From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 03:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA02377 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g717EUE19160; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g717CHn22662; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g717BMn22492 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:11:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801071119.DHHH13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:11:19 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3D48ED2A.27008.23115C@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [h-cost] How to browse archives? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:11:22 +0100 Status: RO Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other interesting places, have turned mail from this list back on, and now want to browse throught he archives for the last two weeks to see what I've missed. Only I can't figure out how. I can see a search engine, but without knowing what topics to search for, it isn't going to help me. No Browse facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to download a complete year's worth of info, which would do, but 2002 isn't one of the years on offer. Help? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 03:32:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11088 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:32:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g717LNE19525; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g717LMn24145; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:21:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g717Cvn22834 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020801071232.85831.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:12:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Agnes G wrote: > Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? > I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on > garments in the V&A and other museums. I have the pattern (and no, sadly, the dress isn't even a twinkle in my eye yet) and have read through all the pattern info, looked at closely etc. It is a beautiful gown! One day I'll make it, I can jst see it as a stunning wedding gown indeed. Highly recommendable pattern from what I ahve seen and also from what I have read on the GBCGA Graet Pattern review. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 06:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29322 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:20:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g719q6E25637; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:52:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g719q2n28390; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:52:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g719pvn28370 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KKS4GQ32ZK0027NX@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:51:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KKS4GN2CPA001RGO@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:51:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:47:23 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:56 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.74) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant In-reply-to: <200207311801.g6VI1gn23116@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <34271701AA7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Thanks Teddy for taking the time to look at them and write a > recommendation :-) You're welcome. > Absolutely, they don't BS you, and their glassware is really > superb, the best I know of and I know pretty much all of the > glassware traders here in the UK. The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to London. They're beautiful, hold a lot and we figure that surviving the tender treatment of the postal services on the journey form the US to England means they can cope with being transported to and from events in our bottle-carrier. Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely broken. > > The 1640 doublet came out a bit small - but I skipped making a > > fitting mock-up so that could be my problem rather than the pattern. > > I shall not attempt ever to not make a mock-up, ben is so muscular in > the shoulders and arms that nothing ever fits anyway. I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right size for that one unaltered) > I skipped the cassock because I'll use norah Waugh's one, I think they're pretty much the same (as is the 1620 to 25 one, I think) > If I make something of it I'll remember to send the info and pic to > the Great pattern review. > Hmm.. jus a thought, should I send the info of the Noragh waugh > coat too? I don't see why not Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 08:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29725 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:40:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71CS6E06260; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71CS4n15751; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g71CQpn15462 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020801122650.51705.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:26:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <34271701AA7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that > survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to > London. > Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely > broken. we always take lots and lots of glasware with us. what I do is most of them have their own individual boxes I purchased them in, and inside they are wrapped in tissue paper. Those which don't have boxes are thickly wrapped inside and out. All of the boxed ones and the unboxed ones live and are transported in sturdy plastic folding boxes. so far, knock on wood, no problems for yars. (famous last words...) > I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that > came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right > size for that one unaltered) as if you'd ever not be in a hurry dear! *L* Next small thing to make is an embroidered night cap for ben. i got embroidered linen fabric (an actual embroidery from ebay, silk on linen) and will cut it up and make the cap and then adorn the seams with a very lovely narrow gold lace, from ebay too. :-) I just finished sewing on the doubled gold brush fringe onto ben's kid leather gloves. after all, an officer should have those. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 09:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30162 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:50:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71DdOE10057; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71DdMn07561; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:39:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Da1n06375 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 07:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23213 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? In-Reply-To: <3D48ED2A.27008.23115C@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other interesting places, > have turned mail from this list back on, and now want to browse > throught he archives for the last two weeks to see what I've missed. > Only I can't figure out how. I can see a search engine, but without > knowing what topics to search for, it isn't going to help me. No > Browse facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to > download a complete year's worth of info, which would do, but 2002 > isn't one of the years on offer. Help? The database isn't set up to browse. (Another item for the wish list if someone capable wants to make "better archives" a project.) However, you can do a reasonable job of it with a little ingenuity. Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) I post frequently and save a lot of my posts, so I can pick a subject line from the desired month, search on that, and call up the right month's worth of archive. (2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) Or just call up any month, from any search, and adjust the URL for the year and month you want. July 2002 will be here: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl But it's not there yet! The annoyance of this system is that you have to wait till a month is completed before you can browse it, or before you can read any of the posts from that month. You are lucky, in that the July posts should be up any minute now. (I don't know if Eric does these automatically or manually.) But if it's mid-month, and you want to see last week's posts, you'll have to wait. We really really need a standard searchable, browseable, dated, unedited archive. Surely with all the computer expertise on this list, there's someone who has the space, and someone who has the ability? The files do exist -- I've heard from several people who have copies of them. It's getting them online in a suitable form that's the problem. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 10:23:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30406 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71ECAE13171; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EC8n20921; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71E65n18261 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:06:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A0851E25A2; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:06:01 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020801140601.4A0851E25A2@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:06:01 BST Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote : > Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, > you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the > subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on > that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll > get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) About 3 seconds on this machine, fortunately. (Yes, I was serious about being happy to download the complete year). > (2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) For searching, yes: I was looking for it in the "complete year" list. > July 2002 will be here: > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl Exactly what I needed: thanks. It's not there yet, as you say, but I'm sure I can last a few days. Now you explain the system, it all makes perfect sense. > But if it's mid-month, and you want to see > last week's posts, you'll have to wait. Next time I go on holiday, I think I'll leave this list sending me messages :( _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 10:54:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30590 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71EgCE15881; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EgAn05244; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:42:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host11.avidhosting.com (host11.avidhosting.com [209.239.33.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EbAn02851 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip27.access-one.com [198.247.160.27]) by host11.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g71Eb4G00611 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c23968$9d833940$1ba0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:34:57 -0500 Status: RO I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? And how "reform" do you want it. Though I imagine a teagown will be as close in style to a wedding gown as you will find. Have you seen the one on www.antiquedress.com - it looks like it could have been made right of a 1893 Butterick teagown pattern. Marna Jean Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era Online Classes in History and Period Sewing -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-request@indra.com To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1132 - 15 msgs >Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-admin@mail.indra.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1128 - 12 msgs (kat@grendal.rain.com) > 2. Re: Re: shirt ties/aiglets; length of fingerloop braids (kat@grendal.rain.com) > 3. Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period (Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) > 4. Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? (vze2brpf@verizon.net) > 5. Re: Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period (Robin Netherton) > 6. RE: Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period (Martha Kelly) > 7. Reform or Aesthetic Dress (Agnes G) > 8. RE: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? (Wanda Pease) > 9. Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? (Margo Anderson) > 10. How to browse archives? (Jane Williams) > 11. Re: Reform or Aesthetic Dress (=?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?=) > 12. Re: English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant (Teddy) > 13. Re: English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant (=?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?=) > 14. Re: How to browse archives? (Robin Netherton) > 15. Re: How to browse archives? (jane@williams.nildram.co.uk) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:31:36 -0700 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1128 - 12 msgs >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >There is also the issue of muscle strength and >> >concentration on spreading the bows, especially at the >> >beginning of the braid. If you are maxing out the >> >length of the loops for one person to manipulate alone >> >(probably approaching 2 feet), you need to tirelessly >> >extend your arms out in a "fly" movement (term from >> >the gym). It's not only important to move the loops >> >correctly from finger to finger for each step, but to >> >properly pull on them with steady tension and >> >spreading. If you don't have someone to beat it down, >> >you're entirely reliant on the spreading of the loops >> >after each movement. This can build some serious >> >muscle! >> >I find that if I pay careful attention to tension and >> >spreading the bows/loops, I get a rather >> >even-tensioned, consistent braid. My posterior >> >deltoids protest a bit, though. >> > >> >Tasha >> > >> Hey! Costuming as exercise, I like it! However, I think I would have >> to find a way of jumping up and down at the same time, or my posterior >> something else will spread to make up for it :-) >> >> Jean > >I still remember watching Colleen/Cainder (as her beater) when she >was doing a really long couple of pieces of fingerloop braid. >However, it wasn't her deltoids she complained about after. Rather >it was her leg muscles from the lunges when she would do the >bow. We figured out that the rhythm which seemed to work best >was to a Strauss waltz! > > >Kat Russell > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: kat@grendal.rain.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:31:36 -0700 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: shirt ties/aiglets; length of fingerloop braids >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >Hmmmm. Well, I can testify -- as a sometime other half of Heather's >> >fingerloop-with-beating team -- that as far as I can tell, you get >> >very little variation in tension if you have one person braiding >> >while the person at the other end beats it down tight. I think we've >> >produced a couple of six-foot-or-so braids, which means we started >> >out with about eight feet of thread between us. (Better think of >> >something interesting to talk about, though, 'cause it takes awhile.) >> > >> This is, of course, the other problem - once you've started, you can't >> put it down. Has anyone found a way of leaving it, hanging it up or >> pegging it on something? >> >> Jean > > >When I was first practicing on fingerloop braiding (before I got faster >at it), I was in the car as a passenger on the way home from >Estrella War (a 2 day drive for us, even driving through the first >night). If we had a stop (which was required and couldn't be >coordinated with my loops being finished), I carefully pinned them >to a pillow, then made sure that I picked up the loops the same >way I put them down. It seemed to work very well. Then later, when >I started doing really long loops using fine silk thread and couldn't >wait a minute longer, I did the same. It seemed to work fairly well. >Of course, I couldn't leave them for very long (like overnight) but >then, I have 3 very curious string loving cats. ;) > > >Kat Russell > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:30:52 -0700 >To: h-costume@indra.com >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Subject: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks ago >and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, sorry, >doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. If that's >what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, but I don't >want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. > >So what do I do now? > >By the way, has anyone had any progress with getting the Revolution In >Fashion book from the Kyoto Costume Institute? > >Julie > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: >To: h-costume@indra.com, >Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:31:06 -0500 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >> I believe your aunt's story. I know Bernina still makes treadle machines >> for sale in "developing" nations. Of course, they are purely mechanical, >> not computerized machines. > > Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in the Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather expensive. My 1916 White was a quarter of the price and has a much nicer cabinet. Singer probably is the best way to go however if you intend to use an antique. Parts are far easier to come by. (Luckily the Singer belts fit the white!). > >Cheers, >Ron > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >> Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks >> ago and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, >> sorry, doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. >> If that's what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, >> but I don't want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. > >I saw it, but didn't answer because I had no answer. I wouldn't take the >lack of response personally. I don't generally post a "Sorry, I don't >know" message to questions that are outside my area, or I'd be filling >people's mailboxes every day with "Sorry, I don't know." I think people >would get heartily annoyed with me ;-) If people don't answer, you can bet >that the ones reading at the time just didn't know. And when that happens, >I don't think anyone minds if you try again some time later, when maybe >you get a different mix of readers. > >I don't know what your specific question was, but I do know that all I >know about this fashion movement is what's in Stella Mary Newton's book. >Perhaps there will be leads for you in there, but I figure anyone >interested in the Aesthetic movement probably has the obvious sources >already! > >(The period is recent enough that you might find some microfilmed or >archived fashion magazines in a good library. Or at a place like FIT if >you're in NYC.) > >--Robin > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >From: "Martha Kelly" >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:21:34 -0300 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >By the way, has anyone had any progress with getting the Revolution In >Fashion book from the Kyoto Costume Institute? > >Julie > > > >Dear Julie > >I ordered the Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto through their web site and >it's now sitting happily on my shelf. I was especially pleased to see that >it's all in English, since my other two Kyoto books are mostly Japanese. It >came to me via an expediter in California who billed me and accepted my >check. What a lovely book! > >Martha > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:47 -0700 >From: Agnes G >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >garments in the V&A and other museums. > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 8 >From: "Wanda Pease" >To: >Subject: RE: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:06:11 -0700 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >The new one seems to have all the plates, 137 or so. Info: Codes Manesse: >Die Miniaturen der Grossen Heidelberger Liederhandschrift > >Herausgegeben und erlaeutert von Ingo F. Walther unter Mitarbeit von Gisela >Siebert Insel > >Sechste Auflage 2001 copyright Insel Verlag Frankfurt am Main 1988, Alle >Rechte vorbehalten, Druck: Aprinta, Wemding Printed in Germany. I paid $30 >for it when I picked it up from Master Terafan Gredragon while visiting him >in Stuttgart. > >Try this link > >http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/ref=sr_sp_go_qs/302-545 3 >223-3768035 > >The book pictured is the one I have and it is hard bound, and full "book" >size. > >Regina Romsey > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On >Behalf Of leigh tartaglio >Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:47 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval >cross-dressing? > > >Hi. I only have the copy printed in 1953, which only has eighteen plates. If >the >new one has more illos, I am interested. Could you post the info, please? >Mike >T. > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:03:53 -0700 >To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com, >From: Margo Anderson >Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> >> Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in the >Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather expensive. > >If these are the ones that look just like an antique treadle machine, watch >out! I was selling Singers at the time, about ten years ago, that the >replica" treadle models were being introduced. My sales manager told me >that they were being made with the lowest quality parts and engineering, as >they were aimed at the "country decorating" crowd, with the expectation >that they would only occasionally be sewn on. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > >See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 10 >From: "Jane Williams" >To: h-costume@indra.com >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:11:22 +0100 >Subject: [h-cost] How to browse archives? >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other >interesting places, have turned mail from this list >back on, and now want to browse throught he >archives for the last two weeks to see what I've >missed. Only I can't figure out how. I can see a >search engine, but without knowing what topics to >search for, it isn't going to help me. No Browse >facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to >download a complete year's worth of info, which >would do, but 2002 isn't one of the years on offer. >Help? > > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 11 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:12:32 +0100 (BST) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >To: h-costume@indra.com >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > --- Agnes G wrote: > Have you looked at the La Mode >Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >> I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >> garments in the V&A and other museums. > >I have the pattern (and no, sadly, the dress isn't even a twinkle in my eye >yet) and have read through all the pattern info, looked at closely etc. It is a >beautiful gown! One day I'll make it, I can jst see it as a stunning wedding >gown indeed. Highly recommendable pattern from what I ahve seen and also from >what I have read on the GBCGA Graet Pattern review. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 12 >Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 10:46:50 +0000 (GMT) >From: Teddy >Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant >To: h-costume@indra.com >Organization: Middlesex University >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >> Thanks Teddy for taking the time to look at them and write a >> recommendation :-) > >You're welcome. > >> Absolutely, they don't BS you, and their glassware is really >> superb, the best I know of and I know pretty much all of the >> glassware traders here in the UK. > >The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that >survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to >London. They're beautiful, hold a lot and we figure that surviving >the tender treatment of the postal services on the journey form the >US to England means they can cope with being transported to and >from events in our bottle-carrier. > >Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely >broken. > >> > The 1640 doublet came out a bit small - but I skipped making a >> > fitting mock-up so that could be my problem rather than the pattern. >> >> I shall not attempt ever to not make a mock-up, ben is so muscular in >> the shoulders and arms that nothing ever fits anyway. > >I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that >came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right >size for that one unaltered) > >> I skipped the cassock because I'll use norah Waugh's one, > >I think they're pretty much the same (as is the 1620 to 25 one, I >think) > >> If I make something of it I'll remember to send the info and pic to >> the Great pattern review. > >> Hmm.. jus a thought, should I send the info of the Noragh waugh >> coat too? > >I don't see why not > > >Teddy > >--__--__-- > >Message: 13 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:26:50 +0100 (BST) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= >Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant >To: h-costume@indra.com >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > --- Teddy wrote: > > >> The only glasswear we have at events is the two goblets that >> survived in the post when Karen sent them from Chicago to >> London. > >> Any other glass items we've tried using have ended up severely >> broken. > >we always take lots and lots of glasware with us. what I do is most of them >have their own individual boxes I purchased them in, and inside they are >wrapped in tissue paper. Those which don't have boxes are thickly wrapped >inside and out. All of the boxed ones and the unboxed ones live and are >transported in sturdy plastic folding boxes. so far, knock on wood, no problems >for yars. (famous last words...) > >> I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that >> came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right >> size for that one unaltered) > >as if you'd ever not be in a hurry dear! *L* > >Next small thing to make is an embroidered night cap for ben. i got embroidered >linen fabric (an actual embroidery from ebay, silk on linen) and will cut it up >and make the cap and then adorn the seams with a very lovely narrow gold lace, >from ebay too. :-) >I just finished sewing on the doubled gold brush fringe onto ben's kid leather >gloves. after all, an officer should have those. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >--__--__-- > >Message: 14 >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:37:07 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Jane Williams wrote: > >> Well, I'm back from Germany, Austria, and other interesting places, >> have turned mail from this list back on, and now want to browse >> throught he archives for the last two weeks to see what I've missed. >> Only I can't figure out how. I can see a search engine, but without >> knowing what topics to search for, it isn't going to help me. No >> Browse facility, as far as I can see. There's the opportunity to >> download a complete year's worth of info, which would do, but 2002 >> isn't one of the years on offer. Help? > >The database isn't set up to browse. (Another item for the wish list if >someone capable wants to make "better archives" a project.) However, you >can do a reasonable job of it with a little ingenuity. > >Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, >you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the >subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on >that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll >get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) > >I post frequently and save a lot of my posts, so I can pick a subject line >from the desired month, search on that, and call up the right month's >worth of archive. > >(2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) > >Or just call up any month, from any search, and adjust the URL for the >year and month you want. July 2002 will be here: > >http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl > >But it's not there yet! The annoyance of this system is that you have to >wait till a month is completed before you can browse it, or before you can >read any of the posts from that month. You are lucky, in that the July >posts should be up any minute now. (I don't know if Eric does these >automatically or manually.) But if it's mid-month, and you want to see >last week's posts, you'll have to wait. > >We really really need a standard searchable, browseable, dated, unedited >archive. Surely with all the computer expertise on this list, there's >someone who has the space, and someone who has the ability? The files do >exist -- I've heard from several people who have copies of them. It's >getting them online in a suitable form that's the problem. > >--Robin > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 15 >To: >Subject: Re: [h-cost] How to browse archives? >From: >Cc: >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:06:01 BST >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Robin Netherton wrote : >> Eric has the posts set up by month. If you search for a specific post, >> you'll see, in your search results, that each post has a link under the >> subject name, a link for the author name, and an "archive" to click on >> that says something like "hcos01/hcos02.cl". Click that last, and you'll >> get a whole month's worth. (And it can take some time to download!) > >About 3 seconds on this machine, fortunately. (Yes, I was serious about being happy to download the complete year). > >> (2002 is indeed on the pull-down menu of options -- it's near the top.) > >For searching, yes: I was looking for it in the "complete year" list. > >> July 2002 will be here: >> http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos02/hcos07.cl > >Exactly what I needed: thanks. It's not there yet, as you say, but I'm sure I can last a few days. Now you explain the system, it all makes perfect sense. > >> But if it's mid-month, and you want to see >> last week's posts, you'll have to wait. > >Next time I go on holiday, I think I'll leave this list sending me messages :( > > > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >End of h-costume Digest > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 11:01:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30639 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:01:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71EnOE16653; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71EnNn08860; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Ejxn07321 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A9D83B0472; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 Status: RO might this be some help? http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/image_exhibition/tea2.htm or for more info http://www.fashion-era.com/aesthetics.htm -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Agnes G Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:38 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on garments in the V&A and other museums. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 12:35:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31370 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71GMDE27058; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GMBe02945; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GHKe00137 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801161713.RIHL11089.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:17:13 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period In-Reply-To: <200208011414.g71EEbn22026@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:13:46 -0700 Status: RO Thanks. Well, I guess from the lack of response that no one has ever seen this picture. I know it's an extremely specific request, and it was a highly remote chance that anyone =had= ever seen it, but I thought I'd try. And yes, I've seen the La Mode Bagatelle pattern - it's gorgeous, but not what I'm looking for. It's this specific dress that I described in my first post that I'm searching for (the picture, that is). I fell inlove with it over 20 years ago, but like an idiot didn't buy the book (starving student, y'know). I didn't even make a note of the name of the book or author, for which stupidity I have no excuse. My sewing skills are so much better now than they were then that I'd like to attempt to recreate this dress, but I don't want to rely on just my memory. Robin - I'm not familiar with the book you recommended. Could you give me the title? Do you know where I'd find it? Thanks again, Julie >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > >On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > > Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks > > ago and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, > > sorry, doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. > > If that's what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, > > but I don't want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. > >I saw it, but didn't answer because I had no answer. I wouldn't take the >lack of response personally. I don't generally post a "Sorry, I don't >know" message to questions that are outside my area, or I'd be filling >people's mailboxes every day with "Sorry, I don't know." I think people >would get heartily annoyed with me ;-) If people don't answer, you can bet >that the ones reading at the time just didn't know. And when that happens, >I don't think anyone minds if you try again some time later, when maybe >you get a different mix of readers. > >I don't know what your specific question was, but I do know that all I >know about this fashion movement is what's in Stella Mary Newton's book. >Perhaps there will be leads for you in there, but I figure anyone >interested in the Aesthetic movement probably has the obvious sources >already! > >(The period is recent enough that you might find some microfilmed or >archived fashion magazines in a good library. Or at a place like FIT if >you're in NYC.) > >--Robin > > >Message: 7 >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:47 -0700 >From: Agnes G >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >garments in the V&A and other museums. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 12:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31374 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:35:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71GMgE27128; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GMbe03228; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GHRe00242 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801161721.RIJV11089.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:17:21 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801091352.00a3dec0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208011414.g71EEbn22026@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Revolution In Fashion from Kyoto Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:16:22 -0700 Status: RO Yay!! Oh, that's great news! It seemed at first that no one was getting any response from the Kyoto museum and I felt really bad like I'd given bad information or something, but it looks like things are moving now! Julie >Message: 6 >From: "Martha Kelly" >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:21:34 -0300 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >By the way, has anyone had any progress with getting the Revolution In >Fashion book from the Kyoto Costume Institute? > >Julie > > > >Dear Julie > >I ordered the Revolution in Fashion from Kyoto through their web site and >it's now sitting happily on my shelf. I was especially pleased to see that >it's all in English, since my other two Kyoto books are mostly Japanese. It >came to me via an expediter in California who billed me and accepted my >check. What a lovely book! > >Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 14:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32136 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:52:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71IehE12381; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Iege25300; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71IaMe22821 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25065 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:37:29 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Robin - I'm not familiar with the book you recommended. Could you give > me the title? Do you know where I'd find it? I believe it is called "Dress Reformers," by Stella Mary Newton. You might also look for "Dress Revivals" by Baines (I forget the first name), which describes the Victorian "historical" costumes, but I don't know whether it focuses on aesthetic/progressive style on its own. For both, try a good university library, and then interlibrary loan. Who knows -- maybe one of these is the book you wanted! I had forgotten the specific question in your original post, and your repost didn't mention that you were chasing down a specific picture (as opposed to just wanting information on aesthetic-style wedding dresses). I gather now that you saw an image somewhere and can't find it now. Boy, I know that feeling. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 16:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32555 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:17:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71IYIE11727; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:34:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71IY4e21490; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71IU5e19245 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 12:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.12.181] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 120912118 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:30:04 -0500 Message-ID: <022f01c23988$de6e47e0$b50c8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:25:52 -0500 Status: RO > I didn't even make a note of the name of the book or author, for > which stupidity I have no excuse. My sewing skills are so much better now > than they were then that I'd like to attempt to recreate this dress, but I > don't want to rely on just my memory. If you rely on your memory the dress will be exactly as you remember it. Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:01:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00315 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:01:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71KoGE25339; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71KoDG12192; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71KkZG10089 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:46:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801204628.ZDDA8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:46:28 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801133723.00a38cd0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208011624.g71GOke04556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or Progressive/Aesthetic period Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:41:22 -0700 Status: RO OK, let me repost the critical part of my original post: I'm looking for a photo of a wedding dress I saw in a costume book over 20 years ago. The dress (not the book) was from around 1880 or 1890, and was an example of an alternate style of design - one of the revisionist schools of design that kept appearing during the 19th century. I =think= it was called Progressive, but I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it might be Revisionist or Aesthetic style. The dress was very simple, loose and flowing from a rather boat-shaped gathered neckline, with bell-like sleeves. There was a definite Grecian suggestion in the overall design. There was a band of several rows of beadwork that circled the neckline, then at the back of the neck the beadwork turned and went down either side of the back closure, and at the waist turned towards the front and wrapped around somewhat like a medieval girdle (only much wider), to pull the dress in at the waist and provide some accent and contrast. There were matching rows of beadwork at the ends of the sleeves as well. Also maybe at the hem, but I'm not sure I remember seeing it in a book in the bookstore of the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco over 20 years ago. I did not buy the book and I've regretted it ever since. And no, I have absolutely no recollection of what that book was. If anyone recognizes this description and could help me track down a photo of this dress, or the book its in, or another source for the dress altogether, I'd be very grateful. ------------------------------------------------------ So you see I'm looking for a very specific dress/picture, not a general style. Thanks, Julie >Message: 1 >From: "Marna Jean" >To: >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:34:57 -0500 >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. >Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a >lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? >And how "reform" do you want it. Though I imagine a teagown will be as close >in style to a wedding gown as you will find. Have you seen the one on >www.antiquedress.com - it looks like it could have been made right of a 1893 >Butterick teagown pattern. >Marna Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:04:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00328 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:04:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71Kr7E25664; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71Kr6G13942; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71KkgG10156 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.99]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020801204636.ZDFB8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:46:36 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801134300.00a388c0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208011624.g71GOke04556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1133 - 4 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:46:09 -0700 Status: RO Betsy - Thank you, but yes, I've been to both those sites and wasn't able to find the dress I'm looking for. In addition, I emailed the curator of the exhibit at Ohio State University nearly a year ago asking my question, but I never received a reply. Thanks, Julie >Message: 2 >From: "Betsy Marshall" >To: >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > >might this be some help? > >http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/image_exhibition/tea2.htm > >or for more info > >http://www.fashion-era.com/aesthetics.htm > >-----Original Message----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00451 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71L4VE26656; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:04:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71L4TG20887; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71L2IG19480 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-83.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.83]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g71L2Ha104634 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:02:17 -0400 Message-ID: <014201c2399e$bb16e110$532daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801134300.00a388c0@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dress seen in DeYoung Cat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:02:21 -0700 Status: RO The De Young museum has a searchable index for almost 85 thousand images. Have you tried that? If it was at the De Young originally, it may still be in their collection. The url is below. http://www.thinker.org/fam/index_thinker.asp angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "O! Swear not by the moon, the inconstant moon, That monthly changes in her circled orb, Lest that thy love prove likewise variable." Romeo & Juliet, II, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1133 - 4 msgs > Betsy - > > Thank you, but yes, I've been to both those sites and wasn't able to find > the dress I'm looking for. In addition, I emailed the curator of the > exhibit at Ohio State University nearly a year ago asking my question, but > I never received a reply. > > Thanks, > Julie > > > >Message: 2 > >From: "Betsy Marshall" > >To: > >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress > >Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:46:48 -0500 > >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >might this be some help? > > > >http://costume.osu.edu/Reforming_Fashion/image_exhibition/tea2.htm > > > >or for more info > > > >http://www.fashion-era.com/aesthetics.htm > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00487 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:23:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71LCPE27292; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LCNG25698; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71L7jG23016 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:07:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay02.mac.com (smtp-relay02-en1 [10.13.10.225]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g71L7agS012533 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g71KvhZH024634 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H06NK600.KG9 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:57:42 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090408.00a39dc0@postoffice.att.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:58:20 -0700 Status: RO I don't recall reading your original post. I just tried to look for it in the archive but it doesn't show up yet - perhaps you could re-post the dress description you saw. I think perhaps we didn't all get your original message. > From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:13:46 -0700 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re:[h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period > > Thanks. Well, I guess from the lack of response that no one has ever seen > this picture. I know it's an extremely specific request, and it was a > highly remote chance that anyone =had= ever seen it, but I thought I'd try. > > And yes, I've seen the La Mode Bagatelle pattern - it's gorgeous, but not > what I'm looking for. It's this specific dress that I described in my first > post that I'm searching for (the picture, that is). I fell inlove with it > over 20 years ago, but like an idiot didn't buy the book (starving student, > y'know). I didn't even make a note of the name of the book or author, for > which stupidity I have no excuse. My sewing skills are so much better now > than they were then that I'd like to attempt to recreate this dress, but I > don't want to rely on just my memory. > > Robin - I'm not familiar with the book you recommended. Could you give me > the title? Do you know where I'd find it? > > Thanks again, > Julie > >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT) >> From: Robin Netherton >> To: h-costume@indra.com >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period >> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> >>> Um, I posted a question with this same subject header about two weeks >>> ago and, well, I never got any replies. Not even one that said "nope, >>> sorry, doesn't ring any bells". I'm wondering if it never got posted. >>> If that's what happened, or if it got missed somehow, I'll repost it, >>> but I don't want to do that if it was seen but basically ignored. >> >> I saw it, but didn't answer because I had no answer. I wouldn't take the >> lack of response personally. I don't generally post a "Sorry, I don't >> know" message to questions that are outside my area, or I'd be filling >> people's mailboxes every day with "Sorry, I don't know." I think people >> would get heartily annoyed with me ;-) If people don't answer, you can bet >> that the ones reading at the time just didn't know. And when that happens, >> I don't think anyone minds if you try again some time later, when maybe >> you get a different mix of readers. >> >> I don't know what your specific question was, but I do know that all I >> know about this fashion movement is what's in Stella Mary Newton's book. >> Perhaps there will be leads for you in there, but I figure anyone >> interested in the Aesthetic movement probably has the obvious sources >> already! >> >> (The period is recent enough that you might find some microfilmed or >> archived fashion magazines in a good library. Or at a place like FIT if >> you're in NYC.) >> >> --Robin >> >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:37:47 -0700 >> From: Agnes G >> To: >> Subject: [h-cost] Reform or Aesthetic Dress >> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> Have you looked at the La Mode Bagatelle Aesthetic Reform Tea Gown Pattern? >> I know some people have used it as a wedding dress. It's based roughly on >> garments in the V&A and other museums. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:29:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00511 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:29:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71LHBE27703; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LH8G28339; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LClG25890 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:12:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.53.1a558362 (3964) for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:12:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1a558362.2a7afe48@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:12:40 EDT Status: RO --part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/29/02 7:27:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes: > I've never heard of it, but there are folks out there that collect > sewing machines. I bet there is even a history on them lurking around. > I can't believe that you wouldn't be able to confirm it with Singer. > I have a Singer from the 20's that was able to be a treadle also. And yes I can believe that Singer would not be able to identify things because I have taken some of the, 4 boxes, of attachments into Singer trying to find out what they were or how they worked and was told they have no literature on them and no one there could identify them. One of the pieces I have does pintucks... I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was a seamstress. The one I have is supposed to be the top of the line when it was made. It has a beautiful inlaid table it is inset in. My mother wanted to sell it in the 60's to get a new one and was told by the Singer salesman that nothing they has was as well made as this one. It is great have used it to sew up to 6 layers of velvet and it will also sew leather. Osmondia --part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/29/02 7:27:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, saragrace@earthlink.net writes:


I've never heard of it, but there are folks out there that collect
sewing machines.  I bet there is even a history on them lurking around.
I can't believe that you wouldn't be able to confirm it with Singer.


I have a Singer from the 20's that was able to be a treadle also. 
And yes I can believe that Singer would not be able to identify things because I have taken some of the, 4 boxes, of attachments into Singer trying to find out what they were or how they worked and was told they have no literature on them and no one there could identify them.
One of the pieces I have does pintucks...
I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was a seamstress.  The one I have is supposed to be the top of the line when it was made.  It has a beautiful inlaid table it is inset in. 
My mother wanted to sell it in the 60's to get a new one and was told by the Singer salesman that nothing they has was as well made as this one.
It is great have used it to sew up to 6 layers of velvet and it will also sew leather.

Osmondia --part1_53.1a558362.2a7afe48_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 17:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00543 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71LRKE28595; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LRGG04461; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.97]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71LJPG29960 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay03.mac.com (smtp-relay03-en1 [10.13.10.222]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g71LJOK6006258 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay03.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g71LJOKN013673 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H06OKB00.GF7 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:19:23 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or Progressive/Aesthetic period From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801133723.00a38cd0@postoffice.att.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:20:02 -0700 Status: RO I will ask the La Mode Bagatelle folks if either of them remember seeing that image when they were researching the pattern - Susan Pasco has a pretty big costume book library and an amazing memory for details like this so she may have a clue. I will let you know if I get a response. In the mean time, to expedite your search, try to check out any library books you can get on the period - you might try books on Liberty's department store, too. They made a lot of the Reform gowns, and there are a few photo heavy books on the store. Can you remember if it was a book with mostly photos (like the Revolution in Fashion book) or if it was mostly text? That may help any of us who have a large book collection know which ones to look in. Between us all we may dig it up for you. Agnes > From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net > Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com > Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:41:22 -0700 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or > Progressive/Aesthetic period > > OK, let me repost the critical part of my original post: > > I'm looking for a photo of a wedding dress I saw in a costume book over 20 > years ago. The dress (not the book) was from around 1880 or 1890, and was > an example of an alternate style of design - one of the revisionist schools > of design that kept appearing during the 19th century. I =think= it was > called Progressive, but I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it might be > Revisionist or Aesthetic style. > > The dress was very simple, loose and flowing from a rather boat-shaped > gathered neckline, with bell-like sleeves. There was a definite Grecian > suggestion in the overall design. There was a band of several rows of > beadwork that circled the neckline, then at the back of the neck the > beadwork turned and went down either side of the back closure, and at the > waist turned towards the front and wrapped around somewhat like a medieval > girdle (only much wider), to pull the dress in at the waist and provide > some accent and contrast. There were matching rows of beadwork at the ends > of the sleeves as well. Also maybe at the hem, but I'm not sure > > I remember seeing it in a book in the bookstore of the DeYoung Museum in > San Francisco over 20 years ago. I did not buy the book and I've regretted > it ever since. And no, I have absolutely no recollection of what that book > was. If anyone recognizes this description and could help me track down a > photo of this dress, or the book its in, or another source for the dress > altogether, I'd be very grateful. > ------------------------------------------------------ > So you see I'm looking for a very specific dress/picture, not a general style. > > Thanks, > Julie > > >> Message: 1 >> From: "Marna Jean" >> To: >> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:34:57 -0500 >> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress >> Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. >> Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a >> lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? >> And how "reform" do you want it. Though I imagine a teagown will be as close >> in style to a wedding gown as you will find. Have you seen the one on >> www.antiquedress.com - it looks like it could have been made right of a 1893 >> Butterick teagown pattern. >> Marna Jean > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 20:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01146 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g71NpbE11306; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71NpSG17239; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:51:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net (infoblvd.net [216.42.64.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71NljG15871 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from infoblvd.net [216.42.122.247] by infoblvd.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAF0468B00FE; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:57:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3D49CB72.DEC91DE4@infoblvd.net> From: straight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? References: <53.1a558362.2a7afe48@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: straight@infoblvd.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 19:59:47 -0400 Status: RO Find a quilt shop, and buy (or cheat and read it there) the book on Singer Featherweights. In there is a reprint of the direction booklet for using all the attachments, complete with pictures. It's a smallish book. If you don't have a store, you can get it from a catalog or online, particularly from a company that specializes in quilt fabrics. There are ads in the back of sewing magazines too, of course. Diane S.----southwest NYS <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have a Singer from the 20's that was able to be a treadle also. And yes I can believe that Singer would not be able to identify things because I have taken some of the, 4 boxes, of attachments into Singer trying to find out what they were or how they worked and was told they have no literature on them and no one there could identify them. One of the pieces I have does pintucks... I inherited this from my Grandmother, who was a seamstress. The one I have is supposed to be the top of the line when it was made. It has a beautiful inlaid table it is inset in. My mother wanted to sell it in the 60's to get a new one and was told by the Singer salesman that nothing they has was as well made as this one. It is great have used it to sew up to 6 layers of velvet and it will also sew leather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 21:35:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01460 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:35:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g721OSE17366; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721OP223760; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721LN222781 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (unverified [68.48.165.178]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:00:02 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Jen To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D49CB72.DEC91DE4@infoblvd.net> Message-Id: <26FBE400-A5B6-11D6-92B6-000A27D5E8F4@netdefender.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [h-cost] New G Street Open Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:21:20 -0400 Status: RO Just wanted to let those in the Washington, DC/Northern VA area know that the G Street Fabrics at Potomac Mills Mall in Woodbridge, VA opened today. They're in part of the former Ikea location and appear to have everything the rest of the stores do, despite being in an outlet mall. --jen, who is beginning to fear for her bank account _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 1 21:59:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01578 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 21:59:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g721mPE18818; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721mO201164; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:48:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g721iK229805 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 19:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020802014415.JNMC23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:44:15 +0000 Message-ID: <3D49E3EA.8070502@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stamping fabric/warning References: <200207291348.AA35848440@caerthe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:44:10 -0700 Status: RO Thanks, Melanie, for the info. I haven't had the time to check out the stores yet. Hope to do that this weekend. Roscelin Melanie Unruh-Bays wrote: >I found lino blocks at a school-supply store this past weekend. If you can't get them at an art supply store, you might try there. They had a complete selection of supplies - handles, blades, brayers, and ink. After this fabric printing discussion, I was pretty happy to find them. I'm ready to experiment! > >Melanie > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 06:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11491 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:13:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72A1mE08272; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72A1d229554; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g729sf228208 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 03:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KKTITTQ2SW002J86@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:54:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KKTITD6O4W0029WI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:53:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:49:16 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.115) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:41 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant In-reply-to: <200208011414.g71EEgn22058@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <35A79C01370@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > we always take lots and lots of glasware with us. what I do is > most of them have their own individual boxes I purchased them in, > and inside they are wrapped in tissue paper. Those which don't have > boxes are thickly wrapped inside and out. All of the boxed ones and > the unboxed ones live and are transported in sturdy plastic folding > boxes. so far, knock on wood, no problems for yars. (famous last > words...) You obvioulsy don't have the famous Teddy Ability of pulling something *like a cloak or long robe) from the back of the car when you reach an event only to find that it has wound itself around 3 jugs and any piece of glasswear it can and immediately whips them out of the car and onto the ground at great speed. The first time it was a shock, the second it seemed like bad luck, after the third time it was taken to be a Sign.... > > I was in a real hurry (as I was when I made 1620 - 25 one, but that > > came out fine without a mock-up. I guess I just must be the right > > size for that one unaltered) > > as if you'd ever not be in a hurry dear! *L* Guilty as charged, Your Honor. > Next small thing to make is an embroidered night cap for ben. i > got embroidered linen fabric (an actual embroidery from ebay, silk > on linen) and will cut it up and make the cap and then adorn the > seams with a very lovely narrow gold lace, from ebay too. :-) I > just finished sewing on the doubled gold brush fringe onto ben's > kid leather gloves. after all, an officer should have those. Well, if I don't spot you in the crowd at Kirby, I can always follow Ben around until I see you. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 06:25:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11567 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72AE9E08605; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72AE8202330; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72A1J229485 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:01:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802100119.39102.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.45] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:01:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208011624.g71GOoe04591@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Reform dress Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:01:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list. >Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a >lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what? I must also have missed the original posting, (although I admit that when v. busy I do scan-read digests). But as I can't find any repetition anywhere of what you're actually looking for, am now completely confused! The wedding dress bit I get, and that you saw it in a book years ago, but are now trying to find a picture, I get, but what did it look like? Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 

>I either missed your post the first time or it was before I joined the list.
>Its in my period of study but not my focus, but I might be able to provide a
>lead or two- are you looking for a pattern, dress to study, diagram or what?

I must also have missed the original posting, (although I admit that when v. busy I do scan-read digests).

But as I can't find any repetition anywhere of what you're actually looking for, am now completely confused!  The wedding dress bit I get, and that you saw it in a book years ago, but are now trying to find a picture, I get, but what did it look like? 

Debbie.


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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-2143009564-1028282479=:38480-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 06:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11625 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72ATfE09029; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ATe205509; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72ACZ201980 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:12:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802101234.52225.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:12:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <35A79C01370@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:12:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > You obvioulsy don't have the famous Teddy Ability of pulling > something *like a cloak or long robe) from the back of the car when > you reach an event only to find that it has wound itself around 3 > jugs and any piece of glasswear it can and immediately whips > them out of the car and onto the ground at great speed. Oh no! That sounds terrible. It helps though when you go with a van fileld with the furniture and tents and a car(cars) filled with the soft kit. > The first time it was a shock, the second it seemed like bad luck, > after the third time it was taken to be a Sign.... *nods gravely* you are so right.... re patterns, I have Margo's pattern (of course, I love patterns, even if I don't necessarily use them *G*) and just discovered that her partlet pattern is still perfectly useable for 1660s working class/peasants, and her caul is lovely with some alterations to the band, as well as the round puch, I have paintings which show aslate as the 1660s the pouch being used by Dutch housewifes. Thanks Margo! :-) > Well, if I don't spot you in the crowd at Kirby, I can always follow > Ben around until I see you. Oh indeed, you can spot him miles away, he is so silver and glowing scarlet *LOL* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:35:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12935 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72EOTE19382; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EOQ207603; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (noaadc-msw03.noa.alcoa.com [147.154.9.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EIO205217 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from noaadc-mxi03.NOA.Alcoa.com (unverified) by NOAADC-MSW03.NOA.Alcoa.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:05 -0400 Received: by noaadc-mxi03.NOA.Alcoa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:18:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fairchild, Connie E." To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Subject: [h-cost] Vintage and Antique Sewing Machine and Attachment Information Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:17:59 -0400 Status: RO The link below is for the On-line Antique Sewing Machine Resource website which has links and information on various brands of sewing machines. The gentleman who created this page is a recognized authority and author on old sewing machines. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3081/#general ISMACS, the International Sewing Machine Collectors Society has a wonderful web site, the link is below. They have a page which has pictures of sewing machine attachments and how to use them. http://www.ismacs.net/index.html To purchase sewing machine operating, service manuals, and attachment instructions, you might like to view the following link. http://www.sew2go.com/manual.htm No affiliation with anyone, only a collector and admirer of old sewing machines. Connie E. Fairchild _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:40:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13009 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:40:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72ETQE19746; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ETQ209562; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ERG208707 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downstairs (ip091.vb.quik.com [216.176.5.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72ER8S7021524 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 07:27:13 -0700 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Message-ID: <000b01c23a30$98a0a020$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:26:29 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Baroness has been doing lucet for years. Here is a brief note from her. Anne -----Original Message----- From: Rowanwald Central [mailto:rowanwald@sybercom.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:35 AM To: ladyanne@quik.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date "1600" and "1600-50". Rosine Nobility depends not on parentage or place of birth, but on breadth of compassion and depth of loving-kindness. If we would be noble, let us be great-hearted. rowanwald@sybercom.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Moeller To: rowanwald@sybercom.net Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Do you have any comments, information or documentation about when and where lucets were used? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of freyalyn Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:11 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets >From my sources, I understand lucets to have been used to make ties and laces for all sorts of things from the Tenth century right up until the Nineteenth century. It was one of those crafts that disappeared without trace as soon as industrialisation started to produce cords and laces quickly and cheaply. _As far as I'm aware_, it's period for everything. Freyalyn, pretty certain but prepared to listen to a good argument..... _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters. >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. _____ Compu-Zoo of Virginia Beach, Inc... President.. fax 757-463-5904.. compuzoo@quik.com.. Gary F. Moeller.. tel 757-463-5607.. 845 Chimney Hill Shopping CenterVirginia Beach, VA 23452-3049.. .. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
My=20 Baroness has been doing lucet for years.  Here is a brief note from = her.  Anne
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowanwald Central=20 [mailto:rowanwald@sybercom.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, = 2002 5:35=20 AM
To: ladyanne@quik.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] = Authenticity=20 of Lucets

There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage = maintained by=20 Gunnora. They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the = northern=20 coast of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of = until the=20 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags embroidered in = tent=20 stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date "1600" and=20 "1600-50".
 
Rosine
Nobility depends not on parentage or place of birth,
but on = breadth of=20 compassion and depth of loving-kindness.
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Subject: FW: [h-cost] = Authenticity of=20 Lucets

Do=20 you have any comments, information or documentation about when and = where=20 lucets were used?  Anne
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From my sources, I = understand lucets to have been used to make ties and laces for all = sorts of=20 things from the Tenth century right up until the Nineteenth century. = It was=20 one of those crafts that disappeared without trace as soon as=20 industrialisation started to produce cords and laces quickly and = cheaply. _As=20 far as I'm aware_, it's period for everything.

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 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C23A0F.118F0020-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:45:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13028 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:45:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72EYRE20121; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:34:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EYP211440; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72ESI209129 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a27.in-tch.com [66.62.107.7]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g72EDE927817 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4A9823.BA69A178@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] English Civil war patterns from UK Merchant References: <35A79C01370@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:33:07 -0600 Status: RO Are all Teddy Abilities famous? --Sue Teddy wrote: > > You obvioulsy don't have the famous Teddy Ability of pulling > something *like a cloak or long robe) from the back of the car when > you reach an event only to find that it has wound itself around 3 > jugs and any piece of glasswear it can and immediately whips > them out of the car and onto the ground at great speed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 10:55:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13110 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:55:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72EiQE20967; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72EiP215860; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72EfS214454 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 08:41:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802144126.26897.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 15:41:26 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c23a30$98a0a020$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:41:26 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Anne Moeller wrote: > > There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. > They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast > of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until > the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags > embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date > "1600" and "1600-50". Excuse my confusion, but why would the Williamsburg museum of all places (aren't they 18th century?) have items from 1600 or 1650. I would like to see the bags to verify their dates, I would also like to know who decided it is lucetted cord. Also, it is interesting that a place in the colonies appears to be the only one with lucetted cords found for the period, while i have not heard of any on the motherland. I'm just always dubious about everything until i am as sure and certain as i can possibly be. Also.. if there is one place with a couple of cords,and that in the colonies, how widespread would one think the method is then anywhere else? ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 11:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13320 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72FJUE23900; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72FJS202145; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:19:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72FFU200287 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.136.219]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020802151518.CBEA8715.out008.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:15:18 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020802151349.00714000@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:13:49 -0400 Status: RO At 03:41 PM 8/2/02 +0100, you wrote: > --- Anne Moeller wrote: > >> There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. >> They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast >> of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until >> the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags >> embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date >> "1600" and "1600-50". > >Excuse my confusion, but why would the Williamsburg museum of all places >(aren't they 18th century?) have items from 1600 or 1650. I would like to see >the bags to verify their dates, I would also like to know who decided it is >lucetted cord. Also, it is interesting that a place in the colonies appears to >be the only one with lucetted cords found for the period, while i have not >heard of any on the motherland. >I'm just always dubious about everything until i am as sure and certain as i >can possibly be. >Also.. if there is one place with a couple of cords,and that in the colonies, >how widespread would one think the method is then anywhere else? >;-) > >Nicole > Just one little follow up. If the one bag really dates from 1600, then it was not made in a British Colony. By then Roanoke was gone, and Jamestowne was still another 7 years off. Cheers, Ron Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 12:50:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13735 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72GNsE29428; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72G9Si27867; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72G3Li24205 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:03:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p131.directcon.net [209.233.107.131]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g72G3EuO014010; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:03:15 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020802090831.00e02290@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding dress of the Alternative style or Progressive/Aesthetic period In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801133723.00a38cd0@postoffice.att.net> References: <200208011624.g71GOke04556@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:08:31 -0700 Status: RO At 01:41 PM 08/01/2002 -0700, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: >OK, let me repost the critical part of my original post: > >I'm looking for a photo of a wedding dress I saw in a costume book over 20 >years ago. The dress (not the book) was from around 1880 or 1890, and was >an example of an alternate style of design - one of the revisionist schools >of design that kept appearing during the 19th century. I =think= it was >called Progressive, but I'm not sure. It's been suggested that it might be >Revisionist or Aesthetic style. > >The dress was very simple, loose and flowing from a rather boat-shaped >gathered neckline, with bell-like sleeves. There was a definite Grecian >suggestion in the overall design. There was a band of several rows of >beadwork that circled the neckline, then at the back of the neck the >beadwork turned and went down either side of the back closure, and at the >waist turned towards the front and wrapped around somewhat like a medieval >girdle (only much wider), to pull the dress in at the waist and provide >some accent and contrast. There were matching rows of beadwork at the ends >of the sleeves as well. Also maybe at the hem, but I'm not sure > Was the dress pleated in tiny pleats? Because the beadwork edging sounds like Fortuny. You might try looking at some of his work. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 13:20:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13957 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:20:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72Gs8E02611; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:54:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72GgPi15568; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72Gaui12300 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802163655.43018.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 17:36:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020802151349.00714000@mail.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:36:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ron Carnegie wrote: > > Just one little follow up. If the one bag really dates from 1600, > then it was not made in a British Colony. By then Roanoke was gone, and > Jamestowne was still another 7 years off. Thanks ever so much Ron, my knowledge of the history of the colonies is quite abysmal *blush* I should get around these days to check the dates of settlments in the 17th c. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 14:16:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14341 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72HiLE07735; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72HMPi08475; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.48]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72HHqi05916 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.43.95]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020802171746.VHVW7441.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:17:46 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802095124.00a38ad0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208021016.g72AGu202902@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Re:Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:14:44 -0700 Status: RO OK, I see I need to add some more detail to my first post. I saw the picture in a book in the DeYoung book store. It wasn't a catalog or part of an exhibition at the museum, just a book off the shelf in the store. I can even remember the book a little, although it's somewhat vague. It was a large book, about the size of the Dover edition of Cunnington. I want to say it was a Dover book, but I'm not sure. Also, I'm almost positive the dress/picture was American, I think from New York, and not European. It was also a general costume book, and covered at least the 19th century, if not more. My interest at that time was specifically Regency, and I wouldn't have even taken a book off the shelf to look at if it didn't appear to include the Regency, from the title. The text was in two columns per page, and the picture I'm looking for was on a right-hand page, at the bottom of the right side column. I even think the page number was in the high 200's, but I may just be projecting wishful thinking, remembering that much detail. The book was more text than pictures, and all the pictures were in black and white (I think). I =think= it was a soft-cover book, which is why I think it might have been a Dover book. But the thing is, I have a pretty extensive collection of costume books, and I've got pretty much every Dover book on the subject, as well as all the standard, familiar, must-have texts (Waugh, Cunnington, Boucher, Laver, Bradfield, Yarwood, Payne, Norris, Davenport, Arnold, etc). To be honest, my collection is more extensive than most of the libraries around here (and I live in Los Angeles), although I haven't been in the UCLA library since I was a student there about 25 years ago. I know I should check that out (but if anyone is familiar with parking and navigating the UCLA campus, you'll understand my procrastination ). I will, however, check their catalog for the books mentioned here, on the Reform movement and such. The depressing thing is, I won't recognise the book even when I see it, so I can't just page through a catalog looking for a title to jump out at me. I have to go through the likely books and hope I see the picture. I realize this is probably a wild goose chase, but thanks everyone for your help. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 14:25:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14403 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72IEeE10310; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72IEci07509; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72I9ji05050 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.136.219]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020802180939.DWGG8715.out008.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:09:39 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020802180810.0070ede8@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 14:08:10 -0400 Status: RO Funny, my follow up went through, but the original post bounced. Here it is again. Ron, >> --- Anne Moeller wrote: > >>> There's some bone lucets featured on a webpage maintained by Gunnora. >>> They were found in a 6th century Viking settlement on the northern coast >>> of Scotland. Beyond that, there's no evidence that I am aware of until >>> the 17th century - the Williamsburg museum has two sweet bags >>> embroidered in tent stitch with lucetted cords. Thosee bags are date >>> "1600" and "1600-50". >> >>Excuse my confusion, but why would the Williamsburg museum of all places >>(aren't they 18th century?) have items from 1600 or 1650. I would like to see >>the bags to verify their dates, I would also like to know who decided it is >>lucetted cord. Also, it is interesting that a place in the colonies appears to >>be the only one with lucetted cords found for the period, while i have not >>heard of any on the motherland. >>I'm just always dubious about everything until i am as sure and certain as i >>can possibly be. >>Also.. if there is one place with a couple of cords,and that in the colonies, >>how widespread would one think the method is then anywhere else? >>;-) >> >>Nicole > > I suspect that by "Williamsburg Museum" what was meant was the "DeWitt Wallace Museum of Decorative Arts". This museum will display parts of our textile collection on a rotating basis. I imagine that these bags were part of the needlework exhibit a few years back. > > This historic area's period of interest is without a doubt the third quarter of the 18th Century, but the collection is far more inclusive than that. In fact we own a portrait of Queen Elizabeth that was taken from life. I am not familiar with these bags, and agree that the cord might not be lucet work, but being in the colonies means nothing. The Dewitt was originally created to house the incredible antiques that used to be displayed in the Goveronor's Palace. Left over from a time when splendor was far more important the historical accuracy. Most of these items were NOT in the colonies untill Rockefeller sent his buyers searching for them in the 1920s and 30s. Again, I am not familiar with thes bags, and do not know there provenance, but I would not be at all surprised if they are NOT Colonial. Best bet would be to contact Linda Baumgarten, curator of Textiles for the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. > >Ron Carnegie >Managing Interpret of Historic Productions >Colonial Williamsburg Foundation > Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 16:04:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15445 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72JrEE18727; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72JrBi27850; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72JiXi23344 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020802194432.94696.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:44:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020802180810.0070ede8@mail.verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:44:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ron Carnegie wrote: > > > This historic area's period of interest is without a doubt the > third quarter of the 18th Century, but the collection is far more inclusive > than that. In fact we own a portrait of Queen Elizabeth that was taken from > life. Interesting, I admit that I have not much interest in the colonies thus I did not know that the collection goes beyond the 18th century. I am not familiar with these bags, and agree that the cord might not > be lucet work, but being in the colonies means nothing. Again, interesting to know that indeed it is very important to be always dubious. There was no explanation in the original post where the bags originated from, thus it had to be assumed their providence was from the actual place where the museum is situated. The Dewitt was > originally created to house the incredible antiques that used to be > displayed in the Goveronor's Palace. Left over from a time when splendor > was far more important the historical accuracy. Most of these items were > NOT in the colonies untill Rockefeller sent his buyers searching for them in > the 1920s and 30s. Ah, I see, so it is the same as the two mantuas that were taken from their place of origin and bought into the US. And actually the same as the Elgian marbles or the Egyptian collection in the British Museum or the Mesopotamian antiquities in the Berlin museum. Money brings the items to wherever the money is, that's life. Again, I am not familiar with thes bags, and do not know > there provenance, but I would not be at all surprised if they are NOT > Colonial. Best bet would be to contact Linda Baumgarten, curator of > Textiles for the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. Thank you for the tip, I won't do it, because it isn't even within my period of research, and thus I can't be bothered because I don't have time at all, but it is very useful to know, just in case. Thanks ever so much Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 16:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15659 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 16:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72KJME21053; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72KJKi10970; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72Jn0i25553 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020802194854.WGJF221.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:48:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c23a5d$9f93ac60$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802095124.00a38ad0@postoffice.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Wedding dress of the Progressive/Aesthetic period MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:48:49 -0700 Status: RO > To be honest, my collection is more extensive than most of the libraries > around here (and I live in Los Angeles), although I haven't been in the > UCLA library since I was a student there about 25 years ago. I know I > should check that out (but if anyone is familiar with parking and > navigating the UCLA campus, you'll understand my procrastination ). I > will, however, check their catalog for the books mentioned here, on the > Reform movement and such. Julie, if you do get inspired to hit a local LA library, LACMA has a great costume/fashion research library. I'll take a troll through my bookshelf and see if I can find anything. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17446 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:18:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N79E06723; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N74F11129; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (inet-mail3.oracle.com [148.87.2.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72K0mi01667 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g72K0gS14971 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (rgmgw4.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.13]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g72K0Z214857 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bperry_pc.oracle.com (dhcp-4op9-4op10-east-130-35-175-38.us.oracle.com [130.35.175.38]) by rgmgw4.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g72K0Z703454 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802125736.033a3ae8@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> X-Sender: betsy.perry@gmmail.oraclecorp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Elizabeth Hanes Perry Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020802194432.94696.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <2.2.32.20020802180810.0070ede8@mail.verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 13:01:30 -0700 Status: RO At 08:44 PM 8/2/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > was far more important the historical accuracy. Most of these items were > > NOT in the colonies untill Rockefeller sent his buyers searching for > them in > > the 1920s and 30s. > >Ah, I see, so it is the same as the two mantuas that were taken from their >place of origin and bought into the US. Fair enough. >And actually the same as the Elgian >marbles or the Egyptian collection in the British Museum or the Mesopotamian >antiquities in the Berlin museum. Not really. The Elgin marbles can cause a flamewar in themselves, but the point is that Lord Elgin didn't make any attempt to determine the owners. Same with many pieces of ancient art in the colonial era -- adventurers simply grabbed them and ran. Nobody stole the Unicorn tapestries that now hang in the Cloisters museum. Buying an object of art and moving it is no different morally if you're moving it from Sussex to Kent or from Sussex to America. I'm sure that some fine examples of Tiffany glass and Revere silver are in Europe or Japan now. That wasn't theft, either. There's no moral law saying that beautiful objects must stay in the place they were made. Be well, do good work, and keep in touch. - G. Keillor Betsy Hanes Perry betsy.perry@oracle.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:20:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17465 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:20:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N8BE06923; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N88F11685; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from franka.aracnet.com (franka.aracnet.com [216.99.193.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72L3Ui03840 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:03:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by franka.aracnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g72L2Q7o024991 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:02:27 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: Subject: RE: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:12:53 -0700 Status: RO More information on the figure in the Manesse, number 135. I asked Master Klement St. Christoph to do an "on the fly" translation of the German information about the picture, and here is basically what he said: The picture depicts a person with the last name "Boppe" (the most recent Queen of Drachenwald was mundanely Christina Boppe - a piece of trivia only offered to show that it is still used as a last name in Germany) Basically there was a poet named Boppe of Swiss extraction at one of the local courts. He seems to have been something like a court poet. He was entered into the Meistersinger tradition even though he was not a "wandering" minstrel. One of his greatest claims to fame was that he was very large, and very strong, thus the depiction of him in the portrait as Sampson (The figure in yellow with the long hair and beard. Obviously pre-Delilah barbering. The object he has in his hands is a horseshoe! He has bent it nearly straight to demonstrate his strength. He is stooped over to keep him from towering over the two knights (the ones leaning on their swords). After all, he is only a poet. Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17472 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:20:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N8FE06935; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N8DF11728; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx1.famvid.com (a.mx.famvid.com [208.16.68.101] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g72LEGi10904 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 15:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 8170 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2002 21:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jeanne) (66.94.197.27) by mx1.famvid.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2002 21:17:19 -0000 Message-ID: <024001c23a69$945b8c80$9865fea9@jeanne> From: "Jeanne Harney" To: References: <34271701AA7@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] New Singer Treadles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:14:24 -0400 Status: RO The ones at Lehman's are supposed to be quite functional, as Lehman's is in the heart of Amish country, catering to Amish families. I like their electric machines converted to treadle...would like to have the one that does buttonholes and such. You can see their stuff at http://www.lehmans.com though the concept of an Amish store on the 'net is kind of funny. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020801144009.EXYT9318.out016.verizon.net@out016> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 9:40:09 -0500 Status: RO > > From: Margo Anderson > Date: 2002/08/01 Thu AM 01:03:53 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com, > Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? > > > > > > Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in the > Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather expensive. > > If these are the ones that look just like an antique treadle machine, watch > out! I was selling Singers at the time, about ten years ago, that the > replica" treadle models were being introduced. My sales manager told me > that they were being made with the lowest quality parts and engineering, as > they were aimed at the "country decorating" crowd, with the expectation > that they would only occasionally be sewn on. > I suspect that this is not the same model. Besides being very expensive (more than the cost of an antique treadle) it is advertised in the Loehman's catalog. (It also has been offered in the catalog for longer than ten years).This catalog is intended for the Non-electric lifestyle. The stuff has to do the job, not just look cute and quaint. In fact most of there stuff is NOT very attractive, and practicality is the watchword. Much of the stuff in this catalog is still made because of the third world. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 19:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17493 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g72N8qE07057; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g72N8mF12045; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g71GT7e07236 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1869.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.77] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17aIoz-0005Fx-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Thu, 01 Aug 2002 17:29:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c2397a$cf32c700$4d1786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C23983.2F4BF000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:45:11 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C23983.2F4BF000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, =20 May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? 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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C23820.FE9E6EA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 20:23:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18210 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g730CRE10746; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:12:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730CNF03744; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7304OF01349 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g7304OB278279 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:04:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval cross-dressing? In-Reply-To: <3D3F8F5E.7CCAC205@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:04:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO WAAAY behind, yes, I know, but this leads me to another question: Does anyone know of sources for small (6"?) pieces of cloth of gold? I can't afford a yard of it, or a half yard, but a hanky-sized bit is all I really need and might be within my budget, if anybody sells such small quantities. Emma On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oh, okay....that half-way makes sense. They sure looked like yokes of > fabric, but you said the _Treasury_..... > Hmmm....I wonder how I'd fake/duplicate it, since I don't exactly have > access to cloth of gold..... > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 20:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18218 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g730D1E10786; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730D0F03883; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73061F01891 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03176 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:07:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020802194432.94696.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:07:12 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > Again, interesting to know that indeed it is very important to be > always dubious. There was no explanation in the original post where > the bags originated from, thus it had to be assumed their providence > was from the actual place where the museum is situated. It had never occurred to me before that that might be a logical assumption in Europe, particularly when you're talking about historical artifacts (rather than, say, paintings). In the States, though, there are many fine collections with a large proportion of work from outside the U.S. When you think about it, essentially all our pre-1620 work (other than native American) comes from outside of our own country, so we don't get into the habit of associating artifacts from pre-Colonial eras with the locale in which they're displayed. So it doesn't occur to me to find it odd that, say, the Cleveland Museum of Art has some fine pieces of medieval textiles. But if you told me that I'd find a good collection of Sioux artifacts in Florida, or Old West artifacts in Connecticut, or antebellum Southern gowns in Idaho, I'd think that was an odd place for them to end up. And I do remember being surprised to find a brilliant piece of English medieval embroidery in the cathedral treasury in Bruges. But, well, why not? I did go to Spain to see Flemish art, after all. And in those cases, the pieces made their travels on their own merits, exported from their country of origin like any other product to interested buyers. That was long before collectors (such as Lord Elgin, an excellent example Nicole mentioned) began wholesale movement of works from their places of origin for purposes of historic preservation and display. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 2 20:41:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18375 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:41:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g730UQE11524; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730UPF08919; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g730OKF07164 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g730OKn280101 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:24:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] OT: Dual-Power Singers? In-Reply-To: <20020730193106.IRXY5031.out018.verizon.net@out018> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 19:24:20 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO > Singer does still make treadle sewing machines. They are offered in > the Lohemann's catalog for non-electric living. They are rather > expensive. My 1916 White was a quarter of the price and has a much > nicer cabinet. Singer probably is the best way to go however if you > intend to use an antique. Parts are far easier to come by. (Luckily > the Singer belts fit the white!). Cheers, Ron You mean *Lehman's* Catalog, perhaps? Highly ironic, but they have a very nice webpage. www.lehmans.com Emma Lehman (not related, just a sort of customer) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 01:09:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20061 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 01:09:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g734wQE22531; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g734wOF15419; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from x11.quik.com (x11.quik.com [216.176.28.111]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g734r2F14186 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from downstairs (ip073.vb.quik.com [216.176.5.73]) (authenticated bits=0) by x11.quik.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g734qrO6025861 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:53:00 -0700 From: "Anne Moeller" To: Subject: FW: FW: Manessische Liederhandschrift, was Re: [h-cost] Medievalcross-dressing? Message-ID: <000001c23aa9$8cfd74e0$696dfea9@downstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g734r2F14186 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 00:52:19 -0400 Status: RO My niece sent me this site from the Heidelberg University. Really neat! It does look like there are more than 137 pages. Hope this is useful. Anne http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/cpg848 Here's a website for you re: the Codex...looks like they scanned the book online. I checked with a bookstore in Germany & they would have to order it for the same price as amazon, so if you want me to order it, let me know. I saw another book on amazon.de called Kleidung & Waffen der Spätgotik, Teil I: 1320 - 1370 (clothing & weapons)...might be of interest, as well. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 04:24:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA07759 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:24:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g738DQE29127; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:13:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g738DOF23387; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7386KF22093 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:06:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803080619.88065.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:06:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:06:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > It had never occurred to me before that that might be a logical assumption > in Europe, particularly when you're talking about historical artifacts > (rather than, say, paintings). Ah, yes, but several factors come into that. A) I didn't get my dates right at all regarding settlements in the colonies, thus I believed there was a settlement at the time in questions. B) yes OF COURSE most of the time the artifacts in question here in Europe are from the place of origin of the actual museum! The National museum of denmark in Copenhagen has artifacts from denmark. The V&A has mainly artefacts from England. The Dresdner museum has artifacts from Saxony. and so on. It is indeed, I believe a very different way of thinking and I'm afraid I can't get my head around having to think 'where does this come from because it can't possibly be from here'. It's odd, sorry, but I grew up steeped in history all around me and everywhere. In the States, though, there are many fine > collections with a large proportion of work from outside the U.S. When you > think about it, essentially all our pre-1620 work (other than native > American) comes from outside of our own country, so we don't get into the > habit of associating artifacts from pre-Colonial eras with the locale in > which they're displayed. very true, I see your point, but as I said, we have (due to necessity) different frames of mind. > And I do remember being surprised to find a brilliant piece of English > medieval embroidery in the cathedral treasury in Bruges. But, well, why > not? It was probably there because it went there in medieval times. This happened fairly often, there is a piece of Anglo-Saxon 8th century brilliant embroidery in a reliquiary in Holland. It went to Holland in medieval times. Also, two World wars on our soil haven't helped, spoils of war were taken back to the raider's country, but I must say that most are back by now. The clothing of August the Strong (August der Starke) went to Russia after the war (II) but have been back in Dresden for a few years now. I did go to Spain to see Flemish art, after all. And in those cases, > the pieces made their travels on their own merits, exported from their > country of origin like any other product to interested buyers. That was > long before collectors (such as Lord Elgin, an excellent example Nicole > mentioned) began wholesale movement of works from their places of origin > for purposes of historic preservation and display. Yes it does happen occasionally, but you have to understand that it is not the norm, particularly not when talking about national museums. It doesn't help that I really don't have a clue about the US. I don't know how many States there are nor which they are, I am hopeless in Geography. Are there state museums? I don't know. Do they primarily display items originating in that state? I don't know. I was talking about what is the most PROBABLE origin (after all, it was the first thought that came to mind) and having been to so many European national museums the first thought was 'oh, it's from the same country or at least near there'. There you are, two contintents, two completely different ways of thinking :-) Nicole - in serious need of getting to know the major US museums, coz they have quite a few 17th c. bits. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 04:33:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA20799 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:33:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g738MOE29491; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g738MNF25136; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g738DWF23402 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803081332.93024.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:13:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802125736.033a3ae8@gmmail.oraclecorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:13:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Elizabeth Hanes Perry wrote: > > Nobody stole the Unicorn tapestries that now hang in the Cloisters > museum. Buying an object of art and moving it is no different morally if > you're moving it from Sussex to Kent or from Sussex to America. I'm sure > that some fine examples of Tiffany glass and Revere silver are in Europe or > Japan now. That wasn't theft, either. There's no moral law saying that > beautiful objects must stay in the place they were made. Sheesh, I never said it was theft in the first place but I guess I didn't make clear that i do believe there is a big difference between 19th century 'adventurer archaeologists' who are in my opinion thieves, and those who buy who have the most money, and no, I don't like that either. Why is it that museums cannot afford a piece of relatively local history to be displayed where it should be, museums begging for donations so that they can buy such a piece, but they can't, and it goes elsewhere. Okay, that's only a small percentage. there are many different ways of buying and selling and sorry if I wasn't clear (and I realise now that I wasn't) I don't mean that pieces of interest should not be displayed in other countries so that the culture of the respectivecountry can be shown and explained and the world cultures grow more fond of each other etc. Nah, didn't mean that to happen. But I AM upset when a van Gogh painting is bought by someone who places it then into a vault, never to be seen again, that's a scandal! Or national museums being heartbroken because they cannot buy a coveted object of local/national importance because they just cannot afford it and it goes elsewhere where it is 'only' a beautiful object and not of further importance. There are so many levels to this, and I really don't want to get into it. In essence, I just hope that all museums in the world are relatively happy with what they have which is local/national, and also with what they have from other countries to show their culture. That's probably not the case because we don't live in an ideal world. Anyway, enough of that, I can't be bothered anymore and have to stitch on ben's embroidered nightcap instead. I personally see this thread closed for myself. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 04:33:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA21080 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:33:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g738MUE29505; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g738MTF25168; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:22:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g738KdF24855 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 02:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803082038.54544.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:20:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001901c2397a$cf32c700$4d1786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:20:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Dear helen, Welcome to you! there are quite a few of us here in the UK, though it doesn't always seem so. :-) I do late 17th century 1660-1715, so tell me, are you in the Sealed Knot or the ECW? (I assume you are in one of them) > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone know > whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both > children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of > the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. I would love to help as much as I can, but please you DO have to tell us which decade are you talking about. There are huge differences in different decades on the 17th century, and soon the forehead cloths got out of fashion anyway. Cheerio nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 07:10:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30478 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Ax4E03716; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Ax3F23656; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Au0F23125 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:56:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-779.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.11] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17awZi-0008Oj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 11:55:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c23ade$9ead3f60$0b0386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Edmunds" To: References: <20020803082038.54544.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:11:28 +0100 Status: RO Hello again and thanks for the welcome! Nicole, I'm actually in the GAS Co (Gentlemen and Allied Skills) which was originally an off-shoot of the ECWS. I first joined the SK, then had dual membership of the ECWS/SK for a few years. For my sins, I'm still a member of the ECWS although I don't really do military, I leave that to my husband! BTW, he's the bloke you see when you visit the homepage of the ECWS site! My primary interest is civilian and household. The GAS Co primarily covers 1620 - 1650. The issue of decades is a complex one because there's 3 females of differing status involved! I play wetnurse, my baby plays offspring to the gentlewoman/lady of the house and my 8 yr old plays "poor ward". So, as you can see, we could be portraying anything from these decades due to the status issue. If we take 1630 as a mean average, then I spose I could be wearing much older-style clothingn - the baby could go either way, as you've got the issue of clothing being handed-down (and the household is generally based in the countryside and therefore not up with the current trends) and my eldest would still be fairly lowly, I suppose. I know that forehead cloths may have gone out of style for women, but it appears that they were still in use in the last decade of the 17th Century as far as babies were concerned(Anne Buck's "Clothes and the Child"). I'd be very grateful for any info on x-cloths or forehead cloths for mine and my eldest's role. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 03 August 2002 09:20 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > --- Helen Partner wrote: > > > Dear helen, > > Welcome to you! there are quite a few of us here in the UK, though it doesn't > always seem so. :-) I do late 17th century 1660-1715, so tell me, are you in > the Sealed Knot or the ECW? (I assume you are in one of them) > > > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone know > > whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both > > children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of > > the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. > > I would love to help as much as I can, but please you DO have to tell us which > decade are you talking about. There are huge differences in different decades > on the 17th century, and soon the forehead cloths got out of fashion anyway. > > Cheerio > nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 07:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30564 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73BL4E04443; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73BL2F27755; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73BGdF26996 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 05:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2674.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.42.114] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17awth-0006oP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <003401c23ae1$81724f00$722a86d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Edmunds" To: References: <20020803082038.54544.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <000701c23ade$9ead3f60$0b0386d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:32:51 +0100 Status: RO Hello again, Not sure why the last message came up from Helen Edmunds, when I'm Helen Partner! We've just upgraded to MS Exp 6 so something has obviously caused the system to have a mental aberration! It's also deleted all the stuff in our previous Outlook Express! Gulp! Hope everyone else is having a better and less taxing day! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Edmunds" To: Sent: 03 August 2002 12:11 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > Hello again and thanks for the welcome! > > Nicole, > > I'm actually in the GAS Co (Gentlemen and Allied Skills) which was > originally an off-shoot of the ECWS. I first joined the SK, then had dual > membership of the ECWS/SK for a few years. For my sins, I'm still a member > of the ECWS although I don't really do military, I leave that to my husband! > BTW, he's the bloke you see when you visit the homepage of the ECWS site! > My primary interest is civilian and household. > > The GAS Co primarily covers 1620 - 1650. The issue of decades is a complex > one because there's 3 females of differing status involved! I play > wetnurse, my baby plays offspring to the gentlewoman/lady of the house and > my 8 yr old plays "poor ward". So, as you can see, we could be portraying > anything from these decades due to the status issue. If we take 1630 as a > mean average, then I spose I could be wearing much older-style clothingn - > the baby could go either way, as you've got the issue of clothing being > handed-down (and the household is generally based in the countryside and > therefore not up with the current trends) and my eldest would still be > fairly lowly, I suppose. I know that forehead cloths may have gone out of > style for women, but it appears that they were still in use in the last > decade of the 17th Century as far as babies were concerned(Anne Buck's > "Clothes and the Child"). I'd be very grateful for any info on x-cloths or > forehead cloths for mine and my eldest's role. > > Thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N Kipar" > To: > Sent: 03 August 2002 09:20 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > > > > --- Helen Partner wrote: > > > > > Dear helen, > > > > Welcome to you! there are quite a few of us here in the UK, though it > doesn't > > always seem so. :-) I do late 17th century 1660-1715, so tell me, are you > in > > the Sealed Knot or the ECW? (I assume you are in one of them) > > > > > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone > know > > > whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, > both > > > children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels > of > > > the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is > appreciated. > > > > I would love to help as much as I can, but please you DO have to tell us > which > > decade are you talking about. There are huge differences in different > decades > > on the 17th century, and soon the forehead cloths got out of fashion > anyway. > > > > Cheerio > > nicole > > > > ===== > > Nicole Kipar M.A. > > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 09:41:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32586 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73DUdE07879; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:30:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73DUWF22477; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73DRjF21904 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 07:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17aywa-0001no-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 06:27:44 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Organization: PII Message-ID: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000c01c2395f$9fa0ff40$fa1086d9@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 06:17:45 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question. I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to display embellishment usually). I have always wondered how they were worn. I may have seen them on someone and not known what I was looking at. I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them together. Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?) Thanks in ad vance, Saragrace -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Hello everyone, May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK 17th Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible. I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy! I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question.  = I have=20 seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to display=20 embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they were = worn.  I=20 may have seen them on someone and not  known what I was looking = at.  I=20 conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in conjunction = with an=20 attifet or coif since you often see them together.  Assuming we are = talking=20 about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end = worn to=20 the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the = forehead-(hence=20 the name?)   Thanks in ad vance,
 
 
Saragrace
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Helen Partner
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31=20 AM
To: h-costume@net.indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] = Forehead=20 Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hello=20 everyone,
 
May I = quickly=20 introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th = Century=20 re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing that's = as near=20 to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  I've got two = children (one=20 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy!
 
