme, definately take yourself to the emergency room. As for the ointments, I don't know much about that... I would say that if you're breaking out in a rash when you apply something to your skin, you're probably allergic to some compound in the ointment, but it may not be the antibacterial portion. Could be an alergy to aloe, or petroleum or whatever they're using as a base for the antibacterial compounds. Hope this calms your fears a little... :) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com > You guys are getting me worried now...Here's my issue: > If I take Ampicillin for 2 or more days, I always experience awful > stomach cramps & *ahem*- other gastro-intestinal problems.. > This is a reaction right? Not an allergy? > Also, until 2 years ago, I had never had problems using topical > anti-biotic ointments (Bacitracin, Neosporin, Polysporin, etc.), > but now, for some reason Polysporin causes my skin to turn bright red > & painful but only the area it's been applied to... > Could this mean I'm becoming allergic to spore-based antibiotics? > Deb R. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagab _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 17:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15295 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:49:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GLY8E21231; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GLY6N13333; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GLCEN01014 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020716211209.BNGA331.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:12:09 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c22d0d$70b5c2a0$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C22CD2.C4330EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:12:06 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C22CD2.C4330EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, this may be a really dumb question, but -- What sort of petticoat do you wear under a late 1870's tie-back skirt? = I've looked at some of the sources on my bookshelf, and they talk about = a petticoat, cut along the same lines as the skirt, with ruffles down = the back & around the hem, and possibly a small bustle pad at the back. = Doesn't this make a lot of bulk to tie the skirt over? 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- Kendra
 
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C22CD2.C4330EF0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 18:07:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15433 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GLq5E23007; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GLq2N23303; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GLg0N17764 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (morr0626.gti.net [208.216.122.26]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id D17363583C for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D349329.CBAFFD24@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:42:01 -0400 Status: RO Thanks Sarah. Naturally I try to avoid drugs that cause undesirable side-effects. If I need anti-biotics, I usually will take Erythromycin instead of any of the "illins".. I know a lot of people experience diarrhea, cramps, etc from Ampicillin, so I don't think that's all that atypical, but this topic just has me worried now. Deb > If you read the literature that comes with the bottle of meds, > it usually lists nausea and stomach problems as a side effect > of the medication. Lots of meds have this problem, so it's pretty > common. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 18:21:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15485 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:21:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GM56E24326; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GM55N00782; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:05:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GLqbN23682 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:44:38 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A3C5D8740100; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:44:37 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:44:37 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts Message-ID: <000201c22d12$defb7d40$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C22CE8.F6257540" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002c01c22d0d$70b5c2a0$befc8218@WERNTO> X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: h-costume@indra.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:50:58 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C22CE8.F6257540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kendra- Bulk is what you want, in this case. You can add ties to the petticoat, too. What you want to do is keep all the fullness at the back, none at the sides or front. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kendra Van Cleave Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:12 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts Okay, this may be a really dumb question, but -- What sort of petticoat do you wear under a late 1870's tie-back skirt? I've looked at some of the sources on my bookshelf, and they talk about a petticoat, cut along the same lines as the skirt, with ruffles down the back & around the hem, and possibly a small bustle pad at the back. Doesn't this make a lot of bulk to tie the skirt over? And -- should the petticoat also have ties? Wouldn't that make even more bulk to tie the skirt over? 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Bulk is what you want, in this = case. You can add ties to the petticoat, too. What you want to do is keep all the fullness at the back, none at the sides or = front.

 

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From: = h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kendra Van Cleave
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Okay, this may be a really = dumb question, but --

 

What sort of petticoat do = you wear under a late 1870's tie-back skirt?  I've looked at some of the = sources on my bookshelf, and they talk about a petticoat, cut along the same lines = as the skirt, with ruffles down the back & around the hem, and possibly a = small bustle pad at the back.  Doesn't this make a lot of bulk to tie the = skirt over?  And -- should the petticoat also have ties?  Wouldn't = that make even more bulk to tie the skirt over?

 

I know somehow I'm over = thinking this!

 

- = Kendra

 

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C22CE8.F6257540-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 18:33:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15524 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:33:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GMI3E25376; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GMI2N07742; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GMBON04165 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.127.220]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZD00CKJ4AWIZ@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts In-reply-to: <002c01c22d0d$70b5c2a0$befc8218@WERNTO> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020716150537.00c97aa0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:11:14 -0700 Status: RO >What sort of petticoat do you wear under a late 1870's tie-back >skirt? I've looked at some of the sources on my bookshelf, and they talk >about a petticoat, cut along the same lines as the skirt, with ruffles >down the back & around the hem, and possibly a small bustle pad at the >back. Doesn't this make a lot of bulk to tie the skirt over? And -- >should the petticoat also have ties? Wouldn't that make even more bulk to >tie the skirt over? Same general shape, but of much thinner fabric. The small amount of bulk the petticoat provides will keep the skirt looking nicely rounded. Use ties if it needs them to make the right foundation shape. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 18:33:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15526 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:33:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GMIME25401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:18:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GMILN07909; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f215.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.215]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GMBON04176 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:11:19 -0700 Received: from 63.162.162.157 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:11:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.162.162.157] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 22:11:19.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[B636E810:01C22D15] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:11:19 +0000 Status: RO Actually, prescribing antibiotics before oral surgery isn't as silly as prescribing them for a cold. See, Dental problems can and have caused HEART infections. The plaque in your mouth is the same stuff that clogs your arteries. It's caused by bacteria. Surgery gives the bacteria an opportunity to enter your blood stream. I'm happy to hear they're doing that more often. Besides, you don't have to fill a prescription. Or take it after it's filled. I've flushed quite a few down the toilet in my time, and I have no problem saying "I won't take this pill". I am NOT a "good patient". :) Mary/Katerine (who is having problems controlling her desire to buy more fabric now that she has a steady income again - but keep the websites coming!) >I had never had a reaction to any -cillin drug before 3 years ago and >it was only prescribed as a precaution against infection after my oral >surgery (yeah, I guess that kind of means it's a little over-prescribed >if they give it to you when you're not sick, but just in case). Within >a few days I got the fine rash and was told to stop taking it ASAP. I >wasn't sick at the time, there was really no reason for me to be on >penicillin in the first place and I was properly caring for my suture >sites so there wasn't much of a risk that I'd develop an infection to >begin with. Like I said before, I have an iron constitution and I >don't tend to aquire viruses (viruii?) and other communal bugs the way >most people do, so the -cillin allergy isn't a big deal for me. >Personally, I'm just as happy not to have to take one more >overprescribed antibiotic. Which is not to say that I don't agree with >antibiotics, just that I question the fact that they are so readily >available and so easy to come by. > > > But then, it's well known that most doctors prescribe *way* too > > many antibiotics for the wrong reasons (faster than talking the > > patient/parent out of it and major pressure from parents/patients.) > >Or for "just in case" reasons. At one point I had 3 full bottles of >vicodin sitting in my cupboard because two seperate doctors (my oral >surgeon and my physician) felt that it was better if they gave me >enough painkillers to render a horse unconscious than risk a >potentially unhappy patient. Doesn't matter that vicodin makes me sick >and I'm just as happy and more conscious on Advil... I flushed all >three bottles down the toilet, but it just made me shudder that if it >was *this* easy to come by, no wonder there are people out there who >are addicted to the stuff! And don't get me started on the time I >walked into the hospital and mentioned casually to the NP that I was >feeling a little "down" and was handed a prescription for Prozac and >Zoloft!!! > > > At least since the early 70's we doctors have been told that giving > > antibiotics can cause major shifts in the antibiotic resistance in > > communities. In the early 80s we saw that as a major problem with > > the hemophilus influenza bacteria (aka "H-flu", which HIB prevents) > > and in the last 5 years with streptococcus pneumonia (the > > "pneumococcus", which we also have a vaccine to combat.) We > > don't even need to talk about multiresistant staphylococcus > > ("staph" now getting MRSC although that is mostly a problem in > > hospitals and with patients who have major things going on like > > needing special catheters, trachs, surgically implanted feeding > > tubes, etc.) > >Exactly my feelings. For me, it's no biggie to forego the antibiotics >because I'm not prone to serious illness (a cold here and there, but >nothing major). Others are different, and should act accordingly, but >popping Cipro out of paranoia is just plain stupid. It's the fastest >way to creating a new strain of something more resistant to treatment >than pretty much anything else. That, and failing to complete >medication doses... > > > > > OK, I'll get down off my soapbox now. > >Oops... Looks like I was taking up my share of the 'ol box, myself. >Next? ;) > >Sarah >http://www.elizabethanlady.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 19:00:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15604 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:00:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GMiVE27647; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:44:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GMiUN21671; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:44:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f99.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GMbaN18189 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:37:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:37:30 -0700 Received: from 63.162.162.157 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:37:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.162.162.157] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books from David Brown Book Company Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 22:37:30.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EE82660:01C22D19] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:37:30 +0000 Status: RO The price for the Margarethe Hald book isn't listed as being discounted on the website, and it's the one I want. :( Mary/Katerine >>Just got a note from Kristin Payne who used to be at Boydell and Brewer >>publishers. She has now moved on to David Brown Book Company, and sent >>along some information on textile books they carrying. >> >>In addition to Stepping Through Time: a history of shoes from Pre-history >>to >>1800 they carry this one, something that a number of people on this list >>have been interested in: > >I can't help but notice that their price is less than the publisher's >price. So how can we get these books directly from them? > >Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( >/----\ /---\)) > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 19:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16150 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:52:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GNa5E01828; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GNa3N16047; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g6GNKjE08977 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Allergies vs Reactions Message-ID: <20020716172045.A7892@net.indra.com> References: <3D34876F.DFC3A899@gti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D34876F.DFC3A899@gti.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:45 -0600 Status: RO Guys, this is WAY off topic now. Please wrap it up or take it offline. Thanks. ...eliz, list admin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 19:55:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16160 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6GNeME02142; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:40:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6GNeLN17759; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:40:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from eliz@localhost) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g6GNV2N13896 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:31:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Elizabeth Lear To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute Message-ID: <20020716173102.B7892@net.indra.com> References: <20020715.185544.-284093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> <000c01c22cd4$dac49380$55c98693@creighton.edu> <3D347F84.7AAB7953@gti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D347F84.7AAB7953@gti.net> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:31:02 -0600 Status: RO > I thought the site said that the videos are in VHS format.. > Deb R. VHS vs Beta isn't the problem (that's cartridge size), it's NTSC vs PAL vs SECAM (the recording format used). The US uses NTSC format in its videos. The UK and many European and Asian countries use PAL. France uses SECAM. You can't play one format in a VCR of the other unless it's designed for it (tho some PAL VCRs can [barely] handle NTSC recorded in SP mode). The good news is that Japan uses NTSC, which means they should be playable in a US VCR. I'd confirm that it's NTSC before purchase, tho, just to be safe. ...eliz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 20:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16380 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:26:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H0B3E04240; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H0B2N29781; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:11:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H00lN25808 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip73.access-one.com [198.247.160.73]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6H00js20986 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:00:45 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c22d25$01c32000$49a0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C22CFB.15BFCCE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:00:43 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C22CFB.15BFCCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable some of the petticoats from that era had casings in the back panel to = shirr them up against the legs. I like a tier of ruffles down the back = and a small bustle pad placed at the low hip instead of the waistline = for most dresses in that era. I would also suggest the front panel of = the petticoat be smooth with the ruffles confined to the side and back = panels only - but it depends on when in the late 70's you are talking-75 = up to 1877 they were a bit fuller with 78-79 being pretty slim, and = starting to get fuller again in 1880. The ties aren't supposed to "bind" = your legs together mearly pull the front of the dress flat and you don't = want it showing through that you are bipedal! *mercy!* (wink) MJ Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era=20 Online Classes in History and Period Sewing -----Original Message----- From: Kendra Van Cleave To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts Okay, this may be a really dumb question, but -- =20 What sort of petticoat do you wear under a late 1870's tie-back skirt? = I've looked at some of the sources on my bookshelf, and they talk about = a petticoat, cut along the same lines as the skirt, with ruffles down = the back & around the hem, and possibly a small bustle pad at the back. = Doesn't this make a lot of bulk to tie the skirt over? And -- should = the petticoat also have ties? Wouldn't that make even more bulk to tie = the skirt over? =20 I know somehow I'm over thinking this! =20 - Kendra =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C22CFB.15BFCCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
some of the petticoats from that era = had=20 casings in the back panel to shirr them up against the legs. I like a = tier of=20 ruffles down the back and a small bustle pad placed at the low hip = instead of=20 the waistline for most dresses in that era. I would also suggest the = front panel=20 of the petticoat be smooth with the ruffles confined to the side and = back panels=20 only - but it depends on when in the late 70's you are talking-75 up to = 1877=20 they were a bit fuller with 78-79 being pretty slim, and starting to get = fuller=20 again in 1880. The ties aren't supposed to "bind" your legs together = mearly pull=20 the front of the dress flat and you don't want it showing through that = you are=20 bipedal! *mercy!* (wink)
MJ
 
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Okay, this may be a really dumb = question, but=20 --
 
What sort of petticoat do you wear = under a late=20 1870's tie-back skirt?  I've looked at some of the sources on my=20 bookshelf, and they talk about a petticoat, cut along the same lines = as the=20 skirt, with ruffles down the back & around the hem, and possibly a = small=20 bustle pad at the back.  Doesn't this make a lot of bulk to tie = the skirt=20 over?  And -- should the petticoat also have ties?  Wouldn't = that=20 make even more bulk to tie the skirt over?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C22CFB.15BFCCE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 21:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16583 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H1G7E07387; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H1G3N19822; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H0rZN13293 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m239.in-tch.com [216.166.191.239]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6H0dkr07089 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D34C166.156696E8@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of 1700 costumes from the event this References: <1C7C4A34095@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:59:18 -0600 Status: RO Must be local-water thing, or something. The tansy-dyed wools done by my friends were very lovely shades of an almost olive-green. The silks were similar, but lighter. --sue Teddy wrote: > > > Sue Clemenger wrote > > >Is that *with* an iron afterbath, or *without?* > > >--sue, completely enamored of tansy-dyed wool..... > > > > I think the best glow comes from the plutonium afterbath :-) (sorry, > > I'm not the dyer, I have absolutely no idea!) > > Having seen the sickly colours produced on wool from tansy dying > this weekend, I have to say I don't care what was used.... The > colours reminded me of bile with a fluorescent tinge..... > > As I described that range of colours a few years ago - "the sort of > green that narrowly misses being a particularly noxious shade of > yellow and would probably have been better if it hadn't" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 21:31:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16587 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:31:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H1H3E07440; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H1H2N20098; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21305.mail.yahoo.com (web21305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6H1AfN18387 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717011040.19504.qmail@web21305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:10:40 PDT From: kj green To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a901c22c52$86ab2a20$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] OT-looking for a book--Help! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Greetings to the list. I'm looking for a book(s) published in 1989 by Marshall Cavendish Ltd called "Die Renaissance." It's at least a 2 volume set (a friend has volume 2). There's no ISBN and no editor listed. It's in German, but I suspect it was published in London. I happened across another book published by Marshall Cavendish Ltd and the city listed was London. Can anyone give me any ideas as to where to look for this book? I've tried abebooks and a couple of other book sites, to no avail. It's a great book, just full of color plates of paintings and portraits. I'd really like to have a copy--my friend lives 22 hours away, so looking up stuff is a tad difficult... Kate __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 22:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16889 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H2djE12216; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H2D8N06577; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H1xEN01808 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:59:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alderweb.vaxxine.com (ppp27.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.215.27]) by alpha.vaxxine.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26921 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.0.20020716214001.00b74ef0@pop.vaxxine.com> X-Sender: alderweb@pop.vaxxine.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 To: h-costume@indra.com From: David Webb In-Reply-To: <3D2CF048.5AEDE7AD@dandy.net> References: <3D29956D.3D4F04A7@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] McFarland House costume display Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:17:35 -0400 Status: RO Greetings all: Members of h-costume from southern Ontario and northern New York State (or anyone who doesn't mind a drive) may be interested in a special exhibit, "Lady of the House, A Women's World As Seen In Dress 1810 - 1845." at McFarland House 15927 Niagara Parkway, Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON 905-371-0254 1-877-642-7275. Open 10:00 to 4:00 A few of the gowns can be seen at: http://www.niagaraparks.com/index.html/DYNS/lady_of_the_house/PS/340/sid/ErAqw00ViRn1IISi There are about 6 gowns from personal collection of Diane Gallinger of Jordan Heritage Resources, c. 1810 and 1845. Diane Gallinger purchased the c. 1810 gown at a farm auction for $20 Canadian (- I'd hate her if she wasn't so nice - we met her at the site - and saved it from being cut up or trashed.) No one else had any idea what it was. It's muslin with a train - embroidery a la Mathilde down the centre front and hem. It was made for a tiny women. Most of the other gowns are for people about 5 foot, (I'm f5' 9" - I notice these things) but this is much smaller. The embroidery is exquisite! it reminds me of the gowns in "Age of Napoleon". ( I should get the book out from the local University and compare it again in the flesh, or in the fabric!) Granted, it could have made its way to Canada any time in the last 190 years, but it was intriguing to see such a dainty, labour-intensive garment with a Canadian provenance. How come when I go to farm auctions, there's nothing but rusty old tools and china from K-Mart ? Life is cruel. Sheridan Alder _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 23:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17117 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H354E13684; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H352N21421; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:05:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H2rFN18147 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g6H2rCV331786 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:53:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-Reply-To: <00bc01c228ed$80905ce0$3fa0f7c6@marnadav> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:53:12 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO > wear badly- eventually they started calling it velveteen about the mid > 1880's but what I have read it was a bit "plusher" than most of the > velveteen is now- more like the cotton/rayon velveteen. Quick (and belated, but I'm a bit behind and wanted to make sure nobody else had addressed the issue first) clarification: Velveteen is *NOT* another name for velvet made out of cotton. Velvet and velveteen are two different fabrics with different weave structures. Boy, this is hard to explain...especially slightly sleep-deprived. brief weaving lesson: Warp threads are the long threads that go the length of the fabric and are stretched on the loom. Weft (or woof or filling) threads are the ones that go back and forth from selvedge to selvedge. Velvet is a warp-pile fabric. There are extra warp threads that are looped up between the rows of weft thread and cut. Terrycloth is also made this way, but the loops are left uncut. Velveteen is a weft-pile fabric. There are extra weft threads that are left as floats (skipping over several warp threads) and cut. Corduroy is another weft-pile fabric. Velvet be long pile or short pile, made out of cotton or silk or polyester or wool and is always called velvet. Velveteen can be long pile (though that's harder...) or short pile, and made of any fiber, though cotton is most common. It is possible to tell, by close inspection, which is which, assuming you know where the selvedge is. There is probably a difference in drape, though it is slight. For all practical purposes, you can continue calling short-napped cotton velvet (if you could find such a thing) velveteen, and nobody would care, except me. ;) Emma, textile major wannabe. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Jul 16 23:45:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17273 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:45:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H3V3E14942; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H3V2N28872; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:31:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H3KtN26154 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip206.126-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.126.206]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6H3Koo15041 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, was: Re: different velvets Message-ID: <3D34823C.10859.F503694@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3D3403DF.5817.D6285E0@localhost> In-reply-to: <4.3.1.2.20020716125315.00c97f00@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:29:48 -0700 Status: RO > Most sewing stores in the US have re-made half their fabric space into > craft space. And most of the craft stuff they stock is junky stuff, > or no-talent kits. The quality of the fabric has gone down too. If > Jo-Ann's and Walmart ever routinely had good fabric, they don't now > except by accident. Or a very astute and well educated (textile wise) manager. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 00:46:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18122 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:46:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H4W4E17684; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H4W1N16385; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H4RHN15059 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6H4DTr12084 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D34F37D.A345581B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:33:01 -0600 Status: RO Hey, that's interesting. Thanks for explaining it so clearly. --sue Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > brief weaving lesson: Warp threads are the long threads that go the length > of the fabric and are stretched on the loom. Weft (or woof or filling) > threads are the ones that go back and forth from selvedge to selvedge. > > Velvet is a warp-pile fabric. There are extra warp threads that are > looped up between the rows of weft thread and cut. Terrycloth is also > made this way, but the loops are left uncut. > > Velveteen is a weft-pile fabric. There are extra weft threads that are > left as floats (skipping over several warp threads) and cut. Corduroy is > another weft-pile fabric. > > Velvet be long pile or short pile, made out of cotton or silk or polyester > or wool and is always called velvet. > > Velveteen can be long pile (though that's harder...) or short pile, and > made of any fiber, though cotton is most common. > > It is possible to tell, by close inspection, which is which, assuming you > know where the selvedge is. There is probably a difference in drape, > though it is slight. > > For all practical purposes, you can continue calling short-napped cotton > velvet (if you could find such a thing) velveteen, and nobody would care, > except me. ;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 02:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21103 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:04:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H5o3E20785; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H5o1N07517; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H5eUN05160 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:40:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.f2.1e9a4980 (3842) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:40:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f2.1e9a4980.2a665d44_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Help on Stain Removal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:40:20 EDT Status: RO --part1_f2.1e9a4980.2a665d44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please help! I just finished a new dress and have discovered a stain of unknown origin on the front of the bodice. It looks like some sort of oil, but I'm not sure. The bodice fabric is 100% linen. Recommendations and advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Nancy aka Maddalena Salutati --part1_f2.1e9a4980.2a665d44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please help!  I just finished a new dress and have discovered a stain of unknown origin on the front of the bodice.  It looks like some sort of oil, but I'm not sure.  The bodice fabric is 100% linen.  Recommendations and advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Nancy
aka Maddalena Salutati