I = wonder if someone=20 could help with a couple of queries?  Does anyone know whether = forehead=20 cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children = as well=20 as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social=20 strata?  I know it's asking a lot, but any help is=20 appreciated.
 
Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C23AB5.7EFB86A0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 11:03:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01704 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:03:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Er9E10992; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Er7F08580; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73El8F07304 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 08:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2244.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.24.196] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17b0BM-0003Sq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:47:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Edmunds" To: References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:03:21 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageSaragrace It's not a silly question :-) Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. My = understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in = my period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. Sometimes, = you can see a faint glimpse of these in the various images of babies in = the 17th C. A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday = about how far over the forehead the fc came! We're not really sure, = either! Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't = protrude too much. I've not been too much help, have I? Regards Helen =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Saragrace knauf=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead = Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question. = I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to = display embellishment usually). I have always wondered how they were = worn. I may have seen them on someone and not known what I was looking = at. I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in = conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them together. = Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of = fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a = kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?) Thanks = in ad vance, Saragrace -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Helen Partner Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Hello everyone, May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK 17th = Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing = that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible. I've got = two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy! I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does = anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and = outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know about) and = pervaded all levels of the social strata? I know it's asking a lot, but = any help is appreciated. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Saragrace
 
It's not a silly = question =20 :-)
Yep you're right,  = the forehead=20 cloth is the triangular-shaped item.  My understanding, is that it = was worn=20 in conjunction with a coif (well, in my period) and on the head with the = flat=20 edge to the front.  Sometimes, you can see a faint glimpse of these = in  the various images of babies in the 17th C.  A friend and = I were=20 having just such a discussion yesterday about how far over the forehead = the fc=20 came!  We're not really sure, either!  Looking at pictorial = evidence,=20 it appears that they didn't protrude too much.  I've not been too = much=20 help, have I?
 
Regards
Helen  
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Saragrace knauf
Sent: 03 August 2002 = 14:17
Subject: Dumb question about = forehead=20 cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth = Century

Hi=20 Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly = question.  I=20 have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to = display=20 embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they were = worn. =20 I may have seen them on someone and not  known what I was looking = at.  I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn = in=20 conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them = together. =20 Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of = fabric-,was=20 the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did = it dangle=20 over the forehead-(hence the name?)   Thanks in ad=20 vance,
 
 
Saragrace
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On = Behalf Of=20 Helen Partner
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31=20 AM
To: h-costume@net.indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] = Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hello = everyone,
 
May I = quickly=20 introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th = Century=20 re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing = that's as=20 near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  I've got = two=20 children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always=20 busy!
 
I = wonder if someone=20 could help with a couple of queries?  Does anyone know whether = forehead=20 cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children = as well=20 as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the = social=20 strata?  I know it's asking a lot, but any help is=20 appreciated.
 
Thanks
= ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23B07.4A1B2CE0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 11:26:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01803 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73FG6E12043; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:16:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73FG4F13859; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73F9sF12459 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020803150948.YVFM23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:09:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4BF234.5010103@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000306000608040103020009" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 08:09:40 -0700 Status: RO --------------000306000608040103020009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you or someone recommend some pictures so I can take a look at what you are talking about better? This is not my period, but it does sound very interesting. Roscelin Helen Edmunds wrote: > Saragrace > > > > It's not a silly question :-) > > Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. > My understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif > (well, in my period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. > Sometimes, you can see a faint glimpse of these in the various images > of babies in the 17th C. A friend and I were having just such a > discussion yesterday about how far over the forehead the fc came! > We're not really sure, either! Looking at pictorial evidence, it > appears that they didn't protrude too much. I've not been too much > help, have I? > > > > Regards > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Saragrace knauf > > To:h-costume@indra.com > > Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 > > Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] > Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > > Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly > question. I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always > lying flat (to display embellishment usually). I have always > wondered how they were worn. I may have seen them on someone and > not known what I was looking at. I conjectured in my own mind > that they might have been worn in conjunction with an attifet or > coif since you often see them together. Assuming we are talking > about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy > end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it > dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?) Thanks in ad vance, > > > > > > Saragrace > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-admin@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > Hello everyone, > > > > May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK > 17th Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about > creating clothing that's as near to being an accurate a > facsimile as possible. I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 > months) and so my life is always busy! > > > > I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does > anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both > indoor and outdoor use, both children as well as babies > (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social > strata? I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated. > > > > Thanks > --------------000306000608040103020009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you or someone recommend some pictures so I can take a look at what you are talking about better?  This is not my period, but it does sound very interesting.

Roscelin

Helen Edmunds wrote:
Message
Saragrace
 
It's not a silly question  :-)
Yep you're right,  the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item.  My understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front.  Sometimes, you can see a faint glimpse of these in  the various images of babies in the 17th C.  A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday about how far over the forehead the fc came!  We're not really sure, either!  Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't protrude too much.  I've not been too much help, have I?
 
Regards
Helen  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17
Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question.  I have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to display embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they were worn.  I may have seen them on someone and not  known what I was looking at.  I conjectured in my own mind that they might have been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see them together.  Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the name?)   Thanks in ad vance,
 
 
Saragrace
-----Original Message-----
From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM
To: h-costume@net.indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century

Hello everyone,
 
May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is always busy!
 
I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries?  Does anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata?  I know it's asking a lot, but any help is appreciated.
 
Thanks

--------------000306000608040103020009-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 12:38:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02000 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73GRDE15044; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GRBF29263; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GQ1F28937 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cpe-24-221-49-58.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.49.58] helo=laptop) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17b1j6-0002v0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 09:26:01 -0700 From: "Saragrace knauf" To: Subject: RE: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Organization: PII Message-ID: <001c01c23b09$12c77080$6501a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3D4BF234.5010103@attbi.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:16:06 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are some pics I guess I should have looked here before I asked the question http://costume.dm.net/headwear/coifpics.html Leave it to Drea-she always has at least part of the anwer! ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Here=20 are some pics
 
I=20 guess I should have looked here   before  I = asked  =20 the  question   http://costume.dm.n= et/headwear/coifpics.html
 
Leave=20 it to Drea-she always has at least part of the = anwer!
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C23ACE.66689880-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 12:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02248 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Gn2E15751; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Gn2F04101; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f220.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.220]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GgDF02759 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:42:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:42:08 -0700 Received: from 65.67.61.199 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:42:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.61.199] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2002 16:42:08.0238 (UTC) FILETIME=[B50400E0:01C23B0C] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 16:42:07 +0000 Status: RO Well, Texas just recently opened a state history museum - The Bob Bullock Texas State History Museum. It's been open about a year, and is more successful than they thought it would be. Even tho Spain claimed the land that became Texas in 1519, Texas as we know it is ver young, even compared to other states - less than 200 years. I haven't yet been to the museum, but I did tour the Capitol building last weekend, and they have a Battle Flag from one of the Taxas Independence wars, and they won't display it becasue "it's very old" and they don't want it damaged while on display. The display model is a replica. Rumor has it the State History museum has textiles on display. Mary/Katerine in unseasonanbly cool Austin - we have yet to have a 100 degree F day this summer! >Yes it does happen occasionally, but you have to understand that it is not >the >norm, particularly not when talking about national museums. It doesn't help >that I really don't have a clue about the US. I don't know how many States >there are nor which they are, I am hopeless in Geography. Are there state >museums? I don't know. Do they primarily display items originating in that >state? I don't know. I was talking about what is the most PROBABLE origin >(after all, it was the first thought that came to mind) and having been to >so >many European national museums the first thought was 'oh, it's from the >same >country or at least near there'. > >Nicole - in serious need of getting to know the major US museums, coz they >have >quite a few 17th c. bits. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 13:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02262 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:00:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73GnEE15777; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GnDF04145; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73GkQF03631 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:46:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.16.74] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 122121202 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 11:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:42:32 -0500 Status: RO I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps anyone. Thanks Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 13:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03351 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:41:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73HV4E17564; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73HV3F13385; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:31:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g73HRbF12648 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:27:36 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:27:36 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Mary Temple wrote: > > I did tour the Capitol building last weekend, and they have a Battle Flag > from one of the Taxas Independence wars, and they won't display it becasue > "it's very old" and they don't want it damaged while on display. The display > model is a replica. Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just had my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make the ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not consider cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late 18th century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition (painted silk). This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and values. 200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage here, at least amongst the historians and curators that I know. Fascinating! Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 14:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04089 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73I07E18858; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73I06F19933; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (inet-mail3.oracle.com [148.87.2.203]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73HsfF18663 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from inet-mail3.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g73HsXS04611 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (rgmgw6.us.oracle.com [138.1.191.15]) by inet-mail3.oracle.com (Switch-2.2.3/Switch-2.2.3) with ESMTP id g73HsW204606 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web155 (web155.oracle.com [148.87.16.128] (may be forged)) by rgmgw6.us.oracle.com (Switch-2.1.3/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id g73HsWV15341 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 11:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <7910987.1028397115132.JavaMail.nobody@web155> From: Betsy Hanes Perry To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Webmail Client Subject: [h-cost] Time Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 09:51:55 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Status: RO > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very > old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of > thinking The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long time. (Old joke, but true.) Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 15:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05990 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:15:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73J46E21385; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73J45F04710; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73J0qF03947 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-44-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.44.220]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g73J0o4247092 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c23b20$174475b0$dc2caf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:00:52 -0700 Status: RO I might be able to help if you'd like to send me scans. The pattern numbers are reused, so they don't mean much without pics. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id > I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all > Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. > > If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are > knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I > have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. > The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps > anyone. > > Thanks > Denise > landofoz@netins.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 15:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06655 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73JR4E22233; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73JR3F09919; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73JLJF08715 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020803192114.JBJA23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:21:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c23b22$e8960d70$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:21:03 -0700 Status: RO There are some books on vintage patterns called _Blueprints of Fashion_, and they include information on dating (including years when logos and number series changed, etc.). These might help! - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id > I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all > Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. > > If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are > knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I > have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. > The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps > anyone. > > Thanks > Denise > landofoz@netins.net > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 15:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07281 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Jn4E23230; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Jn3F14991; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Je8F12931 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p235.directcon.net [209.233.107.235]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g73Jdfcj006864; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:39:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020803124457.00e9eb50@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:44:57 -0700 Status: RO >Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Nicole, the way I have heard it put is: In America, we think a hundred years is a long time. In England, you think a hundred miles is a long way. It's jsut a matter of the local culture. Except for Native American artifacts, nothing in this country is much more than 400 years old. In the part of the country I'm in, (Gold Rush area of California) there were no European settlers until the 1850's, and everyone oohs and ahhs over 19th century artifacts. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 16:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07978 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73KCLE24267; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73KCKF20493; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigred.unl.edu (bigred.unl.edu [129.93.1.7]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73K8qF19721 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (00217146@localhost) by bigred.unl.edu (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g73K8pc393429 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:08:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Emma Elizabeth Lehman <00217146@bigred.unl.edu> To: Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets In-Reply-To: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:08:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. So very old in this case means "Not less than 200 years." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 17:07:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09478 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Ku6E25897; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Ku5F00373; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73KsKF29824 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17b5uk-000C2Q-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:54:18 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:52:44 +0100 Status: RO Are there portraits of people wearing them? Did they go over the coif or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do forehead cloths work in a similar way? Jean Waddie Helen Edmunds wrote >Saragrace >  >It's not a silly question  :-) >Yep you're right,  the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item.  My >understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my >period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front.  Sometimes, you >can see a faint glimpse of these in  the various images of babies in the >17th C.  A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday about >how far over the forehead the fc came!  We're not really sure, either!  >Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't protrude too much. >  I've not been too much help, have I? >  >Regards >Helen   > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Saragrace knauf > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 > Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] > Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question.  I > have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to > display embellishment usually).  I have always wondered how they > were worn.  I may have seen them on someone and not  known what I > was looking at.  I conjectured in my own mind that they might have > been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see > them together.  Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a > triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the > head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the > name?)   Thanks in ad vance, >   >   > Saragrace > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner >> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM >> To: h-costume@net.indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > >> Hello everyone, >>   >> May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber?  I'm a  UK 17th >> Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating >> clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible.  >> I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is >> always busy! >>   >> I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries?  Does >> anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor >> and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know >> about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata?  I know it's asking >> a lot, but any help is appreciated. >>   >> Thanks -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 17:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10780 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73LfBE27668; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Lf3F10207; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LUuF07930 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-128-31.ipset8.wt.net [216.119.128.31]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g73LURe4009944 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: <042101c23b35$1d37d920$448077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:31:20 -0500 Status: RO The flag in question was from the Battle of San Jacinto that occurred in 1836. This was the battle where Sam Houston and his fellow "Texians" effected their revenge on Santa Anna for the Alamo. Santa Anna was literally caught with his pants down as he was being entertained that afternoon in his tent by a local "mulatto" slave girl nicknamed "The Yellow Rose". The flag has almost religious significance for Texas and consequently is being stored in the dark under controlled temperature and humidity. Hope this helps, Karen Verschoor Houston, TX http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm > > > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? > > Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would > an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance > between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. So very old in > this case means "Not less than 200 years." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 17:52:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10790 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:52:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73LfRE27685; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LfRF10301; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LcAF09591 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-131-129.ipset11.wt.net [216.119.131.129]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g73Lboe4010106 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:37:51 -0500 Message-ID: <042501c23b36$25507da0$448077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Subject: [h-cost] Battle of San Jacinto was: State History Museums Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:38:43 -0500 Status: RO To bring this back to the topic of costuming - this battle is reenacted every year in (of course) period costume. Photos of this years reneactment can be found on my web page under 2002 projects. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm > > Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would > an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance > between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. So very old in > this case means "Not less than 200 years." > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 18:03:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11049 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73Lr3E28134; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Lr2F13034; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73Lg0F10478 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:35:19 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AC9740C800AA; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:35:19 -0700 Received: from kimathlon (186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:35:18 -0600 From: "Kim Baird" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] pattern age id Message-ID: <001901c23b36$8c3324f0$6401a8c0@kimathlon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <012001c23b0c$c412adc0$4a108ea7@hppav> Importance: Normal X-SMTP-HELO: kimathlon X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kbaird@cableone.net X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: h-costume@indra.com X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 186-130.farcpe.cableone.net [24.116.186.130] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:41:37 -0500 Status: RO You could send me your scans, I can probably tell within a few years. Kim Baird kbaird@cableone.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Land of Oz Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:43 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id I have some vintage children's patterns that I'd like to date. They are all Simplicity patterns priced from 15 cents to 40 cents. If you know a good on-line source, I'd appreciate a link, or if you are knowledgeable about designs from the mid 20th century, please let me know. I have scanned two of the covers and I could send them to someone for viewing. The pattern numbers are 1824, 4318, 2002, 4103, 1734, 2059, if that helps anyone. Thanks Denise landofoz@netins.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 18:04:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11056 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:04:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73LrDE28160; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LrCF13079; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:53:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73LjJF11252 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:45:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust125.tnt1.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.226.239.125] helo=faucet.net) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17b6i6-0003Fo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 14:45:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4C5C69.C218B47@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 17:42:48 -0500 Status: RO Emma Elizabeth Lehman wrote: > > > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? > > Not necessarily. If I'm remembering my American History correctly (Would > an actual Texan please pipe up?), there were several wars of independance > between Texas and Mexico long before Texas was a state. Howdy. ;) Texas' war of independence from Mexico culminated in victory (for Texas) in 1836. (Mexico had only won its independence from Spain fifteen years previously.) It seems likely that this was the war in question. A synopsis of the six flags of Texas can be seen here: http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm The battle flag in question may have been the same design as was then used to signify the newly liberated Republic of Texas and today flies as the Texas state flag. All this to say that the flag in question is most likely less than 200 years old. It may be that, having been in battle, it is more fragile than age alone would suggest. Cheers, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 18:21:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11348 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:21:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73MAmE28891; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73MAlF17100; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73M1LF14916 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-63.210.222.51.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([63.210.222.51] helo=earthlink.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17b6xc-0005VB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 15:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4C52BF.2070406@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <3.0.6.32.20020803124457.00e9eb50@pop.directcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: State History Museums Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 18:01:35 -0400 Status: RO It does also depend a bit on where you are in the USA. I'm in New York City, and we aren't all that impressed by 19th century... plenty of that around! 18th century varies... And our Museum of the City of New York certainly has many things in it that were not produced here. They have an extensive collection of 17th century articles from the Netherlands, which were brought here by settlers when this area was first colonized as New Amsterdam. These things were used here, but not made here. Since the city was founded as a seaport and trading post, and has flourished as such ever since (though our methods of trade and transportation have changed *G* ), our history would not be complete without evidence of that trade, which has always been more important to the city than actual manufacture. (Design, yes. Manufacture, no...) Anne Margo Anderson wrote: > >Nicole, the way I have heard it put is: In America, we think a hundred >years is a long time. In England, you think a hundred miles is a long way. > It's jsut a matter of the local culture. > >Except for Native American artifacts, nothing in this country is much more >than 400 years old. In the part of the country I'm in, (Gold Rush area of >California) there were no European settlers until the 1850's, and everyone >oohs and ahhs over 19th century artifacts. > >Margo >"One Tough Costumer" > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 19:33:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13027 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:33:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g73NN6E02062; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73NN4F02879; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g73NBgF00436 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.163.11b699eb (4560) for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <163.11b699eb.2a7dbd26@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:11:34 EDT Status: RO Many flags were made of silk, and many silk textiles are not aging well. Most of you are probably aware of many late 19th century, or even 20th century, silk garments that are shattering. So the decision not to display this one could be very wise. Also, most collections now try to rotate all the textiles that are on view, to limit the exposure to light and the stress of display. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 20:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14319 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g740K6E03858; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740K3F15862; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7408xF13884 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0C930504; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 19:09:45 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020803172736.24380.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:09:45 -0500 Status: RO "In America 100 years is a long time. In England 100 miles is a long distance." it's all due to your frame of reference... Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:28 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets --- Mary Temple wrote: > > I did tour the Capitol building last weekend, and they have a Battle Flag > from one of the Taxas Independence wars, and they won't display it becasue > "it's very old" and they don't want it damaged while on display. The display > model is a replica. Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just had my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make the ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not consider cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late 18th century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition (painted silk). This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and values. 200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage here, at least amongst the historians and curators that I know. Fascinating! Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 20:31:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14344 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g740KiE03879; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740KhF16056; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740AGF14127 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A11770504; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 19:11:03 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <7910987.1028397115132.JavaMail.nobody@web155> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:11:03 -0500 Status: RO first she takes my joke, now she's got my name too... wah! Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com]On Behalf Of Betsy Hanes Perry Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:52 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Time > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very > old'? Oh my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of > thinking The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long time. (Old joke, but true.) Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 20:38:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14494 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:38:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g740RbE04147; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740RZF17422; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g740I4F15527 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:18:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.188.127.221] (HELO laptop) by dc-mx08.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 73084067 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:17:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c23b4c$3fbe8900$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: More questions about forehead cloths Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:16:57 -0500 Status: RO When did people start wearing forehead cloths? Were they worn in public, or were they more of an in private piece of clothing? ********************** Rebecca Schmitt aka Mistress Agnes Cabot, wife of Master Peter Cabot, cod merchant of Bristol, BRF FOF So many books, so little time lotsofteapots@charter.net ********************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 22:23:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16789 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g742CQE08457; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:12:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742COF10738; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7424TF08847 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:04:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g741oN929401 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4C8D0B.B1ECC089@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: State History Museums References: <3.0.6.32.20020803124457.00e9eb50@pop.directcon.net> <3D4C52BF.2070406@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:10:19 -0600 Status: RO Amen to that! I'm in Montana (it's a good sized chunk of the NW part of the U.S., straddling the Rocky Mountains and the Continental Divide, to those of us not familiar with US geography)....the history of non-native peoples in this area is just *barely* 200 years total--the big tourist attraction this year (and for a few more years) is all the 200th anniversary hoopla of the Lewis and Clark expedition. The peoples who lived here before it was overrun by settlers, miners, fur trappers, etc., were mostly migratory, as far as I know--I don't know, for instance, that they built permanent structures at all, although I could be wrong! So our history is very, very different from that of more settled areas of the US, let alone Europe, or Asia, or Africa, or parts of Central and South America, which all have had civilizations far back into the past! I think it gives you a very different outlook, if you let it. The things that are *old* here have nothing to do with man and womankind. Some of the trees here pre-date us, and the rocks definitely do! (not a specious comment--there are some amazing dinosaur finds in parts of Montana...I spent a couple of years living in eastern Montana, where my brother and I regularly went fossil-hunting....I've got some of the best ones (mostly from leaves) on the bookshelves in my living room (right next to all the costuming books ). And we have huge amounts of open space out here--Montana's the size of Spain, but only has about 800,000 people total. The town I live in (Missoula) only has (if you include the surrounding county) about, maybe, 80,000? And it's the second-largest town in the state, I think.... When I fly into London at the end of the month, it will be the largest city I've ever been in! It makes me a bit nervous, the thought of all those people! I've never ridden on a subway, for instance, or a passenger train, or been to another country except Canada. (Amazingly enough, Saskatchewan and Alberta (provinces in Canada) look a *lot* like my home state, except that the beer's better, and the campbell's soup labels come in french AND english I'd venture to say that the presence of museums, let alone really good ones, is partly dependent on population....I went to my first art museum in Sacramento, CA a couple of years ago (it was awesome! had a couple of great 16th c. paintings--a Breughel (sp?) and a Bronzino, and a nice selection of California landscape paintings that reminded me of earlier Dutch and Venetian stuff...lots of sky). Museums here in Montana pretty much stick to local history and art--interesting, worthy stuff, but not all that old, in the human scheme of things. Sorry for rambling on, so....it's that type of slow, warm Saturday evening. --Sue A F Murphy wrote: > > It does also depend a bit on where you are in the USA. I'm in New York > City, and we aren't all that impressed by 19th century... plenty of that > around! 18th century varies... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 22:29:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16964 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:29:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g742IZE08749; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:18:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742IYF12109; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:18:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7427WF09594 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:07:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g741rQ929943 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:53:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4C8DC3.426ACBEE@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 20:13:23 -0600 Status: RO What are the dimensions of England, anyways? --Sue, trying to gain some sort of geographical perspective.... Betsy Marshall wrote: > > "In America 100 years is a long time. > In England 100 miles is a long distance." > it's all due to your frame of reference... > Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 22:44:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17334 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:44:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g742Y5E09410; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742Y4F15842; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g742RDF14046 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OkzsrgfXFgeRBXcxGCfj0ac="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9B8FAH8; Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:26:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings Message-ID: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-10,12-13,15-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:21:48 +0000 Status: RO > The difference between Europeans and Americans is that Europeans > think 100 miles is a long distance, and Americans think 100 years is a long > time. > > (Old joke, but true.) > > Betsy I like that--it's very good. :) We Americans forget that we are a very young country. Too many of us, IMHO. Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always wondered: who invented brassieres and when? Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 3 23:17:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18246 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74375E10803; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74373F23878; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7432EF22830 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m32.in-tch.com [216.166.191.32]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g742m8911968 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4C9A90.EF61BC57@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings References: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:08:00 -0600 Status: RO I agree we forget too often...or perhaps, just aren't made aware of it. I don't know who invented bras, but I *think* they're 20th c.....but then, that's not my "time." --sue Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > We Americans forget that we are a very young country. Too many of us, > IMHO. > > Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always > wondered: who invented brassieres and when? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 01:40:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24108 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g745U8E16392; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g745U5F23263; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g745ObF22250 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:24:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB477E60232; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:27:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00c501c23b77$29c63dc0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> <3D4C9A90.EF61BC57@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:24:10 -0400 Status: RO Cynthia, My Thames and Hudson fashion dictionary says 1914 and credits Mary Phelps Jacobs as the creator of the bra. But I remember there is a song by Bette Midler about the invention of the bra. It was on one of her concert videos. Anyways, it was funny. Does anyone remember it... if not, I will go dig up the video. I was looking through some very early 1900ish Delineators this morning, and there are several ads for what looked like bras. I can't recall exactly what they were called but I think they were enhancers or supporters. BUT they had two cups. Now that I think of it was 1904 or 1905 Delineators. A couple of years ago, I saw ads for this same style in metal. What caught my eye this morning, was that these were not metal but the same style but fabric. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 02:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26249 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:14:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74644E17489; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:04:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74643F29679; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g745sDF27817 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A2376820262; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] A Great Deal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:53:45 -0400 Status: RO I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's attic. a. They are wanting me to purchase it. OR b. They are wanting me to appraise it. A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second half of the payment. The seller agreed. Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! They are wonderful!!! Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:04:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01985 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:04:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g747s4E20495; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g747s3F18752; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747hoF17200 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804074350.46754.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:43:50 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4C8DC3.426ACBEE@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:43:50 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > What are the dimensions of England, anyways? > --Sue, trying to gain some sort of geographical perspective.... Uh, I don't have a clue, but it's small, much smaller than germany where I come from. Ireland rthough is even smaller, took two hours with a bus that stopped at every nook and crammy to cross the island from Dublin to Galway. I just found this really good web page, that gives you a very good idea of things: http://www.studyabroad-cis.com/greatbritain.html actually, I didn't know either quite what the differences are between Great Britian and United Kingdom. Well, I live in England anyway, and as everyone is probably aware of, England is the 'core' and together with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland it makes Great Britian. Uh, you ppl in the latters, please don't take the word 'core' politically, I just couldn't think of a better word. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01995 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g747sLE20516; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g747sKF18820; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:54:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747rFF18631 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:53:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:53:14 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:53:14 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Betsy Marshall wrote: > "In America 100 years is a long time. > In England 100 miles is a long distance." > it's all due to your frame of reference... > Betsy Oh yes, and even 'worse' Australians, I talked to a re-enactment friend and she said they are going drive (!) 1.600 km to visit their parents for a week. WAH! That's from London to Moscow!!! I wouldn't in my life dream of driving to Moscow, and they happily drive 900 km for a weekend out in Sydney or a re-enactment. Holy cow! Nicole - who LOVES wide open unpopulated spaces, but can't get that here, though can in Norway. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:16:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02075 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74865E21335; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74864F20854; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747tcF19018 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804075538.87890.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:55:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <163.11b699eb.2a7dbd26@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:55:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Many flags were made of silk, and many silk textiles are not aging well. > Most of you are probably aware of many late 19th century, or even 20th > century, silk garments that are shattering. So the decision not to display > this one could be very wise. Also, most collections now try to rotate all > the textiles that are on view, to limit the exposure to light and the stress > of display. > Ann Wass Yes Ann, thanks, I know all that BUT have you ever seen the large collections of shattering silk flags displayed in English museums and of course also those out of commission hanging in churches for centuries until they have turned into dust? Well, of course they have to be returned to a church when they are no longer used by the regiment. *S* I do understand though if you have ONE special flag you don't want it to turn into dust, certainly not. Nicole - with a shattering silk fan which will one day be dust too. *sniffle* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:17:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02081 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:17:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7486VE21375; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7486VF20963; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g747vmF19473 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804075747.77127.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:57:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4C5C69.C218B47@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:57:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Howdy. ;) I never heard anyone say that in 'real life' only in films. :-) > Texas' war of independence from Mexico culminated in victory (for Texas) > in 1836. (Mexico had only won its independence from Spain fifteen years > previously.) It seems likely that this was the war in question. A > synopsis of the six flags of Texas can be seen here: > http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm Thanks Melanie, that was an intersting page, never knew all that, as I said, my knowledge of US history is non-existent but I am always happy to learn bits. I do like the 'Texas under French rule' flag *grins* Now that's a surprise... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:23:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02404 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:23:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748DIE21521; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748DFF22080; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:13:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7480YF19940 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804080033.70252.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:00:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: State History Museums To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4C52BF.2070406@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:00:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > It does also depend a bit on where you are in the USA. I'm in New York > City, and we aren't all that impressed by 19th century... plenty of that > around! 18th century varies... I have to say the absolute BEST 19th century silks, embroideries, metal tassels and laces, linen laces, feathers that I get from ebay are all from America. I think Europe threw it all away being 'old tat' or something, but the treasures that come to light from the US on ebay are just amazing. > And our Museum of the City of New York certainly has many things in it > that were not produced here. They have an extensive collection of 17th > century articles from the Netherlands, which were brought here by > settlers when this area was first colonized as New Amsterdam. These > things were used here, but not made here. Since the city was founded as > a seaport and trading post, and has flourished as such ever since > (though our methods of trade and transportation have changed *G* ), our > history would not be complete without evidence of that trade, which has > always been more important to the city than actual manufacture. (Design, > yes. Manufacture, no...) Absolutely, and it IS in my opinion then of utmost local importance, after all, it was the people who lived there. Now which museums had the two mantuas from Europe... was one Los Angeles? Hmm... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:28:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02431 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:28:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748HNE21637; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748HNF22741; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7482sF20338 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:02:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804080253.70313.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:02:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Battle of San Jacinto was: State History Museums To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <042501c23b36$25507da0$448077d8@wt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:02:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Verschoor wrote: > To bring this back to the topic of costuming - this battle is reenacted > every year in (of course) period costume. Photos of this years reneactment > can be found on my web page under 2002 projects. > Karen Verschoor > Houston, TX > http://kverschoor0.tripod.com/home.htm Thankls karen, but talks about museums, history, geography, artefacts, old or new, countries etc. ARE on topic. Why would that be off topic? It is extremely important to know about providence of an object I think, and if it was bought into a museum after the period of the object or if the object in question was used within the period in a given place. I think it makes a huge difference. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:28:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02435 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748HTE21649; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748HRF22760; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7485mF20787 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804080548.78051.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:05:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <042101c23b35$1d37d920$448077d8@wt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:05:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Verschoor wrote: > The flag in question was from the Battle of San Jacinto that occurred in > 1836. Battle of San Jacinto? This was the battle where Sam Houston and his fellow "Texians" Sam Houston? > effected their revenge on Santa Anna for the Alamo. Santa Anna? Alamo????? Santa Anna was > literally caught with his pants down as he was being entertained that > afternoon in his tent by a local "mulatto" slave girl nicknamed "The Yellow > Rose". Oh, is this why there's the song 'the yellow rose of texas?' Lovely costume, Karen, I don't like the period at all, but I can tell that you DO like just like a painting, well done! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 04:50:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02505 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g748dlE22019; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g748dkF26279; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g748LdF23430 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 02:21:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:21:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:21:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Glenda, I did quote you right, didn't I, in my last post? The 1600 and 900 km distances. My head is still reeling from that. Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which period. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 06:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02752 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74A9CE24755; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74A9BF14180; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74A42F13259 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:04:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE52210F31B for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5866E10F0E9 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013b01c23b9d$f859e3a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> <3D4C9A90.EF61BC57@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:01:57 -0400 Status: RO The frustrating this is, I just read an article about this within the last week...and do you think I can remember the name of the woman, or WHERE I read this information? Arrgh!! As for the age of our country--we may be a very young country as yet, but our history is still of value. The teenager is as valuable as a person as the great-grandparent. Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to get to Europe and so some exploring! Dianne > > Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always > > wondered: who invented brassieres and when? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 06:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02862 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74AW3E25225; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AW3F18193; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AOmF16960 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEDB10F348 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1226610F345 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01c801c23ba0$df576cd0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:22:44 -0400 Status: RO There are Ren Faires everywhere now. There are two in Pennsylvania that I know of, and I think (not sure, now) that almost every state has at least one. I used to love the one in Michigan. Unfortunately, my favorite act doesn't play the PA Faire--it conflicts with the Texas Faire, which is much bigger. (sigh.) Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world > Glenda, I did quote you right, didn't I, in my last post? The 1600 and 900 km > distances. My head is still reeling from that. > > Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have > those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and > also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' > on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love > looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on > Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which > period. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 06:42:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA02867 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74AWDE25245; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AWCF18233; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74ARiF17484 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804102743.22628.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:27:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <013b01c23b9d$f859e3a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:27:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > As for the age of our country--we may be a very young country as yet, but > our history is still of value. The teenager is as valuable as a person as > the great-grandparent. Dianne, no one ever said it wasn't of value. So please don't feel it was implied, because I don't think that it was. I'm just not particularly interested, that is a completely different thing and absolutely personal, because I am not interested in anything after the 17th century (well, 1715) and your country just doesn't really have anything of interested until the 17th, other than the original inhabitants before they were decimated. I'm just not interested in Native American, we all have different interests, wouldn't it be terrible if we all had the same??? Oh how boring the world would be without diversity. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 07:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02963 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74B64E26213; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74B63F24238; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AubF22525 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:56:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-37kbari.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.171.114] helo=AlphaB) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bJ3r-0006vG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 06:56:36 -0400 From: "Ann Neff" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Message-ID: <000001c23ba5$9af90990$72ab45cf@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:56:35 -0400 Status: RO The SCRIBE network is a good place to start --it is a huge database of Renaissance Festivals all over the USA and Canada. http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/ Most of the Renaissance Festivals have their own websites, and there are many customers/patrons who have sites full of pictures. You must remember that every Renaissance Festival exists for the public, so there are theatrical choices made in costuming, characters, etc. Some faires are more historically focused than others: The Maryland Renaissance Festival (MDRF) moves along through Henry VIII's reign a year each calendar year, but my home festival, the Georgia Renaissance Festival (GARF), is more fantasy. At every faire, there will be patrons who are better dressed than the performers, but patrons have more money to put into their clothing, and don't work in their clothes all weekend in 95 degrees F/35 Celsius weather. Ann Neff SCRIBE associate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:22 AM To: H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which period. Nicole __ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 07:38:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03115 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:38:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74BS9E26636; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74BS3F27845; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74BILF26280 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804111820.94412.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:18:20 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000001c23ba5$9af90990$72ab45cf@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:18:20 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thanks Ann! That's a great link, I'll have a blast in the next weeks looking through the sites and pictures. Ohhh, I see now, so the people like most of you here on the list are patrons and not performers? I didn't know there were performers!!! I only heard of the odd costuming guild and thougght that only exists for Bristol faire. I thought it's like a re-enactment, but different. (uhm, yes) Where everyone comes in period costume. Oh I see, patrons are in costume and costumers mostly, performers perform something (I don't have a clue what?) and then there are visitors in their every day clothing? Do the visitors pay to get in? Do costumed patrons pay? So many questions... Nicole --- Ann Neff wrote: > The SCRIBE network is a good place to start --it is a huge database of > Renaissance Festivals all over the USA and Canada. > http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/ > > Most of the Renaissance Festivals have their own websites, and there are > many customers/patrons who have sites full of pictures. You must > remember that every Renaissance Festival exists for the public, so there > are theatrical choices made in costuming, characters, etc. Some faires > are more historically focused than others: The Maryland Renaissance > Festival (MDRF) moves along through Henry VIII's reign a year each > calendar year, but my home festival, the Georgia Renaissance Festival > (GARF), is more fantasy. At every faire, there will be patrons who are > better dressed than the performers, but patrons have more money to put > into their clothing, and don't work in their clothes all weekend in 95 > degrees F/35 Celsius weather. > > Ann Neff > SCRIBE associate ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 07:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03213 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:56:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Bk0E27042; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:46:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74BjxF01037; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74BcBF29642 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 05:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0B0055269FB9@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings In-reply-to: <20020803.192648.-104109.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020804002912.00dd09b0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 00:30:57 -0700 Status: RO >Obligatory costume content, and it's a silly question, but I've always >wondered: who invented brassieres and when? The rumor is that Howard Hughes invented the come-shaped modern bra for Jane Russell, but bra-like things existed back into the 1920s when corsets got short. Look up that corset website - they'll know, and I bet they'll have a picture of it too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 08:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03282 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:12:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74C2DE27371; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74C2CF03605; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:02:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74C0oF03342 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 06:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-37kbari.dialup.mindspring.com ([207.69.171.114] helo=AlphaB) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bK3z-0007w9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:00:48 -0400 From: "Ann Neff" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Message-ID: <000001c23bae$916a8260$72ab45cf@AlphaB> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020804111820.94412.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:00:44 -0400 Status: RO >From what I've read on this list, some are cast members of faires (Bristol is one of the more accurate faires), and the others are patrons. Actually, *customers* are not listed in the SCRIBE -- you must be a participant in some form, but that covers a wide range of involvement. There are musicians, jugglers, sword comedy acts, birds of prey shows, etc, who perform, cast members who portray historic figures (or not historic!), and vendors. I work for a vendor, so I am a "boothie." A faire is supposedly a small village, and the boothowners are the shop keepers/food vendors. There are wide variations between faires - the California faires are very different from most of the rest of the country. Most customers are t-shirt and jeans once-a-season visitor, but those who come often and in costume are called patrons (or playtrons). They have no costuming guidelines and can wear whatever they please, so you can stand in one place and looking around, see a party dressed in exquisite reproduction of Elizabeth I paintings, Klingons (StarTrek) in kilts, and chain mail bikinis (I kid you not). To avoid brain bleed from all the anomalies, I think of our faire as being a nexus, a little crossroad in time, where we're all just trying to make a living. :-) http://www.renfair.com/ is the home page for four of the best faires - two in California, as well as Bristol (near Chicago) and New York (state, not city). Ann -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-admin@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world Thanks Ann! That's a great link, I'll have a blast in the next weeks looking through the sites and pictures. Ohhh, I see now, so the people like most of you here on the list are patrons and not performers? I didn't know there were performers!!! I only heard of the odd costuming guild and thougght that only exists for Bristol faire. I thought it's like a re-enactment, but different. (uhm, yes) Where everyone comes in period costume. Oh I see, patrons are in costume and costumers mostly, performers perform something (I don't have a clue what?) and then there are visitors in their every day clothing? Do the visitors pay to get in? Do costumed patrons pay? So many questions... Nicole --- Ann Neff wrote: > The SCRIBE network is a good place to start --it is a huge database of > Renaissance Festivals all over the USA and Canada. > http://www.faire.net/SCRIBE/ > > Most of the Renaissance Festivals have their own websites, and there > are many customers/patrons who have sites full of pictures. You must > remember that every Renaissance Festival exists for the public, so > there are theatrical choices made in costuming, characters, etc. Some > faires are more historically focused than others: The Maryland > Renaissance Festival (MDRF) moves along through Henry VIII's reign a > year each calendar year, but my home festival, the Georgia Renaissance > Festival (GARF), is more fantasy. At every faire, there will be > patrons who are better dressed than the performers, but patrons have > more money to put into their clothing, and don't work in their clothes > all weekend in 95 degrees F/35 Celsius weather. > > Ann Neff > SCRIBE associate ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 09:19:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03503 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74D9CE29126; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74D9BF15237; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.180]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g749ocF06762 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 03:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1878.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.86] helo=oemcomputer) by imailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bI1z-00007F-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BA7.096B4F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:06:52 +0100 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BA7.096B4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Morning all, Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? 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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C23BA7.096B4F40-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 09:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03512 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74D9QE29148; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74D9PF15282; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:09:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74AH6F15717 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:17:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-3444.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.45.116] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bIRc-0007YX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:17:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001601c23ba2$5ca122c0$561786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <000f01c23af0$2b5a5ea0$6501a8c0@Home> <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:48 +0100 Status: RO Hello Jean I come across a couple of illustrations, although I don't think they're on-line. I think fc's were worn under the coif. The Ter Borch shows the fc coming down quite low but I've seen others that only just peep out. Here's the references:- Franits, W E "Paragons of Virtue, Women and Domesticity in C17th Dutch Art" p 79. "Seamstress by a Cradle" by Gerard ter Borch Buck, A "Clothes and the Child", p189, Mary & Edward Southcote, 1662, at Ingatestone Hall, Essex Garland, M "The Changing Face of Childhood", p109, "Child with Dog" Dutch School, Bearsted Collection Sorry I can't help with more illustrations at the moment, I'm frantically trying to finish a bodice for my baby and she's teething ! Help! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Sent: 03 August 2002 21:52 Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Are there portraits of people wearing them? Did they go over the coif or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do forehead cloths work in a similar way? Jean Waddie Helen Edmunds wrote >Saragrace > >It's not a silly question :-) >Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. My >understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my >period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. Sometimes, you >can see a faint glimpse of these in the various images of babies in the >17th C. A friend and I were having just such a discussion yesterday about >how far over the forehead the fc came! We're not really sure, either! >Looking at pictorial evidence, it appears that they didn't protrude too much. > I've not been too much help, have I? > >Regards >Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Saragrace knauf > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: 03 August 2002 14:17 > Subject: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] > Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > Hi Helen, sorry I don't have an answer, but a kind of silly question. I > have seen these forehead cloths for years, but always lying flat (to > display embellishment usually). I have always wondered how they > were worn. I may have seen them on someone and not known what I > was looking at. I conjectured in my own mind that they might have > been worn in conjunction with an attifet or coif since you often see > them together. Assuming we are talking about the same thing-a > triangular piece of fabric-,was the pointy end worn to the back of the > head (like a kerchief) or did it dangle over the forehead-(hence the > name?) Thanks in ad vance, > > > Saragrace > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-admin@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-admin@indra.com] On Behalf Of Helen Partner >> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:31 AM >> To: h-costume@net.indra.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > >> Hello everyone, >> >> May I quickly introduce myself as a new subscriber? I'm a UK 17th >> Century re-enactor (civilian)who is passionate about creating >> clothing that's as near to being an accurate a facsimile as possible. >> I've got two children (one 8 and one 5 months) and so my life is >> always busy! >> >> I wonder if someone could help with a couple of queries? Does >> anyone know whether forehead cloths were de rigeur for both indoor >> and outdoor use, both children as well as babies (babies I know >> about) and pervaded all levels of the social strata? I know it's asking >> a lot, but any help is appreciated. >> >> Thanks -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 09:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03646 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:46:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74DaHE00175; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74DaFF20092; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:36:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74DVtF19304 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AD7D135016C; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 08:34:53 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c23bbb$3f3423e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <4.3.1.2.20020804002912.00dd09b0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:31:32 -0400 Status: RO I have images in 1922 & 23 catalogs of bras in all shapes and sizes. Lots of them! I get a good giggle from them. They will all go up on the "Year in Fashion" for our Costume Society Grant. Kayta, I am so excited! We get our optical scanner in two weeks! No more typing all the articles out! Thank you so much for the suggestion to get one! That will be around the same time as the two Balls.... I might be bubbling all over! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 10:24:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03815 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74EDmE01337; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:13:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EDiF26984; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74DpgF22778 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:51:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 14:51:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:51:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > > Regards > Helen Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate are going too. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 10:59:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04034 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74En1E02409; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74En0F03504; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sys27.hou.wt.net (sys27.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.27]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ea6F01303 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-128-142.ipset8.wt.net [216.119.128.142]) by sys27.hou.wt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA91799 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003701c23bc4$62ae15c0$8e8077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <20020804080548.78051.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:36:55 -0500 Status: RO > Battle of San Jacinto? > Sam Houston? > Santa Anna? > Alamo????? > > Nicole Santa Anna was a Napolean-like character in Mexico. As a successful military figure, he was elected to the Mexican presidency in 1833, but soon declared himself dictator. Texas was then part of Mexico and was settled by "Anglos" from the northeast and Mexicans from the south. Relations with the Mexican government and the Texas colonists went from bad to worse when Santa Anna came to power. The Alamo was an old Spanish mission located in the center of modern downtown San Antonio, TX. In early 1836, 189 Texian revolutionaries took refuge in the Alamo. Some famous characters include James Bowie (of Bowie knife fame), David Crockett and William Travis. They defended the mission for 13 days against Santa Anna and his large army. The Mexican army was successful on March 6, 1836 and all of the Texian soldiers were killed. Sam Houston was a key politcal figure in Texas at the time. He lead the Texas revolutionaries against the Mexican army with the famous line "Remember the Alamo." San Jacinto is the name of a river near modern Houston, TX. The Texas revolutionaries (750) defeated Santa Anna and the Mexican army (1500) in a battle that occurred near the San Jacinto River and the Buffalo Bayou east of modern Houston, TX on April 21, 1836. Texas became an independent country and did not become part of the United States until Dec, 1845. Probably more information than you needed or wanted! Karen Verschoor Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 11:04:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04063 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74ErNE02526; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74ErNF04356; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:53:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EgGF02320 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust244.tnt3.st-louis.mo.da.uu.net ([65.239.203.244] helo=hppav) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bMaE-00089L-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:42:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c23bc5$96d78ce0$f4cbef41@hppav> From: "Genie" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: [h-cost] pattern age id Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:45:32 -0500 Status: RO Um, could you put them up on a web page so we could all have a peak?? Thanks, Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 11:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08144 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74F94E03026; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74F94F07239; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ev4F05135 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a239.in-tch.com [66.62.107.39]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74EgU901978 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:42:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:02:24 -0600 Status: RO I think, too, that how far people in the US travel, depends a lot on where they are. The county I grew up in, in Montana, is larger than the entire *state* of Rhode Island, for instance. I'm in the SCA, and I know of areas where it's really thickly populated, and people won't drive more than an hour or two to get to something, but then, they don't really have to. Where I am, it's really not uncommon to drive several hundred miles to get to something, yes, just for the weekend. Our next-nearest large groups in the same "kingdom" are 9 hours, 8 hours, and 5 hours away, and they're all over a couple of good passes, so add a few hours for winter travel. Nicole, how did you first get interested in historical reenactment, in the first place? Did you study history in college? I think that's what got me thoroughly hooked, although, unlike you, I've never been able to *settle* on a time period I'm primarily focused on. I just seem to like it all, although with the exception of topics like 19th c. immigration and ethnic/class stuff in the US, I'm pretty solidly anchored in pre-19 c. Britain/Ireland/Scotland. And I imagine that if I lived back east (a relative term--most of the US is "back east" for me, but I mean the East Coast, here), I'd probably be more into American Colonial stuff (the clothing's fun, as are the differences between colonial arts/crafts and European ones!). As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination of my loves of history and textiles..... --Sue, who needs to win the lottery so she can be a perpetual student, instead of this "making a living" nonsense....;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Betsy Marshall wrote: > "In America 100 > years is a long time. > > In England 100 miles is a long distance." > > it's all due to your frame of reference... > > Betsy > > Oh yes, and even 'worse' Australians, I talked to a re-enactment friend and she > said they are going drive (!) 1.600 km to visit their parents for a week. WAH! > That's from London to Moscow!!! I wouldn't in my life dream of driving to > Moscow, and they happily drive 900 km for a weekend out in Sydney or a > re-enactment. Holy cow! > > Nicole - who LOVES wide open unpopulated spaces, but can't get that here, > though can in Norway. > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:00:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08363 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:00:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Fo2E04506; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Fo0F15266; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74FcFF12973 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OpkbJIJzp58PEAQu6hbJADk="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9DMPKPL; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:37:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings Message-ID: <20020804.083721.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,10-17 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:53:10 +0000 Status: RO Diane writes: > As for the age of our country--we may be a very young country as > yet, but our history is still of value. The teenager is as valuable as a > person as the great-grandparent. Of course (and, btw, I'm an American too). One of the things I find fascinating about this country is its constant striving to be progressive while just as constantly striving for tradition. The latter is something many of us envy about the Old World, and perhaps explains why so many of us are re-enactors, recreationists, and history buffs! Re: costume content. Let me know if you remember. Thanks! Arlys ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:20:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08626 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GA7E05253; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GA5F19224; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74G4vF18137 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:04:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-64.152.168.188.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.168.188] helo=earthlink.net) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bNsG-0002So-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4D50B8.8010907@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] actual Texan here--OT on Texas flag References: <20020804075747.77127.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:05:12 -0400 Status: RO LOL! Don't worry, Nicole, that's the one many Americans don't remember, either! We get to five, and then start "Um... I said Spain... um..." French rule was pretty short lived. In answer to an earlier comment, we have 50 states. And all the areas have different histories. We all know the essentials that came with starting a nation, and have a general idea of the rest, but most of us don't (can't, really) know all the detail about the history of every area. The entire idea of The United States was a recognition that the original 13 colonies had different histories, somewhat different cultures (already!) , and different priorities. At the same time, more keeps us together than apart, always... So, yes, even clothing can be different in different parts of the country. Partly weather, but largely culture... to use some extremes, I , as a New Yorker, dress differently than the average lady from the South. Lots of black, (No, that's not just a joke) very few pastels, more tailored, less ruffled... You can spot tourists in midtown, because they are wearing shorts. We wear them in our neighborhoods, or if we are going to a park, but not in midtown! OTOH, I made the mistake some years ago of wearing a black sundress to a county fair upstate... I looked so out of place! Anne N Kipar wrote: > > > >Thanks Melanie, that was an intersting page, never knew all that, as I said, my >knowledge of US history is non-existent but I am always happy to learn bits. I >do like the 'Texas under French rule' flag *grins* Now that's a surprise... > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:46:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09267 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:46:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Ga2E06162; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ga1F24336; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f99.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.99]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GLFF21268 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:21:09 -0700 Received: from 65.67.60.170 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:21:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.60.170] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity of Lucets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 16:21:09.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1590830:01C23BD2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:21:09 +0000 Status: RO I also had some problems with that concept - even though I've never been off the continent, I have been to New Orleans, which was founded by the French in the VERY late 1600's, and became a US posession in early 1800's. The part of the US I was born and raised in is over 1100 miles away, and really has no seperate history from the US - Ohio became a State in 1802 - the country wasn't even 30 years old then. The flag being called "very old" almost made me laugh out loud, and did cause some snarky comments between me and my in-laws, who had driven down from Dallas, TX for a one day visit - that's a 3+ hour drive. :) Mary/Katerine >Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? >Oh >my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just >had >my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make >the >ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something >modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not >consider >cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late >18th >century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition >(painted silk). >This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and >values. >200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage >here, at >least amongst the historians and curators that I know. >Fascinating! >Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09377 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:50:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GeFE06354; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GeEF25209; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GRFF22564 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:27:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 39jz301 (dhcp065-024-177-132.columbus.rr.com [65.24.177.132]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g74GRE618071 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004e01c23bd4$12a05c40$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:29:08 -0400 Status: RO Greetings-- > As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into > clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any > definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination > of my loves of history and textiles..... I'm a history geek (PhD in it) and a craft junkie. I've been doing embroidery since I was seven or eight, and I learned to sew around the seventh or eighth grade. So I suspect my reasons are similar to yours... I think what really got me into history--particularly the earlier stuff-- as a kid was a two or three-week "Shakespeare in the schools" program when I was in the sixth grade--basically, we studied everything about the period, and then did excerpts from the plays in costume (the woman who ran the program brought the costumes). I was hooked. We started making trips to the Stratford Festival (in Ontario) just before I entered the 10th grade, and went every year for about seven or eight years after that. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:51:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09385 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GeLE06372; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GeKF25254; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GRiF22650 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-64.152.168.188.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.168.188] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bOEJ-0007eg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 09:27:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: References: <20020804074350.46754.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:27:59 -0400 Status: RO LOL! Now that, I can tell you... Actually, as things are currently, it has varied a bit, Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. If you add Northern Ireland, you have the United Kingdom. The UK began in 1603, when Elizabeth I died, and her heir was the King of Scotland. James the I of England, the VI of Scotland. He united the 2 nations, got an Act of Parliament, and ruled them together. England already ruled Wales, but I don't remember when that was officially added, or Ireland. Most of Ireland gained independence in the early 20th century, in a series of steps from Free State to nation, but the Six Counties voted to remain part of the UK. Sorry, I'm hazy on details and dates, 25 years since I studied this stuff... I'm sure some of our UK list members can add to this! Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they are not British. Anne N Kipar wrote: > >actually, I didn't know either quite what the differences are between Great >Britian and United Kingdom. Well, I live in England anyway, and as everyone is >probably aware of, England is the 'core' and together with Wales, Scotland and >Northern Ireland it makes Great Britian. Uh, you ppl in the latters, please >don't take the word 'core' politically, I just couldn't think of a better word. > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 12:51:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09389 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:51:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74GeSE06392; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GeNF25277; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:40:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix4.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74GTVF23024 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 10984 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 16:29:29 -0000 Received: from s13.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.63) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 16:29:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208041534.g74FYoF12184@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1420022==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] How I got involved Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:32:21 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_1420022==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? Well, I've always loved the historical clothing, as far back as I can=20 remember, and I come from a long line of seamstresses, tho Mom doesn't sew= =20 much anymore. I got to work at the Sterling NY Renn Faire when I was 17 (I= =20 think.. it's been a few years, lol!) and loved all the costumes and=20 clothing and some of it blew me away. The costume they issued me, however,= =20 didn't fit (and I was a size 16 at the time!!) so I got fed up, had a=20 friend of mine draft me a pattern, and I sewed myself a new outfit for when= =20 I went back to the Faire as a playtron. I've been sewing and playing ever= =20 since. My heart is in Elizabethan, however, I've done a cotehardie (and=20 found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the=20 experience...) and Italian Renn, and I've been eyeing panniers and pocket=20 hoops with consideration for years now. 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Well, I've always loved the historical clothing, as far back as I can remember, and I come from a long line of seamstresses, tho Mom doesn't sew much anymore.  I got to work at the Sterling NY Renn Faire when I was 17 (I think.. it's been a few years, lol!) and loved all the costumes and clothing and some of it blew me away.  The costume they issued me, however, didn't fit (and I was a size 16 at the time!!) so I got fed up, had a friend of mine draft me a pattern, and I sewed myself a new outfit for when I went back to the Faire as a playtron.  I've been sewing and playing ever since.  My heart is in  Elizabethan, however, I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) and Italian Renn, and I've been eyeing panniers and pocket hoops with  consideration for years now.  And Himself is into American Civil War, so there's something ELSE for me to research and play with (why oh why does he want me to do his uniform???  And where do I find the wool??  Agh!!)

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--=====================_1420022==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:06:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09786 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Gu5E07053; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Gu4F28233; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GaoF24520 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bON6-000GWh-0W; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:36:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:22:51 +0100 Status: RO Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, >  >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >  >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:16:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10030 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74H5jE07423; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:05:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74H5iF00140; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:05:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GaoF24519 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bON6-000GWh-0W; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:36:48 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@net.indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:22:51 +0100 Status: RO Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, >  >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >  >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10239 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HE7E07748; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:14:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HE6F01755; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f188.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.188]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74H1ZF29259 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:01:30 -0700 Received: from 65.65.98.112 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:01:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.98.112] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 17:01:30.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[94417E10:01C23BD8] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:01:30 +0000 Status: RO Actually, some people from England aren't English - they're British. I met a man from up near the Scottish/English border not far from Yorkshire who told me about the first time he was called English here in the States. He thought they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English, I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England! Mary/Katerine >Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, >people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from >Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they >are not British. > >Anne _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:31:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10413 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:31:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HKvE08063; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HKuF03348; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:20:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f26.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.26]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74H6LF00308 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:06:16 -0700 Received: from 65.65.98.112 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:06:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.65.98.112] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: How I got hooked (was:Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic...). Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2002 17:06:16.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[3EA26F90:01C23BD9] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:06:16 +0000 Status: RO I'm like you - history and textiles led to a natural progression to historic clothing. That, in turn, has led me to pay more attention to modern fashion - I find myself noticing cut, drape or flow on modern clothes and then find myself trying to figure out how it's done. :) Mary/Katerine (who also dreams of Independent Wealth) >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any >definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination >of my loves of history and textiles..... >--Sue, who needs to win the lottery so she can be a perpetual student, >instead of this "making a living" nonsense....;-) > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:40:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10653 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:40:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HU7E08424; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HU5F05311; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:30:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HM7F03578 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804172207.63659.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:22:07 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:22:07 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Mary Temple wrote: > > they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English, > I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but > he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England! *laughs* I'm sorry mary, but being an Anglo-Saxonist (and linguist) by trade I have to say he let out big BS. Even if he claimed his ancestry back to the Viking raids and later settlements, which would be quite plausible (IF he can trace his lineage back which is more than dubious) and even if he goes back to the Angles, Jutes, or whatever you might want to have, it all ends up in the same germanic pool, just where the saxons came from too. I have to say though, I agree with him, be careful, never call someone from outside actually England to be 'English' they usually get quite stroppy, and I would too! If anyone called me Austrian, I'd get stroppy because I'm German, and vice versa. Anne was right, from wales is welsh, from scotland is scottish, from england is english, from northern ireland is... well I shall not say because I personally think Irish, but hey, too much political stuff in the baggage. Funny though that there's a National Museum of Wales, one of Scotland, but none of England! Hmmm... I'm a foreigner wherever I am, and I muse. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:51:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10928 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:51:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HexE08846; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HewF07713; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74GheF25879 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a217.in-tch.com [66.62.107.17]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74GTY920411 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4D5B1A.8E4F3F6@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world References: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 10:49:30 -0600 Status: RO I've never actually been to one of the full-blown, large "RenFaires," since I don't exactly live near a city with a large enough population base or tourist draw to support one. But there are a bunch, I know that. And, from what I understand, there's a whole subculture to them, just as there is for the SCA (of which I'm a member), or the numerous other reenactment groups, or the folks who do science-fiction conventions.... There are also a lot of art/craft fairs here that tend to *style* themselves as "RenFaires" or "Renaissance Fairs." At these, you get all kinds of local artists selling lord-knows-what...some of it's fun, some of it's completely tacky, and it has nothing to do with the renaissance at all . Our ethnic mix here is pretty strongly caucasian with some Native American, but we do have a small, strong community of Hmong and Vietnamese people, and the Hmong, in particular, show up at these local arts fairs with some interesting examples of their native arts. The "fairs" that pop up around here also have local food vendors, someone doing face painting for the kids, different entertainers, etc. Do you have equivalents to these in England, Nicole? --Sue, wondering if all the rain we're getting today is a prelude to what I can expect when I'm overseas at the end of the month?? N Kipar wrote: > > Anyway, what I meant to ask for a while now, is how many places in the US have > those Ren Faires? It seems to me there are some famous and really big ones and > also smaller ones? I hear so many references to 'going to 'insert faire name'' > on this list, but I am just confused by now. Would love to know, because I love > looking at photos from events, all sorts, and that would make searching on > Google easier. I also love looking at finished projects, no matter which > period. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:52:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10960 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Hg1E08897; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:42:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Hg0F07919; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HRAF04747 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:27:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:27:10 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:27:10 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell you... > > Actually, as things are currently, it has varied a bit, Great Britain is > England, Scotland and Wales. If you add Northern Ireland, you have the > United Kingdom. > > The UK began in 1603, when Elizabeth I died, and her heir was the King > of Scotland. James the I of England, the VI of Scotland. He united the 2 > nations, got an Act of Parliament, and ruled them together. England > already ruled Wales, but I don't remember when that was officially > added, or Ireland. Most of Ireland gained independence in the early 20th > century, in a series of steps from Free State to nation, but the Six > Counties voted to remain part of the UK. Sorry, I'm hazy on details and > dates, 25 years since I studied this stuff... I'm sure some of our UK > list members can add to this! > > Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, > people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from > Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they > are not British. > > Anne Thanks so much Anne, I am actually saving this email for reference! *laughs* Ha, and then of course you ahve the... COMMMONWEALTH! That includes biiiig countries like Canada (yep, they voted to keep our queen :-) and Australia and New Zealand and lots n lots n lots of teeny 9sometimes obscure *S*) small countries and islands. I know, coz I just watched 10 days of wonderful Commonwealth games from manchester, the opening ceremony was just wonderful. Lots of traditional clothes from the Pacific islands (uhm, was that the pacific? yes?) and the New Zealand men! WHOOHOO! *thinks she has to move to Kiwi land* Well, whatever it is GB or UK, I am sure to be one thing here, a *quote* BLOODY FOREIGNER! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:56:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11058 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HkCE09081; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HkBF08854; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HUTF05418 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804173028.81214.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:30:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: How I got hooked (was:Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic...). To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:30:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I honestly don't know, I have always been like this, no kidding. My mum keeps telling me (embarrassing childhood stories abound) that when I was 2.5 or so I watched a kiddies fairy tales theatre thingy and the Prince was dressed in pseudo-medieval and I could just talk and was shouting at the top of my lungs in child-speech 'I could kiss you! i could kiss you!' *groans* That must have been the moment I decided I'd go into historical re-enactment. Honestly, I always dressed mundanely in historical pseudo-costumes (almost always male) at school and uni, somehow taking the step into re-enactment when i realised this actually existed, was the most logical thing to do. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:57:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11080 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HkME09099; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HkLF08906; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HWOF05867 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13963 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:33:42 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:33:42 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Victoria Wickens wrote: > At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: > I've done a cotehardie (and > found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the > experience...) Well, that kind of statement can't be left alone. Lyrics? Tune? Inquiring minds want to know! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 13:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11087 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:57:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74HkRE09113; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HkQF08945; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74HWsF05978 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804173254.43222.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:32:54 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <003701c23bc4$62ae15c0$8e8077d8@wt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:32:54 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Karen Verschoor > Santa Anna was a Napolean-like character in Mexico. *big snippage* > > Probably more information than you needed or wanted! No no, thanks so much, that was great! History in a nutshell, I save this email too. Oh, and costume content: my my, didn't the guy playing santa Anna in your photos look yummy in his Mexican embroidered uniform. :-)))))) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:28:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11878 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:28:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74II6E10334; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74II3F15946; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:18:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74IAUF14376 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:10:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 24177 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 18:07:37 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082048.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.48) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 18:07:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020804130918.009eb010@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/sound.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal In-Reply-To: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:10:53 -0500 Status: RO Penny, Wow! This must be your reward for giving the world such a great web site! Sheryl Nance-Durst At 01:53 AM 8/4/02 -0400, you wrote: >I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still >can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me >about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's >attic. >a. They are wanting me to purchase it. >OR >b. They are wanting me to appraise it. > >A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of >Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I >asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. >He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the >years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I >know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, >and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back >for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of >my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back >an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that >price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! > >Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much >more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they >will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a >check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming >me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via >signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second >half of the payment. The seller agreed. > >Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. >Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! >They are wonderful!!! > >Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a >lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! > >Penny Ladnier >Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom >http://www.costumegallery.com >http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:55:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12525 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74IiqE11358; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IipF21914; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HdHF07320 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPLV-0006fZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:39:13 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 209.165.120.128 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Subject: [h-cost] Re: How I got hooked Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:39:13 -0400 Status: RO >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? Short answer: Renaissance Pleasure Faire North, Novato, CA. Sunday, October 6, 1990, around lunchtime. I was 12 and didn't want to go. Mom insisted. I went sulkingly the whole way to the front gate and then my jaw just dropped. And the rest, as they say, is living history. ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com "Absence of evidence, isn't necessarily evidence of absence." -Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:55:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12535 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:55:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Ij4E11381; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Ij3F21978; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IW3F19209 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-76.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.76]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g74IW22199036 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:32:02 -0400 Message-ID: <010101c23be5$3c409450$4c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:32:05 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into clothing/costuming/historical stuff?=20 I began this wonderful journey with the overwhelming desire to own a = 1920s beaded gown. All those sparklies, that swish and sway of = refracted light... I finally made my first 20s gown in the mid 1980s. = I've made three or four more heavily beaded gowns since, along with a = few dozen less embellished ones. I also branched out into Italian Renn = for faire and somewhere along the line I took up theatrical costuming. = (pics of most everything at www.cabbagerosecostumes.com) When I think about it, I think the clothes "then" are just more = interesting than clothing "now." In the theater I'm forced to jump from = period to period. I am fanatical about the look of a show being correct = (for instance, use of obviously 80s prom gowns in a 1930s show will = drive me over the edge, there might even be blood)... but other than = that, not really an authenticity seeker, per se. A good cheat to effect = the correct appearance is fine on the wicked stage.=20 I guess for me it's more about beauty (of the clothes), history and = just being a girly girl. Even at this age, ha! Every time someone asks = this question, I wonder just exactly how I did get from there, to here. = I'm not sure the journey was as important as the result. I am here, and = I love it. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes=20 http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Let me take you a buttonhole lower." Love's Labours Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare ------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get=20 into
clothing/costuming/historical stuff? 
 
I began this wonderful journey with = the=20 overwhelming desire to own a 1920s beaded gown.  All those = sparklies,=20 that swish and sway of refracted light... I finally made my first = 20s gown=20 in the mid 1980s.  I've made three or four more = heavily=20 beaded gowns since, along with a few dozen less embellished = ones.  I=20 also branched out into Italian Renn for faire and somewhere = along the=20 line I took up theatrical costuming.  (pics of most = everything at=20 www.cabbagerosecostumes.com)
 
When I think about it, I think the = clothes=20 "then" are just more interesting than clothing "now."  In the = theater=20 I'm forced to jump from period to period. I am fanatical about = the look=20 of a show being correct (for instance, use of obviously 80s = prom gowns=20 in a 1930s show will drive me over the edge, there might = even be=20 blood)... but other than that, not really an authenticity seeker, = per=20 se.  A good cheat to effect the correct appearance is = fine on the=20 wicked stage. 
 