 --part1_f2.1e9a4980.2a665d44_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 05:22:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA00439 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H984E27018; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H983N20683; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6H8qkN17314 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:52:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717085245.12198.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:52:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help on Stain Removal To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:52:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > Please help! I just finished a new dress and have discovered a stain of > unknown origin on the front of the bodice. It looks like some sort of oil, > but I'm not sure. The bodice fabric is 100% linen. Recommendations and > advice would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Nancy > aka Maddalena Salutati Nancy, try Oxi Clean. It works wonders, the only fabric one can't use it on is silk, but linen is n problem, in fact I just managed to get rid of nasty brown stains (caused by a white (!!!) sun blocker) in my linen underdress by just using it as a laundry booster in the machine. It can be dabbed onto the stain and should do the trick. I am sure you can get it in the US too? here it is sold in Asda's and at Lakeland. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 05:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01151 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:48:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6H9Y5E27623; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H9Y4N24685; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6H9Q0N22777 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06538.; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:26:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:25:54 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-looking for a book--Help! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g6H9Q0N22777 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:25:23 +0100 Status: RO I've searched the database available to us, but no luck. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> macailith@yahoo.com 07/17/02 02:10am >>> Greetings to the list. I'm looking for a book(s) published in 1989 by Marshall Cavendish Ltd called "Die Renaissance." It's at least a 2 volume set (a friend has volume 2). There's no ISBN and no editor listed. It's in German, but I suspect it was published in London. I happened across another book published by Marshall Cavendish Ltd and the city listed was London. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:18:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03270 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:18:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HB45E29921; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HB43N13672; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HAxMN12687 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK78G6FTWG000NRL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:59:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK78G5FP86000L47@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:59:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:55:25 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:55:21 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:55:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] different velvets In-reply-to: <200207141415.g6EEFE407760@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DB8C9E3ECF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > If it's got to be historically accurate or the pattern demands > something a bit stiff, go for the Acetate-Nylon. I'd say," If it's got to be historically accurate or the pattern demands something a bit stiff, and/or If it's a Renaissance fair that's usually muddy, don't go for either. Go instead for the washable and more breathable curtain-weight cotton velvet, but make sure you pre- wash it on hot before you cut and make anything from it so that it's pre-shrunk. > Some stores sell "velvet needleboards" for ironing on, but the > hook side of Velcro works well too. Place the Velcro strip > hook-side-up atop your ironing board, then lay the seam you wanna > press on top (pile-side-down) and iron gently. Thanks for the tip Gillian! As I use cotton velvet mostly (second- hand curtains are great and cheap too!) I don't really have any problems with ironing on the back of it, but that's a great tip to remember if I happen to be doing something non-historical or for someone who inists on acetate-belend velvet. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03540 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:31:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HBH4E00362; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:17:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBH3N16354; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HB3ON13513 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK78L5APUO000PQ1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:03:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK78L2HGY2000H7I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:03:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:59:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:59:11 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:59:09 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <200207141803.g6EI39426939@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DB9CF025AE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1052 - 6 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:59:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Ok, am I allergic to every period fabric but silk?! Grr... I could > make such wonderfully authentic garb if I didn't get rashes from wool, > linen, mohair/angora, and many of the wild animals they used for fur > trim. Just call me synthetic. > > --Gillian Cotton wasn't on your list, so you could make a substitute for cotton velvet and not be wearing low-breathability synthetics.... as for the fur allergy issue - realistic looking synthetic will probably be your only option there Teddy (who did a trade last year, with someone whose husband has a severe fur allergy - a heap of cotton velvet for a heap of fur she couldn't use because he attends all the events she does.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03839 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HBU4E00772; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBU3N19228; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBO6N17842 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK79ASBJQO000SBS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:23:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK79ANRW9O000QJN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:23:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:20:01 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:45 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:41 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <200207150431.g6F4VD424737@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DBF4B77B92@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:41 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Am I correct in my impression that this is not the state in Britain? > If sewing is considered a specialty skill or hobby, fabric stores > would be considered specialty stores. I don't know about the current National Curriculum, but "Needlework" used to be one of the subjects. I was the only boy who took it right through to the exams, but two others applied to take it for the initial year, though one waas moved out to do Cookery when the class was oversubscribed (and I was annoyed on his bahalf beciase many of the girls only chose needlework because it seemed liek an "easy-option" to fill their timetabels and he had chosen it because he wqs interested, and there wasn't ever a question of one of the *girls* being told to swap to cookery . I heard he went on to become a highly-paid chef, so perhaps it worked out for the best, but even so) Not that I learned anything in those classes (other than making continuous placket openings) that I hadn't already figured out for myself or have actually had a need to use since - and I only just scraped through the final exam with a passing grade despite having kept my sisters and cousins in clothes, party dresses and "posh frocks" for the three years I was doing the classes. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03868 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HBUAE00782; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBU9N19267; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (relay01.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBOaN17966 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:24:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 22716 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2002 11:24:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vaio) ([170.215.194.154]) (envelope-sender ) by relay01.roc.frontiernet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Jul 2002 11:24:35 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c22d84$5bb4be20$01fea8c0@vaio> From: "Rowena" To: References: <3D3403DF.5817.D6285E0@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:23:21 -0400 Status: RO > Jean wrote about England: I remember making a fluffy rabbit at > > Brownies, but somehow it doesn't go on in this country. It's one of > > those things they make you do at school but nobody ever does it at > > home. It's just cultural, I'm not sure why. > > > > I agree, dressmaking nowadays is considered a minority hobby, rather > > than an essential - patchwork and home decorating are on the up, so > > those shops are more common. > > The US is heading in this direction. I think that's why we are losing > so many of our good fabric stores. They are either going home > deco, quilting (which I think is what you mean by patchwork) or > high scale tailoring. That doesn't leave much for the recreational, > historical or cheap home sewer. (snipped) > > I just can't imagine how people survive without sewing - any useful > > thingy I need, I do it with fabric. As I teach Home Ec (now FaCs - Family & Consumer Skills) in Central New York, I know that all students in 6, 7, or 8th grades (about ages 11-13) must get in about 30 weeks of Home Ec, mandated by the state. Few ever see another course in it, especially since so many High School Courses are now mandated for them. Most of the courses now focus on how to havea a balanced diet, how to deal with family & friends, childcare skills, how to read advertisements & consumer awareness, how to manage finances, etc. Sewing skills are limited to making something very small. I am the only teacher I have yet met in New York State who drags her kids through sewing a sweatshirt, or any garment at all! But then, I am one of very, very few TEACHERS who loves to sew. And apparently one of the few who can do basic maintenance on the machines, so that I still have 14 working old Singers - the simple kind built for schools back in the 70s, that are all metal, and are fairly hard for the kids to destroy. I have a good working relation with a fairly local Bernina shop that repairs them - he believes that he will get more customers if they learn to sew somewhere, so he helps me out fairly cheaply. He tells me a lot about what goes on in classrooms in a fairly large area, even if I don't get it by being our local representative for the Mohawk Valley and going to a lot of meetings! Most classrooms I have seen might have 3 sewing machines, which means that you have about 10 kids per machine. I have them learn to embroider their initials in the tags of t-shirts before we tie-dye them. I justify that under the How to do Laundry unit, specifically titled as the How to Avoid Pink Underwear lesson. Then we learn to use a machine, then we sew drawstring bags. THAT's always fun - watching the boys, especially, pull on the double strings to close the bag, then open it, then close it..... They get amazed at the mechanics of this thing they made. Then we do a pincushion in the shape of a star, which is graded onlooking like a star or like a blob It is useful for throwing games, mostly, but lets me get in how to sew things CLOSED by hand. Then we either make a hat (school colors, of course!), or I drag them through a sweatshirt. Even I skipped the sweatshirts last year when they put in 9 kids who had come out of their own enclosed classroom with a special ed teacher and an aid, but the school put them in my class (without telling me they were coming!) and told me to deal with it, they should learn my stuff. I agree with it, but they put them in on top of my regular class size, so I had 9 more kids than I had seats, or books, or anything for. And those 9 kids were not used to being in with other students, or being in a regular class at all. So I found myself skipping a lot of stuff that I PUSH my kids to achieve. Sewing projects take a lot of time when you are dealing with anywhere from 12 to 26 kids (we have small classes, it is a very small school), and it is a real art to get kids to accomplish things, when they all want your individual attention about every step of the way. Not to mention that you have to let them handle lots of very dangerous small objects. Seam rippers can disappear even faster than pins, needles, and scissors! By the way, the seam ripper is the only object in my classroom to have a name - Mr. Seam Ripper becomes everyone's best friend (although some have the classic love-hate relationship with him). But it does take time, and A LOT OF EFFORT & Patience. I don't think it will be making a comeback anytime soon. So it is up to everyone who DOES sew to put their art out where people see it, and want to learn to do that. Rowena --==% `%%%, | ' ) `%%, \_/\ @%%, __@@" %%%--"""-.%, /`__| \%% \\ \ / | / '%, \] /----'. < `%, | | `>> > | | ///` / ( //( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:53:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04041 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:53:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HBdBE01056; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBd2N21312; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBSWN18855 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK79G2FG40000PZD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:28:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK79FOHD06000ODM@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:27:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:24:03 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:23:24 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:23:22 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets In-reply-to: <200207150431.g6F4VD424737@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DC043F6E13@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:23:22 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > So now I have a print with a really nice irregular grey pattern behind > the white areas. My question: How do I keep it this way? Should I > expect that the dye will continue to run on further washings, or will > it stay put? Should I just dry-clean the finished garment? I don't > want to run it through the wash with a dye magnet, because I want to > keep the streaking that's already there. If you were over here I'd suggest you run it through the washer with a packet of the dye-stabiliser that dylon sell... that would fix the dye that has run and that hasn't run already and keep it as close tohow it is aleady as you're likely to get it. Do the brands of dye over there have similar products? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04135 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:58:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HBhIE01205; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:43:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBhHN22274; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:43:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HBUnN19405 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:30:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717113048.67300.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:30:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1052 - 6 msgs To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <1DB9CF025AE@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:30:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > Ok, am I allergic to every period fabric but silk?! Grr... I could > > make such wonderfully authentic garb if I didn't get rashes from wool, > > linen, mohair/angora, and many of the wild animals they used for fur > > trim. Just call me synthetic. > > > > --Gillian > > Cotton wasn't on your list, so you could make a substitute for > cotton velvet and not be wearing low-breathability synthetics.... as > for the fur allergy issue - realistic looking synthetic will probably be > your only option there You could make under garments from cotton and line wool garments with cotton so that it doesn't touch your skin. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 07:58:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04139 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HBhME01216; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:43:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBhLN22304; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:43:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HBX0N19859 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717113300.68218.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:33:00 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] different velvets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <1DB8C9E3ECF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:33:00 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Thanks for the tip Gillian! As I use cotton velvet mostly (second- > hand curtains are great and cheap too!) I don't really have any > problems with ironing on the back of it, I don't either, but what I use when I iron the seams of a thicker cotton velvet is using a brush, I have some biggies, which are shoe brushes (it's important they are natural bristles or they melt!) and had never been used, from the 60s. Works a treat too. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 08:14:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04178 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:14:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HC09E01772; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HC03N26313; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HBg7N22049 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:42:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK79X8B8Z4000QID@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:41:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK79X3VZ1U000QJN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:41:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:06 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:37:17 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:37:07 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re:[h-cost] Fabric shops in the UK In-reply-to: <200207151105.g6FB5s419398@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DC3F7E271E@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:37:07 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > It's getting more and more difficult to find decent stuff in general > shopping areas. > > I'm extremely lucky, as about a mile from where I live there is a > fabulous fabric shop "The Shuttle". If any of you are ever in the > Bradford, West Yorkshire, You also have Whaleys (Bradford) Ltd.... I buy all my calico from them, plus canvas and other fabrics (their LRK88 cotton is lovely stuff for anything that needs a very thin and floaty cotton). Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 08:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04197 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HC4YE01944; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HC4XN27416; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HBjWN22854 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717114532.5763.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:45:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002901c22d84$5bb4be20$01fea8c0@vaio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:45:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rowena wrote: > > As I teach Home Ec (now FaCs - Family & Consumer Skills) in Central New > York, I know that all students in 6, 7, or 8th grades (about ages 11-13) > must get in about 30 weeks of Home Ec, mandated by the state. If I may say so, I am amazed that something like this is taught in the US, as I haven't come across anything like that in my German NorthRhine Westphalian 13 years school career (graduated in 88 to go to Uni), because Home Ed was regarded as being backwards and interfering or something like that. I guess that was because Northrhine Westphalia was a very liberal left government and it was/is totally uncool to teach something like that. *laughs* I find it very fascinating to hear that these things are taught and that indeed sewing is occasionally taught beyond primary school age. I remember we did a bit of cord making and easy embroidery and things like that in primary school (born in 69) for boys and girls, and fotball for boys and girls too. :-) That was it though, and when I went to grammar school at the age of ten, I was a 'paradise bird' when I got to puberty, because I could sew (taught by my mum) and myself all these extraordinary clothes that had this slightly different knack to anything one could buy. Admttedly I started sewing for me instead of my Barbie because my mum refused to by the designer labels for me that were so in, and I thought HA! I know just the way to be ahead of the game and 'different' and thus on a par with the kids whose parents did agree to spend all that money on a blooming label by making something myself (hand printed tops, painted and/or dyed trousers, appliqued coats and skirts, extraordinary fabrics, laced tight trousers, hand knit wildly patterend jumpers etc etc) and it worked. Got for the first time the friendly label of the extravagant nutter, and floated happily along with the 'rich kids' who envied ME. What a funny world!!! I still wear big baggy shirts mostly to work from the re-enactor's market or self made to work, mostly because I hate the clothes one can buy in England (sorry, fellow UK'ers but the fashion in this country is appalling, ugly, synthetic, stretchy skin tight stuff in horrid colours for skinny 14 year olds *shudder* ;-) When I actually bought a frilly black shirt in Etam the other week because it was cotton and marked down to 8 pounds my colleagues squealed 'Oh my god, she is wearing a shirt with BUTTONS!' *grins* you should hearthem screeching when I wore a bogstandard t-shirt underneath an open baggy laced shirt... Nicole - with a cold at home and not wanting to sew because of feeling rotten. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 08:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04367 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:58:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HCi3E03398; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:44:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HCi1N07649; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21302.mail.yahoo.com (web21302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.210]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HCcJN06139 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717123818.51014.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:38:18 PDT From: kj green Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-looking for a book--Help! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Thanks for looking. I do appreciate your time and trouble. I really think that I'm never going to find it... kate --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > I've searched the database available to us, but no > luck. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > >>> macailith@yahoo.com 07/17/02 02:10am >>> > Greetings to the list. > > I'm looking for a book(s) published in 1989 by > Marshall Cavendish Ltd called "Die Renaissance." > It's > at least a 2 volume set (a friend has volume 2). > There's no ISBN and no editor listed. > > It's in German, but I suspect it was published in > London. I happened across another book published by > Marshall Cavendish Ltd and the city listed was > London. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 09:56:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04601 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HDeQE06012; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HDeON25385; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10308.mail.yahoo.com (web10308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HDW0N22662 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717133159.6946.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.45] by web10308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:31:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200207171204.g6HC4VN27405@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-369017195-1026912719=:6731" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: different velvets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:31:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-369017195-1026912719=:6731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Quick note on velvet boards (which I'm pretty sure John Lewis sell). Obviously, they're used to avoid crushing the pile when pressing velvets/velours/velveteens/anything else with a pile. My Nana (trained as a tailor in the 40s) taught me to use a big fluffy towel, laid over the ironing board, (white or cream, to avoid problems with colour bleed). Provided the pile on the towel is deep enough, and the velvet is pressed face down, it does the same job, in preventing the velvet pile from being crushed. Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-369017195-1026912719=:6731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Quick note on velvet boards (which I'm pretty sure John Lewis sell).  Obviously, they're used to avoid crushing the pile when pressing velvets/velours/velveteens/anything else with a pile.

My Nana (trained as a tailor in the 40s) taught me to use a big fluffy towel, laid over the ironing board, (white or cream, to avoid problems with colour bleed).  Provided the pile on the towel is deep enough, and the velvet is pressed face down, it does the same job, in preventing the velvet pile from being crushed.

Debbie.


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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-369017195-1026912719=:6731-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 09:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04605 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:56:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HDeiE06045; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HDehN25489; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HDX6N22988 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a240.in-tch.com [66.62.107.40]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g6HDJGr13364 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D357352.9C44D141@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, References: <20020717114532.5763.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:38:26 -0600 Status: RO Sorry to hear that you're home sick...colds are no fun! When I'm feeling that punk, I like to curl up on the couch with an afghan and a cat or two, and a pot of hot tea, and look through all my costuming and needlework books (I have several bookcases of them), and reacquaint myself with the ones I haven't seen in a while....Gives me ideas for new outfits, and lets me lean back and take a nap when I need to, too. I would imagine that learning-sewing experiences depend on when and where in the U.S. a given individual grew up. I was born in 1960, and spent most of my growing-up years on a farm in a largely rural state (Montana), and my schooling was in a small town nearby. When I went through Jr. High (grades 7-8), we got a "quarter" (one-third of the school year) of mandatory Shop or HomeEc. Girls were required to take the HomeEc, and boys, the Shop. I don't recall anyone being allowed to take the other sex's class. We also all got a quarter of typing, and a quarter of something else I don't remember . ISTR that one could go on, and take additional classes in shop or HomeEc, but that one class was pretty much mandatory. My baby sister (16 years younger than I am) went through the same school system, and by her time, it'd become co-ed, and more along the "life skills" line.... I found the HomeEc pretty frustrating--it was mostly cooking-oriented, and I'd been cooking at home for several years by that point (started when I was about 6). For girls who'd never learned at home, though, it was probably not such a bad deal. I actually did my first embroidery in the Girl Scouts when I was 9, and learned to sew on the sewing machine a few years later in 4-H Club. (I don't know if there are non-US equivalents to the 4-H Clubs in the U.S....they're oriented to kids who grow up on farms and ranches, and involve learning a variety of related skills--different kinds of cooking, sewing, all sorts of livestock (from chickens to beef, depending on what you wanted to do), leadership skills, etc.). My first "official" garment was a green velvet mini skirt *laughs* The leaders thought I was nuts, and that it was way too difficult....but I did just fine and have been sewing ever since, although mostly quilts (patchwork) and historical costuming. I occasionally do "mundane" sewing for myself, but who's got the time when the blackwork is calling? or the gothic fitted gown? or the Norse apron dress? (and spending the evening drooling over various sack-backed gowns doesn't help either! ) --Sue, in beastly hot and smoky Montana, looking forward to a cool, green England in 6 weeks.... N Kipar wrote: > > --- Rowena wrote: > > > > As I teach Home Ec (now FaCs - Family & Consumer Skills) in Central New > > York, I know that all students in 6, 7, or 8th grades (about ages 11-13) > > must get in about 30 weeks of Home Ec, mandated by the state. > > If I may say so, I am amazed that something like this is taught in the US, as I > haven't come across anything like that in my German NorthRhine Westphalian 13 > years school career (graduated in 88 to go to Uni), because Home Ed was > regarded as being backwards and interfering or something like that. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 10:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04859 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:23:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HE8KE07827; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HE8IN05557; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HE04N02324 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK7EQZ9T40000RXU@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:59:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK7EQY9F0K000SBV@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:59:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:55:55 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:55:39 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:55:30 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] different velvets In-reply-to: <200207160119.g6G1JBN16526@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DE8DDF4105@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:55:30 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > In the areas I've been, all the Asian stores sell 100% polyester > > only. > > And often calling it "palace silk" making you think you're getting > real silk. ;) Many of them, here in England at any rat, have no idea what the fibre content is, or what constitues accuracy in the labelling or what they tell you when you buy. I've given up shopping in such places becaise too many times I've had to go back to complain about something sold as 100% natural fibre (I always ask before I buy to make sure) that turns out to be a blend when I do a burn test, or throw it in the machine to dye it.... So far I've had responses to my complaints ranging from an exchange for more fabric (none of which they can guarnatee are natural fibre), arguments that it doesn't matter what the fibre content is as no-one but the manufacturer could possibly be interested and it looks pretty anyway through refunding the money (but nothing to cover the cost of the wasted dye or my wasted time in buying the stuff, dying it and then taking it back to complain). It's just too much hassle for me to bother taking the time to check those shops for the occasional rare worth-buying find. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 10:35:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04915 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:35:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HEL4E08807; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HEL3N10839; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HEB6N06669 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717141106.52640.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:11:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D357352.9C44D141@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:11:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Sorry to hear that you're home sick...colds are no fun! When I'm feeling > that punk, I like to curl up on the couch with an afghan and a cat or > two, and a pot of hot tea, It's too warm for all that! I hate summer colds. *whines* Thanks Sue for the sympathy. :-) and look through all my costuming and > needlework books (I have several bookcases of them), and reacquaint > myself with the ones I haven't seen in a while....Gives me ideas for new > outfits, and lets me lean back and take a nap when I need to, too. Well, I decided that finally I should get up from my seat and do something useful like ironing my linens. here I am, happily spraying away onto y undredress, thinking I am using spray starch, wondering about the perfumed smell and the squeaky way the iron runs over it until the last bits when I discovered I used Febreeze instead of spray starch. ACK! braindead indeed. > and historical costuming. I occasionally do "mundane" sewing for I find that there were lots of very nice and useful sewing magazines in germany back in the 80s (Burda publishing house) with superb fashionable patterns. Most of all 'Burda International'. I think most were just petered out and stopped. *sigh* > --Sue, in beastly hot and smoky Montana, looking forward to a cool, > green England in 6 weeks.... Ha!!! I could be anything in six weeks, in fact it could be anything each day. snow, sun, heat, fog, ice, rain, gales, mud, just about anything :-))) The continent has a climate, England has weather. Oh how true this is I learned in the last years. Nicole - refusing to do anything 'useful' today and taking up Sue's suggestion. But which of the dozens and dozens of books to peruse? :-) ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05121 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:14:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HF0CE12779; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HF0AN29406; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HEnLN24096 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK7GH19LC0000S1U@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:48:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK7GG19D2E000TNJ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:48:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:44:22 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:43:54 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:43:49 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in UK(WAS: different velvets) In-reply-to: <200207161801.g6GI1xN11514@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DF5BC77D47@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Jean, it's obvious that you have never seen me sewing Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:19:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05227 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HF4YE13193; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HF4XN01731; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:04:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HEqrN25759 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK7GLJ8Z0G000IZI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK7GL9UWAC000UEG@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:48:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:47:43 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:47:37 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat in England (WAS: Fabric Prices) In-reply-to: <200207162147.g6GLliN20867@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DF6C025673@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Teddy wrote: > > The diamonds are about 2.5 inches high from point to point and the > > trellis around them about 3 inches and it just looked so sumptuos > > that I couldn't resist the chance to get a linen (oh so cool and > > comfy to wear in hot weather despite Robin's teasing about not > > needing it in England...) that doesn't look like a linen. > > She obviously wasn't there when I was there. It wasn't the day we > went to Hampton Court with you, but a couple of the other days were > in the upper 80s (I don't remember what that was in centigrade as I > translated it into fahrenheit so that I could figure out why I was > so miserable.) It was very muggy and hot, but it was a complete > surprise to the residents as well as us "furiners" since it was > only late April or early May. We do get hot weather in the summer (as well as unseasonally early in the year like when you visited) and It takes more getting used to for people who *aren't* used to it than for people who live in places where very hot weather is something they're more acclimatised to.... or so I reckon. > (It was a very short skirt and my research assistant kept > complaining about how the guys were ogling me on the Underground. Next time you'll have to pack more of them! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05298 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:23:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HF92E13682; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HF91N03977; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HEulN27621 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK7GQJ2028000S0O@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:56:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK7GQIMGLY000SHX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:56:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:12 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:10 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cope on display in V&A (WAS: different velvets) In-reply-to: <200207162147.g6GLliN20867@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DF7F2C1A3D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Don't they have a (13th century I think) embroidered red velvet cope > > on display that was cut up and made into another garment (tunicle or > > dalamtic?) later, then was pieced back together into a cope? > > Are you thinking of the red cloak on display in the costume area at > the V&A which used to be a skirt? It is heavily embroidered. But it's > 16/17th C and in pretty good shape. Nope this is a cope that has been re-made as a cope after it was cut up for something else - displayed, along with several others, spread flat in a wall-case in the ecclesiastical/religious artefacts section rather than in the textiles display area. > It would not be unusual, however, for the ecclesiastic copes to be > used to make other ecclesiastic garments (such as dalmatics or the > like.) The details are hazy but it was definately something else it had been cut up for. > > To me it looked just like the worn red velvet of the seats you used > > to get in old cinemas... well the bits not covered in embroidery did > > anyway. > > That does sound more like a cope, but I don't remember a red cope > at the V&A. (I'll have to look through my pictures as I got shots > of everyone of the copes on display, the the dismay of my research > assistant.) You must have a picture of it then... Of cousre, you'll then find it was actually a dark blue brocade altercloth and that I've just misremebered the details.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05347 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:27:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HFDAE14084; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:13:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFD9N06237; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HF5oN02401 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KK7H1QGFG0000KRL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:05:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KK7H1P1NCA000SHX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:05:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:01:50 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:00:58 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.93) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:00:54 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tansy wool (WAS: Photos of 1700... ) In-reply-to: <200207170121.g6H1LBN21378@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <1DFA48D5F02@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:00:54 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Must be local-water thing, or something. The tansy-dyed wools done by > my friends were very lovely shades of an almost olive-green. The > silks were similar, but lighter. --sue That sounds much nicer. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:36:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05400 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:36:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HFM4E14971; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFM2N10832; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f122.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HF9TN04250 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:09:23 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:09:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 15:09:23.0744 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF4BDA00:01C22DA3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:09:23 +0000 Status: RO But the very best thing is still if you can learn to sew from your mom :-) >As I teach Home Ec (now FaCs - Family & Consumer Skills) in Central New >York, I know that all students in 6, 7, or 8th grades (about ages 11-13) >must get in about 30 weeks of Home Ec, mandated by the state. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:49:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05538 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HFYeE16308; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFYcN17930; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFFoN07667 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:15:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g6HFGx226045 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200207171516.g6HFGx226045@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-Reply-To: <000c01c22cd4$dac49380$55c98693@creighton.edu> "from Cynthia Abel at Jul 16, 2002 09:27:02 am" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO they mailed me and told me the book was in japanese. was the stateside one? I've only seen scans from it, but I thought it was in translation? .heather. > At least the price hasn't gone up, even though the cover might have > changed(or is the cover on the website actually the box for the video?). I > bought mine a good five years ago and paid about $45 for it. But my > bookstore(whose employee went the extra mile in return for a peek at the > book)found a stateside source. This book is just priceless!! > > BTW, does anyone on the list know a rough conversion from Yen to US$ and if > the video works in US VCR's In Japanese or English, to view some of what's > in the book on video--for us that have frame advance or slow mo features on > our VCRs--to get to view the actual costumes in possibly more than one view. > Yum, Yum! > > Cindy Abel > ILL Coordinator > Health Sciences Library > Creighton University > 2500 California Plaza > Omaha NE 68178-0210 > Phone: 402. 280-5144 > Fax: 402.280-5134 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05569 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HFd5E16785; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFd4N20253; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f203.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFQaN13374 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:26:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:26:30 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:26:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-looking for a book--Help! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 15:26:30.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[536BA5E0:01C22DA6] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:26:30 +0000 Status: RO Marshall Cavendish is the editor, btw... they make reference books. There website is here: www.marshallcavendish.com I'm thinking that your book could be one of the volumes of one of their encyclopedias, such as History of the Modern World http://www.marshallcavendish.com/mcc/container.asp?series_id=1&imprint=Marshall+Cavendish+Reference+Books&element=display%2Easp&sku=0%2D7614%2D7147%2D2 or even Great Artists of the Western Worldhttp://www.marshallcavendish.com/mcc/container.asp?series_id=1&imprint=Marshall+Cavendish+Reference+Books&element=display%2Easp&sku=0%2D86307%2D743%2D9 So you might want to search for the whole collection of books instead of just the one volume you need. Anyway, good luck! > > >>> macailith@yahoo.com 07/17/02 02:10am >>> > > Greetings to the list. > > > > I'm looking for a book(s) published in 1989 by > > Marshall Cavendish Ltd called "Die Renaissance." > > It's > > at least a 2 volume set (a friend has volume 2). > > There's no ISBN and no editor listed. > > > > It's in German, but I suspect it was published in > > London. I happened across another book published by > > Marshall Cavendish Ltd and the city listed was > > London. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 11:53:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05573 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HFdBE16809; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:39:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFd9N20334; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFSwN14789 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:28:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 89FE310F209 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006901c22da6$75738040$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <1DF5BC77D47@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in UK(WAS: different velvets) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:27:27 -0400 Status: RO I was thinking the same thing. I sew at the kitchen table, and it tends to look like there has been been a massive explosion at a thread factory! But I did finish my lavender brocade Italian!! I put it up on eBay though--it's beautiful. but it's synthetic, and I just don't want to wear it now. You all have infected me! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in UK(WAS: different velvets) > > and they would make something for the same purpose in their own way > > - I make a bag, they make a box. But sewing takes less cleaning up > > after! > > Jean, it's obvious that you have never seen me sewing > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 12:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05758 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HG56E19688; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HG53N05323; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f133.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HFs4N28981 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:53:59 -0700 Received: from 205.163.11.113 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:53:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.163.11.113] From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 15:53:59.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A417BA0:01C22DAA] Subject: [h-cost] Help on Stain Removal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:53:59 +0000 Status: RO Oxi-Clean is a modern day miracle! You can get it in the US at Wal-mart for pretty cheap. It gets everything out! I swear by the stuff! It can also be used on old fabrics that have yellowed over time with great success. It's gentle and really gets the stain out of all colors. "Gets your whites whiter and your brights brighter!" I use it as an additive to all my loads of wash, a tough stain can be treated by making a paste and applying directly and can be used to soak items overnight for ease of washing the next day. It seems to work best is warm water, but still works fine in cooler temps. This is one "As seen on TV" items that is really a good thing. :) jessica _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 12:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05768 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HG5YE19769; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HG5XN05640; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HFsoN29416 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:54:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717155450.35787.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:54:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in UK(WAS: different velvets) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <006901c22da6$75738040$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:54:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > But I did finish my lavender brocade Italian!! I put it up on eBay > though--it's beautiful. but it's synthetic, and I just don't want to wear it > now. You all have infected me! > > Dianne Dianne, send us the link, I would love to see it! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 12:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05978 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:58:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HGi9E23616; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGi7N28649; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGYfN23511 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip190.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.190]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6HGYbo28956 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heat in England (WAS: Fabric Prices) Message-ID: <3D353C36.11985.1226CB84@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200207162147.g6GLliN20867@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <1DF6C025673@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:43:18 -0700 Status: RO > > (It was a very short skirt and my research assistant kept > > complaining about how the guys were ogling me on the Underground. > > Next time you'll have to pack more of them! Honey, that was 30# ago and how many years ago! I can't fit in the little darlings anymore and it would look like mutton dressed up as lamb to try!! Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 12:58:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05980 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HGiIE23643; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGiHN28745; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGYkN23534 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip190.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.190]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6HGYgo28974 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, Message-ID: <3D353C37.21567.1226CC33@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002901c22d84$5bb4be20$01fea8c0@vaio> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:43:19 -0700 Status: RO > And apparently one > of the few who can do basic maintenance on the machines, so that I > still have 14 working old Singers - the simple kind built for schools > back in the 70s, that are all metal, and are fairly hard for the kids > to destroy. Probably 60s. Singer came out with the Touch-N-sew (also known as Touchy-sew) in the mid-60s. They quit making all metal machines about that time. (Damn them!) Even the schools had the Touchy-sews. In 1966 we had all new Touchy-sews and 2 of the old metal Singers. They got rid of the last of them within 2 years and got more of the Touchy-sews. Mom actually bought a TouchySew for me when I took that class (so I wouldn't touch her beloved White). It was the model one up from the base version we had at school. I used it for years and would probably still have it except that was what my ex-husband was using to bash open a trunk when the SWAT team came to take him out of the house he was trashing. (I had been divorced from him for 2 1/2 years at that time.) Fortunately, he thought the brand new Pfaff was my roommates or he would have destroyed it too. Instead he just pulled over the bookshelf it was on. > I justify that under the How to do Laundry > unit, specifically titled as the How to Avoid Pink Underwear lesson. I hope your students appreciate you! You teach them what they need to know but manage to make it fun at the same time. (No, I won't sing the Mary Poppins "Spoonful of sugar" nursery cleaning song. No, I won't or it will be with me all day!) Too bad you couldn't have just the special ed kids as a special class. I bet they'd enjoy it (unless they were severe and profound) the way you describe teaching it. Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:03:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06011 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:03:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HGmOE24139; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGmNN01188; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGYmN23560 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip190.124-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.124.190]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g6HGYio28982 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cope on display in V&A (WAS: different velvets) Message-ID: <3D353C36.28805.1226CB31@localhost> Priority: normal References: <200207162147.g6GLliN20867@net.indra.com> In-reply-to: <1DF7F2C1A3D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:43:18 -0700 Status: RO > > That does sound more like a cope, but I don't remember a red cope at > > the V&A. (I'll have to look through my pictures as I got shots of > > everyone of the copes on display, the the dismay of my research > > assistant.) > > You must have a picture of it then... Of cousre, you'll then find it > was actually a dark blue brocade altercloth and that I've just > misremebered the details.... > Teddy Oh, Teddy darling, you could do us one even better. *You*, who live so close to the actual source, could go to the V&A and look at it and tell us. That way we *know* that we aren't mixing up copes. ;) Kat Kat(June Russell) kat@grendal.rain.com Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:07:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06036 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:07:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HGqnE24680; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGqlN03854; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:52:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGcNN25500 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:38:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 6.152.10f82917 (5711) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m26.webmail.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINID44-0717123813; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:13 -0400 From: FyneHats2@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: <027145D6.217EDD3F.0251717C@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Kendra's 1870 petticoat question Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:13 -0400 Status: RO A pattern company - Truly Victorian - run by Heather and Laura McNaughton, make a bustle petticoat pattern that they have taught at Costume College in Van Nuys, CA. It has a smooth front with the bustle cage wire at the back with an optional ruffle overlay designed specifically for those 1870-1880 costumes. They also have a plain petticoat version. Their web site is www.trulyvictorian.com. They are both fantastic women, extremely knowledgeable and great teachers!(I made one in their class and it came out just as they said!) Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:12:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06047 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:12:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HGv4E25260; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGv3N06454; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGljN00838 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Urxl-0001V5-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:47:41 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:47:41 -0400 Status: RO > If I may say so, I am amazed that something like this is taught in the US, as I > haven't come across anything like that in my German NorthRhine Westphalian 13 > years school career (graduated in 88 to go to Uni), because Home Ed was > regarded as being backwards and interfering or something like that. I guess > that was because Northrhine Westphalia was a very liberal left government and > it was/is totally uncool to teach something like that. *laughs* I'm going to add my voice to this sentiment, but the difference is that I'm a Californian! When I was in school (lessee, that was about 1983- 1996) sewing was definately not taught, neither in the private school I attended for kindergarden through 2nd grade, nor the public schools I attended after that. The emphasis was always on math and sciences, and during the early 90's, nearly all art programs were cut from California schools, making it even more rare to have something like Home Ec or Family Sciences or whatever they call it these days. You had your pic of a general art class which taught painting and drawing, or you could chose a music course (either orchestra, band or choir) and if your school was really well funded, you had the option of theater and dance classes. But no sewing. I learned by virtue of having a mother who learned from her mother, etc. Basically, once I discovered renaissance faires, she made it clear to me that if I wanted a costume, I had to sew it myself. That got me motivated right quick! I was also a Girl Scout, and that was about the only enviornment outside of my own home where I was exposed to sewing. Because, like, if you're lost in the wilderness, you're always going to have a sewing machine with you to make potholders, right? Sheesh. I had to learn survival skills from my mom as well (and now I can start fires with just a pile of dry leaves and two sticks! My mom rocks!). > I find it very fascinating to hear that these things are taught and that indeed > sewing is occasionally taught beyond primary school age. I remember we did a > bit of cord making and easy embroidery and things like that in primary school > (born in 69) for boys and girls, and fotball for boys and girls too. :-) I came into the world during the age of equal oppertunity between genders, which meant everyone had the pleasure of getting pelted in dodge ball, beaned with a softball and generally ridiculed by other students for not being sports inclined. Ah, love that gender equality thing. I'm hearing that schools are starting to clue into the hell of forced competitive sports in elementary schools and are starting to do away with games like dodge ball (the bane of my childhood existence) because they do more emotional damage than physical enhancement. And speaking as someone who once was a very small, very thin little girl who was more of a dreamer than a sports goddess, it's about damn time! -- Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:15:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06058 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:15:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HH19E25629; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:01:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HH18N08676; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nemesis.systems.pipex.net (nemesis.systems.pipex.net [62.190.223.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGndN01962 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (usergh072.dsl.pipex.com [62.190.175.72]) by nemesis.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 49A5716000662 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <002501c22db1$f0b43b40$0101a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:38 +0100 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" > But the very best thing is still if you can learn to sew from your mom :-) > I can't resist this subject any longer: all your comments have made me realise how lucky I was in my schooldays ! They were so different that looking back feels like seeing a piece of living history. My school was in a village high in the Pennines, an area of lonely hills in northern England. (We relied on at least one extra week's holiday a year when the snow was so deep that the school had to be closed.) It took everyone, boys and girls, between the ages of five and fifteen: although a new scheme of primary and secondary schools had been introduced by the government, (with the break at eleven years), they were still building a new secondary school in the next nearest town in my day. As our numbers were small, we gathered into groups for most lessons that were wider than the single year of age which seems to be the norm for classes now, although the boys did not do needlework and the girls did not do woodwork. It was pleasant to work in groups like that because when I was young the older ones would help me with difficulties and encourage me, and when I was older I found that teaching something to someone else was by far the best way to learn it properly for myself. Every Thursday afternoon, we would sit by the windows, chatting quietly - which was an unusual liberty - and make 'useful' items. At first we learnt simple things: I remember embroidering a canvas dressing-table mat with brightly coloured wools, and making a pin cushion, (which is still in my sewing box). Later, there was a gingham apron, and matching long sleeve protectors for when you were washing dishes. How bored I got with the long french seams up the sides of a nightdress, (all handsewn), which had to be taken out and redone over and over again, until I got them straight enough, and the stitches even enough. Still, it has proved useful training since. Later, my parents moved house and I was lucky enough to win a scholarship to a girls-only grammar school. It was run by nuns, so the needlework was definitely maintained at a high standard. I remember a whole year when we did all kinds of repairs - probably one of the most useful things I have ever studied. Once in our teens, we made a blouse, and then a skirt. Eventually we were considered sensible enough to progress to the use of the two precious sewing machines in the needlework room. In my last year we were allowed to choose what we wanted to make, and I shocked my teacher by opting for a lined woollen cloak, although it was a fashion item, not a historic reproduction. To my amazement, I discovered that there was a whole new world of tailoring techniques to acquire. Subsequent learning has been from books, and from this excellent group. But we certainly seem to have covered far more needlework than most of you have done. It was fortunate that I did, because my mother couldn't sew for toffee. She told me that she was so bad at needlework when she was at school that she was put on to leatherwork instead: I had to do all the family sewing as soon as I could manage it. However, I know she could knit, because I remember a fairisle jumper; although a neighbour taught me the basics of knitting, (because my mother's work kept herfar too busy), and I picked up the rest from a pattern book. Somehow, I never seem to have learned to crochet, but I enjoy making bobbin lace now - again self-taught. Looking back, I am surprised that we continued to do needlework right through school, although - because I was put in an 'academic' stream, we never did any other sorts of "domestic science". When I left school, I still didn't know how to make a cup of instant coffee, let alone how to shop for and cook a meal, or run a house, or care for children, (Perhaps unconsciously they expected that we would all become nuns, or maybe - it has just occurred to me - that was all they knew !) Still, they had taught me how to learn subjects from books, and that has sufficed. My sister is a teacher of ten-to-eleven-year-olds, and - as far as I can tell - the pressure is all on learning "the three r's". This is probably just as well because, although my sister was a very successful scientist before she turned to teaching, she inherited my mother's sewing genes. However, I think that we learned reading and tables and so on too, yet had more peaceful and happy schooldays. I regret that her pupils will never enjoy sitting and sewing, (nor going for nature walks), as we did. And how will they make the leap into understanding the construction of early clothing ? How did you all manage to do it ? yours sincerely, Linda Walton (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). P.S. Sorry this has turned out to be so long - nostalgia seems to have had me in its grip . . . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06076 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HH5TE26120; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:05:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HH5RN11198; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGgKN27699 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:42:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCgT481sKWNcmgSib8s2Mm4uxA043FzhgMA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G7XD39EN; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:39:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] English fabric shops Message-ID: <20020717.113815.-281093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-9 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:38:14 -0500 Status: RO It took me a few days to dig the bag out, but I found a really nice little shop in London which I jokingly call 'Plunkett and McLean' due to the name's similarity to the movie. Actually the name is MacCulloch and Wallis Ltd. It's located on a little side street off of Oxford Street called Dering Street. It's between the Bond Street and the Oxford Circus Tube stations. It's got nice fabrics and the second floor has a terrific notions section while the third floor has lots of millinery supplies. They even sell corset laces! Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06088 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HH6OE26275; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HH6NN11777; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HGq1N03394 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717165201.25734.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.182] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:52:01 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Burda Mag alive and well, was Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020717141106.52640.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: [snip] > I find that there were lots of very nice and useful sewing > magazines in germany > back in the 80s (Burda publishing house) with superb fashionable > patterns. Most > of all 'Burda International'. I think most were just petered out > and stopped. > *sigh* [snip] Burda is alive and well and translated into English! AND, there is a new Burda magazine for beginning sewers with easier patterns and more detailed instructions in it (although I think it only is published quarterly or something like that). I have been subscribed to Burda mag for a couple of years now and I find the patterns fit me much better than the large American pattern companies. If you are in the US, you can subscribe via http://www.glpnews.com. If you have never seen Burda magazine you should try it!!! Just a satisfied costumer/customer... mirv ===== Megan Irvine http://www.darkthreads.com Personal log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com "No ship will ever take you away from yourself."--Constantine Cavafy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:25:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06097 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:25:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHB4E26848; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHB3N14446; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HGwON07172 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip115.access-one.com [198.247.160.115]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6HGwMR32462 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:58:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c22db2$97899500$73a0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kendra's 1870 petticoat question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:54:16 -0500 Status: RO yes, but that pattern is too full at the top for late 1870's(natural form dresses) the construction of wire bustles in that particular time frame is totally different from anything I've seen on the web pattern wise. The plain petticoat might be a better choice... but if you have a skirt pattern it would be simple to just add the back ruffles for a petticoat made to your skirt shape. MJ . It has a smooth front with the bustle cage wire at the back with an optional ruffle overlay designed specifically for those 1870-1880 costumes. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06124 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:30:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHFOE27305; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHFMN16978; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HH1rN09137 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020717170147.QNTR24728.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:01:47 +0000 Message-ID: <008101c22db3$a11e0410$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <200207171516.g6HFGx226045@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:01:44 -0700 Status: RO Yes, there's definitely an English-language version -- I have a library copy in my house right now! Having the Japanese version wouldn't be TOO bad, as the really cool thing about the book is all of the amazing color photos. But there is a really interesting article by Janet Arnold on 18th c. dress construction that would be a shame to miss. - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute > they mailed me and told me the book was in japanese. > was the stateside one? I've only seen scans from it, but I thought it > was in translation? > > .heather. > > > > At least the price hasn't gone up, even though the cover might have > > changed(or is the cover on the website actually the box for the video?). I > > bought mine a good five years ago and paid about $45 for it. But my > > bookstore(whose employee went the extra mile in return for a peek at the > > book)found a stateside source. This book is just priceless!! > > > > BTW, does anyone on the list know a rough conversion from Yen to US$ and if > > the video works in US VCR's In Japanese or English, to view some of what's > > in the book on video--for us that have frame advance or slow mo features on > > our VCRs--to get to view the actual costumes in possibly more than one view. > > Yum, Yum! > > > > Cindy Abel > > ILL Coordinator > > Health Sciences Library > > Creighton University > > 2500 California Plaza > > Omaha NE 68178-0210 > > Phone: 402. 280-5144 > > Fax: 402.280-5134 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:34:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06131 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHJTE27724; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHJSN19339; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HH5cN11293 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from WERNTO ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020717170533.QFOT26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@WERNTO> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:05:33 +0000 Message-ID: <008901c22db4$27aa7180$befc8218@WERNTO> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <003a01c22d25$01c32000$49a0f7c6@marnadav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:05:30 -0700 Status: RO Thanks to everyone for the feedback on 1870's petticoats! Marna Jean, can you describe this again? I'm having trouble picturing what you've described. > some of the petticoats from that era had casings in the back panel to shirr them up against the legs. The dress I'm making is probably from about 1876 (it's the Janet Arnold c. 1874-77 dress -- looking at fashion plates, it looks like '75 or '76 to me). That's good advice re: moving the bustle pad down -- I was definitely planning on a flat front with ruffles down the back. > I like a tier of ruffles down the back and a small bustle pad placed at the low hip instead of the waistline for most dresses in that era. I would also > suggest the front panel of the petticoat be smooth with the ruffles confined to the side and back panels only - but it depends on when in the late > 70's you are talking-75 up to 1877 they were a bit fuller with 78-79 being pretty slim, and starting to get fuller again in 1880. The ties aren't > supposed to "bind" your legs together mearly pull the front of the dress flat and you don't want it showing through that you are bipedal! *mercy!* I have seen the Truly Victorian natural form petticoat pattern -- I'll have to look at it more closely at Costume College! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:34:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06135 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHJXE27742; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHJWN19387; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HH66N11577 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p210.directcon.net [209.233.107.210]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g6HH5xqd009630; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:06:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020717101129.00c57600@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-Reply-To: <200207171516.g6HFGx226045@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: <000c01c22cd4$dac49380$55c98693@creighton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:11:29 -0700 Status: RO >> BTW, does anyone on the list know a rough conversion from Yen to US$ Try the Universal Currency Converter here: http://www.xe.com/ucc/ Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06187 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHP3E28428; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHP2N22474; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HHBZN14831 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:11:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717171135.98606.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:11:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Burda Mag alive and well, was Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020717165201.25734.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:11:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Megan Irvine > Burda is alive and well and translated into English! Ohhh, I have to check how to get it in England! If all else fails I could ask my mum to send it over I guess, but I hate asking them all the time or my friends, because it is pretty impossible to send money to and fro the continent. I know it sounds daft but it's true. English cheques areonly accepted in England. bank transfers are exorbitantly expensive. BRING IN THE EURO!!!!!! megan, have you tried their specials? the trousers/blouses/skirts ones? they come quarterly. do they still do the burda international? Burda's fit is superb, I agree! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:54:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06415 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHc4E29923; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:38:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHc3N00543; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHTVN25119 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay03.mac.com (smtp-relay03-en1 [10.13.10.222]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g6HHTT8J024107 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay03.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g6HHTOac020885 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GZELWZ00.CRL for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:29:23 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute - Revolution in Fashion carefully desctibed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:29:54 -0700 Status: RO The one I have is definitely in English - it is printed by Abbeville Press. The first 24 pages are text - there is a forward by the French ambassador to Japan (8 lines) a preface by the director of the National museum of modern art in Kyoto (the parent organization of the costume institute) an Introduction by the director of the costume institute and an essay by Jean Starobinski, a professor at the University of Geneva, and art critic on Rococo and Neoclassicism - this essay has some black and white prints of rococo art and architecture. There is next an essay by Philippe Duboy, Architecture Historian, Paris which also has some black and white reproductions. Then the "meat" of the book starts with full color plates of garments on mannequins, some close up and detail shots until page 108 - these have no text at all on the page expect the page number - the language the book is printed in would make no difference. Following the full color section there are more essays, first one by Akiko Fukai, the co-curator of the Kyoto costume institute called Rococo and Neoclassical clothing. It makes some interesting observations and has some black and white illustrations. Next is an essay called "One More Desire: Fashion Leaders of a Dramatic Era" It discusses Pompadour, Marie Antoinette and Josephine. It has black and white prints of portraits of them and of Vigee-Lebrun. The next essay is by Toshio Horii, Professor of European History, Osaka entitled "From an Age of Refinement to the world of the Tempest. It discusses the changes in society and dress that accompany the social and political revolution. There is one black and white print in there. Pages 126-134 present an essay by Janet Arnold on the cut and construction of Women's clothes in the Eighteenth Century. This essay includes three of her pattern drawings line in her big flat books but they are printed without the grid lines - they are sill useful, they inculde the Sack or robe a la francsois, the Robe Anglaise and an 1810 Muslin gown. Martin Kamer, costume historian and collector, Zug, Switzerland chimes in last with a three page essay on Brilliant Adornments - the jewelry of the period. There are no illustrations in his essay. Pages 138 - 153 are the plate commentary - there are lots of small black and white photos of the same garments we see in the color plates here, with extensive information about many of the items, including dates, and who/what museum owns the items. There are also some additional period illustrations in this section that help show the garments in their original context. Pages 154-155 contain information on the garments that were in the exhibition but were not included in the color plates. There are eight garments shown in black and white. Pages 156-161 have a very interesting chronology and page 162 contains a glossary continuing on to half of page 163 which then has the index up to page 165. Page 166 has the credits of the show. So - the pictures are worth a thousand words but the words aren't too bad either. I would probably buy the book in Japanese if I didn't already have it in English, then I would check out a copy from the library and read the English parts, make notes on the interesting stuff and keep the notes with the Japanese copy. But, I have already done that with numerous non-english fashion books that are "photo heavy" - if that is your style, then you must get this book. I hope this helped and hasn't bored you all silly. Agnes > From: Heather Meadows > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute > > they mailed me and told me the book was in japanese. > was the stateside one? I've only seen scans from it, but I thought it > was in translation? > > .heather. > > >> At least the price hasn't gone up, even though the cover might have >> changed(or is the cover on the website actually the box for the video?). I >> bought mine a good five years ago and paid about $45 for it. But my >> bookstore(whose employee went the extra mile in return for a peek at the >> book)found a stateside source. This book is just priceless!! >> >> BTW, does anyone on the list know a rough conversion from Yen to US$ and if >> the video works in US VCR's In Japanese or English, to view some of what's >> in the book on video--for us that have frame advance or slow mo features on >> our VCRs--to get to view the actual costumes in possibly more than one view. >> Yum, Yum! >> >> Cindy Abel >> ILL Coordinator >> Health Sciences Library >> Creighton University >> 2500 California Plaza >> Omaha NE 68178-0210 >> Phone: 402. 280-5144 >> Fax: 402.280-5134 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 13:56:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06452 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHgHE00488; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHgGN02971; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HHU3N25452 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717173002.49130.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:30:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002501c22db1$f0b43b40$0101a8c0@bella> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:30:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Linda Walton wrote: > *snippage* Thanks Linda for sharing that, it was fascinating! I grew up in school during the 80s (oh my, wasn't the music great and the hair styles silly, including my own :-))) gender equality at home and at school wasn't even an issue, I guess that germany was ahead, or maybe it was the part where I came from? That's more likely. I wish though instead of just doing nothing they would have taught both the guys and the gals needlework AND shop. I learned needlework all from my mum and shop all from my dad. Yessir, I can and did and do build my own furniture and DIY. > enjoy sitting and sewing, (nor going for nature walks), as we did. And how > will they make the leap into understanding the construction of early > clothing ? How did you all manage to do it ? With my mum's help, but the rest came via the academic approach. Books, books, studying extant garments, learning how to 'read' and evaluate sources, etc. It came through school and through Uni in combination with my mum's skills she taught me. Nowadays I am better in some things than my mum (she cannot make anything without a properly fitting pattern) and others I'll never reach her. (her tailoring techniques are IMMACULATE! But that's my mum, always perfect :-)) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:01:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06482 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:01:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHkXE00916; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHkXN05323; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:46:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHVSN26296 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.16.22440cb4 (3958) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:31:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <16.22440cb4.2a6703e4@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.22440cb4.2a6703e4_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: 73 Online Fabric Stores Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:31:16 EDT Status: RO --part1_16.22440cb4.2a6703e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roscelin, thanks for that awesome link! There are many stores on that list that were not yet in my Favorite Places. This will greatly expand my sources. I wonder if someone could make a page where we could all add our supply sites to create a "master list" of costuming supplies? --Gillian, who doesn't know a darn thing about web design --part1_16.22440cb4.2a6703e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Roscelin, thanks for that awesome link!  There are many stores on that list that were not yet in my Favorite Places.  This will greatly expand my sources. 