I guess for me it's more about = beauty (of the=20 clothes), history and just being a girly girl.  Even at this = age,=20 ha!  Every time someone asks = this=20 question, I wonder just exactly how I did get from there, to = here.  I'm=20 not sure the journey was as important as the result. I am here, and = I love=20 it.
 
angela
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Angela F. = Lazear
Cabbage Rose=20 Costumes
http://www.cabbagerosecostume= s.com
Theatrical=20 Costume Design
"Let me take you a buttonhole lower."
Love's = Labours=20 Lost, V, ii - W. Shakespeare
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00FE_01C23BAA.8F7B5960-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12624 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74InGE11586; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74InFF22882; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74IeVF20991 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:40:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25626 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 18:37:39 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082048.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.48) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 18:37:38 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020804131753.00a01280@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/sound.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling & event photos from the world In-Reply-To: <20020804111820.94412.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <000001c23ba5$9af90990$72ab45cf@AlphaB> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:40:55 -0500 Status: RO Nicole, At 12:18 PM 8/4/02 +0100, you wrote: >Ohhh, I see now, so the people like most of you >here on the list are patrons and not performers? Some of us work at the faires, some just pay to get in and play. I work at one of the bigger faires - Kansas City. I know a couple other people that work at KC are on this list. But even before I worked there, I went in costume and played. >I didn't know there were >performers!!! I only heard of the odd costuming guild and thougght that only >exists for Bristol faire. I thought it's like a re-enactment, but different. >(uhm, yes) Where everyone comes in period costume. Oh I see, patrons are in >costume and costumers mostly, performers perform something >(I don't have a clue >what?) Okay...I'll describe to you what the Kansas City faire is like. The site is a partially wooded area spanning 15 acres. The setup is supposed to be a small village so there are store booths and food booths all around. (Kansas City has permanent wooden buildings. Some other faires have temporary booths.) There are also several game booths where patrons can throw axes, shoot arrows, etc. Then there are stages where musicians, jugglers, actors and other various entertainers perform every half-hour. Wandering through the streets are "street characters" - people employed by the faire to interact with customers and add "color". The king and queen and the various court members wander around interacting with the customers and performing pre-scripted scenes every hour or so. So people who are employed by the faire can be entertainers (stage or street or court) or boothies (people who help man the booths) or front gate (people who take the tickets and direct the customers). All of these people wear costumes. There are others behind the scenes such as security and coordinators who are not required to wear costumes. In regards to the costumes - all employees furnish their own costumes. They have to be approved by the costume mavens. Our faire is more of a theatrical presentation, so we are not held to strict historical accuracy. But the costume mavens try to keep us under control. (Right, Catherine?) ;-) An interesting note that many people don't know is that many of the employees - street characters and the like - are not paid. We get fed and we get in free. However, most of us would be paying lots of money to get in as customers if we didn't work there. Plus, as an employee the craft booths give us a 10 percent discount. Sometimes I think of it as a kind of addiction. After suffering through days of 95 degree heat (about 35 C, I think) and then days of rain and then some days with a high temperature of 40 degrees where cloaks and gloves are necessary, I swear I will never go back. Then in the spring I start looking forward to it again! >and then there are visitors in their every day clothing? Do the visitors >pay to get in? Do costumed patrons pay? Customers pay to get in. They can choose to come in costume or not. At our faire, they can wear whatever they want as long as it is decent (no nudity) and they don't have any weapons (no daggers, swords, etc.). At our faire, the customers can pay for a 1-day pass, a 2-day pass or a season pass that gets them in for all 7 weekends. >So many questions... > >Nicole Hope this explains it a little better! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 14:59:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12634 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:59:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74InME11603; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74InKF22910; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:49:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout5-int.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IWwF19362 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:32:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-76.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.76]) by pimout5-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g74IWv2227162 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: <010c01c23be5$5cf38d10$4c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:33:00 -0700 Status: RO Penny, That does rock! I think perhaps the costume gods / goddesses were looking out for you on that one. It was time for karma to roll back around. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] A Great Deal > I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still > can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me > about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's > attic. > a. They are wanting me to purchase it. > OR > b. They are wanting me to appraise it. > > A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of > Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I > asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. > He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the > years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I > know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, > and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back > for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of > my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back > an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that > price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! > > Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much > more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they > will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a > check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming > me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via > signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second > half of the payment. The seller agreed. > > Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. > Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! > They are wonderful!!! > > Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a > lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12780 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:06:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Iu6E11882; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Iu5F24356; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IXaF19525 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m149.in-tch.com [216.166.191.149]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74IJU912255 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4D74DB.B7954861@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:39:23 -0600 Status: RO Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: Alas, my love, you do me wrong, to dress me thus discourteously, For I have told you all along, it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P --Sue Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Victoria Wickens wrote: > > > At 09:34 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: > > I've done a cotehardie (and > > found it comfy, if not the easiest thing to sew... I even filked the > > experience...) > > Well, that kind of statement can't be left alone. > > Lyrics? Tune? Inquiring minds want to know! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:06:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12784 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74IuFE11901; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74IuEF24416; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:56:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from crunchy.sound.net (crunchy.sound.net [205.242.194.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74IhTF21620 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25745 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 18:40:36 -0000 Received: from tnt1-082048.kc.sound.net (HELO oemcomputer.sound.net) (209.153.82.48) by crunchy.sound.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 18:40:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020804134148.009eb150@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: sherylnd/sound.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... In-Reply-To: <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 13:43:53 -0500 Status: RO At 09:02 AM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any >definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination >of my loves of history and textiles..... >--Sue, who needs to win the lottery so she can be a perpetual student, >instead of this "making a living" nonsense....;-) Well Sue, I started as a child with dressing up Barbie dolls and designing my own paper dolls with outrageous costumes. I used to draw dresses and costumes for fun. Then I learned to sew and went to my first Renaissance festival. It was all downhill from there! Sheryl Nance-Durst _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:26:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12931 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JFqE12659; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:15:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JFoF28527; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:15:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HohF09877 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:50:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrwbc70 ([204.127.198.53]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020804175038.BDHX19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:50:38 +0000 Received: from [65.102.142.42] by rwcrwbc70; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:50:37 +0000 From: Gia_Gavino@attbi.com To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 29 2002) Message-Id: <20020804175038.BDHX19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:50:37 +0000 Status: RO Oh, Penny! Congratulations on such a *Wonderful* score!!! I can *hardly* WAIT to see what you do with them!!!! Giacinta (even though it's not my period I'm crazy/addicted to all historical costuming enough to be intrigued) > I came across a great deal that I wanted to share with you all... I still > can't believe it. People are always writing me from my website telling me > about a valuable antique fashion magazine that they have found in Grandma's > attic. > a. They are wanting me to purchase it. > OR > b. They are wanting me to appraise it. > > A couple of weeks ago a man in Canada wrote me saying that he had a bunch of > Delineator magazines and wanted to know if I wanted to purchase them. I > asked which issues does he have... I am really looking for 1920-1923 issues. > He sent me back a list by year and month of 108 Delineators between the > years 1890-1907. He stated that he wanted to sell them as a lot. Well, I > know what I pay for them, between $15 to $30 each depending on the issue, > and if it is in exception quality a lot more $$$. I didn't answer him back > for a few days, because I knew the value of that many issues was way out of > my price range. He wrote me back two more times. I finally sent him back > an email with a low price, $200, knowing that he would never go for that > price. HE DID!!!!! And he charged me $20 for shipping from Canada! > > Well then I got scared.... $200 for something that I knew was worth so much > more. So I asked him if I could send him payment by Paypal because they > will guarantee products. He didn't use paypal. I was scared... if I sent a > check or money order, it could be cashed too quickly if someone was scamming > me. My husband suggested that I send half the payment in a money order via > signature mail up front, and upon delivery of the magazines, send the second > half of the payment. The seller agreed. > > Yesterday I received the first box of magazines and today the final box. > Each box weighed 45 lbs. each. All 108 issues of the magazine were there!!! > They are wonderful!!! > > Now my collection of Delineators spans from 1880-1925 and is going to make a > lot of "Year in Fashions." What a great deal!!! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12965 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JLDE12861; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JL5F29791; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JGNF28672 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0C00LQM2V9AS@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings In-reply-to: <20020804.083721.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020804113245.00c5ece0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:34:39 -0700 Status: RO >Of course (and, btw, I'm an American too). One of the things I find >fascinating about this country is its constant striving to be progressive >while just as constantly striving for tradition. The latter is something >many of us envy about the Old World, and perhaps explains why so many of >us are re-enactors, recreationists, and history buffs! I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). I've also heard that the Japanese are big into Scottish anything. Both of these involve 'historical' costumes, I am told. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12970 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JLQE12876; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JLPF29892; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JGNF28678 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0C00LQM2V9AS@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-reply-to: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020804113742.00e05cd0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208041534.g74FYoF12184@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:43:44 -0700 Status: RO >>As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >>clothing/costuming/historical stuff? My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the UK), and she got me Davenport's history of costume book, still my favourite. This led to better Halloween costumes, to the SCA, to historical re-enactment and living history, to Ren. Faire and Dickens' Fair, and to science fiction convention costuming. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 15:48:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13029 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:48:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74JbME13463; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:37:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JbLF03512; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:37:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JJeF29423 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B626110EFDE for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 24A3410F3B5 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e401c23beb$9739dbe0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020804075314.38392.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <3D4D4200.CDCB6499@in-tch.com> <004e01c23bd4$12a05c40$84b11841@columbus.rr.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Relative distances and a new topic.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:17:35 -0400 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" To: > > As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into > > clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I'm not a fashion fiend, by any > > definition , so in my case, the historical costuming's a combination > > of my loves of history and textiles..... Many, many things--a love of history, reading, and sewing--how else can you combine all three? My 9th grade English teacher adored me--when we went as a class to see A Midsummer Night's Dream, I *got* the humor, and when we read Macbeth, I understood what was going on! A dear friend introduced me to the Michigan Ren Faire in 1994, and I've been hooked ever since. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 16:15:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13228 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:15:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74K53E14587; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74K51F09830; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JqAF06671 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:52:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-128-115.ipset8.wt.net [216.119.128.115]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g74JoTe4018830 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c23bf0$4fe82940$738077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: <20020804173254.43222.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:51:21 -0500 Status: RO > Oh, and costume content: my my, didn't the guy playing santa Anna in your > photos look yummy in his Mexican embroidered uniform. > :-)))))) > > Nicole > He was even "yummier" in real life. And apparently so was the real Santa Anna in his day. He was quite the ladies man. Although the 19th century take on the story of "the Yellow Rose" was that she sacrificed her honor for the good of Texas, modern day historians now see her as quite smitten with his charm, looks, uniform, etc etc and that she was more than a willing partner. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 16:30:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13340 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74KK3E15244; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74KK1F13247; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74JVYF02267 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531C10F02C for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E9C610F00D for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019a01c23bed$414bf4a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3D4D74DB.B7954861@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:29:30 -0400 Status: RO Oh, fie upon you! Now it's stuck in MY head!! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved > Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > to dress me thus discourteously, > For I have told you all along, > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > > Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 16:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13413 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:46:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74KZsE15930; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74KZnF17040; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:35:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74JeGF04134 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020804194016.53655.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:40:16 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020804113245.00c5ece0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:40:16 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and > into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). I'm German, but I don't have a clue! Have never ever heard of that, so I don't know if it is just a wild rumour or true. Funny though that in the UK there seem to be more American Civil war re-enactors than English Civil war re-enactors. *LOL* Ahh, but maybe one has to count all the Commonwealth ones, apparently there are quite a few English Civil war re-enactors in Australia and New Zealand? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C23BDD.47699C30-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 17:55:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13796 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:55:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74LiiE19078; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74LifF03477; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (smtp.netins.net [167.142.225.202]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74LbsF02027 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:37:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [167.142.12.66] (HELO hppav) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 122667053 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 16:37:53 -0500 Message-ID: <021c01c23bfe$a96b2ae0$420c8ea7@hppav> From: "Land of Oz" To: References: <003701c23bc5$96d78ce0$f4cbef41@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:34:06 -0500 Status: RO > Um, could you put them up on a web page so we could all have a peak?? > > Thanks, > > Genie I am not able to put up on a web page, but I did list it on ebay, which you may see here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128236152 I had intended to make some dresses for my daughter from these patterns, but she grew MUCH too fast. :-) Thanks for everyone's help Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 18:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13947 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:17:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74M6qE19924; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74M6pF08185; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:06:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74LrGF05434 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74Ld9923131 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4DA398.1C5F8D12@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk References: <3D4D74DB.B7954861@in-tch.com> <019a01c23bed$414bf4a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 15:58:48 -0600 Status: RO Aaaaah.....the relief is complete! I've passed it on, and I'm *free*! --sue Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > Oh, fie upon you! Now it's stuck in MY head!! > > Dianne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved > > > Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > For I have told you all along, > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > > > > Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P > > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:13:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14313 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:13:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74N3TE22362; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74N3LF20885; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74MuCF19005 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bUIF-000NjS-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:56:11 +0100 Message-ID: <9$KxUMEkCbT9Iw4q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: References: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:54:28 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell >you... >> >> Actually, as things are currently, it has varied a bit, Great Britain is >> England, Scotland and Wales. If you add Northern Ireland, you have the >> United Kingdom. >> >> The UK began in 1603, when Elizabeth I died, and her heir was the King >> of Scotland. James the I of England, the VI of Scotland. He united the 2 >> nations, got an Act of Parliament, and ruled them together. England >> already ruled Wales, but I don't remember when that was officially >> added, or Ireland. Most of Ireland gained independence in the early 20th >> century, in a series of steps from Free State to nation, but the Six >> Counties voted to remain part of the UK. Sorry, I'm hazy on details and >> dates, 25 years since I studied this stuff... I'm sure some of our UK >> list members can add to this! >> I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 (under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". But it was long before modern forms of government and parliament were thought of, so the King just decided, and England and Wales developed as one. Scotland already had a pretty good parliament by 1603, and by 1707, when the parliaments were actually combined by the Act of Union, they had a total legal system and other institutions distinct, including the church, and these carried on through. (Yes, just to confuse you all, Scotland has a separate legal system from England, and things that are legal in one are not in the other, and vice versa!) What is most interesting is how people's identification of themselves changes. In the late 19th century, in the high age of the Empire, people thought of themselves as British, they talked of "North Britain". I don't know if it has fluctuated through this century, but now they have polls that show over the past 10-20 years, more and more people think of themselves as Scottish (or English, or Welsh) first, then British. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:30:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14421 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:30:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74NJQE22945; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NJOF24351; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NE5F23176 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m170.in-tch.com [216.166.191.170]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g74Mxw908621 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:59:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4DB698.5C7EDD02@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:19:52 -0600 Status: RO Hi, gang. I've been doing some more cleaning, and I've got 3 Folkwear patterns, never used, that I'd like to give to some good homes. I inherited them several years ago, when a friend dumped a bunch of stuff at my house, and never came back (and won't be back). They're nifty ethnic patterns, but probably not something I'll ever have the time to create, even if I *could* fit within their size range..... The three patterns are: Afghani Nomad Dress Syrian Dress Algerian Suit (has variations for both men and women) If you're interested in acquiring one of them, please send me an email (privately), telling me which one. Next Sunday (Aug. 11th), I'll draw the names of the winners, and contact them to arrange mailing, which I'll pay for. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:45:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14497 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74NZAE23523; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NZ8F27468; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EdgF01927 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:39:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005 ([192.168.129.130]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020804143937.UTST16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:39:37 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020804143937.UTST16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re:Difference s (was Authenticity of Lucets) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 9:39:37 -0500 Status: RO > > Uhm, so the original flag would be just 200 years? And that is 'very old'? Oh > my.... I am trying to get my head around this way of thinking, but I just had > my seamstress cut up and put back together over 100 year old lace to make the > ruffles for my chemise for the mantua, and it seems like using something > modern. I have pieces of 17th century lace that admittedly I would not consider > cutting up, but instead I use them whole or for display, and have a late 18th > century fan, that admittedly I wouldn't use, due to it's delicate condition > (painted silk). > This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and values. > 200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage here, at > least amongst the historians and curators that I know. > Fascinating! > Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. > > Nicole The difference between Americans and Englishmen, Is that an American considers 200 years a long time, an Englishmen considers 200 miles a long way. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:45:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14504 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:45:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74NZNE23541; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74NZMF27517; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74EwgF05408 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 08:58:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out005 ([192.168.129.130]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:58:37 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 9:58:37 -0500 Status: RO > > From: N Kipar > Date: 2002/08/04 Sun AM 05:27:43 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings > > because I am not interested in anything after the 17th century (well, 1715) and > your country just doesn't really have anything of nterested until the 17th, > other than the original inhabitants before they were decimated. Actually, I think the 16th century history of North America is VERY interesting, and far more complicated than most imagine. Most of that is Spanish, but there are a number of forays into the area by the British, as well as a temporary colony in Baffin bay and the failed colony at Roanoke. Of course the 17th century history of British North America is very important to Britain herself, and affects the motherland in many ways. The mass migrations, the amazing rate that North America is being colonized. The effects of piracy on international trade. Look how fast New World items become popular, not to mention naval might built with North American naval stores. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 19:57:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14646 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:57:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g74Nl2E24005; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74Nl0F29994; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (ols.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g74NWSF26945 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:32:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 3948 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2002 23:32:26 -0000 Received: from s2.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.52) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 2002 23:32:26 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804191830.00ac64a0@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208041953.g74Jr6F06848@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_26795811==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Filking Cotehardies Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 19:35:11 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_26795811==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:53 PM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote: >Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: >Alas, my love, you do me wrong, >to dress me thus discourteously, >For I have told you all along, >it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > >Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P LOL, Right tune, wrong lyrics (tho those aren't bad!!). My first cote/gown was rust and green parti-colored... got stuck with all this linen from a client backing out of wench garb *sigh*. Never made one of these gowns before and so I was flying basically blind.. it's a very simple gown to do once you get fitted properly, but "simple" scares the heck out of me (give me a full 'Bethan or anything with multitudinous fiddly little pieces and I'm perfect). If anyone wants to see the gown, I'll find somewhere to upload the pics. Until then, I got so frustrated at the bloody thing that I filked it midway through making it, and once I filked it, the stupid thing went together. Robin, I'm going to send you the pics for your site, since I used your instructions (many times referring back to them) Tell me what I did wrong/right/what needs to be changed etc, but until then, here's "Green Sleeve": Alas, my gown, you do me wrong to fit me so improperly for I have sewn you oh, so long, delighting in the look on me Green Sleeve was my worst blight Green Sleeve my stumbling block Green Sleeve put up a fight Oh damned be this blasted Green Sleeve! I pinned and pinned and pinned some more the rust sleeve went in perfectly I threw the damned thing on the floor I've worked it until I can't see! Green Sleeve defied the pins Green Sleeve my worst headache Green Sleeve would not go in Oh why do I need the Green Sleeve? I thought to do the hem instead to give my poor wee mind a break I used up yards and yards of thread and sewed until my fingers ached Green Sleeve you hurt my head Green Sleeve you bloody thing Green Sleeve, I finally said "I'll wear it without the Green Sleeve!" At last! Success! I got it in! I triumphed o'er adversity! I used up every bloody pin That's done it, no more gowns for me! Green Sleeve I got you sewn Green Sleeve plague me no more Green Sleeve finished my gown I'm done with that cursed Green Sleeve!!! If anyone wants to record this, have fun.. I just ask for a copy of the finished music and author's credits. Vik, who filks entirely too much sometimes Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_26795811==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:53 PM 8/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like:
Alas, my love, you do me wrong,
to dress me thus discourteously,
For I have told you all along,
it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...."

Thanks *so* much, both of you! ;-P


LOL, Right tune, wrong lyrics (tho those aren't bad!!).  My first cote/gown was rust and green parti-colored... got stuck with all this linen from a client backing out of wench garb *sigh*.  Never made one of these gowns before and so I was flying basically blind.. it's a very simple gown to do once you get fitted properly, but "simple" scares the heck out of me (give me a full 'Bethan or anything with multitudinous fiddly little pieces and I'm perfect).  If anyone wants to see the gown, I'll find somewhere to upload the pics.  Until then, I got so frustrated at the bloody thing that I filked it midway through making it, and once I filked it, the stupid thing went together.  Robin, I'm going to send you the pics for your site, since I used your instructions (many times referring back to them)  Tell me what I did wrong/right/what needs to be changed etc, but until then, here's "Green Sleeve":

Alas, my gown, you do me wrong
to fit me so improperly
for I have sewn you oh, so long,
delighting in the look on me

Green Sleeve was my worst blight
Green Sleeve my stumbling block
Green Sleeve put up a fight
Oh damned be this blasted Green Sleeve!

I pinned and pinned and pinned some more
the rust sleeve went in perfectly
I threw the damned thing on the floor
I've worked it until I can't see!

Green Sleeve defied the pins
Green Sleeve my worst headache
Green Sleeve would not go in
Oh why do I need the Green Sleeve?

I thought to do the hem instead
to give my poor wee mind a break
I used up yards and yards of thread
and sewed until my fingers ached

Green Sleeve you hurt my head
Green Sleeve you bloody thing
Green Sleeve, I finally said
"I'll wear it without the Green Sleeve!"

At last! Success! I got it in!
I triumphed o'er adversity!
I used up every bloody pin
That's done it, no more gowns for me!

Green Sleeve I got you sewn
Green Sleeve plague me no more
Green Sleeve finished my gown
I'm done with that cursed Green Sleeve!!!

If anyone wants to record this, have fun.. I just ask for a copy of the finished music and author's credits.

Vik, who filks entirely too much sometimes

Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.cc
Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_26795811==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 20:42:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14945 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g750VkE26171; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750VgF10064; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75072F04220 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020805000657.HQJP23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:06:57 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c23c13$fcab38c0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <003701c23bc5$96d78ce0$f4cbef41@hppav> <021c01c23bfe$a96b2ae0$420c8ea7@hppav> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pattern age id MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:06:45 -0700 Status: RO Well, looking at my copy of _Blueprints of Fashion_, which is on the 1940's (there's also a volume on the 1950's which I don't have), I'd date the first (with the two boys and one girl) as 1947, and the second (three girls) as 1951-56. On the first, the pattern envelope design dates from 1947-56, and the pattern number 2022 fits in the range used in 1947. The second pattern envelope design fits the same date range, with $0.35 price patterns introduced in 1951. I can't see the pattern number on this one, and my book only gives pattern numbers for the 1940's, so I can't date it any more conclusively. - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:02:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15055 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:02:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g750pwE26989; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750puF14512; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.171]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74G9aF19125 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:09:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-2413.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.41.109] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bNwk-0002ae-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:09:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 17:23:28 +0100 Status: RO Hello All Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not "performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. Any takers? Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > > > > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > > > > Regards > > Helen > > > Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate are > going too. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15062 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:03:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g750r2E27043; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750r0F14773; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:53:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750cEF11374 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail020.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g750c8Q11504 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:38:08 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020804113742.00e05cd0@mail.frys.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020804122538.00ac0dc0@mail.broadviewnet.net> <200208041534.g74FYoF12184@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:31:24 +1000 Status: RO At 11:43 AM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote: >>>As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >>>clothing/costuming/historical stuff? I blame it on my teenage years. I lived in Kent, England for a while, mainly through secondary school. In second year we studied the end of the War of the Roses through to Elizabeth I. Our history teacher came up with fun projects including "researching" Elizabethan makeup and a trip to Deal castle where we dress up in tudor peasant dress (including a coif) and did dances (which I have later seen in period dance books). That plus wandering around Kent watching the various reenactment groups when they did public demos got me very interested plus the fact I love archeology and old languages. I still read a lot of history and archeology books. We moved back to Australia by my father's decree and now I'm doing a science degree (my parents choice) which while I can do, it my hearts not really in it and people keeping telling me I should transfer to arts and do history and archeology. I have a UK passport so hopefully one day I'll move back. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15200 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751MsE28248; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751MqF21059; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HfUF07832 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:41:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1995.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.203] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPNg-0005Ce-00; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c23be0$75a73280$cb2786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: Cc: References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:57:53 +0100 Status: RO Is anyone else bringing children? Or am I the only mad one! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Cc: Sent: 04 August 2002 17:22 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, > >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15205 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751N9E28262; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751N8F21124; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HfWF07851 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1995.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.203] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPNg-0005Ce-00; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:41:29 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c23be0$75a73280$cb2786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: Cc: References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:57:53 +0100 Status: RO Is anyone else bringing children? Or am I the only mad one! Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Cc: Sent: 04 August 2002 17:22 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Oh yes, yes, yes! I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. Anyone else? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Morning all, > >Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > >Regards >Helen -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:33:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15210 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751NIE28282; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751NGF21161; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g74HmXF09463 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1995.bear.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.39.203] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17bPUV-0006I3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 18:48:32 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c23be1$71cdfa80$cb2786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020804172207.63659.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:04:56 +0100 Status: RO Nicole "Funny though that there's a National Museum of Wales, one of Scotland, but none > of England!" Ahh, but there *is* an English Heritage! As well as CADW (the Welsh Version) etc Regards H ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 04 August 2002 18:22 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: > --- Mary Temple wrote: > > > > they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English, > > I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but > > he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England! > > *laughs* I'm sorry mary, but being an Anglo-Saxonist (and linguist) by trade I > have to say he let out big BS. Even if he claimed his ancestry back to the > Viking raids and later settlements, which would be quite plausible (IF he can > trace his lineage back which is more than dubious) and even if he goes back to > the Angles, Jutes, or whatever you might want to have, it all ends up in the > same germanic pool, just where the saxons came from too. > I have to say though, I agree with him, be careful, never call someone from > outside actually England to be 'English' they usually get quite stroppy, and I > would too! If anyone called me Austrian, I'd get stroppy because I'm German, > and vice versa. Anne was right, from wales is welsh, from scotland is scottish, > from england is english, from northern ireland is... well I shall not say > because I personally think Irish, but hey, too much political stuff in the > baggage. > Funny though that there's a National Museum of Wales, one of Scotland, but none > of England! > > Hmmm... I'm a foreigner wherever I am, and I muse. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:34:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15214 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:34:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751NbE28335; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751NZF21268; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g750H6F06866 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805001644.XPSQ22139.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:16:44 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4DC3E4.1050606@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Website links Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 17:16:36 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, I have been working on my webpage (I design and create beaded jewelry). I would like to add some the best webpage links that have to do with medieval and Ren costuming. Please feel free to share with me your favorites. Thanks! Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:34:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15218 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:34:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751O1E28396; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751O0F21401; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751D8F18906 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1D772E0254; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:16:07 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01c23c1d$34750e80$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00e401c23b7b$4c1117c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <010c01c23be5$5cf38d10$4c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:12:44 -0400 Status: RO Thanks Angela! I wish I had time to look through all of the right now. I am working on my 1920s ball gown. The ball is two weeks from tomorrow. After two mock-ups, I am moving on to the *real* thing. The pattern fits like a glove now. What I have seen scanning through the magazines, is great. It is wonderful to see a whole year at a time and see the fads and the evolution of the fashions. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 21:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15240 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751SEE28581; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751SCF22401; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751JWF20377 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16705 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:20:54 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets In-Reply-To: <000401c23bf0$4fe82940$738077d8@wt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:20:53 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Karen Verschoor wrote: > He was even "yummier" in real life. And apparently so was the real > Santa Anna in his day. He was quite the ladies man. Although the > 19th century take on the story of "the Yellow Rose" was that she > sacrificed her honor for the good of Texas, modern day historians now > see her as quite smitten with his charm, looks, uniform, etc etc and > that she was more than a willing partner. Wasn't it on this list a few months ago that we had a discussion of the term "yellow rose" and possible connection to clothing references regarding prostitutes? It was during that discussion someone noted that the famous Yellow Rose of Texas who distracted Santa Anna was most likely mythical. I heard exactly the same thing on an NPR radio interview a few weeks ago. The speaker was one of a team that had been researching the history of women spies, and said that they had tried very hard to find some support for the story of Yellow Rose and Santa Anna, but there's not a shred of evidence, apparently. But it's a good story, with a lot of urban legend archetypes (powerful man brought down by lust, lowly female who saves her people, etc.) so little wonder it has caught on and endured. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15393 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g751sgE29792; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751seF28474; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751RVF22162 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5377B001EE; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 20:30:31 -0500 Message-ID: <00d201c23c1f$377eba20$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <20020804175038.BDHX19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc70> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A Great Deal X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:27:08 -0400 Status: RO Thank you Gia! We have the 1920s Costume Society grant project to work on first. That will be massive undertaking. We are in the scanning process now. Then we are doing a 1920s Designers' Index. We have a grant proposal out for that one now. THEN we will get to the other years. Gosh, I wish we had funding to hire more people to work on these projects. But Susan and I are learning so much as we move through these projects. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15463 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752A6E00528; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752A3F01949; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751uHF28872 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.60.23dc1358 (4539) for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <60.23dc1358.2a7f3538@aol.com> To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:56:08 EDT Status: RO Hi all -- One of the best resources for finding locations of Renaissance Faires in the U.S. is the listings in Renaissance Magazine. You can see their website: www.renaissancemagazine.com. I live in the Los Angeles area and the origins of what is now known as "Renaissance Faires" began here in Agoura in the 1960s. It later transferred to Glen Helen Regional Park in Devore (San Bernadino) in 1989 and this summer we celebrated 40 years of Maytime faire! I have been working there for the past 13 years as a sign language interpreter for the stage shows. California, because of the reasonably good weather, is able to have Ren Faires from March to November. November - February is usually taken up with various Dickens Victorian Faires. I have a Fyne Hats By Felicity booth at some of the smaller California faires, but with my catalog (previously) and now my website I have been sending hats coast to coast. Anyway I digress..... Renaissance Faires are all over the US and Canada. In Europe it is more medieval faires and in England they mostly concentrate on their English Civil War Period, some medieval and very little (almost none) renaissance. I hope this helps to answer your query Nicole. :) Anon, Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:24:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15480 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:24:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752ESE00695; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752EQF02897; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out017.verizon.net (out017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.94]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75207F29715 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.135.96]) by out017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020805020001.NCBJ17610.out017.verizon.net@default> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:00:01 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020805015822.00732e68@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:58:22 -0400 Status: RO At 08:20 PM 8/4/02 -0500, you wrote: >Wasn't it on this list a few months ago that we had a discussion of the >term "yellow rose" and possible connection to clothing references >regarding prostitutes? It was during that discussion someone noted that >the famous Yellow Rose of Texas who distracted Santa Anna was most likely >mythical. I heard exactly the same thing on an NPR radio interview a few >weeks ago. The speaker was one of a team that had been researching the >history of women spies, and said that they had tried very hard to find >some support for the story of Yellow Rose and Santa Anna, but there's not >a shred of evidence, apparently. But it's a good story, with a lot of >urban legend archetypes (powerful man brought down by lust, lowly female >who saves her people, etc.) so little wonder it has caught on and endured. > >--Robin > Curious, my understanding was that a "Yellow Rose" was a mulatto woman. That might be supported by the original song lyrics references to "darkies" later balderdash typically to soldier. Cheers, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:32:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15529 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:32:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752LeE01100; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:21:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752LcF04624; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.wt.net (sys31.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.31]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751ugF28949 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:56:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kverscho (216-119-139-53.ipset19.wt.net [216.119.139.53]) by smtp.wt.net (8.12.3/8.12.2) with SMTP id g751uLe4032340 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:56:22 -0500 Message-ID: <005f01c23c23$6dffd580$738077d8@wt.net> From: "Karen Verschoor" To: References: Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Virus-Scanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:57:16 -0500 Status: RO She has a real name: Emily Morgan. If she is mythical, she is a well documented myth: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/WW/fwe41.html http://www.nwwin.com/morganspoint.tx/rose.htm http://www.markw.com/yelrose.htm http://www.texancultures.utsa.edu/publications/yellowrose/yellowrose.htm http://alamo-de-parras.welkin.org/archives/yellowrose/yelrose.html It appears the myth is that she purposely distracted Santa Anna for the good of the revolution. Current historians now see her as oblivious to the cause and one of many of Santa Anna's diversions. Karen Verschoor Houston, TX > Wasn't it on this list a few months ago that we had a discussion of the > term "yellow rose" and possible connection to clothing references > regarding prostitutes? It was during that discussion someone noted that > the famous Yellow Rose of Texas who distracted Santa Anna was most likely > mythical. I heard exactly the same thing on an NPR radio interview a few > weeks ago. The speaker was one of a team that had been researching the > history of women spies, and said that they had tried very hard to find > some support for the story of Yellow Rose and Santa Anna, but there's not > a shred of evidence, apparently. But it's a good story, with a lot of > urban legend archetypes (powerful man brought down by lust, lowly female > who saves her people, etc.) so little wonder it has caught on and endured. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 22:52:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15593 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g752g3E02142; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752g1F09974; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752Q4F05896 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.143] (as3-4-157.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.143]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g752Q3D22336 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9$KxUMEkCbT9Iw4q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> References: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> <20020804172710.13397.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> <9$KxUMEkCbT9Iw4q@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:54:36 -0700 Status: RO At 11:54 PM +0100 8/4/02, Jean Waddie wrote: >I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh >here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 >(under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". I'm not Welsh, but I'm a student of the topic. While the integration of Wales into English administration was a gradual process between the late 13th and 16th centuries, the key date is generally considered to be the Act of Union in 1536, whose effect was to erase the existence of Wales as a separate legal entity from England. The stated intent was also to erase the social and linguistic differences between the two, but that part didn't succeed nearly as well (thank goodness). Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 4 23:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15755 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g753CpE03576; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:12:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g753CnF16747; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:12:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g751vnF29199 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.135.96]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020805015743.OPAL18399.out012.verizon.net@default> for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:57:43 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020805015604.00733c98@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re:Difference s (was Authenticity of Lucets) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:56:04 -0400 Status: RO At 09:39 AM 8/4/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > The difference between Americans and Englishmen, Is that an American considers 200 years a long time, an Englishmen considers 200 miles a long way. > >Cheers, >Ron For what it is worth I posted this way back this morning. I have no idea why it took so long to appear. (Still even then it was dreadfully redundant). Along those lines, I am having all sorts of trouble posting to the list. Just about everyt other post bouinces back to me (though this last one was sent from work). I remain, Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 00:48:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16212 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g754cME07187; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g754cHF06458; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:38:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g754WuF05288 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from user-0ccsqh2.cable.mindspring.com ([24.206.106.34] helo=earthlink.net) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bZY7-000272-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Aug 2002 21:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4DFF9A.6C5FC325@earthlink.net> From: Charlene Charette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <60.23dc1358.2a7f3538@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: perronnelle@earthlink.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 23:31:22 -0500 Status: RO FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > One of the best resources for finding locations of Renaissance Faires in the > U.S. is the listings in Renaissance Magazine. You can see their website: > www.renaissancemagazine.com. I live in the Los Angeles area and the origins I missed the original question for this. http://www.faires.com/ has a listing of faires / festivals / reenactments worldwide. --Charlene -- As grown-ups, we never get to "wave bye-bye." I think it would be fun. "Steve, the boss is sailing for Europe; we're all going down to the dock to wave bye-bye." -- George Carlin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 01:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16334 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:15:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7554xE08201; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:04:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7554tF12041; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:04:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752KLF04336 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17183 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:21:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20020805015822.00732e68@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:21:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Ron Carnegie wrote: > Curious, my understanding was that a "Yellow Rose" was a mulatto > woman. IIRC the question first arose because someone was trying to connect yellow with prostitutes in some particular time/place, and someone else asked about the "Yellow Rose," who was presumably a prostitute. A more informed poster, whose identity I can't recall, explained that the so-called "yellow girls" were called that because they mixed race (as you state), and it wasn't a reference to the wearing of yellow. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 02:22:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28240 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g756BtE10584; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:11:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g756BqF26404; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g752jZF10861 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:45:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.171]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g752iE012997 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:44:14 +1000 Message-ID: <15fd01c23c29$ff015bc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020804082138.8640.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:44:15 +1000 Status: RO Nicole, > Glenda, I did quote you right, didn't I, in my last post? The 1600 and 900 km > distances. My head is still reeling from that. Yep. It's just what you're used to, I suppose. A group of reenactors from Perth come across to the East coast once every two years for our biannual 'medieval' conference. They travel non-stop for 4 days, stay for 4-6, and go back again. Last time for them was over 4000kms each way in a very packed motorhome, and yes, they were stir crazy when they finished the trip. (I'm fairly sure they passed the time by singing 1000 green bottles at one stage too!) On the other hand, we've been looking through the Ordnance survey maps of Britain trying to organise our tour next year and I was worried by travelling three maps-worth distance in a day - that is until I looked up the scale, and found it was only 200km! Easy! On similar maps of Australia you'd be looking at 500-600km, which is only a problem if you want to stop to see things! Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 02:23:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28905 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:23:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g756D1E10622; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:13:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g756D0F26593; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 00:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g755x1F23744 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:58:55 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 05:58:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 05:58:55.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EC7C810:01C23C45] Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 22:58:55 -0700 Status: RO Actually, when I was in Germany (1989-1992) our family's favorite daytrip spot was a place called "No Name City." Since I was really little I don't remember where it was exactly - it was a long drive, and the directions were somewhat faulty anyway - but I *do* remember that that was when I was going through my horsey-stage, and I had just discovered Paul Gobel, and was duly impressed by the *real* American Indian they had there at the park. :) He had an appaloosa and all the trappings, and if I remember correctly, his name was Buffalo Child, and he was Sioux. I remember being just happy to hear someone speaking English with a California accent again. But yeah... Germany loves the Wild West... I think there was even a popular kids cowboy cartoon show, something like "Cool Hand Luke". I would go on, but it'd get even further off topic. :) -Laura Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:40:16 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and > into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). I'm German, but I don't have a clue! Have never ever heard of that, so I don't know if it is just a wild rumour or true. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20133 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757S3E12977; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757S0F10524; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757FXF08190 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:15:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805071532.28594.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:15:32 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re-enactment travelling To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <15fd01c23c29$ff015bc0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:15:32 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Glenda Robinson wrote: > First of all congratuations to all Aussies for the winning of the most gold medals in the Commonwealth games. :-) > Yep. It's just what you're used to, I suppose. A group of reenactors from > Perth come across to the East coast once every two years for our biannual > 'medieval' conference. They travel non-stop for 4 days, stay for 4-6, and go > back again. Last time for them was over 4000kms each way in a very packed F... F... F... FOURthousand kilometers?????????????? *faints* Ohmigod. Okay, now that is taking re-enactment, history, historical costumes SERIOUSLY! Gods, Australia is so big, I can't even imagine distances like that. > motorhome, and yes, they were stir crazy when they finished the trip. (I'm > fairly sure they passed the time by singing 1000 green bottles at one stage > too!) *whistles and goes stir crazy just thinking of that song* > On the other hand, we've been looking through the Ordnance survey maps of > Britain trying to organise our tour next year and I was worried by > travelling three maps-worth distance in a day - that is until I looked up > the scale, and found it was only 200km! Easy! On similar maps of Australia > you'd be looking at 500-600km, which is only a problem if you want to stop > to see things! *laughs!* Are you going to Canterbury too? I'd love to meet up with all of you somewhere and go for a nibble and a drink. How's the stitching coming along? I took ben's red coat apart again to put more silver lace on and properly finish it. *groans* I hate doing that! And tehn I have to make all my skirts tighter because I lost weight. The later is nice, the former is most annoying. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27503 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:42:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757WXE13111; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757WVF11403; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:32:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PQF10058 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072524.UWZD28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:24 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Message-ID: <3D4E366E.2127.4BF698@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <001001c23b9e$a9276cc0$561786d9@oemcomputer> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:18 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 14:51, N Kipar wrote: > --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > > > > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > > > > Regards > > Helen > > > Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate are > going too. > > Nicole So far next weekend is only double-booked, not triple. I'll add Kirby Hall to the list and see how I feel and what the weather's doing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:49:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05285 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:49:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757cwE13302; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757cuF12526; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PSF10066 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072527.UWZP28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:27 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets Message-ID: <3D4E366D.19715.4BF4D5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <003701c23bc4$62ae15c0$8e8077d8@wt.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:17 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 9:36, Karen Verschoor wrote: > Texas became an independent country and did not become part of the United > States until Dec, 1845. The Texan Embassy building in London still exists, and is now a *very* good restaurant, serving "Texan" food. Yet more info can be found all over its walls. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:49:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05599 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:49:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757d9E13319; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757d7F12561; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PUF10077 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072529.UXAE28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:29 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Message-ID: <3D4E366E.10302.4BF847@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020804074350.46754.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D4C8DC3.426ACBEE@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:18 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 8:43, N Kipar wrote: > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > What are the dimensions of > England, anyways? > > --Sue, trying to gain some sort of geographical perspective.... > > Uh, I don't have a clue, but it's small, I can't remember dimensions, either, but I suspect a lot of the difference in how we see distances is due to time, not miles. Most of our roads not only weren't designed for cars, they weren't designed for horse and carriage, either. They've been upgraded, but the layout is still cramped. And we have a high-density population. So 100 miles is about 1.5 hours if you're lucky enough to get a motorway route, more like 3-4 hours if you're driving through towns, and most of the day if on public transport. 1.5 hours is a big chunk out of my life. If an event is 100 miles away, it would have to be pretty good for me to take the time to go there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 03:58:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17958 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757m5E13557; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757m3F14194; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757XcF11566 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:33:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:33:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <60.23dc1358.2a7f3538@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:33:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > > coast to coast. Anyway I digress..... Renaissance Faires are all over the > US and Canada. In Europe it is more medieval faires and in England they > mostly concentrate on their English Civil War Period, some medieval and very > little (almost none) renaissance. Thanks Felicity. Though I have to correct you on something, it's not mainly ECW in England, there are LOTS of Napoleonics, medieval, ACW, and in fact, almost every period you can think of. What we don't have here is faires, that's probaby because what we have is re-enactment. You are right about medieval faires though, you find lots of them in germany, and most are 'how the middle ages should have been'. *laughs* You are also right about the 16th century, or what American seem to call the Renaissance, which, technically and art historically isn't the Renaissance at all. :-) There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know whereand when to wear it. *pout8 Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a re-enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment groups and societies. All vistitors must be dressed mundanely. It's a completely different culture, re-enactment in England and Ren Faires in the US, and I tell you something, from the sound of it, I like both ideas! I wouldn't possibly want to live in a place where here is no re-enactment like here, but I would love to visit such a Faire, and wear whatever costumes I want and not give a rat's bottom about a little machine stitched seam being seen. *grins* Oh bliss. Can you tell my RSI is playing up again? ;-) Nicole - who just loves costumes. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:09:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA32115 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g757wxE13859; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757wvF16156; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g757PXF10088 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from master ([80.6.56.204]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805072531.UXAV28874.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@master> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:31 +0100 From: "Jane Williams" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Message-ID: <3D4E366D.4498.4BF403@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020804172207.63659.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jane@williams.nildram.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:25:17 +0100 Status: RO On 4 Aug 2002 at 18:22, N Kipar wrote: > *laughs* I'm sorry mary, but being an Anglo-Saxonist (and linguist) by trade I > have to say he let out big BS. Even if he claimed his ancestry back to the > Viking raids and later settlements, which would be quite plausible (IF he can > trace his lineage back which is more than dubious) and even if he goes back to > the Angles, Jutes, or whatever you might want to have, it all ends up in the > same germanic pool, just where the saxons came from too. I suppose it's possible that he's traced his ancestry back to before the Saxon invasion. Seems wildly unlikely to me, given the lack of documentation for that period, but you never know. Or it could be a reference to "English" coming from "Angle", and he's descended from a *different* bunch of Saxons....? Or Normans, going later in period? But to say there's *no* English blood, he must have traced every branch back: I'm impressed! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:10:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01326 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:10:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75806E13961; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75803F16451; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757ipF13679 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:44:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805074451.90741.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:44:51 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:44:51 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- vze2brpf@verizon.net wrote: > > Actually, I think the 16th century history of North America is VERY > interesting, and far more complicated than most imagine. Most of that is > Spanish, but there are a number of forays into the area by the British, as > well as a temporary colony in Baffin bay and the failed colony at Roanoke. That, my dear, is fortunately personal preferences, as I always say, wouldn't it be boring if everyone were interested/liked the same. > Of course the 17th century history of British North America is very > important to Britain herself, and affects the motherland in many ways. The > mass migrations, the amazing rate that North America is being colonized. The > effects of piracy on international trade. Look how fast New World items > become popular, not to mention naval might built with North American naval > stores. I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding dress, but vice versa. The few 17th c. paintings from the colonies I have seen did not show any particular differences. Anyway, what I research is not the colonies (why would I?) but Europe, Britain, Holland and France. Now, the use and import of cotton though, is another matter, and qite interesting, but I shall come to it after I have found the answers to a few other questions. :-) Actually, the import of textiles from places like India and even China are of greater impact and importance than the colonies. Sorry Ron, I just have no interest in America and probably will never have. No offense meant. It's good that others do, after all, it's your country, but it just isn't mine and shall never ever be. *S* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:14:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08970 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7584JE14622; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7584GF17357; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757r6F15139 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805075306.92693.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:53:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4E366E.10302.4BF847@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:53:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jane Williams wrote: > > I can't remember dimensions, either, but I suspect a > lot of the difference in how we see distances is due > to time, not miles. You are so right Jane, I didn't think about/realise that! It took us, when we did the event at Hounslow, 4 hours to get to it!!! That although it should have been 1.5, it was only from the Medway towns (south-east corner) to London Hounslow (diagonally up Northerly to the West). If you live in the South East or anywhere near a big city like Manchester etc. there is NO way you can ever know how long a journey will take. Every day, and I mean EVERY day there are holdups, accidents, even closures on the trafic report on the M25, and teh M25 goes all around Greater London and affects counties such as kent, Surrey, Sussex, Essex, etc. It is a nightmare, believe me, you lucky, lucky people with miles and miles of open space, it is a total nightmare to live here in that respect, and yes, the small size and utter crampedness of particularly the South of England is what I HATE about this country and I do want to move up North eventually, to Yorkshire. Love Humberside, enjoyed Hull, adore York and the Dales. Thus, often when there is an event we have to really think about it. For example the Wardrobe costume guild one in November, it means half way along the M25, and yes we really have to think if we can go. Journeys are impossible to ever guess, it has taken me 10 (!) hous before to get to York. So I warn you, all travellers, if you come to England and rent a car, please bear this in mind if you wish to visit many Costume related laces in the South and ave a tight schedule. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 04:42:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25278 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g758UvE15393; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g758UsF22278; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g757b7F12184 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:37:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805073706.91321.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 08:37:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:37:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > > I lived in Kent, England for a while, mainly through secondary school. In Kent's lovely, isn't it? Just far too many people and cars! That's due to blasted London. > second year we studied the end of the War of the Roses through to Elizabeth > I. Our history teacher came up with fun projects including "researching" > Elizabethan makeup and a trip to Deal castle where we dress up in tudor > peasant dress (including a coif) and did dances (which I have later seen in > period dance books). Ohhhh, Deal castle, it's a sweetie that one. My absolutely favourite though is Dover castle, the view from up there over the English channel is just magnificent! On good days you can see France (and dream of chocolate croissants...) > I have a UK passport so hopefully one day I'll move back. When you do, let me know and I 'force' you to come sew with me. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 05:58:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25770 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:58:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g759m4E17606; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g759m1F04893; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g759ajF02786 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:36:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb05la (unverified [10.1.200.108]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:32:24 -0700 thread-index: AcI8YwHKNgcJQ/TfTny85/qowv5gxA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away Message-ID: <00cc01c23c63$01ca9e00$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:32:24 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to have either the Afghani or Syrian dress, if you don't mind including someone from the UK in the draw? Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Sue Clemenger > Sent: 8/5/2002 1:21:52 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away > > Hi, gang. I've been doing some more cleaning, and I've got 3 Folkwear > patterns, never used, that I'd like to give to some good homes. I > inherited them several years ago, when a friend dumped a bunch of stuff > at my house, and never came back (and won't be back). They're nifty > ethnic patterns, but probably not something I'll ever have the time to > create, even if I *could* fit within their size range..... > The three patterns are: > Afghani Nomad Dress > Syrian Dress > Algerian Suit (has variations for both men and women) > > If you're interested in acquiring one of them, please send me an email > (privately), telling me which one. Next Sunday (Aug. 11th), I'll draw > the names of the winners, and contact them to arrange mailing, which > I'll pay for. > > --Sue > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would love to have either the Afghani or Syrian dress, if you don't mind including someone from the UK in the draw?

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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Sue Clemenger
> Sent: 8/5/2002 1:21:52 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away
>
> Hi, gang. I've been doing some more cleaning, and I've got 3 Folkwear
> patterns, never used, that I'd like to give to some good homes. I
> inherited them several years ago, when a friend dumped a bunch of stuff
> at my house, and never came back (and won't be back). They're nifty
> ethnic patterns, but probably not something I'll ever have the time to
> create, even if I *could* fit within their size range.....
> The three patterns are:
> Afghani Nomad Dress
> Syrian Dress
> Algerian Suit (has variations for both men and women)
>
> If you're interested in acquiring one of them, please send me an email
> (privately), telling me which one. Next Sunday (Aug. 11th), I'll draw
> the names of the winners, and contact them to arrange mailing, which
> I'll pay for.
>
> --Sue
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> h-costume mailing list
> h-costume@mail.indra.com
> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C23C28.556BC600-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 06:17:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA25924 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:17:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75A7CE18112; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:07:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75A79F08332; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10304.mail.yahoo.com (web10304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g759w5F06655 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805095804.26709.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.6.121.133] by web10304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:58:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208050529.g755TIF17524@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-207638814-1028541484=:26451" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:58:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-207638814-1028541484=:26451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be at Kirby, too! Camping with the Normans (same group as Jean), but having to work at my stall in the traders market, instead of re-enacting (which would be so much more fun!) Anybody who's there, come and say hello! (I trade under Deborah Lough Costumes). Nicole - won't actually have any buttons there, (apart from a couple of multi-coloured samples), as the wooden cores haven't turned up yet, but if you have the rings you ordered, I could make them over the weekend if you can get them to me, otherwise, I can send them to you if you mail me your address. (If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can always use to find in the evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be anywhere!) Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-207638814-1028541484=:26451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I'll be at Kirby, too!  Camping with the Normans (same group as Jean), but having to work at my stall in the traders market, instead of re-enacting (which would be so much more fun!)

Anybody who's there, come and say hello!  (I trade under Deborah Lough Costumes).

Nicole - won't actually have any buttons there, (apart from a couple of multi-coloured samples), as the wooden cores haven't turned up yet, but if you have the rings you ordered, I could make them over the weekend if you can get them to me, otherwise, I can send them to you if you mail me your address.  (If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can always use to find in the evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be anywhere!)

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>Actually, some people from England aren't English - they're British. I met a
>man from up near the Scottish/English border not far from Yorkshire who told
>me about the first time he was called English here in the States. He thought
>they were referring to someone else, because, as he said "I'm not English,
>I'm British. I have no Saxon blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but
>he claimed his ethnicity from further back than England!

I have to agree that this guy was giving you some serious BS!  First of all, I'd defy anybody native to England to have any kind of pure blood (or to be able to prove a lack of Saxon blood).  English people are mostly a mish-mash of all sorts of other nations (including Ancient Briton, Celtic, Italian (Romans), Germanic (Angles, Saxons, etc), Scandinavian (Vikings), French (Normans)).

Also, York (in British distance terms, at least) is nowhere near the Scottish border!  It's almost 200  miles away.  I grew up near Newcastle, 1+1/2 hours from the Scottish border, and descend from a family of border rievers, and I don't consider myself a borderer!  (NB border riever - basically cross-border thieves - at least my lot were, anyway!)

Debbie.


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Oh I do hope it doesn't rain - I'll never persuade DH to drive all that way if it's raining!

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> From: Debbie Lough
> Sent: 8/5/2002 7:00:04 PM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action
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> I'll be at Kirby, too! Camping with the Normans (same group as Jean), but having to work at my
> stall in the traders market, instead of re-enacting (which would be so much more fun!)
> Anybody who's there, come and say hello! (I trade under Deborah Lough Costumes).
> Nicole - won't actually have any buttons there, (apart from a couple of multi-coloured samples), as
> the wooden cores haven't turned up yet, but if you have the rings you ordered, I could make them
> over the weekend if you can get them to me, otherwise, I can send them to you if you mail me your
> address. (If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can always use to find in the
> evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be anywhere!)
> Debbie.
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(If you have a mobile my number's 0771 867 7871, which you can > always use to find in the evenings when I'm not on the stall, and could be > anywhere!) > Debbie. I have a couple packages of rings, just have to remmeber to take them with me! Will you be there in the beertent on Friday evening? I think I won't get into kit (nah, too much trouble) but I am pondering to get into my original 1950s British Red Cross Nurse uniform on Friday, but coupled with Army issue jungle boots coz I don't have the proper shoes yet and who knows, it might be muddy and wet... :-) So when you see someone in a primly starched pale blue uniform sans headdress (don't have that one either yet) and gleaming white pinafore and apron, but with scruffy black boots, that's me. hehe. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 08:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26698 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75CifE22980; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75CibF09013; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75CZfF07066 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 06:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 05:35:36 -0700 Received: from 63.12.14.212 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:35:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.12.14.212] From: "Rebecca Anderson" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 12:35:36.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[99038070:01C23C7C] Subject: [h-cost] distances in Oz Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:05:35 +0930 Status: RO Yes Australia is a big place. 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Holy cow! > >Nicole - who LOVES wide open unpopulated spaces, but can't get that >here, >though can in Norway. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 09:39:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26937 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DTKE24893; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DT3F20122; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DF9F16356 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g75D0w908878 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7BB1.F07B6351@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sorta OT pattern give-away References: <00cc01c23c63$01ca9e00$12c8a8c0@mail2world.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:20:49 -0600 Status: RO No, I don't mind at all! --sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 09:44:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26975 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DXlE25092; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DXjF21370; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DINF17238 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:18:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g75D4F909516 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7C7E.4F5ECB11@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT pattern give away References: <20020805110123.36899.qmail@web40303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:24:14 -0600 Status: RO The "R?" I don't mind paying postage...that's at least half the fun of giving something like this away. If you're a lucky winner, I'll email you, and let you know, and you can decide where I should send it..... --Sue marcus findlay-arthur wrote: > > Sue, > I know some folks down in Africa that would kill for > those patterns!The R is doing so badly and it costs > them an arm and a leg to buy/do anything right now.I'd > be happy to defray your expenses? > Personally I'd love to have a look at the Afghan > pattern since I'm looking for wintery stuff to cope > with garb here in the UK. > > If you want to get in touch my addy are; > > marcus.cuttingtable@virgin.net > mangal.kalima@virgin.net > > Thanks, > Marcus > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 09:44:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26979 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:44:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DY6E25127; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DY3F21478; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DRZF19741 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g75DDR911862 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:13:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4E7EA1.EC651D00@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:33:21 -0600 Status: RO Nicole, I feel just the same way about any of the nifty things I'd make from taking your class through Penny's classroom, or any of those droolsome sack-backed gowns and related clothing from JP's classes. What very little historical reenactment there is in my area is all pre-17th c. So...I figure I'm just gonna have some beautiful stuff hanging in my closet...*sigh*.....and the satisfaction of having done something really "new" to me! ;-D --Sue N Kipar wrote: > Friends do 16th century seamen, but > otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know > whereand when to wear it. *pout8 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 10:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27045 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:00:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75DoTE25958; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DoGF26104; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:50:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DZEF21862 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA95425 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:35:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk In-Reply-To: <3D4DA398.1C5F8D12@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > > > > Gack! Now all I've got in my head are muddled lyrics like: > > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > > For I have told you all along, > > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." ROTFL! Of course, we can't forget the chorus: Greenland's where they wore this gown, Men and women of all degree, Greenland is the place they found this gown that is not a cotehardie... Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 10:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27085 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75E4eE26979; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:04:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75DwaF28643; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10301.mail.yahoo.com (web10301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.79]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75DfhF23640 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805134142.65654.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.1.45.6] by web10301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 14:41:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208051023.g75ANJF11171@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:41:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >...You are so right Jane, I didn't think about/realise that! >It took us, when we did the event at Hounslow, 4 hours to get to it!!! ... >Nicole Ouch! It only took us 3 and a half, and that was from Yorkshire! Still, I suppose it's the main problem with living north of Yorkshire or south of London - the further you go, the worse the roads get (like the A1 - the main road from London to Edinburgh and its single lane for half its length!). Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 

>...You are so right Jane, I didn't think about/realise that!
>It took us, when we did the event at Hounslow, 4 hours to get to it!!! ...

>Nicole

Ouch!  It only took us 3 and a half, and that was from Yorkshire! 

Still, I suppose it's the main problem with living north of Yorkshire or south of London - the further you go, the worse the roads get (like the A1 - the main road from London to Edinburgh and its single lane for half its length!).

Debbie.


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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1654898623-1028554902=:65227-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 11:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27379 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Eu3E01731; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Eu1W22657; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75EfTW16344 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805144129.53673.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:41:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: More questions about forehead cloths To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <002701c23b4c$3fbe8900$dd7fbc42@mad.chartermi.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:41:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > When did people start wearing forehead cloths? Were they worn in public, or > were they more of an in private piece of clothing? I'm afraid I don't know when they started. certainly in the paintigs of the Dutch golden age, the 1660s and 70s, the forehead cloths seem to be worn by sick women indoors as well as reconvalescent women, for example after child birth. the next question should be perhaps, what constitutes a forehead cloth? There are other caps and hoods and coifs that cover the forehead but are constructed completely differently and are worn by all. I really don't know. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 11:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27440 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:21:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75FAlE03070; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75FAkW29943; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75ElvW18996 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805144756.48848.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:47:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:47:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Are there portraits of people wearing them? Did they go over the coif > or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, > and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing > hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to > the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do > forehead cloths work in a similar way? > > Jean Waddie Good questions Jean, we are trying to figure that one out as well. here are a few pictures though of sick women having their freheads covered. The date is in the file name. (Not every sick woman in those paintings wears one though. It works this way: when wearing a cloth she is sick. It doesn't work 'when sick she wears a cloth') http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-67_VISIT_METSU.JPG http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-70_ANAEMIC-LADY_HOOGSTRAATEN.JPG http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1700_NURSERY_NAIVEU.JPG Here is an example of the one I meant which s constructed differenty but covers the forehead: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_DOU4.JPG http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_STEEN10.JPG Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 11:21:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27446 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:21:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75FAvE03095; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75FAtW00205; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75EncW19757 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805144938.49043.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:49:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c23afe$e9729520$c41886d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:49:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Helen Edmunds wrote: > MessageSaragrace > > It's not a silly question :-) > Yep you're right, the forehead cloth is the triangular-shaped item. My > understanding, is that it was worn in conjunction with a coif (well, in my > period) and on the head with the flat edge to the front. I am wondering if what is seen on the pictures I just sent from the 1660s and later, is such a triangular cloth on those sick ladies at all or something different. Sometimes, you can > see a faint glimpse of these in the various images of babies in the 17th C. Not only that, there are quite a few surviving ones for babies. In the Guildford museum (visited it on Saturday) is a baby's layette from 1707. Most superb linen items! And of course forehead cloths. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 12:57:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28039 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:57:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Gl2E13533; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Gl1W24821; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GVaW15468 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:31:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21757 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:32:58 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:32:58 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO Sue wrote: > > > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > > > For I have told you all along, > > > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." Drea added: > Greenland's where they wore this gown, > Men and women of all degree, > Greenland is the place they found > this gown that is not a cotehardie... These verses sound hauntingly familiar ... but they're from two different lectures ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 13:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28122 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:02:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Gq2E14154; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GpwW27631; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GkxW24801 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.108] (pm4-108.eos.net [205.133.149.108]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22576 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:46:56 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208040223.g742N7F13106@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] "old" in America Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:46:18 -0400 Status: RO Sue Cleminger wrote: "When I fly into London at the end of the month, it will be the largest city I've ever been in! " Don't forget, Sue, that London is one of the largest cities in the world, so it's the largest city a lot of people have ever been in! I spent a summer studying at Oxford as an undergraduate, and I was amazed by how old everything was. Obviously I *knew* things were that old in England, but it's a different thing to experience it. And I'm from Pittsburgh, PA, one of the older states! Now I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, once the "Gateway to the West" and still considered the Wild West in the early 1800s. The neighborhood I live in was settled in 1813. So yes, Nicole and others, we think of things very differently from you in Britain or Europe. Our museums are different, too. For instance in Cincinnati we have had a very good art museum since the 1800s (mostly European works -- usually a small clothing exhibit on display) and a good Natural History museum for slightly less time. We have quite a few small museums, like a little downtown Fire Museum in an "old" firehouse (we had the first paid fire department in the United States). But only recently have we had a big History Museum dedicated to our area history. It's a fine museum and you should all come and see it! Our newest museum is a Children's Museum. Pittsburgh, a much older city, has an even newer city museum than Cincinnati. Also a fine museum. My point (if I have one) is that big museums about local history are fairly recent things, probably because we are such a new country. I don't know of any state history museums, although there are quite a few museums run by the National Park Service and dedicated to battles, presidents, etc. Gail Finke PS: We have 50 states. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 13:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28312 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75HNME17757; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HNKW15755; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:23:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HCpW10086 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805171245.XDGV221.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:12:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4EB207.6070603@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming , The Steps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] My website addy Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:12:39 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, Many have asked for my website address, so I thought it would be best to go ahead and post it publically again. Thank you for your patience and indulgence. Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html In the Service of Many Dreams, Roscelin de Limoges Rose Amberwulf _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:05:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28480 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Ht9E21158; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Ht5W03425; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HfaW25841 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.124] (pm4-124.eos.net [205.133.149.124]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14320 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208041812.g74ICmF14829@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:40:01 -0400 Status: RO Anne is right, we do dress differently in the different states. We also have many different accents, although they are not as distinct as British accents! If you watch commercial American TV you might think there are only about four or five accents. But one of the things I like about listening to debates in congress is that you get to hear so many different regional accents. In Cincinnati Ohio, where I live, people dress very dully. T-shirts and jeans most of the time, and even when we dress up it's boring. One state to the right, in Pittsburgh, everyone dresses with a bit more style. Pittsburgh is an "East Coast" city, albeit on the edge, and Cincinnati is Midwest. Go about 5 hours west to Chicago, though, and everyone is more stylish again. On my first trip to Florida I was astounded by all the Cuban-influenced (I guess) clothes. Things no one would ever wear here in Cincinnati -- bright, bright colors, very tight women's clothes (although that is now in here), white ruffled shirts, etc. You would stick out like a sore thumb wearing that here! A Florida visit last year surprised me because I saw so many people wearing Hawaiian shirts. I still don't get it -- Hawaiian shirts in Florida? My parents have been out West a couple of times to New Mexico and Arizona, and my mother reports that people there really do wear "Western Wear" -- cowboy shirts, tiered ruffled skirts, bolo ties, etc. Those things are sold here but I don't know where anyone wears them -- to Western themed parties, maybe? I imagine that someday people will recreate the early 21st century with bizarre mixes of all these clothes -- things no one would ever wear together, but all documented! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:07:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28492 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75HusE21306; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:56:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HurW04344; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HhfW27000 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22376; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costuming , The Steps Subject: Re: [h-cost] My website addy In-Reply-To: <3D4EB207.6070603@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:08:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28497 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75HvdE21354; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:57:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HvcW04795; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:57:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HhjW27038 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22376; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costuming , The Steps Subject: Re: [h-cost] My website addy In-Reply-To: <3D4EB207.6070603@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:06 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:15:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28531 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:15:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75I59E22071; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75I56W08912; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HbMW23480 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:37:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22287 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:38:47 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:38:47 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Pittsburgh, a much older city, has an even newer city museum than > Cincinnati. Also a fine museum. My point (if I have one) is that big > museums about local history are fairly recent things, probably because > we are such a new country. I don't know of any state history museums, > although there are quite a few museums run by the National Park > Service and dedicated to battles, presidents, etc. As Gail notes, we don't think of museums as being something a state would routinely establish as a government-run entity. There are plenty of historic sites that have associated museums, but these are not typically museums about the history of the "state" in particular -- they focus on the history of the site (e.g. a famous person's birthplace or a geological landmark or something). Some cities or counties have their own museums, which might present local or regional history. And there are quite a few museums based on some aspect of local or regional history that is not delineated by "state" -- e.g. the Cowboy Museum in Oklahoma City. I believe that one is an independent nonprofit, not state-run. We do have a state history museum here in Missouri, but it's not state-run, and I don't know if it has any particular connection to the state government. It's run by the Missouri Historical Society, a nonprofit organization founded in 1866. The museum receives some funding from the city's park district and the rest from membership, donations, and grants. The Society also has an impressive library open to researchers. As regards costume, somewhere in the society's collections are a few 19th-century working-class men's shirts sometimes called "riverboatman's shirts" because they are of the type depicted in Missouri artist George Caleb Bingham's well-known paintings of riverboat workers. For examples, see , , and . (The Mississippi river plays a huge role in Missouri history -- think of Mark Twain, a onetime boatman who wrote "Life on the Mississippi" and set his books "Tom Sawyer" and "Huckleberry Finn" in a town based on his Missouri hometown of Hannibal.) One of the shirts in this collection provided the basis for the Folkwear "Riverboatman's Shirt" pattern. I borrowed this pattern from an h-cost member a few years ago and made up a nice linen shirt for a friend. I've been intending to see if I can get a look at the original, but haven't gotten around to it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 14:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28664 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:51:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Ie4E25309; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75IdoW27896; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75GxHW01889 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:59:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA96945 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:59:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Greensleeves filk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO See, Robin? You've been immortalized in verse! Drea On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Sue wrote: > > > > > Alas, my love, you do me wrong, > > > > > to dress me thus discourteously, > > > > > For I have told you all along, > > > > > it's a gown...and not a cote-hardie...." > > Drea added: > > Greenland's where they wore this gown, > > Men and women of all degree, > > Greenland is the place they found > > this gown that is not a cotehardie... > > These verses sound hauntingly familiar ... but they're from two different > lectures ;-) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 15:39:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29030 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75JSxE00607; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JSvW24316; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Hm9W29400 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17blxf-00009F-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:48:08 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <20020805144756.48848.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020805144756.48848.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:24:55 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Are there portraits of >people wearing them? Did they go over the coif >> or under? I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, >> and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing >> hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to >> the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. Do >> forehead cloths work in a similar way? >> >> Jean Waddie > >Good questions Jean, we are trying to figure that one out as well. here are a >few pictures though of sick women having their freheads covered. The date is in >the file name. (Not every sick woman in those paintings wears one though. It >works this way: when wearing a cloth she is sick. It doesn't work 'when sick >she wears a cloth') > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-67_VISIT_METSU.JPG > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660-70_ANAEMIC-LADY_HOOGST >RAATEN.JPG > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1700_NURSERY_NAIVEU.JPG > >Here is an example of the one I meant which s constructed differenty but covers >the forehead: > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_DOU4.JPG > >http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1660_STEEN10.JPG > >Nicole > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing something vital? Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 15:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29070 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75JYXE01164; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JYUW27447; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:34:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JQCW22807 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.12a.153f01a4 (17526) for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <12a.153f01a4.2a802b47@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:25:59 EDT Status: RO --part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > PS: We have 50 states. > We won't make Puerto Rico a state because no one can figure out a good way to arrange 51 stars on the flag. Badda-bing! --part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


PS: We have 50 states.


We won't make Puerto Rico a state because no one can figure out a good way to arrange 51 stars on the flag.


Badda-bing! --part1_12a.153f01a4.2a802b47_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29128 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:00:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75Jo9E02610; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:50:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Jo5W05705; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JacW28548 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:36:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.182.c2c00d8 (17526) for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <182.c2c00d8.2a802db6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:36:22 EDT Status: RO --part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > I imagine that someday people will recreate the early 21st century with > bizarre mixes of all these clothes -- things no one would ever wear > together, but all documented! > Remember the movie they made of "Hair" [Dreadful. I know] The hippies all wore hippy stuff, but somehow it wasn't real. [of course it IS a musical] It's hard to put a finger on. Maybe TOO much tie dye and feathers. Its contrast to what "The Establishment" wore was real though. That's mushed together now. No one would wear a T-shirt and a blazer in the 60s. [A turtleneck maybe] I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. The clothes were period. The 80s is now period. And of course the [big] hair and make up. And shoulder pads... Interesting..... --part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


I imagine that someday people will recreate the early 21st century with
bizarre mixes of all these clothes -- things no one would ever wear
together, but all documented!


Remember the movie they made of "Hair" [Dreadful. I know] The hippies all wore hippy stuff, but somehow it wasn't real. [of course it IS a musical] It's hard to put a finger on. Maybe TOO much tie dye and feathers. Its contrast to what "The Establishment" wore was real though. That's mushed together now. No one would wear a T-shirt and a blazer in the 60s. [A turtleneck maybe]

I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. The clothes were period. The 80s is now period. And of course the [big] hair and make up. And shoulder pads...