I wonder if someone could make a page where we could all add our supply sites to create a "master list" of costuming supplies?

--Gillian, who doesn't know a darn thing about web design

 --part1_16.22440cb4.2a6703e4_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06486 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHkRE00883; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHkPN05232; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com (imo-r01.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHMIN21017 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.179.b6b08af (3958) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <179.b6b08af.2a6701bb@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_179.b6b08af.2a6701bb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: shop and home economics Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:03 EDT Status: RO --part1_179.b6b08af.2a6701bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << We could take "home economics" or sewing classes in school. (Boys were more likely to take "shop" classes that included woodworking and similar skills. Today I gather that the names of the classes are less gender-oriented, and students are welcome to take whichever they want, but I suspect some noticeable gender division remains in class makeup.)>> I graduated in '93 in NY. In middle school/junior high students of both sexes took 2 mandatory classes: Home Economics and Tech. Home-Ec taught basic cooking and sewing, while Tech was architecture, electronic circuits, basic machines, and technical drawing. There was only one class level of each, so there was no opportunity to continue your education in that area. So, for my school at least, the gender make-up was exactly the same as the gender make-up of the school itself. Now I can carve an aerodynamic CO2 car from a block of wood, while my brother can sew on his own buttons. LOL Can everybody add their own experiences? I'd be curious to see how many of us are still exposed to sewing in school, and how that may be affecting the declining home sewing industry... --Gillian the seamstress --part1_179.b6b08af.2a6701bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << We
could take "home economics" or sewing classes in school. (Boys were more
likely to take "shop" classes that included woodworking and similar
skills. Today I gather that the names of the classes are less
gender-oriented, and students are welcome to take whichever they want, but
I suspect some noticeable gender division remains in class makeup.)>>

I graduated in '93 in NY.  In middle school/junior high students of both sexes took 2 mandatory classes: Home Economics and Tech.  Home-Ec taught basic cooking and sewing, while Tech was architecture, electronic circuits, basic machines, and technical drawing.  There was only one class level of each, so there was no opportunity to continue your education in that area.  So, for my school at least, the gender make-up was exactly the same as the gender make-up of the school itself.  Now I can carve an aerodynamic CO2 car from a block of wood, while my brother can sew on his own buttons. LOL

Can everybody add their own experiences?  I'd be curious to see how many of us are still exposed to sewing in school, and how that may be affecting the declining home sewing industry...

--Gillian the seamstress --part1_179.b6b08af.2a6701bb_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06493 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:05:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHp3E01353; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHp2N07704; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host3.avidhosting.com (host3.avidhosting.com [209.239.38.67]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHclN00985 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip115.access-one.com [198.247.160.115]) by host3.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6HHcjR07263 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:38:45 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c22db7$fa4e5d60$73a0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1870's tie-back skirts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:32:39 -0500 Status: RO Do you have Victorian Fashions and costumes from Harper's bazar1867-98 , Stella Blum, ed.? if so look on page 146 view a- this petticoat shows a casing right above the knee line to hold the fullness back- it could then be let out for pressing/starching. Basically if you are using Janet Arnold 74-77 pattern you will definitely need some "fluff" underneath your tie back strings to get the desired shape (I would say this dress is definitely 1876 or 77 because rounding the armscye to the shoulder really didn't become popular until then-- or at least that is the year the fashion magazines start showing and mentioning it- I'm big on correct seamlines) You can use the same front and side panels as the skirt, and make the back panel shorter (basically remove the pleating on the sides) Then starting at the hipline put tiers of ruffles that will cover the sideback and back panels. If you want it somewhat "convertible" place a casing on the petticoat in the same manner underneath the ruffles, or place ties in the petticoat itself to hold it back. The ideal position for a casing would be right at the top edge of a ruffle, so that it would serve to gather it in, in a bit more controlled manner. Still not sure I'm making sense- but if you can get to that book I think the picture will make up for my failings in description. MJ > >Marna Jean, can you describe this again? I'm having trouble picturing what >you've described. > >! > >- Kendra > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06498 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:05:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHpCE01385; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHpAN07827; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHd4N01173 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1486210F3AF for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005501c22db8$9c4b5410$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020717155450.35787.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] photos MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:37:23 -0400 Status: RO I just threw up a very quick web page for my photos. (I only have the onde dress up so far!) http://diannestucki.tripod.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in UK(WAS: different velvets) > --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > But I did finish my lavender brocade Italian!! I put it up on eBay > > though--it's beautiful. but it's synthetic, and I just don't want to wear it > > now. You all have infected me! > > > > Dianne > > Dianne, send us the link, I would love to see it! > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06517 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:10:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HHtKE01800; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHtFN10077; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HHgtN03317 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717174254.28290.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:42:54 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] English fabric shops To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020717.113815.-281093.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:42:54 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- seamstrix@juno.com wrote: > It took me a few days to dig the bag out, but I found a really nice > little shop in London which I jokingly call 'Plunkett and McLean' due to > the name's similarity to the movie. Actually the name is MacCulloch and > Wallis Ltd. It's located on a little side street off of Oxford Street > called Dering Street. It's between the Bond Street and the Oxford Circus > Tube stations. It's got nice fabrics and the second floor has a terrific > notions section while the third floor has lots of millinery supplies. > They even sell corset laces! > > > Karen Uhmm.. may I give a word of warning? the prices are exorbitantly exaggerated and I found that the staff was most arrogant. BUT that may only have been my two bad experiences, maybe they just had two bad days. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06550 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HI1qE02519; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HI1oN14001; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:01:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from apollo.gti.net (apollo.gti.net [199.171.27.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHZRN28979 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gti.net (ts6m-pool0-71.gti.net [208.216.115.71]) by apollo.gti.net (mail) with ESMTP id BEC0A358E2 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D35AADD.CB57B2B9@gti.net> From: martyr@gti.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute References: <200207171516.g6HFGx226045@jabberwock.wonderland.com> <008101c22db3$a11e0410$befc8218@WERNTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:35:25 -0400 Status: RO Seriously, if I were you I would hold out for the English version. Besides the pictures, there is much info that I'm sure you would want to read. I have used "Revolution" as a reference for writing papers in grad school; one was on 18th c. fashion & one on Rococo silk. IMHO, it's a really good source of info & pictures; a must-have. I paid $85 for mine new when it first came out. It's absolutely worth it I'm tellin ya... Deb > Having the Japanese version wouldn't be TOO bad, as the really cool thing > about the book is all of the amazing color photos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:29:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06590 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HIENE03898; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIELN21307; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HHutN11040 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:56:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717175655.18768.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:56:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] photos To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <005501c22db8$9c4b5410$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:56:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > I just threw up a very quick web page for my photos. (I only have the onde > dress up so far!) > > http://diannestucki.tripod.com/ That's a lovely gown Dianne! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:29:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06594 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:29:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HIEZE03916; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:14:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIEYN21419; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHftN02772 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:41:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.204.67]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020717174149.JSHN15849.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:41:49 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020717103833.00a39250@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute In-Reply-To: <200207171719.g6HHJdN19464@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:41:39 -0700 Status: RO That's weird. I wonder why they told you that? The copy I got was all in English, not a word or character of Japanese anywhere to be seen. Julie At 10:19 AM 7/17/2002, you wrote: >Message: 1 >From: Heather Meadows >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >they mailed me and told me the book was in japanese. >was the stateside one? I've only seen scans from it, but I thought it >was in translation? > >.heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:29:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06598 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HIEcE03932; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIEcN21457; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glisan.hevanet.com (glisan.hevanet.com [198.5.254.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HHi4N03918 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hevanet.com (hevanet.com [198.5.254.1]) by glisan.hevanet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g6HHi3105077 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Wanda Pease To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-looking for a book--Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO If the is the pair of books I have it was published as a catalogue for an exhibition in Heidelberg back in 1989. This may be why there is no ISBN number. There weren't many copies printed, but it does have some lovely pictures. Regina Romsey On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > I've searched the database available to us, but no luck. > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > >>> macailith@yahoo.com 07/17/02 02:10am >>> > Greetings to the list. > > I'm looking for a book(s) published in 1989 by > Marshall Cavendish Ltd called "Die Renaissance." It's > at least a 2 volume set (a friend has volume 2). > There's no ISBN and no editor listed. > > It's in German, but I suspect it was published in > London. I happened across another book published by > Marshall Cavendish Ltd and the city listed was London. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06627 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HILEE04703; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HILCN25382; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HI94N18277 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Azelana@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.21.) id 7.35.29d0c241 (3958) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Azelana@aol.com Message-ID: <35.29d0c241.2a670cba@aol.com> To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35.29d0c241.2a670cba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10516 Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT Allergies vs Reactions Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:08:58 EDT Status: RO --part1_35.29d0c241.2a670cba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> This happened to me as a young girl. The first time I had penicillin, I got the rash -- but my mother thought it was a fever/heat rash. The second time I had it I apparently got rushed to the ER. I've had some other rather deadly allergic reactions in my lifetime -- especially to perfumes -- so I'm kinda chicken to press my luck with something that gives me a rash the first time. Hence my fabric problem -- to get back on topic... If I know American linens give me hives every time I wear them, I'm a bit timid about trying some labeled "organic Irish." I mean, what if it is not the American processing? What if our own over-processing is the only thing keeping me from a more deadly reaction? --Gillian --part1_35.29d0c241.2a670cba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<The first stage penicillin reaction is the fine rash, I had
it too.
But that's just the sensitivity stage.