Interesting..... --part1_182.c2c00d8.2a802db6_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29227 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75K23E03698; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75K21W12068; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Jm2W04632 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805194757.FQPZ221.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:47:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4ED667.7050703@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] My website addy References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030800090806020501030703" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:47:51 -0700 Status: RO --------------030800090806020501030703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The silly computer and slippery fingers. ;) I'll let everyone know. Thanks, Robin. Roscelin Robin Netherton wrote: >On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > >> Silver Rose Concepts: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html >> > >I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --------------030800090806020501030703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The silly computer and slippery fingers.  ;)   I'll let everyone know.  Thanks, Robin.

Roscelin

Robin Netherton wrote:
On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote:

   Silver Rose Concepts:   http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb/html 

I think you want a period instead of that last slash, before the html.

--Robin

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--------------030800090806020501030703-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29294 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:16:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75K6ME04051; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75K6KW14423; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Jr7W07342 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020805195302.WIQW23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:53:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3D4ED798.8090108@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costuming , The Steps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Website goof Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:52:56 -0700 Status: RO Greetings one and all, It is me again. I made an error in writing out my webpage address it should be: http://home.attbi.com/~roscelin/wsb.html Sorry for the intrusion. In the Service of the Dream, Roscelin de Limoges _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:39:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29407 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75KSsE06290; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:28:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KSqW26853; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:28:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KGdW20022 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:16:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E009P60BQU7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings In-reply-to: <20020805074451.90741.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020805122541.00db2730@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:28:59 -0700 Status: RO >I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It >wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding dress, >but vice versa. What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and made cotton really cheap. (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular period or country.) Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 16:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29561 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75KifE08137; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KidW05953; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KUZW27870 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:30:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805203034.18375.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:30:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <182.c2c00d8.2a802db6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:30:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > Remember the movie they made of "Hair" [Dreadful. I know] I absolutely love that film. Not dreadful at all! In my opinion anyway. > together now. No one would wear a T-shirt and a blazer in the 60s. [A > turtleneck maybe] Lots of turtlenecks in London. Colin was an artist and arts teacher in the 60s here in London and he said he wore them all the time because it was not establishment and very fashionable amongst such people. > I saw an episode of "Square Pegs" late the other night. The clothes were > period. The 80s is now period. And of course the [big] hair and make up. And > shoulder pads... It is frightening to think my haitsyle or clothes or shoes would be classified as 'vintage' on ebay now. *shudder* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 17:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29644 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:05:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75KscE09106; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KsXW11537; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KixW06157 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Mon Aug 05 15:44:57 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:44:57 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g75KixW06157 Subject: [h-cost] Renaissance faires in the US Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:44:56 -0500 Status: RO In regards to the costumes - all employees furnish their own costumes. They have to be approved by the costume mavens. Our faire is more of a theatrical presentation, so we are not held to strict historical accuracy. But the costume mavens try to keep us under control. (Right, Catherine?) ;-) Sheryl Nance-Durst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good explaination of the KC renfaire Sheryl :). However the level of historical accuracy in the costuming comes and goes at the whim of the Entertainment Director, which can be frustrating (and part of the reason I am not a 'maven' this year). I was going to send these websites to Nicole but in case anyone else is interested: This is the photogallery from the KC performers webpage: http://www.cobrahq.com/kcrfperformers/Photo_Gallery/photo_gallery.htm and the reason there are all the underwear shots is because the Court rehearses in their underwear :). Heat index in this area was 110 last weekend, that's a little hard on the costumes so they try and save them for the first couple of weekends when it will still be pretty hot. At the bottom of the page is a link to Mike Strange's website which also contains a lot of photos from last season. http://jmsphoto.net/KCRF/. Yes, that is Robin Hood and the Merry Men. Yes, the King is Henry VIII. No, they didn't really come up with a good reason to mix the two except that the ED wanted it, sigh. Nicole; renfaires here in the states are lots of fun, if you ever get to this side of the pond let us know and I'm sure someone can find one for you to visit. In the meantime, I really hope someone will post pics from Kirby (hint, hint, hint :) ). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 17:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29755 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:21:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75LAAE10872; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75LA6W20886; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KxTW14269 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:59:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Thanks to everyone sending explanations Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:59:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thanks indeed, that was most enlightening! I never knew all that about ren faires and I always thought that a ren faire was an SCA gathering. (whooops, sorry SCA'lers) I also got a lot more info about overseas, which is really appreciated. On top of it all I have been enjoying myself browsing through the suggested sites. Some lovely costumes on there. Thanks for taking the time to explain everything Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 5 18:28:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30667 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:28:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75MBpE20440; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MB6W01772; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75LgLW10785 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.168] (as3-4-182.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.168]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g75LgJg20264 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <12a.153f01a4.2a802b47@aol.com> References: <12a.153f01a4.2a802b47@aol.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:00:12 -0700 Status: RO At 3:25 PM -0400 8/5/02, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/5/2002 12:52:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gailscott@eos.net writes: > >>PS: We have 50 states. >> > > >We won't make Puerto Rico a state because no one can figure out a >good way to arrange 51 stars on the flag. > I know it wasn't meant seriously, but the natural arrangement for 51 stars would be six rows alternating eight and nine stars each. It's an amusing exercise to come up with reasonably symmetric arrangements for each possible increment. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 00:10:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32749 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g763k3E16230; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760n1128656; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760c9124003 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a224.in-tch.com [66.62.107.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g760O1900245 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4F1BCE.C699141F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:43:58 -0600 Status: RO Aaackkkk!! Don't tell me *that*....you'll scare me right out of going! --Sue, small-town girl extraordinaire.... Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > Sue Cleminger wrote: > > "When I fly into London at the end of the month, it will be the largest > city I've ever been in! " > > Don't forget, Sue, that London is one of the largest cities in the world, so > it's the largest city a lot of people have ever been in! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:46:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24966 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:46:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766a8L09530; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:36:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76183105474; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760qM129823 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:52:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pool-63.53.187.52.snfr.grid.net ([63.53.187.52]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bsaC-00048V-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:52:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020805073337.30077.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Chris Laning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:59:23 -0700 Status: RO At 8:33 AM +0100 8/5/02, N Kipar wrote: >You are also right about the 16th century, or what American seem to call the >Renaissance, which, technically and art historically isn't the Renaissance at >all. :-) There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing >at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but >otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know >whereand when to wear it. *pout* My theory on this (and Nicole, you can tell me if it makes sense! ) is that the reason there's so little 16th century re-enactment in Britain is that there was no WAR there at the time -- all the fighting was someplace else. Therefore, there is no reason for *men* to do re-enactment, since guys always want to be soldiers..... ! (Now I KNOW that's not literally true -- as witness the number of men who enjoy other things besides soldiering -- but it does seem to me that that's how a lot of re-enactment groups got there start, so maybe it's harder to get one going without that element?) -- _________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning | + Davis, California _________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:46:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25070 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766aDL09565; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:36:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g765dpT18313; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g765IqT08723 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a234.in-tch.com [66.62.107.34]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7654i924603 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4F5D9B.875D8991@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Nifty thing for 16th c. types.... Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 23:24:43 -0600 Status: RO While digging around on the Lacis website (www.lacis.com/catalog), I found nice, metal pomanders being used as thread holders for tatters, of all things . They come in silver-plated, or polished brass, are 3" in diameter, have a number of perforations, and are hinged, so they can be opened and closed. I haven't ordered one (yet ;-), but they look nice.... I found them in the notions>thread holders section of the catalogue. The perforations might want to let powdery stuff escape, but they'd be great for some of the more appropriate "solid" scents. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25900 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:48:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766c9L11333; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:38:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g761E5107595; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76115103001 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-209.246.68.234.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([209.246.68.234] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17bsid-0004NN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:01:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4F1FE2.5000708@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks to everyone sending explanations References: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:01:22 -0400 Status: RO Speaking of SCA gatherings, is anyone going to Pennsic? I'm pretty new in the SCA - much newer than on this list - and this is my first Pennsic. If you are there this coming Saturday, I should be helping at Poison Pen Press that afternoon. (Costume and cooking books! *G*) so say hello. I earnestly hope I will be wearing a rather bright blue Gothic Gown... I should be able to finish it this week... though much of the time I'll be in borrowed finery, so, if I'm wearing anything else, just ignore it... *G* Some quite pretty, but not my work. Well, OK, also a blue kirtle based on Drea's instructions, but I have to put it back together, too. Why did I decide the bodice needed alterations? It's been my only dress for the year I've been going to events, should have left well enough alone, then I'd at least own one dress... As I said, I'm new - I'm still not used to the idea of sewing for myself. Why would I make garments for me? I'm not going to be on a stage... I've never been to one of the big Ren Faires... Anne N Kipar wrote: >Thanks indeed, that was most enlightening! I never knew all that about ren >faires and I always thought that a ren faire was an SCA gathering. (whooops, >sorry SCA'lers) I also got a lot more info about overseas, which is really >appreciated. On top of it all I have been enjoying myself browsing through the >suggested sites. Some lovely costumes on there. > >Thanks for taking the time to explain everything > >Nicole > > >__ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 02:51:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27394 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:51:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766f7L14193; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75N50108644; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f69.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Mvi103984 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:57:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:38 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:57:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 22:57:38.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F1D7C40:01C23CD3] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:57:38 +0000 Status: RO Western Wear is very popular here in Texas too - boots, big belt buckles, Wrangler jeans (a particular brand that tends to be very tight - "Wrangler butts drive me nuts!" was what a girl said to me once.) with a faded circle on one of the back pockets where the chewing tobacco tin goes. I know a lot of people here who wear their boots and cowboy hat with their best suits and a silk tie, and this "uniform" is regularly seen at the Courthouse and Capitol building when the legislature is in session. Mary/Katerine (whose own personal wardrobe runs more to MidWestern conservative - simple, tailored clothing with almost no floral or frills, and lots of black in a New York and not Goth way.) >My parents have been out West a couple of times to New Mexico and Arizona, >and my mother reports that people there really do wear "Western Wear" -- >cowboy shirts, tiered ruffled skirts, bolo ties, etc. Those things are sold >here but I don't know where anyone wears them -- to Western themed parties, >maybe? > >Gail Finke > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:20:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10281 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767AVL28843; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g766onT17548; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:50:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75JSDW23856 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.cc.f9aaba8 (17526) for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:28:02 EDT Status: RO --part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: > I still don't get it -- Hawaiian shirts in > Florida? > Well, they wear cowboy hats in Hawaii..... so...... --part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/5/2002 1:57:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gailscott@eos.net writes:


I still don't get it -- Hawaiian shirts in
Florida?


Well, they wear cowboy hats in Hawaii..... so...... --part1_cc.f9aaba8.2a802bc2_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:21:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10516 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767B0L29338; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g766p0T17591; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75JjvW03457 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:45:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805194555.25256.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:45:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:45:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I > can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - > they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing > something vital? No you are not missing anything vital, this was exactly the point and question, are these even forehead cloths? Also, the triangular piece wouldn't hang into the forehead, but the other edge. Oh, and yes, the pix were small, they are details from paintings. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12410 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:24:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767E2L01135; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75NAe111790; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:10:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MlW126584 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:47:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:47:27 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:47:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 22:47:27.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[12C0F730:01C23CD2] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:47:27 +0000 Status: RO The Cincinnati Art Museum (http://www.cincinnatiartmuseum.org) has their Saque back gown online along with some other pre-1800 textiles, and if I remember correctly, they have 10 Worth Gowns in their collection. According to some of my friends who are interested in Islamic Art, their Near East collection is one of the best in the Country. Mary/Katerine (who has a soft spot for the CAM as she was a regular visitor back when she was a Starving College Student at Northern Kentucky University and the CAM offered free admission on Saturdays. I miss the trees in Eden Park.) For instance in >Cincinnati we have had a very good art museum since the 1800s (mostly >European works -- usually a small clothing exhibit on display) >Gail Finke _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:33:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22443 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767MrL01960; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:22:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767MpT29745; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:22:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KGeW20028 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E009P60BQU7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020805123430.00d9e4d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208041812.g74ICmF14829@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 12:48:21 -0700 Status: RO >Anne is right, we do dress differently in the different states. I live in the San Francisco Bay area (the solidly urbanized area all around that body of water), and I couldn't agree with you more. And don't forget age, philosophical, and ethnic differences which affect what people, even in the same area, wear. Than there are the foreigners here in California on work visas, some of whom (or their wives) still wear their homeland clothes. There must be 50 saree shops in the Bay Area, and plenty of Black African and Japanese ones, all selling imported ethnic fabric and garments. >We also have >many different accents, although they are not as distinct as British >accents! If you watch commercial American TV you might think there are only >about four or five accents. But one of the things I like about listening to >debates in congress is that you get to hear so many different regional >accents. There are more American accents on American TV than there were 30 years ago. Then, TV-people all went for a bland so-called 'midwestern' accent. Now the American viewer can hear regional and ethnic accents too. These accents are creeping into situation comedies, and will certainly be exported eventually, if not sooner. >In Cincinnati Ohio, where I live, people dress very dully. T-shirts and >jeans most of the time, and even when we dress up it's boring. In Berkeley and San Francisco, large numbers of people dress in t-shirts and jeans, altho the number of, how shall I say, 'sartorial individualists' is much greater here. I spend time in both 'camps'. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29374 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:37:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75MqxE28746; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:54:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MqO100430; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:52:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75MS7W13433 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:28:01 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:28:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 22:28:01.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BF7F9B0:01C23CCF] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:28:01 +0000 Status: RO They just celebrated Bastille Day at the French Legation here in Austin, Texas. France was the only country to set up an Embassy during the Republic, and the building is now a Museum. (very small). Don't know if they did it in costume - hmm...another period to costume for...? heh heh heh (wide grin) Mary/Katerine > > Texas became an independent country and did not become part of the >United > > States until Dec, 1845. > >The Texan Embassy building in London still exists, >and is now a *very* good restaurant, serving "Texan" >food. Yet more info can be found all over its walls. > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:38:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30589 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:38:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g766j3L17834; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:45:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760sO100675; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:54:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g760i2126623 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:44:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a224.in-tch.com [66.62.107.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g760Tr902397 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:29:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4F1D31.CD23EF12@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings References: <20020804145837.UWGA16779.out005.verizon.net@out005> <4.3.1.2.20020805122541.00db2730@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:49:53 -0600 Status: RO I'd think that'd be affecting a different time period than what Nicole concentrates on. --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think > that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and > made cotton really cheap. > > (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular > period or country.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM Tue Aug 6 03:42:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03061 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g75N3xE01053; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Lv4W20999; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.118]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75LdkW09055 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:39:41 -0700 Received: from 65.70.197.108 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:39:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.70.197.108] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@INDRA.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2002 21:39:41.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B31C090:01C23CC8] Subject: [h-cost] H-Cost Yellow Women (was:Re: State History Museums) Sender: h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM Errors-To: h-costume-admin@INDRA.COM X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@INDRA.COM List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:39:41 +0000 Status: RO And in some places, like New Orleans Creole society, the Mulattoes, Quadroons (1/4 black), and Octoroons (1/8 black), were frequently "kept women", as it was prohibited by law for a white and a person of "mixed blood" (not aure how diluted that blood could get for the law to still apply) to marry. However, according to legend there, if you were pale enough to "pass" and had the money, you could create the documents (like a birth certificate) to "prove' you were white. So a corrolary between "Yellow Rose" and prostitute isn't too far off... Mary/Katerine > >On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Ron Carnegie wrote: > > > Curious, my understanding was that a "Yellow Rose" was a mulatto > > woman. > >IIRC the question first arose because someone was trying to connect yellow >with prostitutes in some particular time/place, and someone else asked >about the "Yellow Rose," who was presumably a prostitute. A more informed >poster, whose identity I can't recall, explained that the so-called >"yellow girls" were called that because they mixed race (as you state), >and it wasn't a reference to the wearing of yellow. > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11934 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767csL02519; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767cqT04139; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:38:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767KBT29102 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E00JS7V1LP4@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nifty thing for 16th c. types.... In-reply-to: <3D4F5D9B.875D8991@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806001817.00e00ed0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 00:19:11 -0700 Status: RO >I found them in the notions>thread holders section of the catalogue. >The perforations might want to let powdery stuff escape, but they'd be >great for some of the more appropriate "solid" scents. Couldn't you just wrap powdered stuff in a cloth first, then put it inside the ball? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13310 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:50:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g765NPE11931; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g762Lu100513; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75EkNW18330 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 08:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020805144617.EHJT17636.out010.verizon.net@localhost> for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:46:17 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020805144617.EHJT17636.out010.verizon.net@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 9:46:17 -0500 Status: RO > > From: N Kipar > Date: 2002/08/05 Mon AM 02:33:37 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. > > --- FyneHats2@aol.com wrote: > . . What we don't have here is faires, that's > probaby because what we have is re-enactment. * Err... we have re-enactment AND faires in the U.S. I personally have re-enacted The U.S. Civil war, The American Revolution, the wild west, Elizabethan, English Civil War, World war I and World War II. I have seen reenactments stretching even farther, from Romans to the Russian invasion of Afghanistan! Reenacting is VERY strong in the U.S. with the larger Americn Civil War events having 15,000 or so on a side! The Civil War is the largest here. > You are also right about the 16th century, or what American seem to call the Renaissance, which, technically and art historically isn't the Renaissance at all. Of course the Renaissance was more than just an art movement, and is not always measured the same way by art historian's as it is by Science historians, or philosophy historians. In fact I have heard the Elizabethan period reffered to as the English Rennaisance. Still it matters little. The term Rennaisance Faire was created in error by Phyliss Patterson of the Living History Centre when what she had in mind was actually a neo-medeviel faire forty years ago. > Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a re-enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment groups and societies. All visitors must be dressed mundanely. This is generally the case here in the U.S. as well, at reenactments I mean. Even more so when the event is attached to a museum. Where I work is an exception, since the streets are public. As long as they are not indecent, we have no control over what visitors chosse to wear. I remain, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 03:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20006 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:54:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767i7L02664; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767i6T05334; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g767VTT02401 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806073129.23303.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 08:31:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:31:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Chris Laning wrote: > > My theory on this (and Nicole, you can tell me if it makes sense! > ) is that the reason there's so little 16th century re-enactment > in Britain is that there was no WAR there at the time -- all the > fighting was someplace else. > Therefore, there is no reason for *men* to do re-enactment, since > guys always want to be soldiers..... ! *laughs* You're right. Yep, that sounds very plausible indeed. They want to play in their 'boys clubs' and apart from that it's a cheap hobby then. Just one uniform (cheap for ECW and ACW) and a shooty stick, and boy do they love their shooty sticks. hehehe. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 04:05:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01310 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g767t0L03022; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g767sxT07799; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 01:54:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75KGeW20037 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0E009P60BQU7@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:16:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:12:35 -0700 Status: RO I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that is still being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and Palestinian dresses are instances of non-Western historical styles which are still evolving - still being designed, made, and worn. Sarees are now available in polyester, with modern designs printed on them (in Japan). Palestinian dresses are sometimes made with Palestinian nationalistic designs cross-stitched on them. The cross-stitch designs on these garments over the years, whether traditional or from Western pattern books, has evolved in ways even a dilettante Palestinian cross-stitch fan like myself can notice. I notice the same modernization of style in otherwise fossilized garments like festival and folk dance costumes (European or Asian), American square dance dresses, and Ren. Faire garments (picture old-time Faire folk, still wearing 'Hippie-Renaissance' bodices from the 60s, with lots of floral braid trim). Does anyone have opinions on this? Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 04:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25143 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g768ApL04098; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768AoT11414; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g75KWfW29105 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 14:32:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020805203240.31862.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 21:32:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805122541.00db2730@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 21:32:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It > >wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding > dress, > >but vice versa. > > What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think > that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and > made cotton really cheap. Dear, IF you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I said exactly that. I also said that I have not yet started to get deeply into the period use of cotton yet (and all that has to do with it), but I shall come to that. > (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular > period or country.) As I said, please read the entire mail. Thank you. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 04:53:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09479 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g768h4L05068; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768h1T18823; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768VoT16430 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17028.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:31:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:29:59 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g768VoT16430 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:29:28 +0100 Status: RO (Catching up on posts after being out of the office most of Monday) Welcome to the list, Helen. I do living history with the SK (used to be a musketeer and then a drummer) and also belong to a period music group, an offshoot of the SK, now independent, the Generalls Musick and Players. I've seen forehead cloths illustrated in the Cunnington book as belonging with the early style of coif, but I've no idea when and why they were worn. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 05:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09565 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g769JDL06154; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769JBT11893; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7694OT23979 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19046.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:04:23 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7694OT23979 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:04:19 +0100 Status: RO Jean wrote: Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 (under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". I'm not Welsh (though I did go to university there) and no medievalist, but wasn't it Edward I who made his baby son Prince of Wales after promising the Welsh a prince who could speak no English? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 05:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09610 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g769V9L06407; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769V4T27740; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769FBT28961 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19652.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:16:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:15:09 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g769FBT28961 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:14:38 +0100 Status: RO Nicole wrote: >There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing >at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but >otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know >whereand when to wear it. *pout8 There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. >Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a re->enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment groups and >societies. Yes, that's the norm, although the SK did once do an event at Stony Stratford for which the locals attempted to dress up too. It made for a great community atmosphere. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 05:45:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA09636 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g769ZaL06546; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769ZZT28783; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mrburns.nildram.co.uk (mrburns.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g769RYT26821 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:27:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bart.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.97]) by mrburns.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ACA31E1F04; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:27:31 +0100 (BST) To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, Wales From: Cc: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) User-Agent: NOCC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020806092731.0ACA31E1F04@mrburns.nildram.co.uk> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:27:30 BST Status: RO > I'm not sure how officially Wales ever was integrated (anyone Welsh > here?) Hang on, my book here says "by the Statute of Wales of 1284 > (under Edward I) the area was transferred to the King's dominion". Looks like it got integrated more than once, according to a quick Google search. * Romano-British territory (Roman Citizenship granted 212AD). * Independent more-or-less co-operative kingdoms and principalities 400AD to 13th Century. * Partial Norman occupation 11th, 12th and 13th centuries. Anglo-Normans recognise Principality of Wales in Treaty of Montgomery, 1267. * Treaty broken and Wales made Dominion of English King 1282-1535, ruled by King's officials and marcher lords (Statute of Rhyddlan, 1294). * Independent Principality 1400-1416 under Owain Glyndwr. * Unilateral Act of Union annexes ``Our Dominion, Principality and Countrey of Wales'' with Kingdom of England (1535-1707). * Constituent of Kingdom of Great Britain (1707-1801) and United Kingdom (from 1801). * Gradual transfer of powers from UK parliament and ministries from 1951 (formation of Ministry of Welsh Affairs), 1964 (Secretary of State for Wales and Welsh Office), 1997 (successful referendum for devolved democratic assembly), 1999 (foundation of National Assembly for Wales with autonomous administrative duties and secondary legislative powers). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 06:21:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09750 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76AB6L07539; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:11:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76A75T05843; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g769rgT02979 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806095342.33350.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:53:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. Ooops, yep, I didn't mean to forget them, and a couple members are even friends. *L* they only do working people though, and don't allow upper class, how boooooooooooring costume wise. :-) > Yes, that's the norm, although the SK did once do an event at Stony Stratford > for which the locals attempted to dress up too. It made for a great community > atmosphere. That's very sweet, reminds me of a few kiddies dressing up as 'Anglo-saxon warriors etc.' coming to West Stow. So cute! Dad's pyjama top belted as a tunic, an old curtain as a cloak, a stick as a sword, I love it! It reminds me so much of myself as a kiddie and that vast imagination that ran wild. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 06:26:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09769 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:26:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76AGEL07676; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76ACCT06863; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:12:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10307.mail.yahoo.com (web10307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.85]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g769slT03167 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:54:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806095447.59513.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.140.155.161] by web10307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:54:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208051750.g75Ho4W00691@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:54:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, after the kit van arrives from Bristol!) Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)! Debbie. >I have a couple packages of rings, just have to remmeber to take them with me! >Will you be there in the beertent on Friday evening? I think I won't get into >kit (nah, too much trouble) but I am pondering to get into my original 1950s >British Red Cross Nurse uniform on Friday, but coupled with Army issue jungle >boots coz I don't have the proper shoes yet and who knows, it might be muddy >and wet... :-) >So when you see someone in a primly starched pale blue uniform sans headdress >(don't have that one either yet) and gleaming white pinafore and apron, but >with scruffy black boots, that's me. hehe. >Nicole --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, after the kit van arrives from Bristol!)

Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)!

Debbie.

>I have a couple packages of rings, just have to remmeber to take them with me!
>Will you be there in the beertent on Friday evening? I think I won't get into
>kit (nah, too much trouble) but I am pondering to get into my original 1950s
>British Red Cross Nurse uniform on Friday, but coupled with Army issue jungle
>boots coz I don't have the proper shoes yet and who knows, it might be muddy
>and wet... :-)
>So when you see someone in a primly starched pale blue uniform sans headdress
>(don't have that one either yet) and gleaming white pinafore and apron, but
>with scruffy black boots, that's me. hehe.

>Nicole


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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1217561812-1028627687=:59365-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 06:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09836 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ac3L08392; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:38:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ac1T12233; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76ALuT08892 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806102155.3086.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:21:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806095447.59513.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:21:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night > (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, > after the kit van arrives from Bristol!) Same here, have to pick up a member/friend from the train station at around 7. Poor Tash (if I may toot her horn, she is one of the almost non-existent black re-enactors in the UK) has done her back in badly and can't hoik her stuff around very much. > Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)! > > Debbie. I hope I'll remember the button rings! I'll be in the 50s red cross uniform and if it rains with a cameo army issue rain jacket on top of it. *L* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10002 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:34:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BOXL09956; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BOVT22583; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g768xmT22812 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 02:59:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.179]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g768wI007276 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:58:18 +1000 Message-ID: <1b5601c23d27$5d7d3220$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:57:55 +1000 Status: RO I'll add my tuppence worth on this.. I'm wondering if they were used similarly to the later periods - around the house for cooking/cleaning/undress. I have no research pointing either way for this, though :-( It just seems that it's easier because coifs tend to be more difficult to wear when working for me. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:35:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10009 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:35:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BOsL09970; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BOrT22652; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7690pT23074 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 03:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18869.; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:01:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:00:50 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7690pT23074 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:00:29 +0100 Status: RO Kayta wrote: >>As far as that goes, how did *any* of you out there get into >>clothing/costuming/historical stuff? >My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little (what >Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the UK), and she got me Davenport's history of costume book, still my favourite. I'm not sure what you think "dressing up" means in the UK, but to me as a child it meant playing with old clothes or unusual garments kept for the purpose. When, later, I heard that someone had started a society where grown-ups could dress up as historical characters, I thought it sounded wonderful. Personally, I dislike sewing, but like to have period costumes to wear! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:48:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10063 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:48:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BcVL10373; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BcTT25631; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75Hm9W29399 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17blxf-00009E-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:16:56 +0100 Status: RO Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your beer-tent enjoyment? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Hello All > >Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not >"performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) >for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. >Any takers? >Regards > >Helen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N Kipar" >To: >Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > > >> --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, >> > >> > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >> > >> > Regards >> > Helen >> >> >> Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate >are >> going too. >> >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 07:49:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10067 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BcxL10393; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BcwT25746; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g75HmBW29436 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17blxi-00009a-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Aug 2002 18:48:10 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings References: <4.3.1.2.20020804113245.00c5ece0@mail.frys.com> <20020804194016.53655.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020804194016.53655.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:14:44 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >> I've heard rumors that the Germans are big into the American Wild West (and >> into 1950s American 'modern' furniture). > >I'm German, but I don't have a clue! Have never ever heard of that, so I don't >know if it is just a wild rumour or true. > >Funny though that in the UK there seem to be more American Civil war >re-enactors than English Civil war re-enactors. *LOL* Ahh, but maybe one has to >count all the Commonwealth ones, apparently there are quite a few English Civil >war re-enactors in Australia and New Zealand? > >Nicole > Something we realised when some Australians joined our group, is that most British medieval re-enactors are interested in linking to their local history - for example, where I grew up had strong links to Henry VIII, so I originally went for Tudor. Several of our Saxon members used the Saxon names of their hometowns for "surnames". When you come from somewhere that doesn't have [European-based] history that far back, you can just choose what you like - the Australians did mainly Byzantine, but one was thinking of going Hungarian just for the glorious clothes. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 08:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10191 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76BvdL11170; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:57:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BvWT00269; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:57:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76BhmT26934 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:43:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806114347.7469.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:43:47 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:43:47 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - > time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your > beer-tent enjoyment? > > Jean Whoohoo, super idea Jean, may I have coffee instead though? 6:30? I also have to grab something to eat, get out of the mantua first (no WAY do i go in that into the beer tent :-) get into a different set of kit, etc. Should be possible to do before 3:30-45 Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 08:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10346 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:24:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76CEKL11757; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:14:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76CEJT04157; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76BlUT27828 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806114729.9597.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:47:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Byzantine & Russian, was Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:47:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > Something we realised when some Australians joined our group, is that > most British medieval re-enactors are interested in linking to their > local history - for example, where I grew up had strong links to Henry > VIII, so I originally went for Tudor. Several of our Saxon members used > the Saxon names of their hometowns for "surnames". You are so right. My 'persona' is German and married to an Englishman, and we are Earl and Countes of Brompton (because we live in ld Brompton and Frances Stuart was Lady Cobham which is round the corner) and my name is 'von Hardenberg', because I grew up in the Hardenberg Street and Graf von Hardenberg was a proper title. *L* When you come from > somewhere that doesn't have [European-based] history that far back, you > can just choose what you like - the Australians did mainly Byzantine, > but one was thinking of going Hungarian just for the glorious clothes. Ohhhh, Byzantine! I love it, the OTT aristocratic clothing. Now that we are tinkering to go do a few bits with Teddy's far isles I could finally make some Byzantine stuff. And Russian, oh how beautiful the clothes look, and with my Russian ancestors... I just love sumptuous fabrics. Just look at the fabulous creations below. http://medievalrussia.freeservers.com/dress.html Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11183 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76CwQL13587; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76CwET15648; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40016.mail.yahoo.com (web40016.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.56]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76CaeT09726 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:36:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806123634.41193.qmail@web40016.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40016.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Oh yes, yes, yes! > > I will be with the Normans, Nicole is L'Age d'Or, Kate Bunting will be > in the house playing music and Teddy is going with Paladins of Chivalry. > > > Anyone else? > wish I was going now. The Tudor Group is going to be there but I thought I'd give it a pass this year, afterall I have my lovely doublet to finish before the commissions for next season start coming in. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11233 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76CxtL13698; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Cx8T15924; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40014.mail.yahoo.com (web40014.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.54]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76CdKT10387 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806123914.25077.qmail@web40014.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:39:14 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4D560F.10805@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:39:14 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell you... > Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, > people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from > Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they > are not British. > > Anne Anne, The term British actually refers to people living in the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Isle of Mann, Silly Isles etc etc). So the Irish are as British as the rest of us. Southern Ireland (eire) doesn't belong to Great Britain but they are still British. Now are you suitably confused yet? Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11527 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DEYL14458; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DEXT20716; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:14:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca.uwaterloo.ca (IDENT:fashion@sca.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.56.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76D1qT16822 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from fashion@localhost) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11265 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:11:44 -0400 From: Eric Praetzel Message-Id: <200208061311.JAA11265@sca.uwaterloo.ca> To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] H-costume search engine Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi All, **** My old search engine is now fixed. ***** I'm just back from vacation. Christine has been kind enough to forward some mail about my search engine at: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives I mistakenly broke the old search engine and it is now fixed. I will probably not disable the old search engine - unless it is providing too much of a load on my server. I'll clarify the difference between the two search engines: New Engine: It builds a catalog of all Subject lines and Senders. You can search by Subject and Sender ONLY. All postings get "cleaned". ie advertisments and other annoying things get striped. I tweak the cleaning engine now and then and I know that it does have some small problems. If you have searches that give you very strange postings please forward me the exact search phrase that you used. Note: The new search engine uses Unix Regular Expressions - they're very powerfull - but it doesn't make sense to many people. Still it lets you search for exact words or phrases. Search times (and load on my server) are about 100x to 1000x faster. I have been playing with using a database - but droped that for lack of time. Old Search Engine: The old search engine searches _EVERYTHING_. It doesn't just search the Subject line - but all of the text in all messages. That is in the original archives - not my "cleaned" ones. This can be quite a load (briefly) on my server - and it means that you'll often get tons and tons of hits. It also doesn't offer any easy way to go exactly to that one message - or to easily bringing up postings with the same subject or from the same author. In both cases all of the text of the original postings is available. But I have not linked that from the web. You can easily get to it with a path such as: http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/hcos99 That will list all postings from the 1999 h-costume directory. Each file is for one month worth of postings. hco00 is 2000, hcos02 is 2002 etc etc. Files that end in .cl are the "cleaned" ones. Note: On at least one occasion in the past someone has broken into the h-costume list-server and stolen the entire list of people and their email addresses. I use this email account for nothing except recieving email from this one list-server; and I get lots of spam (which is now automatically filtered so that it doesn't get into the archives). In case you are wondering where some of your spam comes from - that is one place. Here are some recent pieces of spam that I've gotten because the security of the list serve was broken. Subject: Clean your credit right from your computer! 28658 Subject: Want to increase your penis size! ? Subject: HELP THE CHILDREEN 9123kSPD3-094uBNh7054j-21 Subject: Powerful Tool For Manufacturers/Job Shops Subject: Is this unclaimed money yours? 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Subject: Fw: Debt Solving Solution as promised - Eric _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:29:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11620 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:29:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DJFL14684; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DJFT22053; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:19:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76CvMT15437 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806125716.6014.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:57:16 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020804113742.00e05cd0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:57:16 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Well I have always sown, first embroidery from about the age of three onwards and I got my first sewing machine when I was about 6 (it was a toy but you could sew with it). History has always been a part of my life. We were always being taken to some Stately home to look round or to an exhibition. In England you just can't really avoid it, the town where I lived from 3-24 has some wonderful Roman remains as well as everything in between (Saxon churches, Norman Abbey, medieval street, Tudor Inn and so on). My love for Tudor costume didn't really explode until my dad took me to an exhibition at the Royal Martime Museum in Grenwich (London) celebrating 400 years since we gave the Spanish a hiding (Armada). When you are gazing at portrait upon portrait of Elizabeth I you can't help but be bowled over by the costumes. I didn't really get into Living History until last year. I have always done historically accurate embroidery but decided that I'd like a better forum for it, and so I joined the Tudor Group. This is my first complete season and it is just wonderful. I have started on a blackwork cushion that will take the next four years or so to finish (its 3ft by 1.5ft!) but it will be worth every stitch. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:33:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11715 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:33:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DNML14922; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DNLT23386; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:23:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76D4aT17680 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806130422.17884.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:04:22 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806123634.41193.qmail@web40016.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:04:22 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Oh yes, yes, yes! > wish I was going now. The Tudor Group is going to be there but I thought I'd > give it a pass this > year, afterall I have my lovely doublet to finish before the commissions for > next season start > coming in. It may be the last time though rachel, it doesn't look too good for Kirby I think. EH gets rid of their national events organisation, and it will all be run regionally. Let us all cross our fingers it will take place again next year! ...and that the blasted weather is better than what it is right now.... *sigh* Nicole - who knows that silk brocade and rain do NOT mix. ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 09:43:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11941 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76DWnL15439; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:32:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DWmT26301; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:32:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DJeT22174 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g76D5Y904069 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4FCE4D.8E40BF54@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Nifty thing for 16th c. types.... References: <4.3.1.2.20020806001817.00e00ed0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:25:33 -0600 Status: RO Oh, yeah, duh! I didn't think of that, but then, what I want to play with is a period-appropriate solid stuff I got the recipe for when I took Drea's class on Elizabethan stuff. --Sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I found them in the notions>thread holders section of the catalogue. > >The perforations might want to let powdery stuff escape, but they'd be > >great for some of the more appropriate "solid" scents. > > Couldn't you just wrap powdered stuff in a cloth first, then put it inside > the ball? > > Kayta _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16942 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:27:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EHQL18685; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EHMh11058; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DoST02118 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:50:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g76DaF913684 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4FD57E.1CE0A093@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: <20020806125716.6014.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:56:14 -0600 Status: RO Oooh! Oooh! Another blackwork fiend! Welcome! My current project is multi-year, too, although it's for a shift for a costume....based on a couple of portraits I've been carefully gleaning over the years--the blackwork runs in stripes roughly 6 inches apart the full length of the shift. Sleeves (finished, thank god) are 22" x 4', and the front and back (in progress) are 45" x 4'. I based the dimensions roughly on the 17th c. Italian shift in _Cut My Cote_, with additional length in the sleeves to allow for poofing. What kind of design are you using for your cushion? I've seen a number of them that look pretty "leafy," with grape leaves and such, and all the filling patterns. Or are you doing flowers? If I ever get caught up on my clothing projects, I'd *love* to tackle some furnishings like you're doing! --Sue Rachel wrote: > > I didn't really get into Living History until last year. I have always done historically accurate > embroidery but decided that I'd like a better forum for it, and so I joined the Tudor Group. This > is my first complete season and it is just wonderful. I have started on a blackwork cushion that > will take the next four years or so to finish (its 3ft by 1.5ft!) but it will be worth every > stitch. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:36:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17135 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EQDL19411; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EQCh15132; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76DieT00429 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a247.in-tch.com [66.62.107.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g76DUC911691 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D4FD413.FEEC030E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, was Re: State History Museums was: References: <20020806123914.25077.qmail@web40014.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:50:11 -0600 Status: RO It occurs to me that there's a lot of the same confusion here in the western hemisphere....Canadians, people from the US, and Mexicans are all "Americans" in the sense that we're all on the continent of North America, but only those of us in the *United*States* of America tend to be referred to as "Americans." And then, of course (at least here in the US), you get all the ethnic hyphenations....African-American being the most commonly used to refer to people who's ethnic origins lie primarily in Africa, but there are Chinese-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, etc. Seems to be used more often to refer to post 1st-generation people. "Native Americans" are the various tribes and nations of peoples who lived here well before the various European incursions (although I *have* heard that in Canada, they're referred to as "First Nations," which I kinda like ). --Sue, Northern-European-American-Mongrel Rachel wrote: > > --- A F Murphy wrote: > LOL! Now that, I can tell you... > > Only people from England are English. People from Scotland are Scots, > > people from Wales are Welsh, but they are all British. People from > > Northern Ireland are from the UK, and subjects of the Queen, but they > > are not British. > > > > Anne > > Anne, > > The term British actually refers to people living in the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales, > Ireland, Isle of Mann, Silly Isles etc etc). So the Irish are as British as the rest of us. > Southern Ireland (eire) doesn't belong to Great Britain but they are still British. Now are you > suitably confused yet? > > Rachel > > ===== > Rachel > > Tudor Bibliography > http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:41:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17242 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EVEL19811; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EVDh17325; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:31:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf17bis.bellsouth.net (mail217.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.157]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EE4h09365 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:14:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf17bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806141531.OWDS9371.imf17bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <00a801c23d53$1f8624a0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:11:11 -0400 Status: RO And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. Apollonia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 10:51:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17415 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ef6L20680; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ef0h21984; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:41:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f270.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.145]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EG3h10275 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:16:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:15:57 -0700 Received: from 80.3.160.4 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:15:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.3.160.4] From: "Joy Shillaker" To: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 14:15:57.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8AC2520:01C23D53] Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1145 - 13 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:15:57 +0000 Status: RO >This is really fascinating, completely different ways of thinking and >values. >200 year old things are considered to be quite modern and just vintage >here, at >least amongst the historians and curators that I know. Fascinating! >Thanks Mary, I'm flabbergasted. > >Nicole One of the archaeologists(spelling?) at Basing House described one of Basing's buildings as not very old. It was probably built during the rule of Elizabeth 1st! regards Joy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17768 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:06:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76EtfL22089; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Etch29327; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Ecuh21071 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:38:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806143855.28481.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:38:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <00a801c23d53$1f8624a0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:38:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Apollonia Margherita wrote: > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > > Apollonia Uhm, what is Nascar? Now I'm intrigued. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:10:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17911 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76F07L22578; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76F06h01809; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40004.mail.yahoo.com (web40004.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.22]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Ej9h24148 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806144503.63938.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:45:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806095342.33350.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:45:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > > > There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. > > Ooops, yep, I didn't mean to forget them, and a couple members are even > friends. *L* they only do working people though, and don't allow upper class, > how boooooooooooring costume wise. :-) > Hi Nicole Out of interest which members do you know (I'm a member of the TG myself). We only go as high as the low gentry, but that doesn't mean to say that some members don't go a little higher than that. Of course the problem comes with the cash to do it. No-one in the group can afford to do a completely accurate court costume (£15,000+ at the last estimate). Shame really as I'd love to embroider one myself. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18141 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76F93L23352; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76F93h06563; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76EoDh26638 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:50:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-63.210.209.15.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([63.210.209.15] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17c5f1-0007BX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:50:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3D4FE235.7060001@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020806073129.23303.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:50:29 -0400 Status: RO Cheap hobby? Ha! Don't know about England, but ACW? I dipped my toe into that pool once, 7 years ago, looking for a uniform cap for a one-man show. I found an entire world... In ACW reenacting, they don't play "A Union (or Confederate) Soldier." They join specific units, playing specific historic regiments, and reproduce their kit precisely. They get buttons made by the companies that made the originals. They get insignia from repro companies that provide the documentation. Different units and regiments had slightly different uniforms - wasn't really Government Issue yet - so the great source your friend found may not have what you need. A uniform isn't passed unless every single detail is exactly accurate to not simply the time, but a man of that rank coming from that town, in that regiment... there is no such thing as "Good Enough" or a ten foot rule. Then you start getting accessories... I mean, you're going to want to have some water during the battle, right? So you need the right thing to drink it from. You're going to mend a rip in your trousers that evening? Get the right needle... I don't know, there might be groups that aren't quite that - well, my fanaticism is their precision, so - precise. But I sure found the ones who were! Seems to me that, when I first joined this list, we had a few ACW people, but when I re-joined, after a hiatus, they had gone... Anne Who should be sewing, not writing to this list... N Kipar wrote: > >*laughs* You're right. Yep, that sounds very plausible indeed. They want to >play in their 'boys clubs' and apart from that it's a cheap hobby then. Just >one uniform (cheap for ECW and ACW) and a shooty stick, and boy do they love >their shooty sticks. hehehe. > >Nicole > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:19:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18157 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76F9GL23380; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76F9Fh06702; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40006.mail.yahoo.com (web40006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Et8h29091 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806145502.13471.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:55:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4FD57E.1CE0A093@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:55:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Hi Sue I also do costume embroidery, I have a commission for the embroidery on the men's shirt in the Museum of BAth, hence the barrage of emails over the last few weeks. The cushion cover is based on a number of different cushions and panels. The primary source for the design is a panel shown in Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe unlocked and I belive is at Holyrood, although I could possibly mistaken. The design though uses the typcial curling stem design with a mix of flowers and leaves. Flowers include pansy, rose, honeysuckle, pomegranate and the leaves are vine leaves (+ some grapes) and the generic leaf shapes often seen on Elizabethan embroidery. As I am also making a lady's doublet from patterns of fashion (1585) I am started work on the research for a set of blackwork sleves. Rachel --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oooh! Oooh! Another blackwork fiend! Welcome! > My current project is multi-year, too, although it's for a shift for a > costume....based on a couple of portraits I've been carefully gleaning > over the years--the blackwork runs in stripes roughly 6 inches apart the > full length of the shift. Sleeves (finished, thank god) are 22" x 4', > and the front and back (in progress) are 45" x 4'. I based the > dimensions roughly on the 17th c. Italian shift in _Cut My Cote_, with > additional length in the sleeves to allow for poofing. > What kind of design are you using for your cushion? I've seen a number > of them that look pretty "leafy," with grape leaves and such, and all > the filling patterns. Or are you doing flowers? > If I ever get caught up on my clothing projects, I'd *love* to tackle > some furnishings like you're doing! > --Sue > ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:50:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18790 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:50:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Fe9L26462; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Fe7h23540; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76FPCh15249 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:25:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g76FP9IP003992 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208061525.g76FP9IP003992@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Apollonia Margherita" at Aug 06, 2002 10:11:11 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO My sympathies! I'm from North Carolina too -- moved out 12 years ago. At least you aren't too far from Colonial Williamsburg, which is a great place to get inspired. .heather. > > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > > Apollonia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 11:50:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18795 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:50:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76FeSL26513; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76FeRh23763; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:40:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10305.mail.yahoo.com (web10305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76FUNh17958 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806153023.33194.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.120.56.37] by web10305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:30:23 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208061314.g76DEUT20694@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-391970209-1028647823=:32799" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:30:23 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-391970209-1028647823=:32799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on whose campsite)??? Debbie >Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - >time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your >beer-tent enjoyment? >Jean --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-391970209-1028647823=:32799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?)   Only other problem is where (ie, on whose campsite)???

Debbie

>Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing -
>time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your
>beer-tent enjoyment?

>Jean



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http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-391970209-1028647823=:32799-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 12:38:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19680 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:38:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GSIL01502; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GSGh22764; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf16bis.bellsouth.net (mail016.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GDVh13519 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806161459.IOWJ14129.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:14:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c23d63$d0096b10$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <20020806143855.28481.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:10:40 -0400 Status: RO Nascar is car racing. It's cars turning left in a big oval track. One race will go on for hours. Except, they also race pick-up trucks in a spin-off. Low-riding compact pick-up trucks. For hours. People sit right up next to the track if they can, and get dirt and all sorts of stuff sprayed on them. And people have died in the wrecks on the tracks, because the cars are going about 200 miles an hour...The town I live in, Salisbury, is about 20 minutes north of Kannapolis, which is where one of Nascar's most famous drivers grew up, and he wrecked out a died a few years ago. So now there are building a huge memorial statue.... Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > Uhm, what is Nascar? Now I'm intrigued. :-) > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 12:45:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19729 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:45:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GZJL02208; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GZIh27347; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:35:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GJZh17305 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.193.29] (as-5-43.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.193.29]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g76GJWF28617 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020805205929.319.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thanks to everyone sending explanations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 15:10:25 -0700 Status: RO At 9:59 PM +0100 8/5/02, N Kipar wrote: >Thanks indeed, that was most enlightening! I never knew all that about ren >faires and I always thought that a ren faire was an SCA gathering. (whooops, >sorry SCA'lers) I also got a lot more info about overseas, which is really >appreciated. On top of it all I have been enjoying myself browsing through the >suggested sites. Some lovely costumes on there. > >Thanks for taking the time to explain everything One of the things that takes some getting used to is that, in the US, the term "ren faire" can cover a really wide variety of phenomena -- and even the people involved in a particular faire (or a particular faire circuit) may not realize that not all faires are like the ones they are used to (or may know this intellectually, but forget it in the heat of the discussion). So one person will tell you "what ren faires are all about" and then you'll discover that what they told you has nothing to do with other events by the same name. Even the "big" faires vary considerably in terms of the reliance on paid performers vs. volunteer (but "on staff") performers vs. relying on paying customers in costume to help provide "atmosphere", as well as historicity of setting, and emphasis on performance entertainment vs. merchant space, and so on, and so on. To some extent, the terminology isn't finely-detailed enough, so you end up lumping too many things together. It's not unlike the problem with trying to describe the wide variety of "hands-on historic-interest hobby" groups, when you may find yourself using the same term to convey everything from a costumed museum docent doing public education, to a private themed party for personal amusement. Always, in general to ask for and/or provide detailed explanations, rather than assumig we know what each other means. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:03:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19888 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GrUL04155; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GrSh08607; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf16bis.bellsouth.net (mail016.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.36]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GK1h17621 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf16bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806162129.ISEG14129.imf16bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c23d64$b8867a40$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <200208061525.g76FP9IP003992@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:17:10 -0400 Status: RO I know, that is a good thing. I haven't had a chance to go up there recently. I grew up in Virginia Beach, and went to the Jamestown settlement a lot... Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > My sympathies! I'm from North Carolina too -- moved out > 12 years ago. > > At least you aren't too far from Colonial Williamsburg, which is a great > place to get inspired. > > .heather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19892 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76GrrL04208; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Grph08814; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd5mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GNZh19822 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0F00DP1K76R2@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0F0089JK767J@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from supers.vc.shawcable.net (h24-68-23-36.vc.shawcable.net [24.68.23.36]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H0F006MQK75XI@l-daemon> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) From: "P. A. Stonnell" X-Sender: hlisobel@shawmail To: h-costume@net.indra.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [h-cost] corset stays Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:20:16 -0700 Status: RO Help! The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? Thank you Peggy Stonnell SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:10:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19946 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:10:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76H0GL05019; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76H0Dh12803; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GoHh06676 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.176.c7eb531 (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <176.c7eb531.2a81583f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:07 EDT Status: RO --part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes: > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural incarnations. I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! --part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 10:32:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes:


And I live in the South.  Born and raised in it.  The land of Nascar.
Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder).  I think the
standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or
Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun.  Possibly
a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh.


Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural incarnations.
I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! --part1_176.c7eb531.2a81583f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20002 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:19:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76H99L05947; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76H97h18424; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76Gb3h28337 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806163702.92013.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 17:37:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806153023.33194.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:37:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, > (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on > whose campsite)??? > > Debbie I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small cauldron.... (don't have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water boiling facilty and biggest shelter space. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:20:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20020 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HAWL06159; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HAVh19374; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76FJTh12245 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806151929.16402.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:19:29 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D4FE235.7060001@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:19:29 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- A F Murphy wrote: > Cheap hobby? Ha! > > Don't know about England, but ACW? I dipped my toe into that pool once, > 7 years ago, looking for a uniform cap for a one-man show. I found an > entire world... *snippage* Well, I am not sure from which country you are (US?) nor about which society/group/regiment you are talking about, but the chaps from the ACW society I talked to said that because they are so many every item is 'mass produced'. I just paid 3000 pound sterling for my mantua. Yes, that's just the dress, not the wig, not the shoes, not the accessories other than the fontange. I don't think one of their uniforms is £ 3000 (that's 4700 dollars appr.), well, I'm talking about your ordinary foot soldier here. *S* I have of course heard about and seen piccies of SUPERB officers' uniforms, I wasn't talking about those though. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:21:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20027 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HAtL06206; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HArh19625; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:10:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76FOSh14837 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806152428.35244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 16:24:28 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806144503.63938.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:24:28 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > Hi Nicole > > Out of interest which members do you know (I'm a member of the TG myself). Claire and her hubby, they used to be members of Angelcynn. > We only go as high as the low gentry, but that doesn't mean to say that some > members don't go a > little higher than that. Of course the problem comes with the cash to do it. > No-one in the group > can afford to do a completely accurate court costume (£15,000+ at the last > estimate). Shame > really as I'd love to embroider one myself. Well, I can assure you, I am certain it could be done for less than that when resourcing world wide. All in all my 1700 outfit approximates £4500-5000 or so, but that's because I sourced fabrics, 19th c. handmade laces, 19th c. ribbons, genuine pearls etc. via the internet from all over the world. I dread to think how much it would have been if I hadn't hunted for about a year (nay, longer, more like two years) for all the supplies. Well, I didn't make the dress of course, that added to the cost a lot, Ninya is not cheap. *laughs* oh no.... Anyway, that's why I really, really HATE rain when I'm in my kit. Please do tell us, how would you PERFECT pucker Tudor aristocratic be made of and put together? I'm so curious!!!! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20067 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HGHL06650; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HGDh22985; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76H1ch13730 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.153.12034029 (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <153.12034029.2a815ae8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:01:28 EDT Status: RO --part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes: > The town I live in, Salisbury We filmed the miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney [sp] Sisters.....and their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we filmed it ironically, at Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? Isn't there a railroad museum near you. We did the period departure and arrival scenes there. What a nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot of extras. We filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. Changed everybody and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed everybody again and filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that night we did it all again but the arrivals. There had to be continuity on the girls and family and extras in the trains, But the extras on the platform had to change every time. A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY THAT WAS! I made tons in overtime and meal penalties though. --part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net writes:


The town I live in, Salisbury


We filmed the miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney [sp] Sisters.....and their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we filmed it ironically, at Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? Isn't there a railroad museum near you. We did the period departure and arrival scenes there.
What a nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot of extras. We filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. Changed everybody and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed everybody again and filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that night we did it all again but the arrivals. There had to be continuity on the girls and family and extras in the trains, But the extras on the platform had to change every time. A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY THAT WAS!

I made tons in overtime and meal penalties though. --part1_153.12034029.2a815ae8_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:35:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20158 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:35:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HPOL07712; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HPNh29011; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Gf7h00970 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.72.2074789a (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:40:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <72.2074789a.2a815618@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "old" in America To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:40:56 EDT Status: RO --part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hrjones@socrates.Berkeley.EDU writes: > It's an amusing exercise to come up with reasonably symmetric > arrangements for each possible increment. > I always liked the concentric circles. --part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hrjones@socrates.Berkeley.EDU writes:


It's an amusing exercise to come up with reasonably symmetric
arrangements for each possible increment.


I always liked the concentric circles. --part1_72.2074789a.2a815618_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:35:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20162 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:35:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HPVL07728; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HPVh29114; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:25:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76GfGh01024 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31778 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: State History Museums was: Re: FW: [h-cost] Authenticity ofLucets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Mary Temple wrote: > They just celebrated Bastille Day at the French Legation here in > Austin, Texas. France was the only country to set up an Embassy during > the Republic, and the building is now a Museum. (very small). Don't > know if they did it in costume - hmm...another period to costume > for...? There's some French Colonial re-enactment here in the St. Louis area, at at least one local historic site dating from that period. Not my period, so I don't keep up with it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:47:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20236 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HbBL09376; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HbAh06637; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HL5h26196 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c810-0000cp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:21:02 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:21:02 -0400 Status: RO Oy. My most expensive costumes probably are in the few hundred dollar range, not exceeding $500 for the whole outfit from shoes to hat. I can't begin to imagine spending thousands of dollars for a kit, but then, I'm still earning barely living wage at the moment and I'm not striving for as-close-as-possible authenticity (usually just "above average authenticity on a student budget")... Maybe when I win the lottery (or become a rich and famous archeologist, the odds of which are just as likely as winning the lotto) I'll fly over to England and have Ninya make me a money-is-no-object high Elizabethan gown. ;) Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com > --- A F Murphy wrote: > Cheap hobby? Ha! > > > > Don't know about England, but ACW? I dipped my toe into that pool once, > > 7 years ago, looking for a uniform cap for a one-man show. I found an > > entire world... > > *snippage* > Well, I am not sure from which country you are (US?) nor about which > society/group/regiment you are talking about, but the chaps from the ACW > society I talked to said that because they are so many every item is 'mass > produced'. I just paid 3000 pound sterling for my mantua. Yes, that's just the > dress, not the wig, not the shoes, not the accessories other than the fontange. > I don't think one of their uniforms is £ 3000 (that's 4700 dollars appr.), > well, I'm talking about your ordinary foot soldier here. *S* > I have of course heard about and seen piccies of SUPERB officers' uniforms, I > wasn't talking about those though. > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:47:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20242 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HbRL09433; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HbQh06799; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:37:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf22bis.bellsouth.net (mail022.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.62]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HL8h26241 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806172101.QXXI7447.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:21:01 -0400 Message-ID: <009501c23d6d$41ccb6e0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <176.c7eb531.2a81583f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:18:15 -0400 Status: RO You see more sophistication in the bigger cities. Charlotte has a lot of people who moved there for the banking industry. Greensboro has a lot of people who have moved up in the world, from tank tops to dress shirts. I think the Triangle (Raliegh, Durham, and Cary) have the best clothes. My theory is that most of them are from somewhere else, having moved here a few years ago for the job market. And the shotguns are, tilted rakishly to the left, cocked and ready to go. :) Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural incarnations. I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 13:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20282 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:51:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HfnL09871; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Hfmh09397; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HFqh22698 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:15:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.152.120315b5 (4459) for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <152.120315b5.2a815e3f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:43 EDT Status: RO --part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 1:01:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > I've the BEST outfits! Though I do have some good looking ensembles, This was meant to read: I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've SEEN the BEST outfits! Now everyone thinks I'm black. This is OK except it's not true.....and I have no rhythm. :-P --part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2002 1:01:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes:


I've the BEST outfits!


Though I do have some good looking ensembles, This was meant to read:

I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the most fun with their clothes. I've SEEN the BEST outfits!