    Next time, watch out.  You may very well have an
anaphylactic reaction----hives, swelling--including major
swelling shut of the airway!----and extremely irregular
heart beat.
    In other words, you can be dead in 5 or 10 minutes, and it
won't be fun.>>
   

This happened to me as a young girl.  The first time I had penicillin, I got the rash -- but my mother thought it was a fever/heat rash.  The second time I had it I apparently got rushed to the ER.  I've had some other rather deadly allergic reactions in my lifetime -- especially to perfumes -- so I'm kinda chicken to press my luck with something that gives me a rash the first time.  Hence my fabric problem -- to get back on topic...  If I know American linens give me hives every time I wear them, I'm a bit timid about trying some labeled "organic Irish."  I mean, what if it is not the American processing?  What if our own over-processing is the only thing keeping me from a more deadly reaction?

--Gillian --part1_35.29d0c241.2a670cba_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 14:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06709 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:57:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HIgNE06442; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIgMN06649; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:42:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx09.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx09.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIH1N23004 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by mx09.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 41671970 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:16:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00c201c22dbe$0b342c80$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <179.b6b08af.2a6701bb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shop and home economics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:16:16 -0500 Status: RO > > Can everybody add their own experiences? I'd be curious to see how many of > us are still exposed to sewing in school, and how that may be affecting the > declining home sewing industry... > > --Gillian the seamstress > Well, when I was in jr. high (1984-85) we had 1 semester of Home Ec and 1 of Shop. Each semester was cut into 2 quarters. When in HomeEc, I got a quarter of cooking, which was rather fun and somewhat useful. It was after that that I think Mom started to let me help in the kitchen. The other quarter was sewing. I distinctly remember having to sew a pillow in the shape of a letter (I picked K to give to my sister, whose birthday was coming up, I think). I'm pretty certain we had to learn other stuff, but I can only really remember the pillow. However, the summer before starting high school, my mother passed by a local fabric shop in the mall where my dad's shop was and saw a schoolmate of mine learning to sew from the manager there. The deal was she could use the machines in the shop if she bought what she needed there. (The manager was a family friend of hers, I think). Mom asked if I could get the same deal, so I spent a few days a week in the fabric store picking out patterns and fabric and learning how to sew! That was much more useful than the pillow. After that I really didn't do much sewing until I started college. I can remember the surprise in my mother's voice when I asked for a sewing machine for Christmas :-) Now the majority of my sewing is historical - there's no time to make mundane clothes! ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:01:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06742 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:01:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HIl6E06931; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIl5N09517; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f218.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.218]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIbIN04068 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:37:13 -0700 Received: from 24.200.48.35 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:37:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.200.48.35] From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Costume Institute - Revolution in Fashion carefully desctibed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 18:37:13.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7F5FF60:01C22DC0] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:37:13 +0000 Status: RO I'll buy the book, whatever the language. I want the IMAGES. The text I'll photocopy from the copy I got in the library, if I must. The really, really important thing is the images. Although it is good to know which parts of the costumes are originals and which parts are reproductions (a lot of the shoes are reproductions, for example, and so are most of the gloves). >So - the pictures are worth a thousand words but the words aren't too bad >either. I would probably buy the book in Japanese if I didn't already have >it in English, then I would check out a copy from the library and read the >English parts, make notes on the interesting stuff and keep the notes with >the Japanese copy. But, I have already done that with numerous non-english >fashion books that are "photo heavy" - if that is your style, then you must >get this book. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:14:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06813 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:14:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HJ06E08161; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HJ04N16973; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIp7N11869 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:51:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UttC-0005hd-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:51:07 +0100 Message-ID: <6eygcqC+sbN9IwLg@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing in UK(WAS: different velvets) References: <200207161801.g6GI1xN11514@net.indra.com> <1DF5BC77D47@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1DF5BC77D47@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:45:18 +0100 Status: RO Teddy wrote >> and they would make something for the same purpose in their own way >> - I make a bag, they make a box. But sewing takes less cleaning up >> after! > > Jean, it's obvious that you have never seen me sewing > >Teddy Not unless your sewing propels dust into every part of the house like power sanding does! -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:23:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06882 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:23:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HJ8ZE08894; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HJ8XN22236; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIpDN11908 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UttH-0005i0-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:51:12 +0100 Message-ID: <0OejYRCPsbN9IwKt@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: different velvets References: <200207171204.g6HC4VN27405@net.indra.com> <20020717133159.6946.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020717133159.6946.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:44:31 +0100 Status: RO Debbie Lough wrote >Quick note on velvet boards (which I'm pretty sure John Lewis sell).  >Obviously, they're used to avoid crushing the pile when pressing >velvets/velours/velveteens/anything else with a pile. > >My Nana (trained as a tailor in the 40s) taught me to use a big fluffy towel, >laid over the ironing board, (white or cream, to avoid problems with colour >bleed).  Provided the pile on the towel is deep enough, and the velvet is >pressed face down, it does the same job, in preventing the velvet pile from >being crushed. > >Debbie. > Quick and dirty version - another bit of velvet, especially that disgusting yellow shade of curtains you find in charity shops! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06886 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HJ8fE08911; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HJ8eN22337; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIpDN11907 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:51:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UttH-0005hz-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:51:11 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US, References: <002901c22d84$5bb4be20$01fea8c0@vaio> <20020717114532.5763.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020717114532.5763.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:42:35 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- Rowena wrote: > > >> As I teach Home Ec (now FaCs - Family & Consumer Skills) in Central New >> York, I know that all students in 6, 7, or 8th grades (about ages 11-13) >> must get in about 30 weeks of Home Ec, mandated by the state. > >If I may say so, I am amazed that something like this is taught in the US, as I >haven't come across anything like that in my German NorthRhine Westphalian 13 >years school career (graduated in 88 to go to Uni), because Home Ed was >regarded as being backwards and interfering or something like that. I guess >that was because Northrhine Westphalia was a very liberal left government and >it was/is totally uncool to teach something like that. *laughs* >I find it very fascinating to hear that these things are taught and that indeed >sewing is occasionally taught beyond primary school age. I remember we did a >bit of cord making and easy embroidery and things like that in primary school >(born in 69) for boys and girls, and fotball for boys and girls too. :-) We did a schools day at the recent event, and I was really surprised how interested the girls, particularly, were in my luceting. We pushed women's work quite a lot as important stuff that needs to be done, and the whole management aspect of being left to keep the manor while the men go off to war, but I was surprised how they gravitated to learn what we were doing. I don't think they do much real handwork in schools now - mostly consumer education and fashion type stuff. >I still wear big baggy shirts mostly to work from the re-enactor's market or >self made to work, mostly because I hate the clothes one can buy in England >(sorry, fellow UK'ers but the fashion in this country is appalling, ugly, >synthetic, stretchy skin tight stuff in horrid colours for skinny 14 year olds >*shudder* ;-) Let's see, is there anyone on this list, in the UK, who actually *likes* current fashion?? It's not the impression I've got from people. I find myself wishing I could wear Norman to work, but it might not give the best impression, as a civil servant! And then I wouldn't get promoted to a high enough salary to wear all the linen, wool and silk I covet :-) Jean >When I actually bought a frilly black shirt in Etam the other >week because it was cotton and marked down to 8 pounds my colleagues squealed >'Oh my god, she is wearing a shirt with BUTTONS!' >*grins* >you should hearthem screeching when I wore a bogstandard t-shirt underneath an >open baggy laced shirt... > >Nicole - with a cold at home and not wanting to sew because of feeling rotten. > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06890 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:23:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HJ8rE08953; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HJ8qN22479; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIqiN12724 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:52:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.215]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZE00B16PRVU4@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US 1 In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020717113427.00a8df00@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:45:33 -0700 Status: RO >But the very best thing is still if you can learn to sew from your mom :-) > > >>As I teach Home Ec (now FaCs - Family & Consumer Skills) in Central New >>York, I know that all students in 6, 7, or 8th grades (about ages 11-13) >>must get in about 30 weeks of Home Ec, mandated by the state. Neither one of my kids, here in California, had to take any Home Ec classes. One refused to learn to sew, preferring to wheedle me into doing it, and the other one bugging me to teach her to crochet, and 'next time I see you, lets sew some doll clothes'. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:23:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06895 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:23:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HJ8uE08972; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HJ8tN22515; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HIqjN12734 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:52:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([67.116.236.215]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GZE00B16PRVU4@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sewing, England vs US 2 In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020717114511.00c9dab0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:52:25 -0700 Status: RO >I came into the world during the age of equal oppertunity between >genders, which meant everyone had the pleasure of getting pelted in >dodge ball, beaned with a softball and generally ridiculed by other >students for not being sports inclined. Ah, love that gender equality >thing. I'm hearing that schools are starting to clue into the hell of >forced competitive sports in elementary schools and are starting to do >away with games like dodge ball (the bane of my childhood existence) >because they do more emotional damage than physical enhancement. And >speaking as someone who once was a very small, very thin little girl >who was more of a dreamer than a sports goddess, it's about damn time! Where I came into the (California) world before that time. My high school councillor told me I could do anything I wanted, as long as it wasn't wood shop, metal shop, or auto shop. We had the mandatory Home Ec classes, in junior high, where I wasn't allowed to sew as well as I knew how because it was in advance of what the rest of the class was doing. The boys couldn't take cooking or sewing at this time either. All I remember from the cooking unit was that once I had to figure out the cost of two stewed prunes to the nearest tenth of a cent. To this day I'm not much of a cook. But I sewed my first historical, hat, purse, and dress, in 1971. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Jul 17 15:29:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06919 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:28:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6HJECE09437; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6HJEBN25590; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web21309.mail.yahoo.com (web21309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.254]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g6HJ4BN19563 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020717190410.37216.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.209.58.190] by web21309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:04:10 PDT From: kj green Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT-looking for a book--Help! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Thank you for the information! I have some other questions: Do you remember if there was a house associated with the show? Or, who managed/directed the show? Was it School of History at Heidelberg or School of Art? Were there paperbacks? Any help would be most appreciated! kate --- Wanda Pease wrote: > If the is the pair of books I have it was published > as a catalogue for an > exhibition in Heidelberg back in 1989. This may be > why there is no ISBN > number. There weren't many copies > printed, but it does have some lovely pictures. > > Regina Romsey > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > I've searched the database available to us, but no > luck. > > > > Kate Bunting > > Library, University of Derby > > > > >>> macailith@yahoo.com 07/17/02 02:10am >>> > > Greetings to the list. > > > > I'm looking for a book(s) published in 1989 by > > Marshall Cavendish Ltd called "Die Renaissance." > It's > > at least a 2 volume set (a friend has volume 2). > > There's no ISBN and no editor listed. > > > > It's in German, but I suspect it was published in > > London. I happened across another book published > by > > Marshall Cavendish Ltd and the city listed was > London. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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