Now everyone thinks I'm black. This is OK except it's not true.....and I have no rhythm. :-P --part1_152.120315b5.2a815e3f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 14:09:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20364 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:09:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76HxVL11615; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HxUh19887; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76HaVh06295 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806173630.90481.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:36:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:36:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Thought I'd have to share, the only photo they had of us, but I think a nice one, was taken at the parade, it's nice because it shows the costume 'moving'. It also shows why I took my petticoat back to Ninya to have it shortened! It was utterly impractically long. http://www.EventPlan.co.uk/photopages/H2%20C18th%201.htm Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 14:18:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20437 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:18:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76I85L12545; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76I84h25119; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.228]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Hqmh15781 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp3out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g76Hsskl003230 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] corset stays Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:53:58 -0300 Status: RO Peggy - The best corset supply house I have ever dealt with is in Canada - and I live in New York! You'll enjoy this website. http://www.farthingales.on.ca Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 14:53:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20922 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:53:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ih6L15949; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ih4h15579; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76IaMh11808 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Tue Aug 06 13:36:20 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:20 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g76IaMh11808 Subject: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 13:36:11 -0500 Status: RO Very nice photo Nicole, and thanks for the website, they have a good photographer. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 15:40:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21877 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:40:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76JU9L21022; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JU7h12084; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JGIh04281 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:16:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C80C2083E for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7F62207F2 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026201c23d7d$16c041a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <00a801c23d53$1f8624a0$55144ed8@sgrochoski> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:11:34 -0400 Status: RO Oh, it's the same here. And York has a huge Nascar Weekend every year. I swear the whole city stops for a Nascar race. Yick. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > And I live in the South. Born and raised in it. The land of Nascar. > Hancock's has fabric printed with Nascar images (shudder). I think the > standard uniform in North Carolina if you are not in Charlotte, Raleigh or > Greensboro is a tank top (with Nascar image), jeans and a shotgun. Possibly > a can of beer in your other hand. Ugh. > > Apollonia > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 16:23:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22161 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76KCgL25269; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76KCeh07755; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:12:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([204.179.120.87]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Joah24091 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:50:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.1/8.10.2/1.0) with ESMTP id g76JoefY011623 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g76JoZ72017262 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.95.177.85] ([128.95.177.85]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H0FTSB00.B0M for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:50:35 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.3 Subject: NASCAR - was Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states From: Agnes G To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <026201c23d7d$16c041a0$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:51:15 -0700 Status: RO For Nicole and any others who don't know about this peculiarly North American phenomenon... NASCAR is stock car racing - but the cars aren't really "stock" or standard cars at all any more. Here's some information from a website (http://www.howstuffworks.com/nascar.htm) that explains a little about the cars (it however doesn't attempt to explain the fans or how they dress) begin quote - In the beginning, stock-car racing was exactly what it sounds like. Drivers actually bought brand-new cars from dealers and went racing. The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing (NASCAR), organized in 1947, created a standardized set of rules for stock-car racing and established a system for selecting a national champion based on performance at races across the country. The original races were run on dirt tracks that got rutted and bumpy. The unmodified cars were not tough enough for this type of abuse, so NASCAR began allowing modifications to the stock cars to increase their durability. Over the years, more and more modifications were made, sometimes to increase safety and sometimes to improve competition. NASCAR strictly controls all of these modifications, which are spelled out in detail in the NASCAR rule book. Cars are checked for compliance with these rules at every race. Today, NASCAR race cars have very little in common with street cars. Almost every detail of a NASCAR car is handmade. The bodies are built from flat sheet metal, the engines are assembled from a bare block and the frame is constructed from steel tubing. -end quote _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 19:04:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22975 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76Ms2L10478; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Ms0h10997; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76MbXh02161 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:37:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cCxH-000Le6-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:37:32 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:27:41 +0100 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote >I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal >Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that is >still being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and >Palestinian dresses are instances of non-Western historical styles >which are still evolving - still being designed, made, and worn. > >Sarees are now available in polyester, with modern designs printed on >them (in Japan). Palestinian dresses are sometimes made with >Palestinian nationalistic designs cross-stitched on them. The >cross-stitch designs on these garments over the years, whether >traditional or from Western pattern books, has evolved in ways even a >dilettante Palestinian cross-stitch fan like myself can notice. > I saw a documentary recently about "cultural life" (not sure what else to call it) in Afghanistan now the Taliban are gone, as people get back to their old ways. They showed traditionally woven Afghan rugs with pictures of Russian tanks and weapons on them - apparently this is now a "traditional" design, showing how they won the most recent glorious victory! I also, some years ago now, saw a girl in traditional Pakistani dress...nearly. She had short spiky black hair, and was wearing black satin shalwar kameez, and a black leather biker jacket. And tonight I went to a show on the Edinburgh Fringe of Maori dancing, where they proclaimed "breakdancing is now traditional Maori dance". They're both based on challenge and competition, so why not absorb some cool moves from other places? The same is happening with the north Indian Bhangra. I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into their own tradition, not the other way round. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 19:08:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23007 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:08:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g76MwRL10886; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:58:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76MwQh13421; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:58:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Mqqh10426 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:52:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cDC6-000Nv4-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:52:51 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action References: <20020806153023.33194.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> <20020806163702.92013.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020806163702.92013.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:51:43 +0100 Status: RO Nicole, At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are, I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? Jean N Kipar wrote > --- Debbie Lough wrote: > >> Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, >> (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on >> whose campsite)??? >> >> Debbie > >I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If >anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small >cauldron.... (don't have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched >out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water >boiling facilty and biggest shelter space. > >Nicole > >===== >Nicole Kipar M.A. >Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >Email: marquis@kipar.org > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 20:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23230 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:12:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77022L15361; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77020h11238; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Npuh07544 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.192.247] (as-5-5.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.192.247]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g76Nps421631 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805123430.00d9e4d0@mail.frys.com> References: <200208041812.g74ICmF14829@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20020805123430.00d9e4d0@mail.frys.com> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:17:30 -0700 Status: RO At 12:48 PM -0700 8/5/02, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >>Anne is right, we do dress differently in the different states. > >In Berkeley and San Francisco, large numbers of people dress in >t-shirts and jeans, altho the number of, how shall I say, 'sartorial >individualists' is much greater here. I spend time in both 'camps'. If I had to characterize the Berkeley "sartorial gestalt", it would probably come down to, "expect to see just about _anything_ as ordinary street wear ... and the cool thing to do is to pretend you didn't notice". Wandering around in downtown Berkeley is pretty much the final exam in unflappability training. I think I'd have to be away from here for a while and then return to come up with a more coherent description of regional style as a whole. A lot of it is the whole "tossed salad" effect, with large portions of the population being relatively recent movers-in (whether from other places in the state, in the US, or across the world), and the prevailing lassaiz-faire attitude towards style means that there's more leeway for people to continue dressing as they're accustomed to. (But then, I don't pay much attention to "fashion" since I don't participate in it much -- I fit in very well here!) Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 20:33:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23320 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g770N5L16434; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g770N4h18570; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.139]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7709mh13859 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 18:09:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g7709fN10205 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:09:42 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807095051.024b27e0@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved In-Reply-To: <20020805073706.91321.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:02:40 +1000 Status: RO > >Kent's lovely, isn't it? Just far too many people and cars! That's due to >blasted London. I used to think that before living in Melbourne. It has been known for it take over 4 hours to drive from one side Melbourne to the other because of the urban sprawl and really bad traffic. I currently live between three major roads including one of the major state highways. A random thought occured to me, the uni fiction library has a map with australia and the us overprinted on it with a comparision to the uk, I might see if I can photcopy it and put it on a webpage. It would give people an idea of distances we are all talking about >Ohhhh, Deal castle, it's a sweetie that one. My absolutely favourite though is >Dover castle, the view from up there over the English channel is just >magnificent! On good days you can see France (and dream of chocolate >croissants...) Never got to visit Dover, my mother never did see the point in visiting it, then again she never saw the attraction in a lot of historical sites. But I did like Leeds and Hever. >When you do, let me know and I 'force' you to come sew with me. :-) And won't that be terrible :). As it is I want to sew a late 17th century dress thanks to your lovely website. : ) I really think this mailing list should come with a warning of something along the lines of different costumes eras are contagious and may lead to sewing of costumes from different eras to which you have no real purpose for and no where to wear them. :) Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 21:36:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23589 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g771QUL19525; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:26:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771QGh09017; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771Fxh05837 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:15:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0G0089L8UK20@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: NASCAR (was Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: <001401c23d63$d0096b10$55144ed8@sgrochoski> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806175629.00c60e10@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20020806143855.28481.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:25 -0700 Status: RO >Nascar is car racing. National Association of Stock Car Automobile Racers. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 21:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23612 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:41:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g771V5L19770; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771V5h10317; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771Fxh05842 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0G0089L8UK20@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: <176.c7eb531.2a81583f@aol.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806180611.00d6e7e0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:53 -0700 Status: RO >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have >the most fun with their clothes. It's not prejudice - they really do. And the most fun with hair and hats. White people have boring hair and hats. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 21:41:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23616 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:41:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g771V9L19784; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771V9h10352; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:31:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g771G0h05848 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0G0089L8UK20@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020806180849.00c60220@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:13:58 -0700 Status: RO >They showed traditionally woven Afghan rugs with pictures of Russian tanks >and weapons on them - apparently this is now a "traditional" design, >showing how they won the most recent glorious victory! I have a friend who has a couple of these, in bath-mat size. Pretty amazing. >I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail >to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into >their own tradition, not the other way round. Their own cultural dress is evolving in spite of any Westernization. They can tell me what year, or what decade, one of their garments is, or at least what generation still wears them. Then there were the Hippies, who wore anything ethnic they could get. It was a brightly-coloured alternative to all those flat, texture-less 'outer-space-look' knit mini-dresses. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23739 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7725ML21466; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7725Kh20373; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76AmFT14617 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-803.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.35] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c1sq-0000IR-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:48:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c23d39$12690d60$230386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020806102155.3086.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:04:43 +0100 Status: RO Hello All, Don't know if I'll make it to the Beer Tent..boo hoo! Long-range forecast looks pretty grim and I can't very well drag the "wah-wah" (baby) down to the BT if it's pouring! DD wouldn't mind, tho', she's a hardened re-enactor at the age of 8! If I can make it, I'll be wearing jeans, a t-shirt with the ECWS "Babe" on it and a stressed-out expression on my face! ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 06 August 2002 11:21 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Kirby Hall - History in Action > --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > > Will almost definitely be in the beer tent at some point on Friday night > > (although when depends on how long it takes to set up the Conquest site, > > after the kit van arrives from Bristol!) > > Same here, have to pick up a member/friend from the train station at around 7. > Poor Tash (if I may toot her horn, she is one of the almost non-existent black > re-enactors in the UK) has done her back in badly and can't hoik her stuff > around very much. > > > Will probably be wearing jeans and t-shirt (barbour and wellies if it rains)! > > > > Debbie. > > I hope I'll remember the button rings! I'll be in the 50s red cross uniform and > if it rains with a cameo army issue rain jacket on top of it. *L* > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23743 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7725YL21491; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7725Yh20451; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76AuCT16455 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 04:56:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-803.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.3.35] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c20Y-0008Ty-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 11:56:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c23d3a$2eced6a0$230386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:12:41 +0100 Status: RO Kate "Welcome to the list, Helen" Many thanks "used to be a musketeer and then a drummer" I am/was a drummer in the ECWS, b4 the baby came along. Are you going to play "Parson's Farewell"? It's mine and my eldest daughter's fave Playford tune and it cheered up our awful rainy Sunday last KH. Do you ever do "Cuckolds All in a Row"? Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: 06 August 2002 09:29 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > (Catching up on posts after being out of the office most of Monday) > >. I do living history with the SK () and also belong to a period music group, an offshoot of the SK, now independent, the Generalls Musick and Players. > I've seen forehead cloths illustrated in the Cunnington book as belonging with the early style of coif, but I've no idea when and why they were worn. > > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:15:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23747 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:15:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7725cL21510; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7725ch20479; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76BpGT28632 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 05:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-923.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.19.155] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17c2rq-00077F-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 12:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c23d41$e0993220$9b1386d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020804135142.66277.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> <001f01c23bd3$9dfdf640$6d2986d9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:07:45 +0100 Status: RO Yep Jean, what a good idea - plastic or LH site? BT - what BT activities! The closest I'll probably get, is a few bottles of "Golden Glory" with my family and my brother - ahh, but what fun! NE1 mind my two daughters coming, too? Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Waddie" To: Sent: 05 August 2002 18:16 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - > time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your > beer-tent enjoyment? > > Jean > > > Helen Partner wrote > >Hello All > > > >Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not > >"performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) > >for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. > >Any takers? > >Regards > > > >Helen > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "N Kipar" > >To: > >Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 > >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > > > > > >> --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, > >> > > >> > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Helen > >> > >> > >> Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate > >are > >> going too. > >> > >> Nicole > >> > >> ===== > >> Nicole Kipar M.A. > >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > >> Email: marquis@kipar.org > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page > >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- > Jean Waddie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:19:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23756 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:19:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7729hL21684; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7729gh21589; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JO0h08381 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020806192354.VDLK20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:23:54 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020806192354.VDLK20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:23:54 -0500 Status: RO > > From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows > Date: 2002/08/05 Mon PM 02:28:59 CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Time and underpinnings > > > >I disagree. It doesn't affect my research in any particularly big way. It > >wasn't that the colonies particularly affected the motherland regarding dress, > >but vice versa. > > What about all that cotton coming in from the American South? I''d think > that affected something, especially after the cotton gin was invented and > made cotton really cheap. > > (I'm talking effect here, not whether or not you care about one particular > period or country.) > > Kayta Not much cotton coming out of the American south in the 17th century. I think you will find the 17th century textile effects are more Indigo, Cochineal (if you include Spanish America), and botanical influences. Her in Virginia at least, cotton was grown, but it was not a cash crop. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:19:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23760 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:19:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7729lL21705; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7729kh21610; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76JXlh14303 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020806193342.VGWF20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:33:42 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020806193342.VGWF20228.out009.verizon.net@localhost> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:33:42 -0500 Status: RO > > From: "Kate M Bunting" > Date: 2002/08/06 Tue AM 04:14:38 CDT > To: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. > > Nicole wrote: > >There is almost nothing here, people doing the 1st person Tudor thing > >at Kentwell but proper re-enactment? Friends do 16th century seamen, but > >otherwise even if I had a costume from Margo's patterns, I wouldn't know > >whereand when to wear it. *pout8 > > There's "The Tudor Group" as well - they do big civilian displays at Kirby. > Those guys look really good too, if their webpage is to be beleived. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 22:19:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23765 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:19:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7729oL21722; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7729nh21632; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Jb0h16196 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from modem-1883.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.23.91] helo=oemcomputer) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cA8Y-0007Uu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:36:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c23d82$f0f18c80$5b1786d9@oemcomputer> From: "Helen Partner" To: References: <20020805194555.25256.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:51:58 +0100 Status: RO Hello All Just a quick link b4 I get over excited http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Cromwell/where.htm Have a look At Oliver Cromwell's mother's portrait. I've just been watching Channel 5's prog on the ECW (seen it b4 on The History Channel) But, low and behold, comes a portrait of Cromwell's mother. On our tv, it looked suspiciously like she was wearing a fc *over* the coif and with the pointy end showing! I could be wrong. Anyway, if anyone wants to have a look at it, a small version is shown at the above link. Comments, puleeeaaase. Regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: Sent: 05 August 2002 20:45 Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > --- Jean Waddie wrote: > > > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I > > can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - > > they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing > > something vital? > > No you are not missing anything vital, this was exactly the point and question, > are these even forehead cloths? Also, the triangular piece wouldn't hang into > the forehead, but the other edge. > Oh, and yes, the pix were small, they are details from paintings. :-) > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 6 23:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24040 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:19:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77392L24921; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77391h08810; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 21:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web12601.mail.yahoo.com (web12601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.224]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g772xdh05939 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 20:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807025939.94095.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.149.174.67] by web12601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 19:59:39 PDT From: Tracy Bossinger Subject: Re:[h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@net.indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807025042.81106.qmail@web12608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO > > >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people > down here seem to have > >the most fun with their clothes. > > > It's not prejudice - they really do. And the most > fun with hair and > hats. White people have boring hair and hats. > > Kayta I live in South Florida and once attended a wedding of a couple with predominantly Bahamian roots. You could tell whether the female guests were related to the bride or the groom according to which one they had: the bride's side all had highly imaginative hats while the groom's side all had extremely elaborate hairstyles. Really made the whole thing very fun! And my father has adapted one of the Cuban styles as his own - the guayabera. Goes great with his Elvis-wannabe almost mutton chops! Tracy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 01:19:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24728 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77593L01030; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77591h11494; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7755Ph10665 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g774pH900770 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:51:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D50ABF5.A6D20437@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020805101937.02743b80@210.49.20.169> <5.1.0.14.0.20020807095051.024b27e0@210.49.20.169> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:11:17 -0600 Status: RO That would be really fun! I get used to thinking that our (US) distances are pretty impressive (at least where I live), but I have this sneaking suspicion that they're *nothing* compared to Australia! --sue Sharon Nevin wrote: > > A random thought occured to me, the uni fiction library has a map with > australia and the us overprinted on it with a comparision to the uk, I > might see if I can photcopy it and put it on a webpage. It would give > people an idea of distances we are all talking about _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 01:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24744 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g775DbL01202; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:13:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g775Dah12598; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:13:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7757Xh11163 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:07:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g774rP901258 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D50AC75.B0D34BE7@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' References: <20020806173630.90481.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:13:25 -0600 Status: RO Oooh...you all look spiffy. That's Ben next to you, isn't it? --sue N Kipar wrote: > > Thought I'd have to share, the only photo they had of us, but I think a nice > one, was taken at the parade, it's nice because it shows the costume 'moving'. > It also shows why I took my petticoat back to Ninya to have it shortened! It > was utterly impractically long. > > http://www.EventPlan.co.uk/photopages/H2%20C18th%201.htm > > Nicole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 02:31:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01085 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g776L5L04214; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g776L4h29427; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g776CGh27172 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:12:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AAFA85901F2; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 01:15:22 -0500 Message-ID: <026001c23dd9$39d2a960$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Another New Class and more Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:11:10 -0400 Status: RO Wondering if one day all the members of h-costume will be Costume Classroom instructors or have a vast wardrobe from taking classes (like Sue C.).... well, I think our new instructor has been on h-costume about as long as I have or longer. Franchesca Havas, aka Chesca aka Ches, will be teaching a class starting Sept. 16 called "Elizabethan Glove Making: Make your own pair of gloves." Franchesca will be supplying the kits for the class. The Glove Making class will end the week before Stephen Bergdahl teaches his class, "Making an Elizabethan Lady's Wardrobe: Outer Garments" from Margo Anderson's pattern. His class starts late October. Some more exciting news... Mara Jean Davis, who joined h-costume recently, won a contract yesterday to build parasols for a new Nicole Kidman film. YIPPEE!!! We are all in amazement... Jennie Chancey (who we all love dearly) is due to have her 4th child anyday now. She plans to start teaching her new class Monday, "Fact or Fantasy? A Look at Costumes in Recent Regency Film Adaptations." {I promise that I am not a slave driver} Jennie gave birth to son #3 while teaching a class for us. The day after she gave birth, she pulled a laptop in the bed and chatted costumes with her students. That is devotion to teaching and costume! Well, I guess I have caught you all up! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 02:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07989 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g776Y1L04759; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g776Y0h02923; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:34:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g776Mbh29810 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:22:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 06:22:20 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 X-Sender-Ip: 129.219.101.95 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 02:22:20 -0400 Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, >> and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing >> hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to >> the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. >> I'm not sure if you are talking about the same styles of hijab that I'm familliar with from what I saw Muslim women wearing in India or not, but afaik it isn't a seperate cap. Rather the headscarf is draped in such a way as to give the appearance of a seperate cap. I stink at describing things like this, but basically the scarf is first draped over the head coming down onto the forehead, with the scarf shorter on one side of the head. Then the longer side is pulled across the chest and over the head (on about the middle of the head) and then tucked in on the side that was initally left longer. When a triangular scarf is worn it is often folded on either side of the forehead, which can also give the appearance of a seperate cap. Hope this helps, Katie --- Buffy: Does it ever get easy? Giles: You mean life? Buffy: Yeah. Does it get easy? Giles: What do you want me to say? Buffy: (looks up at him) Lie to me. Giles: (considers a moment) Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after. Buffy: Liar __________________________________________________________ Win a First Class Trip to Hawaii to Vacation Elvis Style! http://r.lycos.com/r/sagel_mail/http://www.elvis.lycos.com/sweepstakes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 03:35:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06708 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g777P3L06271; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g777P1h14457; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:25:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g777N3h14037 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807072302.81207.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:23:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photo of Marlburian Officer and Lady 'in action' To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D50AC75.B0D34BE7@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:23:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Oooh...you all look spiffy. That's Ben next to you, isn't it? > --sue Yes it is, he's carrying our regiment's flag. Technically he shouldn't... he portrays an officer (though he also technically appears as being not on duty in that pic because the gorget he should wear when on duty was not delivered by the person who cashed the cheque and never delivered the gorget! Do NOT buy ever from Andrew from Military Metalworks in the UK. he cashed 70 pounds 2 years ago, never did we see the goods and instead he apparently sold the gorget he did make with ben's money to someone else!!!! We are thinking about going to court now. Uhm, sorry fr the angry interlude, I'm just really upset about that) anyway, an ensign should carry the flag, and it is aptly so the regiment's ensign flag, therw ould be others as well, but specially commissioned sewn flags are expensive! Cheerio Nicole - still stitching on Ben's blasted coat... ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 03:52:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29736 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:52:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g777g1L06870; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g777g0h18176; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40006.mail.yahoo.com (web40006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.24]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g777Rjh15065 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807072739.21262.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:27:39 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020806152428.35244.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:27:39 +0100 (BST) Status: RO > Claire and her hubby, they used to be members of Angelcynn. Claire King? She managed to get hold of some lovely chocolate brown wool for the doublet I'm making at the moment. As well as raising the tastiest pigs around. > Well, I can assure you, I am certain it could be done for less than that when > resourcing world wide. All in all my 1700 outfit approximates £4500-5000 or so, > but that's because I sourced fabrics, 19th c. handmade laces, 19th c. ribbons, > genuine pearls etc. via the internet from all over the world. I dread to think > how much it would have been if I hadn't hunted for about a year (nay, longer, > more like two years) for all the supplies. Well, I didn't make the dress of > course, that added to the cost a lot, Ninya is not cheap. *laughs* oh no.... > Anyway, that's why I really, really HATE rain when I'm in my kit. The one member of the group who does have a silk suit and a very large ruff also has this strange aversion to rain. Well his ruff would go all floppy if he did! That and most of the group would find the whole episode highly amusing! > Please do tell us, how would you PERFECT pucker Tudor aristocratic be made of > and put together? I'm so curious!!!! Well for a start you could prety much do the whole thing in silk. The smock could still be of linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is around £11 a metre, which isn't too bad. Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either real whalebone or reeds. My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable than those done with the plastic or metal bones. Real whalebone is where you start to see the huge costs coming in as it is amazingly expensive stuff. You have a ruff for the neck, which can be an awful lot of fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. Partlet, probably embroidered. Then you have a farthingale which is linen and willow (fairly cheap), bum roll (linen and wool). Petticoats which will be silk. Then you can either have a kirtle or a forepart depending on the king of gown you are going to wear over the top, this is of course silk. Then comes the gown over the top. Bearing in mind that silk woven to a C16 pattern has been sourced but it costs £120-£240 a metre you can start to see why the cost adds up. This is all without the accessories, embroidered gloves, stomacher, shoes etc that you would need to finish it off. It isn't hard to see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole thing ready for next season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! That's a quick overview and I am sure I have left things out along the way. It's much simpler doing lower gentry (and cheaper) as your clothes are planer and made of wool. One day, though! Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA31193 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:17:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77875L08004; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77874h24017; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g777ubh21584 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 01:56:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:56:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807072739.21262.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:56:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > > Claire King? She managed to get hold of some lovely chocolate brown wool for > the doublet I'm > making at the moment. As well as raising the tastiest pigs around. Yep, that's her, known her for years but haven't been in contact much lately because she ventured on to Tudor and I am mainly doing L'Age d'Or now. Also, Gloucester is far away and Ben's mum who used to live there died this Easter, so there is no more reason to go to Gloucestershire. (other tan visiting Sarah Juniper :-) > The one member of the group who does have a silk suit and a very large ruff > also has this strange > aversion to rain. Well his ruff would go all floppy if he did! That and > most of the group would > find the whole episode highly amusing! *laughs!* at least my fontange would only flop forwards. Oh, that reminds me, but remember to take spraystarch with me, coz we'll stay in the Hilton round the corner to the Kirby hall site that means I can at least iron and starch it in the morning if everything goes haywire. > Well for a start you could prety much do the whole thing in silk. Ahh, there we are. Okay, when I got my superb Imperial silk taffeta for the blue dress that Bjarne made me I paid £40 per meter. Ouch. Well.. now I know taht the exact same fabric is available for about £15 pounds! You just have to know the right person to buy it and not buy via a retailer (and certainly not Radhika's in Bristol) The smock > could still be of > linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is > around £11 a metre, which > isn't too bad. I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than £6 per meter. They are in Leicester. Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either > real whalebone or > reeds. Real whalebone??? I don't think so dear, and I must admit I would go bonkers if you did and I woud indeed notify the RSPCA. Whalebone (whales) is strictly under protection!!! Where the hell would you get it from? I am most intrigued, and no, am sorry, not in a good way. How could anyone want to use anything from a whale still nowadays? Sorry.... but our whale population is dwindling fast and the thought of using something from a whale and thus probably just indirectly, but nevertheless, encourage their demise makes my blood boil. Sorry. *S* My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable > than those done with > the plastic or metal bones. I can imagine, but since I don't make my own and shell out several hundred per corset I prefer artificial whalebone, because that lets them live longer. I wish I didn't despise making cosets so much. :-) Real whalebone is where you start to see the > huge costs coming in as > it is amazingly expensive stuff. See above, sorry but I could not condone such a think, I find the thought horrific. We know now that whales are highly intelligent, and maybe even more so than we humans are, I admire whales, I find them most fascinating, they communicate to each other, they do all sorts of things that we think only humans do, I could not possibly fathom that. gh, sorry I shut up now. Is just that I really do love whales. Uhm. You have a ruff for the neck, which can be > an awful lot of > fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. What is the ruff made of? I never made one so I don't have a clue. Is it fine linen? Partlet, probably > embroidered. Lovely, that sounds yummy. I like blackwork, such a shame it isn't used in the period I do anymore. Then you > have a farthingale which is linen and willow (fairly cheap), bum roll (linen > and wool). > Petticoats which will be silk. Then you can either have a kirtle or a > forepart depending on the > king of gown you are going to wear over the top, this is of course silk. > Then comes the gown over > the top. Bearing in mind that silk woven to a C16 pattern has been sourced > but it costs £120-£240 > a metre you can start to see why the cost adds up. I still cannot possibly see £15.000 sorry my dear. £5.000 maybe, but 15.000? Nope. This is all without the > accessories, > embroidered gloves, stomacher, shoes etc that you would need to finish it > off. It isn't hard to Yes and where is that different from my period? Granted, I don't have embroidered gloves (because women didn't wear those anymore, the only embroidered ones which still linger are in the early 1660s for men) > see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole > thing ready for next > season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! *laughs* for next season? Now THAT makes a difference for sure. > That's a quick overview and I am sure I have left things out along the way. > It's much simpler > doing lower gentry (and cheaper) as your clothes are planer and made of wool. And much more booooooooooooooring *grins* I am though getting together a set of middle class kit for me, there is no way I want to continue stomping about in the mud in a mantua or silk gown. Yikes! Wool can be your friend.... Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:30:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17430 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778K5L08390; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778K3h27221; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7789nh24753 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807080948.13854.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:09:48 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020807095051.024b27e0@210.49.20.169> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:09:48 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > > And won't that be terrible :). As it is I want to sew a late 17th century > dress thanks to your lovely website. : ) I really think this mailing list > should come with a warning of something along the lines of different > costumes eras are contagious and may lead to sewing of costumes from > different eras to which you have no real purpose for and no where to wear > them. :) You just have to be our Australian 'virtual' member then and if you can back it to a big event, then you have the kit. :-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:47:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17479 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:47:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778b6L09054; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778b5h01395; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778JUh27104 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:19:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04257.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:20:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:19:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778JUh27104 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:19:03 +0100 Status: RO I'm not camping on site this year, but in a fellow-member's garden a few miles away and may well be sharing transport, so count me out, thanks. But do look me up in the house, and I will try and find your respective camps when I have some free time. We are performing at 1.00 and 3.00 each day. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk 08/05/02 06:16pm >>> Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing - time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your beer-tent enjoyment? Jean Helen Partner wrote >Hello All > >Anyone fancy meeting up at KH? We're (daughters and myself) not >"performing" but will probably get "in kit" (weather and baby-permitting) >for some of the time, so our time is our own. Our group is finished by 1pm. >Any takers? >Regards > >Helen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N Kipar" >To: >Sent: 04 August 2002 14:51 >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action > > >> --- Helen Partner wrote: > Morning all, >> > >> > Just a quick question - is anyone going to Kirby Hall next weekend? >> > >> > Regards >> > Helen >> >> >> Hi Helen, yes I will be going. As far as I know Teddy, Mel, Jean and Kate >are >> going too. >> >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 04:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA17525 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778l8L09287; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778l7h03353; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:47:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40011.mail.yahoo.com (web40011.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.29]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g778Ogh28135 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807082437.64760.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40011.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:24:37 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:24:37 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > Yep, that's her, known her for years but haven't been in contact much lately > because she ventured on to Tudor and I am mainly doing L'Age d'Or now. Also, > Gloucester is far away and Ben's mum who used to live there died this Easter, > so there is no more reason to go to Gloucestershire. (other tan visiting Sarah > Juniper :-) She'll be at Kirby this year with the group. Can't remember what they will be doing though, or indeed where they will be. > The smock > > could still be of > > linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is > > around £11 a metre, which > > isn't too bad. > > I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than £6 > per meter. They are in Leicester. I'd be interested in that, if you care to pass on the details? > Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either > > real whalebone or > > reeds. > > Real whalebone??? I don't think so dear, and I must admit I would go bonkers if > you did and I woud indeed notify the RSPCA. Whalebone (whales) is strictly > under protection!!! Where the hell would you get it from? I am most intrigued, > and no, am sorry, not in a good way. How could anyone want to use anything > from a whale still nowadays? Sorry.... but our whale population is dwindling > fast and the thought of using something from a whale and thus probably just > indirectly, but nevertheless, encourage their demise makes my blood boil. > Sorry. *S* I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, but the Elizabethans did. Fortunately there are alternatives that we can use and still be completely authentic, such as the reeds or bents. >> My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable > > than those done with > > the plastic or metal bones. > > I can imagine, but since I don't make my own and shell out several hundred per > corset I prefer artificial whalebone, because that lets them live longer. I > wish I didn't despise making cosets so much. :-) > My corset was one of the first things I made. Not too diffcult but I'm glad I won't have to ram the reeds down it again for a few more years at least. It seriously hurts your fingers. You'd never beliwve that what looks like a thick blade of grass could possibly be so tough. > > You have a ruff for the neck, which can be > > an awful lot of > > fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. > > What is the ruff made of? I never made one so I don't have a clue. Is it fine > linen? It is as fine a linen as you can get hold of. For some ruffs you could have up to 12 times your neck measurement gathered, pined and set. They are very fidly to get right particuarly setting the pleats themselves, hence why you don't want your starch dissolving in the rain. > Partlet, probably > > embroidered. > > Lovely, that sounds yummy. I like blackwork, such a shame it isn't used in the > period I do anymore. It's one of my favourite types of embroidery, so stylish. The main problem with it is having to carry the patterns round in your head as trying to copy directly from a book never looks right. > I still cannot possibly see £15.000 sorry my dear. £5.000 maybe, but 15.000? > Nope. Either way it's more money than I can afford on a scientists salary! > > see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole > > thing ready for next > > season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! > > *laughs* for next season? Now THAT makes a difference for sure. Sponsers don't always even give you that much notice! I'm sure it's the same for your period, it's not so much the cost of the materials as the wages for the people who are to make it up. > > That's a quick overview and I am sure I have left things out along the way. > > It's much simpler > > doing lower gentry (and cheaper) as your clothes are planer and made of wool. > > And much more booooooooooooooring *grins* I know! Some events you catch a look at yourself in the mirror and think "What a frump!", I'd love to do something posher, perhaps I'll diversify once I have my Tudor kit complete. > I am though getting together a set of middle class kit for me, there is no way > I want to continue stomping about in the mud in a mantua or silk gown. Yikes! > Wool can be your friend.... That must look really fetching - fantastic silk mantua splattered with mud. For events like Kirby wool is certianly practicle, not perhaps always flattering. Have a lovely time at Kirby, perhaps we'll get to meet up at some other event/traders fair some time. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:03:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17556 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:03:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778r4L09406; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778r3h04575; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:53:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778fIh02282 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05637.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:42:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:41:14 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778fIh02282 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:40:55 +0100 Status: RO She obviously outlived her husband by a long time - is it what they call a "widow's peak"? I enjoyed the programme, but there were some odd choices of background pictures. A Pieter de Hoogh interior was shown for no obvious reason during commentary about the King's execution, and the painting of Charles dictating to an officer using a drum as a table was shown in such a way as to imply that they thought the other man was Cromwell! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby >>> mail@helandbel.fsnet.co.uk 08/06/02 08:51pm >>> Hello All Just a quick link b4 I get over excited http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Cromwell/where.htm Have a look At Oliver Cromwell's mother's portrait. I've just been watching Channel 5's prog on the ECW (seen it b4 on The History Channel) But, low and behold, comes a portrait of Cromwell's mother. On our tv, it looked suspiciously like she was wearing a fc *over* the coif and with the pointy end showing! I could be wrong. Anyway, if anyone wants to have a look at it, a small version is shown at the above link. Comments, puleeeaaase. Regards Helen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17562 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:04:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g778sZL09469; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778sYh04962; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g778kxh03322 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:46:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807084659.92467.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:46:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:46:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Nicole, > > At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I > shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are, > I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also > has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. > > I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? That's perfectly fine, Jean. I am not 100% sure yet where we are, even Mark Griffin wasn't certain! Said that we might be in the 'village' (????) I don't have a clue where that is, can't see it on the map, but will probably be with the Napoleonics. hang on, just in case you haven't seen it yet, here's a map: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/map-kirby.gif We have four members who might occupy the comfy chairs :-) but we have stools and benches. You're most welcome! cake is always appreciated. :-)) In regards to coke, full fat or diet? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17634 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:26:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779GBL10018; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779GAh24065; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778RJh28943 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04807.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:28:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:27:17 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778RJh28943 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:27:00 +0100 Status: RO >>I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail >>to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into >>their own tradition, not the other way round. >Their own cultural dress is evolving in spite of any Westernization. They >can tell me what year, or what decade, one of their garments is, or at >least what generation still wears them. A Sikh colleague of mine and her husband ran a business some years ago importing modern fashions of Punjabi costume, which you could not then buy here in Derby, UK - i.e. the traditional tunic and trousers, but in unusual fabrics and cuts. She wears Western dress at work, but I saw her in some of their stock at social events. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:26:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17638 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:26:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779GNL10036; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779GMh24127; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g778Uuh29876 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05083.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:32:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:30:55 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g778Uuh29876 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:30:33 +0100 Status: RO Helen wrote: >Are you going to play "Parson's Farewell"? It's mine and my eldest >daughter's fave Playford tune and it cheered up our awful rainy Sunday last >KH. Do you ever do "Cuckolds All in a Row"? Both tunes are in our repertoire, but I don't think either is in the programmes for this weekend. If you come along we'll have to see what we can do! Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17654 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:30:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779L1L10143; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779L0h08424; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7798Yh08021 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807090834.93957.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:08:34 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807082437.64760.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:08:34 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > She'll be at Kirby this year with the group. Can't remember what they will > be doing though, or > indeed where they will be. I saw her at Cressing Temple last, and at last year's Kirby. Have to check the map where they might be. > I'd be interested in that, if you care to pass on the details? I have their phone number at home, but they will surely be at the (formerly Oxford) now Warwick market. > I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, > but the Elizabethans > did. Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Fortunately there are alternatives that we can use and still be > completely authentic, such > as the reeds or bents. Very true, though not in my period and not for the level of society I portray. It was baleen, and in all of the surviving corsets it is baleen. > > My corset was one of the first things I made. Not too diffcult but I'm glad > I won't have to ram > the reeds down it again for a few more years at least. It seriously hurts > your fingers. You'd > never beliwve that what looks like a thick blade of grass could possibly be > so tough. Yikes! It sounds even worse than the by now hated red coat, where I had/have to sew with a custom made leather thimble (or the silk thread just tears away when using a normal thimble), a leather needle to sew through the wool (!) and pliers to pull the blasted needle back out after I've 'hammered' it in. > It is as fine a linen as you can get hold of. For some ruffs you could have > up to 12 times your > neck measurement gathered, pined and set. They are very fidly to get right > particuarly setting > the pleats themselves, hence why you don't want your starch dissolving in the > rain. Oh I can imagine, it sounds like a major amount of work! > Either way it's more money than I can afford on a scientists salary! I can't afford my dresses (and all the tent equipment either)! I don't have a mortgage nor pay I rent though. Next year I really really have to steer clear from new costumes. > Sponsers don't always even give you that much notice! I'm sure it's the same > for your period, > it's not so much the cost of the materials as the wages for the people who > are to make it up. Ahhh, but I don't let THEM dictate what we will wear. I tell them which decade we do when and hw we can accomodate them and if they don't agree, tough. Also, we only do events that sound fun. I would like to do more museum and stately home work, just for one reason, it doesn't matter that it rains! We are invited to do Wrest park next year (they have a lovely orangery) and to have a tea party as well as period supper for the spectators. now I can live with that... > I know! Some events you catch a look at yourself in the mirror and think > "What a frump!", I'd > love to do something posher, perhaps I'll diversify once I have my Tudor kit > complete. Trust me, doing early Anglo-Saxon or late Roman is worse! I 'hated' all those ladies in te very chic clothes during the day and in the eertent while I was inthat awful sausage-type peplos gown (sausage coz it makes you look like one tied in the midle) or layers of coloured linen all wrapped around and making you look fat and unstylish. Now though I wish myself back to being ugly in those, when I am frightened todeath taht something might spill onto my dresses *LOL* I have to seriously learn how to be content and happy at any given time.. > That must look really fetching - fantastic silk mantua splattered with mud. Ohhhh no..... just don't go out of teh shelter then. > For events like Kirby > wool is certianly practicle, not perhaps always flattering. Oh it can be, I have a lovely dark green skirt and it goes well with the cherry silk bodice. A fine wool together with a silk something is no proble for affluent midle class. Nicole - wanting to wear army boots on her feet in the mud under the skirts though! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 05:31:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17658 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:31:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779L5L10157; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779L4h08442; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:21:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g779CVh08989 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807091230.29675.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:12:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:12:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Kate M Bunting wrote: > She obviously outlived her husband by a long time - is it what they call a > "widow's peak"? That could well be, Kate. Also, there are several types of these middle-peaked coifs in my collection of images, and they are part of the actual coif, not a separate thing. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1661_WOMAN_METSU.JPG Her black coif peaks. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1663_DANCING-COUPLE_STEEN5.JPG Her white one does. http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/temp/Focus/1665-68_RHETORICIANS_STEEN.JPG Hers is extra cute. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:05:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17776 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779t4L11108; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779t0h16099; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779e3h12884 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g779e2q21317 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:01 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, N Kipar wrote: > I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than £6 > per meter. They are in Leicester. Oooh - do they have a website? Or do mail order outside the UK? Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:05:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17780 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g779tKL11122; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g779tIh16163; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g779suh16062 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807095455.74345.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.1.45.6] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:54:55 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208070222.g772MDh25254@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1156 - 14 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:54:55 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd agree with Jean, too many people and not enough space on the Conquest site, even with the big shelter. Coupled with the fact that all of the real cooking stuff belongs to the group (cauldron and fire, etc.) And thanks, but I don't mind bringing my own coke (not like there'll be a shortage of places to get it!) Debbie. >Nicole, >At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I >shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are, >I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also >has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. >I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? >Jean >>N Kipar wrote >>> --- Debbie Lough wrote: > >>> Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead, >>> (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on >>> whose campsite)??? >>> >>> Debbie > >>I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If >>anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small >>cauldron.... (don't have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched >>out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water >>boiling facilty and biggest shelter space. > >>Nicole --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 I'd agree with Jean, too many people and not enough space on the Conquest site, even with the big shelter.  Coupled with the fact that all of the real cooking stuff belongs to the group (cauldron and fire, etc.) 

And thanks, but I don't mind bringing my own coke (not like there'll be a shortage of places to get it!)

Debbie.



>Nicole,

>At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I
>shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you are,
>I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it also
>has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it.

>I can bring our little gas stove - and cake?

>Jean


>>N Kipar wrote
>>> --- Debbie Lough wrote: >
>>> Brilliant idea! (Only could I skip the actual tea, and have coke instead,
>>> (being a non-tea-or-coffee-person)?) Only other problem is where (ie, on
>>> whose campsite)???
>>>
>>> Debbie
>
>>I don't have coke but could buy some. We have a shelter, coffee and tea. If
>>anyone has a better facility though for making hot water other than a small
>>cauldron.... (don't! have the coveted big one yet, finances are well stretched
>>out *L*) then I'd suggest we meet at the camping site with the easiest water
>>boiling facilty and biggest shelter space.
>
>>Nicole


Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs.

http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-1471684590-1028714095=:74242-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:30:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17889 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77AKCL11832; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77AKBh22232; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g779xVh17075 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 03:59:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807095930.64937.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:59:30 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807095455.74345.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:59:30 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Debbie Lough wrote: > > I'd agree with Jean, too many people and not enough space on the Conquest > site, even with the big shelter. Coupled with the fact that all of the real > cooking stuff belongs to the group (cauldron and fire, etc.) That's fine, I 'forewarned' my members and lured them with Jean's cake. I better get some bikkies too. > And thanks, but I don't mind bringing my own coke (not like there'll be a > shortage of places to get it!) Rightyho! I have sugar and milk. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17894 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77AKML11849; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77AKMh22306; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77A0kh17440 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807100045.92585.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:00:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Linen supplier, was Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:00:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Ingrid_G._Storrø wrote: > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, N Kipar wrote: > > I have a source for utterly delicious finest Irish linen for no more than > £6 > > per meter. They are in Leicester. > > Oooh - do they have a website? Or do mail order outside the UK? > > Ingrid No they don't have aweb site, sorry, they only have good old telephone. Unfortunately I just realised that they moved and they gave me their new number at Hounslow, now can I find it? Noooooo!!! I have to hope they are at the Kirby market. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:34:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17910 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77AOTL11969; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77AOSh23370; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77A7Oh19081 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:07:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:07:24 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:07:24 +0100 (BST) Status: RO I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood and tears, that is no fun. I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. What I like best is making accessories. What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 06:47:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17967 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Ab5L12357; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:37:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Ab4h26263; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77AM6h22752 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807102201.27987.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:22:01 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807090834.93957.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:22:01 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > --- Rachel wrote: > I saw her at Cressing Temple last, and at last year's Kirby. Have to check the > map where they might be. Good luck, last years map was more a hindrance than a help! I got totally lost trying to find the group. > I have their phone number at home, but they will surely be at the (formerly > Oxford) now Warwick market. To be honest I had no idea it had moved. I guess I must have missed the notices in March. Do you have any more details, I have a mounting shopping list for Christmas goodies! > Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if > in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems > using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period > fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood > now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Slaughtering any animal should, in my opinion, only ever be done in a humane way and for a suitable purpose. I don't consider it either justifable, necessary or in any way right that an animal should be hunted to the brink of extinction and in such as mannar. Harpooning is a horrid way to die, being neither quick nor painless. It makes me sick to even think about it. I don't want to you get the idea that I was recommending the use of whalebone. Aside from the animals rights to life etc, it is impracticle for a living history costume that is only going to be worn a couple of times a year. The bones need the heat and moisture of the body or else they become brittle and useless. This just adds insult to injury. Not only has a magnificent animal been slaughtered, but the bones are now totally useless and have to be thrown away! > Fortunately there are alternatives that we can use and still be > > completely authentic, such > > as the reeds or bents. > > Very true, though not in my period and not for the level of society I portray. > It was baleen, and in all of the surviving corsets it is baleen. Unfortunately very few Elizabethan corsets have survived. But one that has is boned with reeds not whalebone. At least I can use the reeds, rather than resorting to man-made bones. > Yikes! It sounds even worse than the by now hated red coat, where I had/have to > sew with a custom made leather thimble (or the silk thread just tears away when > using a normal thimble), a leather needle to sew through the wool (!) and > pliers to pull the blasted needle back out after I've 'hammered' it in. Any sewing that I get that needs that kind of force gets handed over to Simon. While not a sewer his fingers are at least 10x stronger than mine and I don't end up with holes in my thumbs! I hope the coat was worth all the blood and tears in the end. > Ahhh, but I don't let THEM dictate what we will wear. I tell them which decade > we do when and hw we can accomodate them and if they don't agree, tough. Also, > we only do events that sound fun. I would like to do more museum and stately > home work, just for one reason, it doesn't matter that it rains! We are invited > to do Wrest park next year (they have a lovely orangery) and to have a tea > party as well as period supper for the spectators. now I can live with that... Every so often there are mumerings of doing a posh event by some of the sponsers until we give them a quote for the cost of the costumes. They become quite interested in the lower classes at that point! > Trust me, doing early Anglo-Saxon or late Roman is worse! I 'hated' all those > ladies in te very chic clothes during the day and in the eertent while I was > inthat awful sausage-type peplos gown (sausage coz it makes you look like one > tied in the midle) or layers of coloured linen all wrapped around and making > you look fat and unstylish. Now though I wish myself back to being ugly in > those, when I am frightened todeath taht something might spill onto my dresses > *LOL* I have to seriously learn how to be content and happy at any given time.. Every so often I fancy doing early Georgian, just for the embroidery. However the need for a wig usually puts me off. Tudor's great if you have shorter hair as you can just stuff it into a coif. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 07:34:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18174 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:34:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77BO6L13975; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:24:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77BO3h08069; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77BD8h05350 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 05:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA06289 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:14:38 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: H-Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted > redcoat) what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't > like making the costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why > I always start so late. I don't even particularly like sewing. > ... > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. Oh, how funny, Nicole! You and I should make a team! After spending years making full outfits to wear, I found I was less interested in "playing" in reenactment and more interested in just the costume research. As I began sewing only what I needed to support the research, I realized that I had never liked doing the accessories -- headdress, hose, shoes, belts, jewelry, pouches, gloves -- and did them only because I needed to complete the outfits for purposes of wearing them. Once I stopped needing to wear them, I stopped sewing them. What I like best is working out the big things -- figuring out the cut of a garment so it uses a fabric type and width appropriate for the period, a range of technologies known in the period, and a sequence of steps that could be done by the type of people who did the work with the tools they had available, and so that it produces a result that drapes as it appears in pictures and behaves as described in documents. Once I have the cutting method down, I lose interest. I never bother to add trim or decorations, and I may not even finish the seams or hem unless I'm testing how it affects the wear/hang. Rather than make a piece for myself to wear, now, I usually find a willing student/model of suitable body type who will let me experiment on her/him. It's easier to do the fitting that way, anyway. Then that person takes the stuff away and trims it and accessorizes it and wears it to reenactments and reports back to me. Sometimes I'm smart enough to take pictures before it disappears forever :-P I have to have a certain number of costumes for myself, mostly for lecture and demonstration purposes, which is very annoying. But it's more reliable than trying to get my test subjects in the same place as my lectures. One year at the International Medieval Congress at Kalamazoo I managed to get three of my fitted dress subjects in one place so I could actually present a paper on the topic. I scheduled that lecture for the year that one of the women was giving a paper of her own -- she wouldn't have come to the conference otherwise. The other two were regulars, fortunately. The three of them had three distinct body types (one tall and voluptuous, one slender and willowy, one short and plump) and their dresses were in three different fabrics (silk, linen, wool). I don't think I could ever pull that one off again. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:12:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32066 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:12:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77D24L17588; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:02:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77D22h02331; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77D1eh02192 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77ClX912247 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:47:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D511B94.63CB2C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] How I got involved References: <20020807080948.13854.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:07:32 -0600 Status: RO No kidding! ;-) I came into just doing primarily 16th c. English/French, and now there's the Anglo-Saxon, and the 13th c. German, and the Gothic Fitted Gowns, and the 16th c. middle-class Flemish, and a Restoration dress (like some of the stuff Nicole's got...I keep drooling at that blue dress Bjarne made!), and some mid-late 18th c. American Colonial clothing (middle-class, here), and I'd really love a sack-backed gown, and one of those great outfits with the shorter gown and quilted petticoats.... --Sue > --- Sharon Nevin wrote: > > > > And won't that be terrible :). As it is I want to sew a late 17th century > > dress thanks to your lovely website. : ) I really think this mailing list > > should come with a warning of something along the lines of different > > costumes eras are contagious and may lead to sewing of costumes from > > different eras to which you have no real purpose for and no where to wear > > them. :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32174 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DN5L18572; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DN4h08928; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77D4Zh03199 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:04:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807130435.19384.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:04:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807102201.27987.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:04:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > To be honest I had no idea it had moved. I guess I must have missed the > notices in March. Do you > have any more details, I have a mounting shopping list for Christmas goodies! I only found out at Hounslow, traders had the notice on the market. It's at the Warwick leasure centre or something, I don't know more yet either. > Every so often there are mumerings of doing a posh event by some of the > sponsers until we give > them a quote for the cost of the costumes. They become quite interested in > the lower classes at > that point! Quote for costumes? Now that's a new one, so you vary the fee according to what you wear? Interesting concept, I guess that's why we always just struggle around the insurance-payment mark, we only do what looks like fun and some of the fun things are not paid at all but fun-fun. *L* > Every so often I fancy doing early Georgian, just for the embroidery. > However the need for a wig > usually puts me off. Why? It's not a problem at all to wear a wig. A good wig feels just like a hat and no worse. It really isn't bad. *S* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:33:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32181 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:33:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DNGL18585; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DNFh09013; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77D6eh03891 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:06:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77CqW913628 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 06:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D511CC1.BEF10274@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020806151929.16402.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:12:33 -0600 Status: RO Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I pretty-please have your clothing budget? --Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( N Kipar wrote: > > *snippage* > I just paid 3000 pound sterling for my mantua. Yes, that's just the > dress, not the wig, not the shoes, not the accessories other than the fontange. > I don't think one of their uniforms is £ 3000 (that's 4700 dollars appr.), > well, I'm talking about your ordinary foot soldier here. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32199 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DRNL18870; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DRLh10395; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DHph07240 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:17:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0PECKX5C004444@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:17:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0PEC6QOC003P5Z@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:17:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:18 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:01 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:00 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian In-reply-to: <200208041812.g74ICtF14859@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D5E4CC3963@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Actually, some people from England aren't English - they're British. I > met a man from up near the Scottish/English border not far from > Yorkshire who told me about the first time he was called English here > in the States. He thought they were referring to someone else, > because, as he said "I'm not English, I'm British. I have no Saxon > blood". York was part of England pre 1603, but he claimed his > ethnicity from further back than England! Actually, I always maintain to be English, not British. I am from England, not Ireland, Wales or Scotland, therefore I am English. I think it should be more a matter of personal preference (English vs. British, Welsh vs. British etc) rather than a hard and fast rule. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32226 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Da2L19378; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Da1h13165; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DJoh07779 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77D5g917115 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:05:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:25:42 -0600 Status: RO Ooooh....good one. My favorite parts are probably the research, planning and the initial stages (where I'm choosing among fabrics and buttons and trims in my fabric stash)....I'm really lousy about follow-through, which means I've been living with a whole lot of unfinished stuff that I'm now giving away locally (on an SCA list for my region/kingdom). I used to just adore sewing on the machine, but spent nine years doing it for a living (2 as a tailor/alterations person in a dry cleaners, and 7 making tents, tipis, etc.), and that just about ruined it for me, even if it did get me to a scary-fast stage where I like to do basic straight sewing and such without pins. So my favorite parts of actual sewing are things like the embroidery for the caps and shifts, and I'm learning hand-sewing stitches for the seams, and learning to make bobbin laces and passementaire (sp?) so I can do my own lace and braids for my 16th c. stuff. And I kinda enjoy hand-rolled hems on veils and such. My least-favorite sewing would have to be the really boring utilitarian cr@p like endless hems, or hand-sewing a bodice lining to a curved armhole. And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. --Sue N Kipar wrote: > > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:50:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32247 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:50:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DeKL19589; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DeJh14565; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:40:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DNwh09292 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:23:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0PLTAZM80048X0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:23:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0PLRLVHA003F55@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:23:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:19:17 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:18:20 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:18:12 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, In-reply-to: <200208041812.g74ICtF14859@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D5FB7A450A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:18:11 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > and the New Zealand men! WHOOHOO! *thinks she has to > move to Kiwi land* Nicole! Your liking for men in skirts is showing again! Besides, most of the Kiwi's are in England or travelling the world anyway. I swear that I meet more new-zealanders who are "travelling" to see the world or who have relocated to England than any other nationality! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32263 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DiQL19813; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DiPh15905; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:44:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DPgh09871 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA16832 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: H-Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hm...I have to say that what I really love is the preliminary research, the designing of the pattern and fitting of the sloper. My other favorite part of the process is putting the finished garment on and saying "wow! It worked perfectly!" (which doesn't happen as often as I like, but is really cool when it does.) Everything in between--hand finishing, buttonholes & lacing holes (oh, the humanity!), hem-stitching, fiddling with pleats, basting, re-fitting and adjusting, etc. is so-so. But that first fitted sloper inspires me, and looking forward to the finished garment is what keeps me going. After that, the thing I like best is having an excuse to hold several yards of luxurious fabric between my hands for hours on end. ;> Drea On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* > Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, > or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood > and tears, that is no fun. > I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and > even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled > seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and > peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32292 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DmYL20029; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DmXh17271; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77DQ3h09992 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:26:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:26:02 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D511CC1.BEF10274@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:26:02 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I pretty-please have your clothing budget? > --Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( *LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32296 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:58:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DmhL20052; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Dmhh17354; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DXBh12178 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77DJ3920808 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5122F4.637A89CF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807072739.21262.qmail@web40006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 07:39:00 -0600 Status: RO You guys in the UK can actually *get* real whalebone? I think it's a forbidden import here in the US...if I wanted to do a corset or pair of bodies with whalebone, I'd have to use the fake stuff (I hear there are some reasonable plastic substitutes, but I haven't pursued them). The costs thing here for doing the more elaborate time periods authentically is really interesting....I've been a big fan of 16th c. stuff for a long time (love the elaborate combinations, textures, colors, etc.), and, being in the SCA, could make fairly cheap alternatives using metallic trims, fake pearls, cotton upholstery fabrics, etc. Now, thanks to the influence of folks on this list in particular ! (thanks so much ;-), I've definitely moved from the glitzy-but-acceptable-where-I-am to the plainer-but-more-authentic. And it's just as much fun. I'm having a hell of a time finding any useful wools, though.....*sigh*..... --Sue Rachel wrote: > > > Well for a start you could prety much do the whole thing in silk. The smock could still be of > linen and the linen fabric that I can get hold of direct from Ireland is around £11 a metre, which > isn't too bad. Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either real whalebone or > reeds. My own corset is boned with reeds and it is so much more comfortable than those done with > the plastic or metal bones. Real whalebone is where you start to see the huge costs coming in as > it is amazingly expensive stuff. You have a ruff for the neck, which can be an awful lot of > fabric if you are going for the ridiculous court ruffs. Partlet, probably embroidered. Then you > have a farthingale which is linen and willow (fairly cheap), bum roll (linen and wool). > Petticoats which will be silk. Then you can either have a kirtle or a forepart depending on the > king of gown you are going to wear over the top, this is of course silk. Then comes the gown over > the top. Bearing in mind that silk woven to a C16 pattern has been sourced but it costs £120-£240 > a metre you can start to see why the cost adds up. This is all without the accessories, > embroidered gloves, stomacher, shoes etc that you would need to finish it off. It isn't hard to > see the cost swiftly mounting, apart from the fact that to get the whole thing ready for next > season would require alot of people doing an awful lot of sewing! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 09:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32300 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77DmnL20072; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Dmnh17411; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DXMh12242 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:33:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0PXEQ2OG00462I@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0PX5Y0ZG003OQ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:10 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:09 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) In-reply-to: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:28:09 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little > (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the > UK) Kayta, what do you mean by that - what I've always known, here in Southern England, as "dressing-up" seems to be the same as what you mean by it. Friends of mine, when I was a kid, had a large box of dressing-up clothes and we would play dress-up and pretend to be all sorts of characters (hmmmm.... that's an old memory. My favourite outfit was this voluminous white muslyin-like dress - probably an early 1970's knee or calf-length maternity dress on an adult) that seemed to go on forever and I would always find a reason to play a character that wore that one..... How's that for a telling Early sign.... Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32356 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77E16L20829; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E15h21556; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77Dish16115 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807134453.77814.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:44:53 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5FB7A450A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:44:53 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > and the New Zealand men! WHOOHOO! *thinks she has to > > move to Kiwi land* > > Nicole! Your liking for men in skirts is showing again! Uhm... yes I guess it does *G* Thank goodness, teddy, we have established different tastes in skirts on men. *L* > Besides, most of the Kiwi's are in England or travelling the world > anyway. I swear that I meet more new-zealanders who are > "travelling" to see the world or who have relocated to England than > any other nationality! I don't know, I tend to hit the South Africans, and that is NOT a bad thing! *swoons* How come they look so good, or are only their export articles such good-lookers? They are missing skirts though. ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:11:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32361 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77E1HL20850; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E1Hh21652; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Dlbh17020 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from csv6.derby.ac.uk (csv6.derby.ac.uk [193.60.145.14]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22444.; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:47:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from staff-MTA by csv6.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:46:25 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g77Dlbh17020 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:45:59 +0100 Status: RO According to the SK website, the new venue for the Reenactors' Market will be the Warwickshire Exhibition Centre at Radford Semele near Leamington. >> Every so often there are mumerings of doing a posh event by some of >>the sponsers until we give them a quote for the cost of the costumes. >Quote for costumes? Now that's a new one, so you vary the fee according >to whatyou wear? Interesting concept It's a new one on me too! I don't have anything to do with negotiating fees for our group, but as far as I know we take what we can get regardless of what we intend to wear. Our chief expense is instruments, not costumes. Kate Bunting Library, University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:15:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32407 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77E5PL21178; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E5Oh23184; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DcYh13949 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0Q4NKSGW003Z3R@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:38:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0Q4KXBPC003OQ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:38:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:41 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-reply-to: <200208042123.g74LN1F28191@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:33:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest > thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) Which aslo leads me to ask.... How many filkers on h-costume? Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. I'll get hte ball rolling. Hello, I'm Teddy and I've been attending FilkCons in England for the last nine years or so. I even went as far as travelling to Caneda last year to attend a filkcon in Toronato (and go trim shopping with Danielle...). No yet been across to Germany for FilkContinental, but have several friends among the German filkers and have performed on a couple of filk albums. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32582 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EE8L21692; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EE6h26642; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:14:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E0Ch21266 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77Dk4929244 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D51294C.2E3D270C@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:06:04 -0600 Status: RO *Laughing myself* At the moment, all my extra fundage (and my own credit cards!) is going towards the trip I'm making to your part of the world at the end of the month.....I'm taking one completely empty suitcase, and very much expect to come back with it full! Probably mostly with books for myself (my major habit besides fabric and embroidery flosses). If I spend money on anything costume-related in the relative future (other than the above), it'd be on some nice wools. If I could ever find any. Oh, well, time to get ready and go to work....Have a nice day, everybody! --Sue, part-time computer geek, full-time blackworker, and wannabe world traveler ;-) N Kipar wrote: > > --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I > pretty-please have your clothing budget? > > --Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( > > *LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? > > Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA32663 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EIQL21937; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:18:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EIOh28442; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:18:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77E1ph21896 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a210.in-tch.com [66.62.107.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g77Dli929842 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D5129B0.F060A015@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:07:44 -0600 Status: RO ROTFLMAO! Yeah, there is that...how could I have forgotten? *sigh*..... --sue Drea Leed wrote: > > Hm...I have to say that what I really love is the preliminary research, > the designing of the pattern and fitting of the sloper. My other favorite > part of the process is putting the finished garment on and saying "wow! It > worked perfectly!" (which doesn't happen as often as I like, but is really > cool when it does.) > > > After that, the thing I like best is having an excuse to hold several > yards of luxurious fabric between my hands for hours on end. ;> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 10:58:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00842 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:58:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EmSL24481; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:48:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EmOh11925; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77ETJh03306 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0RVVL60G003NWF@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:29:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0RVS6IOC003OQ5@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:29:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:24:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:23:51 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:23:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action In-reply-to: <200208061314.g76DEUT20694@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D7131A5D18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Anybody fancy a tea-party? Maybe about half to an hour after closing > - time enough to close up, but not so late as to interfere with your > beer-tent enjoyment? Yes please Jean. Teddy (still trying to finish new yellow and green parti-coloured hose and a red houpellande for Kirby - and to find time to make something with a red "H" on it so other h-costumers will be able to spot it!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 11:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00964 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77EreL24879; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Erdh14447; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:53:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EhRh09717 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:43:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0SE8ODGW004A7L@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0SE5ZXUQ003F55@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:38:40 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:40 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action In-reply-to: <200208070222.g772MDh25254@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D74E213E84@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:37:40 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Nicole, > > At the risk of "inviting myself" (something my mother always said I > shouldn't do), your camp might be most practical, just because you > are, I think, the smallest group. Conquest has a big shelter, but it > also has 20-30 people milling about and wanting to use it. > > I can bring our little gas stove - and cake? Tom and I have a *huge* tent (12 ft by 22ft) and haven't begun to furnish it properly yet - so there' lotsd of space and just the two of us. We'll have our little stove too and tea and cofffee (instant) supplies (though not enough suitable cups, so bring your own) so we could host it if you like. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 11:27:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01458 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:27:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77FHxL27030; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77FHwh27079; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77EmBh11811 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0SKC3N9S003F3E@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0SKBRUIM003W17@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:35 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-reply-to: <200208070222.g772MDh25254@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D7673C022F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to > >have the most fun with their clothes. > > It's not prejudice - they really do. And the most fun with hair and > hats. > White people have boring hair and hats. Same here in England... I used to live near this wonderful little "african" clothes shop run by the most wonderful woman who did made to measure clothing for really reasonable prices. Those wonderful africal prints and bright colours were her stock in trade but she'd make up stuff in your own fabric and she'd copy garments you took in or work out patterns for you. I had her make my "Corporate Elf" suit for my Shadow-run (roleplay) character from almost fluorescent yellow cotton with dark green satin trim (a style remeniscent of something Joan Collins wore in Dynasty, but more OTT) and she was delighted to make the tight-fitting skirt four inches shorter for me at no extra charge (she's been trying to get my cousin to have her skirts shorter too).... I loved that costume. I managed to get dark green satin-tights and some high-heeled court shoes which I dyed yellow to match the suit. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 11:36:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01632 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:36:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77FQBL27894; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77FQAh01986; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from moutvdomng2.kundenserver.de (moutvdom.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77F9rh22537 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdomng3.kundenserver.de) by moutvdomng2.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17cSRX-0005Yl-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:09:47 +0200 Received: from [208.252.48.163] (helo=lhiggins.bustles-and-bows.co.uk) by mrvdomng3.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17cSRX-0008NH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:09:47 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020807160814.02ab5d80@pop.oneandone.co.uk> X-Sender: pt7788416-2801@pop.oneandone.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: The Duchess Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:09:23 +0100 Status: RO At 02:28 PM 8/7/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little > > (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the > > UK) > >Kayta, what do you mean by that - what I've always known, here in >Southern England, as "dressing-up" seems to be the same as >what you mean by it. I always took it as meaning putting on my best posh frock for some important event. Lissa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 12:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03075 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77GYiL05159; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GYfh11041; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:34:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GKKh02688 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r8p119.directcon.net [209.79.209.168]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g77GJvfM032501; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:19:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020807092518.010a9b90@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <200208042123.g74LN1F28191@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:25:18 -0700 Status: RO At 02:33 PM 08/07/2002 +0000, Teddy wrote: > >How many filkers on h-costume? > Hi, I'm Margo. As a former Bard of the Mists in the SCA, I found myself obliged to filk on occasion. For some peculiar reason I cannot understand, my two best recieved filks were both about vegetables; "The Knight Who Would Not Eat His Vegetables" and "The Zucchini Song", filked to the tune of "The Wild Rover" and based on the results of the time my mother planted TWELVE zucchini plants for a family of five. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 13:56:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04728 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77HkiL12634; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HkiS22780; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77H7QS00460 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip252.164-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.164.252]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g77H7Mo25556 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <3D50F3BE.4173.31866FD@localhost> Priority: normal References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:17:34 -0700 Status: RO > Hm...I have to say that what I really love is the preliminary > research, the designing of the pattern and fitting of the sloper. My > other favorite part of the process is putting the finished garment on > and saying "wow! It worked perfectly!" (which doesn't happen as often > as I like, but is really cool when it does.) > > Everything in between--hand finishing, buttonholes & lacing holes (oh, > the humanity!), hem-stitching, fiddling with pleats, basting, > re-fitting and adjusting, etc. is so-so. But that first fitted sloper > inspires me, and looking forward to the finished garment is what keeps > me going. While I like the research and designing part, the planning for the fabrics, trim etc. and the planning of how I'm going to draft it out, I merely tolerate all that goes on until I get to the final hand finishing part (which I enjoy doing. Good thing since I had over 200" to hand narrow rolled hem last weekend) and then get to see the finished product. > After that, the thing I like best is having an excuse to hold several > yards of luxurious fabric between my hands for hours on end. ;> > > Drea Now *this* I can really relate to. It explains why I have so many boxes and rolls of fabrics that I have to have 2 rooms to put it all in. (However, it does come in handy, like for the dress I finished and wore last Saturday: I had over 20 yards of black silk taffeta, all the linen I needed for the linings and underpinings as well as 2 yards of black silk organza for making the shrug to go over it. As Teddy calls it "a posh frock." I just wish I had a website so that when I get the pictures back I could show them to you. Teddy, since you are on Pegasus, I'll be able to mail you one!) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 13:56:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04727 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77HkFL12499; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Hk6S22256; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HIsS07114 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.108]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g77HIrv356260 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:18:53 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201c23e36$86aa9ec0$6c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:19:02 -0700 Status: RO I think I like the designing best, and then the putting it together to see if it comes out like it was in my head best. Having it work on stage exactly as I had planned Yay! Making things fit fussy whiney actors... booh. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Nay then, let the devil wear black, for I'll have a suit of sables..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* > Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, > or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood > and tears, that is no fun. > I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and > even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled > seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and > peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. > What I like best is making accessories. > What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 14:40:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05770 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77IU5L17014; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77IU3S16338; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.eskimo.com (root@mail.eskimo.com [204.122.16.4]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77IMJS12250 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bently (12-201.075.popsite.net [64.24.186.201]) by mail.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11190 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004401c23e40$399cc680$c9ba1840@bently> From: "David" To: References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:28:23 -0700 Status: RO > Then there is the stays, made of silk and boned with either > > real whalebone or > > reeds. > > Real whalebone??? I don't think so dear, and I must admit I would go bonkers if > you did and I woud indeed notify the RSPCA. Whalebone (whales) is strictly > under protection!!! Where the hell would you get it from? I am most intrigued, > and no, am sorry, not in a good way. How could anyone want to use anything > from a whale still nowadays? Sorry.... but our whale population is dwindling > fast and the thought of using something from a whale and thus probably just > indirectly, but nevertheless, encourage their demise makes my blood boil. > Sorry. *S* > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be needing it anymore.... Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 15:18:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06677 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:18:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77J85L20242; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77J84S07203; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77IvrS01619 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cW0E-000FHs-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 19:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea References: <20020807095455.74345.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> <20020807095930.64937.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020807095930.64937.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:56:17 +0100 Status: RO OK folks, I think we're settled: Saturday, 6.30pm, Nicole's camp (we'll find you somehow!), bring cake, bring coke, bring children as applicable. Happy camping 'till then, Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 15:48:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07273 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77JcQL23024; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JcOS23840; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77JUlS19639 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:30:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807193046.5478.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:30:46 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:30:46 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > OK folks, I think we're settled: > > Saturday, 6.30pm, Nicole's camp (we'll find you somehow!), bring cake, > bring coke, bring children as applicable. > > Happy camping 'till then, > > Jean > -- Does anybody have a mobile with them? I could give a ring on the Friday evening IF we don't meet up in the beertent on the Friday. Don't forget I'll have a great big red cross on the white bib across my boobs. (ouch, sorry, that lame and sad joke had to be done) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07585 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:17:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77K74L25663; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77K74S26743; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JqUS09997 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cWr7-0004To-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:52:29 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:25:38 +0100 Status: RO Katie Lewis wrote >--- Jean Waddie wrote: > >> I've just recently been investigating religious headcovering, >>> and having had it pointed out to me, noticing that many women wearing >>> hijab wear a small cap or tied headscarf underneath, which comes down to >>> the forehead, and the large headscarf sits further back on the head. >> > >I'm not sure if you are talking about the same styles of hijab that I'm >familliar with from what I saw Muslim women wearing in India or not, >but afaik it isn't a seperate cap. Rather the headscarf is draped in >such a way as to give the appearance of a seperate cap. > >I stink at describing things like this, but basically the scarf is >first draped over the head coming down onto the forehead, with the >scarf shorter on one side of the head. Then the longer side is pulled >across the chest and over the head (on about the middle of the head) >and then tucked in on the side that was initally left longer. >When a triangular scarf is worn it is often folded on either side of >the forehead, which can also give the appearance of a seperate cap. > > >Hope this helps, > >Katie I have seen both these styles, but I read some websites which said women do often wear a separate cap, partly to keep the hair in order, underneath. The ones I have identified as being this often have a little decorative edging on the part tight on the forehead, which doesn't appear on the layer further back. I was impressed today at some women wearing the triangular scarf twice round the head, as your first description, and with the free end just flipped over the top, hanging down maybe as far as the top of the ear. They must have been tourists - the usual Edinburgh wind wouldn't let anything stay like that for long! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:17:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07596 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77K7FL25687; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77K7FS26833; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JqVS10003 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cWr7-0004Tq-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:52:30 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:51:11 +0100 Status: RO N Kipar wrote >I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) >what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the >costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. >I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* >Don't get me wrong, I am not forced or anything, but making things like a coat, >or breeches or something, properly fitted outer garments akes me sweat blood >and tears, that is no fun. >I DO like making accessoris very much though. Coifs, hoods, caps, aprons, and >even underwear like shirts and shifts, I find the stitching of long flat-felled >seams very therapeutic. Small things I like, lovely to carry around and >peaceful to stitch, big things I don't like. >What I like best is making accessories. >What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > >What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > >Nicole > I HATE cutting out. It takes me so long to get a costume started, because it takes so long to get through that first stage. Doesn't help that I do it on the floor and it makes my knees sore. And that's why I prefer doing early period stuff to modern, because even worse than cutting out is marking up patterns for darts and dots and all that. Grrrrr. I like getting all the long seams done, when suddenly it looks like a garment and you can pick it all up at once and see what it's going to be. And then I like the hemming. I don't enjoy handstitching seams, except on little things like hats - I could do it so much quicker on the machine. But I can sit for hours quietly hemming. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07614 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77KC2L26226; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77KC1S29583; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77JvFS21520 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:57:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cWvh-0006RH-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:57:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century References: <20020805194555.25256.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> <000f01c23d82$f0f18c80$5b1786d9@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000f01c23d82$f0f18c80$5b1786d9@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:55:56 +0100 Status: RO Now this is the second we've seen of this gauzy type, but it doesn't seem to match with the embroidered linen examples seen laid out in museums. Can we find any linen forehead cloths, worn with the linen coif? Jean Helen Partner wrote > > >Hello All > > >Just a quick link b4 I get over excited >http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/Exhibitions/Cromwell/where.htm > >Have a look At Oliver Cromwell's mother's portrait. I've just been watching >Channel 5's prog on the ECW (seen it b4 on The History Channel) But, low >and behold, comes a portrait of Cromwell's mother. On our tv, it looked >suspiciously like she was wearing a fc *over* the coif and with the pointy >end showing! I could be wrong. Anyway, if anyone wants to have a look at >it, a small version is shown at the above link. > >Comments, puleeeaaase. > >Regards > >Helen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "N Kipar" >To: >Sent: 05 August 2002 20:45 >Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead >Clothes in the Seventeenth Century > > >> --- Jean Waddie wrote: > >> > These are all coming up really small on my browser, but I'm not sure I >> > can see any of these as separate triangular pieces twinned with coifs - >> > they just look like headscarves or similar tied very low. Am I missing >> > something vital? >> >> No you are not missing anything vital, this was exactly the point and >question, >> are these even forehead cloths? Also, the triangular piece wouldn't hang >into >> the forehead, but the other edge. >> Oh, and yes, the pix were small, they are details from paintings. :-) >> >> Nicole >> >> ===== >> Nicole Kipar M.A. >> Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs >> Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 >> URL: http://www.kipar.org/ >> Email: marquis@kipar.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Everything you'll ever need on one web page >> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >> http://uk.my.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 16:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07799 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:56:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Kk6L29630; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Kk1S19438; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77KWZS11705 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807203206.42152.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 21:32:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: Dumb question about forehead cloths was:RE: [h-cost] Forehead Clothes in the Seventeenth Century To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:32:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Jean Waddie wrote: > Now this is the second we've seen of this gauzy type, but it doesn't > seem to match with the embroidered linen examples seen laid out in > museums. Can we find any linen forehead cloths, worn with the linen > coif? > > Jean I haven't found a single one, Jean, not a single one, in 1GB of scanned images. Nicole - really fascinated by these things by now ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:27:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08615 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77NHFL14276; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:17:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NH3D00876; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77MkUS25422 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.169] (as3-4-183.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.169]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g77MkTb12971 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> References: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:38:06 -0700 Status: RO At 2:33 PM +0000 8/7/02, Teddy wrote: > > I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest >> thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) > >Which aslo leads me to ask.... > >How many filkers on h-costume? > >Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. I suppose I might marginally count in that category .... (Oh, ok, been filking for a couple decades, past multiple filk con-com member, past filk con-chair, couple albums and a songbook, occasional guest/toastmistress at filk-cons.) I tend to do original music, though, rather than the parody material that many people understand by the term "filk". Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08720 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:40:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77NUGL15889; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:30:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NU8K00516; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz (grunt5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.45]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NJLD02781 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p116-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.116] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ca5F-0007P1-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:19:17 +1200 Message-ID: <004301c23e68$dcc787a0$74d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020807134453.77814.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:19:20 +1200 Status: RO Oi! Most of the real Kiwi men are down on the farm. There is such a sortage of women in the rural areas that there was even a documentary about it! And a competition type thing for women from the cities to go meet them. Seriously tempted as all I meet are gay men, serial polygamists and certified stalkers! Not surprising really seeing as I do perform on stage a lot;)- erm as in we are talking about actors here which are a different breed altogether... Men in skirts here??? He'd be a raving "poofter" mate;). Unless of course he's in the artsy crowd which is very much an underground culture here;) And Maori, Polynesian and Scottish 'skirts' are mostly worn for cultural events:) I doubt there are 4million kiwis out in the world;) Yes, there are more than a handful of people in a land of sheep and grass;) We are even getting infill housing, rows and rows of apartments plunked down in the middle of nowhere.. in a country where the 1/4 acre section was the Kiwi Dream.. it's a little disturbing. michaela living in "the big smoke" which is not quite as apt as it might be. Christchrch has a terrible smog problem in winter with all the fires- in't on the plains and all the smoke stays over the city. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08822 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77NhXL17008; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NhYK06568; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:43:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NJuD03113 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:19:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g77NJrNw015232 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208072319.g77NJrNw015232@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO so,um, what is filking? > > At 2:33 PM +0000 8/7/02, Teddy wrote: > > > I've done a cotehardie (and found it comfy, if not the easiest > >> thing to sew... I even filked the experience...) > > > >Which aslo leads me to ask.... > > > >How many filkers on h-costume? > > > >Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. > > I suppose I might marginally count in that category .... > > (Oh, ok, been filking for a couple decades, past multiple filk > con-com member, past filk con-chair, couple albums and a songbook, > occasional guest/toastmistress at filk-cons.) > > I tend to do original music, though, rather than the parody material > that many people understand by the term "filk". > > Heather > -- > ***** > Heather Rose Jones > hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu > ***** > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 19:57:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08888 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Nm0L17404; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Nm1K08446; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (unix4.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77NXNK02110 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:33:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 25056 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 23:33:20 -0000 Received: from s37.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.87) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 23:33:20 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020807192852.00ac4430@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208071817.g77IH6S09428@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_160872657==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Filkers on h-costume Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 19:36:01 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_160872657==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:17 PM 8/7/02 -0600, you wrote: >Which aslo leads me to ask.... > >How many filkers on h-costume? > >Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. *shyly raising hand* Hi, I'm Vik, and I've been filking for years. You=20 can't pay enough to sing what I write (Cuz my voice could turn you off=20 music forever... yep *sigh* that bad). I've never done it with any sort of= =20 group (ok, friends of mine and I got really happy on mead one night and=20 wrote some stuff) just on my own, and never with any intentions of letting= =20 anyone read it. However, the best laid plans, don't you know.... long=20 story short, none of mine's ever been recorded, though those rascally=20 sisters of mine keep poking me to write it, so who knows.. *shrug* Vik, Authoress of "Green Sleeve" and "One Of Those Knights" =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4= =F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4 Lady Victoria's Castle Closet: Custom Clothing and Fine Renaissance Designs http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations 15% discount to List Members, --=====================_160872657==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 12:17 PM 8/7/02 -0600, you wrote:
Which aslo leads me to=20 ask....

How many filkers on h-costume?

Don't be shy now.  Raise your hand and admit it.

*shyly raising hand*  Hi, I'm Vik, and I've been filking for years.  You can't pay enough to sing what I write (Cuz my voice could turn you off music forever... yep *sigh* that bad).  I've never done it with any sort of group (ok, friends of mine and I got really happy on mead one night and wrote some stuff) just on my own, and never with any intentions of letting anyone read it.  However, the best laid plans, don't you know....  long story short, none of mine's ever been recorded, though those rascally sisters of mine keep poking me to write it, so who knows.. *shrug*

Vik, Authoress of "Green Sleeve" and "One Of Those Knights"

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--=====================_160872657==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08963 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:02:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g77Nq4L17715; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77Nq5K09887; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:52:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NaLK03252 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020807233614.RSUZ19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:36:14 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c23e6b$3223b960$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Cunnington books Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:36:04 -0700 Status: RO Hi all, I've been perusing used books online lately, and wondering about all of the various Cunnington books. I've got _English Women's Clothing in the 19th Century_ and _History of Underclothes_. I'm wondering what you all think of the various other books out by the Cunningtons -- eg _Handbook of Costume in the [insert century_, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for which of these books are useful and which aren't? Are there any that I just HAVE to have but don't know about it? :) I'm primarily interested in the 19th c. (US & Western Europe), but also in 18th c. Thanks! - Kendra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:10:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09014 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7800BL18369; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7800BK13011; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NalK03499 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00E85YX7L8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807161917.00cada30@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:21:02 -0700 Status: RO > >>I think we often overestimate how westernised other cultures are, and fail > >>to realise they are taking bits from the west and assimilating them into > >>their own tradition, not the other way round. > > >Their own cultural dress is evolving in spite of any Westernization. They > >can tell me what year, or what decade, one of their garments is, or at > >least what generation still wears them. > >A Sikh colleague of mine and her husband ran a business some years ago >importing modern fashions of Punjabi costume, which you could not then buy >here in Derby, UK - i.e. the traditional tunic and trousers, but in >unusual fabrics and cuts. She wears Western dress at work, but I saw her >in some of their stock at social events. The Silicon Valley is good for modern Punjabi two-piece suits, as there's a market for them, both from blue-eyed folks like us and from temporary workers from India. Aparently Vancouver, BC, is also good. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09018 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7800HL18384; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7800HK13077; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NamK03505 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00E85YX7L8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807162142.00e11820@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:25:02 -0700 Status: RO >I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) >what people like best in making costumes. >What I like best is making accessories. >What I dislike the most is having to mend/alter/fix big things. > >What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? I like the research/design stage beforehand, and the handwork/finishing/decorating stage afterwards, but the worst part is the pattern-making stage in between. Actually cutting and sewing aren't so bad. Making accessories is what I do to procrastinate. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:10:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09022 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7800JL18406; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7800KK13104; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77NamK03514 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00E85YX7L8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) In-reply-to: <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807162700.00cade90@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:36:41 -0700 Status: RO > > My mother knew I liked dressing up in costumes when I was little > > (what Americans call dressing up, not what dressing up means in the > > UK) > >Kayta, what do you mean by that - what I've always known, here in >Southern England, as "dressing-up" seems to be the same as >what you mean by it. I have a book called 'Dressing Up' (ISBN 0-671-25091-4) which is all about the history of transvestitism and drag. When I was little I too had a dress-up box, full of stuff to wear, and that, of course, is what I meant. I use the phrase 'getting dressed up' to mean putting on the best dress, etc. >My favourite outfit >was this voluminous white muslyin-like dress - probably an early >1970's knee or calf-length maternity dress on an adult) that >seemed to go on forever and I would always find a reason to play a >character that wore that one..... How's that for a telling Early >sign.... )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 20:53:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09149 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:53:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g780h4L20538; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:43:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780h2K26758; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780RrK22257 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA29518 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208080048.RAA29518@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > Katie Lewis wrote > > >I stink at describing things like this, but basically the scarf is > >first draped over the head coming down onto the forehead, with the > >scarf shorter on one side of the head. Then the longer side is pulled > >across the chest and over the head (on about the middle of the head) > >and then tucked in on the side that was initally left longer. > >When a triangular scarf is worn it is often folded on either side of > >the forehead, which can also give the appearance of a seperate cap. > > I have seen both these styles, but I read some websites which said women > do often wear a separate cap, partly to keep the hair in order, > underneath. The ones I have identified as being this often have a little > decorative edging on the part tight on the forehead, which doesn't > appear on the layer further back. In fact, I own a couple of those types of head coverings. The name I've been told is an "al-amira" hijab. Often the overscarf is _also_ made of stretchy fabric and is shaped sort of like a hood. I've got a couple with fancy lace around the edges to match the skullcaps. They're related to the much longer prayer outfit coverings called khirmar. The first few hijab on this page are amira-type headcoverings: http://www.almuhajabat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Almuhajabat&Category_Code=h Similarly, the big shapeless (usually black) robes are chaador, but most women in Saudi Arabia and Turkey wear jilbab (a loose overjacket) instead. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 21:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09212 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:01:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g780pPL20973; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780pOK29416; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:51:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g780aJK24851 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id RAA00325 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208080056.RAA00325@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'm a musician, not a filker. Though I've written some parodies, that's _also_ a firm part of irish and english musical traditions. One of the other musicians I know who occasionally works fan conventions pointed out that parody can stand on its own, but filk (as it's done here) is often an inside joke. I find myself standing in the same tradition with Mark Graham from Seattle, who's written such gems as "Their Brains Were Small and They Died," "Last Words (Can I Have All Your Stuff When You Die)," and "Life is Hard, But Life is Hardest When You're Dumb." He takes from particular musical genres, but you don't have to know anything about fan politics, convention histories, computer geek jokes, or any particular songs to get his (really funny) stuff. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 21:40:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09373 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g781U3L22893; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781U1K11040; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781KwK08222 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0I00F583QX1K@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cunnington books In-reply-to: <002f01c23e6b$3223b960$befc8218@hopperflop2> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020807180824.00ca9b20@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 18:14:29 -0700 Status: RO >I've been perusing used books online lately, and wondering about all of the >various Cunnington books. I've got _English Women's Clothing in the 19th >Century_ and _History of Underclothes_. I'm wondering what you all think of >the various other books out by the Cunningtons -- eg _Handbook of Costume in >the [insert century_, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations for which >of these books are useful and which aren't? Are there any that I just HAVE >to have but don't know about it? :) I have the Dover reprint of the 19th century one, and it's pretty good. I got it for the contemporary examples, of which there are many, both of garments and of fashion plates. There seems to be a Cunnington style to the re-drawings. There's one garment in it that I have seen elsewhere, in a Janet Arnold book, and by this I judge that the re-drawings are probably OK, tho I wouldn't trust their proportions to be exact. They seem to be better than Ruth Turner Wilcox re-drawings. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 22:09:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09485 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:09:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g781x5L24427; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781x3K19517; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g781dwK14280 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:39:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip142.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.142]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g781dtq12982 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:39:56 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200208072319.g77NJrNw015232@jabberwock.wonderland.com> References: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 18:50:20 -0700 Status: RO From: Heather Meadows > so,um, what is filking? It is taking a song (usually a well known tune) and putting other words to it, usually in a fannish sense. However, it is an old tradition. For example, the Christmas Carol "What Child is This" is a "filk" on "Greensleeves." They were also called "contrafract." Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 22:30:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09633 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:30:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g782L2L25560; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782L1K26009; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:21:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782D2K23612 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.184]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g782Bt006664 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:56 +1000 Message-ID: <04d601c23e80$d66870a0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:10:55 +1000 Status: RO Kat, Do you know the history behind the word "contafract"? It would lend more historicity to the silly songs we sing as Routiers (following the popular 17th century traditions, but not exclusively to 17th century tunes) Glenda. No - I've never made up silly songs about anything... and I've never taught my children to either ;-) ----- Original Message ----- > However, it is an old tradition. For example, the Christmas Carol > "What Child is This" is a "filk" on "Greensleeves." They were also > called "contrafract." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 22:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09790 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:59:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g782o5L27476; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782o3K05135; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782PvK27413 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.44] (as3-4-58.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.44]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g782PtK08743 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> References: from "Heather Rose Jones" at Aug 07, 2002 10:38:06 AM <3D516BEC.28197.5FAC15@localhost> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:26:07 -0700 Status: RO At 6:50 PM -0700 8/7/02, kat@grendal.rain.com wrote: >From: Heather Meadows >> so,um, what is filking? > >It is taking a song (usually a well known tune) and putting other >words to it, usually in a fannish sense. > >However, it is an old tradition. For example, the Christmas Carol >"What Child is This" is a "filk" on "Greensleeves." They were also >called "contrafract." It's a bit more complicated than that -- _one_ meaning of "filk" is " a song parody", another is "songs created and/or performed in the context of science-fiction fandom". As I noted before, while most people (especially those not directly involved in filk music) tend to think only in terms of song parodies, there is a _lot_ of original music being produced by the same community under the same name. The stuff I perform at sf conventions is, for the most part, the same as what I'd perform at folk clubs (if I did that more often than once a decade or so) without any need for special explanations. In contrast, a certain amount of filk music _is_ extremely self-referential -- not only in being parodies, but in focusing on decades-old running gags and on in-jokes that form a sort of informal community initiation. (When you get all the jokes, you know you're a part of the community.) But the overlap between sf fandom and many historical hobbyist communities means that the term as used for a in-joke parody has spread quite a bit. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Wed Aug 7 23:16:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09883 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78376L28225; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78375K09939; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz (grunt2.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g782rMK06063 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:53:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p623-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.194.115] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17cdQM-00049P-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:53:18 +1200 Message-ID: <001101c23e86$c3944890$73c2adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <00c701c22e24$d53de960$b66d4ed5@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT Moulin Rouge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:53:22 +1200 Status: RO I mentioned some time ago a facinating book about consumption/TB I finally found it: Fevered Lives: Tuberculosis in American Culture Since 1870 http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/OTTFEV.html http://www.hup.harvard.edu/reviews/OTTFEV_R.html And I'll paste a little as I mentioned that consumption was seen as a bit of a romantic disease: "Ott traces the shift from the pre-industrial world of 1870, in which consumption was conceived of primarily as a middle-class malaise that conferred virtue, heightened spirituality, and gentility on the sufferer, to the post-industrial world of today,..." While pre industrial may be a bit of a misnomer.. anyway, thought it might be of interest especially to those groups that reenact the 19thC:) michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:08:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10295 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:08:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g784w4L03731; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:58:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g784w3K13035; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:58:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g784nWK10995 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g784ZN902010 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D51F9BC.FBF2CD3F@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) References: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 22:55:24 -0600 Status: RO Hi. I'm Sue, known as Maire in the SCA, and I'm a filker, too.... My favorite songs are "Welsh History 101 (101B?)," "Sweet Home Artemisia" (a great SCA-regional filk on "Sweet Home Alabama"), "Overflowing Catbox Blues," and any song by Tom Lehrer (I think that's the name....wrote the song about Poisoning Pigeons in the Park?) I'm starting to forget most of these, because it's been years since I've actually filked (the folks responsible for keeping it going have moved out of the area), but I enjoy the original music and the parodies, both.... --Sue, who's really, really going to have to haul out the Norse version of "Green Eggs and Ham" for a bardic circle one of these nights, or maybe the SCA-Laurels version of "Alice's Restaurant." Teddy wrote: > > How many filkers on h-costume? > > Don't be shy now. Raise your hand and admit it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:16:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10314 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:16:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7856RL04111; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:06:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7856QK15010; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g784qvK11765 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip113.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.113]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g784qrq04956 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <3D519927.28591.1105ED3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <04d601c23e80$d66870a0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:03:19 -0700 Status: RO > Do you know the history behind the word "contafract"? It would lend > more historicity to the silly songs we sing as Routiers (following the > popular 17th century traditions, but not exclusively to 17th century > tunes) > > Glenda. > No - I've never made up silly songs about anything... and I've never > taught my children to either ;-) Contrafract/contrafractum/contrafacta is a term from medieval times. _Companion to Medieval & Renaissance Music" edited by Tess Knighton and David Fallows (ISBN0-520-21081-6) mentions it in conjunction with monophonic music of the Troubadour period. (Page 104) The definition they give in the glossary (page 385) is: term used to describe the substitution of one test for another in a piece of music that otheriwise remains essentially the same. In medieval song it usually refers to the addition of new words to an existing melody, while in the sixteenth century it is used mainly to indicate the substitution of a sacred for a secular text. In _A History of Western Music_ by Donald Jay Grout, ISBN 0-393- 09416-2, he discusses it in relationship to parody (page 196.) I hope this is helpful. (There are other books, but it's bedtime and I really don't want to go through any more of them.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:20:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10331 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:20:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g785B1L04273; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785B1K16144; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78503K13509 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:00:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dialup-64.152.166.88.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([64.152.166.88] helo=earthlink.net) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17cfP0-0003iu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 22:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3D51FAE4.7070103@earthlink.net> From: A F Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <3D51294C.2E3D270C@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 01:00:20 -0400 Status: RO Um, Sue? Wool? In England? I don't think that should be a problem... Except, of course, to limit it to one suitcase full! Anne Sue Clemenger wrote: >*Laughing myself* At the moment, all my extra fundage (and my own credit >cards!) is going towards the trip I'm making to your part of the world >at the end of the month.....I'm taking one completely empty suitcase, >and very much expect to come back with it full! Probably mostly with >books for myself (my major habit besides fabric and embroidery flosses). >If I spend money on anything costume-related in the relative future >(other than the above), it'd be on some nice wools. If I could ever >find any. >Oh, well, time to get ready and go to work....Have a nice day, >everybody! >--Sue, part-time computer geek, full-time blackworker, and wannabe world >traveler ;-) > >N Kipar wrote: > >> --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I >>pretty-please have your clothing budget? >> >>>--Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( >>> >>*LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? >> >>Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:41:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10378 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g785W3L05012; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785W2K21420; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785HxK17935 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:17:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7853o909306 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:03:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D520067.CE3D76E5@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807132602.32713.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <3D51294C.2E3D270C@in-tch.com> <3D51FAE4.7070103@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:23:51 -0600 Status: RO Seriously? Where? We'll be in (lemme think....) London, Ipswich, York, Shrewsbury, and Bath--mostly in London and Bath. Are there specific stores or something that one can get to? We'll have a "native guide" in Bath (staying with a friend of my travelling companion)..... --Sue, who quite believes in mailing things if she has to A F Murphy wrote: > > Um, Sue? Wool? In England? I don't think that should be a problem... > Except, of course, to limit it to one suitcase full! > > Anne > > Sue Clemenger wrote: > > >*Laughing myself* At the moment, all my extra fundage (and my own credit > >cards!) is going towards the trip I'm making to your part of the world > >at the end of the month.....I'm taking one completely empty suitcase, > >and very much expect to come back with it full! Probably mostly with > >books for myself (my major habit besides fabric and embroidery flosses). > >If I spend money on anything costume-related in the relative future > >(other than the above), it'd be on some nice wools. If I could ever > >find any. > >Oh, well, time to get ready and go to work....Have a nice day, > >everybody! > >--Sue, part-time computer geek, full-time blackworker, and wannabe world > >traveler ;-) > > > >N Kipar wrote: > > > >> --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Holy sh!t, Nicole! Can I > >>pretty-please have your clothing budget? > >> > >>>--Sue, making do with much cheaper stuff ;-( > >>> > >>*LOL* sure, if you pay off my credit card for me? > >> > >>Nicole - with ONE big and expensive passion: costumes > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >h-costume mailing list > >h-costume@mail.indra.com > >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 01:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10398 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:50:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g785eDL05384; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785eDK23655; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785DqK16882 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:13:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a229.in-tch.com [66.62.107.29]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g784xi908183 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 22:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D51FF71.4EB73036@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c23e40$399cc680$c9ba1840@bently> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 23:19:45 -0600 Status: RO Problem is, poachers would probably love to be able to use something like that as an excuse....and the potential buyers/importers wouldn't have any reasonable way of verifying that it was -uh- "gleaned." It may also be a product specific to certain types of whales, although I don't know that for sure, being a computer geek and liberal arts graduate, and not a marine biologist! --Sue Pam wrote: > > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't > harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be > needing it anymore.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 02:11:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16606 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78621L06217; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78620K28812; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 00:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g785siK26978 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 23:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p885-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.195.123] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17cgFr-0001kE-00; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:54:40 +1200 Message-ID: <001701c23ea0$1852e350$7bc3adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> <004401c23e40$399cc680$c9ba1840@bently> <3D51FF71.4EB73036@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:54:39 +1200 Status: RO > Problem is, poachers would probably love to be able to use something > like that as an excuse....and the potential buyers/importers wouldn't > have any reasonable way of verifying that it was -uh- "gleaned." It may > also be a product specific to certain types of whales, although I don't > know that for sure, being a computer geek and liberal arts graduate, and > not a marine biologist! You are right, and most whales that beach tend to be toothed. I've not seen any stranding that was of a baleen whale- though I don't doubt it happens.. it's just that population wise and their habitats don't bring many close to shore:). Not to mention their size. Grey whales possibly would... http://www.seaworld.org/AnimalBytes/whalesab.html http://nmml.afsc.noaa.gov/education/cetaceans/baleen1.htm Should mention here it's not actually bone but the baleen used in corsetry. michaela > > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't > > harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be > > needing it anymore.... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 03:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23271 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g787m2L09550; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:48:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g787m1K23139; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:48:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g787Y6K20127 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808073406.81852.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:34:06 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208080048.RAA29518@gw.retro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:34:06 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > http://www.almuhajabat.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/amirachild.jpg Oh my, that looks just like many of the headcoverings in the Dutcj paintings, at least those that show the bit across the forehead. (not the sewn toegther-under the chin thingy of course) Now they say it is 2 piece, an underscarf with matching lace border and lace bordered pullover hijab. I might have to buy one to figure outhow it's done *L* Nicole - certainly not going to wear it! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03494 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:23:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789D3L12587; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789D1K15541; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g788u4K08397 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 02:56:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808085604.67729.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:56:04 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020807162142.00e11820@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:56:04 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I like the research/design stage beforehand, and the > handwork/finishing/decorating stage afterwards, but the worst part is the > pattern-making stage in between. Pattern making? what's that, I am USELESS at it, and that's a real pain. I just can't think 3 dimensional and it is terrible, i don't get it right ever. I have to employ a pattern maker or ask ben to try and do it. *sigh* Actually cutting and sewing aren't so > bad. I don't mind the cutting too much though I have to do it at work, no space at home. I just don't like the sewing. I wish though I had space at home. Nicole, who finally kinda finished the red coat! now the next thing is to add even more silver lace, two rows round the armholesand to stitch down the lace bits round the buttonholes. and then... it shall be done... but not before Kirby! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03500 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:24:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789DOL12608; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789DNK18644; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:13:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78909K09290 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808090009.58053.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:00:09 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <004301c23e68$dcc787a0$74d4adcb@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:00:09 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- michaela wrote: > Oi! Most of the real Kiwi men are down on the farm. There is such a sortage > of women in the rural areas that there was even a documentary about it! > > And a competition type thing for women from the cities to go meet them. Uhm... nah.... they may be yummy, but on a farm???? don't think I would have use for costumes on a farm. Uhm, nah, thanks. *G* > And Maori, Polynesian and Scottish 'skirts' are mostly worn for cultural > events:) Oh I know, I like cultural events, how I like them. hehe. > Yes, there are more than a handful of people in a land of sheep and grass;) > We are even getting infill housing, rows and rows of apartments plunked down > in the middle of nowhere.. in a country where the 1/4 acre section was the > Kiwi Dream.. it's a little disturbing. shock horror, dear! *grins* My next door neighbour shares a wall with me and that's normal! I hear them coughing at night and it never ever gets dark here because of heavy light pollution. yikes! I hate the South East.... > michaela > living in "the big smoke" which is not quite as apt as it might be. > Christchrch has a terrible smog problem in winter with all the fires- in't > on the plains and all the smoke stays over the city. Oh hat sounds just like Galway in Ireland, it was so stinky in winter! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:28:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03518 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:28:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789HUL12764; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:17:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789HTK08415; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:17:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78979K11144 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1UXUBDXS0045BR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:07:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1UXT5RGY004NUZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:07:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:32 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:15 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:06 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Great Britian, In-reply-to: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9B7756ECA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > > Besides, most of the Kiwi's are in England or travelling the world > > anyway. I swear that I meet more new-zealanders who are > > "travelling" to see the world or who have relocated to England than > > any other nationality! > > I don't know, I tend to hit the South Africans, You're right - there are a lot of them. I still encounter more kiwi's though > and that is NOT a bad thing! *swoons* How come they look so good, > or are only their export articles such good-lookers? They are > missing skirts though. ;-) Perhaps they have export inspections and only the prime samples are let leave?... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03580 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789g4L13531; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789g4K17140; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789F6K27386 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1V7OS17K0045HL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:15:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1V7N9584004NUZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:14:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:10:28 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:42 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9D730344F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? NOT the hand sewing, that's for sure. Not cutting out the damned garments! I like; Long seams on the sewing machine with loud music playing, Planning and designing what I can do with 'new' lengths of fabric, Fondling the fabric; The look on someone's face when they put on a costume and see how good they look in it. Wearing the finished costume. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03585 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789gHL13572; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789gHK17239; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789QiK13515 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VJM63WG0043P8@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:26:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VGDZ6HC0043QI@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:22:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:17:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:57 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:48 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9F624405F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I HATE cutting out. It takes me so long to get a costume started, > because it takes so long to get through that first stage. Doesn't > help that I do it on the floor and it makes my knees sore. I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem with skateboard kneepads (alternatively, those strap on ones they sell for gardeners who kneel a lot to weed and plant beds) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03586 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789gEL13556; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789gEK17211; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789J2K11681 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VCLZ9680045BR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VCLFDDS004NUZ@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:14:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:13:29 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:13:26 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Saturday tea In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9E75C400B@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. 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Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:53:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03592 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:53:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789gBL13545; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789gBK17182; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789H5K05450 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:17:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1VA56XRK0045HL@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:17:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1VA4EAG2004AJ1@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:16:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:12:27 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:11:40 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:11:38 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3E9DFA0083A@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:11:38 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (However, it does come in handy, like for the dress I finished and > wore last Saturday: I had over 20 yards of black silk taffeta, all > the linen I needed for the linings and underpinings as well as 2 > yards of black silk organza for making the shrug to go over it. As > Teddy calls it "a posh frock." I just wish I had a website so that > when I get the pictures back I could show them to you. Teddy, since > you are on Pegasus, I'll be able to mail you one!) Yayyyy! How did the reunion go? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 05:58:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03609 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 05:58:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g789l1L13714; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g789l1K18281; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10305.mail.yahoo.com (web10305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.83]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g789W0K14597 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808093159.32001.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.6.126.97] by web10305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:31:59 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Debbie=20Lough?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200208071817.g77IHES09504@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-958294167-1028799119=:31766" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:31:59 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --0-958294167-1028799119=:31766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My fave is definitely (hand) embroidery. It's what I learned to do first, (my Nana started me off with cross stitch and a tapestry needle when I was about 3 or so). Costuming is work - embroidery is hobby! And having just got the beautiful book on silk shading, crewelwork, blackwork, and goldwork, from the Royal School of Needlework, I can see a very busy winter ahead! Debbie. --------------------------------- Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html --0-958294167-1028799119=:31766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

 My fave is definitely (hand) embroidery.  It's what I learned to do first, (my Nana started me off with cross stitch and a tapestry needle when I was about 3 or so).

Costuming is work - embroidery is hobby!  And having just got the beautiful book on silk shading, crewelwork, blackwork, and goldwork, from the Royal School of Needlework, I can see a very busy winter ahead!

Debbie.


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In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EA028643E0@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I tend to do original music, though, rather than the parody material > that many people understand by the term "filk". I think, Heather, that "filk" has just evolved into a wider (more original music) thing than when it started. The two albums I was involved with were both mostly original stuff. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 07:06:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03890 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78At9L15647; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:55:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78At1K03370; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:55:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ArAK02891 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb06la (unverified [10.1.200.110]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:48:45 -0700 thread-index: AcI+yStanhBH8YeESbGWIFI2YUDcgA== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <027301c23ec9$2b5ae140$14c8a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:48:45 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem=20 > with skateboard kneepads I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces out!! When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main stumbling block. I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in the specials section, at =A33.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. www.whaleys.co.uk Freyalyn=20 _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem
> with skateboard kneepads

I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces out!!

When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main stumbling block.

I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in the specials section, at £3.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. www.whaleys.co.uk

Freyalyn
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------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C23E8E.7EFC0940-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 07:06:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03896 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:06:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78AuPL15679; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78AuOK03631; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:56:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ArsK03109 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 04:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb03la (unverified [10.1.200.104]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:49:29 -0700 thread-index: AcI+ySuWILuDlu9pSlGjdH0jCxA6Yg== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Message-ID: <009a01c23ec9$458de170$0ec8a8c0@mail2world.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 03:49:29 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem > with skateboard kneepads I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces out!! When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main stumbling block. I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all in the specials section, at =A33.50 per 60" wide metre!! = (+ VAT) of course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. www.whaleys.co.uk Freyalyn ------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A=
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------=_NextPart_000_027F_01C23E8E.7F378BA0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 08:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05213 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:32:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78CL2L18676; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78CL0K23424; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78C4TK19366 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1Y04LI2O0046H0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:52:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1WZWWZ1O004SXD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:06:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:31 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:23 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T - Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EAB44E2049@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:01:23 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > so,um, what is filking? It's the music side of science fiction fandom... but that doesn't really begin to cover it.... The word filk is in itself a "filk" of the word "folk" A lot filksongs are rewritings of well known (popular/ folk etc.) songs and tell the story of a character, book, SF film or show in song - and somewhere along the line "Scinece Fiction Folk session" got misspelled as "Filk session" and the name stuck. Since then Filk has evolved to include all sorts of other elements, like non-sF and fantasy subjects and lots of original songs and music as well as the parody and rewriting of already well known songs. And someone else will no-doubt explain it a lot better than me. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 09:22:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05381 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78DC1L21113; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DC0K07441; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78CwEK03493 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 06:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL1XBJZS1C0045BR@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:58:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL1X8NY3VG004SXD@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:13:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:08:33 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:07:38 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:07:35 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EACE697FF9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:07:35 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > (Cuz my voice could turn you off=20 music forever... yep *sigh* > that bad I never let that stop me. I stick to comedy numbers (that need to be *performed* more than sung) and "character" songs where the quality of the singing isn't really a requirement (plus background noises and sound effects - the Enquirer's Song with me providing sound effects of poor torture victims in the bckground using voice, a penny and a baby bouncer was quite good fun... And you'd be surprized how much even the worst of voices can improve with practice when given the incentive of *foolishly* agreeing to record a duet with someone who *can* sing when the author of the song catches you by surprize and asks you to do it... No one recognized my voice on that one (A competent tech crew doing the recording and mixing helps too) Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 09:23:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05385 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:23:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78DC9L21124; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DC8K07502; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78D3hK05123 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:03:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808130342.40767.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:42 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] UK H-Costume member photo promise Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:03:42 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Just to warn you that I promise (threaten?) to take piccies of as many H-Costume members I can this weekend at Kirby and cetainly at the tea party prays that it doesn't rain too hard* The weather forecast for Kirby is atrocious... Nicole - who wants to re-enact WWII just for the sturdy clothes and rain gear! I HAD IT! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 09:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05615 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:55:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Dk2L22876; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Dk1K18024; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78DfaK16737 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuAWDoEdDqPrrwtIJgrts9mTftEAlBizxA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9PQLWDE; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:41:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? Message-ID: <20020808.084107.-235459.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-7 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:41:06 -0500 Status: RO I've never filked....never.....not once....I've never written any filk songs, or sung them in public.......there are no published songs with my name attached to them....I deny it completely....It wasn't me, I wasn't there.....it was dark, I couldn't see....the dog ate my homework......No, really!! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:13:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05710 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78E32L24027; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:03:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78E31K24039; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DkNK18171 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g78DW5929703 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D527787.8340D742@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Costume member photo promise References: <20020808130342.40767.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 07:52:07 -0600 Status: RO Oh, awesome! I'm several thousand miles safe from having *mine* taken, but several thousand miles frustrated at not being able to go....it sounds like so much fun! Even without a chance to meet some of you--gotta swear, we're the most eclectic bunch! --Sue, in unseasonably drippy, cool Montana N Kipar wrote: > > Just to warn you that I promise (threaten?) to take piccies of as many > H-Costume members I can this weekend at Kirby and cetainly at the tea party > prays that it doesn't rain too hard* > The weather forecast for Kirby is atrocious... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:25:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05834 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:25:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78EFML24838; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78EFMK28830; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kumc-scanout.kumc.edu (kumc-scanout-fs.kumc.edu [169.147.166.198]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78DneK19256 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:49:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: FROM gatedo.kumc.edu BY kumc-scanout.kumc.edu ; Thu Aug 08 08:49:38 2002 -0500 Received: from KUMC-GATEWAY-DOMAIN-Message_Server by gatedo.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:49:37 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g78DneK19256 Subject: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:49:29 -0500 Status: RO I'm another who likes the research/design stage, especially the shopping for fabrics :). I procrastinate a lot about cutting out and sewing but really like the handwork/finishing part. Planning and making the accessories is another favorite part but I think part of that is because these the right accessories *make* the outfit. One thing I hate is fitting something on myself. I'll do it on others but hate to do it on myself. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05839 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78EFeL24922; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78EFeK29025; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78DwFK22242 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m241.in-tch.com [216.166.191.241]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g78Di6903718 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 07:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D527A54.48F8FDB9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:04:04 -0600 Status: RO I gotta admit I don't exactly live in an ethnically diverse place, so I don't see that much of this in clothing. Well, outside of one of our local SCA members (who's *completely* clueless as far as taste in clothing goes) who's managed to combine a piece of local Hmong needlework with a bad recreation a viking apron....*shudders*.... I sure do see similar influences in music, though, and in food. Combinations can be as shuddersome as taco pizza (blech!) or as wonderful as some of the fusion music I listen to--odd combinations of Irish, Scots, or Breton instruments, with diggeridoos, and African or Caribbean drumming.... I like to think of it as being blessed by the riches of the whole world, rather than my own little corner of it. --sue Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal > Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that is still > being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and Palestinian dresses > are instances of non-Western historical styles which are still evolving - > still being designed, made, and worn. > > Sarees are now available in polyester, with modern designs printed on them > (in Japan). Palestinian dresses are sometimes made with Palestinian > nationalistic designs cross-stitched on them. The cross-stitch designs on > these garments over the years, whether traditional or from Western pattern > books, has evolved in ways even a dilettante Palestinian cross-stitch fan > like myself can notice. > > I notice the same modernization of style in otherwise fossilized garments > like festival and folk dance costumes (European or Asian), American square > dance dresses, and Ren. Faire garments (picture old-time Faire folk, still > wearing 'Hippie-Renaissance' bodices from the 60s, with lots of floral > braid trim). > > Does anyone have opinions on this? > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 10:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06021 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78En7L27804; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78En6K13206; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:49:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78ENkK02336 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OuF0ciZkiwpSN+0ddxaSQ6w="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9PS2MCC; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:23:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Message-ID: <20020808.072228.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,11-12,14-17,19-31 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:16:34 +0000 Status: RO By the time you hit 17th century music, you may be doing what were popularly called "broadsides," which were an English genre of new words to old tunes (aka stuff you see with "to the tune of...."). Ever seen Samuel Pepys' collection? It's amazing. The practice itself is quite old. It reliably dates back to the Crusade era, when some sacred tunes were swiped by troubadours and their ilk and the sacred texts replaced by secular ones. The practice just kept going and going and going. My Latin is dreadful, but from what I have inferred from my dictionary (perhaps incorrectly) is that the word 'contrafact' means something along the lines of 'making a new shape.' If someone has a true definition, I'ld love to get it. Thank you for the brief OT: I now return you to your regularly programmed costume discussion. ;) Arlys (music Laurel type, An Tir) On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:10:55 +1000 "Glenda Robinson" writes: > Kat, > > Do you know the history behind the word "contafract"? It would lend > more > historicity to the silly songs we sing as Routiers (following the > popular > 17th century traditions, but not exclusively to 17th century tunes) > > Glenda. > No - I've never made up silly songs about anything... and I've never > taught > my children to either ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:16:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06111 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:16:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78F68L29396; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78F67K21428; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78EmgK13025 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL26SPBK8G003W86@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:48:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL26S207KW004K3C@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:46:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:41:30 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:40:30 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:40:21 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208081415.g78EFJK28813@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF5ACD15F9@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:40:21 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > And having just got the beautiful book on silk shading, crewelwork, > blackwork, and goldwork, from the Royal School of Needlework, I can > see a very busy winter ahead! Are you doing their goldwork course this autumn? Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:24:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06161 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:24:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78FF7L00398; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FF6K26211; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78F1CK18864 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:01:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL26Z2GBE8003W86@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:00:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL26VWSHYE004EXS@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:49:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:38 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:08 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:04 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208081415.g78EFJK28813@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF6A4D038D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g78F1CK18864 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:44:04 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I initially read this without seeing "kneepads", and had a wonderful > image of Teddy whizzing up and down on a skateboard, shears in hand, > whipping along a piece of fabric and effortlessly snipping pieces > out!! Wheeee!.. I wish! > When I cut out the only piece of floor I have large enough is the > lounge - I need to push the furniture back, remove the rugs, and > vacuum (I have two long-haired dogs) - this tends to be my main > stumbling block. We had that problem - then we built a sewing room onto the house. > I got some really nice linen at Whaley's yesterday - a cotton/linen > twill in beige and white, and a blue/white all linen twill. They also > had plain linen in various "natural looking colours". These were all > in the specials section, at £3.50 per 60" wide metre!! (+ VAT) of > course. It's worth keeping an eye on the specials section. > www.whaleys.co.uk Absolutely. I love some fo the fabrics I've had form there Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06212 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78FS2L01543; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FS1K03108; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FBPK24334 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL27BUWFOG0046H0@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:10:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL26ZTQM06005124@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:52:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:49 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:37 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:27 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? In-reply-to: <200208081415.g78EFJK28813@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EF7922652D@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:47:27 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > I've never filked....never.....not once....I've never written any filk > songs, or sung them in public.......there are no published songs with > my name attached to them....I deny it completely....It wasn't me, I > wasn't there.....it was dark, I couldn't see....the dog ate my > homework......No, really!! It won't wash, Karen. You should have pre-shrunk it first.... Besides, you already let slip on one of your visits over here that you have a "murky past in filkdom" Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 11:50:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06263 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:50:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78FeQL02752; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FeQK09627; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78FJmK28566 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:19:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL23PER2HC004GMY@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:19:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL23D08Q8U002WTN@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:08:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:33 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.108) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:26 +0000 From: Teddy In-reply-to: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3EDBD1637DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:03:25 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO WARNING: This is an unashamed GLOAT On Sunday the Royal Opera at Covent Garden in london held a sale of their surplus costumes. I went and there were some *wonderful* things on offer, some of which I bought. We arrived at 9am (doors opened at 10) and found the queue stretched from the door, right the way across the building and half way across Covent Garden itself.... by the time the doors opened the end of the queue was no longer visible from where we had joined it. We got in at 11:15am.... so there had been an hour and 15 minutes (and over 400 people) of the sale going on already (they only allowed 400 people in at a time so adfter the first 400 the rest of the queue had to wait and each time a group left, the same number of people were let in) I had expected lean pickings, but we entered a large hall *cramed full* of dress rails, trunks of boots and shoes etc, plus a balcony on 3 sides of it full of wigs, hats masks and headdresses and a seperate room full of tutus. the first thing I tried on didn't bode well. lovely blue and green renaissance doublet with *huge* puffy orange sleeves.... too tight to fasten (besides which it - as did many others I saw - had a false front fastening and really fastened down the back), then I Struck Lucky. The second thing I pulled off a rail was an off whte cotton velvet Elizabethan number, doublet, trunk hose with canions and short cape - lined in ivory silk and trimmed in gold braid and lace, with gold filigree buttons down the front and a real front fastening instead of faking it... and it fit me! With that draped over my arm I grabbed at a mass of gold and black brocade with a *delicious* sheen to it and found it was a HenryVIII style surcote with a big real-fur collar and turnback front, massive couble-puff sleeves and a very full cartridge pleated body. Lined in plain black (sturdy cotton, byt the look/feel of it) and exactly my size.... Item number two! An hour and a half more looking 'round and trying things on didn't produce anything else I liked enough to buy (or thought worth it for the limited use I'd get from it - some of the frock-coats obviously made for ballet productions were *splendid* but I'd hardly ever get to wear one). I found a little leather 16th century doublet with metal fastenings for my six year old godson, Jared (and he charmend the staff on duty into reducing it to less than half price - little costume tart that he is), and then a nice little brown doublet and trunk hose (doublet trimmed in bands of slashed leather) that will do for Court garb for him too. Tom found a late 18th century coat and britches, a bicorn hat, a leather "scarlet pimpernel" hat and a brown velvet elizabethan doublet for himself and we joined the queue to pay and leave - unfortunately, that involved standing in line for over two and a half hours (it was after 3pm by the time we l left, Tom had had a bad hypo attack and been dealt with by the *wonderful* operahouse staff and Jared was thankfully on Best Behaviour or none of us could have coped!). Fortunately for me (but not for my bank balance!), while we were standing in line they brought out fresh rails of costume and parked one right beside us - full of renaissance menswear.... So I added a black broacade (with green paned sleeves) doublet and slashed trunks to my pile of costume. I spent far too much, but got some really lovely stuff. It needs a bit of work (the white velvet trunks are fraying where they join the canions on the inner thigh on both legs, there's a gusset of mismatched fabric added into the waist of the black trunks making them too big for me (pretty much exactly my size if I remove it!!) and the sleeve lining on the surcote has popped a few stitches... none of it very big jobs to do. The problem is it's going to caude me more expense as I have *no* suitable shoes for wearing with late Elizabethan and only one pair of "they'll do at a pinch" ones for Tudor. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06439 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78G66L05176; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78G63K24132; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:06:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Fr2K16662 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA28687 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:52:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! In-Reply-To: <3EDBD1637DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Teddy, I hate you. :) Drea On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Teddy wrote: > WARNING: This is an unashamed GLOAT > > On Sunday the Royal Opera at Covent Garden in london held a > sale of their surplus costumes. I went and there were some > *wonderful* things on offer, some of which I bought. > > We arrived at 9am (doors opened at 10) and found the queue > stretched from the door, right the way across the building and half > way across Covent Garden itself.... by the time the doors opened > the end of the queue was no longer visible from where we had > joined it. > > We got in at 11:15am.... so there had been an hour and 15 minutes > (and over 400 people) of the sale going on already (they only > allowed 400 people in at a time so adfter the first 400 the rest of the > queue had to wait and each time a group left, the same number of > people were let in) > > I had expected lean pickings, but we entered a large hall *cramed > full* of dress rails, trunks of boots and shoes etc, plus a balcony on > 3 sides of it full of wigs, hats masks and headdresses and a > seperate room full of tutus. > > the first thing I tried on didn't bode well. lovely blue and green > renaissance doublet with *huge* puffy orange sleeves.... too tight to > fasten (besides which it - as did many others I saw - had a false > front fastening and really fastened down the back), then I Struck > Lucky. The second thing I pulled off a rail was an off whte cotton > velvet Elizabethan number, doublet, trunk hose with canions and > short cape - lined in ivory silk and trimmed in gold braid and lace, > with gold filigree buttons down the front and a real front fastening > instead of faking it... and it fit me! > > With that draped over my arm I grabbed at a mass of gold and > black brocade with a *delicious* sheen to it and found it was a > HenryVIII style surcote with a big real-fur collar and turnback front, > massive couble-puff sleeves and a very full cartridge pleated body. > Lined in plain black (sturdy cotton, byt the look/feel of it) and exactly > my size.... Item number two! > > An hour and a half more looking 'round and trying things on didn't > produce anything else I liked enough to buy (or thought worth it for > the limited use I'd get from it - some of the frock-coats obviously > made for ballet productions were *splendid* but I'd hardly ever get > to wear one). > > I found a little leather 16th century doublet with metal fastenings for > my six year old godson, Jared (and he charmend the staff on duty > into reducing it to less than half price - little costume tart that he is), > and then a nice little brown doublet and trunk hose (doublet > trimmed in bands of slashed leather) that will do for Court garb for > him too. > > Tom found a late 18th century coat and britches, a bicorn hat, a > leather "scarlet pimpernel" hat and a brown velvet elizabethan > doublet for himself and we joined the queue to pay and leave - > unfortunately, that involved standing in line for over two and a half > hours (it was after 3pm by the time we l left, Tom had had a bad > hypo attack and been dealt with by the *wonderful* operahouse > staff and Jared was thankfully on Best Behaviour or none of us > could have coped!). > > Fortunately for me (but not for my bank balance!), while we were > standing in line they brought out fresh rails of costume and parked > one right beside us - full of renaissance menswear.... So I added a > black broacade (with green paned sleeves) doublet and slashed > trunks to my pile of costume. > > I spent far too much, but got some really lovely stuff. It needs a bit > of work (the white velvet trunks are fraying where they join the > canions on the inner thigh on both legs, there's a gusset of > mismatched fabric added into the waist of the black trunks making > them too big for me (pretty much exactly my size if I remove it!!) > and the sleeve lining on the surcote has popped a few stitches... > none of it very big jobs to do. > > The problem is it's going to caude me more expense as I have *no* > suitable shoes for wearing with late Elizabethan and only one pair > of "they'll do at a pinch" ones for Tudor. > > > > Teddy > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06505 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:32:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78GN4L06699; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GN3K03804; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:23:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78GB0K26783 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:11:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 11603 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Received: from 66-81-32-164-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.32.164) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 16:32:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3D5295B5.15C03F90@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! References: <3EDBD1637DA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:00:53 -0700 Status: RO Teddy wrote: > > WARNING: This is an unashamed GLOAT > > On Sunday the Royal Opera at Covent Garden in london held a > sale of their surplus costumes. I went and there were some > *wonderful* things on offer, some of which I bought. > Teddy it all sounds lovely. I hate you, but it all sounds lovely. Stephen PS - Are you planning on coming to Costume-Con 21? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:40:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06541 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78GVFL07541; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:31:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GVEK08430; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:31:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14501.mail.yahoo.com (web14501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.64]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78GFfK29491 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808161541.83705.qmail@web14501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.138] by web14501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:15:41 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO And filking is nearly as expensive a hobby as costuming....what with books ("wanna buy a songbook little bard?") and cds. And while I haven't indulged lately in purchasing either books or cds, long ago I did succumb to the songbook pusher in order to have my hands on Heather's stuff. After all, "Welsh History 101B" is so much more fun when sung by someone Welsh. *lol* Angharad, who determined that the stack of filkbooks/lyric sheets was nearly 24" tall last month, when I pulled it out to take to an event. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:45:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06556 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Ga2L08082; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Ga2K11365; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GOQK04511 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cq5I-0003kG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:24:24 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: "h-costume" Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:24:24 -0400 Status: RO This will be my second attempt at sending this. Appologies if it crops up a second time in another few months... > > I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, > > but the Elizabethans > > did. > > Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if > in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems > using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period > fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood > now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Couldn't agree more, but there is apparently a market for used whalebone. Not too many weeks ago it was brought to my attention that someone was offering several lengths of the real stuff on ebay, probably salvaged from a 19th century corset (they were curved in such a way that suggested a mid-to-late 19th century corset). So it is possible to get "antique" whalebone, much as it's possible to still find antique ivory (elephant and walrus) on the market. For some people that would be enough of an excuse to use it in a costume and for others it would still be unconscionable. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 12:58:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06578 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:58:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78GmEL09651; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GmDK18762; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78GRRK06290 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cq8D-0003RI-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:27:25 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: "h-costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:27:25 -0400 Status: RO Again, this is the second time I'm sending this out. Sorry... :P > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* Hahahahaha! That's pretty much the same way I feel. Well, actually, I do enjoy sewing. I just have a love-hate relationship with it, because by nature I'm rather short on patience and attention, but I'm also stubborn as all get-out and I hate having unfinished projects lying around, and I tend to be rather obsessive. So I bounce back and forth between being so passionately consumed by the process of costuming to the point of forgetting to eat, shower, answer the call of nature, etc. and then spending a fair amount of time screaming and yelling and cursing like a sailor at a heap of indiferent fabric. And people always are quick to insist that I should do this for a living... Let me just say to anyone out there reading this who makes costumes for a living that I have nothing but admiration for you. :) > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in the waist measurement makes me insane! Second on that list would have to be collars... I'm currently working on a doublet bodice that has a slightly different style of open collar than normal and I'm stuck at the point right now where I'm having to get creative with adjusting the side seams to make it open correctly. :P On the list of things that I love to do would have to be corsets. I can whip out a corset in under an hour (not factoring in handsewing the binding which can take me a good 2 hours or so after that) if it's using metal or plastic boning. It takes a bit longer for reeds, but I'm also not handsewing my boning channels. Admittedly, I'm curious to find out if it would be as horrible as I've been imaginging it to handsew an entire corset. I suppose I'll find out soon enough as I won't be able to take my sewing machine with me when I go to University next month... I like making hats, too, but I'm not spectacular at it yet. Research and design are also high up there. Honestly, as much as it drives me crazy, I love the creative process every step of the way. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:19:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10827 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HA3L12008; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HA1K01689; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H1nK26658 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust129.tnt2.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.240.11.129] helo=faucet.net) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17cqfU-0007Nw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52B169.C827B2C8@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:59:04 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > Okay, when I got my superb Imperial silk taffeta for the > blue dress that Bjarne made me I paid £40 per meter. Ouch. Well.. now I know > taht the exact same fabric is available for about £15 pounds! You just have to > know the right person to buy it and not buy via a retailer (and certainly not > Radhika's in Bristol) Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm....and if you ever figure out that linen source, enquiring minds want to know! ;) Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:20:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10838 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:20:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HAJL12037; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HAJK01860; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H2uK27350 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:02:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J0038KBCVR0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <3E9F624405F@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808083857.00c645d0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208080017.g780HFK18752@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:39:43 -0700 Status: RO > > I HATE cutting out. It takes me so long to get a costume started, > > because it takes so long to get through that first stage. Doesn't > > help that I do it on the floor and it makes my knees sore. > >I'm with you there Jean, but have solved the sore-knee problem >with skateboard kneepads (alternatively, those strap on ones they >sell for gardeners who kneel a lot to weed and plant beds) Carpet installers use them too, as do painters, and you can get them at places that sell stuff to those folks too. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:24:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10855 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:24:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HEOL12441; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HENK04295; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H2vK27368 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J0038KBCVR0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments In-reply-to: <3D527A54.48F8FDB9@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808084143.00c65ca0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 09:02:56 -0700 Status: RO >I sure do see similar influences in music, though, and in food. >Combinations can be as shuddersome as taco pizza (blech!) or as >wonderful as some of the fusion music I listen to--odd combinations of >Irish, Scots, or Breton instruments, with diggeridoos, and African or >Caribbean drumming.... >I like to think of it as being blessed by the riches of the whole world, >rather than my own little corner of it. That's one of the best things about living in California. You get ethnic diversity in restaurants, music (live), and especially fabric stores. I am currently tracking down either a maker or an importer of the boots the 'Folklorico' (a Mexican folk dance style) dancers wear. The boots are made in Mexico. They look just like lace-up Victorian boots because they are still made from the same older patterns. They are built for dancing and stomping in, out of thicker leather than 100-year-old vintage ones are. They tend to have what I would call 'Cuban' heels, not spool heels. If the rumor I heard is correct, they are made-to-measure, which means I can get them the right size for my very-wide foot. I think I need to go down to the Mexican neighborhood in San Jose to find them, and spend all day poking around in the shops (and eating the good food, etc.). Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:24:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10859 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HERL12463; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HEQK04331; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78H3BK27520 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18113 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:04:49 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:04:49 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to > be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge > pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires > me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in > the waist measurement makes me insane! OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who does it like this: With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated section on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point of overlap if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your marks meet, and mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the centers again. Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want your pleats. Do the same on the edge of skirt fabric that will be going into the waistband, but make the same number of folds and marks as you did on the waistband. Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the skirt. Distribute the skirt fabric in each section by aligning the skirt fabric along the waistband till you hit the next pin, pinning to make a fold of the excess, then pulling the excess back over the part you just aligned. There are a handful of different ways you can do this; for instance, make twice as many marks as you intended and alternate the directions (for box pleats). Then sew. This has never failed me, and I've never had to do any math except count my marks -- 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:48:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11001 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Hd7L15106; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Hd6K18643; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HDWK03774 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:13:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g78HDUQw020543 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208081713.g78HDUQw020543@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Melanie Schuessler" at Aug 08, 2002 12:59:04 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Just recently, Kendra and I found silk taffeta (very limited color selection, though) for $14 US per yard in the fabric district in LA -- not a bad price at all! (and that was before bargaining. I bet I could have gotten it for $10/yard if we'd made a big show over it and offered to buy 20 yards...) .heather. > > N Kipar wrote: > > > > Okay, when I got my superb Imperial silk taffeta for the > > blue dress that Bjarne made me I paid £40 per meter. Ouch. Well.. now I know > > taht the exact same fabric is available for about £15 pounds! You just have to > > know the right person to buy it and not buy via a retailer (and certainly not > > Radhika's in Bristol) > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm....and if you ever figure out that linen source, > enquiring minds want to know! > > ;) > Melanie Schuessler > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11006 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HdHL15130; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HdGK18759; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HGgK05677 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g78HGef3020583 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208081716.g78HGef3020583@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020808084143.00c65ca0@mail.frys.com> from "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" at Aug 08, 2002 09:02:56 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO let us know when you find them -- I would love a pair of victorian boots for dancing in! (in san francisco) .heather. > > > >I sure do see similar influences in music, though, and in food. > >Combinations can be as shuddersome as taco pizza (blech!) or as > >wonderful as some of the fusion music I listen to--odd combinations of > >Irish, Scots, or Breton instruments, with diggeridoos, and African or > >Caribbean drumming.... > >I like to think of it as being blessed by the riches of the whole world, > >rather than my own little corner of it. > > That's one of the best things about living in California. You get ethnic > diversity in restaurants, music (live), and especially fabric stores. > > I am currently tracking down either a maker or an importer of the boots the > 'Folklorico' (a Mexican folk dance style) dancers wear. The boots are made > in Mexico. They look just like lace-up Victorian boots because they are > still made from the same older patterns. They are built for dancing and > stomping in, out of thicker leather than 100-year-old vintage ones > are. They tend to have what I would call 'Cuban' heels, not spool > heels. If the rumor I heard is correct, they are made-to-measure, which > means I can get them the right size for my very-wide foot. I think I need > to go down to the Mexican neighborhood in San Jose to find them, and spend > all day poking around in the shops (and eating the good food, etc.). > > > Kayta > > //// \\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > ((( <> )))) > ) (((((( > /----\ /---\)) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:53:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11035 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:53:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Hi1L15683; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Hi0K21488; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from niobium.golden.net (niobium.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HRrK12420 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from d7k7b6 (AS53-01-61.cas-ows.golden.net [216.209.7.61]) by niobium.golden.net (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g78HRoT10269 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003401c23f02$0e6e7680$8507d1d8@d7k7b6> From: "Five Rivers" To: References: <200208081415.g78EFDK28785@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [h-cost] Re:What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Five Rivers" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:32:58 -0400 Status: RO For me it would have to be the whole process which is enjoyable, which is likely why it takes me so long to do any one garment. I tend to over-do most things, choosing grandiose projects instead of simple, one or two day projects. I love figuring out patterns, and am in the process of working on some male Regency proto-types intended for eventual commercial marketing. I love transfering the garments to cloth along with the embroidery designs I've spent time researching and developing, stretching that on the frame, embroidering, taking it off the frame, cutting it out with that breathless anxiousness that has me wondering if indeed I'd checked all my measurements several times. Love the hand-sewing as well. Then of course comes the biggest perk of all, having the person the garment was made for try it on, or seeing it on a maniken. My biggest problem is transitions. It's the in-between stages that always get to me, put me in a state of inertia. Silly, really, but I have that problem with everything: writing, painting, costuming, housework, bookkeeping, even filling an order. That's why I'm likely such a control-freak, cause if I didn't sit on myself (imagines this rather odd picture) I'd likely end up like a windup toy forever bumping into a corner. Discipline, discipline, discipline. Sigh. Regards Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry ~ purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage fine hand-sewn embroidered garments, historical sewing patterns & embroidery supplies (519) 799-5577, fax (519) 799-5418 http://www.5rivers.org email: info@5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 13:53:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11039 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Hi7L15715; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Hi7K21596; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:44:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HW5K14762 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808173205.22323.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:32:05 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D52B169.C827B2C8@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:32:05 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm.... You need a seamstress/tailor to actually buy it for you. and if you ever figure out that linen source, > enquiring minds want to know! I'll have a look if they are at Kirby, I hope so because I am at last running out of my linen! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11104 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78HuJL16936; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78HuHK28703; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13309.mail.yahoo.com (web13309.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.192]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HhkK21338 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:43:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808174345.32192.qmail@web13309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 18:43:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:43:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I > have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who > does it like this: Same here, because maths=evil, rule of thumb=good > With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated section > on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point of overlap > if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your marks meet, and > mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the centers again. > Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want your pleats. Almost, I do a few less of the folds and use a ruler for the rest (divide the measurements with a calculator :-) > Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then > match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the skirt. yep Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:23:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11170 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78ID9L18535; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:13:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ID8K07857; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:13:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web20303.mail.yahoo.com (web20303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.84]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HwGK29819 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808175815.62815.qmail@web20303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.43.195.201] by web20303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:58:15 PDT From: Sharon Greany To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1700507703-1028829495=:62746" Subject: [h-cost] Teddy's Royal Oprea Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --0-1700507703-1028829495=:62746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't hate you !! 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Message-ID: <3D524E3B.10648.3D3D17C@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 10:55:55 -0700 Status: RO > OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. > I have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person > who does it like this: No, Robin, you are not the only one who does it this way. I used to measure carefully and do the math, but then I found that real life and paper measurements do not always correspond in a one-to-one fashion. I've had much less frustration since doing it your way! Sometimes it is more elementary than that (when doing cartridge pleats for instance.) Then I divide the line to be stitched and the one to be stitched onto into 8 parts (thus limiting the number of 1/2 of a 1/2 of a 1/2s I have to do), then pin it in place (or otherwise mark it. Then I just readjust the pleats so that they are visually even over the area (usually about 2-6" depending on the garment and the person who will be wearing it.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:27:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11215 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78II1L18954; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78II1K10307; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailsite.netdefender.net ([209.8.8.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78I1EK01541 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from netdefender.com (unverified [63.220.97.2]) by mailsite.netdefender.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3D52B1F3.1EF91863@netdefender.com> From: Jen Organization: NetDefender, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200208081716.g78HGef3020583@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: jen@netdefender.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:01:23 -0400 Status: RO What's the difference between doupioni and shantung? I've been looking into fabric for a dress to wear to a wedding this fall, and have been doing some looking on the web in addition to locally. Some web sites seem to use the two terms interchangeably, while others have them as two different animals. Help , please? Thanks! --jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:36:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11296 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:36:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IQ8L19706; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IQ8K14498; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IHSK10018 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 1cust101.tnt1.myrtle-beach.sc.da.uu.net ([67.226.239.101] helo=faucet.net) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17crqg-0006to-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3D52C326.575DF47B@faucet.net> From: Melanie Schuessler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] References: <20020808173205.22323.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 14:14:45 -0500 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > > --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm.... > > You need a seamstress/tailor to actually buy it for you. Why? Wholesale only? I have connections if you have a phone number or website or email address. Heather Meadows wrote: > > Just recently, Kendra and I found silk taffeta (very limited color selection, though) > for $14 US per yard in the fabric district in LA -- not a bad price at all! > (and that was before bargaining. I bet I could have gotten it for $10/yard if we'd > made a big show over it and offered to buy 20 yards...) What store was it? Do they do mail-order? Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11342 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:40:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IUNL20143; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IUNK16806; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HnIh13722 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020806174913.VXGP23732.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 17:49:13 +0000 Message-ID: <008201c23d71$8d08acf0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:49:02 -0700 Status: RO Try Farthingale's: www.farthingales.on.ca/ - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. A. Stonnell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] corset stays > Help! > > The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > Thank you > > Peggy Stonnell > > SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC > Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate > > English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11350 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IUXL20177; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IUXK16908; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g76I7ih24857 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:07:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020806132417.71393.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.42.208.182] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 06:24:17 PDT From: Megan Irvine Subject: Re: [h-cost] modern ethnic garments To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > I used to be of the opinion that, since the advent of the universal > > Westernization of world clothing, any genuine ethnic garment that > is still > being worn is historical. But garments like sarees and Palestinian > dresses > are instances of non-Western historical styles which are still > evolving - > still being designed, made, and worn. [snip] The "folklore" look is very hot right now in modern fashion--beading, embroidery, trim, etc. and I think that some ethnic clothing is just always going to be around because it is so practical and comfortable and functional. You do get into a tricky spot, however, when trying to separate the "modern" details from the historical basis of the garment. For example, the sari is an historical garment, but a floral polyester one is not appropriate if you are doing Mughal period, &etc. But I like the fact that fashion evolves, sometimes independently of the fashion industry. mirv ===== Megan Irvine http://www.darkthreads.com Personal log: http://darkthreads.blogspot.com "Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world; it is appeased by love. 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Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11355 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:40:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IUTL20159; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IUSK16850; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f224.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.224]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76I3hh22623 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:03:38 -0700 Received: from 66.136.212.67 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:03:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.212.67] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2002 18:03:38.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[96F75480:01C23D73] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 18:03:38 +0000 Status: RO heh. Now that they've passed the Concealed carry law, the guns here in Texas are neatly stowed away. Mary/Katerine (who tries to drive very softly and carries no Big Stick!) >And the shotguns are, tilted rakishly to the left, cocked and ready to go. >:) > >Apollonia > >----- Original Message ----- >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >To: h-costume@indra.com >Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:50 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > > >Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly >tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are >the >most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is >that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural >incarnations. >I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the >most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11463 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IhBL21199; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IhAK23656; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:43:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IVpK17681 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g78IVnFg021295 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208081831.g78IVnFg021295@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Melanie Schuessler" at Aug 08, 2002 02:14:45 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I have no idea what stores we saw them in -- it was the same price every place I asked, and all the stores are really just stalls, so I didn't check any signs. don't think any of them do mail order. .heather. > > Heather Meadows wrote: > > > > Just recently, Kendra and I found silk taffeta (very limited color selection, though) > > for $14 US per yard in the fabric district in LA -- not a bad price at all! > > (and that was before bargaining. I bet I could have gotten it for $10/yard if we'd > > made a big show over it and offered to buy 20 yards...) > > What store was it? Do they do mail-order? > > Thanks, > Melanie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:57:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11488 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IlQL21536; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IlQK25765; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IXhK18718 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:33:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.45.73]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020808183337.HEY8052.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:33:37 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808112651.00a3c660@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: 1812Civilian@yahoogroups.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Cc: h-costume@indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Interesting corset on ebay Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 11:33:22 -0700 Status: RO There's an interesting corset up for auction on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128835021 It's short, looks like it might end at the waist, but I think it's even shorter than that. It's got shoulder straps, but they're not connected and there doesn't appear to be any way of connecting, unless you pinned them after you got the corset laced up. It looks a lot like a child's corset, but it isn't because there are obvious bust gussets, and the dimensions are adult sized. I'm thinking this could be a Regency corset, or perhaps the 1820's, but I'm not totally convinced. It's quite unusual. The seller doesn't have any provenance, calls it a "half" corset (that IS what it looks like) but wants to date it to from 1840 to 1870. If it's authentic I'd say it has to be earlier, but I'm not convinced it's authentic. Anyone have any other theories? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 14:57:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11492 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78IlXL21568; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78IlWK25835; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78IYkK19437 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808183445.47538.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:34:45 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] cheaper silk taffeta? [was: perfect elizabethan] To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D52C326.575DF47B@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:34:45 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > N Kipar wrote: > > > > --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > > > > Who is this person and how do I find them? Silk > > > taffeta...mmmmmmmmmm.... > > > > You need a seamstress/tailor to actually buy it for you. > > Why? Wholesale only? I have connections if you have a phone number or > website or email address. I'm sorry, I would have to ask my own seamstress, she didn't tell me where she gets it, and I didn't ask coz i would have to get it via her. It's from the UK though, so I don't know how much the shipping and stuff would add. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:10:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11588 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78J0ML22792; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78J0La02964; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:00:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Il3K25561 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.1b8.475c5f2 (4158) for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:46:52 EDT Status: RO --part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/2002 2:19:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jen@netdefender.com writes: > What's the difference between doupioni and shantung? It is my understanding that dupioni has more of a slub and is the "rougher" looking of the two. Shantung has a less frequent and finer slub thread. What IS it with all this dupioni? Why aren't there more silk taffetas around here in the provinces? I mean, if it were here, it would sell. Doncha think? --part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/2002 2:19:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jen@netdefender.com writes:


What's the difference between doupioni and shantung?  


It is my understanding that dupioni has more of a slub and is the "rougher" looking of the two. Shantung has a less frequent and finer slub thread.


What IS it with all this dupioni? Why aren't there more silk taffetas around here in the provinces? I mean, if it were here, it would sell. Doncha think? --part1_1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:35:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11729 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JQ4L25141; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JQ2a16451; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web10002.mail.yahoo.com (web10002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78JBRa08548 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808191126.74115.qmail@web10002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.50.56.226] by web10002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 12:11:26 PDT From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@net.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [h-cost] Thanks and Pictures Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I'd like to thank the people who answered my question about flat felled seams, especially Drue who sent me a very informative email. The is the website with pictures of the costume I made: http://users.starpower.net/cragins/costumes/ This is the first costume I've made for a man and I am pleased with the way it turned out and very, very happy that it is finished! I wanted to slash between the trim but my method of treating the slash as if it were a bound buttonhole didn't look good. Has anyone else done slashes? What do you do? Also I really do know that the grommets should be bound eyelets or at least covered in thread. But I wanted all of those holes because it looks much like of the outfits in Arnold. I didn't want to spend the time to cover them and I haven't learned how to make hand-bound eyelets yet. Maybe next time. So I'm relying on the "convention" of grommets. I told Arthur he could have someone else cover them if he ever runs into trouble with a Costume Director. I made a bag for him to carry the extra ribbon to use when he is not using the sleeves and then told him his character was too high class to carry it. I think I confused him. Kay __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:40:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11769 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:40:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JUwL25665; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JUva19012; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JGja11424 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:16:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19039 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:18:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types In-Reply-To: <1b8.475c5f2.2a84169c@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > What's the difference between doupioni and shantung? > > It is my understanding that dupioni has more of a slub and is the > "rougher" looking of the two. Shantung has a less frequent and finer > slub thread. That's my understanding too. However, an individual shop or supplier may (wrongly) use either name to refer to any silk that has an obvious weft line/ridges to it. > What IS it with all this dupioni? Why aren't there more silk taffetas > around here in the provinces? I mean, if it were here, it would sell. > Doncha think? Yes, if people were intelligent like us ;-) But I'm watching the dupioni fly off the shelves at the shop I'm working at. I think people today value the slubby look and almost papery (maybe not the right word?) feel of dupioni as being obviously "silk." There's nothing else that looks like that. By contrast, a good synthetic taffeta looks very much the same as a silk taffeta, so when people see real silk taffeta, they often don't see why it should cost so much more than the similar-looking synthetic version. (Touch it and you'll know the difference, and we know the subtle difference in shine, but the looks don't scream "silk" to the modern buyer.) The silks and wools I seek for medieval costuming are definitely not the sorts of fabric modern people think of when you say "silk" or "wool." And when I wear my wool worsted or silk bengaline, people are surprised to find out that it's wool or silk, because that's not what they envisioned it would look like. To them, "wool" often conjures up an impression of fuzzy and thick (like blankets and coats), and "silk" is China silk. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11776 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:44:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JZ5L25991; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JZ4a21107; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JIBa12192 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g78JGJm3029110 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Interesting corset on ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808112651.00a3c660@postoffice.att.net> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:19:18 -0300 Status: RO Could this be part of a costume - possibly a dancer's bodice to be worn over something with filmy sleeves? It's certainly old, but it doesn't look like a corset. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 15:44:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11780 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:44:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78JZAL26014; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JZ9a21194; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.227]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78JIAa12186 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marthakelly (24-168-32-190.nyc.rr.com [24.168.32.190]) by nycsmtp2out.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.12.1/Road Runner SMTP Server 1.0) with SMTP id g78JGJm1029110 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] silly question re: silk types Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3D52B1F3.1EF91863@netdefender.com> Importance: Normal Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:19:18 -0300 Status: RO I have to comment, because a lady and I got into an argument about this in a fabric store in New York this week. After our discussion, I asked every store owner I dealt with. There are technical differences that you can look up in textile dictionaries and on the web, but I'll tell you what I found out "on the street." Many owners said, "Same, same. No difference. All same." A few agreed that there WAS a difference. The shiny, slubby stuff - sometimes in lovely plaids and stripes - that's what they're calling dupioni. The much rougher one that says "jacket" or "pillow" is being called shantung. It's not as shiny. Does that make any sense? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 16:53:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12201 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:53:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78KhFL03071; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:43:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78KhEa29451; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:43:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78KK3a16540 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p139.directcon.net [209.233.107.139]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g78KJoMx021456; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 13:19:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020808132510.010a42a0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: [h-cost] Arming Bolsters? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020808084143.00c65ca0@mail.frys.com> References: <3D527A54.48F8FDB9@in-tch.com> <4.3.1.2.20020805124832.00da7670@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 13:25:10 -0700 Status: RO Some men, when wearing Elizabethan slops or Venetian breeches, wear what they call an "arming bolster" under them, in order to give the proper spring out from the waist and, I am told to support the weight of the sword belt and its danglies. It's basically a smaller version of the bum roll, about 1" in cross section. They seem to be a practical idea, but I'd like to find out if they were actually worn in period. can anyone point me to a contempory reference? Thanks, Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 17:35:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12386 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:35:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78LQ2L07717; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78LQ1a24954; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:26:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host11.avidhosting.com (host11.avidhosting.com [209.239.33.204]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78L9Xa15421 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marnadav (slip110.access-one.com [198.247.160.110]) by host11.avidhosting.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g78L9Ve03064 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:09:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c23f1f$93e9bbe0$6ea0f7c6@marnadav> From: "Marna Jean" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Marna Jean" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0500 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy = dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 = so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. MJ Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era=20 Online Classes in History and Period Sewing ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a theory- its part of an = entertainers=20 costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy = dress=20 costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing = late 19th=20 century.
MJ
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C23EF5.A8312D60-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 18:01:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12534 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:00:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78LpBL09982; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:51:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Lp4a08584; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:51:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78LZTa00314 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:35:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCuAWDoEdDqPrm1908a+aU7Pr/2xOU/7Xmg=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9QKQ5DN; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:35:12 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] (h-cost) What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!!! Message-ID: <20020808.163529.-583783.1.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-5 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:35:28 -0500 Status: RO I can't wait to see pics of you wearing them....and maybe a fashion show the next time I visit! They sound yummy......and now I'm all misty about missing Covent Garden which is one of my favorite parts of London. Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:17:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12861 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78N83L16802; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N81a18544; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78MqGa11228 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:52:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from qwerty.optusnet.com.au (c16828.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au [211.28.151.194]) by mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g78MqAi17787 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:52:10 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809083147.021c4250@210.49.20.169> X-Sender: koidgath@210.49.20.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 08:44:41 +1000 Status: RO I'm quite happy with researching, designing, drafting, cutting out, and first stages of sewing. I'm also quite happy hand sewing, embroidering, making various bobbin or needle laces and accessories. I don't have a particularly favorite task cos I have to be in the mood/ appropriate use of time (like taking my hand sewing over to the uni and sitting in the caf sewing and gossiping for the afternoon). I love the challenge of getting something right and close to the period as I can get (that would probably explain why I've started to teach my self to spin and weave (for earlier periods) Fitting the garment ( I have never been taught how to fit things properly) and hemming (as in fixing the length so its correct all the way around not sewing) skirts (particularly ones over hoops skirts) drive me crazy because I can't do it by myself, I share a house with 3 boys aged between 22-25 and I'm the most experienced sewer in that usually turns up to sewing nights. Sharon Nevin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12867 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78N8KL16830; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N8Ka18698; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:08:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Msta12464 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.199.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cwBB-0007Y8-0W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:54:54 +0100 Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressing up? (WAS: How I got involved) References: <200208041953.g74JrBF06876@net.indra.com> <3D625701FBA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> <4.3.1.2.20020807162700.00cade90@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020807162700.00cade90@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-U (<$wEBjsSJlUex9q9c790bp3afMD>) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:41:13 +0100 Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote > >And one of my daughters' favourite colour was always black, even from a >very young age, and she still likes functional clothes and plain >dresses (when she has to wear a dress) to the kind of feminine things >other girls like (which drives the other daughter, who went thru a >ruffly-pink-dress phase, crazy). > >Kayta > I never forget the time my mother looked at me and said despairingly "You really do suit black!" She hates anyone wearing all black, but she couldn't deny it looked good. -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:26:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12891 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:26:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NGUL17402; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NGTa22380; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N09a14908 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0JRVZ00.9S2 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:59:59 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.46 ([203.54.114.46]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 101/37343003); 09 Aug 2002 08:59:54 Message-ID: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:05:17 -0700 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Sarah Lorraine wrote: > > > Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to > > be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge > > pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires > > me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in > > the waist measurement makes me insane! > > OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I > have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who > does it like this: > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have a foolproof method for this one? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:26:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12896 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:26:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NGaL17428; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NGaa22447; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta04ps.bigpond.com (mta04ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.136]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78N5Ja17290 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:05:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.81]) by mta04ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta04ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0JS4O00.6ZA for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:05:12 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.46 ([203.54.114.46]) by psmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 101/37348282); 09 Aug 2002 09:05:07 Message-ID: <3D53E982.22B02820@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <20020807100724.13337.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:10:42 -0700 Status: RO N Kipar wrote: > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? > I like the part where it all starts coming together and looking like the thing you wanted it to. I still think there's a kind of magic in taking 2 dimensional stuff and making it into something 3d... I also like doing fiddly bits of handsewing where you are manipulating the fabric as much with your fingers as with the needle. And detailed bits that make the garment look 'neat' - I'm not quite sure how to explain that except it's like when you put on a facing and get a perfectly mitred corner and it makes the front of the jacket look nice and crisp and hang just right - that's a bit of a thrill too. I don't like cutting out because it makes me paranoid, and I have a lot of trouble making myself do finishing off stuff like hems (despite what I said above). I guess I get to a certain point and run out of steam. My brain says - this is close enough to done -and moves onto the next thing. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:42:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12967 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NX8L18814; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NX5a29655; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78NLxa24820 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:21:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020808232158.66095.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.237.15.43] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:21:58 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:21:58 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > a foolproof method for this one? Uhm... you are probably going to scream now being a mathematician but I NEVER cxalculate anything when I cartridge pleat. I just pleat, as big or small as I think looks good and then I just shuffle the pleats prettily and neatly along the waistband. works everytime, truly foolproof and I wouldn't even know how to do the calculation thing (I'm dyscalcic, numbers mean nothing to me). Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:52:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13002 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78Nh3L19463; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78Nh2a04063; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:43:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NRDa27327 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.138]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g78NQA023074 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:26:10 +1000 Message-ID: <004d01c23f33$173ab2c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: <20020808.072228.-104109.1.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:26:56 +1000 Status: RO Thanks Kat and Cynthia! I'd heard the term Broadsides before, but never really associated it with our particular brand of scurrilous songs (I thought it was the act of publishing song words, rather than the writing of alternate verse), and I now know the true history of the term contrafract! Thanks heaps, A more knowledgable Glenda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:56:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13034 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:56:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NlCL19814; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NlBa05774; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from asteroid.pacifier.com (new-asteroid.pacifier.com [216.65.150.154]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NUxa28855 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip123.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.100.123]) by asteroid.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g78NUtq19732 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) Message-ID: <3D529F27.17928.50FF618@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:41:11 -0700 Status: RO > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > a foolproof method for this one? While I wouldn't say it was foolproof, I leave the thread "loose" but wound in a figure eight around a pin. That way I can adjust it as needed. After it is sewn on, I then will tie off the thread/strand. I'll call it a strand since sometimes I use one heavy duty thread, sometimes a doubled one and occasionally even a quadrupled one.) Also, I don't have a single strand running around the whole waistband. I do that in quarters or eighths too. The reason for this is that if you pop a strand, you don't get the whole skirt popping out, only that one section, which makes it much easier to repair. (I do the sewing of the pleats the same way for the same reason. Can you tell I've seen too many which have unraveled themselves in the middle of important usage?) The tricky part of this is that you have to have the strands of one section slightly overlapping those of another section so that you don't accidently get an "empty" area with a pleat valley which doesn't have a strand holding it in place. Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 19:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13038 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g78NlJL19828; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NlIa05837; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78NW0a29221 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21150 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:33:39 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) In-Reply-To: <3D53E83D.1CC15EB9@bigpond.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:33:39 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Claire Clarke wrote: > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > a foolproof method for this one? Mark the waistband and the skirt in quarters. Run four gathering threads -- one for each quarter. Pin the quarter-marks together before you pull up the gathers. Do one quarter at a time -- pull up the gathering to match the waistband, tie off the gathering thread, move to the next. If you're not sure how big to make your stitches, do one quarter all the way first. You can re-do if necessary. Then once you've got the right rhythm, use it on the others. But I never had much issue with the size of the pleats -- it always seemed to work. I'm open to better suggestions! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 20:44:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13192 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g790YGL22536; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790YEa22719; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g78ERRK03831 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out006 ([192.168.129.131]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020808142721.TREC310.out006.verizon.net@out006> for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:27:21 -0500 From: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020808142721.TREC310.out006.verizon.net@out006> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 9:27:21 -0500 Status: RO > > > What about bone from one of the many dead, beached whales? That wouldn't > harm the whale population in any way, and the whale certainly wouldn't be > needing it anymore.... > > Pam Dotson > Everett, WA USA It is however still in most cases illegal. I say most cases because their are some institutions and peoples who are provided license or exclusions. For instance some Native Americans are allowed to hunt whales, and some places are allowed to own whale parts (Colonial Williamsburg for instance). However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. (I have a collection of 19th century ivory for instance). The strangest extension of this would be eagle feathers. Eagle naturally lose feathers with no harm done to themselves, but they are still illegal to own for most Americans. I suspect a large part of this is to deny a possible defense to poachers. Cheers, Ron _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 20:48:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13222 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g790cZL22792; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790cXa24204; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790P8a19497 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J00CV4VTTSN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:25:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting corset on ebay In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020808112651.00a3c660@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808170743.00e568c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:18:04 -0700 Status: RO I think it's too straight around the bottom to be an evening bodice from the 1880s, which it kind-of looks like. It might be a European folk costume bodice (I own one that has separable straps and a straight-around waist like this, but usually these open in front). I think it's probably an item of Fancy Dress from someplace, because of the nice material and the gold, apparently sewn on there to show. It might be actually old, but it's hard to tell from e-bay's pictures. It's certainly not a corset, because it doesn't extend below the waist. Even Regency corsets do that. >There's an interesting corset up for auction on ebay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2128835021 > >It's short, looks like it might end at the waist, but I think it's even >shorter than that. It's got shoulder straps, but they're not connected and >there doesn't appear to be any way of connecting, unless you pinned them >after you got the corset laced up. It looks a lot like a child's corset, >but it isn't because there are obvious bust gussets, and the dimensions >are adult sized. > >I'm thinking this could be a Regency corset, or perhaps the 1820's, but >I'm not totally convinced. It's quite unusual. The seller doesn't have any >provenance, calls it a "half" corset (that IS what it looks like) but >wants to date it to from 1840 to 1870. If it's authentic I'd say it has to >be earlier, but I'm not convinced it's authentic. > >Anyone have any other theories? > >Julie > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 20:48:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13226 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g790cdL22810; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790cca24269; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g790P9a19514 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:25:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0J00CV4VTTSN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:25:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020808165641.00e54330@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:23:25 -0700 Status: RO When I have a commercial pattern that tells me to gather something into something else (like shirt sleeves into cuffs) I do it the half/quarter/eighth/etc method. But when I'm the one planning the pleats, I use the 'three times' rule, where the stuff to be pleated is three times the length of the thing onto which it will be pleated. Most sizes of pleats I do work with that for a measuring scheme. And if it doesn't come out even, I fudge it at the placket. (I was a Math Major for a couple of semesters.) Cartridge pleating is all fudging once you have the material pleated up and ready to pin and stitch. Just yank on the gathering threads till it's the right size, arrange the pleats evenly along it, then pin them in place. > > Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to > > be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge > > pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires > > me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in > > the waist measurement makes me insane! > >OK, I keep hearing people talk about measuring and math to do pleats. I >have never ever used measurements for pleats. Am I the only person who >does it like this: > >With a fabric marker, chalk, or pins, mark the ends of the pleated section >on the waistband (end to end, usually, or one end to the point of overlap >if you've got an overlapping bit). Fold in half so your marks meet, and >mark the center. Fold each half in half, then mark the centers again. >Continue till your marks are as far apart as you want your pleats. > >Do the same on the edge of skirt fabric that will be going into the >waistband, but make the same number of folds and marks as you did on the >waistband. > >Place right sides together and pin the ends exactly on the marks. Then >match each mark on the waistband with the corresponding mark on the skirt. > >Distribute the skirt fabric in each section by aligning the skirt fabric >along the waistband till you hit the next pin, pinning to make a fold of >the excess, then pulling the excess back over the part you just aligned. >There are a handful of different ways you can do this; for instance, make >twice as many marks as you intended and alternate the directions (for box >pleats). > >Then sew. > >This has never failed me, and I've never had to do any math except count >my marks -- 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 21:21:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13312 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:21:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g791C3L24629; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g791C2a04975; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7914Sa02789 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:04:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21888 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:06:08 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <004d01c23f33$173ab2c0$eaf4fea9@glendaii> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:06:08 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Glenda Robinson wrote: > I'd heard the term Broadsides before, but never really associated it > with our particular brand of scurrilous songs (I thought it was the > act of publishing song words, rather than the writing of alternate > verse)... As far as I learned, it was a printing method -- on single sheets called broadsides that were sold or distributed as a single page, unlike a book. One of the popular uses for broadside publishing was for song lyrics, which were then called "broadside ballads." I have not heard the term "broadside" applied only to one subset of popular song, but this isn't my specialty, so perhaps it was. (I also have not heard of the term applied to the writing of such songs. I could go look it up if I had the energy.) Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, religious material, probably ads for all I know. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 21:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13424 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:55:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g791k5L26343; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g791k4a14639; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from broadviewnet.net (ols.broadviewnet.net [64.115.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g791fca13260 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9316 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2002 01:41:36 -0000 Received: from s36.dial1.pro.nac.net (HELO lola.broadviewnet.net) (209.123.234.86) by mail.broadviewnet.net with SMTP; 9 Aug 2002 01:41:36 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020808214028.00ac5200@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Sender: windsong@mail.broadviewnet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Victoria Wickens In-Reply-To: <200208081415.g78EFDK28785@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_92228339==_.ALT" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Filkers on h-cost Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 21:44:23 -0400 Status: RO --=====================_92228339==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:15 AM 8/8/02 -0600, you wrote: >I never let that stop me. I stick to comedy numbers (that need to be >*performed* more than sung) and "character" songs where the >quality of the singing isn't really a requirement (plus background >noises and sound effects - the Enquirer's Song with me providing >sound effects of poor torture victims in the bckground using voice, >a penny and a baby bouncer was quite good fun... Ahhh... I can carry a tune when I sing softly, but they can't mic me well enough to boost my voice. I'll gladly sing off-key with those who don't mind, but not in public... ok, not in public where you know it's me *weg* >And you'd be surprized how much even the worst of voices can >improve with practice when given the incentive of *foolishly* >agreeing to record a duet with someone who *can* sing when the >author of the song catches you by surprize and asks you to do it... Nah... the more I practice, the worse I sound... really! I'll manage a few bars on-key, and then it's back to the fingernails-on-chalkboard. I even had singing lessons and the teacher told me, nicely, that there was nothing she could do. Eh, I survived, and decided to write filk for others to have fun with, lol! Victoria Wickens Lady Victoria's Castle Closet http://www.castlecloset.cc Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/ --=====================_92228339==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 08:15 AM 8/8/02 -0600, you wrote:
I never let that stop me.  I stick to comedy numbers (that need to be
*performed* more than sung) and "character" songs where the
quality of the singing isn't really a requirement (plus background
noises and sound effects - the Enquirer's Song with me providing
sound effects of poor torture victims in the bckground using voice,
a penny and a baby bouncer was quite good fun...<G>

Ahhh... I can carry a tune when I sing softly, but they can't mic me well enough to boost my voice.  I'll gladly sing off-key with those who don't mind, but not in public... ok, not in public where you know it's me *weg*

And you'd be surprized how much even the worst of voices can
improve with practice when given the incentive of *foolishly*
agreeing to record a duet with someone who *can* sing when the
author of the song catches you by surprize and asks you to do it...

Nah... the more I practice, the worse I sound... really!  I'll manage a few bars on-key, and then it's back to the fingernails-on-chalkboard.  I even had singing lessons and the teacher told me, nicely, that there was nothing she could do.  Eh, I survived, and decided to write filk for others to have fun with, lol!

Victoria Wickens
Lady Victoria's Castle Closet
http://www.castlecloset.cc
Gallery: http://bluedragyn.net/~lvcc/castle-creations/

 --=====================_92228339==_.ALT-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:16:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13687 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79371L00533; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79370a07994; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g792oxa03354 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhoKPDissIOv3nI2iztJ8XA="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9Q5SRR6; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:50:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <20020808.195017.-104109.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:24:52 +0000 Status: RO I like to embroider (split stitch mainly, and blackwork) and make the occaisional accessory. I don't costume and don't want to--I would rather be of financial benefit to my friends who do. :-) I do take a lot of costuming classes though as I am interested in the theory and have very much enjoyed the expertise of others. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13714 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793FJL00979; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793FIa10437; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g792p0a03364 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhoKPDissIOvKwbZlvlLZa8="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9Q5SRSJ; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:50:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <20020808.195018.-104109.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:51 +0000 Status: RO A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical. Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became easier to swipe! Thanks Robin! :-) Arlys [good stuff snipped] > Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, > religious material, probably ads for all I know. > > --Robin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:25:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13723 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793FSL00992; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793FRa10490; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:15:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g792p0a03363 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:51:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OhoKPDissIOvKwbZlvlLZa8="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9Q5SRSJ; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:50:40 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <20020808.195018.-104109.7.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-15 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 19:46:51 +0000 Status: RO A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical. Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became easier to swipe! Thanks Robin! :-) Arlys [good stuff snipped] > Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, > religious material, probably ads for all I know. > > --Robin ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:41:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13788 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:41:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793W5L01889; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793W5a15207; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793KCa11955 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:20:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [207.206.136.13] (account axejudge@accessus.net HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 100356821 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:20:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3D533507.9080004@accessus.net> From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset References: <000b01c23f1f$93e9bbe0$6ea0f7c6@marnadav> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070603080507000001030003" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: axejudge@accessus.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 22:20:39 -0500 Status: RO --------------070603080507000001030003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimed it was way too short to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one make assumptions about it based on whether it would fit them. I am *extremely* short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit me almost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed, too. So it might be way too short for most of you, but not me. Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, because they're the only people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably) Marna Jean wrote: > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy > dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 > so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. > > MJ > --------------070603080507000001030003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimed it was way too short to be a corset.  I would ask, please, that no one make assumptions about it based on whether it would fit them.  I am *extremely* short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit me almost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed, too.  So it might be way too short for most of you, but not me.

Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, because they're the only people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably)

Marna Jean wrote:

I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century.
MJ

--------------070603080507000001030003-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:41:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13792 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:41:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793WFL01930; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793WEa15281; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793NSa12748 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:23:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Morses3@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.d4.1b740838 (4584) for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Morses3@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Subject: [h-cost] Need sewing done Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:23:11 EDT Status: RO --part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Please accept my apology if this an inappropriate use of the list..... I am actually going to start going to SCA events instead of reading about them and need to find someone who would be interested in making some Norman style garb (appropriate for c.1200-1250)some time in the near future. I can supply wool and linen fabrics, I probably need some guidance about appropriate trims, etc., but I'd rather pay somebody who knows what they're doing and don't have the time right now to learn to do it properly myself. I'd also rather use better materials and just skip the "starter garb" stage if possible and have a finished product I'd be happy to use later as well....Please e-mail me off the list if you like and let me know if you're interested, what your price would be, etc. Thanks, Gervase --part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings,

Please accept my apology if this an inappropriate use of the list.....

I am actually going to start going to SCA events instead of reading about them and need to find someone who would be interested in making some Norman style garb (appropriate for c.1200-1250)some time in the near future. I can supply wool and linen fabrics, I probably need some guidance about appropriate trims, etc., but I'd rather pay somebody who knows what they're doing  and don't have the time right now to learn to do it properly myself. I'd also rather use better materials and just skip the "starter garb" stage if possible and have a finished product I'd be happy to use later as well....Please e-mail me off the list if you like and let me know if you're interested, what your price would be, etc.

Thanks,

Gervase --part1_d4.1b740838.2a848f9f_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Thu Aug 8 23:42:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13797 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:42:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g793WCL01911; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793WBa15258; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g793KDa11965 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 21:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comcast.net (pcp234948pcs.elictc01.md.comcast.net [68.55.182.133]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0K008113XELN@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Liz / Cozit To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D5334F3.7000002@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020512 Netscape/7.0b1 References: <200208082056.g78Ku5a06982@net.indra.com> Subject: [h-cost] Bodice question... year only matters a bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:20:19 -0400 Status: RO Ok.. so the one I'm working on is Tudor... but the same concepts apply in quite a few periods.... I'm working on (I *thought* I was finishing it till I tried it on earlier this week...) a lower-class, Henry VIII period dress... well, the outer layer at least. When I've made an "Irish gown", or more modern jumperish type dresses, the placement of the seam at the side of the gown has helped with the, um... bulge problem at the breast level on the side... yeah, I'm a bit overweight... and have had a couple of kids... so I don't know if there's any way of controling that odd look short of making a boned or corded underbodice or corset that I'm having with this new bodice with the seams (and I did include a line of boning there, anticipating a possible problem) a bit more to the back of the bodice portion. The suggestion was that I maybe add a couple of strips of Rigeline (sp?) to the inside of the bodice (and remember where the problem occured to correct before getting this far next time). But I'm having trouble figuring out how best to place them to best effect. So... it's a front lacing bodice, with that wonderful line that is fashionable from Henry's time up through colonial America's... or it should be. Currently has (not quite steel strength, but close to it (compared to those in a corset I made last year).. a bit thicker... boning running up both sides of the opening, and at the side seams (this is (originally at least) off Margo's Elizabethian pattern... with minor adjustments for period and specific body). Any ideas of how to place some additional stays... preferably just the light, easy to play with, not so noticable under a layer of canvas and layer of medium-weight linen, Rigeline? Center bottom out to top of the side boning? couple up and down somewhere? how many, or any other suggestions would all be welcome. Sticking with something that lightweight and easily sewable would keep me from having to put wierd channels on the inside, and/or taking the bodice off the bottom again ( I really don't want to re-stitch that if I can help it). TIA, -Elisabeth (*trying* to finish by Saturday... and have a good chance...if I don't have to rip apart the bodice again) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:17:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14072 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:17:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7957sL06580; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:07:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7957qa12314; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:07:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HG3h22834 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA07998; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Farthingales (http://www.farthingales.on.ca) sells a wide variety of corset boning. Drea On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, P. A. Stonnell wrote: > Help! > > The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > Thank you > > Peggy Stonnell > > SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC > Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate > > English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14076 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79587L06598; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79587a12393; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HG5h22883 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA07998; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] corset stays In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020806092016.01f72450@shawmail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Farthingales (http://www.farthingales.on.ca) sells a wide variety of corset boning. Drea On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, P. A. Stonnell wrote: > Help! > > The only place that we know of in our local area (Vancouver, BC, Canada) > that carries metal corset stays has become very unreliable. Once in a > while you can go in and get some, but that is happening less and less. > > Can the good members of this list recommend a reliable mailorder source? > Is there somewhere in Canada (so we don't have to deal with duty and customs)? > > Thank you > > Peggy Stonnell > > SCA - HL Isobel fitz Gilbert, JdL, GdS, OLC > Mistress of Arts, Barony of Lions Gate > > English Village Society, Village of Stowbrook - Elizabeth Cook > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14080 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958XL06677; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958Wa12579; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf22bis.bellsouth.net (mail122.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.82]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76Hd5h07780 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.85]) by imf22bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020806173855.RQLG7447.imf22bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:38:55 -0400 Message-ID: <00a201c23d6f$c2306190$55144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: <153.12034029.2a815ae8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 13:36:10 -0400 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, that's Salisbury! And we still have trains every hour, going by my = house and sometimes stopping on my road for 20-40 minutes at a stretch = blocking traffic. But I love small towns, and wouldn't leave it. You = just have to work around things. Like my neighbors who were target = shooting shotguns for 3 hours on Sunday.... I can't even comprehend that logistical nightmare....but overtime is = good.... Apollonia ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In a message dated 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = apollonia@bellsouth.net writes:=20 The town I live in, Salisbury We filmed the miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney = [sp] Sisters.....and their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we = filmed it ironically, at Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? = Isn't there a railroad museum near you. We did the period departure and = arrival scenes there.=20 What a nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot = of extras. We filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. = Changed everybody and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed = everybody again and filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that = night we did it all again but the arrivals. There had to be continuity = on the girls and family and extras in the trains, But the extras on the = platform had to change every time. A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY = THAT WAS!=20 I made tons in overtime and meal penalties though.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, that's = Salisbury! =20 And we still have trains every hour, going by my house and sometimes = stopping on=20 my road for 20-40 minutes at a stretch blocking traffic.  But I = love small=20 towns, and wouldn't leave it.  You just have to work around = things. =20 Like my neighbors who were target shooting shotguns for 3 hours on=20 Sunday....
 
I can't even = comprehend that=20 logistical nightmare....but overtime is good....
 
Apollonia
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 AlbertCat@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 = 1:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes = in 50=20 states

In a = message dated=20 8/6/2002 12:29:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apollonia@bellsouth.net = writes:=20


The town I live in, Salisbury

We filmed the=20 miniseries "Having our Say," the story of the Delaney [sp] = Sisters.....and=20 their fight and triumph over prejudice.... we filmed it ironically, at = Stonewall Jackson school. That's near you, no? Isn't there a railroad = museum=20 near you. We did the period departure and arrival scenes there. =
What a=20 nightmare that was. The ENTIRE cast worked that day plus a lot of = extras. We=20 filmed the little girls departing in 1895 in the morning. Changed = everybody=20 and filmed the young ladies departing in 1914. Changed everybody again = and=20 filmed the older ladies departing in 1927. Then that night we did it = all again=20 but the arrivals. There had to be continuity on the girls and family = and=20 extras in the trains, But the extras on the platform had to change = every time.=20 A logistical nightmare.WHAT A DAY THAT WAS!

I made tons in = overtime=20 and meal penalties though. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C23D4E.39DC5680-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14085 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958dL06694; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ca12634; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g76HfPh09152 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 11:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g76HfPTF005220 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208061741.g76HfPTF005220@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Apollonia Margherita" at Aug 06, 2002 01:18:15 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO hey waittaminnit. the triangle is raleigh, durham, and chapel hill! (I was born in chapel hill, so I gotta defend my turf there) at least these days you can buy fabric online. I remember my horror trying to get costuming supplies at Piece Goods when I was a kid. The wonderfully conservative ladies working there would gasp with horror when I asked for ANY sheet lace in black. Guess I might as well have declared myself a satanist - since i wanted black cloth! .heather. > You see more sophistication in the bigger cities. Charlotte has a lot of > people who moved there for the banking industry. Greensboro has a lot of > people who have moved up in the world, from tank tops to dress shirts. I > think the Triangle (Raliegh, Durham, and Cary) have the best clothes. My > theory is that most of them are from somewhere else, having moved here a few > years ago for the job market. > > And the shotguns are, tilted rakishly to the left, cocked and ready to go. > :) > > Apollonia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AlbertCat@aol.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states > > > Now why exclude Greensboro and Charlotte? And is the shot gun worn rakishly > tilted to the left, or straight on? Durham and the Research Triangle are the > most "Progressive". A phenomenon that I'm sure is also true of Europe, is > that when you leave the city limits, the close change REAL fast to rural > incarnations. > I don't mean to sound prejudice but Black people down here seem to have the > most fun with their clothes. I've the BEST outfits! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14090 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958kL06721; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ja12699; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77DqJh18592 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:52:19 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:52:19 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > Ooooh....good one. My favorite parts are probably the research, > planning and the initial stages (where I'm choosing among fabrics and > buttons and trims in my fabric stash).... I agree, the planning is the best! this is why I love commisiioning my costumes, I get all the fun and excitement choosing it but don't have to actually make them. hehe. > c. stuff. And I kinda enjoy hand-rolled hems on veils and such. rrrreally? I hate it, I am sooo bad at rolling hems! *L* I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > My least-favorite sewing would have to be the really boring utilitarian > cr@p like endless hems, or hand-sewing a bodice lining to a curved > armhole. I really like the later, there is something so satisfying about sewing in teh lining. :-) I don't know why. I hate buttons. BUTTONS! BAH! The are right behind the horror of horrors called buttonholes, I even can't stand machining them. It took me a whole day to do the buttonholes on ben's waistcoat. And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. I agree! Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14094 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958nL06734; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958la12721; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77Dsfh19413 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807135440.88479.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:54:40 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D5122F4.637A89CF@in-tch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:54:40 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Sue Clemenger wrote: > You guys in the UK can actually *get* real whalebone? I think it's a > forbidden import here in the US... No dear, no no, it is forbidden everywhere I have ever lived too. I think somehow it must have been a misunderstanding. Try to import whalebone here and whooops, off you go into Her Majesty's locked up care. *L* or so. if I wanted to do a corset or pair of > bodies with whalebone, I'd have to use the fake stuff (I hear there are > some reasonable plastic substitutes, but I haven't pursued them). yes, wissner in germany. http://www.wissner.de > it's just as much fun. I'm having a hell of a time finding any useful > wools, though.....*sigh*..... It seems a similar problem in most places, I guess we arejust plain lucky here in England and all the re-enactors suppliers and markets help. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14098 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7958qL06751; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958oa12747; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77DtTh19684 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL0QPS13NK0047GE@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:55:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL0QPKZ24K003P5Z@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:55:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:37 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:27 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.73) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:20 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-reply-to: <200208051023.g75ANJF11171@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3D684840EF5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:50:19 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO > Also, in England you are _NOT_ allowed to come in costume to a > re-enactment event, only invited and participating re-enactment > groups and societies. All vistitors must be dressed mundanely. Not all of them, Nicole. Several of the 15th century ones I do, the public can come in dressed however they want... some do in costume. Some events seem to attract more costumed public than others. It's only organizations like stuck up old English Heretics who don't let non-participants in if they're in costume.... Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14102 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79590L06788; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ua12815; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77EMhh00339 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:22:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807142238.52648.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:22:38 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807130435.19384.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:22:38 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > Quote for costumes? Now that's a new one, so you vary the fee according to what > you wear? Interesting concept, I guess that's why we always just struggle > around the insurance-payment mark, we only do what looks like fun and some of > the fun things are not paid at all but fun-fun. *L* To be honest I don't know how the fee scale is worked out. I know some events are done more for love and for sponsers who are not so flush with cash. But for people like the big charities, if they want us to do high Elizabethan then the group cannot afford to stump up the cash, so that leaves the sponsor. Unfortunately none have yet decided to go for it. Most of what we do is demonstrations for the public, which involves alot of answering questions. The hardest is the living history for school children where you have a group of 15 or so and you have to talk to them for 20 minutes. The trouble is we have ten groups a day. That kind of event costs alot, but then it really just gets passed onto the schools, plus a bit. > > Every so often I fancy doing early Georgian, just for the embroidery. > > However the need for a wig > > usually puts me off. > > Why? It's not a problem at all to wear a wig. A good wig feels just like a hat > and no worse. It really isn't bad. *S* I'll take your word for it! ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14107 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79599L06824; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79595a12913; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77F2Kh18724 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807150141.96206.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:01:41 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D74E213E84@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 16:01:41 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Tom and I have a *huge* tent (12 ft by 22ft) and haven't begun to > furnish it properly yet - so there' lotsd of space and just the two of > us. > > We'll have our little stove too and tea and cofffee (instant) supplies > (though not enough suitable cups, so bring your own) so we could > host it if you like. Uhm, I already went shopping and notified my members. I think you lag a little behind my dear. :-) We have an open shelter which is furnished as a tavern, with tables and benches and stools and chairs, bottles and tankards and mugs and glasses, all authentic for the period. well, ours anyway, hehe. 'come and meet at the sign of the bushel and tankard'. *G* If you rather we meet at yours we can do that too of course. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:19:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14108 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:19:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7959DL06839; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79598a12933; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web14502.mail.yahoo.com (web14502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77FALh22797 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807150743.96188.qmail@web14502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.187.14.127] by web14502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:07:43 PDT From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D63CBE6FDA@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO I confess...I'm a filker too. costumer, herald, and filker, no wonder my friends *twitch*! But, I do not sing in the filkish key (which is jokingly referred to as "off"), so I'm at least safe from boots and other thrown objects when I stay up late and sing at events. Angharad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:20:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14119 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:20:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79596L06810; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79592a12887; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g77Eq3h13629 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 08:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020807145203.44835.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 15:52:03 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kirby Hall - History in Action To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D7131A5D18@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:52:03 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > Teddy > (still trying to finish new yellow and green parti-coloured hose and a > red houpellande for Kirby - and to find time to make something with > a red "H" on it so other h-costumers will be able to spot it!) I was thinking about the latter too, but A) Ijust couldn't for he life of me think of any authentic excuse for an H on my bosom and B) there is no one else in as silly a head dress as my fontange! *LOL* Nicole - going to look out for yellow-green-red-medieval with a possible H ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14123 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:20:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795A1L07019; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7959wa13333; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GdIh14014 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:39:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08992 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:51 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020807092518.010a9b90@pop.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:40:51 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > ...based on the results of the time my mother planted TWELVE zucchini > plants for a family of five. Makes sense to me. If I plant 12 of something, odds are that one might survive. I wouldn't mind some zucchini. I make some killer zucchini bread. This is my year to kill tomatoes, though. (Last year was my year to kill basil.) Only the sage and thyme survive, as they are desert plants and hard even for me to kill. --Robin, whose efforts are better spent sewing, and it's cooler inside anyway _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14127 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7959uL07001; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7959sa13297; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd2mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (h24-71-223-10.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77GPEh05493 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:25:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pd5mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.168]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00GJPEXWI1@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml6so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml6so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.150]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H0H00DAQEXWNM@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from supers.vc.shawcable.net (h24-68-23-36.vc.shawcable.net [24.68.23.36]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H0H0065EEXV69@l-daemon> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) From: "P. A. Stonnell" Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-reply-to: <20020807082437.64760.qmail@web40011.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: hlisobel@shawmail To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <3.0.5.32.20020807092154.00860530@shawmail> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20020807075637.3294.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:21:54 -0700 Status: RO At 09:24 AM 07/08/02 +0100, Rachel wrote: --- N Kipar wrote: > >> Lovely, that sounds yummy. I like blackwork, such a shame it isn't used in the >> period I do anymore. > >It's one of my favourite types of embroidery, so stylish. The main problem with it is having to >carry the patterns round in your head as trying to copy directly from a book never looks right. > Why not make an exampler to carry in your workbasket? Unlike to-days "samplers", an exampler was just a length of cloth with different patterns worked on it in no particalar order. Some times just enough of a pattern was worked to enable the needleworker to be able to copy it at a latter date. Roll it up and put it in with your threads. Peggy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14131 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795AWL07117; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795ASa13608; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g78HrkK27342 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 1814 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 18:15:42 -0000 Received: from 66-81-48-187-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.48.187) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 18:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3D52ADD5.99E3E09@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:43:49 -0700 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > Large Snip > This has never failed me, and I've never had to do any math except count > my marks -- 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. > > --Robin > No Robin, that is the way I do pleats as well, and I think that is how they were done in period. You don't find the math way of doing pleats until you get to the 1950's. That lovely "There-is-only-one-way-to-do-everything" period. Forget the lawyers shoot the home Ed teachers. I spend more time retraining people to think for themselves, not just do what they have been taught. Sorry sore point with me. Stephen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14135 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795A8L07042; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795A7a13405; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77H8GS01011 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-108.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.108]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g77H8Av374496 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:08:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c23e35$074e5c80$6c2daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Filking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:08:19 -0700 Status: RO Can you kind folks define "filking' for those of us on list who are guessing as to it's meaning? I can't stand it anymore, I need to know. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "And thus I clothe my naked villany With odd old ends stoln' forth of holy writ, And seem a saint when most I play the devil" Richard III, I, iii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forehead cloths in the 17th Century > Helen wrote: > > >Are you going to play "Parson's Farewell"? It's mine and my eldest > >daughter's fave Playford tune and it cheered up our awful rainy Sunday last > >KH. Do you ever do "Cuckolds All in a Row"? > > Both tunes are in our repertoire, but I don't think either is in the programmes for this weekend. If you come along we'll have to see what we can do! > > > > Kate Bunting > Library, University of Derby > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14139 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795ACL07056; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795A9a13430; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77H8JS01033 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cUID-0005tM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:08:17 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:08:17 -0400 Status: RO > > I completely agree with you. Personally speaking I couldn't use them either, > > but the Elizabethans > > did. > > Yes... but taht does mean tyhat we have changed and evolved in this respect (if > in others? Not too sure..) and that we don't have to use it. I have no problems > using artificial whalebone, this being the ONLY man-made non period > fibre/material that I don't mind being used, just because we have understood > now hopefully, that slaughtering whales is not a good thing. Couldn't agree more, but there is apparently a market for used whalebone. Not too many weeks ago it was brought to my attention that someone was offering several lengths of the real stuff on ebay, probably salvaged from a 19th century corset (they were curved in such a way that suggested a mid-to-late 19th century corset). So it is possible to get "antique" whalebone, much as it's possible to still find antique ivory (elephant and walrus) on the market. For some people that would be enough of an excuse to use it in a costume and for others it would still be unconscionable. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14144 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795AFL07069; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795ACa13456; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f93.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.93]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HD0S03734 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 10:12:54 -0700 Received: from 66.136.212.100 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:12:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.136.212.100] From: "Mary Temple" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2002 17:12:54.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB627360:01C23E35] Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:12:54 +0000 Status: RO I like the absolute beginning - where I'm looking at the fabric and imagining everything I could do with it. The next step - the point after the decision on WHAT to do- where I'm figuring out HOW to do it and in what order - that's fun too. The actual construction part is rather boring for me. The fittings -those are fun because I can see it coming together. And the end result - the little thrill of "I made this! I like the way it turned out!" that's really nice. (I REALLY need to get pics of my husband in his Japanese - that's one I'm really happy with - the phrase "tickled pink" comes to mind.) Mary/Katerine >I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) >what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the >costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so >late. >I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:21:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14145 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795AIL07077; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795AEa13479; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:10:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g77HROS11928 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:27:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17cUah-0001zj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:27:23 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:27:23 -0400 Status: RO > I was just wondering (while stitching the last bits on the blasted redcoat) > what people like best in making costumes. I actually don't like making the > costumes themselves, I can't even stand it, that's why I always start so late. > I don't even particularly like sewing. *laughs* Hahahahaha! That's pretty much the same way I feel. Well, actually, I do enjoy sewing. I just have a love-hate relationship with it, because by nature I'm rather short on patience and attention, but I'm also stubborn as all get-out and I hate having unfinished projects lying around, and I tend to be rather obsessive. So I bounce back and forth between being so passionately consumed by the process of costuming to the point of forgetting to eat, shower, answer the call of nature, etc. and then spending a fair amount of time screaming and yelling and cursing like a sailor at a heap of indiferent fabric. And people always are quick to insist that I should do this for a living... Let me just say to anyone out there reading this who makes costumes for a living that I have nothing but admiration for you. :) > What does everone else like best/worst in making costumes? Oh, topping my list of things that are like pulling teeth would have to be pleating skirts. I *hate* pleating skirts. I love cartridge pleating because it's a no-brainer, but any kind of pleat that requires me to accuritely calculate the ratio of fabric per pleat per inches in the waist measurement makes me insane! Second on that list would have to be collars... I'm currently working on a doublet bodice that has a slightly different style of open collar than normal and I'm stuck at the point right now where I'm having to get creative with adjusting the side seams to make it open correctly. :P On the list of things that I love to do would have to be corsets. I can whip out a corset in under an hour (not factoring in handsewing the binding which can take me a good 2 hours or so after that) if it's using metal or plastic boning. It takes a bit longer for reeds, but I'm also not handsewing my boning channels. Admittedly, I'm curious to find out if it would be as horrible as I've been imaginging it to handsew an entire corset. I suppose I'll find out soon enough as I won't be able to take my sewing machine with me when I go to University next month... I like making hats, too, but I'm not spectacular at it yet. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:26:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14158 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795H2L07580; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795H1a16149; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795Gea16010 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23417 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:18:20 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:18:20 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:34:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14187 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795P2L07865; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:25:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795P0a18148; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:25:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795OAa17930 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA23465 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:25:50 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states In-Reply-To: <200208061741.g76HfPTF005220@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:25:50 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > at least these days you can buy fabric online. I remember my horror > trying to get costuming supplies at Piece Goods when I was a kid. > The wonderfully conservative ladies working there would gasp with > horror when I asked for ANY sheet lace in black. Guess I might as > well have declared myself a satanist - since i wanted black cloth! Especially at Piece Goods. As I recall, that chain had bags printed with crosses and Bible verses on them. (That was in the early 1980s, in Virginia.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:39:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14196 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:39:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795U3L08094; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:30:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795U1a19606; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795Tfa19476 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.f7.1f773ff4 (3964) for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1159 - 13 msgs Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:29:30 EDT Status: RO --part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:11:45 AM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > bikkies Please explain what this is? Thanks, Kelly m311@aol.com --part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/2002 12:11:45 AM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes:


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m311@aol.com --part1_f7.1f773ff4.2a84ad3a_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14211 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:40:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795FsL07533; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795C6a14351; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7958ia12692 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:08:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id AF1C120019A; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:08:24 -0400 Status: RO It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. Ball Gown #1: 1950s Modes Royal gown. Very full bouffant gown. This gown is being made by a NYC designer and is peach and gold with lots of tulle. Pattern can be seen at http://www.myfashionvault.com/modesroyale.htm . It is the last pattern and is red. Ball Gown #2: >From a 1920 handkerchief hem gown, floor length. The fabric is burgundy silk. This pattern can be seen at http://www.silkpoppy.com/patternframe.htm pattern #Mc-5941. And for those who have been following the making of this dress... I have almost finished. I am down to finishing the seams and hemming. YIPPEE!!! Amazing what you can do with a slipped disk in your neck! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 01:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14241 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:52:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g795h1L08556; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795h0a22942; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:43:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from comet.pacifier.com (new-comet.pacifier.com [216.65.150.155]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g795gaa22778 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:42:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grendal2 (ip83.125-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com [207.173.125.83]) by comet.pacifier.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g795gWo01967 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: kat@grendal.rain.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? Message-ID: <3D52F640.14541.6643E38@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 22:52:48 -0700 Status: RO > > c. stuff. And I kinda enjoy hand-rolled hems on veils and such. > > rrrreally? I hate it, I am sooo bad at rolling hems! *L* I really > think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with robin to > do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, SOMEone to > actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making the > accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* I think that how difficult rolled hems is depends on your method. I fold the fabric down a tiny amount and take stitches such that when I pull the thread after an inch or so the fabric rolls itself. It goes fairly quickly. (Which is why I was able to finish my posh frock with its 200+" of rolled hem in a reasonably short period of time.) > And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. Eeeyew! I try to find some way out of them. (My most recent "posh frock" had hook and eyes. My excuse is that the tightness of the bodice would not hold well with a zipper and the light weight of the skirt would be too little for the zipper. So I went with tape for the upper part and individuals for the lower part so that I didn't have the weight even of the H&E tape.) Kat Russell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:11:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17582 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:11:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79621L09201; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:02:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79620a27842; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79614a27568 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.150]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g79613v218920 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c23f6a$2b409050$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:01:13 -0700 Status: RO Penny, For the twenties style, put your hair in a nice neat but not too tight bun at the nape of your neck. Then get a tiara or other headband type decoration that will sit just along the hairline. You'll be the belle of the ball and perfectly period. If the description isn't ringing bells, I may be able to find a graphic of what I'm describing. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "If we shadows have offended, think but this, and all is mended, That you have but slumbered here, while these visions did appear." A Midsummer Night's Dream; V, ii - W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > > Ball Gown #1: > 1950s Modes Royal gown. Very full bouffant gown. This gown is being made > by a NYC designer and is peach and gold with lots of tulle. Pattern can be > seen at http://www.myfashionvault.com/modesroyale.htm . It is the last > pattern and is red. > > Ball Gown #2: > >From a 1920 handkerchief hem gown, floor length. The fabric is burgundy > silk. This pattern can be seen at http://www.silkpoppy.com/patternframe.htm > pattern #Mc-5941. And for those who have been following the making of this > dress... I have almost finished. I am down to finishing the seams and > hemming. YIPPEE!!! Amazing what you can do with a slipped disk in your > neck! > > Penny Ladnier > Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom > http://www.costumegallery.com > http://www.costumeclassroom.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18804 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79661L09386; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:06:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79660a29003; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7965Xa28870 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.150]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7965Wv100276 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:05:32 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c23f6a$cbb33d80$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:05:42 -0700 Status: RO I forgot, zippers bite the worst! In theater zippers need to be replaced a LOT and I HATE them! Tedious, ugly, unrewarding work, their nasty little teeth grinning up at you evilly.. okay, maybe not evil, but they are really yucko. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "What fates impose, that men must needs abide; It boots not to resist both wind and tide." King Henry VI, Part III, IV, iii - W. Shakespeare > And zippers (yucko!) on modern stuff. > > I agree! > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19426 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79681L09476; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79680a29454; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7967ea29367 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:07:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from angelap3a8d978 (adsl-64-175-45-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [64.175.45.150]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g7967dv393018 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <006601c23f6b$17a64b60$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> From: "Cabbage Rose" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:07:50 -0700 Status: RO > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > --Robin > Why, Penny of course! ( I'm in for the beadwork portion!) angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Do you not know I am a woman?. When I think, I must speak." As You Like It; III, ii - W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 02:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28248 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g796R1L10024; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g796R0a04414; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.compassnet.com.au ([203.26.180.18]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g796Pxa04121 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:26:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from glendaii ([203.26.180.167]) by mail.compassnet.com.au (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id g796Ow029308 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:24:58 +1000 Message-ID: <02ae01c23f6d$973ae640$eaf4fea9@glendaii> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1159 - 13 msgs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:25:41 +1000 Status: RO > > bikkies > > Please explain what this is? > Thanks, > Kelly short for biscuits (aka in the US as cookies). Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:15:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24093 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79861L13826; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:06:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79860a29231; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:06:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7985Ua29047 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7985Tw09354 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <20020808142721.TREC310.out006.verizon.net@out006> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:05:29 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO Ron wrote: >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:24:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04685 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798F1L14104; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798F0a01443; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40007.mail.yahoo.com (web40007.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.25]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g798Eda01307 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020809081433.676.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:14:33 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:14:33 +0100 (BST) Status: RO For me the most enjoyable part is the actual stitching. I find hand sewing and embroidery extremely relaxing. Consequently I usually have two or three pieces on the go at anyone time, at the moment its four with a doublet, petticoat, blackwork long cushion and a "modern" needlecase. And then I am planning two new shifts for myself for next year. The part I hate the most is drafting the patterns. It always seems to take forever and you go round and round and round, and until you make it up you are never quite sure if it has worked. Perhaps it's the scientist in me, but I like to get things right from the start, and pattern drafting is not what you would call an exact science. I enjoy the research, not so much for clothing but for the embroidery. Mainly becuase it is an excuse to drool over wonderful embroideries and say one day I'll do that. I guess it is the dream that I like the most. Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06792 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798I2L14205; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798I1a02209; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gw.retro.com (gw.retro.com [205.179.181.194]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798H8a02005 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from lee@localhost) by gw.retro.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id BAA26714 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:37:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Lee Thompson-Herbert Message-Id: <200208090837.BAA26714@gw.retro.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO Ingrid wrote: > Ron wrote: > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. Baleen whales are protected species here. All of them. Crows and other migratory birds also fall under those same laws (believe me, they're spelled out in tedious length in the actual text). So even though the damn ravens live outside my house and love to sit on the light post and make a racket, I can't collect their feathers. At least not if I'm going to let anyone else see 'em. Even turkey vultures are classed as migratory birds here, even though all they do is move from one end of the state to the other. Lee M.Thompson-Herbert lee@retro.com KoX 1995, SP4 Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06836 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798X3L14630; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798X0a05564; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798Wca05493 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:32:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivweb04la (unverified [10.1.200.106]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:28:12 -0700 thread-index: AcI/frNdr/PNe74jSUKK7F5mrTCi7Q== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) Message-ID: <003201c23f7e$b35d2390$6ac8010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:28:12 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And of course, the broadsides that the pedlers sold around the countryside and in villages were mostly just lyrics, not the music. People had a knowledge of many tunes in their heads - they would just use the one most aposite for the lyrics (or the songsheet would suggest a tune). Hence the glorified mish-mash that english folksong became, with different tunes and stories being associated in different ways across the country. Freyalyn _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Cynthia J Ley > Sent: 8/9/2002 3:50:51 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved) > > A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical. > > Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music > books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became > easier to swipe! > > Thanks Robin! :-) > > > Arlys > [good stuff snipped] > > Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts, > religious material, probably ads for all I know. > > --Robin > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And of course, the broadsides that the pedlers sold around the countryside and in villages were mostly just lyrics, not the music. People had a knowledge of many tunes in their heads - they would just use the one most aposite for the lyrics (or the songsheet would suggest a tune). Hence the glorified mish-mash that english folksong became, with different tunes and stories being associated in different ways across the country.

Freyalyn


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Cynthia J Ley
> Sent: 8/9/2002 3:50:51 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Cc: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Filkers on h-costume?? (WAS: How I got involved)
>
> A lot of broadsides were in fact political, and often satirical.
>
> Music printing, btw, got started around 1490 or so. As more printed music
> books became available to the ravenous public, the more music became
> easier to swipe!
>
> Thanks Robin! :-)
>
>
> Arlys
> [good stuff snipped]
>
> Other material was printed on broadsides, too -- political tracts,
> religious material, probably ads for all I know.
>
> --Robin
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C23F44.06FE4B90-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 04:46:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06843 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 04:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798b1L14772; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798b0a06528; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com [66.28.189.73]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798ada06448 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from arweb02la (unverified [10.1.201.102]) by ivsmtp02la.mail2world.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.6) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:32:13 -0700 thread-index: AcI/f0LFj8Ku3PORTPK52RW3+jFF8w== Thread-Topic: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset From: "freyalyn" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset Message-ID: <000201c23f7f$42cd1c10$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 01:32:13 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, well-fed people. _______________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE iVillage newsletters . >From health and pregnancy to shopping and relationships, iVillage has the scoop on what matters most to you. <-----Original Message-----> > > From: Karen Heim > Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimedit was way too short > to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about it based on whether it would > fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit > mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed,too. So it might be > way too short for most of you, but not me. > > Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, becausethey're the only > people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably) > > Marna Jean wrote: > > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a > new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessinglate > 19th century. > > MJ > > ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, well-fed people.


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<-----Original Message----->
>
> From: Karen Heim
> Sent: 8/9/2002 6:24:39 AM
> To: h-costume@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset
>
> I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster claimedit was way too short
> to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no one makeassumptions about it based on whether it would
> fit them. I am *extremely*short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would have fit
> mealmost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean completely closed,too. So it might be
> way too short for most of you, but not me.
>
> Karen (who buys all her gloves at estate sales after old women pass on, becausethey're the only
> people with gloves small enough to fit me reasonably)
>
> Marna Jean wrote:
>
> I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a
> new plate of fancydress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessinglate
> 19th century.
>
> MJ
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C23F44.966FCAB0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 05:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06898 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g798u1L15324; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798u1a10813; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt3.ihug.co.nz (grunt3.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g798tNa10597 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 02:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p102-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.192.102] by grunt3.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17d5YE-0005n0-00; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:55:20 +1200 Message-ID: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:55:08 +1200 Status: RO > Ron wrote: > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. I'm sorry I just don't follow your logic. Why do you think it's such a bad thing? There are rules in place to protect animals for extinction for frivolous human reasons- ie we do not need to kill these species to survive. It is all too easy to say something died of natural causes when in fact it hasn't. The testing used to prove it one way or the other is too costly to implement in every case. How many species of whale *aren't* protected? Very few. http://www.cites.org/index.html I'm too tired, and got lost, but I think this site will explain what's actually protected and what's not. And there has been plenty of examples especially in whales of parts of endangered species being sold as non-protected species. One of my lecturers was part of a team that proved that endangered whale meat was being sold as minke. ooh, just found his work actually... http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=cache:Ms3RnlQGSjMC:www.sbs.auckland.ac.nz/p eople/staff/baker_scott/proc_roy_soc_267_2000/abstract.htm+%22baleen+whale%2 2+protected&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 http://www.dhushara.com/book/diversit/extra/whale.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/earth/stories/s587772.htm Personally I'd not like to support that by buying whalebone. michaela _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 07:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07563 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:10:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79B11L19632; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B10a09340; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B0Pa09201 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0K007UZP8OLY@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-reply-to: <3D533507.9080004@accessus.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809024822.00c61ba0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <000b01c23f1f$93e9bbe0$6ea0f7c6@marnadav> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:40:08 -0700 Status: RO >I have no ideas about what or when it might be, but the original poster >claimed it was way too short to be a corset. I would ask, please, that no >one make assumptions about it based on whether it would fit them. I am >*extremely* short-waisted, and until I was 28, that item of clothing would >have fit me almost perfectly, all the way down to my waist - and I mean >completely closed, too. So it might be way too short for most of you, but >not me. I'm the one who said it was to 'short' to be a corset, because it stopped at the waist, not that it was too 'short-waisted' to be a corset. I made no assumptions based on the size (didn't even look at the size), only on the shape and proportions. You say it would have fit you all the way down to your waist, completely closed, but that only proves it is/was your size, not that it is a corset. Corsets don't stop at the waist, but continue a little way beyond it, flaring out over the hips. I seem to recall that corsets of the English Civil War period, a very short-waisted period, do a little flaring at the bottom. (Where is my copy of Corsets and Crinolines when I need it?) The English Regency is the shortest-waisted period ever, but any Regency corset I ever saw a picture of flared out at the bottom. 1950s waist cinchers, maybe 8 inches top to bottom, flare out above and below their waists. Bodices, even boned ones, often stop at the waist, so I called this garment a bodice of some kind. I own a boned European folk-costume bodice, early-mid 20th century, which is much the same shape as this garment. While it's a little too short-waisted for me (too small too), it is a bodice because it stops at the original owner's waist and was originally worn as outer-wear. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 07:10:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07568 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79B1LL19651; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B1Ka09440; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B0Qa09207 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0K007UZP8OLY@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 04:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: smaller people (was Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-reply-to: <000201c23f7f$42cd1c10$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809034708.00c60680@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 03:55:10 -0700 Status: RO >This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller >people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and >other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern, >well-fed people. That's one reason larger modern people don't look like the photos of people 100 years ago. We have to scale up the garments, and sometimes they don't look the same after that. I own an 1898 bodice I got my daughters to pose in so I could see how it looked on a real body. At the time they were like 3 and 7. The sleeves were the right length for the 7-year-old, and the waist was the right size for the 3-year-old. An on-going project of mine is to scale it up so I will have one 'just like it' to wear. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 07:14:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07585 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:14:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79B51L19768; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B50a10441; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79B48a10215 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:04:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CB810F140 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E3CF610F21C for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010801c23f93$45210710$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:55:27 -0400 Status: RO Well, that's the beauty of it, Robin. We make one costume for each of us!! And I'll volunteer to do the actual sewing, so I get to go first. ;-) And who's going to supply the materials? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > > On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, [iso-8859-1] N Kipar wrote: > > > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:11:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00732 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:11:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CH1L22712; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CH1a28906; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CGAa28658 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79C20929603 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B3EC.B71B1F5B@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? References: <006601c23f6b$17a64b60$962daf40@angelap3a8d978> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:22:04 -0600 Status: RO Or Teddy, maybe....I have this odd feeling that he could make *anything* look good..... --Sue Cabbage Rose wrote: > > > I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with > > > robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > > SOMEone to actually make the garment (waits for that one) me making > > > the accessories, you rolling hems and making the embellishments. *G* > > > > OK, I'm in! But who gets to wear it? ;-) > > > > --Robin > > > > Why, Penny of course! ( I'm in for the beadwork portion!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:13:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00802 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CF4L22646; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CF1a28296; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CELa28118 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79C0A929265 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:19:19 -0600 Status: RO I *could* suggest cutting it, but I think you'd hurt me! So I won't.... Seriously, though....I have no idea about the hairstyles, the 20th c. not being my "historical" period for costume. The two designs look really fun, though (especially the poofy one!), and you ought to look wonderful in both, with your coloring and build! --Sue, in cold, drizzly Montana, where hot tea is a Good Thing (tm) this morning ;-) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01056 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:15:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CI3L22796; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CI3a29344; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:18:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CHda29180 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79C3T929855 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B445.49715212@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume digest, Vol 1 #1159 - 13 msgs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:23:33 -0600 Status: RO Biscuits. "Cookies" to us Americans. --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01182 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ca2L23557; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:36:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ca1a04306; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:36:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.81]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CZ3a04030 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (bchamber@localhost) by bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g79CYwm20279 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:34:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chamberlain X-Sender: bchamber@bookworm To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset In-Reply-To: <000201c23f7f$42cd1c10$0cc9a8c0@mail2world.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: Chamberlain List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, freyalyn wrote: > This brings up the point that it's very easy to forget how much smaller > people can be in the past. Some of the original costumes in the V&A and > other collections almost look children sized compared to us modern,wee >fed people. Actually, most of the current research I have seen contradicts this old theory/myth. Depending upon the populations and regions you look at people are about 1-3 inches taller than our ancestors from the 17th century or even earlier. The most significant change, in the research I have read, occured as families moved to the US (colonies, etc.). Food was very plentiful and with the better nutrition the first generation grew larger than their parents, after that there was little change. People tend to save special clothes, often from their youth or early marriage. They are put away and the owner outgrows them so they are never "worn out". The specially "preserved" clothes represent neither a cross section of sizes or styles. One of the best explanations of this I know of is on the Plimoth Plantation website. It also gives a wonderful explanation of life expectancy and how it is often misinterpret. http://www.plimoth.org/Library/4-2_40.htm And before some one counters with short beds and short doorways... Doorways were low to keep heat in a room. Fuel was expensive even when it was your own labor chopping your own wood. Upper respiratory diseases were very common, many people slept in an upright or partially upright position to help clear their lungs (go ask any person with lung disease). Beth - short by virtue of genes, despite more than adequate nutrition _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:20:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01457 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79CS2L23174; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CS1a02035; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79CRta02013 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:27:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a252.in-tch.com [66.62.107.52]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g79CDi901782 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:13:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D53B6AC.F2D96633@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Fairesin the U.S. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 06:33:48 -0600 Status: RO Oh my lord, yes, they're enforced, but I'd rather imagine more so with the more endangered species (such as eagles) rather than the less-so (ravens). You can get in fairly serious trouble for having animal parts like eagle feathers if you're not allowed by law to have them (not Native American, etc.). And that's even if you find the critter killed alongside the highway, or find the feather. The animals really do need that much protecting. And whales? Well, uhm, I know that there are a few countries that feel differently about, uhm, killing and harvesting whales--IIRC, Norway is one of them?, but most folks these days have agreed that, overall, it's not such a good thing. Hence the laws and international agreements. Certain native coastal peoples here in the NW United States are allowed to hunt a few, because the experience is so important a part of their heritage and culture, but really, most of us have enough other food sources, or decent substitutes for baleen that we don't need to sacrifice something that rare! --Sue's 2 ecological pence worth.... Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > > Ingrid wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > > > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > > > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > > > > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > > > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > > > > Baleen whales are protected species here. All of them. > > Ah, ok - not so here in Norway. > > > Crows and other migratory birds also fall under those same laws (believe > > me, they're spelled out in tedious length in the actual text). So even > > though the damn ravens live outside my house and love to sit on the light > > post and make a racket, I can't collect their feathers. At least not if > > I'm going to let anyone else see 'em. > > Really? The mind boggels! :) But I have to wonder, are those laws > acutally enforced? I'm aware of the possible problems with legitimacy for > poachers and such, but doesn't plain old common sense enter into it > anywhere? > > Ingrid > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01460 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79C71L22318; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79C70a26162; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:07:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79C6Ga25982 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 06:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g79C6D210788 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:06:13 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was In-Reply-To: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:06:13 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, michaela wrote: > > Ron wrote: > > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > > I'm sorry I just don't follow your logic. > > Why do you think it's such a bad thing? There are rules in place to protect > animals for extinction for frivolous human reasons- ie we do not need to > kill these species to survive. Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm ALL in favour of the protection of endangered species. And I don't see the point of whaling either, since it's perfectly possible to get by without it. However, I think that maybe our opinions differ a bit because of cultural differences - when I grew up, whale beef was routinely served for dinner in my kindergarten, for example. (I never liked it. ;) ) As I said above I don't advocate whaling, but I do honestly feel that as long as there are quotas for whaling minke that will be filled at any rate, that it is worse to throw the baleen away than to make use of it. Not using the baleen from these whales will not stop the whaling. I would never, ever buy whalebone from an uncertain source (and have never bought or used whalebone at all, just for the record - nor have I heard of new whalebone being sold). But if I find a beached baleen whale or I know for a fact that the baleen in question comes from a minke that has been legally caught, I might consider using the whalebone. Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01463 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Bn2L21542; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Bn1a21630; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:49:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from studorg.hiof.no (IDENT:root@studorg.hiof.no [158.36.33.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79BmDa21489 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 05:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by studorg.hiof.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g79BmBN10646 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:48:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. In-Reply-To: <200208090837.BAA26714@gw.retro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:48:11 +0200 (CEST) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > Ingrid wrote: > > Ron wrote: > > >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the > > >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, > > >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > > > > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > > Baleen whales are protected species here. All of them. Ah, ok - not so here in Norway. > Crows and other migratory birds also fall under those same laws (believe > me, they're spelled out in tedious length in the actual text). So even > though the damn ravens live outside my house and love to sit on the light > post and make a racket, I can't collect their feathers. At least not if > I'm going to let anyone else see 'em. Really? The mind boggels! :) But I have to wonder, are those laws acutally enforced? I'm aware of the possible problems with legitimacy for poachers and such, but doesn't plain old common sense enter into it anywhere? Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01977 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79DY2L26797; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79DY0a21073; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g79DXna21024 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCvtnps3qMr40Zv7hTFrZCgB2ZSY1BosNGA=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9SAKWGU; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:33:33 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! Message-ID: <20020809.083302.-993319.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-7,10-13 From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:33:02 -0500 Status: RO Here I go, wading in to an area where I have limited expertise..... For the 1920's number, I'd take a cue from the figure on the right in the illustration and do a low bun/roll at the nape of the neck and throw in a few marcel style waves on the front of the head. A hair ornament of some sort would be nice as well, either a jeweled band or a beaded ornament. For the 1950's number I'd go with a French Twist set a bit high on the back of your head. '50's formal wear was a very up-do sort of affair- y'all are in Virginia, I'm sure you know about up-do's! And that is probably far more than my tuppence worth. Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02041 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Dl1L27469; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Dl0a24971; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:47:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Dkga24860 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25117 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:48:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <010801c23f93$45210710$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:48:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > Well, that's the beauty of it, Robin. We make one costume for each of > us!! > > And I'll volunteer to do the actual sewing, so I get to go first. ;-) > And who's going to supply the materials? I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 09:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02087 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:58:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79E04L28461; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79E01a29408; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79DxKa29215 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:59:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA38490 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! In-Reply-To: <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Penny, I recently came across an intriguing book on coiffures, written in the 30s. It talked about the different type of hair chignons worn in the 20s, styles, and how to make them. Some of the illustrations were fabulous! I /think/ the title was "The Art and Craft of Hairdressing". It might have some interesting info. Drea On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I *could* suggest cutting it, but I think you'd hurt me! So I > won't.... > Seriously, though....I have no idea about the hairstyles, the 20th c. > not being my "historical" period for costume. The two designs look > really fun, though (especially the poofy one!), and you ought to look > wonderful in both, with your coloring and build! > --Sue, in cold, drizzly Montana, where hot tea is a Good Thing (tm) this > morning ;-) > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:20:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02179 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79EM2L29973; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EM1a08296; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79ELsa08235 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.133.26]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020809142147.HCAB10030.out004.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:21:47 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020809142009.007285ac@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: [h-cost] Re:Animal parts was: 'perfect elizabethan' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:20:09 -0400 Status: RO At 10:05 AM 8/9/02 +0200, you wrote: >Ron wrote: >>However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the >>parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, >>unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. > >Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? >Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be >illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. > >Ingrid No the U.S. does not consider the whale one species, but I am still unaware of ANY cetacean that is allowed to be killed, or parts taken with out special license and reason, such as the ones I mentioned earlier or the pod of whales that was recently killed. In some cases I suspect that this is as much political as anything else since many species of porpoise are not endangered but still protected. A coworker of mine is a retired Federal Agent, and for a while (after the stopped the original Sky Marshalls program) he was involved in enforcing these laws. He told me to be sure to have documentation if you have any legal animal parts that are on the retricted lists. Most of my ivory is in the form of antique tools and scrimshaw, but he says I could still be at risk since I can't really prove that they are original. Cheers, Ron Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:24:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02195 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79ENCL00179; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79ENBa08822; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EMpa08641 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g79EMnOC028054 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208091422.g79EMnOC028054@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] clothes in 50 states To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Robin Netherton" at Aug 09, 2002 12:25:50 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO yep. my (goth-y) friends and I got chased out of there on several occasions. Put a major dent in my sewing career for years. .heather. > > > On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Heather Meadows wrote: > > > at least these days you can buy fabric online. I remember my horror > > trying to get costuming supplies at Piece Goods when I was a kid. > > The wonderfully conservative ladies working there would gasp with > > horror when I asked for ANY sheet lace in black. Guess I might as > > well have declared myself a satanist - since i wanted black cloth! > > Especially at Piece Goods. As I recall, that chain had bags printed with > crosses and Bible verses on them. (That was in the early 1980s, in > Virginia.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02236 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:30:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79EW2L00763; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EW1a12343; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:32:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EVka12215 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:31:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default ([151.199.133.26]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with SMTP id <20020809143140.VUZT18399.out012.verizon.net@default> for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:31:40 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.20020809143002.0072631c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: vze2brpf@mail.verizon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: h-costume@indra.com From: Ron Carnegie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Whaling Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 10:30:02 -0400 Status: RO At 02:06 PM 8/9/02 +0200, you wrote: > >As I said above I don't advocate whaling, but I do honestly feel that as >long as there are quotas for whaling minke that will be filled at any >rate, that it is worse to throw the baleen away than to make use of it. >Not using the baleen from these whales will not stop the whaling. >I would never, ever buy whalebone from an uncertain source (and have >never bought or used whalebone at all, just for the record - nor have I >heard of new whalebone being sold). But if I find a beached baleen whale >or I know for a fact that the baleen in question comes from a minke that has >been legally caught, I might consider using the whalebone. > >Ingrid See we are talking cultural difference as we do not have a quota on Minke, but just the opposite we have a ban. There was just recently a small pod of whales killed but that was because of illness. Apparently some of them were sick and were beaching themselves. The other would accidently beach themselves in trying to help the ill ones. I did not follow the story that closely, but apparently after being beached and rescued already twice, when the tried to beach themselves a third time they were destroyed. I think that was done to preserve others who might try to help, but as I said I did not follow the story closely. Cheers, Ron Ron Carnegie r.carnegie@verizon.net ************************************************* "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." G.M. Trevelyan ************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 10:38:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02286 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:38:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ee3L01338; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ee0a15825; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79EdFa15478 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g79EdD84028271 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208091439.g79EdD84028271@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "Sue Clemenger" at Aug 09, 2002 06:19:19 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 07:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO for the 20's dress I would recommend putting your hair into tight spiral curls - i use a set of 1980's pin curl sticks for this, you can still get them, and they make really tight curls. then you gel those curls down, and pull the rest of the hair back into a loose bun of chignon and add adornments. the curls end up looking a lot like marcel waves, at least as close as i have gotten without paying a specialized historical stylist $75 for the pleasure ;) .heather. (you can also get the same effect with rag curls, pretty much.) check out marci's retro hair site at http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/2457/ > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 11:06:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02388 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:05:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79F82L03594; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79F81a28177; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:08:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g79F7ka27986 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:07:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"QHEuP/IhRKUiOZTU6Ir/OiBn9JU3OHQOpyorlnD2S+U="> Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G9SFWZ6K; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:07:00 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Cley@juno.com Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. Message-ID: <20020809.080724.-104109.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-14,16-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 08:03:43 +0000 Status: RO I use quadrille paper--draw the pattern on it and tape it to a 3x5 card. That way it's easy enough to carry around with the project. If you're worried about your pattern card getting wet or damaged, cover it with some clear packing tape or fabric laminator. The latter works very well on some types of papers. I haven't tried it on filmy or tissue type papers though, such as dress patterns. Arlys > Why not make an exampler to carry in your workbasket? Unlike to-days > "samplers", an exampler was > just a length of cloth with different patterns worked on it in no > particalar order. Some times > just enough of a pattern was worked to enable the needleworker to be > able to copy it at a latter date. Roll it up and put it in with your threads. > > Peggy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 12:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02761 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79GD3L09469; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GD1a02833; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host16.dnsdomain.net (host16.dnsdomain.net [66.197.224.160]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GC2a02260 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from lithiate by host16.dnsdomain.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17dCMo-0000kU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:11:58 -0400 From: "Sarah Lorraine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 156.41.168.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.dnsdomain.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32030 32030] / [32030 32030] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - host16.dnsdomain.net Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 12:11:58 -0400 Status: RO > Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? > Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. The hunting of whales is completely off limits in US waters. There are some Native American tribes who are allowed to troll their ancestral hunting waters as part of their birthright, but commercial whaling is right-out no matter the species. And it's not quite the same as all birds being off limits because a few are endangered. The whale populations native to this part of the world were almost universially hunted to the point of extinction by the turn of the century, not just one particular species. When one population dwindled to nothing, whalers would move onto the next type of whale and so on. Sarah http://www.elizabethanlady.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 12:18:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02825 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79GK2L10092; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GK0a06759; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79GJIa06329 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p214.directcon.net [209.233.107.214]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g79GJ0Mx016131; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:19:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <20020807135219.45122.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:24:22 -0700 Status: RO At 02:52 PM 08/07/2002 +0100, N Kipar wrote: *L* I really think we >should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, with robin to do the thinking >beforehand, margo to make the patterns, SOMEone to actually make the garment >(waits for that one) me making the accessories, you rolling hems and making the >embellishments. *G* > Oooh, I like this idea! Robin, be a dear and take care of those little details for me, would you? Come to think of it, Drea is doing this for me now, for a future joint offering. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 13:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03180 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79HJ5L15551; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79HJ3a09474; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:19:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79HIJa09077 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26724 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:20:00 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:20:00 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Margo Anderson wrote: > > *L* I really think we should to a 'round-robin' in making costumes, > > with robin to do the thinking beforehand, margo to make the patterns, > > SOMEone to actually make the garment > > (waits for that one) me making the accessories, you rolling hems and > > making the embellishments. *G* > > Oooh, I like this idea! Robin, be a dear and take care of those little > details for me, would you? I'm still wrapping myself around the idea of think-work for patterns, since I work without them! I fit > sew > cut instead of the other way around. So I'm liable to skip your step entirely, Margo, without meaning to! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 13:54:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03431 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:54:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Hu2L18605; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:56:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Hu1a29090; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:56:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.103]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Htra28985 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:55:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ANGELA (adsl-63-202-198-62.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.198.62]) by pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id g79Htqv261892 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c23fce$45825f20$0c0010ac@ANGELA> From: "Angela F. Lazear- Cabbage Rose" To: References: <200208091439.g79EdD84028271@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:57:47 -0700 Status: RO Yes yes yes, that's the look! I think there are some good pics of women with longer hair all styled up in the "Great Gatsby" with Mia Farrow & Robert Redford. At least I think that's where I saw them. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Meadows" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! > for the 20's dress I would recommend putting your hair into tight spiral curls - > i use a set of 1980's pin curl sticks for this, you can still get them, and > they make really tight curls. then you gel those curls down, and pull the rest > of the hair back into a loose bun of chignon and add adornments. the curls > end up looking a lot like marcel waves, at least as close as i have gotten > without paying a specialized historical stylist $75 for the pleasure ;) > > .heather. > > (you can also get the same effect with rag curls, pretty much.) > check out marci's retro hair site at http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/2457/ > > > > > > Penny Ladnier wrote: > > > > > > It is almost time to be Cyber Cindy again! I am going to two balls, August > > > 17 & 19. I am needing help with hairstyles and your suggestions would be > > > appreciated. I have red waist length straight hair with bands. Please, > > > please come up with something... Katie (my daughter) is dying to start > > > working on my hair. So I need pictures to show her. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03517 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79I72L19638; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79I71a05216; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79I3ca03466 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from M2W078.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.78]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: <293580-220028591833886@M2W078.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 62.7.116.136 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "david.batterham@virgin.net" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 18:03:37.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[15F78B80:01C23FCF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id g79I3ca03466 Subject: [h-cost] Unsubscribing Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: david.batterham@virgin.net List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:03:38 -0400 Status: RO Another appeal to Liz to help me find how to unsubscribe David Batterham Original Message: ----------------- From: Marna Jean marnajean@shootingstarhistory.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0500 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 so I'm stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. MJ Doug and Marna Jean Davis Shooting Star Enterprises Living History & Custom Historical Clothing http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html oakley@access-one.com Alternate email- oakley@shootingstarhistory.com Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - Victorian and Old West Era Online Classes in History and Period Sewing -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:30:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03690 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:30:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79IW5L21930; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IW3a18212; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from socrates.Berkeley.EDU (socrates.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.13]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79ISWa16177 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [136.152.196.146] (as3-4-160.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.196.146]) by socrates.Berkeley.EDU (8.11.3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g79ISUj27013 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> References: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> X-mailer: Eudora Pro 5.1r Macintosh To: h-costume@indra.com From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:11:31 -0700 Status: RO > > Ron wrote: >> >However, it the United States it is illegal in most cases to own the >> >parts of any endangered species, regardless of how the creature died, >> >unless the item can be proven to exist prior to the ban. >> >> Does that mean that the US classifies "whale" as being one species? >> Sounds strange to me; by that loigc owning a part of a crow should be > > illegal as well because some types of eagle are endangered. IANAL, but ... One minor clarification on bird-parts (at least that was the case back when I was taking Avican Sciences classes at Davis in the '70s). Under US law, ownership of parts from any _native_ bird species is restricted. (Introduced species like pigeons, starlings, English sparrows, pheasants, etc. are fair game.) So, in fact, the bit about owning a part of a crow being illegal is actually technically correct, but not for the reason above. (I'm trying to head off confusion here, not picking at details.) Having unauthorized parts of endangered species carries a heavier penalty, however. On the other hand, it is possible to get permits to have restricted bird parts -- presumably if you can show a legitimate reason and if the parts are acquired in legitimate ways. (For example, a hunting permit for native species like migratory ducks and geese naturally involves permission to have parts from those birds in your possession! Similarly, people with falconry permits are authorized to possess feathers from the species their permit covers.) Whether the same "permit-to-own" option is available for antique whalebone, or whether it's not enough of a problem that anyone worries about it, I don't know. But I rather suspect that pretty much _all_ baleen whales are at least "protected species" (a lower level of danger than "endangered species") under US law, so it's not a matter of one endangered species making non-endangered ones illegal. Heather -- ***** Heather Rose Jones hrjones@socrates.berkeley.edu ***** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:30:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03695 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:30:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79IWVL21973; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IWUa18442; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:32:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IVIa17785 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from attbi.com ([12.231.194.16]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020809183113.PQPM19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:31:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> From: Rose Amberwulf User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Costumers , Costuming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:31:11 -0700 Status: RO Greetings to one and all, In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed over a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's a figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about doing it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having problems figuring out. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:39:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03738 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:39:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ig1L22802; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ig0a23401; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79IcVa21659 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0L0078VAG6AA@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Whaling In-reply-to: <2.2.32.20020809143002.0072631c@mail.verizon.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809113249.00cd0860@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:34:21 -0700 Status: RO I don't especially take a stand on whaling, but if I were against it, I would not spend my money to help any whaler make his profit. I'd rather he threw away the baleen and took a loss. > >As I said above I don't advocate whaling, but I do honestly feel that as > >long as there are quotas for whaling minke that will be filled at any > >rate, that it is worse to throw the baleen away than to make use of it. > >Not using the baleen from these whales will not stop the whaling. > >I would never, ever buy whalebone from an uncertain source (and have > >never bought or used whalebone at all, just for the record - nor have I > >heard of new whalebone being sold). But if I find a beached baleen whale > >or I know for a fact that the baleen in question comes from a minke that > has > >been legally caught, I might consider using the whalebone. > > > >Ingrid > > See we are talking cultural difference as we do not have a quota on >Minke, but just the opposite we have a ban. There was just recently a small >pod of whales killed but that was because of illness. Apparently some of >them were sick and were beaching themselves. The other would accidently >beach themselves in trying to help the ill ones. I did not follow the story >that closely, but apparently after being beached and rescued already twice, >when the tried to beach themselves a third time they were destroyed. I >think that was done to preserve others who might try to help, but as I said >I did not follow the story closely. > >Cheers, >Ron >Ron Carnegie >r.carnegie@verizon.net > ************************************************* > "The poetry of history lies in the quasi-miraculous fact that > once on this earth, on this familiar spot of ground walked > other men and women as actual as we are today, thinking > their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions but now > all gone, vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we > ourselves shall be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." > G.M. Trevelyan > ************************************************* > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:40:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03747 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ig7L22822; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ig6a23459; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ieta22825 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:40:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA40821; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costumers , Costuming Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest In-Reply-To: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ceninni talks about how to do this in his book "Il Libro dell'Arte". He makes the basic form out of two pieces of leather, wets the leather, and stuffs it full of sand until it dries. Then the hollow leather base is covered with plaster and carved. There's also a reference in a 16th c. book of secrets for paper pulp mixed up with a starchy glue-like substance and molded into the desired shape. Which would be a lot lighter than plaster. :) Sounds like a fun project! Drea On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Greetings to one and all, > > In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed > over a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's > a figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about > doing it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having > problems figuring out. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:40:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03751 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Ig9L22837; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ig9a23493; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:42:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79If8a22948 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA40821; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com cc: Costumers , Costuming Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest In-Reply-To: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ceninni talks about how to do this in his book "Il Libro dell'Arte". He makes the basic form out of two pieces of leather, wets the leather, and stuffs it full of sand until it dries. Then the hollow leather base is covered with plaster and carved. There's also a reference in a 16th c. book of secrets for paper pulp mixed up with a starchy glue-like substance and molded into the desired shape. Which would be a lot lighter than plaster. :) Sounds like a fun project! Drea On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Rose Amberwulf wrote: > Greetings to one and all, > > In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed > over a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's > a figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about > doing it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having > problems figuring out. > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Roscelin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 14:55:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03812 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Iv7L24292; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Iv6a01909; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:57:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Isva00657 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:54:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0L0073OB7JB3@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Making of a helmet crest In-reply-to: <3D540A6F.20903@attbi.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809113929.00e37860@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 11:54:30 -0700 Status: RO > In the near future I would like to make crest that will be placed over > a 14th century helmet. For those who do not what a crest is, it's a > figurehead that was placed atop of a helmet. I have thought about doing > it in paper mache, but it's the main frame of it that I am having > problems figuring out. >Any help will be greatly appreciated. If you're using papier mache', anything will do for a frame underneath the paper layers, as long as it won't rot and stink under there. You can use crumpled up newspaper taped into shape, a built-up wood armature, crumpled chicken wire, cardboard shapes cut and taped together, parts of a cut-up rubber ball, a balloon, plastic modeling clay, a stuffed animal - anything, as long as it's the right shape. Under several layers of paper, which will stiffen when dry, it won't matter what you used. When you are doing your several layers of paper, you can form places to put plumes, or realistic eyes and teeth from a taxidermy place. You can even run electrical wire between the layers of paper, if your intention is science fiction. And if there are enough layers of paper, you will have made the equivalent of particle board, and you can sand it smooth with regular sand paper. I believe that papier mache' is what the originals were made of, but I don't know where I heard that. Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 15:35:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04027 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:35:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Jb4L27860; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Jb1a22474; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79JZfa21816 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:35:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.189.36.255] (HELO [192.168.1.102]) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with ESMTP id 40188815 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:35:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: amandaf@pop.charter.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> To: h-costume@indra.com From: sustre@pixelations.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:35:38 -0400 Status: RO I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of native but unendangered species- this was discussed in an article about Native American artisans using found feathers in their work, noting that while such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH, no one was busting the gallery owners who had the work! It's not legal to have raptor or endangered species bits unless one has a permit, even a found feather. I think vultures fall into this category, but I'm not sure about ravens; I know that crows are legally "songbirds," though one can also legally shoot them in most states. I'm not sure where ducks and geese fall in this, since they're a separate issue- they're not the migratory native songbirds that the one law protects. I believe their feathers are legal, but don't know for sure. Exotics are fair game, whether bits or the whole bird. One can legally have a pet starling, for example, but not a jay. I think endangered exotics fall under yet another system of rules, which require yet another sort of permit. It's all a very confused mess! -Amanda who volunteered with an animal rehabber for a while and got introduced to some of this there _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:20:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04270 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:20:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79KMLL01939; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KMJa16310; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:22:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KIba14482 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0L007H5F2YLC@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: legal feathers (was Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was In-reply-to: X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809130030.00e14a70@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <001f01c23f82$78471d20$66c0adcb@michaela> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:18:19 -0700 Status: RO The UD Department of Fish and Game has a huge web site, and they are very specific about what one can and cannot possess. Feathers from anything with a hunting season (ducks, doves, etc.) are assumed to have come from legally taken birds. Feathers from birds that are ranched in this country but endangered in their native country (ostriches) are assumed to be from ranched birds. 'Escaped domestic animals' have no protection except from local hunting ordinances (don't fire a gun inside the city limits, etc.), and this includes the 'rock dove' (city park pigeon). Vermin are similarly unprotected (rats, mice, etc.), but research crows, as they may be protected in some states but not in others. I don't think non-native species (parrots, English sparrows, etc.) are protected except by local hunting ordinances. If the Fish and Game Department catches you with illegal feathers they can confiscate the entire garment, or fine you, or both, depending on the offense, their web site tells me. >I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of native >but unendangered species- this was discussed in an article about Native >American artisans using found feathers in their work, noting that while >such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH, no one was busting the >gallery owners who had the work! > >It's not legal to have raptor or endangered species bits unless one has a >permit, even a found feather. I think vultures fall into this category, >but I'm not sure about ravens; I know that crows are legally "songbirds," >though one can also legally shoot them in most states. > >I'm not sure where ducks and geese fall in this, since they're a separate >issue- they're not the migratory native songbirds that the one law >protects. I believe their feathers are legal, but don't know for sure. > >Exotics are fair game, whether bits or the whole bird. One can legally >have a pet starling, for example, but not a jay. I think endangered >exotics fall under yet another system of rules, which require yet another >sort of permit. > >It's all a very confused mess! > >-Amanda >who volunteered with an animal rehabber for a while and got introduced to >some of this there >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:35:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04385 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Kb3L03113; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kb1a24681; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:37:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KYLa23141 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC3E10F533 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B4EC10F535 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <023601c23fe2$ae770670$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:23:52 -0400 Status: RO Oh, Teeeddyyyyy..... Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? > > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: > > > Well, that's the beauty of it, Robin. We make one costume for each of > > us!! > > > > And I'll volunteer to do the actual sewing, so I get to go first. ;-) > > And who's going to supply the materials? > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:40:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04430 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:40:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Kg4L03622; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kg3a28261; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f239.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.239]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kf5a27552 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 Received: from 12.232.52.91 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 20:41:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.232.52.91] From: "Kala Jathos" To: h-costume@net.indra.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2002 20:41:00.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[1231A7E0:01C23FE5] Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 Status: RO So out of curiosity, I went and searched for "antique corset" on ebay to see what would come up, and I found this set of corset cover and bloomers http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2129223831 I'm having trouble reconciling the date in my mind. If the measurements of the corset cover are as she says, then that's definitely what it is, in my mind. I don't know anyone with that sort of tuck naturally! What confuses me are the bloomers. They've got a sewn crotch seam, which I was told was something that only really started in the late 1920's. I know that people were *probably* still wearing corsets and things around then, but I can't see why you would want closed crotch bloomers if you were wearing one, regardless of the year. It just doesn't make sense to me. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe it's a reproduction, and the crotch has been closed to less offend the modern buyer's sensibilities? But then that would call the seller's calling it "antique" into question... Please advise? :) -Laura (the puzzled) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 16:45:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04465 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:45:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79Kl4L04167; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Kl3a01733; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from userweb.suscom.net (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79KkDa01067 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:46:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (userweb.suscom.net [64.78.119.248]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48A610F3AF for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by userweb.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1290A10F109 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <031101c23fe4$94ff5510$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:37:20 -0400 Status: RO Now THERE's a fantabulous combination! Whee!! Whatcha makin'? Dianne ----- Original Message ----- > > Come to think of it, Drea is doing this for me now, for a future joint > offering. > > Margo > "One Tough Costumer" > > > See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 17:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04560 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:10:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79LC3L06271; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LC1a15051; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hermes.directcon.net (hermes.directcon.net [206.170.184.15]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LAAa14141 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:10:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dnyeaqvf (r13p144.directcon.net [209.233.107.144]) by hermes.directcon.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g79L9wkO010555; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 14:09:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020809141516.00c6bec0@pop.directcon.net> X-Sender: margospatterns@pop.directcon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) To: h-costume@indra.com, From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-Reply-To: <031101c23fe4$94ff5510$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> References: <3D511FD6.8D9AEA7E@in-tch.com> <3.0.6.32.20020809092422.01290190@pop.directcon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:15:16 -0700 Status: RO At 04:37 PM 08/09/2002 -0400, Dianne and Greg Stucki wrote: >Now THERE's a fantabulous combination! Whee!! Whatcha makin'? > We're in the very early stages of producing The 16th Century Market Woman's Wardrobe Pattern, or possibly several patterns for various geograpical areas. Look for it sometime next year. Margo "One Tough Costumer" See the Historic Costume Patterns website at margospatterns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 17:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04590 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:14:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79LH2L06705; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LH2a17751; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.siscom.net (1012@shell.siscom.net [209.251.2.80]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LCJa15197 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:12:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (drea@localhost) by shell.siscom.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA41934 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from drea@nospam) From: Drea Leed To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] 1860s Dye Recipes online Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Everyone, While in the process of moving and updating my Elizabethan costuming page, I stumbled across a document that I'd been meaning to web for a while now...excerpts from the book "600 miscellaneous Receipts worth their weight in gold", published in 1860. I transcribed all of the recipes for dyeing fabric, dyeing straw and leather, cleaning gloves, making pomade and tooth powder, etc. It's up and running at http://costume.dm.net/other/1860misc.html My webpage deals with Elizabethan clothing, so I don't have a link to it...feel free to forward the url on to any sites, lists or folk who'd find it useful. Enjoy! Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 17:45:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04686 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:45:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79LlLL08917; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:47:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79LlJa03048; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79Ljfa02258 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 15:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A8AB2C0210; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 16:48:27 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c23fee$0fec35a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:45:21 -0400 Status: RO Come here Sue... >> thinking of cutting my long hair of 17 years. Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 18:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04840 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g79MC3L11143; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:12:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g79MC2a15292; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 16:12:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g792nda02946 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sherlock ([63.195.131.242]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0H0J00A3XUIS5K@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:56:52 -0700 (PDT) From: PacBell Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Filkers on h-costume To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <00aa01c23f37$12bfb520$0101a8c0@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020807192852.00ac4430@mail.broadviewnet.net> X-Priority: 3 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: PacBell List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:55:28 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, my name is Margo.(Some other Margo). I've written the occasional = filk, but no one in their right mind (or wrong one for that matter) = wants to hear me sing. costume content - I like to embroider; my sewing/costuming skills are = mediocre. I prefer ethnic styles, as they are easy to sew & leave a lot = of area for embellishment. Margo Glenn-Lewis Davis, CA ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, my name is Margo.(Some other = Margo).  I've=20 written the occasional filk, but no one in their right mind (or wrong = one for=20 that matter) wants to hear me sing.
 
costume content - I like to embroider; = my=20 sewing/costuming skills are mediocre.  I prefer ethnic styles, as = they are=20 easy to sew & leave a lot of area for embellishment.
 
Margo Glenn-Lewis
Davis, CA
------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C23EFC.66255AC0-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 20:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05448 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:38:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A0e6L19818; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0e1a09638; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0aFa08593 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m174.in-tch.com [216.166.191.174]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7A0M4900152 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:22:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D546160.AA700D62@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hairstyle help! References: <00dd01c23f62$ca2718e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3D53B347.70F8A1DD@in-tch.com> <003101c23fee$0fec35a0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:42:08 -0600 Status: RO Heh, heh, heh......... I'm just jealous, is all..... --sue (dang, but she packs a mean skillet...must be all those kids she has to keep in line! ) Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Come here Sue... >> thinking of > cutting my long hair of 17 years. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 20:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05454 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A0exL19874; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0ewa09951; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jabberwock.wonderland.com (jabberwock.wonderland.com [205.179.178.102]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A0aea08689 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 18:36:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from alice@localhost) by jabberwock.wonderland.com (8.12.3/8.11.1) id g7A0ab4d032024 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alice) From: Heather Meadows Message-Id: <200208100036.g7A0ab4d032024@jabberwock.wonderland.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Unsubscribing To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: from "david.batterham@virgin.net" at Aug 09, 2002 02:03:38 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO from the headers of your mail: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > Another appeal to Liz to help me find how to unsubscribe David Batterham > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Marna Jean marnajean@shootingstarhistory.com > Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:07:12 -0500 > To: h-costume@net.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] interesting ebay corset > > > I have a theory- its part of an entertainers costume or perhaps fancy dress > costume-(I just got a new plate of fancy dress costumes for 1883 so I'm > stuck on them at the moment) and I'm guessing late 19th century. > MJ > > Doug and Marna Jean Davis > Shooting Star Enterprises > Living History & Custom Historical Clothing > http://www.shootingstarhistory.com/home.html > oakley@access-one.com > Alternate email- > oakley@shootingstarhistory.com > > Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com - > Victorian and Old West Era > Online Classes in History and Period Sewing > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 22:03:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05774 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 22:03:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A255L23039; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:05:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A250a02835; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:05:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from alpha.eos.net (alpha.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A201a01493 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 20:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [205.133.149.153] (pm5-153.eos.net [205.133.149.153]) by alpha.eos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25862 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:59:56 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200208092122.g79LM2a20426@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Re: helmet crest Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 21:59:09 -0400 Status: RO Rosalyn: My husband has several helmet crests. He made a leather cap that ties on the top of his helmet (yes, he had to drill through the helmet) that is the base of all his crests. They tie on to the leather base. The whole thing is quite sturdy. He isn't here, but I will ask him about the cap when he gets home. I think it is made from two pieces sewn together in the middle. It is stiffened, but I don't know if he just molded it by getting it wet, or if he made cuir buille by covering it with wax and baking it. More to come . . . Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Fri Aug 9 23:48:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06149 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A3o3L27159; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A3o1a29011; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A3m4a28571 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2002 21:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net ([12.72.41.80]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020810034758.TJNN11089.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer.worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 03:47:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809151836.00a38880@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: Kiloran@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200208092122.g79LM2a20426@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 15:32:07 -0700 Status: RO I've found that quite a few sellers on ebay have a very vague idea of what "Victorian" means and often ascribe something to that time period when it's blatantly clear it's from a later era. One of my pet peeves is sellers calling an Edwardian or even later dress "Victorian". If it seems that the seller is making an honest mistake I'll email them with more correct information and dating. I've also found that "antique" is a word that's tossed around quite liberally on ebay. It seems that virtually anything pre-1950 is considered "antique" I agree that this corset is very likely not Victorian and not even antique. In fact, the fabric looks brand new. It's hard to tell from a jpeg, but there's something about it that looks like it's freshly made. There's a crispness to the look of the fabric that makes me think it's never been laundered. And aside from the closed crotch, the ""corset cover" buttons up the back, which a proper corset cover wouldn't. And I don't think Victorian or even later corset covers would have had quite so much crochet lace on them. My feeling is this is a leftover form the "prarie" style craze that was so popular in the '70's, and is popular right now again in that "retro" fashion. Which is why I think this could well be brand new. I'll be generous and say the seller probably meant to say "Victorian-STYLE" in their description. Julie >Message: 11 >From: "Kala Jathos" >To: h-costume@net.indra.com >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 >Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) >Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > >So out of curiosity, I went and searched for "antique corset" on ebay to see >what would come up, and I found this set of corset cover and bloomers > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2129223831 > >I'm having trouble reconciling the date in my mind. If the measurements of >the corset cover are as she says, then that's definitely what it is, in my >mind. I don't know anyone with that sort of tuck naturally! What confuses >me are the bloomers. They've got a sewn crotch seam, which I was told was >something that only really started in the late 1920's. I know that people >were *probably* still wearing corsets and things around then, but I can't >see why you would want closed crotch bloomers if you were wearing one, >regardless of the year. It just doesn't make sense to me. > >The only other thing I can think of is that maybe it's a reproduction, and >the crotch has been closed to less offend the modern buyer's sensibilities? >But then that would call the seller's calling it "antique" into question... > >Please advise? :) > >-Laura >(the puzzled) > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 10 02:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23051 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 02:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7A6Z5L02867; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:35:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A6Z1a07739; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7A6Xra07476 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 00:33:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([64.175.35.4]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0M00JM07KF8D@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20020809151836.00a38880@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020809232127.00cc21c0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200208092122.g79LM2a20426@net.indra.com> Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 23:33:46 -0700 Status: RO I think what we're looking at is too much matching crochet to be a totally 1970s thing. Notice how the lace appears to match on the yoke straps and the insertion on the drawers, as do the horizontal lace on the yoke and on the edge of the drawers. If it is a 70s thing, I think the lace is at least as old as the nineteen-teens, and is a set intended for a real corset cover and drawers. The lace style reminds me of nineteen-teens crochet nightgown yokes. But we can't tell if the lace was pieced together later out of old parts or if it was made as a set for what we see here. BTW, my favorite phrase is 'Victorian Flapper', which I see every once in a while used to describe one of those tubular nineteen-twenties dresses. >I've found that quite a few sellers on ebay have a very vague idea of what >"Victorian" means and often ascribe something to that time period when >it's blatantly clear it's from a later era. One of my pet peeves is >sellers calling an Edwardian or even later dress "Victorian". If it seems >that the seller is making an honest mistake I'll email them with more >correct information and dating. > >I've also found that "antique" is a word that's tossed around quite >liberally on ebay. It seems that virtually anything pre-1950 is considered >"antique" > >I agree that this corset is very likely not Victorian and not even >antique. In fact, the fabric looks brand new. It's hard to tell from a >jpeg, but there's something about it that looks like it's freshly made. >There's a crispness to the look of the fabric that makes me think it's >never been laundered. And aside from the closed crotch, the ""corset >cover" buttons up the back, which a proper corset cover wouldn't. And I >don't think Victorian or even later corset covers would have had quite so >much crochet lace on them. My feeling is this is a leftover form the >"prarie" style craze that was so popular in the '70's, and is popular >right now again in that "retro" fashion. Which is why I think this could >well be brand new. I'll be generous and say the seller probably meant to >say "Victorian-STYLE" in their description. > >Julie > > >>Message: 11 >>From: "Kala Jathos" >>To: h-costume@net.indra.com >>Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 13:41:00 -0700 >>Subject: [h-cost] interesting undergarments (was Re: interesting ebay corset) >>Reply-To: h-costume@mail.indra.com >> >> >> >>So out of curiosity, I went and searched for "antique corset" on ebay to see >>what would come up, and I found this set of corset cover and bloomers >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2129223831 >> >>I'm having trouble reconciling the date in my mind. If the measurements of >>the corset cover are as she says, then that's definitely what it is, in my >>mind. I don't know anyone with that sort of tuck naturally! What confuses >>me are the bloomers. They've got a sewn crotch seam, which I was told was >>something that only really started in the late 1920's. I know that people >>were *probably* still wearing corsets and things around then, but I can't >>see why you would want closed crotch bloomers if you were wearing one, >>regardless of the year. It just doesn't make sense to me. >> >>The only other thing I can think of is that maybe it's a reproduction, and >>the crotch has been closed to less offend the modern buyer's sensibilities? >>But then that would call the seller's calling it "antique" into question... >> >>Please advise? :) >> >>-Laura >>(the puzzled) > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sat Aug 10 10:33:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00528 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7AEZ3L15274; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:35:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7AEZ1a08862; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7AEVHa08101 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 08:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.9f.2b8b9da9 (4238) for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BOSTONHAHN@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae@aol.com> Subject: Fwd: [Rhydderich_Hael] Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10571 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:31:10 EDT Status: RO --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary" --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this question was asked quite a while ago. I also know that several of you are in touch with the person who does period tanning. I received the forwarded message and thought I should share this as well. Elisabeth --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know this question was asked quite a while ago.  I also know that several of you are in touch with the person who does period tanning.  I received the forwarded message and thought I should share this as well.
Elisabeth --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_alt_boundary-- --part1_9f.2b8b9da9.2a867dae_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj05.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ51-0808192439; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:24:39 2000 Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ59-0808192420; Thu, 08 Aug 2002 19:24:20 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2510481-1536-1028848933-BOSTONHAHN=aol.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 23:22:13 -0000 X-Sender: salley@klaatu.canisius.edu X-Apparently-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 8 Aug 2002 23:22:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92632 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.68) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2002 23:22:11 -0000 To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dagonell2001" X-Originating-IP: 12.45.22.4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dagonell2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com; contact Rhydderich_Hael-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 23:22:10 -0000 Subject: [Rhydderich_Hael] Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Reply-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The book you want is called "How to cure hides and tan leather". I bought my copy from Castle Furnishings at last Pennsic (I've got two bunnies and a doe in my freezer waiting for me to finish reading it) She also has a web-site as www.medievalbookstore.com Good luck, we'll compare pelts in the fall. -- Dagonell --- In Rhydderich_Hael@y..., BOSTONHAHN@a... wrote: > I received this message from the Historical Costuming list. I thought maybe > Lord Cynwyl could answer this question. But the email address I have for him > is not working. Maybe someone can forward please, if he is not on this list. > Thanks > Elisabeth > > Can anyone help? > > As the other half seems to enjoy thinning out the local rabbit population and bringing them home > for us to eat. I decided it might be worth doing something with all the furs, that otherwise > would go in the bin. Does anyone have any idea how furs were cured in 16th Century England. I > have heard of using alum or alum and saltpeter but I have no idea if these were used then and what > quantities would be required. > > Many Thanks > > Rachel > > ===== > Rachel > > Tudor Bibliography > http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@m... > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now Click Here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Rhydderich_Hael-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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--part1_63.fd9ca97.2a86ab6c_alt_boundary-- --part1_63.fd9ca97.2a86ab6c_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb04.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.16) with ESMTP id MAILINXB43-0810120554; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:05:54 -0400 Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.89]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB54-0810120532; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:05:32 -0400 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-2510481-1540-1028995528-BOSTONHAHN=aol.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 X-Sender: salley@klaatu.canisius.edu X-Apparently-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 79971 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.87) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.171] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Aug 2002 16:05:25 -0000 To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "dagonell2001" X-Originating-IP: 12.45.22.44 X-Yahoo-Profile: dagonell2001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com; contact Rhydderich_Hael-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 16:05:24 -0000 Subject: [Rhydderich_Hael] Re: Fwd: [h-cost] Curing Rabbit Pelts Reply-To: Rhydderich_Hael@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the recipe Cynwyl gave me: 4 oz salt petre (drug store) 1 lb alum (health food store) 2-1/2 lb oatmeal 1/4 lb kosher salt 1 qt buttermilk Mix well. Rub into hide on non-fur side. Does one deerskin. Let us know how many bunnies it does. -- Dagonell > --- In Rhydderich_Hael@y..., BOSTONHAHN@a... wrote: > > I received this message from the Historical Costuming list. I > thought maybe > > Lord Cynwyl could answer this question. But the email address I > have for him > > is not working. Maybe someone can forward please, if he is not on > this list. > > Thanks > > Elisabeth > > > > Can anyone help? > > > > As the other half seems to enjoy thinning out the local rabbit > population and bringing them home > > for us to eat. I decided it might be worth doing something with all > the furs, that otherwise > > would go in the bin. Does anyone have any idea how furs were cured > in 16th Century England. I > > have heard of using alum or alum and saltpeter but I have no idea if > these were used then and what > > quantities would be required. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Rachel > > > > ===== > > Rachel > > > > Tudor Bibliography > > http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@m... > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now Click Here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Rhydderich_Hael-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part1_63.fd9ca97.2a86ab6c_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 00:26:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04302 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:26:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B4S6L18051; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4S1a25343; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:28:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4MPa24160 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:22:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0NW5500.80E for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:22:17 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/11431990); 11 Aug 2002 14:22:12 Message-ID: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Long gloves Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:27:54 -0700 Status: RO When were long evening gloves worn? From what I've seen long gloves start to be worn in the late 1790's but a lot of 1840's pictures have the ladies wearing short gloves with evening dresses? They seem to be pretty much universal from the later Victorian period into this century. Were there any rules about colours and stuff? I recently acquired a pair (polyester unfortunately I think) so I'm wondering what costume I could make to go with them? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 00:27:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04310 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:27:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B4T6L18102; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:29:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4T5a25581; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4Q6a24905 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0NWBA00.0ZR for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:25:58 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/11439130); 11 Aug 2002 14:25:54 Message-ID: <3D56D7B7.EC859C65@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: <3D529F27.17928.50FF618@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:31:36 -0700 Status: RO > > > Also, I don't have a single strand running around the whole > waistband. I do that in quarters or eighths too. The reason for this > is that if you pop a strand, you don't get the whole skirt popping > out, only that one section, which makes it much easier to repair. (I > do the sewing of the pleats the same way for the same reason. > Can you tell I've seen too many which have unraveled themselves in > the middle of important usage?) > > The tricky part of this is that you have to have the strands of one > section slightly overlapping those of another section so that you > don't accidently get an "empty" area with a pleat valley which > doesn't have a strand holding it in place. > Ah well, what I do for that is knot the thread every five-ten pleats or so, then if it breaks only a few come undone, and it avoids the 'valley' thing too. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 00:45:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04373 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:44:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B4l2L18733; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4l1a29179; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:47:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (mta03ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B4cBa27404 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0NWV700.D5O for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:37:55 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.74 ([203.54.114.74]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 92/39194942); 11 Aug 2002 14:37:51 Message-ID: <3D56DA63.90A56163@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: [Fwd: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:42:59 -0700 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Claire Clarke wrote: > N Kipar wrote: > > > --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > > > > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > > > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > > > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > > > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > > > a foolproof method for this one? > > > > Uhm... you are probably going to scream now being a mathematician but I NEVER > > cxalculate anything when I cartridge pleat. I just pleat, as big or small as I > > think looks good and then I just shuffle the pleats prettily and neatly along > > the waistband. works everytime, truly foolproof and I wouldn't even know how to > > do the calculation thing (I'm dyscalcic, numbers mean nothing to me). > > > > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! > :-P > Obviously my problem is just thinking about it too much *grin* > > Claire --------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3D56D71B.3376CA17@bigpond.com> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:28:59 -0700 From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pleats (was: What's your favorite...) References: <20020808232158.66095.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit N Kipar wrote: > --- Claire Clarke wrote: > > > > No, I do it this way too, and I'm a mathematician! > > On the other hand I have trouble with cartridge pleats, because I can > > never seem to work out how big to make the gathering stitiches to pull > > the skirt up exactly to the size of the waistband/bodice. Anyone have > > a foolproof method for this one? > > Uhm... you are probably going to scream now being a mathematician but I NEVER > cxalculate anything when I cartridge pleat. I just pleat, as big or small as I > think looks good and then I just shuffle the pleats prettily and neatly along > the waistband. works everytime, truly foolproof and I wouldn't even know how to > do the calculation thing (I'm dyscalcic, numbers mean nothing to me). > Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! :-P Obviously my problem is just thinking about it too much *grin* Claire --------------BB825A7B3AB292DAB2958448-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 01:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04612 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B5W2L20241; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:32:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B5W0a08422; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:32:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B5Uva08213 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:30:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hopperflop2 ([24.130.252.190]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020811053051.YRP19356.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@hopperflop2> for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 05:30:51 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c240f8$41a11ce0$befc8218@hopperflop2> From: "Kendra Van Cleave" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:30:51 -0700 Status: RO A vague answer, but I would suggest looking through fashion plates (you could look at the Timeline of Costume History images on the Costumer's Manifesto: http://www.costumes.org/pages/timelinepages/timeline.htm) to find styles, lengths, and colors, which definitely vary by period. For example, I was recently looking at gloves in the 1830's, and I found that below-elbow-length white gloves were practically universal. - Kendra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Clarke" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: [h-cost] Long gloves > When were long evening gloves worn? From what I've seen long gloves > start to > be worn in the late 1790's but a lot of 1840's pictures have the ladies > wearing > short gloves with evening dresses? They seem to be pretty much universal > from > the later Victorian period into this century. Were there any rules about > colours and > stuff? > I recently acquired a pair (polyester unfortunately I think) so I'm > wondering what > costume I could make to go with them? > > Claire > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 03:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05138 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 03:58:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7B804L24903; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B801a07284; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7B7wIa06988 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:58:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-103-173.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.103.173]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJK06783; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:59:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:00:56 +0100 Status: RO Gloves fashions change quite a lot from what I've read, I do 1870s & tend to wear 24 inch for evenings and wrist for day. I had problems getting leather gloves to fit my large modern hands so started making various styles in my size, I was surprised to find so many people had trouble so now I sell too. Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 14:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12074 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:55:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BIv7L15126; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BIv1a16471; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BIlea14248 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:47:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-043.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.43]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217BE7D21 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-costume Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010004010803080508040008" Subject: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:30:06 +0200 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010004010803080508040008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have my own website!! It is still under construction, but it is my own!! You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century weddingdress. And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and lots of other stuf. It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! And I hope others wil like it too. Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Greetings, Deredere --------------010004010803080508040008 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Base: "http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/" Content-Location: "http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/" Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery

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--------------010004010803080508040008-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 15:19:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12203 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:19:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BJLHL16330; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:21:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BJLAa22759; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BJ9Ja19328 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from post12.tele.dk (0x3ef32f31.boanxx5.adsl.tele.dk [62.243.47.49]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3285D5EF76F for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:09:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D56B5B0.EB3C7380@post12.tele.dk> From: Leif Drews X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! References: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:06:24 +0200 Status: RO Dear Deredere, May i be the first one to congratulate you with your beautifull Weddingdress and your brand new website! I think your Weddingdress is absolutely beautifull, i love the colours, especially the rose color, my favourite colour. Your beautifull embroidery also pleased my body, lovely work! Congratulations Deredere, may your merrige be as happy and harmonious as your beautifull work. Bjarne Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > Hi, > > I have my own website!! > It is still under construction, but it is my own!! > > You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century > weddingdress. > And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, > and > lots of other stuf. > It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! > And I hope others wil like it too. > > Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ > > > Greetings, > Deredere > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Medieval and Renaissance costumes and archery > > > [Image] > > > Index: * Wedding invitation (Under construktion) * My weddingdress * Wedding costume (under construktion) * Wedding Pictures (under construktion) * Costume Galery (under construktion) * Archery (under construktion) > > [Image] > > > This website is maintained by Owen and Deredere ( triade@kabelfoon.nl > ). > Last update: 11 August 2002 > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 15:59:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12347 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:59:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BK12L17806; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BK10a02118; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:01:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BJwwa01608 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:58:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06827 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:00:49 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! In-Reply-To: <3D56B5B0.EB3C7380@post12.tele.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Leif Drews wrote: > > You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century > > weddingdress. > > > > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade/ Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12627 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BL73L21026; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BL71a17672; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.106]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BKt2a15036 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Osmondia@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.89.1c1e7551 (3310) for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Osmondia@aol.com Message-ID: <89.1c1e7551.2a88291d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:54:53 EDT Status: RO --part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/02 12:37:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sustre@pixelations.com writes: > I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of > native but endangered species-this was discussed in an article > about Native American artisans using found feathers in their work, > noting that while such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH, > no one was busting the gallery owners who had the work! > I have heard of many gallery owners being taken into federal court for trying to sell a piece of art with eagle feathers. most of what you see in Native American art for sale are not eagle feathers but dyed turkey feathers. And the Dept. of the Interior has agents who make suprise visits to galleries that specialize in NA art to verify the feathers in use are not endangered species and if they have any questions on it they impound the piece of art to test the feathers. If you ever want to create a panic at any NA festival were there are costumes with Eagle Feathers...try picking one up that falls on the ground. Very bad thing to do. Osmondia --part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/02 12:37:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sustre@pixelations.com writes:


I learned that it's legal to have, but not to sell, bird parts of
native but endangered species-this was discussed in an article
about Native American artisans using found feathers in their work,
noting that while such use was legal, selling the work was not. OTOH,
no one was busting the gallery owners who had the work!


I have heard of many gallery owners being taken into federal court for trying to sell a piece of art with eagle feathers.  most of what you see in Native American art for sale are not eagle feathers but dyed turkey feathers. And the Dept. of the Interior has agents who  make suprise visits to galleries that specialize in NA art to verify the feathers in use are not endangered species and if they have any questions on it they impound the piece of art to test the feathers.
If you ever want to create a panic at any NA festival were there are costumes with Eagle Feathers...try picking one up that falls on the ground.  Very bad thing to do.

Osmondia --part1_89.1c1e7551.2a88291d_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 17:53:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12859 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:53:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BLtAL23088; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BLt4a28128; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BLoTa27214 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.84]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0P8NX00.0SE for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:50:21 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.6 ([203.54.114.6]) by bwmam06.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 47/13126430); 12 Aug 2002 07:50:16 Message-ID: <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:56:01 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > Gloves fashions change quite a lot from what I've read, I do 1870s & tend to > wear 24 inch for evenings and wrist for day. I had problems getting leather > gloves to fit my large modern hands so started making various styles in my > size, I was surprised to find so many people had trouble so now I sell too. > I have the opposite problem - small hands with very long fingers. On most of the gloves that fit my hand the fingers stop not much past my first knuckle. So I was very surprised to find that these old gloves fit me quite well. On the other hand they are gold satin not kid which I understand was most common historically. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 18:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12935 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:06:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BM84L23526; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BM82a01059; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.149]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BM4Ga00147 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-127-64.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.127.64] (may be forged)) by msgdirector2.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJR39480; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:04:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00b601c24183$68889d20$03664ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:06:55 +0100 Status: RO >I have the opposite problem - small hands with very long fingers. On most of the gloves that fit my hand the fingers stop not much past my first knuckle. Yes I have long fingers too :( What size are you ? >So I was very surprised to find that these old gloves fit me quite well. On the other hand they are gold satin not kid which I understand was most common historically. Indeed Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Sun Aug 11 19:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13450 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:56:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7BNw2L27697; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BNw1a25251; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7BNs4a24421 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla_r1a238.in-tch.com [66.62.107.38]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7BNdr908260 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:39:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D56FA7A.450E79FB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! References: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:59:54 -0600 Status: RO Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I just love reading people's "dress diaries"! I like very much what you did with your shift/chemise...I've seen portraits with the sleeves done just that way. And I like the blackwork you did for your corset, but then, monochrome embroidery's really my own favorit thing anyway...just ask Robin...she's seen some of it! I also really liked the portrait you were using as inspiration for the partlet you didn't get finished, but it's not one I've seen before. Who's the artist? I may have to -uh- "borrow" it for my own inspiration.... I sure hope that if I ever get married, my dress will be as beautiful as yours.... --Sue Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > > Hi, > > I have my own website!! > It is still under construction, but it is my own!! > > You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century > weddingdress. > And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and > lots of other stuf. > It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! > And I hope others wil like it too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 00:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14494 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:13:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C4FBL08484; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4F9a22436; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:15:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C45aa20231 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:05:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08973 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:07:23 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Artemesia/Orazio exhibit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:07:23 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I thought I posted about this ages ago, but I don't see any record of a post, so I'm doing it now. I hope it's still timely enough to be useful to someone... The St. Louis Art Museum is currently hosting the first major exhibit of the works of Orazio and Artemesia Gentileschi, displayed together. The show runs through September 15; this is the third and last stop (after Rome and NYC). I've been twice already, even though I don't normally go for Baroque (well, I edged into one of the styles once, and used Artemesia's paintings as a source, so I had a little awareness of these works). The exhibit is breathtaking -- rooms upon rooms, more than 65 works, including multiple versions of many of the most famous scenes, such as Judith & Holofernes. Often the father and daughter versions are shown near each other, so you can compare them. It was interesting to learn that for some of the paintings, it's still under question which of the Gentileschis was the artist. There's also been a lecture series, a conference, etc. associated with the exhibit. You can find out more at http://www.slam.org -- click "Exhibitions," and then "Featured Exhibition." If you look through all the pages on the exhibit, you'll see quite a few nice images. Click on any one for a closeup and detailed information, and once you're on one image you can scroll through the rest. I don't know how long these will be up on the site; they may disappear when the exhibit closes. Naturally I went to the lecture about costume in the paintings ;-) The speaker was Carole Collier Frick, who has a book coming out this fall on clothing in Renaissance Florence. (I'll post the book citation in my next post, with some others.) I was impressed by the depth of her knowledge within her field, a little skeptical of some of her statements when she strayed outside her area of specialty. For those with that focus, the book sounds like it will be a useful source. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 00:18:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14527 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C4K3L08666; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:20:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4K1a23596; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C49sa21226 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:09:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA09000 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:11:45 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by net.indra.com id g7C49sa21226 Subject: [h-cost] Books on Italy, silk, etc. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I've collected a few book references that might be useful to some members of the list. I know nothing about any of these except what you see here, though I did hear Carole Collier Frick speak a few weeks ago (see my previous post). Dressing Renaissance Florence: Honorable Families, Economics, and Tailors Carole Collier Frick Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002 The silk industry of Renaissance Venice Luca Molà Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2000. La seta in Italia dal Medioevo al Seicento : dal baco al drappo Luca Molà, Reinhold C. Mueller, Claudio Zanier Venezia : Marsilio, 2000. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 00:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14625 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:43:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C4j9L09618; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4j4a29583; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C4bCa27873 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m114.in-tch.com [216.166.191.114]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7C4N0907376 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:23:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D573CD9.ED931BCB@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books on Italy, silk, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:43:05 -0600 Status: RO Oh, fine...ruin my book budget right before I go to Europe. Geez! ;-P --sue, who gets to go to the bank tomorrow and put in her "order" for Euros and pounds..... Robin Netherton wrote: > > I've collected a few book references that might be useful to some members > of the list. I know nothing about any of these except what you see here, > though I did hear Carole Collier Frick speak a few weeks ago (see my > previous post). > > Dressing Renaissance Florence: Honorable Families, Economics, and Tailors > Carole Collier Frick > Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2002 > > The silk industry of Renaissance Venice > Luca Molà > Baltimore : Johns Hopkins University Press, 2000. > > La seta in Italia dal Medioevo al Seicento : dal baco al drappo > Luca Molà, Reinhold C. Mueller, Claudio Zanier > Venezia : Marsilio, 2000. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 01:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA14871 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:48:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7C5o7L12078; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C5o1n14468; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C5eAn12422 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09371 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:42:01 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] Italian sumptuary laws paper Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:42:01 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I'm going through old emails and found this interesting reference: > Bridgeman, Jane. 'Pagare le Pompe': Why Quattrocento > Sumptuary Laws Did Not Work. In Women in Italian Renaissance Culture > and Society. Edited by Letizia Panizza. European Humanities Research > Centre, University of Oxford, 2000. Pages 209-226. Should be useful to someone... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 06:01:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA08202 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:01:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CA34L20020; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CA31n12625; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (hirogen.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.69]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7C9pln10467 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 03:51:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from kabelfoon.nl (kf-ijss-fp02-195.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.121.195]) by hirogen.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B49C7FAF for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:51:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D578531.5040505@kabelfoon.nl> From: Deredere & Owen Iskander User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ippie!! My own website!! References: <3D56AD2E.6090804@kabelfoon.nl> <3D56FA7A.450E79FB@in-tch.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040104020604020304030401" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:51:45 +0200 Status: RO --------------040104020604020304030401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I also like to read dress diaries. That is wy I decided to make one of my wedding dress. I hope that my husband will find some time to make a diary of his costume. You can find the painting here. http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor15.html A detail picture of such a parlet http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml Greetings, Deredere Sue Clemenger wrote: >Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I just love reading people's >"dress diaries"! >I like very much what you did with your shift/chemise...I've seen >portraits with the sleeves done just that way. And I like the blackwork >you did for your corset, but then, monochrome embroidery's really my own >favorit thing anyway...just ask Robin...she's seen some of it! >I also really liked the portrait you were using as inspiration for the >partlet you didn't get finished, but it's not one I've seen before. >Who's the artist? I may have to -uh- "borrow" it for my own >inspiration.... >I sure hope that if I ever get married, my dress will be as beautiful as >yours.... >--Sue > >Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I have my own website!! >>It is still under construction, but it is my own!! >> >>You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century >>weddingdress. >>And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and >>lots of other stuf. >>It is more work then I thought but I'm happy! >>And I hope others wil like it too. >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > --------------040104020604020304030401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I also like to read dress diaries. That is wy I decided to make one of my wedding dress.
I hope that my husband will find some time to make a diary of his costume.

You can find the painting here.
http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/secondflor/secflor15.html
A detail picture of such a parlet
http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1570_3.shtml

Greetings,
        Deredere

Sue Clemenger wrote:
Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I just love reading people's
"dress diaries"!
I like very much what you did with your shift/chemise...I've seen
portraits with the sleeves done just that way.  And I like the blackwork
you did for your corset, but then, monochrome embroidery's really my own
favorit thing anyway...just ask Robin...she's seen some of it!
I also really liked the portrait you were using as inspiration for the
partlet you didn't get finished, but it's not one I've seen before. 
Who's the artist? I may have to -uh- "borrow" it for my own
inspiration....
I sure hope that if I ever get married, my dress will be as beautiful as
yours....
--Sue

Deredere & Owen Iskander wrote:
Hi,

I have my own website!!
It is still under construction, but it is my own!!

You can find here the story of the making of my 16th century
weddingdress.
And I plan on putting pictures up of all the costumes I have made, and
lots of other stuf.
It is more work then I thought but I'm happy!
And I hope others wil like it too.
_______________________________________________
h-costume mailing list
h-costume@mail.indra.com
http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume


--------------040104020604020304030401-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 08:21:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10508 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CCN2L24445; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CCN0n12232; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imf03bis.bellsouth.net (mail203.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.143]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CCHdn11065 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sgrochoski ([216.78.20.14]) by imf03bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020812121908.VRHP1195.imf03bis.bellsouth.net@sgrochoski> for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c241f9$dd1888f0$0e144ed8@sgrochoski> From: "Apollonia Margherita" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian sumptuary laws paper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:14:50 -0400 Status: RO Yes!!! Useful to me!!!!!! Apollonia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: [h-cost] Italian sumptuary laws paper > > I'm going through old emails and found this interesting reference: > > > Bridgeman, Jane. 'Pagare le Pompe': Why Quattrocento > > Sumptuary Laws Did Not Work. In Women in Italian Renaissance Culture > > and Society. Edited by Letizia Panizza. European Humanities Research > > Centre, University of Oxford, 2000. Pages 209-226. > > Should be useful to someone... > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 08:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11903 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CCx4L26260; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CCx3n20859; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13310.mail.yahoo.com (web13310.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.222]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CCpAn18966 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812125109.13690.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:51:09 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:51:09 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > I believe Teddy has some excess stash ;-) > > --Robin And, as I heard on Saturday, apparently still some of the yellow curtain mountain left over. *G* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 09:22:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12043 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CDOOL27531; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CDONn27556; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CDISn25888 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 07:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812131827.87180.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:18:27 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020807142238.52648.qmail@web40007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:18:27 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > --- N Kipar < > To be honest I don't know how the fee scale is worked out. I know some > events are done more for > love and for sponsers who are not so flush with cash. But for people like > the big charities, if > they want us to do high Elizabethan then the group cannot afford to stump up > the cash, so that > leaves the sponsor. Unfortunately none have yet decided to go for it. I still don't understand it dear. Why would the GROUP have to stump up any cash. I always thought that a costume is made/or bought by an individual, and it is their possession and if they want to make one they do, if they don't wnat to have one they don't. If none of you want to have one then you can't do the high society show because none of the members ave it. Simple? Logical? Do... maybe I am just naive. *laughs* I always thought re-enactment/living history is a HOBBY that is verrrry expensive and knacketring most of the time but oh so rewarding and wonderful when standing there and looking at 2000 other re-emactors from all periods and rooting for each other. *dreamy sigh* It was wonderful (but the organisation and the mud was horror) > Most of what we do is demonstrations for the public, which involves alot of > answering questions. Is there any other way??? > The hardest is the living history for school children where you have a group > of 15 or so and you > have to talk to them for 20 minutes. yep, oh I can believe that, but we don't do that because I refeuse to book such shows. Can't be bothered, I hav a ful time job!! We all want to ENJOY ourselves, and not actually WORK! It's a hobby.... public at an event is one thing, but talks for children? nah.... ;-) Kudos to those who do it! *applauses* The trouble is we have ten groups a > day. That kind of event > costs alot, but then it really just gets passed onto the schools, plus a bit. See above, that is not re-enactment or living history how I see it, that is work. There are a lot of people doing the history school work, Ben does it too but that is seperate from the re-enactemnt/living history society. One thing has nothing to do with the other (at least for us!) It is interesting to see that some people see the re-enactment more like work and get money from it, I met some other small groups like that. I guess it is just a different way of life. *S* (and I can't stand kids, hehehe) Nicole - with wig all weekend long and no probs *S* ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 10:38:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12679 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CEe7L03146; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CEe3n23909; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:40:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CEZQn21712 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812143525.97348.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:35:25 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Kirby Hall UK tea-party Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:35:25 +0100 (BST) Status: RO Well, well, I can only say that Jean, Teddy and Tom are LOVELY! Oh, and I did manage to meet Kate too, albeit briefly, in the courtyard during the day. Kate, I would love to get a copy of the photos of you and me if possible. I'm sorry that I didn't manage to meet Debbie or Freyalyn. Debbie, I looked for you on the traders' market and couldn't find you. Oh yes, and the promised pictures are right now downloading off the disks... *G* Nicole - enchanted with the fact that the h-cost members I met are even nicer in reality as they already are online! ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 12:31:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14093 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:31:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CGX6L15994; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CGX1n28644; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13307.mail.yahoo.com (web13307.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.43]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CGUIn26962 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:30:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020812163017.14216.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:30:17 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <3D684840EF5@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:30:17 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Teddy wrote: > > > > Not all of them, Nicole. Several of the 15th century ones I do, the > public can come in dressed however they want... some do in > costume. Some events seem to attract more costumed public > than others. Oh I didn't know! You live and learn. :-) > It's only organizations like stuck up old English Heretics who don't > let non-participants in if they're in costume.... hehehhe, down with EH I shout! The individual employees were so helpful and lovely and just as much victims of the non-existent organisation as we were. How did you get of, as stuck in the mud as we were? it was HORROR! If the re-enactors didn't tow away each other no one would have gone off. EH didn' do a thing during the day for the re-enactors camping and parking, wha a nightmare it was indeed. Anyway, otherwise Kirby was LOVELY! So many wonderful people, it was great, and I have loads of piccies of the grand paade from Sunday *G* Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 16:01:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15720 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:01:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CK34L06677; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CK31n28342; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes4.mail.lycos.com [209.185.123.96]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7CJuZn23673 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:56:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:56:15 -0000 To: h-costume@indra.com From: "Katie Lewis" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hijab (was forehead cloths) X-Sender-Ip: 149.169.40.60 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: katie_lewis@lycos.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:56:15 -0400 Status: RO On Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:48:04 Lee Thompson-Herbert wrote: > >In fact, I own a couple of those types of head coverings. The name I've >been told is an "al-amira" hijab. Often the overscarf is _also_ made of >stretchy fabric and is shaped sort of like a hood. I've got a couple with >fancy lace around the edges to match the skullcaps. > >The first few hijab on this page are amira-type headcoverings: >http://www.almuhajabat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?>Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=Almuhajabat&Category_Code=h Cool! Thanks for the info. I hadn't seen that style of hijab before, I wish that it was possible to tell from the site where these are popular, since styles seem to be somewhat regional. One of the things that facinates me about hijab is how varied the styles are, and how much and how rapidly they change. > >Similarly, the big shapeless (usually black) robes are chaador, but most >women in Saudi Arabia and Turkey wear jilbab (a loose overjacket) >instead. And as with all things fashion related, the terminology varies a lot. In India a jilbab is called a burqua (occasionaly called a "Saudi" or "Turkish" burqa), chador is the term used to describe a large dupatta (also called a chunni or oni) worn so as to cover the head and torso, which is not worn with a burqa. -Katie --- Oz: (pulls a animal craker out of box) Oh, look! Monkey! And he has a little hat. And little pants. The monkey's the only cookie animal that gets to wear clothes, you know that? So, I'm wondering, do the other cookie animals feel sorta ripped? Like, is the hippo going, 'Hey, man, where are *my* pants? I have my hippo dignity!' And you know the monkey's just, (with a French accent) 'I mock you with my monkey pants!' Willow: The monkey is French? Oz: All monkeys are French. You didn't know that? __________________________________________________________ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get a 25MB Inbox, POP3 Access, No Ads and No Taglines with LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 17:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16177 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:41:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CLhCL16666; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CLhBn26863; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:43:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta02bw.bigpond.com (mta02bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CLe6n25176 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bigpond.com ([144.135.24.69]) by mta02bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H0R2UM00.DV6 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:39:58 +1000 Received: from 203.54.114.84 ([203.54.114.84]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 2/2171844); 13 Aug 2002 07:39:53 Message-ID: <3D591B94.E1FAF3F1@bigpond.com> From: Claire Clarke Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> <00b601c24183$68889d20$03664ed5@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:40 -0700 Status: RO Melanie Wilson wrote: > >I have the opposite problem - small hands with very long fingers. On most > of the > > gloves that fit my hand the fingers stop not much past my first knuckle. > > Yes I have long fingers too :( What size are you ? > No idea, but my palm is about 7cm wide, and my handspan (eg from little finger tip to end of thumbnail when hand is spread wide) is 20cm. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Mon Aug 12 18:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16345 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:05:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7CM7FL18973; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CM7Dn10642; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7CM2Mn08009 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:02:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14745 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:04:12 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [h-cost] More Italian references Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:04:12 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO I don't speak Italian, but the person who sent me these does, so they must have something to do with clothing! Marcello Berti, Lana, panni e strumenti contabili nella Toscana basomedievale e della prima eta moderna (Lucca: Istituo storico lucchese, 2000). Sergio Tognetti, Un'industria di lusso al servizio del grande commercio: il mercato dei drappi serici e della setta nella Firenze del Quattrocento (Firenze: Olschki, 2002). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 00:45:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA22079 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:45:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D4lEL22657; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D4l2n10239; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D4aEn07674 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m69.in-tch.com [216.166.191.69]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7D4M0929031 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:42:08 -0600 Status: RO Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it myself! --Sue >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: "Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going to do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good results are difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew with a sink full of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent housekeeping chores, do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your sewing....When you sew, make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a little bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your fingers at intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... [If] you are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy your sewing as you should." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22180 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:12:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5E3L24026; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5E2n17781; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grunt6.ihug.co.nz (grunt6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.46]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5AGn16579 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from p1-nas10.akl.ihug.co.nz (michaela) [203.173.212.1] by grunt6.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17eTwc-0005C1-00; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:10:14 +1200 Message-ID: <001101c24287$b3afdb60$01d4adcb@michaela> From: "michaela" To: References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:10:10 +1200 Status: RO Yeah.. put on on a ball gown girls for your hubbies... never think that maybe a bloke would be sewing eh;) It's almost as charming as the little illustration in my Husky manual... all green and black print with big skirts... permission to copy it to my costuming journal? I know osme people will get a kick out of it;) michaela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it > myself! > --Sue > > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: > "Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going > to > do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good > results are > difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew with a > sink full > of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent housekeeping > chores, > do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your sewing....When you > sew, > make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a > little > bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your > fingers at > intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... > [If] you > are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband > will come > home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy > your > sewing as you should." > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:12:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22185 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5EQL24061; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5EPn17914; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [207.124.43.8]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5D6n17497 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (robin@localhost) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17386 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:03 -0500 From: Robin Netherton To: "h-costume@indra.com" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-Reply-To: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:03 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > put on.... Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as needed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:25:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22239 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:25:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5R2L24587; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5R1n21690; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (w002.z064000176.dfw-tx.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.176.2]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5Fgn18305 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from theforce [64.0.176.2] by mailhost.softwareinnovation.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5C52F03E0; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:14:45 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:14:45 -0500 Status: RO BWAH-HAH-HAA....!!! -When you sew, make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a little bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your fingers at intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... [If] you are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy your sewing as you should." VISITORS BETTER CALL AHEAD- i TEND TO TRY THINGS ON WHILE THEY ARE IN PROGRESS... SO is used to it... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22325 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:38:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5e7L25212; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5e6n25421; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5Uun22786 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:30:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from default.attbi.com ([24.245.40.251]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020813053050.VRSI22139.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@default.attbi.com> for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:30:50 +0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020813003450.02d63c00@mail.attbi.com> X-Sender: dannw@mail.attbi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020428222237.00c3a3c0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] flocked textiles Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:35:31 -0500 Status: RO Greetings, Does anyone know when flocked textiles were first used? Anyone have a ball-park date for them? Cheers, Danielle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 01:38:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22332 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D5eQL25237; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5ePn25535; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D5Zkn24032 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thelema.frys.com ([66.125.126.102]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0R00JOTOVL9S@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) In-reply-to: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4.3.1.2.20020812223434.00e3beb0@mail.frys.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:35:33 -0700 Status: RO That's right up there with mopping your kitchen floor while wearing high heels and stockings - same period too. >Thought y'all would enjoy reading this...I got quite a laugh out of it >myself! >--Sue > > >From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: >"Prepare yourself mentally for sewing. Think about what you are going >to >do...never approach sewing with a sigh or lackadaisically. Good >results are >difficult when indifference predominates. Never try to sew with a >sink full >of dirty dishes or beds unmade. When there are urgent housekeeping >chores, >do these first so your mind is free to enjoy your sewing....When you >sew, >make yourself as attractive as possible. Put on a clean dress. Keep a >little >bag full of French chalk near your sewing machine to dust your >fingers at >intervals. Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... >[If] you >are constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband >will come >home and you will not look neatly put together, you will not enjoy >your >sewing as you should." >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Kayta //// \\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) ((( <> )))) ) (((((( /----\ /---\)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 02:15:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28972 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D6H2L26602; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:17:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D6H0n04375; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:17:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (IDENT:mirapoint@msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk [212.67.96.148]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D69On02781 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pavilion (213-78-97-89.friaco.onetel.net.uk [213.78.97.89]) by msgdirector1.onetel.net.uk (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AJL27528; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:10:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <009501c24290$58c933a0$59614ed5@pavilion> From: "Melanie Wilson" To: References: <3D56D6DA.C088AD63@bigpond.com> <00a301c2410d$39acc740$03764ed5@pavilion> <3D57CC80.56C6DDAF@bigpond.com> <00b601c24183$68889d20$03664ed5@pavilion> <3D591B94.E1FAF3F1@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Long gloves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: "Melanie Wilson" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:12:04 +0100 Status: RO To know you size measure around the knuckles of the hand in inches Mel This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. 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The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the Company, unless specifically stated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 04:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15817 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:11:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D8D3L00686; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8D0n00245; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:13:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13306.mail.yahoo.com (web13306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.42]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D8Bin29822 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813081143.58199.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13306.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:11:43 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:11:43 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > > put on.... > > Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as > needed. > > --Robin Oooohhhh Robin, you shouldn't have said that, the mental image I have now! *grins* Demmit, I knew I was doing something wrong, that's why i don't like the actual sewing, I forgot to put my make-up on beforehand! ;-) Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 04:23:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16117 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D8P5L01056; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:25:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8P2n03112; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web40013.mail.yahoo.com (web40013.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.53]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D8Ffn00887 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813081535.30837.qmail@web40013.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.246.61] by web40013.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:15:35 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rachel?= Subject: Re: 'perfect elizabethan' was Re: [h-cost] Renaissance Faires in the U.S. To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020812131827.87180.qmail@web13307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:15:35 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- N Kipar wrote: > > I still don't understand it dear. Why would the GROUP have to stump up any > cash. I always thought that a costume is made/or bought by an individual, and > it is their possession and if they want to make one they do, if they don't wnat > to have one they don't. If none of you want to have one then you can't do the > high society show because none of the members ave it. Simple? Logical? Do... > maybe I am just naive. *laughs* I always thought re-enactment/living history is > a HOBBY that is verrrry expensive and knacketring most of the time but oh so > rewarding and wonderful when standing there and looking at 2000 other > re-emactors from all periods and rooting for each other. *dreamy sigh* It was > wonderful (but the organisation and the mud was horror) For the most part the costumes are bought, made, owned by the individual that wears them. However our group also has a stock pile of costumes that can be used my anyone. These are usually for new members who haven't got their complete kit ready yet. Becuase the posh stuff isn't used for anymore than one or two events at the most a year, they are subsidised by the group. That being said, the lucky person who gets to wear it usually also spends a small fortune on the accessories. Re-enactment/living history is a very expensive hobby. I've only been seriously doing it for a year and have spent nearly £1000 just getting an ordinary kit together. I'm still planning a supplies shopping trip for the fair in november. > Is there any other way??? Not that I know of, and would we do it even if there was - probably not! > > The hardest is the living history for school children where you have a group > > of 15 or so and you > > have to talk to them for 20 minutes. > > yep, oh I can believe that, but we don't do that because I refeuse to book such > shows. Can't be bothered, I hav a ful time job!! We all want to ENJOY > ourselves, and not actually WORK! It's a hobby.... public at an event is one > thing, but talks for children? nah.... ;-) Kudos to those who do it! > *applauses* There is some enjoyment to be gained out of it though. Just one interested group in the day can make it all seem worth while. To be honest its not the kids that are a problem, its the teachers. And you do get less of the silly questions. We have had one member of the public come up to a member and ask is her baby was real! Not to mention the food, we get asked if that is real all the time, usually when we are eating it! I'm sure you get the same though. > It is interesting to see > that some people see the re-enactment more like work and get money from it, I > met some other small groups like that. I guess it is just a different way of > life. *S* (and I can't stand kids, hehehe) I wish we got money from it. I do it becuase I love it, no other reason. I'm not in it for the money. If I want to make money there are alot more things that I can do! Rachel ===== Rachel Tudor Bibliography http://website.lineone.net/~reholliday/Tudor/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 04:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16776 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:48:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D8o2L01745; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:50:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D8o0n08686; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13303.mail.yahoo.com (web13303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.39]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D8e5n06637 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813084005.35681.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13303.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:40:05 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <20020813081535.30837.qmail@web40013.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Re-enactment, was Re: 'perfect elizabethan' Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:40:05 +0100 (BST) Status: RO --- Rachel wrote: > > anymore than one or two events at the most a year, they are subsidised by the > group. That being > said, the lucky person who gets to wear it usually also spends a small > fortune on the accessories. Ahhh, I see, that's interesting. We have a policy that everyone owns their own stuff though, because I found that often when something is not owned by an individual things are not looked after as well as they should. To prevent this happening (and me going mad trying to get some discipline) we don't have anything group owned. > Re-enactment/living history is a very expensive hobby. I've only been > seriously doing it for a > year and have spent nearly £1000 just getting an ordinary kit together. I'm > still planning a > supplies shopping trip for the fair in november. *laughs* I could buy a brand new car with what I spent on everything in the last three years. hehehe. I NEVER think about it because I'd go bonkers if I did. > There is some enjoyment to be gained out of it though. Just one interested > group in the day can > make it all seem worth while. Well, I only put up with public coz we have to *L* kidding. Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 05:13:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17480 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D9FDL02367; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9FAn21370; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7D9Ahn13637 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:10:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 32545 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 09:34:42 -0000 Received: from 66-81-56-118-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.56.118) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 09:34:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:00:24 -0700 Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: > > Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... I don't care how much it will help my sewing, I am not doing it! Lipstick gets in my mustache! Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 05:49:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18507 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:49:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D9p2L03471; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9p1n21514; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9fjn19202 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A50A296029E; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:44:42 -0500 Message-ID: <036101c242ad$385d28c0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Subject: [h-cost] Something to Watch Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:38:45 -0400 Status: RO Two weeks ago we went to Salem, Virginia to a competition for Drum Corps International (DCI). If you have never seen this it is a feast for costumers. Each Corp (they don't liked to be called a marching band) choose a theme, generally a time period and perform a show on a football field to music. Each Corp has to do this within a certain amount of minutes. The flag Corp of the group is generally the ones in costume. The corps travel all over the U.S. all summer long competing. Each Corp has about 100 members from ages 16?-21 y.o. We only saw one day of many competitions. We saw five of the top corps perform. Last week, all 60 corps meet in Madison, Wisconsin for the final competition . The final competition will air sometime within the month on PBS. So check your station as to when it airs. I had to email my station and found out the show air in Richmond, VA, Sept. 1. Remember the airing time will vary by your location. Now... I want to tell you about the Corp that won the competition in Salem, VA. They had a 1940s/WW2 time. IT WAS DYNAMIC!!! The girls' swing dresses were all different and perfect for the period. The guys costume were to die for! Then when the men were to go in the military in the performance, they stripped down to period *skivvies* and then dressed in uniforms. The bands name is the Cadets. Watch for them. They had the crowd hopping and clapping ... then their finale had you in tears. This group finished 1st place in Salem and for the one on TV, 3rd place. So they will be on of the last groups you will see on TV. Another Corp we saw was the Madison Scouts. This is the oldest drum & bugle Corp in the U.S. and originated from the Boy Scouts of America. Their band uniforms were so sharp and crisp. Their time was Conquestor. They used nice Spanish armor and helmets. The last performance we saw worth mentioning is a Corp that did a show about Greek Gods & Myths. The costumes were so-so. What amazed me was instead of twirling rifles like most corps, they twirled lighting bolt props. They also used the Greek column props as a great place to quick change their costumes. I can't wait to see what the other corps' costumes are like! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 05:49:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18526 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:49:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7D9pnL03502; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9pln21727; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7D9gYn19421 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 03:42:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A53B299029E; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:45:31 -0500 Message-ID: <036601c242ad$55f525e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:39:35 -0400 Status: RO Oh....... Stephen....... the baby must be up late!!!!!!!!! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 06:10:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19129 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:10:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DACML04020; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DACJn26251; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:12:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from latte.2xtreme.net (latte.2xtreme.net [66.250.18.10]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DA1rn23856 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:01:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9636 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0000 Received: from 66-81-56-118-modem.o1.com (HELO 2xtreme.net) (66.81.56.118) by latte.2xtreme.net with SMTP; 13 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0000 Message-ID: <3D58D6A8.EE7E8444@2xtreme.net> From: Stephen Bergdahl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> <036601c242ad$55f525e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 02:51:36 -0700 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > > Oh....... Stephen....... the baby must be up late!!!!!!!!! > No the baby is sound a sleep, but daddy is up late. What are you doing up at this hour? -- Stephen Bergdahl www.2xtreme.net/madly/Home_Page.htm Co-Chair Costume-Con 24 Bid www.2xtreme.net/madly/Costuming101/Costume-Con24/Frames.html Instructor for www.costumeclassroom.com Elizabethan Era Clothing and Underpinnings Online Classes in Historical and Modern Sewing _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 06:14:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19240 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DAGXL04175; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:16:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DAGWn27300; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from shockwave.systems.pipex.net (shockwave.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.9]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DA1pn23850 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bella (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by shockwave.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9502916000FD9 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:58:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001101c242b0$0d9f0d80$0101a8c0@bella> From: "Linda Walton" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:59:02 +0100 Status: RO > From a 1949 Singer sewing manual: > . . .When there are urgent housekeeping chores, do these first . . . > . . . constantly fearful that a visitor will drop in or your husband will come home . . . > . . . you will not enjoy your sewing as you should. Anyone would think it was some sort of Forbidden Pleasure ! Linda Walton, (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 06:39:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19890 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DAf3L04842; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:41:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DAf1n02438; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:41:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from costumegallery.com ([66.210.221.207]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DAYon01232 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:34:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from penny [68.57.138.39] by costumegallery.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A17B563026A; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:37:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c242b4$96582220$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> <036601c242ad$55f525e0$0400a8c0@centrl01.va.comcast.net> <3D58D6A8.EE7E8444@2xtreme.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Plugit.com Electroshield (www.plugit.com) for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:31:28 -0400 Status: RO I am heading to bed! I am a vampire... I sleep by day! As a member of little Raymond's fanclub.... His Daddy needs his sleep! Penny Ladnier Owner, The Costume Gallery & Costume Classroom http://www.costumegallery.com http://www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 07:15:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20919 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:15:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DBH3L06102; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DBH1n11483; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from web13308.mail.yahoo.com (web13308.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.44]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DBFun11207 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:15:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <20020813111556.2281.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.66.208.11] by web13308.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:15:56 BST From: =?iso-8859-1?q?N=20Kipar?= To: H-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: marquis@kipar.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:15:56 +0100 (BST) Status: RO May I proudly present, the promised photos: http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/h-cost.htm Nicole ===== Nicole Kipar M.A. Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 URL: http://www.kipar.org/ Email: marquis@kipar.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 07:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21590 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DBfLL06834; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DBfIn17163; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:41:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DBVkn14817 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D221B20A82 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 872C920A5C for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008501c242ba$26f11800$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:11:17 -0400 Status: RO I can't remember the last time I wore powder or lipstick. When they come up with a lipstick that doesn't dry out my lips, I might consider. Mascara, now that's another story. LOVE mascara. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) > > On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > Put on a clean dress ... Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick > > put on.... > > Yeah, right. I usually sew in my underwear (or chemise) so I can try on as > needed. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 08:15:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22662 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DCH3L08157; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DCH0n26235; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:17:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtp2.suscom.net (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DC5cn23403 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:05:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (smtp.suscom.net [64.78.119.252]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AE220ABE for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yourczpl0pp1h9 (ip106.96.susc.suscom.net [64.78.96.106]) by smtp2.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 883DF20ABD for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012001c242be$e21e2100$6a604e40@yourczpl0pp1h9> From: "Dianne and Greg Stucki" To: References: <20020813111556.2281.qmail@web13308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS new-20020517 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:09 -0400 Status: RO Wonderful! Thank you Nicole! Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Kipar" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! > May I proudly present, the promised photos: > > http://arts-humanities.cant.ac.uk/Temp/Kirby/h-cost.htm > > Nicole > > ===== > Nicole Kipar M.A. > Leader - L'Age d'Or & Kirke's Lambs > Baroque Living History Society 1660-1715 > URL: http://www.kipar.org/ > Email: marquis@kipar.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28243 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:18:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDK4L10937; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDK1n13438; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DD9Qn10472 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:09:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id 6.73.240b6c0c (4246) for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10568 Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:09:16 EDT Status: RO --part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 12:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: > Put on a clean dress I used to do this, even though I'm a man, but now I just sew nude. --part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/13/2002 12:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes:


Put on a clean dress


I used to do this, even though I'm a man, but now I just sew nude. --part1_73.240b6c0c.2a8a5efc_boundary-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:18:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28259 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:18:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDKWL10975; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDKUn13602; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:eP7R89jHyr8VJ6nRBJeJ2NvRiOfgN5h9@jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDJIn13234 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:19:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [209.249.181.84] (pool181-84.patriot.net [209.249.181.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7DDJFNa009353 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:19:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20020812223434.00e3beb0@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20020812223434.00e3beb0@mail.frys.com> To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:19:47 -0400 Status: RO Kayta wrote, >That's right up there with mopping your kitchen floor while wearing >high heels and stockings - same period too. Sounds like a fetish activity. :-) Platform shoes would keep you up out of the water. I wear clogs (the wood & leather ones from the 1970s) for mopping. There's a great photo of a woman at a sewing machine, topless and wearing a crinoline or tutu or something like that. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:31:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28632 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:31:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDX4L11611; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDX1n17378; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDNgn14569 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:23:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL8YOV7P34004TKK@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:21:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL91G6B7SE005RE3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:29:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:24:29 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:44 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:34 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your favourite sewing/needlework? In-reply-to: <200208081705.g78H5AK28644@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <465167C3EBF@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO "Sarah Lorraine" said: > people always are quick to insist that I should do this for a > living... Let me just say to anyone out there reading this who makes > costumes for a living that I have nothing but admiration for you. :) Same here. I get people telling me I sould sew/make costumes for a living all the time and I know I never could (appart from the issue of better costumers than I not being able to make ends meet on what they earn making costumes, there's the fact that I'd simply stop enjoying it if I *had* to do it! Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28985 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDjAL12280; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDj8n21392; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:45:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mhub.AXP.MDX.AC.UK (mhub.axp.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.6.11]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDWLn17180 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:32:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mdx.ac.uk by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) id <01KL93GBZSN4001J89@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (mdx-bg-staff2.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.53.4]) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V6.1-1 #38636) with ESMTP id <01KL91B95YLG005RE3@mdx.ac.uk> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:25:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from MDX-BG-STAFF2/SpoolDir by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:20:31 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MDX-BG-STAFF2 (Mercury 1.44); Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:36 +0000 Received: from bg-lib-01157 (158.94.53.72) by mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:32 +0000 From: Teddy Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I bought at the Royal Opera costume sale!! In-reply-to: <200208081705.g78H5AK28644@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <46504E172BB@mdx-bg-staff2.nw.mdx.ac.uk> Organization: Middlesex University MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-Comment: Middlesex University has scanned this message for viruses. Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: teddy1@mdx.ac.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:19:32 +0000 (GMT) Status: RO Drea Leed wrote: > Teddy, > > I hate you. Teddy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29333 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDwNL13126; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDwLn25859; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDqsn23991 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from in-tch.com (msla-r1a1m23.in-tch.com [216.166.191.23]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7DDcd902968 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3D591073.71A52ECF@in-tch.com> From: Sue Clemenger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Montage;Touch America} (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Rules for Sewing (1949) References: <3D588E20.F7732BE9@in-tch.com> <3D58CAA8.2A1EEB5F@2xtreme.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com X-Reply-To: mooncat@in-tch.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:11 -0600 Status: RO Fine, *make* me spit cereal all over the monitor screen this morning! --Sue, ROTFLMAO.... Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > > Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > > > Have your hair in order, powder and lipstick put on.... > > I don't care how much it will help my sewing, I am not doing it! > Lipstick gets in my mustache! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-admin@indra.com Tue Aug 13 09:56:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: from server.indra.com (server.indra.com [204.144.142.2]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29332 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by server.indra.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7DDw6L13081; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost.indra.com [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7DDw2n25717; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:58:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from m2.jersey.juno.com (m2.jersey.juno.com [64.136.22.65]) by net.indra.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with SMTP id g7DDqXn23837 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:52:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"VlQqLyNLY6dl7D8HNF4VCqftSrgCaX8psmfZUIpzjxikt/z+WkWFVQ=="> Received: (from seamstrix@juno.com) by m2.jersey.juno.com (jqueuemail) id G94L8J99; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:51:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] UK H-Cost member photos from Kirby are up! Message-ID: <20020813.085144.-871145.0.Seamstrix@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: seamstrix@juno.com Sender: h-costume-admin@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-admin@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: h-costume@indra.com List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Re-creating period costume, from the Bronzeage to the mid-20th Century List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:51:44 -0500 Status: RO Yippeee! Hello everyone! It's so nice to put faces to names. Teddy, you look smashing in your new surcoat! Karen ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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